0:00:02 > 0:00:04This programme contains very strong language.
0:00:28 > 0:00:31Hi, hi! I'm not late, am I?
0:00:31 > 0:00:33No, no, we're still waiting on a few people.
0:00:33 > 0:00:34Help yourself to a beverage.
0:00:34 > 0:00:37- Thank you.- Hello.
0:00:37 > 0:00:40Hi. I'll just have a black coffee, please.
0:00:40 > 0:00:42- OK.- Oh, no, no.
0:00:42 > 0:00:43Jackie doesn't work here.
0:00:43 > 0:00:45She's our member of the public.
0:00:45 > 0:00:47She's actually on the jury.
0:00:47 > 0:00:48Oh! Oh, gosh, sorry.
0:00:48 > 0:00:51- I didn't mean to...- Oh, that's all right, I don't mind!
0:00:51 > 0:00:52I'm Clive Carol. Pleased to meet you.
0:00:52 > 0:00:55Clive's one of our finest writers, aren't you?
0:00:55 > 0:00:57He won the Breakthrough Talent Award for television drama.
0:00:57 > 0:00:58Oh, wow! When was this?
0:00:58 > 0:01:01- Oh, a couple of years ago. - 2003, wasn't it?
0:01:01 > 0:01:03Er...
0:01:03 > 0:01:05Was it that long ago? Yeah, I suppose it was, actually.
0:01:05 > 0:01:07Now, obviously you'll know Rupert.
0:01:07 > 0:01:10- Have you two worked together? - No, I'd love to. Huge fan.- Hello.
0:01:10 > 0:01:13And this is Gordon Norris.
0:01:13 > 0:01:16- Yeah, we know each other. - Hi, Gordon.- Hi.
0:01:16 > 0:01:19It's all a bit bloody pointless, if you ask me.
0:01:19 > 0:01:22We already know who's going to win, don't we?
0:01:22 > 0:01:24What's she called, the girl who's in everything?
0:01:24 > 0:01:25Shona Andrews.
0:01:25 > 0:01:28Let's not prejudge. There's a long way to go yet.
0:01:28 > 0:01:32Gordon, I don't know if you've had a chance to have a quick read of that script I sent through?
0:01:32 > 0:01:35No, I haven't, Clive. I'm in post on Doctor Who and I'm prepping the new
0:01:35 > 0:01:38Jimmy Nesbitt vehicle, so I'm a little tied up at the moment.
0:01:38 > 0:01:40Yeah, it's just that Sky are really, really interested.
0:01:40 > 0:01:43And, you know, script by me, directed by you, that's a really good package.
0:01:43 > 0:01:47Yes, Clive. It's on the list, but it's, er... It's not for now.
0:01:47 > 0:01:49Absolutely. I agree. Whatever you say.
0:01:49 > 0:01:51Oh, it's here, April!
0:01:51 > 0:01:53We're in here!
0:01:53 > 0:01:55Hello, everybody.
0:01:55 > 0:01:56Hi, hi.
0:01:56 > 0:01:58Hello, I'm Giles.
0:01:58 > 0:02:00- I'm the chair.- Oh, and I'm Paula and I'm the couch.
0:02:00 > 0:02:02THEY LAUGH
0:02:02 > 0:02:04Rupert?
0:02:04 > 0:02:07God, YOU'RE here?
0:02:07 > 0:02:10Oh, you got old!
0:02:12 > 0:02:15Oh, have you met? What was your name, sweetheart?
0:02:15 > 0:02:17- April, May...- June.
0:02:17 > 0:02:18Yes, I know Rupert.
0:02:18 > 0:02:20I've interviewed him on several occasions.
0:02:20 > 0:02:22- Hello, again.- Hello.
0:02:25 > 0:02:26- Who is this?- Got no idea.
0:02:26 > 0:02:28BELL RINGS
0:02:28 > 0:02:29Right well, we are all met,
0:02:29 > 0:02:33so shall we make a start as there's a huge amount to get through?
0:02:34 > 0:02:37Can I suggest we begin in time-honoured fashion by just going around the
0:02:37 > 0:02:39room and saying who we are and what we do?
0:02:39 > 0:02:42So, I'm Giles Grindlay-Orme,
0:02:42 > 0:02:46and I am Associate Chair of the Television Committee here at the Academy.
0:02:46 > 0:02:49I'm June Bright and I'm an alcoholic.
0:02:52 > 0:02:53No!
0:02:53 > 0:02:58I'm a journalist and TV critic for the Sunday Mirror.
0:02:58 > 0:03:04Rupert Dennis, actor, treader of boards, now old, apparently.
0:03:08 > 0:03:11Oh, is it me? I'm Jackie.
0:03:11 > 0:03:14I'm a dentist's receptionist.
0:03:14 > 0:03:17I've never done anything like this before.
0:03:17 > 0:03:18I won a competition.
0:03:18 > 0:03:21Yes, I should point out the Academy thought it was very important to hear
0:03:21 > 0:03:22the voice of the viewer.
0:03:22 > 0:03:27So, this year each jury has a member of the public giving us the benefit
0:03:27 > 0:03:29of their unique insight.
0:03:29 > 0:03:30Gordon?
