0:00:12 > 0:00:14Hello and welcome to Debatable,
0:00:14 > 0:00:17where today one player must answer a series of tricky questions to try to
0:00:17 > 0:00:20walk away with a jackpot of over £2,000,
0:00:20 > 0:00:23but they're not on their own.
0:00:23 > 0:00:25As always, they will have a panel of well-known faces debating
0:00:25 > 0:00:27their way to the answers.
0:00:27 > 0:00:30Will they be able to talk the talk? As always, that's debatable.
0:00:30 > 0:00:32So let's meet them.
0:00:32 > 0:00:34Talking the talk today,
0:00:34 > 0:00:36we have journalist John Sergeant,
0:00:36 > 0:00:37broadcaster and campaigner
0:00:37 > 0:00:38June Sarpong,
0:00:38 > 0:00:41and actor and comedian Liz Carr.
0:00:41 > 0:00:44APPLAUSE
0:00:46 > 0:00:49That's our panel. Let's meet today's contestant.
0:00:49 > 0:00:51It is John for Epsom.
0:00:51 > 0:00:53- How are you doing, John? - Very well, thank you.
0:00:53 > 0:00:54- Yourself?- Welcome to the show.
0:00:54 > 0:00:56- Thank you.- Thanks for coming in to see us.
0:00:56 > 0:00:59- Nothing else to do today. - There you go. Nor me.
0:00:59 > 0:01:02- Shall we play a little quiz? What do you think?- Come on, then.
0:01:02 > 0:01:05- Yeah? Tell us a little bit about yourself.- From Epsom, Surrey.
0:01:05 > 0:01:08Bexley boy originally. Here today to win a bit of money.
0:01:08 > 0:01:11Is that your real accent or have you just gone more geezer for this show?
0:01:11 > 0:01:13- I'm more geezer at home.- Really?
0:01:13 > 0:01:14This is a little bit more toned down.
0:01:14 > 0:01:16So on a scale of one to geezer,
0:01:16 > 0:01:18where would you say you are on the geezer scale?
0:01:18 > 0:01:20- This is my Surrey accent. - Oh, this is the posh accent?
0:01:20 > 0:01:22- It's my posh one. - Tell us what you do for living.
0:01:22 > 0:01:26I'm a pawn broker, but we specialise in vintage and prestige watches.
0:01:26 > 0:01:27That's why he's a geezer!
0:01:27 > 0:01:29- That's where I'm getting the geezer. - Geezer!
0:01:29 > 0:01:32- What do you do in your spare time? - I own a couple of race horses.
0:01:32 > 0:01:34Of course you do. What are the horses called?
0:01:34 > 0:01:36One has no name, it's not run yet.
0:01:36 > 0:01:39And the other one's had three races, and it's Still Running.
0:01:39 > 0:01:42- Yeah.- John, what do you make of today's panel?
0:01:42 > 0:01:44There's age, beauty and intelligence, all in one.
0:01:44 > 0:01:46Oh, there is, but enough about John Sergeant.
0:01:46 > 0:01:48LAUGHTER There he is.
0:01:48 > 0:01:51There he is. Panel, come on, what have you got to offer John?
0:01:51 > 0:01:53John, I'm going to sell myself. Just gently.
0:01:53 > 0:01:57I'm not very good, but we might get on really well.
0:01:57 > 0:01:59This feels like a recap on Blind Date. Liz?
0:01:59 > 0:02:02I'm thinking, "What can I offer you?"
0:02:02 > 0:02:05I've got my law degree, I play a character in Silent Witness.
0:02:05 > 0:02:08- that knows everything.- Yeah. - So maybe that's rubbed off.
0:02:08 > 0:02:09She always gets it right.
0:02:09 > 0:02:12You know, and I've got a sushi-making certificate.
0:02:12 > 0:02:14- I love sushi!- See? There you go. - I love sushi.- See?
0:02:14 > 0:02:16It is like Blind Date, you're right. It's weird now.
0:02:16 > 0:02:19- It's a bit weird.- It's a match made in heaven, actually.
0:02:19 > 0:02:20Our next question goes to number two.
0:02:20 > 0:02:22Number two.
0:02:22 > 0:02:24I'm originally a Walthamstow girl,
0:02:24 > 0:02:26so I can out geezer you, how about that?
0:02:26 > 0:02:27THEY LAUGH
0:02:27 > 0:02:29John, you're going to have to pay close attention to our panel.
0:02:29 > 0:02:32You can only choose one of them in today's final debate.
0:02:32 > 0:02:34- Ready to play?- Bring it on.
0:02:34 > 0:02:36- Born ready.- Born ready.- Born ready!
0:02:36 > 0:02:37OK, here we go, let's play Round One.
0:02:40 > 0:02:42John, this round is multiple-choice.
0:02:42 > 0:02:46Four possible answers. There are three questions in this round.
0:02:46 > 0:02:48Each correct answer is worth £200.
0:02:48 > 0:02:50Possible 600 quid up for grabs.
0:02:50 > 0:02:51Here we go.
0:03:07 > 0:03:10I have absolutely no idea. I must be honest.
0:03:10 > 0:03:13I know all of those names, but I have no idea.
0:03:13 > 0:03:16I'm hoping that the panel have got the answer for me on this one.
0:03:16 > 0:03:18We are all hoping the panel are going to sort this out.
