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:00:16. > :00:21.Hello and welcome to the One Show with Matt Baker and Alex Jones.

:00:21. > :00:25.Tonight's guest found his Dorothy. He also found his Nancy, his Joseph

:00:25. > :00:27.and his Maria. Please welcome the man who's now searching for Jesus.

:00:27. > :00:35.It's Andrew Lloyd Webber. APPLAUSE

:00:35. > :00:40.Good to see you. Nice to see you. The latest project

:00:41. > :00:46.is searching for Jesus Christ Superstar, when these shows are on,

:00:46. > :00:50.your Catchphrase is usually "You can be Nancy or Maria." But it

:00:51. > :00:56.could be inappropriate to say "You could be Jesus. It could be. The

:00:56. > :01:00.twist for this one is that it's not for the theatre, it's for a rock

:01:00. > :01:03.arena tour. We're looking for somebody who can be a great rock

:01:03. > :01:07.tenor with fantastic charisma of course. It's a slightly different

:01:07. > :01:13.show, in many ways. What I really want is for it to be completely

:01:13. > :01:15.live on television. I think it would be fantastic to do away with

:01:16. > :01:20.pre-recorded tracks. In my real dream is to have a fantastic rock

:01:20. > :01:25.band on the show, which would be great. Indeed. They have to learn

:01:25. > :01:29.so many songs. With these reality shows what people don't realise, is

:01:29. > :01:33.that everybody has to know so much, because, and we're sort of really

:01:33. > :01:38.going to go for it and make them really perform. You've said the

:01:38. > :01:41.public always pick the right person. They have done so far. It's pretty

:01:41. > :01:45.extraordinary. Of the shows, four of the girls are starring in the

:01:45. > :01:53.West End at the moment in shows, three of them I have nothing to do

:01:53. > :01:57.with, one, of course, is the lead in, well well, Les Mis movie. It's

:01:57. > :02:02.extraordinary. There's so much going on at the moment. You don't

:02:02. > :02:06.know what on earth you're talking about. One of the things we are

:02:06. > :02:12.going to discuss is Love Never Dies, which we will go onto in a little

:02:12. > :02:14.while. First when you hear the term "whiplash" what does it mean to you,

:02:14. > :02:18.a serious neck injury or compensation?

:02:18. > :02:24.Have you had a road accident that wasn't your fault? You could be

:02:24. > :02:30.eligible for compensation. 1500 people every day put in

:02:30. > :02:34.compensation claims for whiplash. 1500 people a day?! What that does

:02:34. > :02:42.is add approximately �90 onto your and my insurance premiums every

:02:42. > :02:46.year. They've dubbed the UK the whiplash capital of Europe.

:02:46. > :02:53.Whiplash is a term to describe a neck injury caused by a sudden

:02:53. > :02:59.movement of the head where the ten dons and ligaments are damaged. In

:02:59. > :03:02.severe case it's can cause chronic pain and persistent headaches.

:03:02. > :03:07.Injury claims for whiplash are up by a third in the last three years,

:03:07. > :03:13.insurers say the average payout for a personal injury claim is �4,500.

:03:13. > :03:16.But accident rates are falling overall and experts agree something

:03:16. > :03:20.is wrong. Accident rates are going down. Seats are getting much better.

:03:20. > :03:24.It's not engineering. It's not road use. There's something wrong with

:03:25. > :03:27.the system. According it a recent survey, doctors have seen a sharp

:03:28. > :03:32.rise in patients attempting to make fraudulent claims for car accident

:03:32. > :03:37.injuries. In the world of whiplash, it's not just the dumbies that

:03:37. > :03:41.aren't real, but there are rumblings, the tide's turning. Lee

:03:41. > :03:46.Robinson had a claim for whiplash brought against him, after he

:03:46. > :03:49.reversed into a car at a set of traffic lights. As I reversed

:03:49. > :03:55.backwards I slightly hit a taxi behind me. It was like a nudge, a

:03:55. > :04:01.kiss on the bumper. Got out, we exchanged details and then early

:04:01. > :04:07.2011, I got a letter from a solicitor saying the guy had put a

:04:07. > :04:10.claim in for �900 car damages, personal injury and was suing us

:04:10. > :04:18.for whiplash. What they didn't know was that Lee is a bit of an expert

:04:19. > :04:25.on the subject. Morning. We'll sit you up and go through the usual. My

:04:25. > :04:30.job as a physiotherapist, I treat whiplash every day of my life. None

:04:30. > :04:35.of his symptoms added up to what I think would have resulted from the

:04:35. > :04:39.impact. In his practice Lee sees people suffering serious whiplash.

