:00:09. > :00:14.Hill is next? Can I have three portions of chips, please? One
:00:15. > :00:19.small, one medium and one large. Coming right up. Just a battered
:00:20. > :00:28.sausage, please. Do you have pickles? He is standing right behind
:00:29. > :00:37.you. Did evening, Eric. -- good evening.
:00:38. > :00:46.Hello, welcome to the Wednesday one show. It is just as well we have the
:00:47. > :00:52.chip van because we have a lot of mouths to feed. We have twins road
:00:53. > :00:58.testing a high fat and high sugar diet. Eric Pickles is here. We will
:00:59. > :01:07.be asking why we have so many bins cluttering up our front gardens. And
:01:08. > :01:16.we have Ramona, Daniel, Tyger, and Outnumbered writer Andy Hamilton. It
:01:17. > :01:24.is good to see you all. There is another true sitcom legend, Lesley
:01:25. > :01:31.Joseph. Are you all right on the end, Andy? I will probably fall off
:01:32. > :01:37.the end for comedy purposes. Outnumbered, the family have grown
:01:38. > :01:50.up. Have they been in to see you about a pay rise? A pay rise? Can we
:01:51. > :01:57.move on? They do it for the love of it. The reason we ask is that they
:01:58. > :02:03.say the squeeze on wages will ease in 2014 as more than half of UK
:02:04. > :02:08.businesses plan to increase pay. According to a survey, 57% said they
:02:09. > :02:14.would lift wages and the coming months could be a good time to ask
:02:15. > :02:18.for a pay rise. What is the best way to do it? We sent Angellica Bell and
:02:19. > :02:26.Claude Littner to hand out free advice. Would you like a pay rise? I
:02:27. > :02:31.would like a pay rise, but they are not easy to get. Bosses will think
:02:32. > :02:37.of reasons not to give you a pay rise. Fortunately, we have one on
:02:38. > :02:45.our side, Claude Littner, the right-hand man of Lord sugar. Come
:02:46. > :02:49.and get some free advice on how to get a pay rise. He will offer advice
:02:50. > :02:55.to workers on how they can get a pay rise. Is it easy to ask for a pay
:02:56. > :03:04.rise? It depends on your personality. I would not. They said
:03:05. > :03:09.that to get one I had to complete five things. I hit my targets and
:03:10. > :03:13.they gave me a pay rise. Oliver works in retail and does not know if
:03:14. > :03:20.he is eligible for a pay rise. What is holding you back? My generation
:03:21. > :03:27.have no idea how to approach the situation. You are lucky because you
:03:28. > :03:33.know your area manager and have a relationship. When he next passes by
:03:34. > :03:37.you could ask for a chat. You are exploring if there is an opportunity
:03:38. > :03:44.for a pay rise. You must not put him under pressure saying if you do not
:03:45. > :03:50.give an increase I am. I worry about coming across as greedy. Perhaps you
:03:51. > :03:55.are a star performer. Perhaps you have more reasons to approach. At
:03:56. > :04:00.least you opened the door to a possible discussion. Claire is a
:04:01. > :04:05.legal PA but did not have the confidence to ask for an increase. I
:04:06. > :04:12.was a PA to seven years and then I had a baby. You do not need to be
:04:13. > :04:19.concerned about him taking it badly. It is not unreasonable. Have
:04:20. > :04:23.a go. Claude has been advising for a couple of hours. He has been helping
:04:24. > :04:29.the working public of Watford get advice, but it is time he gave me
:04:30. > :04:34.some help. What are your top tips about asking for a pay rise? The
:04:35. > :04:38.first thing is to prepare carefully. You will find you will be
:04:39. > :04:44.nervous and might omit important points. Have your points available
:04:45. > :04:48.so you know what you are hitting him with. Picking the right time, in
:04:49. > :04:54.terms of the economic environment and your boss's state of mind. If he
:04:55. > :05:00.had a rough patch, it is probably not a good time. It is important to
:05:01. > :05:05.have a just cause. Do not go in if you do not have a valid reason. It
:05:06. > :05:11.is important to hit the right points to make your case. It might make you
:05:12. > :05:14.feel awkward, but if you believe you deserve a pay rise and you have
:05:15. > :05:19.thought carefully about approaching your boss, you have nothing to
:05:20. > :05:25.lose. If you do not ask, you do not get.
:05:26. > :05:31.The lovely side to Claude Littner. He was horrible to you. He is a nice
:05:32. > :05:37.person really. When you ask for a pay rise, Lesley Joseph, do you go
:05:38. > :05:45.into Dorian mode. She does not doom money. If she cannot earn it, she
:05:46. > :05:49.marries it. As far as I am concerned actors know there are hundreds of
:05:50. > :05:56.others waiting to take their jobs and sometimes it is hard to ask for
:05:57. > :06:02.a rise. Yet the agent to do it. Somebody not allowed to ask for a
:06:03. > :06:08.pay rise is the Minister for bins. Eric Pickles. Have you doubted the
:06:09. > :06:15.value of having multiple bins outside your house?