0:03:18 > 0:03:21I'm not looking at anyone in particular, June Sarpong.
0:03:21 > 0:03:24OK, panel, can we shed any light on this? Your debate starts now.
0:03:24 > 0:03:28OK, so, what are you thinking, Liz?
0:03:28 > 0:03:30Well, I'm thinking... I mean, how old is she?
0:03:30 > 0:03:32She's either late 20s, early 30s.
0:03:32 > 0:03:35So I was just thinking sort of who was around and who was big.
0:03:35 > 0:03:37John, what are you thinking?
0:03:37 > 0:03:39My mind's gone a complete blank. I don't know why.
0:03:39 > 0:03:41Normally, I would be very good at these sort of subjects.
0:03:41 > 0:03:44Yeah, you would. This is your subject, actually.
0:03:44 > 0:03:47For some reason, I'm blanking out.
0:03:47 > 0:03:49I could leave it to you two to sort this one out.
0:03:49 > 0:03:51- You can't just sit there. - You can't do that.
0:03:51 > 0:03:52A blind guess, then.
0:03:52 > 0:03:56- OK? Adele.- Yeah, cos she could just be called Adele.
0:03:56 > 0:03:57See how it sounds.
0:03:57 > 0:04:00Cos, like, when my parents were thinking of my name,
0:04:00 > 0:04:02it wasn't Liz Carr, it was Elizabeth,
0:04:02 > 0:04:04so it sort of had a flow to it.
0:04:04 > 0:04:06Well, I'm John James, right?
0:04:06 > 0:04:08And somebody said to me,
0:04:08 > 0:04:11"Did your parents have really odd names?"
0:04:11 > 0:04:13I said, "Certainly not!" My father
0:04:13 > 0:04:15was Reverend Ernest Noel Copeland Sergeant.
0:04:15 > 0:04:17- Of course.- And my mother was Olive Horatia.
0:04:17 > 0:04:19Right. Yeah.
0:04:21 > 0:04:22So what are we thinking, panel?
0:04:22 > 0:04:24Adele. I'd stick with that.
0:04:24 > 0:04:27- It sounds good.- Yes...- OK. - It sounds as if we're convinced.
0:04:27 > 0:04:30So I think the panel are going to go with C - Adele.
0:04:33 > 0:04:36Now, can you see what's actually happened there, John?
0:04:36 > 0:04:39Basically, Liz and June, with a little bit of pop knowledge,
0:04:39 > 0:04:42have bowed to John's just complete guts,
0:04:42 > 0:04:45and he has managed to convince the panel that it may be Adele.
0:04:45 > 0:04:48Well, I might actually agree with him. Adele...
0:04:48 > 0:04:50Because I know nothing else, I'll go with the panel.
0:04:50 > 0:04:53OK, you're going with the panel. Here we go.
0:04:53 > 0:04:55Oh, here we go.
0:04:55 > 0:04:58Is the real first name of singer Emeli Sande Adele?
0:04:58 > 0:05:00For £200.
0:05:03 > 0:05:04Yes!
0:05:06 > 0:05:09- You see?- There you go. You see? We're on the ball.
0:05:11 > 0:05:12Go on, my son.
0:05:12 > 0:05:15- Yes, yes. Well, it was obvious, wasn't it?- It was.- Totally.
0:05:15 > 0:05:17It was the only answer, really.
0:05:17 > 0:05:19- Yeah, it was.- Absolutely obvious.
0:05:19 > 0:05:21You can catch John Sergeant on his Radio 1 show...
0:05:23 > 0:05:26She was actually born Adele Emeli Sande.
0:05:26 > 0:05:31As Adele became more successful, she then decided to use her middle name.
0:05:31 > 0:05:32You are up and running, £200.
0:05:35 > 0:05:36Come on!
0:05:37 > 0:05:39Here comes your next question.
0:05:57 > 0:06:01I have no idea again. I've got some ideas.
0:06:01 > 0:06:02I'm not too sure where to go.
0:06:02 > 0:06:05Apple is looking good, but not looking that good.
0:06:05 > 0:06:08OK. HE LAUGHS
0:06:08 > 0:06:09Panel, your debate starts now.
0:06:09 > 0:06:12Well, I've had a few lemon discos in Ibiza, so...
0:06:12 > 0:06:14LAUGHTER
0:06:14 > 0:06:19A lot of these things - like apples and fungi and flower -
0:06:19 > 0:06:22they've got lovely names, haven't they?
0:06:22 > 0:06:26Bread, anyone can make bread in all sorts of ways, so that's my guess.
0:06:26 > 0:06:27Bread, you're right,
0:06:27 > 0:06:30but I think that would be some sort of artisan bakery, and they
0:06:30 > 0:06:31might call it something,
0:06:31 > 0:06:34- but it's not called that across... - Yeah, a general term.
0:06:34 > 0:06:37- That's right.- Like tiger loaf or... - These other things -
0:06:37 > 0:06:38flowers and fungi and apples...
0:06:38 > 0:06:40It's apples or fungi, I think.
0:06:40 > 0:06:42How lemony can an apple be?
0:06:42 > 0:06:44Well, it could be, yeah.
0:06:44 > 0:06:45It's got to be all these names...
0:06:45 > 0:06:46It could be quite a sour apple.
0:06:46 > 0:06:49You're not at all impressed by my argument about bread?
