Death of Rock

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0:00:02 > 0:00:06This programme contains strong language

0:00:06 > 0:00:08# Oh, I wish I was in Dixie

0:00:08 > 0:00:10# Away, away... #

0:00:13 > 0:00:15Wow...

0:00:15 > 0:00:19In this room, on this toilet, a vital part of rock history died.

0:00:20 > 0:00:24To many people, Mr Elvis Presley simply was rock 'n' roll,

0:00:24 > 0:00:27even when he got older and got a bit tubby.

0:00:27 > 0:00:32Before Mr Presley died, he ate a huge meal and I have here

0:00:32 > 0:00:37the coroner's report, which details the exact menu he ate.

0:00:37 > 0:00:41Nine 12-inch, deep-crust ham and pineapple pizzas,

0:00:41 > 0:00:42one roast pig,

0:00:42 > 0:00:44a can of Fanta,

0:00:44 > 0:00:46six side orders of fries,

0:00:46 > 0:00:47some bacon bits,

0:00:47 > 0:00:5012 burgers, four cobs,

0:00:50 > 0:00:51one Kentucky fried duck,

0:00:51 > 0:00:53a lion bar, a banana,

0:00:53 > 0:00:55a pint of eggs,

0:00:55 > 0:00:57a box of Dairylea Lunchables,

0:00:57 > 0:00:58some more Fanta,

0:00:58 > 0:01:00three Peperamis,

0:01:00 > 0:01:03nine pots of Chambourcy Hippopotamousse,

0:01:03 > 0:01:05two tins of peaches,

0:01:05 > 0:01:06some more Fanta

0:01:06 > 0:01:08and one pistachio nut.

0:01:09 > 0:01:13Mr Elvis Aaron Presley was discovered around 3am

0:01:13 > 0:01:16in this toilet, drenched in Fanta

0:01:16 > 0:01:19and face-down in his own gizzards.

0:01:19 > 0:01:21But it wasn't food that killed Elvis.

0:01:21 > 0:01:26It was success, too much of it, too quick and too fast.

0:01:26 > 0:01:29This week on The Life Of Rock we look at death,

0:01:29 > 0:01:31the end of rock.

0:01:44 > 0:01:47BELL TOLLS

0:01:48 > 0:01:50From a record company's point of view,

0:01:50 > 0:01:52death isn't always a bad thing. They love a death.

0:01:52 > 0:01:54The Doors wouldn't have sold anywhere near as many records

0:01:54 > 0:01:56if Jim Morrison had stayed alive.

0:01:56 > 0:01:58He'd probably be a judge on American Idol now.

0:01:58 > 0:02:00With his own range of pasta sauces.

0:02:02 > 0:02:06The biggest killer of lives and careers in this business

0:02:06 > 0:02:08is undoubtedly drugs.

0:02:08 > 0:02:09I, personally, have never taken them

0:02:09 > 0:02:12and if you speak to many of the great artists

0:02:12 > 0:02:14who worked in the '60s and '70s,

0:02:14 > 0:02:16the '80s and the '90s, even now,

0:02:16 > 0:02:19they will have known or worked with someone who has died

0:02:19 > 0:02:21taking the stuff.

0:02:21 > 0:02:23Brian says he never took drugs, right.

0:02:23 > 0:02:26He was too tight to buy drugs, that's what I'm trying to tell you.

0:02:26 > 0:02:28He had midget's arms and clown's pockets.

0:02:28 > 0:02:31You couldn't get the guy to buy a fucking round of drinks,

0:02:31 > 0:02:34never mind go out and buy a big bag of cocaine, for God's sake.

0:02:34 > 0:02:36No, they were dropping like flies.

0:02:36 > 0:02:39We're not talking about the odd joint and a pint of Parson's Punnet.

0:02:39 > 0:02:41This was mainlining heroin, three bottles of vodka...

0:02:41 > 0:02:43I mean, you'd show up at a party somewhere,

0:02:43 > 0:02:46you'd be having a nice chat with someone, you'd pop off,

0:02:46 > 0:02:48get yourself a pineapple and cheese on a stick.

0:02:48 > 0:02:50By the time you got back, they were dead.

0:02:50 > 0:02:51Often, when I went to parties,

0:02:51 > 0:02:54I'd be very concerned about the company I kept.

0:02:54 > 0:02:55If I saw anyone doing this...

0:02:58 > 0:03:00- ..I'd leave. - And if the press got wind of it,

0:03:00 > 0:03:03you'd get linked to that death, it'd hit your album sales.

0:03:04 > 0:03:06Makes you look very callous.

0:03:07 > 0:03:10Even getting the stuff could cause major problems,

0:03:10 > 0:03:12especially at the airport.

0:03:12 > 0:03:15Keith Richards got arrested for possession of heroin.

0:03:15 > 0:03:16In Japan, my old mucker, Macca,

0:03:16 > 0:03:20got pulled for having a bit of wacky baccy in his pockets.

0:03:20 > 0:03:22We got a load of seeds, kind of in the post.

0:03:23 > 0:03:25We didn't know what they were.

0:03:25 > 0:03:28We planted them all and five of them came up like...

0:03:28 > 0:03:30Five of them came up illegal.

0:03:30 > 0:03:33And Bjork-a also caused a stir when she arrived at Heathrow.

0:03:39 > 0:03:41She wasn't on drugs.

0:03:41 > 0:03:42She was just crackers.