:04:39. > :04:45.It caused me to have time off work. It's more the pain, the not

:04:45. > :04:48.sleeping, the turning over in bed and the headaches, that type of

:04:48. > :04:52.thing, impacts your daily life rather than just your job.

:04:52. > :04:56.Unusually for whiplash claims, Lee's case went to court and he won.

:04:56. > :05:01.Lee believe it's will pave the way for others to challenge these cases.

:05:01. > :05:04.And there are further plans to prevent fraudulent claims in the UK.

:05:04. > :05:08.In some other countries, if you're travelling at less than 10

:05:08. > :05:15.kilometres an hour, your claim for whiplash compensation doesn't even

:05:15. > :05:21.get looked at. But in the UK, it's a slightly different story. You

:05:21. > :05:24.could put a claim in for that. Experts disagree about whether

:05:24. > :05:28.whiplash injuries can be sustained at low speeds. The insurance

:05:28. > :05:32.industry are seeking change. want to look at some of the things

:05:32. > :05:35.they use in Europe, like Austria and Germany, where you have a

:05:35. > :05:39.minimum speed at which a whiplash claim can be made. I think what

:05:39. > :05:43.we're seeing is a system that makes it too easy for people to claim for

:05:43. > :05:47.whiplash. The Government is so concerned about rising car

:05:47. > :05:52.insurance premiums, they've met with industry representatives,

:05:52. > :05:54.discussing whiplash at length. Preferred options on how to cut the

:05:54. > :05:59.number of fraudulent claims will be presentsed to the Transport

:05:59. > :06:02.Secretary in the spring. If the measures yield results, the

:06:02. > :06:06.industry and the Government say any savings will be passed onto the

:06:06. > :06:10.consumer, resulting in lower car insurance premiums for all of us.

:06:10. > :06:16.So, is this the end of whacking in a great big claim for every tiny

:06:16. > :06:20.bump? Could this be the whiplash backlash?

:06:20. > :06:27.Andrew, your eyes rolled when we went into that film. You know about

:06:27. > :06:30.this. In my profession, you know what the no win, no fee culture has

:06:30. > :06:36.led to in America. I was mildly appalled when it was introduced

:06:36. > :06:41.here. It is so open to abuse. To see lawyers advertising, saying if

:06:41. > :06:45.you have had a minor accident at work or something, it gets crazy.

:06:45. > :06:49.Obviously, the idea of legal aid for people who need it is complete

:06:49. > :06:53.lay different. It's a very important thing. The whole no win,

:06:53. > :06:58.no fee situation is out of hand. is. Going onto your DVD, Love Never

:06:58. > :07:02.Dies is out never month. This is based ten years after Phantom of

:07:02. > :07:07.the op ra. The story carries on, though it's very self-contained.

:07:07. > :07:10.Could you give us a synopsis of the story. The whole thing is a

:07:10. > :07:14.curiosity to be honest. I don't think it's been done before. This

:07:14. > :07:18.is the Australian production, not the London production of Love Never

:07:18. > :07:22.Dies, which quite frankly, the Australians trounced me and my

:07:22. > :07:25.London production. They did a superb one, completely on their own.