0:06:49 > 0:06:50- No.- No.- Oh.
0:06:50 > 0:06:53- To be honest, John, no.- Sorry. You're outnumbered on this one.
0:06:53 > 0:06:55And flower, I just think we'd have heard of the flowers,
0:06:55 > 0:06:58- I don't know why.- You do?- I do.
0:06:58 > 0:07:00- I sort of think...- There's so many types of flowers, though.
0:07:00 > 0:07:03But they're more sort of... Honeycomb, lemony...
0:07:03 > 0:07:04They are more tastes and flavours.
0:07:04 > 0:07:07- I think you're right. - Yeah, maybe you are.
0:07:07 > 0:07:08Apple?
0:07:08 > 0:07:09- June, it's up to you.- OK.
0:07:09 > 0:07:14So the panel is going to go for option A - apple.
0:07:16 > 0:07:19- So, John.- I'm drawn to fungi, I must be honest.
0:07:19 > 0:07:22I'm thinking with the elfcup, the cup, the disco...
0:07:22 > 0:07:24I'm going to go fungi. Sorry, boys, girls.
0:07:24 > 0:07:26- JUNE:- No worries. - No, no.
0:07:26 > 0:07:28OK, you are going against the panel.
0:07:28 > 0:07:33For £200, is fungi the correct answer?
0:07:36 > 0:07:37Come on.
0:07:37 > 0:07:39It is!
0:07:40 > 0:07:43- Well done.- Well done, John. Well done.
0:07:43 > 0:07:45Good man.
0:07:45 > 0:07:52Very well played, John. Lemon disco is also known as yellow fairy cups.
0:07:52 > 0:07:55A green elfcup, it's a small blue-green wood fungus.
0:07:55 > 0:07:58Honeycomb crust is so named as the fungus was resembles
0:07:58 > 0:07:59the texture of honeycomb.
0:07:59 > 0:08:02- Brilliant.- Very well played, everybody.
0:08:02 > 0:08:05- And by everybody, I say Liz and John.- Thank you.
0:08:05 > 0:08:08- That's another £200.- What about you? - That's so mean.
0:08:08 > 0:08:10Well, I mean, you said apple!
0:08:12 > 0:08:14- That's £200 into your prize pot. - Hey!
0:08:14 > 0:08:16I can tell you, you are up to £400.
0:08:20 > 0:08:23Let's see if you can make it a clean sweep of Round One.
0:08:23 > 0:08:24Here's your next question.
0:08:49 > 0:08:52The Thames just doesn't sound right, does it?
0:08:52 > 0:08:53But... What do I know?
0:08:53 > 0:08:56- I need somehow on this one. - You need some help.- I definitely do.
0:08:56 > 0:08:58- Help is at hand, John. - A lot of help.
0:08:58 > 0:09:01Here we go. Panel, your debate starts now.
0:09:01 > 0:09:02Panel, what are we thinking?
0:09:02 > 0:09:05Well, let's go for the ones we think certainly he did paint.
0:09:05 > 0:09:08- OK.- The Water-lily Pond, that's very famous.
0:09:08 > 0:09:10- Very.- It's got to be.- Right? So we've agreed on that.
0:09:10 > 0:09:14- The Thames Below Westminster. He did paint one of those.- Yes.
0:09:14 > 0:09:17- So that's... Agreed on that.- Yeah. - It's the one you wouldn't think, isn't it?
0:09:17 > 0:09:18So we're left with the last two.
0:09:18 > 0:09:22I would've thought he did paint Lavacourt Under Snow,
0:09:22 > 0:09:23- or... - FRENCH ACCENT:- ..Lavacourt...
0:09:23 > 0:09:26- FRENCH ACCENT:- Lavacourt. - ..as we say it in France.
0:09:26 > 0:09:29He could have painted long grass, he could have painted butterflies.
0:09:29 > 0:09:31- Butterflies.- But calling it Long Grass With Butterflies,
0:09:31 > 0:09:33- it's not very poetic, if it? - No, it's not.
0:09:33 > 0:09:35I think it sounds a bit made up.
0:09:35 > 0:09:37- So I think...- I think...- ..we know.
0:09:37 > 0:09:39- That's it, isn't it?- Yeah.
0:09:39 > 0:09:41Well, very straightforward.
0:09:41 > 0:09:42So the panel are going to go with option A -
0:09:42 > 0:09:44Long Grass With Butterflies.
0:09:45 > 0:09:48John, they are not messing about. They say it is very straightforward.
0:09:48 > 0:09:50Are they correct?
0:09:50 > 0:09:52I would've thought it was the Thames,
0:09:52 > 0:09:53but I'll go with the panel.
0:09:53 > 0:09:56Long Grass With Butterflies, for £200.
0:09:56 > 0:09:59And a clean sweep of Round One.
0:09:59 > 0:10:01Correct answer is...
0:10:05 > 0:10:07- Yes!- It is!
0:10:07 > 0:10:09Get in there! I've got you covered(!)
0:10:11 > 0:10:13Very well done.
0:10:13 > 0:10:18Long Grass With Butterflies was painted by Vincent van Gogh
0:10:18 > 0:10:19in 1890.
0:10:19 > 0:10:21Very well played, John.
0:10:21 > 0:10:23That is another £200 into the prize pot.