:06:16. > :06:20.For some people, be cycling is complicated with separate containers
:06:21. > :06:26.the glass, paper, plastic, even food waste. In other areas, it is a
:06:27. > :06:30.simple matter of putting everything in the one bin. In Bexley, it means
:06:31. > :06:39.putting rubbish into five separate bins. We have a glass box. Garden
:06:40. > :06:46.rubbish. There might be too many. I do not mind doing it. Why do some
:06:47. > :06:51.councils make it complicated? Is there any advantage in sorting
:06:52. > :06:56.rubbish into the right bins? If there is, why do we not all have to
:06:57. > :07:02.do it? I am on a mission to find the facts from the fiction. Let's take
:07:03. > :07:06.time to talk rubbish. The people who run this place say their machines
:07:07. > :07:11.are just as good at sorting rubbish as when we do it ourselves and that
:07:12. > :07:18.everybody should use one recycling bin. What you receive has not been
:07:19. > :07:26.sorted into separate boxes, it came in one recycling bin? It comes in
:07:27. > :07:30.one bin and it comes to our facility and we separated out into separate
:07:31. > :07:36.streams that go off to the reprocessing is to be used again to
:07:37. > :07:42.make new products. Materials are separated using optical detectors,
:07:43. > :07:48.magnets, and filters. What are these? These are human beings, not a
:07:49. > :07:53.machine. This is the initial quality control. Some people by mistake put
:07:54. > :07:58.the wrong thing in the recycling and we have to be able to take it out at
:07:59. > :08:05.this stage in case it damages the machine. It is not cheap. This cost
:08:06. > :08:12.around ?30 million. This is an example of the finished product,
:08:13. > :08:16.going out to be used as packaging. It is as good as any thing that
:08:17. > :08:26.would come from a multiple bin system. Not every council has access
:08:27. > :08:30.to a facility as good as this. The European Union wants homes and
:08:31. > :08:38.businesses to separate free cycling by next year, where possible. This
:08:39. > :08:43.person buys plastic bottles from sorting facilities and makes them
:08:44. > :08:47.into chips and flakes to sell back to the bottling industry. He
:08:48. > :08:56.believes the best way to collect recycling is having multiple world
:08:57. > :09:01.-- bins. If you have a separate box of plastics, it gets contaminated
:09:02. > :09:06.and the wrong things go inside, but you think it is a better system?
:09:07. > :09:11.Yes, at every point you will avoid contamination, the better. You have
:09:12. > :09:16.to perform a lot of sorting to get to the plastic bottles I want to
:09:17. > :09:21.buy. He wants his bottles to be high quality and will pay more to get
:09:22. > :09:29.that. For a good-quality bail I would expect to pay ?150 per tonne.
:09:30. > :09:35.Of that low quality bail, 50% of what is in there can be used by me.
:09:36. > :09:39.But for a good-quality bell, where 95% or more of the content is good
:09:40. > :09:48.mastic bottles, I would pay up to ?400. It is more than double the
:09:49. > :09:55.money to do it properly? UK market for this is worth ?8 billion and it
:09:56. > :09:58.is worth doing properly. The environmental services Association
:09:59. > :10:03.represents companies that pick up rubbish and sort it for recycling.
:10:04. > :10:09.Most people are happy to recycle, but why in some areas do you have
:10:10. > :10:16.many recycling bins? If the local authority wants a number, or just
:10:17. > :10:21.two, we will give it to them. Whichever system has the same end
:10:22. > :10:27.result? We are wasting our time? No. When it is collected separately, it
:10:28. > :10:34.will be cleaner. If you want the cleanest, you will have to pay.
:10:35. > :10:38.Recycling is traded all over the world. We are not waste management
:10:39. > :10:45.any more we are the resource management. We are trying to extract
:10:46. > :10:51.value. It seems that the debate is more about money than quality. With
:10:52. > :10:56.the right investments, a machine can sort as well as the householder. If
:10:57. > :11:05.we had one bin, the front garden would be tidier.
:11:06. > :11:10.The Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government,
:11:11. > :11:18.Eric Pickles, MP, joins us now. You should include the bins. The idea
:11:19. > :11:23.was mentioned in the film, why bother separating items because a
:11:24. > :11:29.machine can do it better? I have seen good works in Bournemouth. The
:11:30. > :11:34.person on the film talked about getting his bottles clean, you would
:11:35. > :11:40.be surprised, even though it has been mingled, how clean and separate
:11:41. > :11:49.they are. I think recycling should be something that is easy. Somebody
:11:50. > :12:03.have -- has one bin, others have two. It becomes an obsession for
:12:04. > :12:11.some people. If you put the yoghurt pot in the wrong place... As Alex
:12:12. > :12:15.said, it is about money. From the community point of view, what is the
:12:16. > :12:23.point of doing it? What are the benefits? You can offer people a
:12:24. > :12:28.better deal. Windsor and Maidenhead offer points to people for
:12:29. > :12:33.recycling. Points mean prizes. You could end up with a token from Marks
:12:34. > :12:36.Spencer, get yourself a free Coffey. It should be about
:12:37. > :12:45.encouraging rather than fining people. It is big business. A few
:12:46. > :12:52.years ago, that would have gone into landfill. You can now take plastics,
:12:53. > :12:58.glass, paper, it has value. You can put that back into the community and
:12:59. > :13:04.deliver a better service. Do you think we should separate them? You
:13:05. > :13:09.said people were obsessed. Do you think we can send it in one bag and
:13:10. > :13:14.the machine can do it? If you have something like that at the end and
:13:15. > :13:19.there is a growing number of these plants, and if your council has a
:13:20. > :13:26.contract with them, one is enough. If you do not have that, separation
:13:27. > :13:30.is sensible. My council has a weekly collection but we have something
:13:31. > :13:33.separate for recycling because it does not have the possibility of
:13:34. > :13:39.going somewhere like that. Hopefully, in the long term, all
:13:40. > :13:45.councils can do that. Somebody has to pay for that machine at ?30
:13:46. > :13:49.million. It is a lot of money. They are Private companies. They are
:13:50. > :13:57.doing it because they will make money out of it. If people can make
:13:58. > :14:05.money out of rubbish, it becomes a lot easier. Many people would say if
:14:06. > :14:09.we go to the hassle of separating these items and recycle, collections
:14:10. > :14:15.could be less frequent. Where do you stand? There are some things in life
:14:16. > :14:22.that are tricky smelly and the thought of them being around for a
:14:23. > :14:27.couple of weeks would be dreadful. Wales are thinking of free weekly
:14:28. > :14:34.collections, a monthly collection. Imagine a nappy hanging around.