0:03:43 > 0:03:46Someone like George Michael has survived a series of scandals,

0:03:46 > 0:03:49largely because no-one else has ever been harmed other than him,

0:03:49 > 0:03:51which is why he's still got fans and a career.

0:03:51 > 0:03:55Had he crashed into Happy Snaps and wiped out a few of the staff,

0:03:55 > 0:03:58instead of the window and the HP all-in-one colour copier,

0:03:58 > 0:04:00it'd be a completely different story.

0:04:00 > 0:04:02Scandal and rock music go hand in hand.

0:04:02 > 0:04:05But with the right scandal, you can sell a million,

0:04:05 > 0:04:08but your reputation can also take a bit of a bashing.

0:04:08 > 0:04:12'I got in hot water myself when I appeared on Saturday Night Live...'

0:04:12 > 0:04:14Lies!

0:04:14 > 0:04:16'..and tore up a picture of the Fonz.'

0:04:18 > 0:04:21E-vil!

0:04:21 > 0:04:23Looking back, I stand by what I did.

0:04:23 > 0:04:25For me, Happy Days symbolised everything

0:04:25 > 0:04:27that was wrong with America -

0:04:27 > 0:04:32a middle-aged Elvis impersonator kicking a jukebox and saying, "Ay!"

0:04:32 > 0:04:34And everyone cheers and claps,

0:04:34 > 0:04:36whilst across the world they're causing havoc

0:04:36 > 0:04:39with their aggressive foreign policy.

0:04:39 > 0:04:40It was just jet lag.

0:04:40 > 0:04:42# Come on, baby

0:04:42 > 0:04:44# You drive me crazy... #

0:04:44 > 0:04:47Jerry Lee Lewis's Great Balls Of Fire caused him

0:04:47 > 0:04:50great balls of trouble when he married a 13-year-old girl.

0:04:50 > 0:04:52You can't do that over here, buster.

0:04:52 > 0:04:56Bill Wyman had to wait three years before he could marry Mandy Smith

0:04:56 > 0:04:58and they lived happily ever after,

0:04:58 > 0:04:59for two months.

0:04:59 > 0:05:02First wife - homemaker, supportive, mother of his first child,

0:05:02 > 0:05:05usually met him before he was famous, put up with the poverty,

0:05:05 > 0:05:09helped him achieve his dream of stardom which enabled him

0:05:09 > 0:05:12to get the second wife who's got a prettier face and a smaller bum.

0:05:12 > 0:05:14- NEWS REPORT:- 'Mandy was only 13 when they met,

0:05:14 > 0:05:16'and their affair caused a scandal.'

0:05:16 > 0:05:20There was a few problems on the way but we finally made it.

0:05:20 > 0:05:21After a couple of weeks,

0:05:21 > 0:05:23they realised they've got nothing else to say,

0:05:23 > 0:05:27so he pines for the first wife who's since run off with the bloke

0:05:27 > 0:05:30who made the Victorian rocking horses for the kid he left behind

0:05:30 > 0:05:32when he was making the difficult album in Monterey.

0:05:32 > 0:05:35I'm glad he's finally taken the plunge.

0:05:35 > 0:05:39I don't think it's a good match. I said I'm happy for him.

0:05:39 > 0:05:41I don't know anything about it.

0:05:41 > 0:05:44- Do you think he'll settle down? - That's another story. I don't know.

0:05:44 > 0:05:46If you pick up the phone,

0:05:46 > 0:05:48we might be able to dig up some nasty questions

0:05:48 > 0:05:50- about your past for you.- Mmm.

0:05:50 > 0:05:51But not all younger women fall

0:05:51 > 0:05:54for the charms of a middle-aged rock star.

0:05:54 > 0:05:55Hello, Elaine.

0:05:55 > 0:05:57Actually, Kate, it's me, Brian Pern,

0:05:57 > 0:05:59and I need to speak to you very seriously.

0:05:59 > 0:06:02- Yeah.- I'm not very good at this sort of thing.

0:06:03 > 0:06:04So here goes...

0:06:04 > 0:06:06I'm sorry about this, folks.

0:06:06 > 0:06:07I'm in love with you.

0:06:07 > 0:06:09I have left my wife

0:06:09 > 0:06:12and I want to swap my old life for a new life with you.

0:06:12 > 0:06:14We can have chickens and stuff...

0:06:16 > 0:06:17..and make wine.

0:06:17 > 0:06:20I'm outside the house. Let me in the window, please.

0:06:20 > 0:06:25Brian, of course, discovered Kate and organised all her demos,

0:06:25 > 0:06:26he played keyboards on

0:06:26 > 0:06:30Heathcliff, It's Me, Cathy, Let Me In Your Window,

0:06:30 > 0:06:33and loads of people were asking questions.

0:06:33 > 0:06:34We all knew something was going on

0:06:34 > 0:06:37cos he was married to Cindy at the time.

0:06:39 > 0:06:41It wasn't much fun watching that back,

0:06:41 > 0:06:43and that's a warning about drinking and dialling.

0:06:43 > 0:06:46Especially drinking and dialling to kids' shows.

0:06:46 > 0:06:47It made the papers.

0:06:47 > 0:06:50Managed to get his latest song to number 32 and, anyway,

0:06:50 > 0:06:53his wife was shagging Mike Batt, so what the fuck.

0:06:53 > 0:06:56# I am just a new boy... #

0:06:56 > 0:06:58Aside from drink, drugs and women,

0:06:58 > 0:07:00touring is the next biggest killer.

0:07:01 > 0:07:04Touring makes a man.