0:10:23 > 0:10:26At the end of Round One, it's 100%. It you're on £600.
0:10:28 > 0:10:30- Well done, well done.- Thank you.
0:10:30 > 0:10:32- JUNE:- Well done.
0:10:32 > 0:10:35OK, John, how do you think the panel are faring so far?
0:10:35 > 0:10:37A lot of balance there. It's quite nice.
0:10:37 > 0:10:39They're doing really well, amongst themselves.
0:10:39 > 0:10:41OK, let's see how they cope with pictures. It's time for Round Two.
0:10:45 > 0:10:47OK, John, Round Two is our picture round.
0:10:47 > 0:10:49We want you to put three pictures in order.
0:10:49 > 0:10:53£300 for each correct answer. Two questions in this round.
0:10:53 > 0:10:56A possible £600 up for grabs, here we go.
0:11:15 > 0:11:17You have an idea of this, John?
0:11:17 > 0:11:19I have a rough idea.
0:11:19 > 0:11:22If you have a rough idea, let's hold that thought.
0:11:22 > 0:11:26Let's see if our panel have any thoughts on this at all.
0:11:26 > 0:11:27Your debate starts now.
0:11:27 > 0:11:28Well, anyone?
0:11:28 > 0:11:31A touchdown is the highest that you
0:11:31 > 0:11:33can score in American football,
0:11:33 > 0:11:34isn't it?
0:11:34 > 0:11:37We don't need to worry about that, all we need to do is get them in the right order.
0:11:37 > 0:11:39- Oh, OK.- Let's not worry too much...
0:11:39 > 0:11:40Let's not get the facts in the way.
0:11:40 > 0:11:42Let's just think...
0:11:42 > 0:11:43LAUGHTER
0:11:43 > 0:11:45- We'll just think about...- Now, now!
0:11:45 > 0:11:47LAUGHTER
0:11:47 > 0:11:49Liz, what are you thinking?
0:11:49 > 0:11:51I'm trying to remember that bit of snooker that I used to watch
0:11:51 > 0:11:53when Pot Black was on years ago
0:11:53 > 0:11:54with my dad
0:11:54 > 0:11:56- and what was a yellow ball worth. - Yeah.
0:11:56 > 0:11:58And I thought it was five,
0:11:58 > 0:11:59but I think it probably isn't.
0:11:59 > 0:12:01And an unconverted try
0:12:01 > 0:12:02in rugby union,
0:12:02 > 0:12:03and I think it could be five
0:12:03 > 0:12:05or seven, but I'm not sure.
0:12:05 > 0:12:07I'm trying to get numerical.
0:12:07 > 0:12:09A touchdown is a lot.
0:12:09 > 0:12:10It's like 15 or 13.
0:12:10 > 0:12:12Let's stick to that.
0:12:12 > 0:12:13That's a lot. We've all agreed.
0:12:13 > 0:12:14That's the highest one, right?
0:12:14 > 0:12:16- That's the highest.- Right.
0:12:16 > 0:12:17So the next must be rugby
0:12:17 > 0:12:20and the third one must be snooker.
0:12:20 > 0:12:22- Why are you so sure? - Which is the fewest?
0:12:22 > 0:12:24I'm not prepared to answer those questions.
0:12:24 > 0:12:26LAUGHTER
0:12:26 > 0:12:28I'm answering the question that is on the board.
0:12:28 > 0:12:32Why are you so sure that an unconverted try is less than
0:12:32 > 0:12:34a yellow ball?
0:12:34 > 0:12:37Well, because I know a yellow ball is less than four.
0:12:37 > 0:12:39- Or five.- OK. OK. Well, then...
0:12:39 > 0:12:41- So that's easy.- That works for me.
0:12:41 > 0:12:42So I think we've got that order right.
0:12:42 > 0:12:45So it's yellow... So it's the yellow ball,
0:12:45 > 0:12:48then the rugby try and then the touchdown?
0:12:48 > 0:12:50- Yeah.- Is that right?- That's it.
0:12:50 > 0:12:52- So then we swap. - You've got the highest.
0:12:52 > 0:12:54- That's what we think.- OK.
0:12:54 > 0:12:57So, the panel is going to go for
0:12:57 > 0:13:00the fewest as the yellow ball
0:13:00 > 0:13:02in snooker, then the unconverted try
0:13:02 > 0:13:04in rugby union and then the
0:13:04 > 0:13:07touchdown in American football.
0:13:08 > 0:13:11Great sporting knowledge brought to this, John, by the panel(!)
0:13:11 > 0:13:14The panel believe that a yellow ball in snooker is somewhere below
0:13:14 > 0:13:17four and five, a touchdown is a big thing,
0:13:17 > 0:13:20and a rugby try is somewhere in the middle.
0:13:20 > 0:13:23Mm. I know a yellow's only two.
0:13:23 > 0:13:25And I love rugby and I love American football,
0:13:25 > 0:13:27and I've got a brain freeze.
0:13:27 > 0:13:31I just can't place it, but I think they're in the right order.
0:13:31 > 0:13:33- Yeah.- OK, you're going with the panel.
0:13:33 > 0:13:37For £300, is that the correct order?
0:13:42 > 0:13:45It is the correct order!
0:13:45 > 0:13:49Well done! Yes!
0:13:49 > 0:13:51- Take it home!- Take it home!
