:00:24. > :00:29.Hello and welcome to the One Show with Alex Jones. And Matt Baker.
:00:29. > :00:34.Two Michaels on the grit tonight, one a cockney comedian about to
:00:34. > :00:41.start a best-selling toe. And once responsible for this song, it is
:00:41. > :00:48.Mickey Flanagan and Mick Fleetwood! What a night, good to see both!
:00:48. > :00:55.Nice to have you on. First of all, congratulations, 35 years since
:00:55. > :01:00.Rumours was released. I know! good. Did you think you would go on
:01:00. > :01:06.for 35 years? I do not think we ever thought about it in terms of
:01:06. > :01:09.that, but everyone in this band, people who have passed through
:01:09. > :01:15.Fleetwood Mac, there has never been anyone I would not have imagined
:01:15. > :01:20.playing somewhere, for nothing, you know. But happily we have done
:01:20. > :01:27.really well and sustained something which we had no idea could possibly
:01:27. > :01:32.last this long. So many incredible songs, and you have told one of the
:01:32. > :01:41.stories, you will tell us later. You are a big fan, and you? He was
:01:41. > :01:49.singing when you cavemen! I am available after the tour! The songs,
:01:49. > :01:55.you hear them all the time. You do! I think I got it on tape, then on
:01:55. > :02:01.final, seedy, and I'm going to download it. And the one after I
:02:01. > :02:05.pass away will be another formula. That is at Mr Estyn point, it is
:02:05. > :02:15.great for you, all these different format. -- that is an interesting
:02:15. > :02:22.
:02:22. > :02:25.Seen busking on Baker Street, Mick Fleetwood, no. It is a good thing,
:02:25. > :02:29.and the Last Wave, Digital was not so good for us musicians, because
:02:29. > :02:34.everyone gave everything away for nothing. That was not so good, but
:02:34. > :02:40.it is calming down, and now we get paid. When it first started, not a
:02:40. > :02:50.good thing. With Easter few can get your hands on, there is a very
:02:50. > :02:51.
:02:51. > :02:58.famous front cover, and we had a You cannot actually tell the
:02:58. > :03:04.difference! I think somebody got a little larger, well, two things!
:03:04. > :03:12.You look exactly the same. He is the pony tail attached to the
:03:12. > :03:18.beard? The balls are there as well. How coincidental, I had no idea you
:03:18. > :03:22.were doing this. If we can do it, so can you at home, send in your
:03:22. > :03:30.version of the front cover and we Washoe make them a little later.
:03:30. > :03:33.is a family show! Today we found that the preferred route for the
:03:33. > :03:39.northern extension of the new high- speed railway. Passengers will not
:03:39. > :03:43.be buying tickets until 2033, so why is it going to take so long?
:03:43. > :03:47.Back in Severn another major infrastructure project was given
:03:47. > :03:50.the go ahead, Crossrail, and Lucy has taken a trip to see how it is
:03:50. > :03:55.progressing. This Friday the tallest building in
:03:55. > :03:59.the European Union, the Shard, opens to the public. But I am not
:03:59. > :04:09.going up, I am going in the opposite direction, descending 40
:04:09. > :04:09.
:04:09. > :04:14.metres below street level. I'm going to meet Elizabeth, she weighs
:04:14. > :04:18.tonnes and cost every penny. Elizabeth is one of eight vast
:04:18. > :04:26.tunnel boring machines which are currently worming their way and the
:04:26. > :04:30.London's tightly packed streets, Suez and existing Tubelines. This
:04:30. > :04:34.is Crossrail, the new 73 miles of railway from Essex and out towards
:04:34. > :04:38.Kent, right across central London and out to Berkshire and
:04:39. > :04:43.Buckinghamshire. It is the largest construction project in Europe. In
:04:43. > :04:50.all, 13 miles of new tunnels are being excavated 24 hours a day,
:04:50. > :04:54.seven days a week. And this is what is being excavated, London earth,
:04:54. > :05:02.from 40 metres below street level. This is millions of years old,
:05:02. > :05:06.never been touched. So I have met Elizabeth, and this is Peter,
:05:06. > :05:10.Crossrail's project manager at his tunnelling site. How on earth did
:05:10. > :05:16.you get her down here in the first place? Well, Elizabeth comes in
:05:16. > :05:21.sections. And they are all lowered down and then put together. It is
:05:21. > :05:25.quite an undertaking. It is a significant amount of work, and as
:05:25. > :05:32.long as you plan added, it is as safe as putting a train set
:05:32. > :05:36.together. It is a very big Train Set! You know boys and their toys.