0:07:04 > 0:07:05It can also break a man.

0:07:07 > 0:07:10Why are roadies always men?

0:07:10 > 0:07:12All those awful, pasty men from Birmingham,

0:07:12 > 0:07:14bending down showing their fucking cracks.

0:07:14 > 0:07:18Why not have a young bird in a tight boiler suit or hot pants?

0:07:18 > 0:07:21That would have been something to look at.

0:07:21 > 0:07:23I wonder if Pink Floyd ever played the biscuit game.

0:07:25 > 0:07:27INTERVIEWER: What's the biscuit game?

0:07:28 > 0:07:30- Uh...- INTERVIEWER: How do you entertain yourselves?

0:07:30 > 0:07:33I'd rather not say how we entertained ourselves.

0:07:33 > 0:07:35I had them all, all the big dogs.

0:07:35 > 0:07:39Jimmy P, Jimmy H, Jiminy Cricket.

0:07:39 > 0:07:41It was the '70s, that's what we did.

0:07:43 > 0:07:47I made moulds of their yam bags, you know?

0:07:47 > 0:07:49Their ball sacks!

0:07:49 > 0:07:51This is James Taylor right here.

0:07:51 > 0:07:53This is Carlos Santana's.

0:07:53 > 0:07:55These are Midge Ure's.

0:07:56 > 0:07:59Life on the road is a bit like anal sex.

0:07:59 > 0:08:01It starts off fun and exciting

0:08:01 > 0:08:03but it ends up a pain in the arse.

0:08:03 > 0:08:05Touring is boring.

0:08:05 > 0:08:09It's just dull, Kansas City on a wet Thursday afternoon,

0:08:09 > 0:08:11it's just...

0:08:11 > 0:08:14Every hotel room looks the same, and I'm sure Thotch and Brian Pern

0:08:14 > 0:08:19went through all that, you know, and that is enough to break any band up.

0:08:21 > 0:08:22When an artist goes solo,

0:08:22 > 0:08:25it doesn't always lead to the death of a band.

0:08:25 > 0:08:28In fact it can be a creative rebirth.

0:08:28 > 0:08:31# Waiting in the garden, by the shed

0:08:31 > 0:08:32# I saw you washing

0:08:32 > 0:08:34# Then making up your bed

0:08:34 > 0:08:37# Creeping through the bushes, over the fence

0:08:37 > 0:08:40# Into the window in the bathroom instead

0:08:40 > 0:08:42# I'm taking off my smalls

0:08:42 > 0:08:45# Do you mind if I have a bath?

0:08:45 > 0:08:46# Where's your flannel?

0:08:46 > 0:08:49# Let me wash and I'll use up your flannel

0:08:49 > 0:08:52# Ah-aah... #

0:08:52 > 0:08:56I finally left Thotch to pursue my solo career in 1978.

0:08:56 > 0:08:58It allowed me to have creative freedom

0:08:58 > 0:09:01and make the music I was interested in

0:09:01 > 0:09:03and them to make what they were interested in

0:09:03 > 0:09:06without me breathing down their necks.

0:09:06 > 0:09:07# Was ist das? Was ist das? #

0:09:07 > 0:09:09Did we miss Brian when he left?

0:09:11 > 0:09:12Of course not.

0:09:12 > 0:09:15He was becoming a fucking pain in the bottom.

0:09:15 > 0:09:18Thotch were more than just a band to us. They were everything.

0:09:18 > 0:09:20They were part of our development, our lives,

0:09:20 > 0:09:23they were a unifying force, and Brian...

0:09:23 > 0:09:25chose to throw it all away...

0:09:26 > 0:09:28..in pursuit of commercial success

0:09:28 > 0:09:31doing those rubbish songs that he did.

0:09:31 > 0:09:36Brian Pern left a really important group that people really loved

0:09:36 > 0:09:37and went into the wilderness.

0:09:37 > 0:09:42He went into the wilderness and then came back and used Plasticine

0:09:42 > 0:09:45and made Spirit Level and everybody loved him again.

0:09:45 > 0:09:47CALYPSO MUSIC

0:09:52 > 0:09:55Brian had a transatlantic number one right out of the blue

0:09:55 > 0:09:57with Spirit Level.

0:09:57 > 0:09:58Who'd have thought it?

0:09:58 > 0:10:01And, ironically, knocking Thotch off the top.

0:10:05 > 0:10:09What people forget is that, at that point in time,

0:10:09 > 0:10:13Brian Pern was to Thotch what Paul McCartney was to Wings.

0:10:13 > 0:10:16So it was like Wings carrying on without Paul McCartney.

0:10:16 > 0:10:18That probably wouldn't have worked.

0:10:18 > 0:10:19But as it happens,

0:10:19 > 0:10:25I really love the first two non-Brian Pern Thotch albums.

0:10:25 > 0:10:27Then, of course, they got shit.

0:10:27 > 0:10:29INTERVIEWER: What's it like leaving Thotch?

0:10:29 > 0:10:33Good! No, seriously, I put together a young band,

0:10:33 > 0:10:35some of the best musicians in England.

0:10:35 > 0:10:38They certainly do what they're told, anyway.

0:10:38 > 0:10:39Yeah, it's been a real challenge,

0:10:39 > 0:10:41working with Brian for the first time.

0:10:41 > 0:10:42He's, er...

0:10:42 > 0:10:45He's made me really think about my drumming.

0:10:45 > 0:10:49Last year, Brian sent me to Cambodia to...