0:13:51 > 0:13:53A yellow ball in snooker is worth two.
0:13:53 > 0:13:56An unconverted try in rugby union is worth...five.
0:13:56 > 0:14:01And a touchdown in American football - six.
0:14:01 > 0:14:02Points in snooker from one to seven,
0:14:02 > 0:14:05we all remember that by the Chas and Dave song, don't we?
0:14:05 > 0:14:06- Yeah, of course. - Don't we? Here we go.
0:14:06 > 0:14:08# Pot the reds, then, screw back
0:14:08 > 0:14:11# For the yellow, green, brown, blue, pink and black
0:14:11 > 0:14:17# Snooker loopy nuts are we We're all snooker loopy. #
0:14:17 > 0:14:19- Yeah.- There you go, Roll Out The Barrel.
0:14:19 > 0:14:21That's it, from one up till seven.
0:14:21 > 0:14:25Very well done, John. It means that you're up to £900.
0:14:25 > 0:14:27APPLAUSE
0:14:27 > 0:14:29Thank you, thank you.
0:14:29 > 0:14:33And, all right, John, here comes your second picture question.
0:14:46 > 0:14:49I'd like to think it was Mother Teresa first,
0:14:49 > 0:14:52then Desmond Tutu, then Nelson Mandela.
0:14:52 > 0:14:55But then he might have got it when he was in jail.
0:14:55 > 0:14:58And Mother Teresa, she would have got it ages ago. I don't know.
0:14:58 > 0:15:02OK, panel, can you sort this out for John? Your debate starts now.
0:15:02 > 0:15:04What are we thinking?
0:15:04 > 0:15:06See, I think what John said could be right.
0:15:06 > 0:15:09I have a feeling Nelson Mandela got it when he was in prison.
0:15:09 > 0:15:12- I think it was a big deal at the time.- Yeah.
0:15:12 > 0:15:16- I think, you know the way these committees work?- Yeah?
0:15:16 > 0:15:18"We gave it to someone in South Africa last year."
0:15:18 > 0:15:21- Yep.- "We don't want to do it the same this year."- Yes.
0:15:21 > 0:15:23- These international committees... - Oh, no!
0:15:23 > 0:15:27No, no, no! Nelson Mandela got his when he came out of prison
0:15:27 > 0:15:30- with FW de Klerk. They got it together.- Yes, that's true.
0:15:30 > 0:15:34- Yes.- So he was out of prison. - He was out of prison
0:15:34 > 0:15:36- for ending apartheid. - So, was he the most recent?
0:15:36 > 0:15:39So, Desmond Tutu first because he was a campaigner,
0:15:39 > 0:15:42- while Mandela was still in prison. - But why not Mother Teresa first?
0:15:42 > 0:15:44- Yeah, I think... - Why not Mother Teresa first? Yeah.
0:15:44 > 0:15:47I think Mother Teresa first and Tutu later.
0:15:47 > 0:15:49Do you think Tutu last or Tutu in the middle?
0:15:49 > 0:15:54- I think Mother Teresa comes first. - Yep.- Then Desmond Tutu.
0:15:54 > 0:15:57And then, as you say, the joint award when he was released.
0:15:57 > 0:15:59So, then...
0:16:00 > 0:16:01Yeah.
0:16:01 > 0:16:05The panel is going to go with...
0:16:05 > 0:16:08Earliest is Mother Teresa.
0:16:08 > 0:16:11Then followed by Desmond Tutu.
0:16:11 > 0:16:15And then, finally, Nelson Mandela.
0:16:16 > 0:16:19They've come up with pretty much the same order as you.
0:16:19 > 0:16:21Like the panel, I'm a bit confused whether
0:16:21 > 0:16:26- Mother Teresa may be in the middle and Desmond Tutu first.- Yeah.
0:16:26 > 0:16:30So I'll go with the panel's decision, and my decision.
0:16:30 > 0:16:32- Let's hope I'm right! - HE LAUGHS
0:16:32 > 0:16:36OK. For £300, is that the correct order?
0:16:41 > 0:16:42APPLAUSE
0:16:44 > 0:16:47Well played, panel.
0:16:47 > 0:16:49- Well done, John, good knowledge. Good knowledge.- Thank you.
0:16:49 > 0:16:55Mother Teresa won the prize in 1979 for her humanitarian work.
0:16:55 > 0:17:00Desmond Tutu was next in 1984 for his role as a unifying figure
0:17:00 > 0:17:03in the campaign to resolve issues about apartheid in South Africa.
0:17:03 > 0:17:07And then, June, you were right, Nelson Mandela, 1993,
0:17:07 > 0:17:09jointly with FW de Klerk
0:17:09 > 0:17:13for their work for the peaceful termination of the apartheid regime
0:17:13 > 0:17:16and the laying of foundations for a new democratic South Africa.
0:17:16 > 0:17:19Very well done, panel. Very well played, John.
0:17:19 > 0:17:21It's five out of five at the end of Round Two,
0:17:21 > 0:17:23your prize pot stands at £1,200!
0:17:23 > 0:17:25APPLAUSE
0:17:25 > 0:17:26I gotcha!
0:17:26 > 0:17:28Hey? Come on.
0:17:28 > 0:17:32There's still another £1,000 up for grabs in Round Three.
