:00:21. > :00:27.Welcome to the show. Tonight's guest can be summed up by the title
:00:27. > :00:31.of her most iconic song. I'll give you a clue. Girls just want to...
:00:31. > :00:37.Seymour of the legs of that bloke that Andy Murray has just played.
:00:37. > :00:46.It's good but it's not right. him drown his sorrows? That would
:00:46. > :00:56.also be lovely, but it's this... Girls just want to have fun. It's
:00:56. > :00:57.
:00:57. > :01:04.Tell us, are you a fan of the tennis? Everybody watches it. I'm
:01:04. > :01:10.not big on sports but I like to watch Serena Williams. Huge
:01:10. > :01:15.congratulations to Andy Murray. was just watching it. Andy's mother,
:01:15. > :01:21.Judy Murray, has been embarrassing debate by saying she really fancies
:01:21. > :01:27.Feliciano Lopez. Do you think he's worth a wolf whistle? Yeah, come on,
:01:27. > :01:34.he's working out hard. If you have an embarrassing mum, or if you are
:01:34. > :01:40.an embarrassing mum yourself, send us a photo. Do tell us why. Have
:01:40. > :01:45.you been an embarrassing mum, you have a son who is 13, Declyn?
:01:45. > :01:52.is the age. I went to picking up one time from work. He was playing
:01:52. > :02:02.lacrosse. I picked him up from practice. He said, you are so
:02:02. > :02:02.
:02:02. > :02:12.embarrassing! You came, you looked just like Cyndi Lauper! I am! But
:02:12. > :02:13.
:02:13. > :02:17.he's a great kid. I was just telling them how many mothers the
:02:17. > :02:21.lessons - match how many lessons the mother probably drove her son
:02:21. > :02:25.took through his life. If there's one thing a journalist loves, it's
:02:25. > :02:29.telling the people juicy secrets. But our very own journalist, John
:02:29. > :02:33.Sergeant, has a story of why a loose tongue could land you in jail.
:02:33. > :02:39.The key thing when you're talking about the Official Secrets Act is
:02:39. > :02:44.to have a good disguise. The Act is designed to prevent foreign powers
:02:44. > :02:49.stealing away secrets... Or is it? No, everyone is covered by this Act.
:02:49. > :02:54.None of us is meant to have official secret information. When I
:02:54. > :03:01.joined the BBC years ago, I was officially told that I must abide
:03:01. > :03:05.by the Act. So what is the thinking behind this legislation? Professor
:03:05. > :03:10.Keith Jeffries is the only outsider to be giving unrestricted access to
:03:10. > :03:16.the early files of MI6, when the Official Secrets Act started in
:03:16. > :03:19.1911. This is a moment of national paranoia. They are really afraid of
:03:19. > :03:23.German spies swarming across the country. Did they know much about
:03:23. > :03:28.what spies would be like? They didn't have a clue. They thought
:03:28. > :03:31.that any German was potentially a spy. They were worried about German
:03:31. > :03:35.waiters and hairdressers. There were people who believed you could
:03:35. > :03:39.tell spies and Germans by the shape of their head. What did the act
:03:39. > :03:44.changed? For the first time, it established that all government
:03:44. > :03:48.information was secret. And that all government servants had to keep
:03:48. > :03:52.everything secret. If they revealed any information in the purpose of
:03:52. > :03:57.their employment, that they could be prosecuted under the Act.
:03:57. > :04:02.years ago, the short-lived News on Sunday revealed that if you read
:04:02. > :04:07.this you could be sent to prison but two years. And what was this?
:04:07. > :04:17.It was the menu from the Ministry of Defence. Which revealed for the
:04:17. > :04:18.
:04:18. > :04:23.first time that spaghetti bolognese cost 75p. It's �5.85 now. It's easy
:04:23. > :04:29.to poke fun at the Official Secrets Act. But break it, and you could
:04:29. > :04:33.face jail, an unlimited fine or both. Catherine Dunne was a GCHQ
:04:33. > :04:38.translator who leaked secrets of the preparations for the Iraq war.