0:03:31 > 0:03:34Oh, yes. Gordon Norris.
0:03:34 > 0:03:35Film and TV director.
0:03:35 > 0:03:37Hi.
0:03:37 > 0:03:39Clive Carol, scribbler, dreamer.
0:03:41 > 0:03:44Also a member of the public. I did win the Breakthrough Talent Award.
0:03:44 > 0:03:45Yada, yada, yada!
0:03:45 > 0:03:47I'm Paula, you all know me.
0:03:47 > 0:03:50And I'm here doing a West End show.
0:03:50 > 0:03:53And I've got a costume fitting at four, so we'd better, you know...
0:03:53 > 0:03:54Oh, absolutely, thank you, Paula.
0:03:54 > 0:03:58So, we are here to judge the Best Actress category.
0:03:58 > 0:04:01I have to ask that you have all watched the performances up for consideration this year
0:04:01 > 0:04:05and that there are no conflicts of interest that may colour your judgment.
0:04:05 > 0:04:08Right, well, let's begin.
0:04:08 > 0:04:11As you know, we have a longlist of eight names,
0:04:11 > 0:04:14which we need to whittle down to four nominees.
0:04:14 > 0:04:16I'm sure we can get rid of a few of these pretty quickly.
0:04:16 > 0:04:18Zoe Chappell?
0:04:18 > 0:04:20- No.- No.- No.
0:04:20 > 0:04:21She's off the list.
0:04:21 > 0:04:22Erm...
0:04:22 > 0:04:24Tina Waddingham, anyone?
0:04:24 > 0:04:25- She was good.- Not for me.
0:04:25 > 0:04:29- No, me neither.- Yeah, I don't think it's her year.
0:04:29 > 0:04:31As I thought.
0:04:31 > 0:04:33What about Brenda Dobbie?
0:04:33 > 0:04:34ALL: No!
0:04:34 > 0:04:36OK.
0:04:36 > 0:04:37That's pretty clear. Poor Brenda.
0:04:39 > 0:04:42- Kelly Marsden?- Absolutely not.
0:04:42 > 0:04:45I don't understand how she even got on the list.
0:04:45 > 0:04:46I've interviewed Kelly.
0:04:46 > 0:04:49She's a very clever girl, believe me. Very ambitious.
0:04:49 > 0:04:52Yeah, you've always been great at fingering the new talent.
0:04:52 > 0:04:55Can we keep the discussion just to her acting ability, please?
0:04:55 > 0:04:58Well, in that case, I thought she was pretty good.
0:04:58 > 0:05:01- I liked her.- Well, that's good enough for me.
0:05:01 > 0:05:02Samira Denham?
0:05:04 > 0:05:06Terrible. Too young.
0:05:06 > 0:05:09Well, you know, Samira can be good. She just needs a good director.
0:05:09 > 0:05:12I don't know what was going on with her acting. She was supposed to be doing Cockney.
0:05:12 > 0:05:15- She sounded like she was Australian. - Yeah, she's shit. It was like,
0:05:15 > 0:05:18"Go down the apples and pears and get me some jellied eels!"
0:05:18 > 0:05:20I'm just agreeing with you, Gordon.
0:05:20 > 0:05:21Yeah, that is so true.
0:05:21 > 0:05:23Well, she's gone.
0:05:23 > 0:05:26So, by my reckoning that leaves us with a shortlist of Shona Andrews,
0:05:26 > 0:05:30Dame Dorothy Sutton, Kelly Marsden and Anna Adeyemi.
0:05:30 > 0:05:33Is everyone happy with these four as our nominees?
0:05:33 > 0:05:34- Yes.- Yes.- Yes.- Good.
0:05:34 > 0:05:35Well, that was painless.
0:05:39 > 0:05:42So, what we'll do now is discuss each one in turn,
0:05:42 > 0:05:46then you'll all get a chance to vote anonymously to determine the winner.
0:05:46 > 0:05:49I myself will remain impartial.
0:05:49 > 0:05:51OK, let's kick off with Shona.
0:05:53 > 0:05:54Who wants to start?
0:05:55 > 0:05:56Jackie!
0:05:58 > 0:06:00Just brilliant.
0:06:00 > 0:06:02She's always brilliant, isn't she?
0:06:02 > 0:06:04You could watch her in anything.
0:06:04 > 0:06:08She did that thing a couple of years ago when she was a nurse.
0:06:08 > 0:06:10- What was that called?- Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
0:06:10 > 0:06:12Look, I mean, I've never worked with her.
0:06:12 > 0:06:13But the camera loves her.
0:06:13 > 0:06:17She's got that 360 range and she's always, always committed.
0:06:17 > 0:06:20- I think she nailed it. - Paula, would you agree?
0:06:20 > 0:06:24Shona Andrews stole my heart.
0:06:24 > 0:06:27Moving, truthful, devastating.
0:06:27 > 0:06:30This was a different kind of role for her, wasn't it?
0:06:30 > 0:06:31Just talk a little bit about that.
0:06:31 > 0:06:35Well, this was a different kind of role for her, totally different.
0:06:36 > 0:06:38She played, er...
0:06:38 > 0:06:40Madam Curry.