:14:35. > :14:40.Falkirk Council I think they are going to three weeks in April. Think
:14:41. > :14:48.about the summer and how not it gets. You said you would be
:14:49. > :14:59.collecting general waste weekly and recycled waste, weekly, at no extra
:15:00. > :15:02.cost. How can that be? There are tonnes of mis-kicking around about
:15:03. > :15:08.how much it costs. People saying fortnightly collection is the
:15:09. > :15:13.future. The more recycling you do, the more pure you are. I am saying
:15:14. > :15:19.that all we want is to encourage people to do this. We have been
:15:20. > :15:22.producing some schemes. We have gone to 41 different authorities to
:15:23. > :15:31.increase recycling through weekly collections and it is working. OK.
:15:32. > :15:36.We know you are keen recycler. I am very pro-recycling. Wheelie bins are
:15:37. > :15:41.always bigger than I am and I can't get inside them to clean them out.
:15:42. > :15:48.We have heard what you think that what the minister thinks, but what
:15:49. > :15:52.do you think at home? How frequently should your general waste be
:15:53. > :15:58.collected? Not recycled waste, general landfill waste. You can sign
:15:59. > :16:20.in and vote online for free. You'll also find the terms and conditions.
:16:21. > :16:25.Thank you. You had to cancel appointments to be here and you are
:16:26. > :16:29.going to the House of Commons now. We are not fair until eight o'clock
:16:30. > :16:38.so if everybody tunes in, they can see the result of the vote. -- we
:16:39. > :16:45.are not off air. Now, it Russian security forces will
:16:46. > :16:52.be on the highest alert in Sochi for the Olympics. But 50 years ago,
:16:53. > :16:56.there was a top-secret mission in a London suburb. In 1960, Britain was
:16:57. > :17:07.in the middle of the Cold War paranoia. The nuclear arms race was
:17:08. > :17:15.gathering pace. Espionage was rife. On an unsuspecting W. London St, the
:17:16. > :17:19.KGB were lurking. As the residence of this street wash their cars and
:17:20. > :17:24.mowed lawns, one friendly couple had a very different pastime, it
:17:25. > :17:29.transpired. Peter and Helen moved in here in 1954. Peter was an antiques
:17:30. > :17:36.book-seller and Helen was a housewife. This author and TV
:17:37. > :17:42.presenter grew up in the area and remembers them. This was boring
:17:43. > :17:47.suburban England in the mid 50s and suddenly this exotic creature
:17:48. > :17:51.arrived. Helen. Brash, noisy, unlike anyone we had ever seen. When she
:17:52. > :17:54.first moved in, we thought she was amazingly friendly. She made friends
:17:55. > :17:58.with those neighbours and the people next door and particularly with my
:17:59. > :18:03.mother. Peter was the complete antithesis. Quiet, bookish,
:18:04. > :18:08.scholarly. My parents often wondered how that relationship worked because
:18:09. > :18:18.they seemed so different. It turned out there was more to the
:18:19. > :18:20.relationship than met the eye. 140 miles away in Portland on the Dorset
:18:21. > :18:25.coast, UK's first nuclear submarine was being developed. MI5 had
:18:26. > :18:29.discovered details of this top-secret project were being leaked
:18:30. > :18:35.to Moscow. But how? An intelligence operation revealed the trail led
:18:36. > :18:38.back to Peter and Helen. The surveillance found that two Portland
:18:39. > :18:43.employees were regularly meeting the trip to London to meet a man at
:18:44. > :18:51.different locations. That man was then tracked coming to this Ruislip
:18:52. > :18:59.Street. A static observation post was set up by MI5 in Gay's
:19:00. > :19:04.parents's house. One day MI5 turned up. They had a photograph. They
:19:05. > :19:08.asked if we had seen this man and we hadn't. Our kitchen had a good view
:19:09. > :19:15.of their front door. They both looked over and they saw the front
:19:16. > :19:21.door open and the man in the photograph hurried up the footpath
:19:22. > :19:24.and left. The man was an illegal Russian posing as a jukebox
:19:25. > :19:32.salesman. He was the go-between trading secrets between Portland and
:19:33. > :19:38.Helen and Peter. How long were MI5 in your house? Two months. They were
:19:39. > :19:41.women. They thought it might arouse suspicions if men were turning up
:19:42. > :19:47.during the day at my mother's front door during the week. They used to
:19:48. > :19:51.watch until it got dark. One of them left the kitchen in such a hurry
:19:52. > :19:55.that she left her handbag on the floor. Helen walked in and saw the
:19:56. > :20:00.handbag. My mother blamed it on me and slung it in the cupboard but it
:20:01. > :20:06.was stressful for my mother. After months of watching the man come and
:20:07. > :20:12.go, MI5 made their move. Niall is an espionage expert. How were they
:20:13. > :20:16.busted? Special branch sent round four offices and they posed as
:20:17. > :20:22.normal police officers investigating a spate of burglaries in the area.
:20:23. > :20:26.They went in and Helen realised it was quite serious, so she asked to
:20:27. > :20:31.stoke the boiler. One of the special branch offices rumbled this and
:20:32. > :20:39.grabbed her handbag and found the microdots inside it. Is the grid
:20:40. > :20:43.means of communication? Exactly. -- their secret means of communication?
:20:44. > :20:55.They also found this in the basement. At the time it contained a
:20:56. > :20:59.high-powered wire -- wireless and the capability to transmit all the
:21:00. > :21:04.way to Russia. They found several $20 bills as well. My brother came
:21:05. > :21:08.home and saw that all the lights were on and the door was open and my
:21:09. > :21:13.parents told them what they knew. The spies were uncovered
:21:14. > :21:19.subsequently and each given 20 years. The group became known as the
:21:20. > :21:26.Portland spy ring, one of the last true spy rings to be exposed in
:21:27. > :21:30.Britain. This area is not likely to feature in any James Bond movies,
:21:31. > :21:36.but when the couple were marched from number 4550 years ago, there
:21:37. > :21:46.was certainly a sense of drama on this quiet suburban street. -- from
:21:47. > :21:51.number 45 50 years ago. The things that go on in London!