0:17:32 > 0:17:35But first, have we learned anything about our panel
0:17:35 > 0:17:38from the first two rounds, John? Who's standing out?
0:17:38 > 0:17:41- Apart from myself?- Well, I mean, you are standing out, yeah.
0:17:41 > 0:17:44- Yeah, standing out in the middle here.- You are like the Irish farmer,
0:17:44 > 0:17:45you're out standing in your own field!
0:17:45 > 0:17:47GROANING AND LAUGHTER
0:17:47 > 0:17:48Hey!
0:17:48 > 0:17:52So, we've still one more round to play. It is time for Round Three.
0:17:55 > 0:17:58OK, John, in Round Three, you'll face questions that contain
0:17:58 > 0:18:00a statement about a person, a place or a thing.
0:18:00 > 0:18:03Only one of those is true. We need you to identify the true statement.
0:18:03 > 0:18:06Two questions in the round, £500 for each correct answer.
0:18:06 > 0:18:08A possible £1,000.
0:18:10 > 0:18:12Let's see if we can keep your run going with this.
0:18:33 > 0:18:38Well, I've no idea. A hoglet sounds right, doesn't it? It sounds good.
0:18:38 > 0:18:40It could be anything. No idea.
0:18:40 > 0:18:43OK, hoglet sounds good but he's got no idea.
0:18:43 > 0:18:47Panel, can you sort this out for us? Your debate starts now.
0:18:47 > 0:18:50- They're always sniffing around, aren't they?- Aren't they blind?
0:18:50 > 0:18:52- You can't stop them sniffing. - I thought hedgehogs were blind.
0:18:52 > 0:18:55- They're blind.- To survive and get around, they must have other senses.
0:18:55 > 0:18:58Yeah, so we'll rule that out, OK.
0:18:58 > 0:19:00Hoglet doesn't sound right to me.
0:19:00 > 0:19:04How many baby hedgehogs have you come across and shouted,
0:19:04 > 0:19:06"What are those?"
0:19:06 > 0:19:09- "They're hoglets."- Is it called a cub?- "Oh, it's a hoglet!"
0:19:09 > 0:19:11- A baby hedgehog is a cub? - I thought it was something else,
0:19:11 > 0:19:13I thought it was a piglet. No, it's a hoglet.
0:19:13 > 0:19:15LAUGHTER
0:19:15 > 0:19:17Then I'm thinking, Hogwarts, it's all very Harry Potter.
0:19:17 > 0:19:20- That's what I'm saying.- Cute and... - It's a big Harry Potter.- Yeah.
0:19:20 > 0:19:22- Yeah.- What are we thinking?
0:19:22 > 0:19:25I think it's a tough call. If you're not convinced by the middle,
0:19:25 > 0:19:27I think go with the three species.
0:19:27 > 0:19:30OK. If you're worried about hoglet. I would go with the rest of you.
0:19:30 > 0:19:34OK. So, the panel is going to go for C,
0:19:34 > 0:19:37there are only three species of hedgehogs in the world.
0:19:39 > 0:19:44So, John. Liz and John are thinking that hoglet sounds nice.
0:19:44 > 0:19:47But the chair has pulled the panel together
0:19:47 > 0:19:50and they now believe that there are only
0:19:50 > 0:19:52three species of hedgehog in the world.
0:19:52 > 0:19:54Yeah, it's not like dogs, is it?
0:19:54 > 0:19:57There's a cocker spaniel, there's a Great Dane, you know...
0:19:57 > 0:20:00- "Oh, look at the size of that hedgehog!"- Exactly!
0:20:00 > 0:20:02LAUGHTER
0:20:02 > 0:20:05I'm going to go for B, a baby hedgehog is...
0:20:05 > 0:20:07No, I'm not.
0:20:07 > 0:20:09LAUGHTER
0:20:09 > 0:20:11I'm going to go with C, I'm going to go with the panel.
0:20:11 > 0:20:13Are you sure about this?
0:20:13 > 0:20:15Yeah.
0:20:15 > 0:20:17OK, you initially thought a baby hedgehog was a hoglet.
0:20:17 > 0:20:20But you're changing your mind, you're going with the panel.
0:20:20 > 0:20:24For £500, the correct statement is...
0:20:29 > 0:20:32Oh, oh, oh.
0:20:32 > 0:20:34- Never mind.- You should have went with your gut, fella.
0:20:34 > 0:20:37- Oh, I've got plenty of gut! - GENTLE LAUGHTER
0:20:37 > 0:20:39- Ah.- Never mind.
0:20:39 > 0:20:42There are estimated to be around
0:20:42 > 0:20:4615 species of hedgehog in the world. PANEL EXCLAIM
0:20:46 > 0:20:50Hedgehogs have an excellent sense of smell but poor eyesight.
0:20:50 > 0:20:51Liz, you were right about that.
0:20:51 > 0:20:53Oh, they're cute!
0:20:53 > 0:20:57- Baby hedgehogs are called hoglets. - Called hoglets!
0:20:57 > 0:21:00- Cute.- There they are.
0:21:00 > 0:21:02OK. No money added to the prize pot.
0:21:02 > 0:21:03We still have a chance, though,
0:21:03 > 0:21:06for another £500. Here it comes.
0:21:24 > 0:21:28I'm drawn to A but I need some confirmation.
0:21:28 > 0:21:30OK, you need a little bit of help on this from the panel.