0:06:40 > 0:06:44- Marie Curie.- Yes, the woman who invented the radio.
0:06:44 > 0:06:47And I totally bought it, the whole package.
0:06:47 > 0:06:50Yeah, she is what I call one of the anointed.
0:06:50 > 0:06:51She can do no wrong.
0:06:51 > 0:06:54And even though she was 30 years too young for the part,
0:06:54 > 0:06:56I have to admit she was really very good.
0:06:56 > 0:06:58Well, what does it matter how old she is?
0:06:58 > 0:07:00She brought Marie Curie to life for me.
0:07:00 > 0:07:03I mean, it was a very dry and boring subject,
0:07:03 > 0:07:06but my ex-partner and I sat there transfixed.
0:07:06 > 0:07:09I never even knew Marie Curie was a real person.
0:07:09 > 0:07:11I thought it was a magazine.
0:07:11 > 0:07:12And that made it even more...
0:07:14 > 0:07:17..better, if that's not a stupid thing to say.
0:07:17 > 0:07:19No. No, no, it isn't, not at all.
0:07:19 > 0:07:22It's exactly that kind of observation we were hoping to get from you, Jackie.
0:07:22 > 0:07:24Well done.
0:07:24 > 0:07:26I have a problem with this actress.
0:07:26 > 0:07:28She mumbles.
0:07:28 > 0:07:31I couldn't make out half of what she said.
0:07:31 > 0:07:35Having said that, I was a blubbering wreck by the end.
0:07:35 > 0:07:37A remarkable performance.
0:07:38 > 0:07:40- I agree.- Oh, great.
0:07:40 > 0:07:42- Can we go now?- No, no, no.
0:07:42 > 0:07:44We have to discuss all the nominees,
0:07:44 > 0:07:48but let's just put a big tick for now and move on to Dame Dorothy.
0:07:49 > 0:07:53- Rupert?- Mmm?- I'm guessing you had no problems with her diction?
0:07:53 > 0:07:55Absolutely not.
0:07:55 > 0:07:56Clear as a bell.
0:07:56 > 0:07:59I've got a lot of time for Dotty.
0:07:59 > 0:08:03We came up through the RSC together.
0:08:03 > 0:08:05Isn't that a conflict of interest?
0:08:05 > 0:08:08No, we were on nodding terms, that's all.
0:08:08 > 0:08:11She did a lot of nodding, from what I heard.
0:08:11 > 0:08:13- Let's just...- What's that supposed to mean?
0:08:13 > 0:08:15Oh, come on, Rupert. You and Dame Dotty do have a history.
0:08:15 > 0:08:16You can't deny it.
0:08:16 > 0:08:22I don't think a handjob in the car park of the Dirty Duck in 1976
0:08:22 > 0:08:25is going to cloud my judgment.
0:08:25 > 0:08:28- Well, it does colour things slightly.- Oh, come off it, she did it for everybody!
0:08:28 > 0:08:31- Well, let's not...- Robin Nedwell, Brian Glover...
0:08:31 > 0:08:34I think we're going a little bit off-piste there.
0:08:34 > 0:08:36But for the sake of complete impartiality,
0:08:36 > 0:08:39why don't you sit out on this one, Rupert, if you don't mind?
0:08:39 > 0:08:40Fine.
0:08:42 > 0:08:44Mumbling girl's going to win it anyway.
0:08:46 > 0:08:47Paula?
0:08:48 > 0:08:52Dorothy Sutton stole my heart.
0:08:52 > 0:08:55She was perfectly cast in the role,
0:08:55 > 0:09:02which saw her transform from waspish librarian to warm-hearted widow with
0:09:02 > 0:09:05all the skill of a seasoned pro.
0:09:05 > 0:09:07Hang on, that's my review!
0:09:07 > 0:09:09I wrote that for the Sunday Mirror.
0:09:09 > 0:09:10- Great minds think alike.- Oh!
0:09:12 > 0:09:14Paula, you have watched all these performances, haven't you?
0:09:14 > 0:09:17Sure, sure, my agent set me up with all the links.
0:09:17 > 0:09:19OK. Gordon, what did you think?
0:09:19 > 0:09:23Yeah, I mean, yeah, she's a national treasure and she's given a lot of people
0:09:23 > 0:09:24a lot of pleasure over the years.
0:09:24 > 0:09:27Some more than others, apparently.
0:09:27 > 0:09:29But I feel in this case she was let down by the script,
0:09:29 > 0:09:32which just didn't seem to go anywhere original.
0:09:32 > 0:09:35Yeah, I agree. I agree, because the script should take you on a journey, shouldn't it?
0:09:35 > 0:09:39So if you read episode one, you really want to know what happens in episode two,
0:09:39 > 0:09:41and there are many more ideas that can be explored there.
0:09:43 > 0:09:45- I will read it, Clive. - Brilliant, no worries.
0:09:45 > 0:09:48Let's just remember what this award is for, Best Actress,
0:09:48 > 0:09:51and we should be focusing on just the elements of performance.
0:09:51 > 0:09:55Jackie, let's get the view from the sofa, as it were.
0:09:55 > 0:09:57Are you a Dame Dotty fan?