:21:52. > :21:56.Outnumbered is shot in Wandsworth, isn't it? Yes. We thought about
:21:57. > :22:00.doing a Russian spy episode but that would strain credibility! If it
:22:01. > :22:07.comes back for another series, maybe! The next series starts
:22:08. > :22:15.tonight at nine o'clock on BBC One. What is going on in the madhouse?
:22:16. > :22:19.You are the brains behind it, Andy. I am only half of the brains. They
:22:20. > :22:26.are bigger and older and that throws up for the parents much more
:22:27. > :22:31.complicated and ambiguous parenting challenges. You no longer have the
:22:32. > :22:41.option of just picking them up and carrying them to their room. Unless
:22:42. > :22:45.you want triple hernia! It is about the more complicated problems of
:22:46. > :22:51.parenting once the children approach adult hood. Do you get bored of
:22:52. > :22:57.people telling you you have grown? Do you mind? It is quite good. You
:22:58. > :23:04.lose the little boy image. People realise that. Let's have a look at
:23:05. > :23:07.tonight's episode. It is you and your mother when she is being
:23:08. > :23:15.motherly and not very supportive, to be fair. I need to try out my piece
:23:16. > :23:27.for my audition. I thought I would go with Whitney Houston. Right. She
:23:28. > :23:31.sings quite high. Really? Yes, quite a few top notes. Which I am sure you
:23:32. > :23:42.can hit. I will be in the shed if anybody wants me. Great! Tyger, how
:23:43. > :23:49.much say do you have in how much your characters develop since the
:23:50. > :23:52.last time we saw you two years ago? There has always been a large
:23:53. > :23:56.quantity of ourselves in the characters and also because of the
:23:57. > :24:01.improvisation aspect. Before we film, we always have a meeting with
:24:02. > :24:05.Andy and Guy, and we always talk about the things we are really up to
:24:06. > :24:12.in our lives, while they are writing. I think that gives them
:24:13. > :24:16.some inspiration to work their comedy magic. When you were
:24:17. > :24:19.younger, the whole thing was geared around improvisation and you did not
:24:20. > :24:24.know what the children would come up with. It must have evolved quite a
:24:25. > :24:29.bit with learning scripts and everything. There is always a
:24:30. > :24:34.script. Can I make that perfectly clear? We get paid to write! There
:24:35. > :24:41.were always these holes, if you like, where we would always let the
:24:42. > :24:49.kids run riot and turn it into scenes. Now they still don't learn
:24:50. > :24:56.the lines in the conventional sense. They don't go home the night before
:24:57. > :25:00.with them. We give them a few minutes before we do the scene. They
:25:01. > :25:04.are all very fast, so we show them the scene, and then we clock it and
:25:05. > :25:11.learn it in about three minutes. Then we go on set and we do it. It
:25:12. > :25:15.has evolved. Kids this age don't go off on the mad lateral flights of
:25:16. > :25:21.fantasy that five-year-olds do. You are laughing at this. I would go on
:25:22. > :25:28.set and they would ask if I had seen the script. No. I have to learn it
:25:29. > :25:31.quickly and scan the page. You are five when you started, Ramona and
:25:32. > :25:42.you have changed since then. Here are your highlights. Is your mother
:25:43. > :25:49.or father in? My father is on the toilet. I don't want you to sleep in
:25:50. > :25:57.my room but as you are, here is a list of rules. I am not very likely
:25:58. > :26:04.to wet the bed. My auntie did. A woman can be any size or shape she
:26:05. > :26:14.wants. What about a hexagon? I said get dressed. She is horrible and she
:26:15. > :26:19.gets obsessed with apostrophes but they just slow you down. And
:26:20. > :26:28.everyone gets them wrong. What is it like to look back at? It is a bit
:26:29. > :26:34.weird. I remember filling it. Then, yes, I don't know. It feels really
:26:35. > :26:44.long ago. Judging how your character looks now, as Karen become more like
:26:45. > :26:48.Ramona? Now she is probably the most different to me than she has been in
:26:49. > :26:56.the series. Before I would play her younger. She is younger than me by
:26:57. > :27:02.one year. Now she seems very different. We have a very different
:27:03. > :27:06.style. We will move onto Daniel because you have grown up and you
:27:07. > :27:17.are big, strapping lad. You will always be remembered being
:27:18. > :27:22.boisterous. Glory! I have the world record. You can take the drill in
:27:23. > :27:29.the car so long as you promise to leave it there when we get to
:27:30. > :27:38.school. OK? No. What is the point of living? I thought we were having
:27:39. > :27:45.salad. You are. Where is it? I put it in the blender. You got the part
:27:46. > :27:51.of Spartacus? No, I am Spartacus. I am going to hear that joke a lot. A
:27:52. > :27:55.little bird was telling us that you are keen rugby player. When you are
:27:56. > :28:01.on the pitch and playing a game, do people ask if you are the guy from
:28:02. > :28:05.Outnumbered? Yes. Usually it is after the match but sometimes it is
:28:06. > :28:12.when I have just tackled someone and we are just getting up and they spot
:28:13. > :28:17.me mid game. If they hate the show, do they bash you? I don't want to
:28:18. > :28:23.see you on my television again! Tyger, we will save your highlights
:28:24. > :28:26.because there is an event that has happened very recently that means we
:28:27. > :28:33.can no longer call you the Outnumbered kids. Is that right?
:28:34. > :28:40.Fairly correct. Because you are the grand old age of? 18! But first,
:28:41. > :28:46.here are some of your journeys from childhood to adulthood. I am Emily
:28:47. > :28:53.and we met when we were 18 singing on a bus and we became best friends.