0:21:30 > 0:21:34- Panel, your debate starts now.- OK.
0:21:34 > 0:21:37- Well, deeper than the English Channel, no.- No.- Really?
0:21:37 > 0:21:40Nearly twice the surface area of Lake Windermere?
0:21:40 > 0:21:42- I'm not sure about that. - It's big, though.
0:21:42 > 0:21:43Whereas Oslo...
0:21:43 > 0:21:46I mean, that's the kind of thing, it would be right, wouldn't it?
0:21:46 > 0:21:49They'd put it up and the people in Norway complained.
0:21:49 > 0:21:51- What do you mean by the people in Norway?- Well, by putting it up,
0:21:51 > 0:21:55- this is a serious show. - OK, right, I see.
0:21:55 > 0:21:58- "So you don't know much about Oslo, do you?"- Yes, yes.
0:21:58 > 0:22:00- You think this may cause a diplomatic incident?- It could do.
0:22:00 > 0:22:04I think it's more likely to be sucking up to the Norwegians
0:22:04 > 0:22:08- saying we know about where Oslo is. - Right.- Yes. What do you think, Liz?
0:22:08 > 0:22:10I mean, I think it's a massive body of water.
0:22:10 > 0:22:12That's only because I went when I was little.
0:22:12 > 0:22:14- Did you see the monster? - Of course, yep.
0:22:14 > 0:22:16How was Nessie that day?
0:22:16 > 0:22:20Well, he was hidden because it's so deep, possibly deeper than
0:22:20 > 0:22:22- the English Channel, you see. - JUNE LAUGHS
0:22:22 > 0:22:23That's what I'm not sure about.
0:22:23 > 0:22:25I think, I'm not sure about the Oslo one.
0:22:25 > 0:22:29I think it's big, I think it could be A.
0:22:29 > 0:22:32John, the contestant, sort of thought A, didn't he?
0:22:32 > 0:22:34So I think we're going to go with A.
0:22:34 > 0:22:38We're going to go with A, nearly twice the size of Lake Windermere.
0:22:40 > 0:22:43So, the panel are suggesting it's nearly twice the surface area
0:22:43 > 0:22:45of Lake Windermere.
0:22:45 > 0:22:48I've got to go with my gut, I've got to do with my gut initially,
0:22:48 > 0:22:51I'm going to with A, nearly twice the surface area of Lake Windermere.
0:22:51 > 0:22:54It's got to be. I've got to go with my gut.
0:22:54 > 0:22:57OK, you're going with your gut, you're also going with the panel.
0:22:57 > 0:23:00For £500, the correct statement is...
0:23:05 > 0:23:06No way!
0:23:06 > 0:23:08- JUNE:- Wow!
0:23:08 > 0:23:10- Really?- Oh, dear.
0:23:10 > 0:23:12Well, Liz, actually suggested that.
0:23:12 > 0:23:14When I was a child...
0:23:14 > 0:23:18Loch Ness is much more than twice the surface area of Lake Windermere.
0:23:18 > 0:23:21Loch Ness is approximately 22 square miles,
0:23:21 > 0:23:24Lake Windermere is approximately six square miles.
0:23:24 > 0:23:31Loch Ness is roughly level with the northernmost part of Denmark.
0:23:31 > 0:23:33- Oh, dear.- Oh, dear, John. JOHN CHUCKLES
0:23:33 > 0:23:34Oh, dear, indeed.
0:23:34 > 0:23:36Bad luck, panel. Bad luck, John.
0:23:36 > 0:23:40It means, at the end of Round Three, your prize pot is up to £1,200.
0:23:40 > 0:23:42APPLAUSE
0:23:44 > 0:23:48A tidy enough sum. Any plans for the cash if you manage to win it today?
0:23:48 > 0:23:51If I win, I'm going to give the money to my daughter's
0:23:51 > 0:23:54- special needs school. - Fantastic. That's a great...
0:23:54 > 0:23:56- JUNE:- Love you.
0:23:56 > 0:23:58Yeah. APPLAUSE
0:23:58 > 0:24:01- Fair play to you on that, fair play. - There you go.
0:24:01 > 0:24:04OK, John, between you and that money is one question.
0:24:04 > 0:24:05It is the final debate.
0:24:05 > 0:24:07In the final debate you will have six possible answers,
0:24:07 > 0:24:09only three of them are correct.
0:24:09 > 0:24:11I need you to give me all three correct answers
0:24:11 > 0:24:13in order to win the money today.
0:24:13 > 0:24:15But you are not on your own.
0:24:15 > 0:24:18You will choose one of these fine panellists to assist you.
0:24:18 > 0:24:22So, will you be saying hello to Adele's biggest fan, John Sergeant?
0:24:22 > 0:24:25Will you be dancing with our very own lemon disco, June Sarpong?
0:24:25 > 0:24:29Or will you be hedgehogging your bets with Liz Carr?
0:24:29 > 0:24:31I think I'm going for the pop knowledge.
0:24:31 > 0:24:34- Pop maestro himself, it must be John Sergeant.- OK, you're going for John.
0:24:34 > 0:24:36John, will you come and join us as we play the final today.
0:24:36 > 0:24:39APPLAUSE
0:24:42 > 0:24:45OK, John and John, it is the final debate.
0:24:45 > 0:24:47John to John, make the decision choosing John?