0:09:57 > 0:10:01I love her. She really reminds me of my grandma.
0:10:01 > 0:10:04Apart from the wanking men off in car parks bit.
0:10:05 > 0:10:09But she's always so funny and so...
0:10:10 > 0:10:13..twinkly, if that's a word?
0:10:13 > 0:10:15It is. It is a word.
0:10:15 > 0:10:19But it's interesting, because the character she's played here, Mrs Crabbe,
0:10:19 > 0:10:22is actually quite cantankerous and sour to begin with, isn't she?
0:10:22 > 0:10:26Yeah. And that's what makes her a good actress,
0:10:26 > 0:10:29because she's not like that in real life, is she?
0:10:33 > 0:10:35She doesn't suffer fools, put it that way.
0:10:37 > 0:10:38Yeah, she knows what she wants.
0:10:40 > 0:10:44In terms of performance, though, another tick.
0:10:44 > 0:10:46Right, next up is Kelly Marsden.
0:10:46 > 0:10:48Who wants to talk about Kelly?
0:10:48 > 0:10:51Kelly Marsden stole my heart.
0:10:51 > 0:10:52- What, again?- Yes.
0:10:53 > 0:10:55All these girls are real, moving.
0:10:55 > 0:10:58I don't want to choose between them, but we have to, right?
0:10:58 > 0:11:01Yes, but based on the performances that we have all definitely seen.
0:11:01 > 0:11:04Absolutely. But let me just say one thing here.
0:11:04 > 0:11:10You cannot judge between this cup of coffee or this cup of coffee or this cup of coffee.
0:11:10 > 0:11:11This is tea.
0:11:11 > 0:11:17Whatever. All I mean is all these girls are real, moving.
0:11:17 > 0:11:20They're all uniquely brilliant and you cannot sit in judgment of these performances.
0:11:20 > 0:11:23Of course we bloody can - that's what we're here for.
0:11:23 > 0:11:27- Well, there speaks a man who's never been up for an award, because if you had...- Excuse me!
0:11:27 > 0:11:31Because if you had, you would know to be entered into a race
0:11:31 > 0:11:35you did not choose to enter, and then to lose...
0:11:35 > 0:11:36to Jessica Lange...
0:11:40 > 0:11:41Well, that hurts.
0:11:43 > 0:11:48- Period.- And I know, because when I won Breakthrough Talent in 2003... - Yeah, Clive, OK...
0:11:48 > 0:11:51Sorry, can I just bring this back to the acting bit?
0:11:51 > 0:11:53Yes, thank you, Jackie, please do.
0:11:53 > 0:11:56This Kelly girl, she made me and my mum cry.
0:11:56 > 0:11:59Good. Not good, but...
0:11:59 > 0:12:02- Carry on.- She was just so moving and believable,
0:12:02 > 0:12:04I totally cared what happened to her.
0:12:04 > 0:12:06She is definitely talented.
0:12:06 > 0:12:10I mean, you know, she's auditioned for me a couple of times, not got them, obviously, but, I think,
0:12:10 > 0:12:13I think this has just come a little bit too soon for her.
0:12:13 > 0:12:15Is this the flat-chested one?
0:12:15 > 0:12:17- Didn't like it.- Rupert!
0:12:17 > 0:12:19Am I not allowed an opinion on this one either?
0:12:19 > 0:12:21Look, Kelly's come up through the soaps,
0:12:21 > 0:12:23and I think they learn a lot of bad habits.
0:12:23 > 0:12:27But, getting back to what Gordon said, I think he's right.
0:12:27 > 0:12:32I think in a couple of years, we could be looking at a Suranne Jones or a Sarah Lancashire.
0:12:32 > 0:12:33But not yet.
0:12:33 > 0:12:35I'm with Gordon on this one, I'm afraid.
0:12:35 > 0:12:37I wasn't convinced. If you're going to be addicted to gambling,
0:12:37 > 0:12:41live on a council estate, you've got to do more than scrape your hair back, paint a love bite on,
0:12:41 > 0:12:44- I'm sorry.- OK, OK, so not the most glowing comments we've had.
0:12:44 > 0:12:48I'm just going to put a question mark next to Kelly for now.
0:12:48 > 0:12:51Finally, Anna Adeyemi,
0:12:51 > 0:12:55who played Trish in Channel 4's Clickbait.
0:12:56 > 0:12:58Who wants to talk about her?
0:12:59 > 0:13:01Gordon.
0:13:05 > 0:13:09- What are you all looking at me for? - Just because you are a director and
0:13:09 > 0:13:11you may well have some thoughts on...
0:13:11 > 0:13:13- The black actress.- No, no, no, not at all.
0:13:13 > 0:13:17She is AN actress nominated for this award.
0:13:17 > 0:13:19Oh, so it's not the coloured girl?
0:13:19 > 0:13:20- What did you...- It's...
0:13:20 > 0:13:24The nominee we are discussing is Anna Adeyemi.
0:13:24 > 0:13:26Anna Adeyemi stole my heart.
0:13:26 > 0:13:27I see what this is.
0:13:27 > 0:13:30I see what this... I now understand why I'm on the panel.
0:13:30 > 0:13:33It's my unique insight into all things black.