:07:25. > :07:31.People said look, it's so extraordinary and mile as way, it

:07:31. > :07:35.should be filmed. That's exactly what happened to it. It's very,

:07:36. > :07:40.very intriguing. It is Set ten years later. The Australians kind

:07:40. > :07:44.of got it. In London, we didn't quite get it. I don't know why or

:07:44. > :07:48.how. It's a funny thing with musicals. Just one little thing

:07:48. > :07:52.goes off the rails and the whole thing is derailed, no matter how

:07:52. > :07:56.good it is. These guyles got it right. It lasted what, 18 months in

:07:56. > :07:59.the West End? It was a huge disappointment. But I think

:07:59. > :08:02.probably the whole thing should have been postponed. But then the

:08:02. > :08:12.Australians came in, completely fresh eyes and ears and I think

:08:12. > :08:28.

:08:28. > :08:33.they got it right. They did nail it. MUSIC

:08:33. > :08:37.APPLAUSE And it's still going strong that

:08:38. > :08:41.production. That was in Mel burn, now it's in Sydney. Yes,

:08:41. > :08:46.intriguingly for me, it's been shown tonight and it's the first

:08:46. > :08:52.time with a musical that's a new one, in 550 cinemas tonight in

:08:52. > :08:57.America. I am intrigued to see what happens. If it works, even if

:08:57. > :09:01.people don't like my show, what I'm intrigued about, this skill set the

:09:01. > :09:10.people who filmed this have done, I don't think it existed three years

:09:10. > :09:14.ago. It has come out of the live asylum ul casts of the opera and --

:09:14. > :09:18.symalcasts out of the opera. It's amazing. I have never seen it

:09:18. > :09:21.before. I'm very excited because I think it means a lot of

:09:21. > :09:27.performances that we would have loved to have seen, or would love

:09:27. > :09:31.to keep now, coming up, will be filmed in this way. As we spoke

:09:31. > :09:35.about earlier, you're taking Jesus Christ Superstar to the O2, to a

:09:35. > :09:39.big arena. And big arenas around the country. How are the logistics

:09:39. > :09:43.different. It's a much bigger space? Will you lose the intimacy

:09:43. > :09:48.from the theatre? Obviously you do. Clearly it's not the same

:09:48. > :09:53.experience at all. But it's been conceived as a rock concert through

:09:53. > :09:58.and through. Therefore, it's on a very big scale. It will use video

:09:58. > :10:01.screens greatly. I want it to look very rough. I'd like to, I'd like

:10:01. > :10:05.it to have something of the news reels that we're seeing from the

:10:05. > :10:09.Middle East right now, something about that and give it quite a

:10:09. > :10:13.contemporary edge. You're not going for huge rock stars, you're doing a

:10:13. > :10:16.talent search, the classic way. We're looking for somebody to play

:10:16. > :10:21.the role of Jesus. I'm not ruling out anybody at the moment. Quite a

:10:21. > :10:24.lot of people want to play it. It will go on from Britain and it will

:10:24. > :10:28.obviously play Europe, Australia, but the real excitement will be

:10:28. > :10:32.when it goes to America, because in America, the show's thought of as a

:10:32. > :10:36.rock album. It's not really thought of like we think of it here as a

:10:36. > :10:40.musical. There they think of it as the rock album it was. Have you got

:10:40. > :10:46.American rock stars queuing up? There are one or two. I have to

:10:46. > :10:50.make sure that they can act it as well. Going back to the original

:10:50. > :10:55.album in 1970, 42 years ago, would you believe, we were blessed with a

:10:55. > :10:59.fantastic cast who could really do it. The other big character in that

:10:59. > :11:03.musical is Mary Magdalene. Do you have an idea who might play that

:11:03. > :11:07.character? I have some thoughts. Mary is an easy role relatively to

:11:07. > :11:16.cast. She only has three songs. Two of them happen to be the big hit

:11:16. > :11:20.ones. But the role of Judas is a huge one. That's a big, both are

:11:20. > :11:26.big rock scenes. It will be interesting to see who the cast are

:11:26. > :11:30.finally. Love Never Dies is out on Monday, March 12. Last week a

:11:30. > :11:34.doctor from London became possibly the oldest expert to give evidence

:11:34. > :11:42.in court. That doctor was William Frankland, still working at the