:05:36. > :05:40.These machines represent the pinnacle of what we currently know,
:05:40. > :05:44.these are factories and the ground, completely self-contained, and you
:05:44. > :05:49.have got a big cutting disc at the front which removes the ground.
:05:49. > :05:54.That Mark is then taken all the way to the back of the machine and away.
:05:54. > :06:00.And the machine then a lift siege segment which forms around to line
:06:00. > :06:04.the tunnel. Each segment is two and a half tons, so the entire Ring is
:06:04. > :06:08.25 tons in weight, so clearly, mechanically, that is the only way
:06:08. > :06:13.you can erect these things. How far as the tunnelling? Where are you
:06:13. > :06:18.going to end up? We plan for about 90 metres per week, and our first
:06:18. > :06:22.stop is the new station at Canary Wharf, which is just over 1.2
:06:22. > :06:26.kilometres from where we are. you do not end up at Canary Wharf,
:06:27. > :06:33.somebody has made a mistake. will not end up anywhere else. We
:06:33. > :06:38.want to get there by the spring of this year. To accommodate this
:06:39. > :06:44.cavernous new station at Canary Wharf, 100 million litres of water
:06:44. > :06:49.have been removed from the dock. Now, that is the equivalent to 40
:06:49. > :06:55.Olympic a size swimming pools. Why is it that you think we need
:06:55. > :07:00.Crossrail? London as a city is still forecast to grow, by another
:07:00. > :07:04.700,000 people over the next 10 years. It will enable 200 million
:07:04. > :07:09.people per year to travel on the Underground, one million more
:07:09. > :07:13.people to be able to travel into London in less than 45 minutes. It
:07:13. > :07:16.creates huge regeneration opportunities as London starts to
:07:16. > :07:20.move out from the centre. What about for the millions of people
:07:20. > :07:25.who do not live in London thinking, oh, here we go again, another
:07:25. > :07:29.London project? I understand the argument, but London is the
:07:29. > :07:35.powerhouse of the UK economy. This time last year we employed 2000,
:07:35. > :07:38.today it is 7,000, next year it is 14,000. It is the way to create
:07:38. > :07:43.infrastructure creating growth, but at the same time it creates new
:07:43. > :07:46.jobs for people to actually work on. We are looking to make sure we give
:07:46. > :07:51.every encouragement to small and medium-sized business to provide
:07:51. > :07:53.services do as, too. So if you're not in London, you could be in
:07:54. > :07:58.Wales or Yorkshire, there are still opportunities to benefit from
:07:58. > :08:03.Crossrail. I can tell you, as a Welshman, businesses in Wales are
:08:03. > :08:08.so blind us, and that is true of Scotland, the North, and the
:08:08. > :08:12.Midlands, and will continue to see that grow. Obviously, that is going
:08:12. > :08:18.to change the place that you grow up, as an East End lad. It has
:08:18. > :08:22.changed enough already, it is never-ending. The East End just
:08:22. > :08:26.used to be working class people, and now you go there, and all walks
:08:26. > :08:33.of life come to the East End. I saw a man in top hat and flip-flops the
:08:33. > :08:38.other day. A great source of material, obviously, growing up
:08:38. > :08:42.there. When I was growing up there, it was broken, still largely
:08:42. > :08:48.damaged from the war, so we would play on the bomb debris and that.
:08:48. > :08:52.At least your parents the way you were! It has got more developed,
:08:52. > :08:57.and with every new thing, like a train station, you go, can displace
:08:57. > :09:01.get any busier? Shoreditch is unbelievable at the moment.