0:13:33 > 0:13:36Not at all. You are here because you are a valued industry professional,
0:13:36 > 0:13:38same as everybody else.
0:13:38 > 0:13:41- Except Jackie.- Well, we have to have one, don't we?
0:13:41 > 0:13:42I read it somewhere.
0:13:42 > 0:13:45- Isn't that right, Giles?- No, no, no. That's not...- I just can't believe this.
0:13:45 > 0:13:48No, what I meant is, it's a good thing.
0:13:48 > 0:13:50We ought to have one.
0:13:50 > 0:13:52Bloody hell. They damn you if you do, damn you if you don't.
0:13:52 > 0:13:58- Rupert, stop it now.- Look, it is not my fault that Idris Elba didn't make a TV show this year,
0:13:58 > 0:14:00so you can all tick your little diversity box and have at it.
0:14:00 > 0:14:03- Oh, come on!- You know what? This is bullshit.
0:14:04 > 0:14:08- I'm leaving.- No, no, no. - I am leaving! I'm leaving!
0:14:08 > 0:14:10We need you on this panel.
0:14:10 > 0:14:11Hear, hear.
0:14:19 > 0:14:20Fine.
0:14:21 > 0:14:22Fine, Giles.
0:14:24 > 0:14:29But let it be known that I do not want to go first in this discussion.
0:14:29 > 0:14:31Understood.
0:14:31 > 0:14:32Thank you.
0:14:33 > 0:14:35Clive.
0:14:35 > 0:14:37What did you think of Anna's performance?
0:14:46 > 0:14:47Er...
0:14:48 > 0:14:50I think she...
0:14:52 > 0:14:53..was...
0:14:54 > 0:14:56..brilliant.
0:14:56 > 0:14:59Actually. It's a very contemporary story, very well told.
0:15:00 > 0:15:04She brought great authenticity to that world, it was fantastic.
0:15:06 > 0:15:10- Jackie.- Again, really, really good.
0:15:10 > 0:15:14I actually couldn't see her acting.
0:15:14 > 0:15:19And that really added to the storyline, in my eyes.
0:15:19 > 0:15:21Well, we already know what Paula thinks.
0:15:21 > 0:15:22June.
0:15:22 > 0:15:27I've always loved her. I've given her two thumbs up in the past.
0:15:27 > 0:15:28Isn't that a conflict-of-interest?
0:15:28 > 0:15:30I'd be very happy if she got this award.
0:15:30 > 0:15:32Rupert, what did you make of Anna?
0:15:32 > 0:15:36Truthfully, I wasn't that impressed,
0:15:36 > 0:15:38I'm afraid to say.
0:15:38 > 0:15:39Another mumbler.
0:15:39 > 0:15:44I found her very wooden, unsympathetic, woefully miscast.
0:15:44 > 0:15:46I'm sorry, but there it is.
0:15:46 > 0:15:47All right. And, er...
0:15:49 > 0:15:51..finally, Gordon.
0:15:53 > 0:15:56Well, I have to say that I agree with, erm...
0:15:58 > 0:15:59..with Rupert.
0:16:01 > 0:16:03I thought she was out of her depth.
0:16:03 > 0:16:06She didn't quite have the emotional range and I felt that she fell
0:16:06 > 0:16:08far short of what was required.
0:16:08 > 0:16:09Yep, I agree. Can see that.
0:16:09 > 0:16:13Wait a minute, you said you thought she was brilliant, like, a second ago.
0:16:13 > 0:16:15Well, I'm allowed to change my mind.
0:16:15 > 0:16:17Gordon's made some really interesting points.
0:16:17 > 0:16:20And how could you say she lacked the emotional range? She went through the mill in this.
0:16:20 > 0:16:24I don't know, June. How could you say my direction of Hotel Babylon gave you a headache?
0:16:24 > 0:16:25I never said that. Well, mmm...
0:16:25 > 0:16:29"Gordon Morris directs like a toddler with ADHD and his showy camera moves
0:16:29 > 0:16:32- "had me reaching for the paracetamol in the first ten minutes."- Gordon, I think that's...
0:16:32 > 0:16:35Like I said, Gordon, it's water under the bridge. It doesn't matter.
0:16:35 > 0:16:38Yeah, I know it doesn't matter, cos nothing that you do matters, June(!)
0:16:38 > 0:16:42- What's that supposed to mean?- You don't have to answer that, Gordon. - No, I want to answer it.
0:16:42 > 0:16:45- Let him speak.- You, you are a parasite. Jackie has more to contribute than you.
0:16:45 > 0:16:48Leave it, honey. You only ever remember your bad reviews.
0:16:48 > 0:16:49You must have a bloody good memory.
0:16:49 > 0:16:52Fuck you, you withered asshole.
0:16:52 > 0:16:54All right, everybody, please, let's just, er...
0:16:55 > 0:16:57Let's just calm down.
0:16:57 > 0:17:00I suggest we take a five-minute break, come back.
0:17:00 > 0:17:02And, if we can, choose a winner.
0:17:04 > 0:17:06Just going for a pee and a ciggy.
0:17:07 > 0:17:09I'm sorry about that, old chap.
0:17:09 > 0:17:11Crossed wires, I think.
