:00:07. > :00:15.MUSIC: "You Can Call Me Al" by Paul Simon
:00:16. > :00:18.# If you'll be my bodyguard I can be your long-lost pal
:00:19. > :00:20.# I can call you Betty And Betty, when you call me
:00:21. > :00:35.Now time for the One Show with Alex Jones and tonight's guest presenter.
:00:36. > :00:41.This is going to be confusing. We are both Al. For the sake of sanity,
:00:42. > :00:51.I'll be Alex. Great, and you can call me Al. Hello and welcome to the
:00:52. > :00:54.One Show with Alex Jones. And to help us get that Friday feeling,
:00:55. > :01:02.it's Al Murray. APPLAUSE We can't have the pub
:01:03. > :01:06.landlord here without getting the drinks in.
:01:07. > :01:13.So we've got some beer, we've got wine. Alex, I'm being myself this
:01:14. > :01:19.evening. I'm not in character. This is me. So I'll skip straight to the
:01:20. > :01:25.wine, thank you. I contact either so you might as well do both. Later we
:01:26. > :01:29.will be meeting this guy who has a heart that used to belong to this
:01:30. > :01:35.guy. We'll be finding out who they are and how it is even possible.
:01:36. > :01:40.First, tonight 's guest. He has a number of old egos, all surprisingly
:01:41. > :01:45.the Miller. But which one will we be getting this evening? Are we getting
:01:46. > :01:54.the nerd? -- all surprisingly similar. Are we getting Ron
:01:55. > :02:01.Burgundy? Are we getting the bigwig poet? One way or another, it's old
:02:02. > :02:09.Mickey Bubbles, Michael Buble! Michael, welcome back! Now, this is
:02:10. > :02:15.a Good Friday, isn't it? Al Murray, Michael Buble, dreams are made. We
:02:16. > :02:24.just heard a bit of your single. This is thrilling for me. I'm a
:02:25. > :02:29.great big English lump. Oh, no. You are so hip and swinging. How do you
:02:30. > :02:35.do it? How can I be like that? I'll be honest, sitting this close to
:02:36. > :02:40.you, the first thing I'm going to do is go home and get my name on my
:02:41. > :02:48.birth certificate changed to Al. You guys make me want to be named Al. Be
:02:49. > :02:56.one of us, Michael. Bringing us in, incredible. Why have we got a phone
:02:57. > :03:00.on the table? A couple of weeks ago, we had Donny Osmond on and we gave
:03:01. > :03:04.the number to a fuse super fans and one of them got to call him.
:03:05. > :03:09.Tonight, Michael is going to be calling one of his super fans. So
:03:10. > :03:13.somebody watching there this evening is going to get a call before
:03:14. > :03:20.7:30pm. Keep watching and stay close to your phone. According to a survey
:03:21. > :03:23.this week, spammers in North America get their knickers in a twist
:03:24. > :03:29.chinwagging with us Brits because they can't understand what we are
:03:30. > :03:33.saying. But are we any better at understanding then? We sent Tommy
:03:34. > :03:37.out to talk turkey. It seems like some of our friends
:03:38. > :03:41.across the pond are still confused about many of our most beloved
:03:42. > :03:48.phrases, so I've taken to the streets of London to see how much we
:03:49. > :03:55.know about theirs. Up the well soon. No idea whatsoever up the creek
:03:56. > :04:04.without a paddle? Does it mean something has gone wrong? It is
:04:05. > :04:10.converted into other criteria. Down the Suwanee, I've heard of. It means
:04:11. > :04:19.to have lots of something. All of this, it's up the name three --
:04:20. > :04:24.wazoo, everywhere you look. I would say I've got no idea what you are
:04:25. > :04:34.talking about. If I said, let's seal the deal and put our John Hancocks
:04:35. > :04:44.on paper. A signature. Lay an egg? No idea. Let lay an egg and solve
:04:45. > :04:51.that happen. Make a mistake. Yes! Oh, God, he laid an egg. So we are
:04:52. > :04:57.clearly baffled by North American phrases, but are they really that
:04:58. > :05:02.confused with ours? Having a chinwag. Being pretentious. You are
:05:03. > :05:14.tuning up on someone. You wag your chin at them. Spanner in the works.