:28:54. > :28:57.When we were 18, we learned not to take ourselves seriously. People
:28:58. > :29:02.love you for who you are. They might think you are old but they laugh
:29:03. > :29:08.along and enjoy it. We had no worries or jobs to worry about. At
:29:09. > :29:13.18 you can just decide to go. I don't think the thought is there not
:29:14. > :29:19.to do it. We made lots of mistakes together. Money mistakes! At 18, I
:29:20. > :29:31.think I learned how to live for the rest of my life. My name is Zoe and
:29:32. > :29:35.when I was 18 I moved to America to work as an au pair. For the first
:29:36. > :29:39.two months I wanted to come home every day. I was 18 and looking
:29:40. > :29:44.after a 13-month-old baby with no idea what to do. I had done some
:29:45. > :29:48.baby-sitting but that was it. Then I suddenly got past it and started
:29:49. > :29:52.having a brilliant time and I made some great friends. I think it gave
:29:53. > :30:01.me the confidence to do things that I really wanted to, rather than
:30:02. > :30:04.following the crowd. I think I have followed a different route. Lilly is
:30:05. > :30:12.15 months and brilliant. I think that having done it before when I
:30:13. > :30:17.was 18 has helped. Eddie Blackstone. On my 18th birthday I
:30:18. > :30:24.became eligible for national service. It was terrific. At 18, you
:30:25. > :30:29.think you are bullet-proof. I was sent to Cyprus. It was a defining
:30:30. > :30:35.moment. When I got to Cyprus, we were searching a village. There was
:30:36. > :30:41.a guitar hanging up on a door and I bought it for a bar of soap and tin
:30:42. > :30:44.of beans. Who knows? If I had gone in the Navy, I might not have seen a
:30:45. > :30:51.guitar and I probably would never have learned to play. And to write
:30:52. > :30:59.songs. My name is Sarah, 18 is a special
:31:00. > :31:03.year for me because I find out I was expecting Rebecca. When I turned 18
:31:04. > :31:09.I was doing my A-levels, second year and did not have a care in the
:31:10. > :31:15.world. I did not have a boyfriend. I expected to do a teaching degree. I
:31:16. > :31:24.was my own person. It's changed a year later. I became somebody's wife
:31:25. > :31:29.and mother. A busy year. I want to go back to college to do what my mum
:31:30. > :31:34.wanted to do, to become a primary school teacher. Hopefully I can do
:31:35. > :31:41.it. I might go back to college and it will be a race to see who
:31:42. > :31:48.qualifies! That was lovely. Do you remember your ratings? I do not,
:31:49. > :31:53.actually. I just went out and had a night out with the lads. I was
:31:54. > :32:01.wearing a horrible outfits! What did you do? I spend my birthday weekend
:32:02. > :32:12.in Paris with a friend. We went bowling. We got drunk. You went to
:32:13. > :32:19.Paris and he went bowling. That is the first thing you do in Paris! We
:32:20. > :32:24.thought it would be fun to do. A little bird told us you were a fan
:32:25. > :32:35.of a certain desert and we have a surprise as a birthday treat. We
:32:36. > :32:51.welcome from the catering crew, Pam. APPLAUSE.
:32:52. > :32:58.Thank you so much. What is so great about Banoffee pie? It is made by
:32:59. > :33:02.this gorgeous lady sat next to me. She has the most amazing culinary
:33:03. > :33:06.skills in the world. Every time there is Banoffee pie, she has to
:33:07. > :33:18.stop me coming back for a thirds, fourths and fifths. Pam is the lady
:33:19. > :33:23.who cooks for you on Outnumbered. In the house next door. We filmed in
:33:24. > :33:31.one house and the house next door is where Pam cooks. Who is most greedy
:33:32. > :33:39.out of you three? I used to be pretty greedy. One day, Ramona, you
:33:40. > :33:47.had eight sausages or something. We can look at Jake's best bits.
:33:48. > :33:55.We are going to be late. We will be fine. Can I get a note saying I was
:33:56. > :34:09.late because my family is useless? My dad is making stupid faces. It is
:34:10. > :34:23.cool. You can't say that about your age.
:34:24. > :34:27.You were very good. If you want to see more of Outnumbered, the series
:34:28. > :34:35.starts tonight at 9pm on BBC One. Ranks to Pam. Before you go, what
:34:36. > :34:44.percentage of sugar and fat is in that? A huge amount. We ask because
:34:45. > :34:51.tonight's Horizon programme explores the danger of two diets taken on by
:34:52. > :34:57.two similar people. One diet is high in fat, and the other extremely high
:34:58. > :35:08.in sugar. During the diet we will test our minds. And our bodies. How
:35:09. > :35:11.they cope with eating just fat, or, just sugar. What we discover is
:35:12. > :35:20.really surprising and really unsettling. It overturns the way I
:35:21. > :35:26.think about my body. I am not well. After meeting this scientist and
:35:27. > :35:30.some cheesecake eating rats, we found the latest research changed
:35:31. > :35:40.what we thought we knew about fat and sugar. We would expect what most
:35:41. > :35:47.doctors would expect. What most people in the street would expect.
:35:48. > :35:52.That left us on a cliffhanger. The doctors join us now. You took part
:35:53. > :35:59.in this. Why did you want to do it? It sounds risky. If you have been
:36:00. > :36:06.reading the papers, all we have heard is that sugar is the new
:36:07. > :36:09.nicotine and dangerous and that fat is not the villain any more, while
:36:10. > :36:19.we grew up thinking it was a problem. We wanted to explore this,
:36:20. > :36:27.using the fact we are identical twins. You did the sugar diet, you
:36:28. > :36:33.did the fat diet. I could eat anything with less than 3% fat.
:36:34. > :36:39.Almost any fruit, vegetable, cereals, rice and pasta, lean meat.
:36:40. > :36:47.But meals without fat are joyless. That sounds healthy, lean meat and
:36:48. > :36:53.fruit and vegetable. I lost weight. Did you have a similar experience? I
:36:54. > :36:58.was on a diet with no carbohydrate, no sugar. The first trip to the
:36:59. > :37:03.supermarket it is amazing, you do not have too spend money on
:37:04. > :37:07.vegetables, you can spend it on expensive state, cheese and eggs.