0:17:11 > 0:17:13- No offence.- It's fine.
0:17:21 > 0:17:23Jesus.
0:17:23 > 0:17:26- Bit awkward, wasn't it?- Yeah, he's apologised, it's fine.
0:17:27 > 0:17:32Just so you know, there's going to be lots of diversity in Blood Oranges.
0:17:33 > 0:17:35- Blood Oranges?- My script.
0:17:35 > 0:17:39- I know you haven't read it.- Oh, yeah, yeah, no, no, I haven't.
0:17:39 > 0:17:43Well, when you do, just bear in mind that any of the characters could be...
0:17:46 > 0:17:47..diversified.
0:17:49 > 0:17:52- What do you mean?- Just that if there's anything you don't like or you
0:17:52 > 0:17:56don't agree with, I don't mind changing it.
0:17:56 > 0:17:58Clive, you're not supposed to feel that about your own script.
0:17:58 > 0:18:00You're supposed to be protective of it.
0:18:00 > 0:18:03- I want a writer that totally believes in their work. - But I am, I do.
0:18:03 > 0:18:08But, equally, I don't mind completely changing it if it means it'll get made.
0:18:24 > 0:18:26You all right?
0:18:27 > 0:18:29Yes.
0:18:29 > 0:18:30Just having a little think.
0:18:32 > 0:18:35So, how did you win this competition, Jackie?
0:18:35 > 0:18:37I had to write a pretend review of a programme.
0:18:37 > 0:18:39Oh, what did you choose?
0:18:39 > 0:18:43- Bake Off.- Oh, yeah, I reviewed that once.
0:18:43 > 0:18:45I did the whole thing as if it were a recipe.
0:18:45 > 0:18:48- Take two ripe presenters, that sort of thing.- Oh!
0:18:50 > 0:18:51Sounds good.
0:18:52 > 0:18:54I'd love to have your job.
0:18:54 > 0:18:55Do you enjoy it?
0:18:56 > 0:19:00Well, I'm invited to every premiere.
0:19:00 > 0:19:03I'm at every awards ceremony.
0:19:03 > 0:19:06I get to walk the red carpet alongside the stars.
0:19:06 > 0:19:11I get to visit the sets of all my favourite TV shows, sitting in the corner.
0:19:13 > 0:19:14Watching these...
0:19:15 > 0:19:17..amazing things.
0:19:19 > 0:19:23And... I've got nothing to do with any of it.
0:19:24 > 0:19:25He's right.
0:19:28 > 0:19:30I'm the loneliest woman in the world.
0:19:30 > 0:19:31So, Paula, how's the play going?
0:19:31 > 0:19:33Oh, it's a piece of shit, honey.
0:19:33 > 0:19:35What theatre are you in?
0:19:35 > 0:19:38Oh, the Trafalgar Studios, that's West End, right?
0:19:38 > 0:19:40Yes, technically.
0:19:40 > 0:19:43- Who's directing it? - Nobody, that's the problem.
0:19:43 > 0:19:45But we'll get through it.
0:19:45 > 0:19:47That's what we do.
0:19:47 > 0:19:49So, um, I've just been speaking to your agent.
0:19:49 > 0:19:53She said she did send through a link to the viewing portal.
0:19:53 > 0:19:57- That's right.- She also gave you some notes about each of the nominees.
0:19:57 > 0:19:59What are you getting at, Giles?
0:19:59 > 0:20:01Shit, or get off the pot.
0:20:01 > 0:20:04Just that it is a requirement, as per the declaration you signed,
0:20:04 > 0:20:07that you have actually watched the performances we're discussing.
0:20:07 > 0:20:09Don't worry about that.
0:20:09 > 0:20:11I know all these bitches.
0:20:11 > 0:20:14I don't know who they are, but they're types.
0:20:14 > 0:20:17The star, the dame, the girl next door, and the ingenue.
0:20:17 > 0:20:20- I don't think...- Honey, I vote in the Academy Awards.
0:20:20 > 0:20:24I picked the best film nine times in the past ten years,
0:20:24 > 0:20:27and I've never seen a motherfucking one of those movies.
0:20:27 > 0:20:29So trust me, hmm?
0:20:31 > 0:20:32I got this.
0:20:34 > 0:20:36I've just bumped into Wayne Sleep.
0:20:36 > 0:20:41He's on the panel for Reality and Constructed Factual, whatever that is.
0:20:41 > 0:20:46I'll tell you what that is. That is a continuing drama without the need of a scriptwriter, apparently.
0:20:46 > 0:20:48It's like improv, with real people.
0:20:48 > 0:20:51What, you mean they give you an award for eavesdropping?
0:20:51 > 0:20:52I'm afraid so, yeah.
0:20:52 > 0:20:53GORDON LAUGHS
0:20:53 > 0:20:56Right, well, shall we all reconvene?
0:20:57 > 0:21:00I just want to remind everybody of the categories.
0:21:00 > 0:21:04This is Best Performance by an Actress in a Leading Role.
0:21:04 > 0:21:07Now, do we feel like we are perhaps in a position to eliminate a couple of
0:21:07 > 0:21:09the candidates, turn it into a two-horse race?