:05:15. > :05:21.What a spammer? Crumpet. Do you call somebody a crumpet? I'm not going to
:05:22. > :05:27.call you a jerk or something. You have tea and crumpet. Right? You
:05:28. > :05:35.might say that you two are a little bit of crumpet. Does it mean
:05:36. > :05:41.good-looking? Yes! That pants. What does that mean? It could be cool or
:05:42. > :05:49.it could be really bad. Spilling a drink on yourself. That pants. It is
:05:50. > :05:54.funny the way you say it. The chat here has been interesting.
:05:55. > :06:02.We found out what a widget is in Canada, oh yes. What is it? You call
:06:03. > :06:11.it a wedgie when you pull the underwear. We would call it a gunch
:06:12. > :06:16.pole. It's not attractive. You've got a new album out to stop here
:06:17. > :06:26.today, gone tomorrow. It's fantastic. Incredible. And they are
:06:27. > :06:32.all bad size. Am I right that this is a departure for you? You produced
:06:33. > :06:37.it yourself. I wanted the chance to take control to make a record of my
:06:38. > :06:40.dreams. For that, I needed to write with more writers and take control
:06:41. > :06:48.by producing. I made a record where I wanted to make the standards and
:06:49. > :06:53.the jazz songs more articulate than they'd ever been and to write better
:06:54. > :06:59.pop songs. I wanted to show growth and not alienate the people who'd
:07:00. > :07:02.been kind enough to invest in me. The previous albums, lots of people
:07:03. > :07:06.worked on them and this time it was a bit of a less is more approach. It
:07:07. > :07:13.isn't like people are getting something different. I'm not turning
:07:14. > :07:19.into something else. Don't worry, still some swing in there. What we
:07:20. > :07:27.all want to do in these chairs is be as honest as we can. Not always! OK.
:07:28. > :07:37.I read that you have inspiration from NWA's Straight Out Of Compton
:07:38. > :07:43.film. As you would think! It wasn't about the music is much as the
:07:44. > :07:49.environment that inspired me. These gentlemen created it in a way that
:07:50. > :07:54.they could really tell their story. They sort of supported each other
:07:55. > :07:58.through it. It's complicated. There are tones that were not part of the
:07:59. > :08:05.inspiration. But the movie made me want to kick it up a notch. Instead
:08:06. > :08:08.of going with the big, killer produces, I did with a gentleman I
:08:09. > :08:16.have been sharing a stage with. -- producers. There is a bit of rap in
:08:17. > :08:24.there. I think that you can make any song a bit Buble and Christmas Eve.
:08:25. > :08:28.You went too far! Could you make this tune more like Michael Buble?
:08:29. > :08:33.MUSIC: "Fight For Your Right" by the Beastie Boys
:08:34. > :08:43.It's one of my favourite songs. # You're leaving for school and you
:08:44. > :08:52.don't want to go # You ask your mum and she says no
:08:53. > :08:56.# You miss two classes and no homework
:08:57. > :09:06.SWING STYLE # You've got to fight for your right
:09:07. > :09:12.to party! The key is not to turn it into blue
:09:13. > :09:15.blade. -- Michael Buble. What you are talking about is turning it into
:09:16. > :09:19.a jazz swing thing and that is cheesy. When you sing it like that
:09:20. > :09:27.and the audience is drinking, that's beautiful. I think that would sway
:09:28. > :09:32.me. Very nice. You are doing a special for the BBC. You see, I've
:09:33. > :09:38.read the notes. You can imagine what an honour for me to be able to have
:09:39. > :09:43.that opportunity. I saw the Adele special and I thought it was
:09:44. > :09:51.incredible. This is on next Thursday on BBC One and you get to sing and
:09:52. > :09:54.chat with Claudia. What a treat! Yes, Claudia Winkleman stole the
:09:55. > :10:00.show. My friends were saying, I wish she was an more. She is funny and
:10:01. > :10:04.highly intelligent and has a wonderful personality, so kind and
:10:05. > :10:10.empathetic. What is great about this show is that it is really, it's a
:10:11. > :10:15.show, it must -- it's not just about music. You don't have to be a
:10:16. > :10:19.Michael Buble fan but, please God, be a Michael Buble fan! There is a
:10:20. > :10:24.big part of it where basically they put me in prosthetics and dressed me
:10:25. > :10:28.up and I had to go and basically trick my fans into not knowing me. I
:10:29. > :10:33.thought, there is no way they wouldn't know it was me, but when
:10:34. > :10:37.you get to see it, it is hilarious. These people don't want to talk to
:10:38. > :10:41.me. I came out and tried to help them buy a television and they start
:10:42. > :10:48.off basically saying, we are fine, we don't need your help. Save it!