:11:42. > :11:46.grand old age of 99. ARCHIVE: Do you suffer from hay

:11:46. > :11:50.fever or asthma? These are allergies. We may think of

:11:50. > :11:55.allergies sz a modern day phenomenon, but doctors have been

:11:55. > :11:59.trying for decades to discover the various causes. In 1912 a pioneer

:11:59. > :12:06.was born, a man who would dedicate his life to treating allergies of

:12:06. > :12:11.all kinds. He worked here at St Mary's. William Frankland, now aged

:12:11. > :12:19.99, has been leading the charge since his early days at St Mary's

:12:19. > :12:24.Hospital London, work ago longside Sir Alexander Flemming, the man who

:12:24. > :12:27.discovered penicillin. Amazingly William Frankland is still

:12:27. > :12:31.practising. He could just be the greatest Briton that you have never

:12:31. > :12:37.heard of. You were the man who developed the famous pollen count.

:12:37. > :12:41.How did that happen? We had this special hay fever clinic, where

:12:41. > :12:45.patients came who only had seasonal hay fever. I had one particularly

:12:45. > :12:51.annoying patient, who said I know the cause of my hay fever is due to

:12:51. > :12:55.roses. I said to her, "Roses do not put pollen in the air." From that

:12:55. > :12:59.moment onwards, I decided I had to teach people who was in the air.

:12:59. > :13:03.Nowadays if you look at the forecast you have the pollen count

:13:03. > :13:08.in. I'm sure hay fever sufferers don't need me to tell them, there

:13:08. > :13:13.are high levels at the moment. fought in the Second World War.

:13:14. > :13:18.started. I thought I would be in the right place at the right time.

:13:18. > :13:21.You ended up being imprisoned by the Japanese. Yes at Singapore.

:13:21. > :13:25.long were you in prison for? Three- and-a-half years. Did you continue

:13:25. > :13:30.to practice medicine? Very much so. I knew personally the name of every

:13:30. > :13:34.man in that camp. You were so close, you did know them personally. I'm

:13:34. > :13:38.lucky I survived. Lots of my friends didn't survive. I always

:13:38. > :13:43.count my blessings. He's had a remarkable influence on the whole

:13:43. > :13:46.discipline, not just in this country, but worldwide. Bill has

:13:46. > :13:52.devoted over 70 years to medicine and even put his life on the line

:13:52. > :13:55.for the sake of allergy research. When you have a very severe

:13:55. > :13:59.reaction you have a feeling of impending doom, in other words you

:13:59. > :14:03.think you're going to die. I wanted to know what would happen to me if

:14:03. > :14:08.an insect bit me that I'd never met before. The first bite cause nod

:14:08. > :14:12.trouble. The next a slight bump, 48 hours later. The eighth bite I

:14:12. > :14:15.noticed that the ceiling had gone black. My blood pressure had

:14:15. > :14:19.disappeared. But I found that I hadn't got a pulse. I did the

:14:19. > :14:23.experiment on myself. I couldn't do it on a patient, because

:14:23. > :14:28.potentially it was dangerous. The sister of the ward saw me and said

:14:28. > :14:31."Oh, I know you've done silly experiments on yourself. I'll give

:14:31. > :14:36.you adrenaline." Within a minute I decided I was dough live and not

:14:36. > :14:40.die. Not afraid to take risks, this remarkable doctor has helped

:14:40. > :14:43.improve the lives of millions of allergy sufferers. One of the

:14:43. > :14:48.amazing things is that he really predicted that the range of

:14:48. > :14:53.substances and things that people would be allergic to would increase,

:14:53. > :14:58.particularly drug allergy. worked with Alexander Flemming,

:14:58. > :15:02.what was that like? He was a marvellous man. We got on extremely

:15:02. > :15:06.well together. You did have a disagreement over a key publication

:15:06. > :15:09.though, it was about how if more people were prescribed penicillin

:15:09. > :15:14.there would be more allergic reactions to the drug. He wrote a

:15:14. > :15:22.famous book on penicillin. I was made to write a chapter in his book.

:15:22. > :15:25.He got out his pen and crossed out my last sentence and he said "The

:15:25. > :15:29.more recent penicillin preparations rarely cause local or general

:15:29. > :15:39.reactions." That's what's in the book. With hindsight who was right?