:09:01. > :09:08.were nodding, you knew the East End back in the day. Absolutely, we
:09:08. > :09:15.played many a time around those areas, and you are right, it has
:09:15. > :09:18.totally changed, and it is changing. If you go out in Shoreditch, any
:09:18. > :09:22.night of the week now, it is like being in the West End, you know,
:09:22. > :09:25.bars and restaurants. Very different to the place that you
:09:26. > :09:32.grew up, because you and your mates, you did not have huge ambitions at
:09:32. > :09:41.school. Ambitions?! The most ambitious kid in our class,
:09:41. > :09:48.he wanted to drive a van. He stood out flash! At the careers officer,
:09:48. > :09:56.I'm going to drive a van! He will never drive a van! No kid from this
:09:56. > :10:06.school has ever! Gone on to drive a van. His school is here to produce
:10:06. > :10:08.
:10:08. > :10:12.the people who carry the staff to You did not go on to drive a van,
:10:12. > :10:18.but he did loads of different stuff before taking to the stage. It was
:10:18. > :10:24.quite late. My first job was actually carrying fish to the van.
:10:24. > :10:30.So I did literally carry fish to the van! That was my job, from the
:10:30. > :10:34.car park to the van. So I got that far, I cracked it there, and I did
:10:34. > :10:38.loads... When I left the fish market, I went to live in America,
:10:38. > :10:43.then I came back and was a window- cleaner, painter and decorator. I
:10:43. > :10:48.had a little phase at teaching, don't want to talk about it! Then I
:10:48. > :10:53.moved on, I have made furniture for a number of years, in Shoreditch,
:10:53. > :11:00.back in the day, everybody made furniture, clothing. Do you still
:11:00. > :11:05.keep your hand in with furniture- making? Not really, no! No. I would
:11:05. > :11:10.like to! I said to my wife, if I do get a hobby, it would be to go back
:11:10. > :11:14.and make furniture, but it is not going to happen. It is never going
:11:14. > :11:21.to happen! One of your trades is your cockney walk, and in case
:11:21. > :11:27.you're not sure what that means, he is to explain it. Two walks, a bit
:11:27. > :11:33.casual, yeah, nothing going on. And a slightly quicker one. I cannot
:11:34. > :11:40.hang a bout, I have got to sign on and get back to work! I am Double
:11:40. > :11:44.Dizzy! Well, this is the thing, speaking of work, Carrie Grant went
:11:44. > :11:50.back to Billingsgate Market, where we saw that lovely photo, just to
:11:50. > :11:57.see what you're all to work pars remember of you. -- Your old work
:11:57. > :12:02.pass. Anyone know this fella? Mickey Flanagan. Yeah, his dad was
:12:02. > :12:12.a lovely bloke. Do you remember him working here? Yeah, I remember him.
:12:12. > :12:16.
:12:16. > :12:23.Can you do is walk? No! A flash What was he like? Like that, very
:12:23. > :12:31.smiley. A nice little character. started work late, he was easy to
:12:31. > :12:39.spot. His dad is funnier than him. If you are going to be stuck on a
:12:39. > :12:47.desert island, he would keep you going. I used to drink with Micky!
:12:47. > :12:57.Can you do is walk? Of course I can, I taught him how to do it! How are
:12:57. > :13:02.
:13:02. > :13:09.you doing, son? One of our own, So you remember them. I remember
:13:09. > :13:16.Jimmy really well, he lent me his flat one weekend. Hello! Apparently,
:13:16. > :13:21.your dad is funnier. He claims he is funnier. It would be quite good
:13:21. > :13:27.to send him out, walk out to an empty room afterwards. He is quite
:13:27. > :13:31.funny. It is called back in the game, Yorkshire, give us an idea.
:13:31. > :13:41.It is probably been in the whole story up to date, because I talked
:13:41. > :13:41.
:13:41. > :13:46.a lot about the past, this is more about having success and living a
:13:46. > :13:53.very grown-up life that I now have, I have a little boy. They bring a
:13:53. > :13:57.lot of material, youngsters. Standing on stage, you have got the
:13:57. > :14:02.ability to go backwards in time, he is standing with his clothes on, I
:14:02. > :14:07.say, go and Peugeot trainers on, and he comes back in the nude. I
:14:08. > :14:15.say to him, why are you in the nude? He said, well, I had a poo.
:14:15. > :14:18.There we are! Is it true that he will not be working Mondays? We see
:14:18. > :14:22.you're not keen on the beginning of the week. It has been my campaign
:14:22. > :14:26.ever since I can remember to get the whole country not to work on a
:14:26. > :14:30.Monday. I have not been very successful, but I will be promoting
:14:30. > :14:37.it. It is interesting that we have been saying for years, nobody likes
:14:37. > :14:43.Monday, so why are we going in? It doesn't make sense. It never works
:14:43. > :14:53.for me. Doesn't four and three sound more sensible? You could get
:14:53. > :14:55.