:10:49. > :10:56.You need to tune in to see Vic 's next Thursday at eight spoilers. --
:10:57. > :11:03.to see it. Time to tell the story of these two guys at Peterhead's heart.
:11:04. > :11:09.No matter how many times you say it, it sounds impossible, but it isn't.
:11:10. > :11:14.I was born with cystic fibrosis, which is genetically inherited. If
:11:15. > :11:22.you can imagine breathing through a drinking straw or a by Rowlett. Your
:11:23. > :11:29.breathing is restricted. -- or a biro lod. It is this you are being
:11:30. > :11:35.robbed of air. I had an active life and I was encouraged to do things to
:11:36. > :11:42.keep me fit. At the time I felt ill, I was training for a half marathon.
:11:43. > :11:48.I was really fit. We'd just had my first son, Kieron. I was enjoying
:11:49. > :11:51.life, doing really well at life -- work, enjoying everything. I caught
:11:52. > :11:55.a cold or flu from somewhere and it started getting worse and worse and
:11:56. > :12:06.the cough was making me physically sick. I had a condition which, in
:12:07. > :12:11.layman 's terms, is an inflammation of the heart muscle. Why the time
:12:12. > :12:17.Christmas came around, I was slowly getting worse and worse and Mike
:12:18. > :12:22.complexion was getting whiter than white. -- my complexion. I couldn't
:12:23. > :12:27.play with my son. The consultant rang me up and said that my
:12:28. > :12:33.condition was getting worse. And had I actually considered having a heart
:12:34. > :12:36.transplant. It's a heart. You can't live without a heart, so there is no
:12:37. > :12:44.real option. It's a no-brainer. You have to go for it. When I was 25, I
:12:45. > :12:48.caught a very bad chest infection that put me in hospital for just
:12:49. > :12:54.over a month. I was very close to dying. It was then when
:12:55. > :13:00.transplantation was first mentioned. It was the first serious wake-up
:13:01. > :13:01.call that there is a get out clause -- get out clause. This is last
:13:02. > :13:20.orders. Be transplant coordinator took us to
:13:21. > :13:26.one side and said it was going to be an abdominal operation, so we asked
:13:27. > :13:31.what that is. She said, it is actually from a live donor. Because
:13:32. > :13:35.of the technology at the time or the medical knowledge at the time, any
:13:36. > :13:49.lung transplant was always going to be a heart and lung transplant.
:13:50. > :13:59.I knew that I had a very good heart. Mine was compensating so much for
:14:00. > :14:07.the lack of long ability. That meant that his perfectly good heart that
:14:08. > :14:13.he used to use would be up for another transplant in someone else,
:14:14. > :14:18.which was going to be me. It wasn't a selfless act. I wasn't doing it
:14:19. > :14:22.because I was a human and everything else. It was more of a fact that,
:14:23. > :14:27.oh, look, this is silly, it's going to go to waste otherwise. Why not?
:14:28. > :14:32.Somebody is being fantastic and generous enough and the family has
:14:33. > :14:40.been wonderful enough to allow me to have a chance. The least I could do
:14:41. > :14:43.was kind of hand the favour on. I was in the transplant clinic,
:14:44. > :14:49.waiting to see the doctor. Peter was sitting next to me. And, for
:14:50. > :14:56.whatever reason, we got into conversation. We both knew that our
:14:57. > :15:01.transplants were dominoes. We both realised that it was done on the
:15:02. > :15:09.same date. I said, hang on, I think you got my heart. Peter and I became
:15:10. > :15:16.friends and we shared a common interest in sport. Me and Jamie keep
:15:17. > :15:19.in touch frequently now and he is godfather to Henry, my youngest son.
:15:20. > :15:24.Without the transplant, Henry wouldn't have been around. We
:15:25. > :15:37.thought it was quite fitting that he'd be Henry's godfather.