:15:39. > :15:45.

:15:45. > :15:48.He has always inspired me, and he has taught those who have taught me.

:15:48. > :15:58.He was a father figure, he has probably now become a grandfather

:15:58. > :15:59.

:15:59. > :16:03.figure. I may retire when I am 100, but even then, I'm not sure. What

:16:03. > :16:07.an incredible career, as we saw in the film, but one thing they did

:16:07. > :16:13.not mention is that you once treated Saddam Hussein, didn't you?

:16:13. > :16:18.You were flown over because of your expertise in elegies? Yes, I was

:16:18. > :16:24.sent out in that capacity, but he was not allergic according to that

:16:24. > :16:27.definition. I treated him correctly, and therefore he is the most

:16:27. > :16:34.grateful patient I have ever had. Can you tell us what was wrong with

:16:34. > :16:40.him? If he was not sleeping or praying, he was smoking. He smoked

:16:40. > :16:50.and smoked, and that was his real trouble. We were allies with Saddam

:16:50. > :16:51.

:16:51. > :16:57.Hussein then - do you regret treating him now? If you're a

:16:57. > :17:02.doctor, it does not matter who the person is, he's a patient. He was a

:17:02. > :17:06.patient and I wanted to help him. We heard in the film, lots of

:17:06. > :17:09.people are now calling you the grandfather figure of Medicine, so

:17:09. > :17:15.what do you think of the youngsters who are coming through, taking on

:17:15. > :17:20.your work? Well, I think so many of the young people have not been

:17:20. > :17:24.taught enough about allergy, which is becoming more common. Something

:17:24. > :17:30.like seasonal hayfever, we do not know why allergy is becoming more

:17:30. > :17:35.common, but it is. My worry is that although this country does very

:17:35. > :17:40.good research, a lot of the GPs and other people know so little about

:17:40. > :17:46.how to diagnose it and treat it. Well, you had better not retire,

:17:46. > :17:53.then. And Bill is 100 years old on 19th March.

:17:53. > :17:57.APPLAUSE Don't go testing any treatments between now and your

:17:57. > :18:02.birthday, that's what I say. It is fair to say that spring has

:18:02. > :18:07.definitely sprung. Here's the evidence, some newborn lambs from

:18:07. > :18:12.our Farm up in Durham. We have got six already, and triplets are due

:18:12. > :18:19.tonight. There is an expectant mother, waiting patiently. It may

:18:19. > :18:23.be a busy time on your farm, but it is also a busy time under water, as

:18:23. > :18:28.Miranda Krestovnikoff has been finding out. The fight for survival

:18:28. > :18:33.in the sea is a tough one, with the vast majority of offspring never

:18:33. > :18:39.reaching maturity. To counter this, some fish spawn huge numbers of

:18:39. > :18:45.eggs. But others take a very different approach. Many sharks,

:18:45. > :18:50.rays and skates do not lay eggs, but instead, these little egg cases.

:18:50. > :18:55.By doing so, they get a bit of a head start in life. To find out

:18:55. > :18:59.exactly how, I have come to this marine aquarium on the shore of the

:18:59. > :19:06.Moray Firth in Scotland, which exhibits only see life found in

:19:06. > :19:12.British waters. This doctor is a shark and res scientist from

:19:12. > :19:17.Aberdeen University. By producing these egg cases, they get a lot

:19:17. > :19:21.more protection, they can go into shallow waters, and hopefully be

:19:21. > :19:26.more successful. So they tend to invest more energy in a smaller

:19:26. > :19:33.number of offspring? Absolutely. But to boost their chances even

:19:33. > :19:37.more, the aquarium collects egg cases laid by sharks and rays and

:19:37. > :19:47.transfers them to a dedicated nursery, in a captive breeding

:19:47. > :19:47.

:19:47. > :19:52.programme. The programme covers two species are, the Thorn backed rays

:19:52. > :20:02.and the lesser spotted dogfish. This man is the aquarium's displays

:20:02. > :20:05.