:37:08. > :37:18.But it leaves you feeling pretty bad. How did you choose who would do
:37:19. > :37:22.what? We thought that... I wanted to do my diet. We thought might diet
:37:23. > :37:28.would be healthy because sugar is the villain now. We thought the
:37:29. > :37:36.high-fat diet would be good. It is like the Atkins diet a few years
:37:37. > :37:42.ago. What was the effect? The most striking thing was you cannot
:37:43. > :37:49.function mentally. We did a day of trading on the stock market with
:37:50. > :37:55.fake money. This would have been the new financial crisis! We should not
:37:56. > :37:59.be on the stock market anyway, but it was incredibly difficult,
:38:00. > :38:03.remembering things, basic arithmetic in my head, really tough.
:38:04. > :38:10.Physically, I was bad. I could not cycle up the hill. I was better at
:38:11. > :38:16.losing weight. Four kilograms in a month, eating as much as I wanted,
:38:17. > :38:26.providing it had no carbohydrates, which sounds wonderful, but half of
:38:27. > :38:31.the weight was mass. I was more functional and I did not lose
:38:32. > :38:34.muscle, I just lost fat. We get trapped into thinking that the key
:38:35. > :38:40.thing is the weight loss. You have to to look at detail, with
:38:41. > :38:46.biochemical tests. For people watching tonight, what will they
:38:47. > :38:54.take from it? Everybody has an idea of a healthy diet. What you saw,
:38:55. > :39:01.there were rats in the kit. The scientist brought them to my
:39:02. > :39:07.apartment and fed them cheesecake. We will say guinea pigs! We are
:39:08. > :39:12.talking about sugar being addictive. Ramona, will you have a
:39:13. > :39:21.spoonful of sugar? Say what you think of it. That was quite a lot.
:39:22. > :39:28.Do you want to eat another and another? Are you done with the
:39:29. > :39:36.sugar? I would have more. But not the whole bowl. That would be
:39:37. > :39:44.boring. You would become bored. Would you
:39:45. > :39:50.like to have a spoonful of cream? It has very little sugar, but lots of
:39:51. > :39:57.fat. Is it delicious? He is not pleased. Anybody who says it is
:39:58. > :40:02.addictive is missing the point. Tyger, can you grab the whisk and
:40:03. > :40:07.mix them together. If you can stir them up. This is what we are
:40:08. > :40:16.thinking about with the Banoffee pie. That is a difficult job. We
:40:17. > :40:21.should get Pam to do this! If you have a thick, sugary and
:40:22. > :40:32.creamy bite and see what you think of it. He has essentially made
:40:33. > :40:38.molten ice cream. That should be better than either one individually.
:40:39. > :40:43.It is not brilliant but it is better than cream or sugar on their own. If
:40:44. > :40:54.you phrase it, it would be delicious. Actually, it does
:40:55. > :41:00.taste... You can see the documentary tonight on BBC Two. That is also at
:41:01. > :41:06.9pm. That is going up against Outnumbered tonight. If you have
:41:07. > :41:12.been taking part in the voting, the lines are now closed. Do not text
:41:13. > :41:21.because you would be charged. Geography lesson, where would you
:41:22. > :41:30.expect to find a barrier reef? 400 miles off the North North Coast?
:41:31. > :41:39.Yass, 400 metres off the Norfolk coast. The -- Miranda went to find
:41:40. > :41:44.it. The Norfolk coastline is one of the
:41:45. > :41:50.most beautiful in Britain and holiday-makers have come here since
:41:51. > :41:54.the 1700s. Three years ago, divers uncovered a secret. They found a
:41:55. > :42:02.chalk Reef, possibly the longest in the world. Only about 1% of the
:42:03. > :42:08.British coastline is made of chalk and most of it is in the south-east.
:42:09. > :42:13.No one realised how much of it was submerged of the Norfolk coast. This
:42:14. > :42:20.person led the team that made the discovery. We thought it was a
:42:21. > :42:25.little patch, nothing extensive. When we started diving, we found
:42:26. > :42:32.more. By mid-summer, we thought this is more than we thought. It is a
:42:33. > :42:38.fantastic read. We found 20 miles of continuous reef system and we were
:42:39. > :42:46.elated. What is more astonishing is that it is just metres away from the
:42:47. > :42:54.shore. What are we likely to see on the dive? Hopefully, animals,
:42:55. > :43:01.crustaceans, lobsters, crabs. We will find things that have not been
:43:02. > :43:08.found in the world before. Unlike a coral reef, which is a living
:43:09. > :43:11.structure, chalk reefs are made up from the skeletons of microscopic
:43:12. > :43:19.plants, packed together over 65 million years ago. It is very
:43:20. > :43:26.bizarre diving over such a white, bright, coloured substrate.
:43:27. > :43:32.Normally, it is the bottom of the sea is silty and brown and covered
:43:33. > :43:40.in seaweed. This is white and Brighton Rock. With that comes a
:43:41. > :43:44.cast of creatures. We are diving at seven to eight meters. The chalk
:43:45. > :43:53.creates nooks and crannies for animals to hide or living. -- live
:43:54. > :43:58.in. We have a beautiful lobster. They love this sort of environment
:43:59. > :44:05.because the chalk is soft. They can borrow within it. Since making the
:44:06. > :44:12.survey, Rob and his team have recorded 150 species including fish
:44:13. > :44:16.and enemies new to this coast. And a creature not found anywhere else in
:44:17. > :44:26.the world. It does not look exciting, but it is purple, it grows
:44:27. > :44:33.over the rock. It is a sponge. It is an animal. It eats whatever floats
:44:34. > :44:37.past. They thought it was a species from the Mediterranean that had
:44:38. > :44:43.moved here, but with more research, they found it was a species new to
:44:44. > :44:48.science. That is the story of the chalk reefs. That is what makes it
:44:49. > :44:54.unique. Everywhere I am coming across creatures I would not expect
:44:55. > :45:06.to see. A master of disguise is this fish. He can change colour to blend
:45:07. > :45:11.in with the surroundings. He is the cease Gorby. You normally see them
:45:12. > :45:23.on tropical reefs and so it is a privilege to see it here -- sea
:45:24. > :45:28.scorpion. This area is important for the lobster and crab industry, but
:45:29. > :45:33.there are hopes that this amazing reef could one day become a marine
:45:34. > :45:37.conservation zone. I have been diving for 20 years and all around
:45:38. > :45:41.the world and it is great to know that there are still new habitats to
:45:42. > :45:45.be discovered underwater. What is especially brilliant about this one
:45:46. > :45:52.is that it is in the UK, right on our doorstep. Gosh. The visibility
:45:53. > :45:57.is just beautiful. You would never believe that was off the Norfolk
:45:58. > :46:01.coast. Lesley is about to star in Hot Flush, so we have sent the
:46:02. > :46:08.Outnumbered family outside because it is not a topic for teenagers! It
:46:09. > :46:14.is billed as one of the naughtiest musicals in town. Why are all my
:46:15. > :46:22.characters naughty? After Dorian, people wanted Lesley to be naughty.