:15:38. > :15:46.Peter, you've got James's heart. This is the most extraordinary
:15:47. > :15:50.thing. We watched these films earlier. Every I watch it it is
:15:51. > :15:56.completely mind-boggling. What it must be like for you. My wife tends
:15:57. > :16:06.to say to people, Peta has had a transplant and his tone is still
:16:07. > :16:09.alive. You see them think about it, and then they come back and then she
:16:10. > :16:12.has to go through the whole thing, you know, he has had cystic
:16:13. > :16:23.fibrosis, he needed a lung transplant. -- Peter. And it's
:16:24. > :16:27.fantastic. They've become firm friends out of the process. It was
:16:28. > :16:33.quite a long while. You said it was 16 years ago. But it is a medal
:16:34. > :16:35.winning hearts, isn't it? You have won tonnes of medals with James's
:16:36. > :16:43.heart. APPLAUSE
:16:44. > :16:49.He claims them as his because it was his heart. Shall we have a listen to
:16:50. > :17:03.see how the heart is doing? Because you have probably never heard it. We
:17:04. > :17:07.are not 100% sure this will work. We will need to be very quiet in the
:17:08. > :17:18.studio. It is the first time I've done this. Place it on your heart.
:17:19. > :17:40.Go on, then. Professional. We can hear it. Yeah, yeah. Still working.
:17:41. > :17:44.Is that the same rhythm as Fight For Your Right? I think so. What a
:17:45. > :17:46.story. Thank you, guys, thank you for
:17:47. > :17:49.popping in. Now - if you consider yourself one
:17:50. > :17:52.of Michael's biggest fans - your heart rate may well be
:17:53. > :18:00.about to go through the roof. In a minute, Michael is going to
:18:01. > :18:02.make a call. And it could be your
:18:03. > :18:04.phone that rings. Michael - any clues as to
:18:05. > :18:11.who you might be about to ring? Number one, the fan I am about to
:18:12. > :18:18.call is a mother of two macro who needs a bit of a pick me up. Clue
:18:19. > :18:23.number two, she lives in the north-east. And number three...
:18:24. > :18:33.LAUGHTER She is wearing black leggings.
:18:34. > :18:37.People are sitting at home thinking, who isn't? She is actually pulling
:18:38. > :18:48.her leggings down as we speak. She is watching TV right now. Here
:18:49. > :18:57.you are live on the One Show. We are just going to wait for the phone to
:18:58. > :19:08.ring. Yes, Gill, it's you. Michael, if you would take the phone. Hello?
:19:09. > :19:18.Hello, it's Michael Buble. LAUGHTER
:19:19. > :19:25.How are you? Do I need to talk into this? Really? How are you? I'm OK,
:19:26. > :19:28.I'm recovering from breaking my leg. I can't speak. The way you are
:19:29. > :19:34.breathing, it looks like we are going to have to give you a heart,
:19:35. > :19:38.too. I'm so happy. I heard you were a little bit down. I wanted to call
:19:39. > :19:43.and give you a pick me up and tell you that I loved you, thinking about
:19:44. > :19:47.you, and I hope you are well. That's wonderful. I love your black
:19:48. > :19:56.leggings. LAUGHTER
:19:57. > :20:02.Thank you. I have pulled them down. We could see you doing that. Could
:20:03. > :20:11.you? Can I invite you to something special? You can. I would like you
:20:12. > :20:21.to join me at the BBC Music Awards, would you come and be my guest? Oh!
:20:22. > :20:28.# Be my guest # Be my guest #.
:20:29. > :20:35.That would be fabulous, thank you. APPLAUSE
:20:36. > :20:39.We will see you there. What a lovely surprise. Shall I hang up? Yes, let
:20:40. > :20:40.her recover. And if you want to join Gill
:20:41. > :20:43.at the BBC Music Awards, where Michael will be joined
:20:44. > :20:46.by Emily Sande, The 1975 and Kaiser Chiefs -
:20:47. > :20:55.tickets are on sale now. Thank goodness she was a Michael
:20:56. > :20:57.fan. Michael will sing for us very soon.
:20:58. > :20:59.But first... If you're gearing up
:21:00. > :21:01.for Halloween this weekend, this witches tale may well
:21:02. > :21:03.be for you. The spooky thing about this story
:21:04. > :21:05.isn't a misuse of magic, Just be prepared for
:21:06. > :21:19.some scary imagery. Carrickfergus Castle in County
:21:20. > :21:25.Antrim is a spectacular relic of a tumultuous past. But today a very
:21:26. > :21:30.different battle is brewing. One that puts two radically different
:21:31. > :21:35.interpretations of history on trial. In 1711 this town was the setting
:21:36. > :21:41.for the last mass witch trial in the British Isles. At the centre of the
:21:42. > :21:45.case was 18-year-old Mary Dunbar in when set Island Magee, ten miles up
:21:46. > :21:52.the coast. -- wind swept. Mary claimed that a group of women had
:21:53. > :21:56.appeared to her, possessed her, and caused her to engage in bizarre
:21:57. > :21:59.activities like swearing and throwing Bibles. Detailed witness
:22:00. > :22:06.statements claimed Mary has been entranced, caused by witchcraft. --
:22:07. > :22:11.had been. And after a sensational trial the eight women were found
:22:12. > :22:17.guilty and sentenced to a year in jail and humiliation in the public
:22:18. > :22:22.stocks. More than 300 years later, Martina Devon has campaigned to have
:22:23. > :22:27.the Island Magee which is pardoned. Witchcraft accusations were a social
:22:28. > :22:30.control mechanism. It was a way of communities policing themselves.