:14:55. > :15:00.This is tough for me to be here today. I'm really struggling. I had
:15:00. > :15:07.to leave the pub at 10pm last night, because that's how professional I
:15:07. > :15:12.am. Good lad. Micky's tour Back In The Game starts next month. Today,
:15:12. > :15:15.one of the best selling albums of all time is being re-released in a
:15:15. > :15:21.deluxe new format. One of the most familiar tracks on it has been
:15:21. > :15:31.played in the bedroom of every aspiring bass guitarist since it
:15:31. > :15:34.
:15:34. > :15:39.was first released in 1977. Matt Is that the world's most
:15:39. > :15:43.recognisable bass line? It comes from the song The Chain from the
:15:43. > :15:48.album Rumours by Fleetwood Mac and yet, The Chain was never released
:15:48. > :15:53.as a single and that isn't even the beginning of the song.
:15:53. > :15:59.At the time the song was recorded, the band's line up was Christine
:15:59. > :16:04.and John, Mick, Stevie nicks and Lindsay buckham. The chain is one
:16:04. > :16:10.of the only Fleetwood Mac songs credited to the whole band.
:16:10. > :16:17.chain refers specifically to keeping, you know, every link of
:16:17. > :16:21.the effort we made to stay together as a band. During recording,
:16:21. > :16:26.Fleetwood Mac were going through an extremely troubled time and
:16:27. > :16:32.relationships were strained. It's almost like a prayer. It really was
:16:32. > :16:39.saying, please let this still be OK. You can't think of a better song to
:16:39. > :16:44.describe the survival of Fleetwood Mac. The song was worked on with
:16:44. > :16:51.Christine and then John and myself. There were bits and pieces, concept
:16:51. > :16:57.not quite knowing what was going on. A previous song by Christine McSree,
:16:57. > :17:02.keep me there, would provide the rhythm and structure. It was put on
:17:02. > :17:08.the back burner. We couldn't figure out really what to do with it.
:17:08. > :17:13.Stevie said, let me throw the meat of the story together. So Stevie
:17:13. > :17:17.Nicks provided the majority of the lyrics. Her first version was a
:17:17. > :17:22.very different song. With some reworking from Christine it was
:17:22. > :17:26.almost there. # If you don't love me now... #
:17:26. > :17:30.The song wasn't yet complete. It needed an intro. That would come
:17:30. > :17:35.from a song Buckingham and Nicks released before they joined
:17:35. > :17:45.Fleetwood Mac. Then suddenly it just went bingo
:17:45. > :17:45.
:17:45. > :17:55.and it happened. Can you remember the time you first heard... John's
:17:55. > :17:56.
:17:56. > :18:01.baseline? No, I can't. But boy was it a John McVee special. John is a
:18:01. > :18:08.melodic player. If you care to actually listen to it, the bass on
:18:08. > :18:11.a lot of stuff and what he's doing on the bass is such a contribution
:18:11. > :18:17.melodically to the structure of these songs. You go, like, who was
:18:17. > :18:20.that guy? How do you feel about the connection to motor sports. It
:18:20. > :18:26.means that a lot of people are only familiar with the last third of
:18:26. > :18:29.what is a terrific song? You can't help but love it. I mean, it's just
:18:29. > :18:33.Parliament of something that happened -- part of something that
:18:33. > :18:38.happened and you can go, accept it like a lot of things you accept
:18:38. > :18:41.willingly. We would be shocked if we didn't play that in a concert.
:18:41. > :18:45.That would be one of the ones that you have to do it. You don't get
:18:45. > :18:55.tired of playing that? No, love it. Would you fancy playing it now?
:18:55. > :18:55.
:18:55. > :19:46.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 50 seconds
:19:46. > :19:52.my God. Yes, sure. If you fancy it. APPLAUSE
:19:52. > :19:58.That was fantastic. Wasn't that great! We have to say
:19:58. > :20:03.that Matt surprised you with that, didn't he? Totally. They did great.