0:24:47 > 0:24:50I'm not feeling confident because there's real money involved,
0:24:50 > 0:24:53and it's going to be my fault, isn't it, if we don't get this right?
0:24:53 > 0:24:55- It is.- Yeah.- I think it is, John, to be honest.
0:24:55 > 0:24:56LAUGHTER
0:24:56 > 0:24:58It's worse than I thought.
0:24:58 > 0:24:59Because it is the final debate,
0:24:59 > 0:25:01we're going to give you a choice between two.
0:25:01 > 0:25:05So, Johns, have a look at this, tell me what you fancy?
0:25:10 > 0:25:14- What do you think?- I don't know. - Literature means books.- Yeah.
0:25:14 > 0:25:16I'm not a great reader but I can read that!
0:25:17 > 0:25:20I've watched a few films in my time, I must be honest.
0:25:20 > 0:25:23- Do you like a film? - I don't mind a bit of film, yeah.
0:25:23 > 0:25:26- Or "fil-m", in Patrick's language. - Yeah, "fil-m".
0:25:26 > 0:25:28- Yeah, I'll go with "Fil-m". - OK, "Fil-m".
0:25:28 > 0:25:31"Fil-m"? You'll go for "Fil-m"? LAUGHTER
0:25:31 > 0:25:34OK, you're going for Film.
0:25:34 > 0:25:36There's going to be 45 seconds on the clock.
0:25:36 > 0:25:39Six possible answers up there. Only three are correct.
0:25:39 > 0:25:42We need all three to win the money.
0:25:42 > 0:25:44OK, best of luck. Here it comes.
0:25:44 > 0:25:46Your final debate question.
0:26:07 > 0:26:10Your final debate starts now.
0:26:10 > 0:26:12OK, Plenty O'Toole, yes.
0:26:13 > 0:26:16Oh, I don't know. Appeared? Modesty Blaise has definitely appeared.
0:26:16 > 0:26:21Has appeared. Er, you want Plenty O'Toole, I say no, you say yes, OK.
0:26:21 > 0:26:23I don't know the rest of them.
0:26:23 > 0:26:25- Well, we've got to guess, haven't we?- Very much so.
0:26:25 > 0:26:28Truly Scrumptious sound silly enough. How about that?
0:26:28 > 0:26:29That's three.
0:26:29 > 0:26:34- Oh. We need to pick the three that we believe.- Oh.
0:26:34 > 0:26:35- Not the ones that haven't.- OK.
0:26:35 > 0:26:38- 20 seconds.- Who do you think?
0:26:38 > 0:26:40I think Modesty Blaise has appeared.
0:26:40 > 0:26:44- You think, er, you think Plenty O'Toole?- I think Plenty O'Toole.
0:26:44 > 0:26:47- OK, so Plenty O'Toole. - Ten seconds.- And Modesty Blaise.
0:26:47 > 0:26:50- So we want one more then. - Just guess one of them.- Er...
0:26:52 > 0:26:55- Bibi Dahl.- OK.- OK with that one.
0:26:55 > 0:26:57- Bibi Dahl.- Bibi Dahl.
0:26:57 > 0:26:58So your three answers are...
0:26:58 > 0:27:03Er, Modesty Blaise, Plenty O'Toole and Bibi Dahl.
0:27:03 > 0:27:05OK, John, you know how the game works,
0:27:05 > 0:27:08I need all three answers to be correct for you to win the £1,200.
0:27:08 > 0:27:12So, the one you were most sure about was?
0:27:12 > 0:27:14- Modesty Blaise.- Modesty Blaise.
0:27:14 > 0:27:18We need Modesty Blaise to have appeared in a Bond film
0:27:18 > 0:27:21to keep us on track for the £1,200.
0:27:21 > 0:27:25Is Modesty Blaise a correct answer?
0:27:30 > 0:27:34- Oh, great(!)- Oh, John, it's the wrong answer. I'm so sorry.
0:27:34 > 0:27:40- Mm.- Modesty Blaise was in a 1960s comic strip but not in a Bond movie.
0:27:40 > 0:27:43- Over before we started. - I know, we're gutted.
0:27:43 > 0:27:46I'm afraid it is over before we even got going, John.
0:27:46 > 0:27:49Let's have a look at the other answers.
0:27:49 > 0:27:51John Sergeant thought Plenty O'Toole. Plenty O'Toole was correct.
0:27:51 > 0:27:53Bibi Dahl was also correct.
0:27:53 > 0:27:58And Xenia Onatopp was a Bond character.
0:27:58 > 0:28:01I'm so sorry, John. You've been a great player.
0:28:01 > 0:28:04Give it up one more time for John. Thanks for coming in.
0:28:04 > 0:28:06- Yeah, well done. Sorry about that. - No, it's not your fault,
0:28:06 > 0:28:09I chose that. It was my choice.
0:28:09 > 0:28:10That is it for Debatable.
0:28:10 > 0:28:13Just enough time for me to thank our fantastic panel.
0:28:13 > 0:28:15To John Sergeant, to Liz Carr and June Sarpong.
0:28:15 > 0:28:17APPLAUSE
0:28:18 > 0:28:20I do hope you've enjoyed watching.
0:28:20 > 0:28:22We'll see you next time for more heated debates.
0:28:22 > 0:28:24For now, it's goodbye from me.