:20:05. > :20:09.officer. How long does it take for them to emerge? The average for the

:20:09. > :20:15.dogfish is about nine months. these fairly close to hatching, the

:20:15. > :20:21.ones at the top? Yes, fingers crossed, we might even see them

:20:21. > :20:29.hatching today. Have a look at this one, you can see how there's a slip

:20:29. > :20:38.at the top, it has already been forcing a bit to try and get out.

:20:38. > :20:44.Look at that! How sweet. Look at him. The babies are only 10

:20:44. > :20:51.centimetres long when they hatch, but that is giant, compared to most

:20:51. > :20:57.fish, which start life as larvae. They will spend a year in the

:20:57. > :21:05.nursery, to get the best possible start in life. Time to go fishing.

:21:05. > :21:10.Any of these, we will go for the near one. What a beautiful, a tiny

:21:10. > :21:16.baby shark. Lovely! To make sure they release the release site in

:21:16. > :21:19.top condition, the dog fish are put in a oxygenated sea water, and put

:21:19. > :21:27.in insulated boxes before being driven to a suitable stretch of

:21:27. > :21:33.shoreline. But the one thing I find slightly puzzling is why relatively

:21:33. > :21:36.common and widespread species need to be released into the wild.

:21:36. > :21:41.the case of the lesser spotted dogfish, they are getting caught up

:21:41. > :21:46.a lot. They can do well if they are thrown back in time, but with

:21:46. > :21:50.different laws coming in, it might impinge on the species numbers.

:21:50. > :22:00.we are trying to get ahead of ourselves a bit black absolutely,

:22:00. > :22:00.

:22:00. > :22:10.help the species before it becomes a bit too late. Chris has given the

:22:10. > :22:10.

:22:10. > :22:18.dogfish time to acclimatise before releasing them. We have even seen a

:22:18. > :22:28.female dog fish in this area coming in to lay her eggs. Fantastic,

:22:28. > :22:31.

:22:31. > :22:38.look! He is now a wild dog fish. Wow! Look! That's so wonderful.

:22:38. > :22:46.is always great to see, look at him. Just swimming off. It is a big

:22:46. > :22:50.ocean for a small fish. Some sharks and rays beat the opposition in the

:22:50. > :22:56.wild by using their energy to make these extraordinary underwater

:22:56. > :23:04.incubators, instead of laying millions of eggs. And hopefully,

:23:04. > :23:08.some of these guys will start laying egg cases all their own. Now,

:23:08. > :23:15.our Sport Relief challenge, The One Show 1000, is upon us, and we need

:23:15. > :23:20.you to get involved. The idea is to run a relay of 1001 show viewers,

:23:20. > :23:26.each running one mile. It will stretch from the Isle of Mull to

:23:26. > :23:31.the Royal Mall in London. We need people all along the route. Today,

:23:31. > :23:36.we are focusing on one of the first sections, from Scotland over to

:23:36. > :23:38.Northern Ireland. Mull is already full, so no applications there,

:23:38. > :23:48.full, so no applications there, please. But we do need runners in

:23:48. > :23:52.the following regions... You can apply on the Sport Relief website,

:23:52. > :23:56.it is for a brilliant course. Some of the Sport Relief project's work

:23:56. > :23:58.with homeless people, but homelessness has not always been

:23:59. > :24:06.dealt with so sensitively, as Gyles dealt with so sensitively, as Gyles

:24:06. > :24:10.Brandreth discovered. The British Pathe news archive provides a

:24:10. > :24:18.precious window into the past. In times gone by, life, it could be

:24:18. > :24:25.said, was somewhat simpler than it is today. In the 1940s, for none

:24:25. > :24:31.more so than at the man without a care in the world, the Trump.