0:10:49 > 0:10:51You know, there's been a civil war there recently,

0:10:51 > 0:10:54so when you suggested that, it was kind of, um...

0:10:56 > 0:10:58Er, well, you know, a bit of a head spin.

0:10:58 > 0:11:02I forgot to call him to ask him to come back, so he stayed out there.

0:11:02 > 0:11:03Yeah.

0:11:03 > 0:11:05For four months, wasn't I?

0:11:05 > 0:11:07- Four months... - Certainly shown in the work.

0:11:07 > 0:11:09Yeah, had an interesting month in jail as well.

0:11:09 > 0:11:10- Lost a bit of weight.- Yeah.

0:11:11 > 0:11:13These two don't speak.

0:11:13 > 0:11:15It's why I hired them.

0:11:15 > 0:11:19To be honest, I was never really enamoured with rock music.

0:11:19 > 0:11:22Tight trousers, guitar solos and four beats to the bar,

0:11:22 > 0:11:26so when I left Thotch, I travelled the world, listing for new sounds.

0:11:26 > 0:11:29MUSIC: "Gumboots" by Paul Simon

0:11:29 > 0:11:32I was like a bee landing on flowers in different lands,

0:11:32 > 0:11:35combining sounds and making a new kind of pollen,

0:11:35 > 0:11:38which is how I invented world music.

0:12:00 > 0:12:02HE GURGLES TUNEFULLY

0:12:12 > 0:12:16HE CONTINUES GURGLING

0:12:18 > 0:12:21TUNEFUL TWANGING

0:12:22 > 0:12:24She's OK, just...

0:12:24 > 0:12:26Just keep her off the drink and she'll be all right.

0:12:26 > 0:12:29HIGH-PITCHED SINGING

0:12:29 > 0:12:31- Ouch!- Pepita, can we...

0:12:31 > 0:12:33Can we have some playing without you hurting yourself?

0:12:33 > 0:12:35The pain and the music, they go together,

0:12:35 > 0:12:36just like in life, you know?

0:12:36 > 0:12:39STRANGLED: You cannot separate the two.

0:12:39 > 0:12:43Hello, I'm here with Pepita Arugo Sanchez Montaya,

0:12:43 > 0:12:46who has come from Mexico

0:12:46 > 0:12:49and she is going to help us with this song, I believe.

0:12:49 > 0:12:53I am honoured to be here. You are the James Bond man?

0:12:53 > 0:12:54- Uh, yeah.- Yeah!

0:12:54 > 0:12:57So you do... SINGING: Goldfinger!

0:12:57 > 0:13:00- Well, no, that wasn't... - It was not you?

0:13:00 > 0:13:02Did you do... SINGING: Moonraker!

0:13:02 > 0:13:04That's John Barry.

0:13:04 > 0:13:08What about... SINGING: Skyfall!

0:13:08 > 0:13:10- That wasn't me either, no. - So what did you write?

0:13:10 > 0:13:13Uh, I did Tomorrow Never Dies,

0:13:13 > 0:13:15The World Is Not Enough,

0:13:15 > 0:13:17Die Another Day, Casino Royale,

0:13:17 > 0:13:18Quantum Of Solace.

0:13:18 > 0:13:20Congratulations.

0:13:20 > 0:13:22I think if we can get this down,

0:13:22 > 0:13:24man, woman in space,

0:13:24 > 0:13:27first time they see each other.

0:13:27 > 0:13:29Heartbreak, you want heartbreak.

0:13:30 > 0:13:33# As I saw you

0:13:34 > 0:13:37# Across the Milky Way... #

0:13:37 > 0:13:38That's beautiful.

0:13:38 > 0:13:41# We could hold hands yesterday

0:13:41 > 0:13:44# But we were not alone

0:13:44 > 0:13:48- # Mmm-hmm-hmm! Ah-ah-ah - I had some powdered milk

0:13:48 > 0:13:51# Milky Way!

0:13:51 > 0:13:56# Ay-ay-ay-ay-ay-ay-ay..! #

0:13:56 > 0:13:57- I can't do this. - # In space!

0:13:57 > 0:13:59- # Oh..! # - This isn't going to work.

0:13:59 > 0:14:01# Oh!

0:14:01 > 0:14:04# I know you're waiting for me-ah! #

0:14:04 > 0:14:06That's actually from a different... That's a different song.

0:14:06 > 0:14:09But we will do it better. So we will mix together, it's called a mashup.

0:14:09 > 0:14:12If the world music world lost Brian Pern,

0:14:12 > 0:14:14it would lose a window

0:14:14 > 0:14:16into the world of music.

0:14:16 > 0:14:18- INTERVIEWER:- Do you like world music?

0:14:18 > 0:14:19Um...

0:14:19 > 0:14:21World music, uh,

0:14:21 > 0:14:22no.

0:14:22 > 0:14:24It might be better, Brian...

0:14:24 > 0:14:27- SHE HOLLERS - ..if the piece was in a booth,

0:14:27 > 0:14:28- SHE TRILLS AND BARKS - Then we got control.

0:14:28 > 0:14:30Maybe we could check the vocals.

0:14:30 > 0:14:31- You want to bring me in a box?- Yes.

0:14:31 > 0:14:34- This is not going to work.- Why?!

0:14:34 > 0:14:36- You're drunk.- I am not drunk.

0:14:36 > 0:14:42I had a tiny bit because I am nervous in front of the man from Moonraker!

0:14:42 > 0:14:44I cannot be in a box.