0:21:09 > 0:21:12Absolutely. Ditch the two younger ones, it's too soon for them.
0:21:12 > 0:21:14It'll only screw up their careers.
0:21:14 > 0:21:15That's the spirit, Paula.
0:21:15 > 0:21:18You were never one for sending the lift back down, were you?
0:21:18 > 0:21:20Fuck that, they can use the stairs, like I did.
0:21:20 > 0:21:24Anyone else agree that we should lose Kelly and Anna?
0:21:24 > 0:21:25Anna, yes. Kelly, no.
0:21:25 > 0:21:27I dunno, I like them all.
0:21:27 > 0:21:29It's so hard, isn't it?
0:21:29 > 0:21:31Well, can we all at least agree on keeping Shona?
0:21:31 > 0:21:32Everyone seemed to like her.
0:21:32 > 0:21:36Er, yes, just looking at some of the comments, she was "truthful",
0:21:36 > 0:21:39it was "a remarkable performance", someone said she stole their heart.
0:21:39 > 0:21:41I think we all know who that was.
0:21:41 > 0:21:44Jackie said she's always brilliant in every part she plays.
0:21:44 > 0:21:48Yep, again, anointed. She's brilliant in everything, she also wins awards for everything.
0:21:48 > 0:21:50She won for Best Actress last year, didn't she?
0:21:50 > 0:21:52She did, but that must not affect our decision.
0:21:52 > 0:21:54Wait a minute, she won last year?
0:21:54 > 0:21:56I didn't know that. Well, that changes everything.
0:21:56 > 0:21:59Yeah, and if I remember rightly, she was hardly in it.
0:21:59 > 0:22:03She won it because she's Shona Andrews and it is completely unacceptable
0:22:03 > 0:22:05to not give her an award if she's been in a programme that year.
0:22:05 > 0:22:09Oh come on, that's not fair, she wins because she's an exceptional talent.
0:22:09 > 0:22:12I'm not denying that, but equally my heart would sink a little bit if I
0:22:12 > 0:22:14was watching this on telly and she gets up again.
0:22:14 > 0:22:16- He's got a point.- I agree, it's too much.
0:22:16 > 0:22:17Oh, guys, this is rubbish.
0:22:17 > 0:22:22All I am saying is can we be the jury that doesn't just hand the award to
0:22:22 > 0:22:24Shona Andrews simply for existing?
0:22:24 > 0:22:26Well, let's take a vote.
0:22:26 > 0:22:29All those in favour of removing Shona from the list.
0:22:35 > 0:22:37Well, that's a majority.
0:22:37 > 0:22:39Shona is off the list.
0:22:39 > 0:22:42Though still a very great honour to be nominated.
0:22:45 > 0:22:48Right, if we could lose one more, that would be great.
0:22:48 > 0:22:52Um, let's recap what was said about Anna.
0:22:52 > 0:22:55Rupert wasn't impressed, thought she was another mumbler.
0:22:55 > 0:22:57Clive said she was fantastic, great authenticity.
0:22:57 > 0:22:59Gordon thought she was out of her depth.
0:22:59 > 0:23:01Clive then changed his mind and agreed with Gordon.
0:23:01 > 0:23:04- I'm allowed.- Yeah, she's gone, let's wrap this up.
0:23:04 > 0:23:07You can't hurry this, these are such important decisions.
0:23:07 > 0:23:10Yeah, cos I can't wait to find out who won Constructed Reality(!)
0:23:10 > 0:23:12Right, well, let's put it this way, then.
0:23:12 > 0:23:15Does anybody think Anna gave the best performance?
0:23:19 > 0:23:23In that case, she's another worthy nominee, but not our winner.
0:23:24 > 0:23:26So, it comes down to these two.
0:23:26 > 0:23:32Dame Dorothy, "a national treasure", "twinkly", stole Paula's heart,
0:23:32 > 0:23:34and Kelly also stole Paula's heart.
0:23:34 > 0:23:40- They all did.- "Very moving", "flat-chested" - not sure that's really relevant.
0:23:40 > 0:23:45A bit soapy, perhaps, but - and this is very important, I think - she did make Jackie and her mum cry.
0:23:45 > 0:23:48Well, that just about nails it, then.
0:23:48 > 0:23:51So, can we take a quick show of hands, just to get the temperature of the room?
0:23:51 > 0:23:53All those for Kelly.
0:23:53 > 0:23:55GORDON DRUMS AND CLICKS FINGERS
0:23:57 > 0:23:58And for Dame Dorothy?
0:24:01 > 0:24:03So, both ladies have three votes each.
0:24:03 > 0:24:05Oh, Jesus Christ, I just requested my Uber.
0:24:05 > 0:24:09Can we not call them ladies, please? It's really patronising.
0:24:09 > 0:24:11- What are they then, kangaroos? - They're actors.
0:24:11 > 0:24:13- Well, actresses. - I don't like that either.
0:24:13 > 0:24:15OK, you know what? I switch.
0:24:15 > 0:24:17- Sorry?- Who did I vote for?
0:24:17 > 0:24:19Just change it to the other one.
0:24:19 > 0:24:22All right, so now it's four to Kelly and two to Dorothy.