:46:23. > :46:27.It is about hot flushes, four women and one man and it just things you
:46:28. > :46:31.through all those moments in every woman's life. Somebody rings. There
:46:32. > :46:35.is your bag in the supermarket. Everything comes out on the floor
:46:36. > :46:41.and they have run off. It is four women who joined the Hot Flush Club
:46:42. > :46:46.who meet every Tuesday and whinge about the men in their lives. But
:46:47. > :46:52.how many characters are in it? About 19 because the man plays 15
:46:53. > :46:57.characters. Including all of the characters in a speed dating song.
:46:58. > :47:03.It is original music and very funny. One comes in in a leather thong and
:47:04. > :47:12.not much else. My hands are going! The audience go berserk. Lots of hen
:47:13. > :47:19.parties. Calm down. What are you making of this? Is this aimed at
:47:20. > :47:27.women? Can men come? Are we allowed to go? Yes. It is not like the
:47:28. > :47:33.Chippendales? No. The man does speak for every man. He has a brilliant
:47:34. > :47:38.song. It is like stand-up. We break down the fourth wall at one point. I
:47:39. > :47:43.do some stand-up. I sing and dance dubiously and I talk to the audience
:47:44. > :47:49.and act. It has a bit of everything. When we opened, and this is the
:47:50. > :47:54.third time I have done it, we added 15 minutes with laughter. I have
:47:55. > :47:58.never been in a show with that kind of reaction. Everybody asked when we
:47:59. > :48:03.would come back because the audience used to go laughing their heads off.
:48:04. > :48:09.Come and see it. Speaking of comedy, Birds Of A Feather has come back to
:48:10. > :48:16.ITV. Can you believe it? Who would have thought? How was it getting
:48:17. > :48:23.back into the role? We did two stage plays of Birds Of A Feather and
:48:24. > :48:27.during the 17 weeks one, we realised it still had legs. The comedy was
:48:28. > :48:33.sharp, the characters were still there, and we negotiated putting it
:48:34. > :48:42.back on TV. That is life. Showbiz! It was a classic. How long was it on
:48:43. > :48:48.the BBC? Nine years, 103 episodes. The classic sitcom. Outnumbered took
:48:49. > :48:54.over in that sort of style. Let's have a look at something from
:48:55. > :48:59.tomorrow night's episode. Oh, Benedict Cumberbatch, I am partial
:49:00. > :49:06.to his Sherlock. You can read the names that come up at the end? I
:49:07. > :49:14.have had laser eye surgery. I have the vision of a sparrow hawk. And
:49:15. > :49:19.the body of an oven ready chicken. It is quite naughty actually. It is
:49:20. > :49:24.pre-watershed but we do get away with some things that I think gate
:49:25. > :49:29.over people's heads in the ether. I don't know how. It is just
:49:30. > :49:34.suggestion. It is lovely to see you back on screen and Hot Flush starts
:49:35. > :49:40.touring the UK from at the fourth from the Wimbledon Theatre until
:49:41. > :49:46.May. 20 of time to see it. Now, the results of the vote. How frequently
:49:47. > :49:52.should your general waste be collected? The results are in and
:49:53. > :49:58.71% say every week. 26% say two weeks and 3%, there are some people
:49:59. > :50:04.out there, say every three weeks. Not entirely surprising. Carla says,
:50:05. > :50:09.we have fortnightly collections and have done for several years and we
:50:10. > :50:13.have never seen any rats. Sally from Kent, this is a good idea. In the
:50:14. > :50:18.winter it should be fortnightly but in the summer weekly. Good sense
:50:19. > :50:22.behind that. And Fiona in Cornwall. If you wait another week with your
:50:23. > :50:26.brains, you have to double the rubbish, the lorry fills quickly,
:50:27. > :50:38.and has to return to the depot more times so where is the saving? --
:50:39. > :50:46.your bins. You used to work for the waste industry? Yes, I learned a lot
:50:47. > :50:51.about the reproductive cycle of the blue bottle, which pushes me towards
:50:52. > :50:58.weekly. I think it should be a different night each week.
:50:59. > :51:05.Confusing! The foxes know when it is. Don't tell me that! We have to
:51:06. > :51:09.confuse them. We put our stuff out and the boxes come and redistribute
:51:10. > :51:18.it down the street. If you change the night, the foxes will give up.
:51:19. > :51:26.We did a request for Eric Pickles to keep watching, so if you are, the
:51:27. > :51:32.ants is 73% want it weekly. Now, wrapping chips stayed the same for
:51:33. > :51:39.years but now there is the posh chip. As a suicide treat, you can't
:51:40. > :51:47.beat chips. It is one of the UK's favourite takeaway is. In Brighton,
:51:48. > :51:51.there are 35 chippies and no shortage of variety on the fish
:51:52. > :51:56.front. Chips seem to stay the same but could that be about to change?