:04:38. > :04:41.She could have been jailed for two years. She has moved to Turkey but,
:04:41. > :04:46.thanks to the internet, we've been able to contact her and she is keen
:04:46. > :04:52.to explain why she decided to break the law and ruin her career. At the
:04:52. > :04:58.time I just wanted to get the information out and try and make a
:04:58. > :05:07.difference. I felt what I did was to prevent an imminent war that
:05:07. > :05:12.would cost the lives of thousands. As it happened, it didn't work.
:05:12. > :05:16.her surprise the case was dropped at the start of her trial. For her
:05:16. > :05:20.supporters, the climbdown exposed the irrelevance of the Act.
:05:20. > :05:25.acted out of conscience. She wasn't a spy or anything of that kind. The
:05:25. > :05:28.idea that you should use the big stick of the Official Secrets Act
:05:28. > :05:32.against a conscience stricken whistleblower is wrong and out of
:05:32. > :05:35.date. The Official Secrets Act is a hangover from wartime.
:05:35. > :05:39.governments are bound to want to keep their secrets secret. That's
:05:39. > :05:44.the problem. Politicians don't want to have their grubby little secrets
:05:44. > :05:48.exposed. So Whitehall and Westminster have every incentive to
:05:49. > :05:52.retain the Act. And therefore, the only way you will get it stopped or
:05:52. > :05:55.reform despite pressure from outside. One of the biggest threats
:05:55. > :06:02.to government secrets comes from the internet. Thousands of
:06:02. > :06:07.confidential documents have been published by WikiLeaks. So has the
:06:07. > :06:10.Official Secrets Act had its day? It still embodies the notion that
:06:10. > :06:14.all government information is secret unless the Government
:06:14. > :06:17.chooses to release it. And that means as well as hiding genuine
:06:17. > :06:20.national secrets, there's the potential and sometimes the
:06:20. > :06:27.suspicion that governments might hide things for embarrassment
:06:27. > :06:33.reasons. That's not good enough. The government has become more open
:06:33. > :06:36.in recent years. We know that is the headquarters of MI6. But within
:06:36. > :06:43.that building there are still plenty of secrets. And so there
:06:43. > :06:47.should be. Lovely hat, John. He looked smart. Talking of the Act,
:06:47. > :06:51.you got to be careful what you say to hairdressers. Yet, but he
:06:51. > :06:55.doesn't look like you say it's a long time in the chair. You don't
:06:55. > :06:59.know what's going on and do that hat. That's true. George Bernard
:06:59. > :07:03.Shaw once famously said that as Brits and you Americans were two
:07:04. > :07:10.countries separated by a common language. It's true. Talking of
:07:10. > :07:15.languages, I'm not so great. Alex speaks Welsh and Inglis form --.
:07:15. > :07:23.But now there are a number of mobile phone apps that translator
:07:23. > :07:30.at the touch of a button. When we Brits go abroad and of faced with
:07:30. > :07:35.the language barrier, things can get a little bit embarrassing.
:07:35. > :07:39.Thank you for speaking English. not any more. Technology has come
:07:39. > :07:44.to the rescue. I've hopped off the Eurostar and arrived in Paris. I'm
:07:44. > :07:47.going to spend all day speaking French using only this to help the.
:07:47. > :07:51.My phone is armed with an application which can translate my
:07:51. > :07:56.voice into French and from French back into English. And I don't have
:07:56. > :08:05.to write a message or look up the words. I want to do some
:08:05. > :08:10.sightseeing. I'm going to see it can translate, where is the Louvre.
:08:10. > :08:20.Where is the Louvre? It's working. Where is Billy's? Minor teething
:08:20. > :08:22.