0:14:44 > 0:14:46- We've got a pineapple. - What does this mean?

0:14:46 > 0:14:47You are going to chop off my head?

0:14:47 > 0:14:49No, that's what they do in your country.

0:14:49 > 0:14:52When successful artists reach a certain age, things change.

0:14:52 > 0:14:56The time for throwing televisions into swimming pools is over.

0:14:56 > 0:14:58The groupies have all grown up and bought organic bakeries.

0:14:58 > 0:15:00The fourth wives are in full effect

0:15:00 > 0:15:02with their handbags and small children,

0:15:02 > 0:15:05and they're stuck alone in giant stately homes

0:15:05 > 0:15:06they can't afford to heat.

0:15:06 > 0:15:08What do they do?

0:15:08 > 0:15:11Well, those with money embark on ridiculous hobbies,

0:15:11 > 0:15:13which no-one else is interested in,

0:15:13 > 0:15:16which cost a small fortune.

0:15:16 > 0:15:18MUSIC: "Je Suis Un Rockstar" by Bill Wyman

0:15:21 > 0:15:22BRUCE ROARS

0:15:22 > 0:15:24We all made far too much money.

0:15:24 > 0:15:25Some people enjoy it,

0:15:25 > 0:15:29but after you've unloaded yourself on a thousand pairs of knockers...

0:15:29 > 0:15:31HE INHALES

0:15:31 > 0:15:33..what do you do next? I don't know.

0:15:33 > 0:15:35Hobbies? Well...

0:15:35 > 0:15:38It's just about avoiding the wife and kids, isn't it?

0:15:38 > 0:15:41- LOUD BUZZING - A lot of people use earphones,

0:15:41 > 0:15:43but being a musician, I can avoid that.

0:15:43 > 0:15:46Dad's always traditionally popped off down the garage

0:15:46 > 0:15:49to make his model aeroplanes or whatever.

0:15:49 > 0:15:51- BUZZING - Metal fillings.

0:15:51 > 0:15:53These people don't have garages.

0:15:53 > 0:15:55They've got aircraft hangers.

0:15:55 > 0:15:59- BUZZING - It does, they're great.

0:15:59 > 0:16:00Alice Cooper plays golf.

0:16:01 > 0:16:03Can't get anybody to play with him, though.

0:16:03 > 0:16:06He turns up in all that mascara, a plastic baby in his golf buggy

0:16:06 > 0:16:08and a snake round his neck. He's 62.

0:16:08 > 0:16:11And that bloke from Blur makes cheese.

0:16:11 > 0:16:14In Guantanamo Bay, they stuff cheese up the prisoners' noses

0:16:14 > 0:16:17and play Blur songs to them all day to break their spirit

0:16:17 > 0:16:18and get them to talk.

0:16:18 > 0:16:20With remarkable success, I hear.

0:16:20 > 0:16:23- INTERVIEWER:- You've done a lot for the welfare of ants, haven't you?

0:16:23 > 0:16:24Oh, ants, yeah.

0:16:24 > 0:16:27- You've got ant farms? - We used to. We've sold them now.

0:16:28 > 0:16:30At a great profit, I might add, but, yeah.

0:16:30 > 0:16:32Save the ant, mate.

0:16:32 > 0:16:35That's what I think, cos I think they're in trouble.

0:16:35 > 0:16:40I have a genuine Victorian liquorice still in my home

0:16:40 > 0:16:46and I make the occasional batch of liquorice for my children.

0:16:46 > 0:16:48They actually prefer Cadbury's Heroes.

0:16:48 > 0:16:51I say to them, "That's all very well when you're with your friends,

0:16:51 > 0:16:52"but when you're here with me,

0:16:52 > 0:16:55"it's liquorice, and it's my liquorice."

0:16:56 > 0:16:59Other rock stars have hobbies of far greater importance,

0:16:59 > 0:17:01like saving the rainforests.

0:17:03 > 0:17:06May I talk first of all to Chief Raoni?

0:17:06 > 0:17:10You've travelled thousands of miles from the Amazon to be with us.

0:17:10 > 0:17:13How are your people

0:17:13 > 0:17:15and how is the forest threatened?

0:17:15 > 0:17:18They are fucked, Terry, to be honest. Absolutely.

0:17:18 > 0:17:22They're cutting down an area the size of Milton Keynes every day

0:17:22 > 0:17:24just to make the world's envelopes.

0:17:24 > 0:17:27Is there anything about our life here that he thinks is good?

0:17:27 > 0:17:29Uh, bouncy castles.

0:17:29 > 0:17:32Sting, how did you get involved in this campaign?

0:17:32 > 0:17:33I was on tour in Brazil.

0:17:33 > 0:17:37I was doing these big concerts, big stadiums in Brazil.

0:17:37 > 0:17:39I came to see him. I loved the "do-do-do, da-da-da-da",

0:17:39 > 0:17:42but he didn't do it that night cos it was a solo tour.

0:17:42 > 0:17:45Every time I turned a corner, this man was here pestering me,

0:17:45 > 0:17:47saying, "You have to come to the jungle, it's so important

0:17:47 > 0:17:50"you come to the jungle", and I was trying to avoid him.

0:17:50 > 0:17:51- I was like, "I'm not a tourist..." - Yeah.

0:17:51 > 0:17:54"..I'm working, I'm very busy."

0:17:54 > 0:17:57- But do get rid of this man, I had to agree to go.- Ha!

0:17:57 > 0:17:59It makes you angry.