0:24:22 > 0:24:24You can't do that, Paula, that's unfair.
0:24:24 > 0:24:28- Watch me.- Well, hold on, if she's changing to Kelly, I'm changing to Dame Dotty.
0:24:28 > 0:24:30- Oh, for goodness' sake. - So, it's back to three-all.
0:24:30 > 0:24:32Yes, I switch to Dorothy as well.
0:24:32 > 0:24:35Now that's four to Dorothy and two to Kelly.
0:24:35 > 0:24:37For God's sake, Clive, will you stand on your own two feet?
0:24:37 > 0:24:39- But I'm agreeing with you. - Well, don't.
0:24:39 > 0:24:41I'm not going to do your script, OK?
0:24:41 > 0:24:43- What?- Blood Oranges, I read it last night.
0:24:43 > 0:24:46- It's just a rehash of Spooks, it's shit.- Well, which bit? I'll change it.
0:24:46 > 0:24:49- All of it.- Well, I switch to Kelly, then.
0:24:49 > 0:24:50You have to respect the process.
0:24:50 > 0:24:52And it's three-all again.
0:24:52 > 0:24:54Can we just do the final vote, please?
0:24:54 > 0:24:55Khalid is two minutes away.
0:24:55 > 0:24:57Why don't you just give it to Dotty?
0:24:57 > 0:24:58I thought you already had.
0:24:58 > 0:25:00Exactly, his vote shouldn't be counted.
0:25:00 > 0:25:02Oh, yes, so that's two to Dorothy and three to Kelly.
0:25:02 > 0:25:04What a load of bollocks.
0:25:04 > 0:25:08If you don't want the professional opinion, 50 years' experience,
0:25:08 > 0:25:13you may as well ask some witless couch potato who they want to win.
0:25:13 > 0:25:14Well, we do have Jackie with us.
0:25:14 > 0:25:18Jackie, is there anything you'd like to add to the debate?
0:25:20 > 0:25:21No, it's all right.
0:25:21 > 0:25:23Every opinion is valid.
0:25:23 > 0:25:24Even yours.
0:25:29 > 0:25:32I'm not clever like all of you.
0:25:33 > 0:25:37I didn't realise you had to think about all these other outside things,
0:25:37 > 0:25:41like how old they are, or how many other awards they've won...
0:25:42 > 0:25:44..or who's popular in the industry.
0:25:46 > 0:25:51It's not fair on the ladies - sorry, the actors -
0:25:51 > 0:25:53to have someone like me passing judgment.
0:25:54 > 0:25:57I think I'm just going to go and leave you all to it, if you don't mind.
0:25:59 > 0:26:03I've made a fool of myself. I'm so sorry.
0:26:12 > 0:26:15Well, that's what happens when you invite the public.
0:26:19 > 0:26:20MESSAGE TONE AND VIBRATION
0:26:22 > 0:26:27Right, erm, shall we dish out the electronic devices?
0:26:27 > 0:26:31Remember, these will lock in your final vote.
0:26:31 > 0:26:34As there are only five of you left, there's no chance of a tie.
0:26:40 > 0:26:43Well, I've got to go.
0:26:43 > 0:26:45It's been a pleasure.
0:26:45 > 0:26:47If you want a lousy night at the theatre,
0:26:47 > 0:26:50come to the Trafalgar Studios next month
0:26:50 > 0:26:53and help me drown my sorrows in the bar afterwards.
0:26:53 > 0:26:54Yes, I'd love to do that.
0:26:54 > 0:26:56We should swap numbers.
0:27:01 > 0:27:04Well, I've got a screening to get to, so, er...
0:27:05 > 0:27:07..keep up the good work, everyone.
0:27:07 > 0:27:10Can't wait to see what you all do next.
0:27:10 > 0:27:14Anyone fancy a swift debriefing session down at the Coach and Horses? Gordon?
0:27:14 > 0:27:16No, thanks.
0:27:16 > 0:27:18If Shona Andrews passes, let's try Kelly Marsden.
0:27:18 > 0:27:21I'll come. Er, I've not got much cash on me at the moment.
0:27:21 > 0:27:23Typical bloody writer, I'll treat you.
0:27:23 > 0:27:27There's actually a part in Blood Oranges you would be perfect for, if you wouldn't mind reading it.
0:27:27 > 0:27:30- Oh, yes?- It's a 30-year-old Japanese woman at the moment, but I don't mind changing it...
0:27:54 > 0:27:56Sorry, forgot my phone.
0:27:56 > 0:27:57Oh, Jackie.
0:27:59 > 0:28:01I hope that wasn't too bruising for you.
0:28:01 > 0:28:05These artistic types can be fairly temperamental, as I'm sure you're aware.
0:28:05 > 0:28:07So, do you know who won?
0:28:07 > 0:28:10Yes, and I think you'll be satisfied.
0:28:10 > 0:28:13Let's just say they voted with their hearts rather than their heads,
0:28:13 > 0:28:16and part of that is down to you, so well done.
0:28:16 > 0:28:18HE LAUGHS
0:28:18 > 0:28:19Cheerio.
0:28:24 > 0:28:25No, Giles.
0:28:44 > 0:28:46It's because I'm the best actress.