:08:22. > :08:32.problems. Where is the museum? I'm going to put in the Louvre. One
:08:32. > :08:51.
:08:51. > :08:58.Merci. Nitro wheels are Hayes. That's confusing in any language!
:08:58. > :09:03.Let's help the app out by speaking slower. It is far and take the
:09:03. > :09:09.Metro. We have figured out that I need to get to a Metro. Merci, au
:09:09. > :09:19.revoir. We are underground. I want to find out how to buy a ticket.
:09:19. > :09:21.
:09:21. > :09:28.One ticket, please. What do you think? It's good? Very good.
:09:28. > :09:38.Success! It worked, I got my ticket. I made it. The first part of my
:09:38. > :09:45.
:09:45. > :09:51.Time to reward myself with an ice cream. What fragrance? I'm guessing
:09:51. > :10:01.that means flavour. This is working a treat. Off to the Eiffel Tower.
:10:01. > :10:09.
:10:09. > :10:19.I wonder what my cab driver thinks Another Parisian landmark, and I
:10:19. > :10:21.
:10:21. > :10:26.can't leave here without having my It's been a bit hit and miss. So do
:10:26. > :10:29.the apps make us recognise it's not perfect? It is dependent on the
:10:29. > :10:33.noise around you and whatever else is going on and the connection you
:10:33. > :10:38.have. Let's not forget this was an element of almost science-fiction
:10:38. > :10:41.10 years ago, now it's a reality. We are breaking barriers. We are
:10:41. > :10:45.enabling people from different cultures to embrace and communicate
:10:45. > :10:55.with each other. The final and most important test is the language of
:10:55. > :10:59.
:10:59. > :11:09.I think this is going to be worth understanding! Could you repeat it
:11:09. > :11:16.
:11:16. > :11:22.It makes me very happy to see you. Did you notice that was the only
:11:22. > :11:28.phrase that she didn't actually Query? All he was trying to say was
:11:28. > :11:33.Nitro wheels are Haye. Cyndi, you are quoted as saying I'd do speak
:11:33. > :11:40.the Queen's English, just the wrong Queens, it's over be 59th Bridge in
:11:40. > :11:45.New York. Do people struggle sometimes to understand you? No, I
:11:45. > :11:50.think it's really great when I come here because you all have an accent.
:11:50. > :11:54.It's a really thick accent to me. I feel comfortable because I have an
:11:54. > :12:00.accent, too. Especially if I go to Australia, they we have an accent.
:12:00. > :12:06.I don't mind your accent because it makes me... I like accents. What
:12:06. > :12:10.about County Durham, here? It's nice. I think it's great to have an
:12:10. > :12:15.accent. You know where people are from, it's the flavour of the world.
:12:15. > :12:20.You are back on tour, touring Europe. I am. With music in a
:12:20. > :12:30.different style to what people might accept -- expect. Edit a
:12:30. > :12:30.
:12:30. > :12:38.Blues CD. -- idea Day Blues CD. It's been quite extraordinary for
:12:38. > :12:43.me. I feel so lucky. To be singing this, it's Blues but we mix it up.
:12:43. > :12:47.It's kind of a fabulous gift to be able to go back, because when I
:12:48. > :12:52.started singing I was in a Janis Joplin cover band. I kind of went
:12:52. > :13:02.back and started again. You are sounding great. We've got a clip of
:13:02. > :13:19.
:13:19. > :13:29.# Early this morning. # All that's left arm my shattered
:13:29. > :13:30.
:13:30. > :13:36.dreams... You do sound incredible. Have you completely ditched the old
:13:36. > :13:41.songs? No, that's what I was trying to tell you. We do them with a
:13:41. > :13:51.blues flavour. It's kind of fun. It's hilarious to me. I have a
:13:51. > :13:53.