0:17:59 > 0:18:00You really feel as if your children

0:18:00 > 0:18:03have been robbed of something very beautiful.

0:18:03 > 0:18:04It's like looking at a rape.

0:18:04 > 0:18:07You see somebody being raped in the street, you want to stop it.

0:18:07 > 0:18:10Fucking 'ell, Sting, that's a bit heavy, innit?!

0:18:10 > 0:18:13Although Sting and I don't see eye to eye on many things,

0:18:13 > 0:18:15he is right to champion nature,

0:18:15 > 0:18:18for it is in the wild where music began.

0:18:18 > 0:18:22# Africa, Africa, birthplace of man... #

0:18:22 > 0:18:25People thing humans are the only people who make music.

0:18:25 > 0:18:27No, it started in the jungle,

0:18:27 > 0:18:29with the croaking of the frog,

0:18:29 > 0:18:30the call of the cuckabird

0:18:30 > 0:18:32and the hiss of the snake.

0:18:32 > 0:18:36# Africa, Africa, birthplace of man... #

0:18:40 > 0:18:43I have come to a research centre in London to meet Danson,

0:18:43 > 0:18:46a gorilla with extraordinary musical abilities.

0:18:46 > 0:18:48I know we all laugh at the ape

0:18:48 > 0:18:50in the Cadbury's advert who played the drums,

0:18:50 > 0:18:52but this is no joke.

0:18:52 > 0:18:54Danson, here, is a Grade 8 pianist.

0:18:54 > 0:18:58We decided to meet up for a jamming session and this is what happened.

0:18:58 > 0:19:00OK, Danson, this is Brian.

0:19:00 > 0:19:02Don't look him in the eye, keep your head down.

0:19:02 > 0:19:05The most important thing, he doesn't feel threatened by you, OK?

0:19:05 > 0:19:07You've got nothing to worry about.

0:19:07 > 0:19:09DANSON GRUNTS

0:19:09 > 0:19:11- It's Brian, Danson.- Hello, Danson.

0:19:13 > 0:19:15Hello. What do I... Here?

0:19:15 > 0:19:16Yeah.

0:19:18 > 0:19:20Don't look him in the eye. Keep your head down.

0:19:20 > 0:19:22Head down, please.

0:19:25 > 0:19:29Recently, Sarah, here at the institute has contacted me...

0:19:30 > 0:19:33..and we, uh,

0:19:33 > 0:19:36have had the idea of introducing musical lessons

0:19:36 > 0:19:37into some of the apes'...

0:19:38 > 0:19:42..schooling, I suppose it is, if you want to call it that,

0:19:42 > 0:19:43and I've, uh...

0:19:43 > 0:19:45I've been Skyping with Danson and sending him

0:19:45 > 0:19:48various musical soundscapes and textures

0:19:48 > 0:19:51and he has become quite adept at playing the keyboard.

0:19:51 > 0:19:53Uh-uh! Uh-uh!

0:19:53 > 0:19:55Uh-uh! Uh-uh!

0:19:55 > 0:19:58- Sure it's OK? He doesn't seem... - Go ahead, it's fine.

0:19:58 > 0:20:00I assumed we'd be behind a form of screen for this.

0:20:00 > 0:20:03- No, he's just being playful. - Can you not come and sit here?

0:20:03 > 0:20:06I don't want to get in the way of the interaction

0:20:06 > 0:20:08between the two of you. He's a big fan of your work.

0:20:10 > 0:20:11OK, what do we do now?

0:20:13 > 0:20:15- Accept the gift.- Do I take it? - Accept the gift.

0:20:15 > 0:20:17Thank you, Danson.

0:20:17 > 0:20:19He seems like a friendly guy.

0:20:19 > 0:20:20Do I bite it?

0:20:20 > 0:20:23He's had it in his mouth, so, yeah, it should be OK.

0:20:23 > 0:20:25He's had it in his mouth?

0:20:25 > 0:20:26Give that a miss.

0:20:26 > 0:20:29When I was working with Danson over Skype,

0:20:29 > 0:20:30I would lay down a very flat tone

0:20:30 > 0:20:33and Danson would embroider it slightly with some simple keys,

0:20:33 > 0:20:37which is what we're going to try and do again now. Danson, you ready?

0:20:38 > 0:20:42HE HUMS CONTINUOUS TONE

0:20:46 > 0:20:49DANSON PLAYS KEYBOARD DEMO

0:20:49 > 0:20:51Danson, play properly.

0:20:51 > 0:20:53No, no, that's wrong. It's OK.

0:20:53 > 0:20:55Let's try it again, Danson, OK?

0:20:55 > 0:20:57What we did before, remember? On machine?

0:20:59 > 0:21:02HE HUMS CONTINUOUS TONE

0:21:07 > 0:21:08Now. You have to play now.

0:21:09 > 0:21:11- Play... No. - DANSON PLAYS DEMO

0:21:12 > 0:21:14Pressing the, uh...

0:21:14 > 0:21:17- He's play next time.- ..the demo. - He's just playing up.

0:21:17 > 0:21:20Is he ready?

0:21:20 > 0:21:22He's going to make a monkey out of me.

0:21:22 > 0:21:24OK, ready, Danson?

0:21:25 > 0:21:27Know what to do?

0:21:27 > 0:21:31HE HUMS CONTINUOUS NOTE

0:21:31 > 0:21:33Come on.

0:21:33 > 0:21:34Come on, Danson, you know what to do.

0:21:34 > 0:21:36- HE PLAYS DEMO - Oh, come on, Danson.