:20:03. > :20:08.They were good. I think they'll have to get the gig. Fantastic.
:20:08. > :20:11.was a surprise for you but for Matt he had been practising for six
:20:12. > :20:16.months. The Chain has become famously associated with Formula
:20:16. > :20:21.One. Is it true that next week you're doing a Top Gear lap? I am.
:20:21. > :20:26.Excited about that? I'm very excited about it. I've been
:20:26. > :20:30.boasting to the lads that run the show that I'm fairly conversant
:20:30. > :20:34.with driving fast, which was probably a really foolish thing to
:20:34. > :20:39.say, because now, for sure, I'm going to look like an idiot. You'll
:20:39. > :20:43.be giving it some steam. It's going to be fun. As well as The Chain, so
:20:43. > :20:51.many incredible songs. Let's remind ourselves of a few of them.
:20:51. > :20:55.# You can go your own way # Go your own way
:20:55. > :21:02.# Don't stop thinking about tomorrow
:21:02. > :21:10.# Don't stop, it'll soon be here # Players only love you when
:21:10. > :21:15.they're playing # APPLAUSE
:21:15. > :21:19.Classic tracks there, but the whole album was produced when there was
:21:19. > :21:25.some strains going on amongst the band, relationships were very
:21:25. > :21:30.difficult and very tense at that time. This is true. Unbelievable,
:21:30. > :21:33.and now, because we're on the road April 4th, we start in America.
:21:33. > :21:38.This package came out and it wasn't planned to go together, but it's
:21:38. > :21:43.great that it has morphed it's way together. We're get reminded by
:21:43. > :21:48.questions such as that that it was a personal journey that's not hard
:21:48. > :21:52.now, but it's interesting looking back and getding into the whole
:21:52. > :21:56.dialogue of what the hell was really going on. It was a disaster.
:21:56. > :22:01.We were all desperately unhappy. But the one thing that never
:22:01. > :22:06.happened, we never discussed breaking up, because what we were
:22:06. > :22:09.doing, we were so involved in Fleetwood Mac and the music, that
:22:09. > :22:14.the chemistry was that important to all of us, that we got through it.
:22:14. > :22:19.That was really, looking back on it, an absolute miracle. It was pretty
:22:19. > :22:22.grim. A lot of messages in the songs. All of them. If you had to
:22:22. > :22:28.find new meaning for that, or when you start playing does it take you
:22:28. > :22:32.back to those times? I'm spared that because I doesn't write the
:22:32. > :22:36.songs. My relationship with my then-wife Jennie had broken up.
:22:36. > :22:42.Five of us were in the same boat. I was just spared that I didn't have
:22:42. > :22:46.to write songs and walk on stages and be personal. So we really came
:22:46. > :22:54.up with a mutant formula, which is really what it was, when we look
:22:54. > :23:00.back, to handle that. Because underneath it all, because all the
:23:00. > :23:05."rumours" of they don't really like each other. We adore each other
:23:05. > :23:09.except often have not been able to be together. It's a very different
:23:09. > :23:13.equation from some corporate hate affair. It's a love affair really.
:23:13. > :23:19.Touring America. Are you touring Britain? We are, yeah. Absolutely.
:23:20. > :23:23.Good news. Great. I think that's announced as we sit. We are coming
:23:23. > :23:26.and working extensively all over Europe and for sure here. Will you
:23:26. > :23:34.use separate cars and things like that? We share very nicely these
:23:34. > :23:39.days. All right. It's 200 years today since Mr Darcey first set
:23:39. > :23:44.hearts fluttering for readers of Pride And Prejudice. But there was
:23:44. > :23:50.another book in Jane Austen's house that may have held the recipe for
:23:50. > :23:54.her success.. Arthur Smith discovered.
:23:54. > :23:58.Chawton in rural Hampshire was home to one of England's greatest
:23:58. > :24:04.novelists, Jane Austin. I've come to look at one of her mostsprielzed
:24:04. > :24:09.books, not a first edition of -- most prized books, not a first
:24:09. > :24:15.edition of Pride And Prejudice but the Austin household recipe book.