:13:53. > :13:58.blast. I do goals -- Girls Just Want To Have Fun. I meant that song
:13:58. > :14:03.to empower women. Being part of a song like that which gives
:14:03. > :14:11.empowerment to women all over the world is fantastic. It's become an
:14:11. > :14:17.anthem. It's always been. On we go. Many things have been used to heal
:14:17. > :14:21.wounds over the years that leave a nasty taste in your mouth. Leeches,
:14:22. > :14:28.maggots, even intestinal parasites. Enough - people are eating their
:14:28. > :14:36.tea! The latest from Birmingham is far from sour. It's quite sweet.
:14:36. > :14:41.Its sugar. A bats better. -- that is better. When it comes to
:14:41. > :14:45.treating wounds, infection is the number one enemy. It can even be
:14:45. > :14:48.life threatening. Here at the new Queen Elizabeth Hospital in
:14:48. > :14:53.Birmingham, a pioneering study is looking at a sweet solution to
:14:53. > :15:00.wound healing. Ordinary sugar, the stuff we put in our tea. It's
:15:00. > :15:06.proving an effective solution. This nursing lecturer is the man who's
:15:06. > :15:10.convinced the NHS to take this treatment seriously. He grew up in
:15:10. > :15:20.Zimbabwe. With no money for medicine, his father treated his
:15:20. > :15:20.
:15:20. > :15:29.wounds with sugar. UCATT yourself and you turn to sugar. He was
:15:29. > :15:39.pouring sugar on to the wound? The tie the sugar around it.
:15:39. > :15:39.
:15:39. > :15:43.would rip off a bit of his shirt, When Moses first arrived in the UK,
:15:43. > :15:50.he was surprised to see that we were not using sugar in our
:15:50. > :15:54.hospitals. He has fought to win approval to test it on patients.
:15:54. > :15:58.Malcolm Day had a skin graft on his elbow in 2009 after an insect bite
:15:58. > :16:04.became infected. But the skin covering his joined refuses to heal.
:16:04. > :16:11.He started sugar treatment 24 hours ago. Malcolm, it is about the size
:16:11. > :16:17.of a 10 pence piece on the edge of your elbow. It looks very sore.
:16:17. > :16:21.is not so red as it was yesterday. Sugar Greece poured on to cause,
:16:21. > :16:27.then carefully rolled onto the wind. Depending on size and severity of
:16:27. > :16:31.the wind, the sugar dressing can be replaced as often as twice a day.
:16:31. > :16:36.This is not the first time sweet stuff has been used by the NHS.
:16:36. > :16:41.Clinical trials have shown that honey has anti-bacterial properties
:16:41. > :16:45.and can promote wound healing. But Moses' research centres on sugar,
:16:45. > :16:48.as it is readily available, and perhaps more importantly to the NHS,
:16:48. > :16:53.it is cheap. So what other properties of sugar that enable it
:16:53. > :16:59.to fight infection in wounds? It all centres on sugar's ability to
:16:59. > :17:06.absorb moisture. The bacteria that cause the infection need water to
:17:06. > :17:12.survive. As you pour sugar run to the wind, it sucks up the water,
:17:12. > :17:16.dehydrating and killing any bacteria. Moses has won support for
:17:16. > :17:24.his sugar treatment from a hospital consultant, who is backing the
:17:24. > :17:27.project. He himself used sugar to treat gunshot wounds in Kenya.
:17:27. > :17:32.dressings for wounds need to be absorbent, nonadherent and capable
:17:32. > :17:39.of suppressing infection. Sugar ticks the boxes. And it is widely
:17:39. > :17:43.available, cheap and well tolerated. They have now started a full
:17:43. > :17:46.clinical trial of the sugar treatment that will take up to 18
:17:46. > :17:52.months to complete. For patients like Malcolm Day, sugar treatment
:17:52. > :17:56.is already proving effective. After 48 hours, his wind has improved
:17:57. > :18:00.significantly. Sugar treatments cost just �1.50 on average per
:18:00. > :18:05.patient. So if the trial proves successful, there could save the
:18:05. > :18:11.NHS a fortune and be available on wards like this within two years.