0:21:36 > 0:21:38DANSON GROWLS AND BRIAN YELPS

0:21:38 > 0:21:40Danson! Calm!

0:21:40 > 0:21:42Calm! Calm! Danson, calm!

0:21:42 > 0:21:44Calm! Calm!

0:21:44 > 0:21:45BRIAN SQUEALS

0:21:45 > 0:21:47Get away from me!

0:21:48 > 0:21:51DANSON GRUNTS AND BRIAN YELPS

0:21:51 > 0:21:53HE SCREAMS

0:21:54 > 0:21:58These days, you're just as likely to see recording artists like me

0:21:58 > 0:22:01on Later With Jules as you are on the Today programme,

0:22:01 > 0:22:03which I'm about to be on now.

0:22:03 > 0:22:05Ah, morning, Brian, lovely to see you.

0:22:05 > 0:22:07- Hello, John.- How are you doing?

0:22:07 > 0:22:10- I'm OK, I'm OK.- I love what you're doing, this thing with gorillas.

0:22:10 > 0:22:13Love gorillas, great animals, aren't they?

0:22:13 > 0:22:16As much as I love rock stars, and they are my bread and caviar,

0:22:16 > 0:22:20exposing themselves to the bull pit that is the newsroom?

0:22:20 > 0:22:22Terrible mistake. It was awful.

0:22:22 > 0:22:26And the time now is 21 minutes past eight.

0:22:26 > 0:22:31This week, the tireless campaigner and rock star Brian Pern

0:22:31 > 0:22:35launches his new campaign to save the mountain gorilla

0:22:35 > 0:22:39with a new charity record and tour and he joins us in the studio.

0:22:39 > 0:22:43- Hello, Brian.- Hi, John.- Brian, a lot of people are going to be asking

0:22:43 > 0:22:46a single question about all this - why?

0:22:46 > 0:22:47Why what?

0:22:47 > 0:22:51Why is a multimillionaire rock star like you, you're loaded, obviously,

0:22:51 > 0:22:55asking the likes of us to donate money for saving gorillas

0:22:55 > 0:22:57when we haven't got any money ourselves?

0:22:57 > 0:22:58We're broke - why should we care,

0:22:58 > 0:23:00why should we listen to you, basically?

0:23:00 > 0:23:05We, as musicians, owe the animal kingdom a huge debt.

0:23:07 > 0:23:09And these creatures are just as musical as us.

0:23:09 > 0:23:11In some cases, even more so.

0:23:11 > 0:23:15So, you've released this song which features a real gorilla,

0:23:15 > 0:23:19a real gorilla, on backing vocals to raise money.

0:23:19 > 0:23:21- Yes.- What do you intend to do with the money?

0:23:21 > 0:23:24Well, we want to use the money to supply

0:23:24 > 0:23:27the remaining Rwandan gorillas with bulletproof vests

0:23:27 > 0:23:29and also tin helmets

0:23:29 > 0:23:30to protect them from poachers.

0:23:30 > 0:23:34We also want to train them to use iPads so they can warn each other

0:23:34 > 0:23:37of possible attacks and weather systems and so forth.

0:23:37 > 0:23:38I can't believe this.

0:23:38 > 0:23:41I struggle to get my 13-year-old boy to put his blazer on

0:23:41 > 0:23:42to go to school in the morning

0:23:42 > 0:23:46and you want to track down thousands of wild animals and put them

0:23:46 > 0:23:51in bulletproof vests and hats and then teach them to Skype!

0:23:51 > 0:23:55I mean, we're talking here about wild animals, thousands of them,

0:23:55 > 0:23:59in dense jungle, and you're going to make them computer-literate

0:23:59 > 0:24:01and even if you manage that,

0:24:01 > 0:24:04you've got to get a signal into the Rwandan jungle.

0:24:04 > 0:24:08The Rwandan jungle is not exactly renowned for its Wi-Fi hotspots.

0:24:08 > 0:24:12Brian, you're living in cloud cuckoo land, aren't you?

0:24:12 > 0:24:13You are, aren't you?

0:24:13 > 0:24:16Come on, are you or are you not living in cloud cuckoo land?

0:24:16 > 0:24:18Cloud cuckoo land, yes or no?

0:24:18 > 0:24:21- I... No! - Well, I'll take that as a yes.

0:24:21 > 0:24:24- Brian Perry, many thanks.- Pern.

0:24:25 > 0:24:26Pern, hmm.

0:24:29 > 0:24:32These days, it's not just the planet that needs saving -

0:24:32 > 0:24:33it's music.

0:24:33 > 0:24:35When you look at the state of the charts today,

0:24:35 > 0:24:38it's not surprising that some of the biggest bands bury the hatchet

0:24:38 > 0:24:41and go back on the road that one last time.

0:24:41 > 0:24:44# Why can't we be friends..? #

0:24:44 > 0:24:45They all say it.

0:24:45 > 0:24:48Blondie, Fleetwood Mac, Stone Roses, Velvet Underground, Pink Floyd -

0:24:48 > 0:24:51they all say they're not going to reform, but then they do.

0:24:51 > 0:24:53Well, The Eagles famously said

0:24:53 > 0:24:55they'll only get back together when hell froze over.

0:24:55 > 0:24:59It must have frozen over 16 fucking times in the last six years.

0:24:59 > 0:25:02It's just so the kids can tick a little box and say,

0:25:02 > 0:25:04"I've seen the Rolling Stones."