:24:15. > :24:20.This is the first book of recipes that supplied the Austin dining
:24:20. > :24:28.table. It contains a few handy potions too. There's press pis here
:24:28. > :24:32.for cold sous, widgeon, pickling, brewing and a remedy for if you've
:24:32. > :24:36.been bitten by a mad dog. This is clearly a work -- the work of
:24:36. > :24:40.someone who cared for the people she lived with. The compiler of the
:24:40. > :24:46.book is Marge why Lloyd, photographed here, Jane regarded
:24:46. > :24:52.her as a big sister. When Marjah came to stay with the family and
:24:52. > :24:56.then when they moved into their permanent residence in 1809, Marjah
:24:56. > :25:00.dn martha moved in with them. She was also an unmarried woman. They
:25:00. > :25:05.were all clubbing together to help each other out. Unmarried women in
:25:05. > :25:09.this period had a hard time if they weren't well off. A lot of people
:25:09. > :25:14.think that Jane Austin was well off. But actually she came from a pretty
:25:15. > :25:22.poor background. Two unmarried women living together
:25:22. > :25:30.without much money in the 1800s, what can I expect for dinner? I've
:25:30. > :25:35.come to the pump rooms in Bath. And tonight, head chef Mark is cooking
:25:35. > :25:39.us a meal direct from the Austin family recipe book. We have a white
:25:40. > :25:44.soup, which sounds very basic. It's chicken stock, almonds, hard boiled
:25:44. > :25:49.egg yokes and some cream. That's it. Just all blended together. What's
:25:49. > :25:55.the main course? It's rump steak, potatoes, salt and pepper and beef
:25:55. > :25:59.stock, like a modern day hot pot. Pudding? A straightforward dessert.
:25:59. > :26:03.It's boiled gooz briz and sugar and water. You have passed those
:26:03. > :26:08.through a sieve and put them in a tart case and bake it off. What do
:26:08. > :26:12.you think modern diners would make of this meal? I think they would be
:26:12. > :26:17.a little bit disappointed with the lack of variety and the lack of
:26:17. > :26:20.ingredients. I don't think it would go done too well in the resstraubts.
:26:20. > :26:25.-- restaurant. Are you suggesting I'm not going to enjoy it? Take
:26:25. > :26:31.yourself back to the time and I think you'll enjoy it. Jane would
:26:31. > :26:34.normally eat her main meal at 4pm or 5pm with her mother, sister and
:26:34. > :26:39.Martha. But it wasn't silver service. All the courses were
:26:39. > :26:43.served at once. One course would have consisted of many different
:26:43. > :26:48.dishes, placed around quite a large table, if you were having a dinner
:26:48. > :26:52.party. They would be eating sweet dishes alongside the savoury.
:26:52. > :26:58.shall follow convention and start with the starter. Here we r, the
:26:58. > :27:02.white soup. Oh, it's quite a strong taste. It's quite meaty. Yes, a
:27:02. > :27:06.meaty, woody quality. How do we know this is a dish that Jane would
:27:06. > :27:11.have eaten. This is written down in the cookery book. White soup was a
:27:11. > :27:18.popular dish at the time. It's actually mentioned in Pride And
:27:18. > :27:25.Prejudice. Next it's Marjah's beef recipe. Could do with some brown
:27:25. > :27:33.sauce maybe. A good age ektive is it's hearty fayer. Yes. Not exactly
:27:33. > :27:38.sweet but sugar cost a great deal. They did have sugar but it was very
:27:38. > :27:42.expensive. That was something that the rich had. Gooseberry tart, tart
:27:42. > :27:49.and nice. Jane Austen died in 1817 aged just
:27:49. > :27:53.41. She is one of the great writers of English literature and she
:27:53. > :27:57.provided a vibrant portrait of the society she lived in. But we know
:27:57. > :28:06.relatively little about her, though today, I have learned she did enjoy
:28:06. > :28:09.a hearty male. -- meal.
:28:10. > :28:18.An exhibition called The Story of Pride and Prejudice has opened at
:28:18. > :28:22.Jane's home at Chawton in Hampshire. Earlier we asked you to recreate
:28:22. > :28:30.the Rumours album cover. There's the rudge nal and the first is this.
:28:31. > :28:40.Very good alley and many. Here's the second one. This is Chris and
:28:40. > :28:46.gentlemen neen. That's a good -- Janine. And your
:28:46. > :28:49.original balls are here. Here they are. I'm going to hold