:24:31. > :24:35.NEWSREEL: His worldly possessions can be tied in an old handkerchief,

:24:35. > :24:43.but the birds still greet him in the morning. He has nothing, and

:24:43. > :24:46.yet everything. According to Pathe, happiness, and the occasional

:24:46. > :24:52.handout from a sympathetic housewife, was all the homeless

:24:52. > :24:59.needed to survive. The tramp would travel from door-to-door, leaving

:24:59. > :25:03.behind his ingenious messages. NEWSREEL: This sign, for instance,

:25:04. > :25:09.means, no go. This one means, too many callers. And finally,

:25:09. > :25:16.dangerous, don't touch it with a barge pole! That's how the Knights

:25:16. > :25:19.of the road conduct their correspondence. So, was this

:25:19. > :25:23.betrayal from British Pathe a true representation, or was there a

:25:23. > :25:27.larger problem which Pathe was ignoring? The truth is that

:25:27. > :25:32.homelessness was on the rise in Britain, following both the Great

:25:32. > :25:36.Depression and the Second World War. By the 1960s, Pathe was opening its

:25:36. > :25:40.allies to the fact that numbers had increased dramatically, and the

:25:40. > :25:47.nature of homelessness itself had changed. Alcohol abuse and drug

:25:47. > :25:53.abuse were escalating, and sympathy from the public was falling.

:25:53. > :25:58.cannot sustain or absorb this number. As the problem escalated,

:25:58. > :26:05.in the early 1970s, Pathe began to paint a different, and arguably

:26:05. > :26:11.more honest picture. This is a jungle. But it was that same decade

:26:11. > :26:16.that saw the opening of the Charing Cross shelter.

:26:16. > :26:23.NEWSREEL: This morning, the first move was made towards what

:26:23. > :26:27.everybody hopes will be a better life for the homeless of London.

:26:28. > :26:34.Charles Fraser, now the head of the charity, first began working there

:26:34. > :26:39.more than 30 years ago. What would he make of Pathe's early attitude?

:26:39. > :26:43.His kingdom is the highway, his treasures, the air, the blossom and

:26:43. > :26:47.the sunshine. What comes across is that it is completed delusional. It

:26:47. > :26:52.is important to remember that in those days, there was relatively

:26:52. > :26:56.little help for homeless people. How has homelessness actually

:26:56. > :27:00.changed since the Second World War? For an awfully long time,

:27:01. > :27:05.homelessness was linked with migrant labour. In the 1980s, it

:27:05. > :27:12.came to be seeing much more as a housing problem. What we see now,

:27:12. > :27:17.increasingly, is that homelessness is a health problem, particularly

:27:17. > :27:22.around low-level mental health. Pathe may have woken up to the

:27:22. > :27:25.problem, and the numbers were at their worst, but today,

:27:25. > :27:29.homelessness has far from disappeared. Recent figures suggest

:27:30. > :27:38.that on any one night, 2,100 people were sleeping rough in England last

:27:38. > :27:41.year. Experts believe the true number to be much higher. I was

:27:41. > :27:46.suffering with mental problems, I was drinking too much, and the

:27:46. > :27:52.council came and took my house. you actually slept on the streets?

:27:53. > :27:58.Yes, make no mistake, it is no way to exist. I had had houses and cars

:27:58. > :28:03.and nice jobs, and I was terrified, that was my lowest point. What do

:28:03. > :28:05.you say to people who think it is never going to be them? I spend a

:28:05. > :28:11.hours every day with people who think it will never happen to them,

:28:11. > :28:16.but beware, it is easier than you think. It was shot alike Charing

:28:16. > :28:22.Cross which saved Alan from a life on the streets. Today, he works for

:28:22. > :28:25.homeless charity, helping others. Despite their initial ignorance,

:28:25. > :28:30.Pathe were there to report on a world waking up to the problem of

:28:30. > :28:37.homelessness. But even today, it is more of a problem than Pathe ever

:28:37. > :28:42.knew. Gyles Brandreth cannot help himself, diving into the Pathe

:28:42. > :28:48.archives. On Chris Evans's' Breakfast Show on Friday, you

:28:48. > :28:54.confirmed that you and Gary Barlow would be collaborating on a song

:28:54. > :28:58.for the Diamond Jubilee - do you know who will sing that song yet?

:28:58. > :29:02.We do not know yet, Gary Barlow will be going around the

:29:02. > :29:12.Commonwealth, searching for artists who could be involved in it. We

:29:12. > :29:15.