0:25:04 > 0:25:06Did you see them at Glastonbury?

0:25:06 > 0:25:09I watched it on TV in my house. I could not fucking believe it.

0:25:09 > 0:25:14It was like Last Of The Summer Wine directed by fucking George A Romero.

0:25:14 > 0:25:16Bands reform for money.

0:25:16 > 0:25:18- INTERVIEWER: It's not cos of the fans?- No, it's for money.

0:25:18 > 0:25:20They couldn't give a shit about the fans.

0:25:20 > 0:25:23Usually, one of the group who didn't write the songs

0:25:23 > 0:25:26has finished up signing photos of himself at record fairs

0:25:26 > 0:25:28and another one thinks he's got Alzheimer's.

0:25:28 > 0:25:31The other two claim they're doing it for the first two,

0:25:31 > 0:25:33but that's bollocks cos they're doing it for themselves

0:25:33 > 0:25:36cos their alpaca farms have been hit by foot and mouth,

0:25:36 > 0:25:38they've given all their money to a bloke called Bernie,

0:25:38 > 0:25:40and they're six million in debt

0:25:40 > 0:25:44and not everyone has the ability to do conga adverts like Kevin Bacon.

0:25:44 > 0:25:48- INTERVIEWER: Do you think you'll ever, ever, ever reform?- No.

0:25:48 > 0:25:49You wouldn't want to?

0:25:49 > 0:25:51- No.- Could you be in the same room as him?

0:25:51 > 0:25:52No.

0:25:52 > 0:25:54I...

0:25:54 > 0:25:57I don't think we'll ever...

0:25:57 > 0:25:59reform with Brian.

0:25:59 > 0:26:01He thinks he's above us.

0:26:01 > 0:26:03I mean, he's not even interviewing us now.

0:26:05 > 0:26:06One of his lackeys...

0:26:07 > 0:26:08..is doing it.

0:26:10 > 0:26:14# We are the champions, my friend... #

0:26:14 > 0:26:16Rock is an immortal force.

0:26:18 > 0:26:22No matter how old or young or decrepit, music will always live on,

0:26:22 > 0:26:24through jukebox musicals and tribute bands.

0:26:24 > 0:26:27It'll be repackaged and remastered,

0:26:27 > 0:26:29in box sets and on reunion tours.

0:26:30 > 0:26:33We are indeed the people we thought we might be when we were young.

0:26:33 > 0:26:35We are the champions of the world.

0:26:35 > 0:26:39# We are the champions

0:26:43 > 0:26:50# Of the world. #

0:26:50 > 0:26:52CHEERING

0:26:52 > 0:26:54BELL TOLLS

0:26:56 > 0:26:59So part three is about death?

0:26:59 > 0:27:01- It's called "Death".- Yes, it's called "Death", yes.

0:27:01 > 0:27:03And when does all this go out?

0:27:03 > 0:27:06It's going to go out the same week as the Brits.

0:27:06 > 0:27:08So?

0:27:08 > 0:27:11Well, Brian's winning a lifetime achievement award, isn't he?

0:27:11 > 0:27:12Not any more, he's not.

0:27:12 > 0:27:14- Why not?- I turned it down for you.

0:27:14 > 0:27:17- John, tell me you're joking! - What do you want one of them for?

0:27:17 > 0:27:20If anything in this business means death, it's one of them.

0:27:20 > 0:27:21- John!- Brian!

0:27:21 > 0:27:24Not one of my clients has ever won a lifetime achievement award

0:27:24 > 0:27:26and that's is the way it's going to stay, all right?

0:27:26 > 0:27:29Anyway, they were only going to give it to you if you did a medley

0:27:29 > 0:27:32with Miley Cyrus and we don't want her twonking around you, all right?

0:27:32 > 0:27:35I've been in touch with some of my friends

0:27:35 > 0:27:38at the top end of the culinary world,

0:27:38 > 0:27:39principally Heston,

0:27:39 > 0:27:43and together we're actually developing a liquorice gas.

0:27:43 > 0:27:46That dream will be realised very soon

0:27:46 > 0:27:48and I'm really looking forward to that day.

0:27:48 > 0:27:52So we've been working on this idea of somehow unrequited love.

0:27:52 > 0:27:55You don't really know where it's going to go.

0:27:55 > 0:27:57We know about that, don't we, Brian?

0:27:57 > 0:28:00We were lovers when we were 14.

0:28:00 > 0:28:01What? We certainly weren't.

0:28:01 > 0:28:03No, I was 13.

0:28:03 > 0:28:04That's not very funny.

0:28:04 > 0:28:06At the moment, in this country,

0:28:06 > 0:28:08it's the wrong time to say that sort of thing.

0:28:09 > 0:28:10Yeah.

0:28:10 > 0:28:12Rock is an immortal force.

0:28:12 > 0:28:15No matter how old or decrepit or devalued it becomes,

0:28:15 > 0:28:19it will live on through jukebox musicals,

0:28:19 > 0:28:22tribute bands and photographic albums

0:28:22 > 0:28:24- featuring people... - There's someone in the background.

0:28:27 > 0:28:29Excuse me.

0:28:29 > 0:28:31We're filming here.

0:28:31 > 0:28:32Sorry.

0:28:33 > 0:28:38DRAMATIC MUSIC

0:28:44 > 0:28:47TENSE MUSIC

0:28:55 > 0:28:58MUSIC BUILDS TO CRESCENDO

0:29:03 > 0:29:06HE BLOWS TUNE ON KAZOO