:22:31. > :22:35.There was something about Mary Dunbar which made her very
:22:36. > :22:40.plausible, and there was something about the eight women she accused.
:22:41. > :22:44.They were pockmarked, illiterate, which made them fit the idea of what
:22:45. > :22:49.a which looked like. The verdict hinged on something that would never
:22:50. > :22:53.be allowed in court today, spectral evidence. The claim that an alleged
:22:54. > :22:59.which appeared in a dream to torment a victim and do the devil's will. In
:23:00. > :23:02.your opinion they didn't get a fair trial. Of course because there is no
:23:03. > :23:05.such thing as a witch. Of course it was wrong to convict them of
:23:06. > :23:11.witchcraft. But not everybody agrees. One historian says it's not
:23:12. > :23:15.quite as black and white as you may think. Doctor Andrew Sneddon has
:23:16. > :23:24.studied the original legal documents here at Trinity College, Dublin.
:23:25. > :23:31.This is one taken from Mary Dunbar, 12 of March, 1710, who had been duly
:23:32. > :23:38.sworn and examined. She has behaved in a violent manner. The local
:23:39. > :23:42.magistrate interviewed all of the people who had witnessed things,
:23:43. > :23:47.interviewed Mary Dunbar, then the judges sat, summed up the evidence,
:23:48. > :23:53.and the jury brought in a guilty verdict. It was as fair as you could
:23:54. > :23:57.get at that point. Today there is no criminal offence of witchcraft. But
:23:58. > :24:09.some still worry, like my final witness Reverend David Michael
:24:10. > :24:12.Green,. There is a force of darkness and to demonstrate itself in the
:24:13. > :24:16.lives of many people. What does he make of the trial verdict? I would
:24:17. > :24:22.have found them guilty of behaviour that was leading to the breach of
:24:23. > :24:25.the peace. But to actually find them guilty of being witches, I would
:24:26. > :24:28.reserve judgment on that. Even someone who believes in the
:24:29. > :24:31.existence of the devil finds it difficult to find the women guilty
:24:32. > :24:37.of anything more serious than public order offences. Time for a retrial,
:24:38. > :24:40.I think. Our One Show jury won't be recognised in the eyes of the law,
:24:41. > :24:46.but these are local people with opinions to express. Remember, you
:24:47. > :24:49.are considering the innocent all the guilt of the eight Island Magee
:24:50. > :24:57.women in terms of the evidence presented to the court, not whether
:24:58. > :25:01.witchcraft existed. Main arguments. She could identify these women
:25:02. > :25:05.without meeting them. Something was happening to her, was she
:25:06. > :25:09.hysterical? Why did Mary Dunbar know about all of these women? They are
:25:10. > :25:15.guilty by accusation. I beginning to doubt myself? They could be found in
:25:16. > :25:20.any town. We would never have survived. I think they are getting
:25:21. > :25:29.close. I think this might be it. Could we come to a vote, please? Do
:25:30. > :25:37.you have a verdict? Yes, we do, we the jury find the Island Magee which
:25:38. > :25:42.is not guilty. There you have it. A retrial of sorts and a new verdict.
:25:43. > :25:45.Maybe the witches of Island Magee can now be referred to in some
:25:46. > :25:51.quarters as the women of Island Magee.
:25:52. > :25:59.That is all for tonight. Thank you for your help.
:26:00. > :26:07.No worries. Michael's album is out now and it's called Nobody But Me.
:26:08. > :26:13.# But long as there are stars above you
:26:14. > :26:42.# God only knows what I'd be without you
:26:43. > :26:52.# Though life would still go on, believe me
:26:53. > :28:06.# God only knows what I'd be without you
:28:07. > :28:15.# Then life would still go on, believe me
:28:16. > :29:11.# God only knows what I'd be without you
:29:12. > :29:13.MUSIC: Best Day Of My Life by American Authors