:18:11. > :18:15.Something to think about next time you asked one lump or two?
:18:16. > :18:20.Had is definitely a cheap alternative. He said you are
:18:20. > :18:24.desperately trying to give up sugar. Yes, it is very hard, because it is
:18:24. > :18:29.in everything. And it promotes yeast all the time. I guess it
:18:30. > :18:36.works great on wounds. It is quite surprising. It is surprising,
:18:36. > :18:41.because they always say Sugar is bad for you. Cyndi, in 1984, you
:18:42. > :18:45.won the first ever MTV award for Best Female Video for Girls Just
:18:45. > :18:51.Want to Have Fun. And it is still following you around. This is
:18:51. > :18:56.brilliant. This was you belting it out when you and other passengers
:18:56. > :19:01.were delayed at Buenos Aires airport. That was obviously very
:19:01. > :19:07.any Prom queue. You see that lady next to me? She was the person
:19:07. > :19:12.making the announcements, and suddenly she turned into a DJ.
:19:12. > :19:17.There was a bachelor rent party going on. And when the flight was
:19:17. > :19:20.delayed, they started the party. They were dressed in Carnival
:19:20. > :19:23.because it was carnival time, and the poor bride had a thing on her
:19:23. > :19:29.head. They blindfolded her and they were singing over the microphone.
:19:29. > :19:34.And then there was a rugby team, and they were chanting. And then
:19:34. > :19:41.suddenly they were like Cyndi is here, and she is going to sing. I
:19:42. > :19:46.thought, this is just like the movie. They are so funny, too.
:19:46. > :19:51.1984, when you won the award, that must have been an amazing feeling.
:19:51. > :19:55.Well, I was nominated for seven and I was so glad to win one, because
:19:55. > :20:00.my mom was there. And I wore the tiara and wanted to be Queen of
:20:00. > :20:06.something. Did you realise at the time that you were going to plays
:20:06. > :20:14.this trail for women in pop? Well, I would have loved to have done
:20:14. > :20:21.that anyway so, because I think sisterhood is powerful. We have a
:20:21. > :20:25.lovely picture of you with Lady Gaga. You are certainly have a role
:20:25. > :20:32.model. You know, she does her own thing. She is very much into art
:20:32. > :20:40.and sculpture. It was really enjoyable to do that campaign with
:20:40. > :20:48.her. I never felt like a freak. I could just relax. We raised a lot
:20:48. > :20:52.of money for AIDS awareness. have played Glastonbury and spent a
:20:52. > :20:59.lot of -- you have played Glasgow and you seem to have Scotland?
:20:59. > :21:05.I have friends there. My friend Angela is also a singer. She is
:21:05. > :21:10.from there, and they held a party for me. All the musicians got
:21:10. > :21:18.together and they played fiddle music. It was wonderful. As a treat,
:21:18. > :21:22.we have made you or Lady Lauper of Lochaber. We have sorted you're a
:21:22. > :21:29.bit of land in the Highlands. We planted an oak tree there for you.
:21:29. > :21:37.There is the proof. Thank you. That is so sweet! Earlier, we asked for
:21:37. > :21:44.pictures of your embarrassing mums. We have had loads. Here is Hannah
:21:44. > :21:53.with Herr embarrassing mum no Greece. -- Louise. What have you
:21:53. > :22:00.got? Lauren says, my mom does all she can to embarrass me, but I love
:22:00. > :22:06.her dearly. This is Kirsten and Jess. This is their mum. They say
:22:06. > :22:11.she asks for random things and stars ram conversations in shops.
:22:11. > :22:16.am sure Billy's mum, when he is older, will thank him for that.
:22:16. > :22:20.went out of her way. My son would be embarrassed of the shot with me
:22:20. > :22:24.holding my MTV award. The Memphis Blues tour continues at London hums