:51:57. > :52:00.Pop in to any number of High Street restaurants these days, and your
:52:01. > :52:10.chips are likely to turn up as polenta tips. Triple cooked duck fat
:52:11. > :52:16.tips. -- chips. And if you are really splashing out, truffle chips.
:52:17. > :52:21.Are we ready to go posh in the everyday chippy? We are taking over
:52:22. > :52:27.this prior in Brighton to see if customers choose the posh version
:52:28. > :52:32.over the regular sort. The owner swears by the 90-year-old family way
:52:33. > :52:36.of making chips. Are exactly as grand dad did, we do now. Get the
:52:37. > :52:43.potatoes and put them in the Rambler. Once the skin comes off,
:52:44. > :52:47.into the bucket, then straight into the pan. When it comes to a choice
:52:48. > :52:54.between our posh chips and yours, which will they go for? Is probably
:52:55. > :53:00.mine because they are better. Are you up for the competition? Any
:53:01. > :53:07.time. Fighting talk. The person I have got making my fresh posh chips
:53:08. > :53:14.know something about food. The 2013 Masterchef champion Stephen. First
:53:15. > :53:18.up, polenta chips. It is ground cornmeal and often seen as peasant
:53:19. > :53:25.food. We have added Parmesan to it, fresh rosemary and blitzed it with
:53:26. > :53:32.salt to finish it off. What is next? Triple cooked duck fat chip. What is
:53:33. > :53:37.the benefit of triple cooking? To reduce the water content and get as
:53:38. > :53:42.much flavour as possible into it. The third is my personal favourite,
:53:43. > :53:47.the truffle chip. We will brush them with truffle oil and salt and
:53:48. > :53:51.freshly grated white truffle. Travels can cost thousands of pounds
:53:52. > :53:56.a kilo so how realistic would it be to put these on the menu of a
:53:57. > :54:01.chippy? In terms of the workload, very realistic but in terms of
:54:02. > :54:06.price, that is where it can get more difficult. Have you got any chance
:54:07. > :54:09.against the traditional chips? A fantastic chance. It is just
:54:10. > :54:18.persuading his customers to eat ours. The battle lines are drawn and
:54:19. > :54:23.it is showtime. Normally the polenta chips are ?4 a portion and the
:54:24. > :54:30.truffle chips ?10. All chips are for sale at the regular price of ?2.
:54:31. > :54:37.They both favoured the Marys Piper potato, so it is all in the cooking.
:54:38. > :54:49.Can I interest you in my posh chips? Duck fat. I would go with the
:54:50. > :54:56.regular chips. That is nice. I like the duck fat ones. I like the
:54:57. > :54:59.truffle chips. They taste nice but there is something weird. To be
:55:00. > :55:14.honest, I prefer the traditional ones. Too much cheese. Roy's is
:55:15. > :55:19.better. I am starting to struggle so with his back turned, I head into
:55:20. > :55:24.the cafe for some dirty tricks. You have a rest. That afternoon. Can I
:55:25. > :55:30.take your order and recommend my special posh chips? They are much
:55:31. > :55:36.better than Roy's. I can take the plate away and bring you back a
:55:37. > :55:40.plate of truffle chips. Go on, then. I have sneaked in some cheeky half
:55:41. > :55:54.portions, but is it enough? I have got nine and you have got 10.5, so
:55:55. > :55:57.you are the winner. Well done. Would you ever put the posh chips on your
:55:58. > :56:01.menu? Maybe. But I think it would take too long. Congratulations on
:56:02. > :56:05.your win. Young people are usually a truthful
:56:06. > :56:10.barometer when it comes to food, so what do you think of the polenta
:56:11. > :56:16.chips, the triple cooked and the duck fat? Scrumptious. You have
:56:17. > :56:21.nearly eaten all of them so that is a good sign. We are now going to
:56:22. > :56:25.meet some very important people. Some chip shop heroes. This is
:56:26. > :56:29.Bettina Dawson and she has worked at the same chip shop was 77 years and
:56:30. > :56:41.she has wrapped half a million chips. -- for 77 years. Amazing to
:56:42. > :56:46.have you here. Ten years ago I sold 1 million. Who knows what the
:56:47. > :56:52.statistics are? Don't get bogged down. What do you make of posh
:56:53. > :56:56.chips? I have never heard of them. You just chuck them in the fryer.
:56:57. > :57:03.What is your secret recipe with the oil? That would be telling. Can you
:57:04. > :57:11.remember how much a bag of chips cost in 1936? Just a penny. And that
:57:12. > :57:20.was proper chips, not posh chips. And you are off to the Palace to be
:57:21. > :57:27.recognised. It is the British Empire medal. Only three people in Dumfries
:57:28. > :57:31.and Galloway have got it. They are ever so proud of you. Now we are
:57:32. > :57:36.going to find out why Steph Celik from Yorkshire is a chip shop hero.
:57:37. > :57:48.Let's find out why. I am the fastest chip rapper in the world. You have
:57:49. > :57:53.to put 350 grams of chips in a bag, salt and vinegar, and wrapped up
:57:54. > :57:59.with two pieces of paper. That is what the Outnumbered group are going
:58:00. > :58:03.to do. You know what you are doing? Two shovels in. Two pieces of paper.
:58:04. > :58:09.Salt and vinegar. Go for your life now. Here we go. They have put them
:58:10. > :58:25.on the floor! You have got 15 seconds left! Get
:58:26. > :58:31.them in. That is one. Come on. Keep going. Another eight seconds. You
:58:32. > :58:39.can do this. Four, three, two, one. That is it. Very good, Tyger. There
:58:40. > :58:47.we are. Thanks to our chip shop heroes and well done to the chip
:58:48. > :58:52.wrappers. Outnumbered is nine o'clock tonight on BBC One. And Hot
:58:53. > :58:57.Flush tours in the UK from March the 4th starting in Wimbledon. Tomorrow
:58:58. > :58:59.Clare Balding will be here to talk about all things Britain in the
:59:00. > :59:02.Winter Olympics. Goodbye.