0:00:02 > 0:00:07This programme contains some strong language.
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0:00:10 > 0:00:12The BBC's announced the appointment
0:00:12 > 0:00:14of ex-Head of Olympic Deliveries, Ian Fletcher,
0:00:14 > 0:00:16as its new Head of Values.
0:00:22 > 0:00:24Time now for the shipping forecast.
0:00:26 > 0:00:27Superimpose.
0:00:35 > 0:00:38Yes, no, I know. Yes, no, I saw that.
0:00:38 > 0:00:40Yes. Yes. No, Tracey, I saw it.
0:00:40 > 0:00:44It's Thursday morning at New Broadcasting House in Central London.
0:00:44 > 0:00:48And it's not a good start to the day for BBC Head of Values Ian Fletcher.
0:00:48 > 0:00:51Well, how do you think I feel? I feel like I've been run over by a truck.
0:00:51 > 0:00:53What? No, in a bad way.
0:00:53 > 0:00:56He's already late for work, but he's about to discover
0:00:56 > 0:00:59he's not as late yet as he's eventually going to be.
0:00:59 > 0:01:02Oh, bloody hell. Morning. Right.
0:01:02 > 0:01:05The mood music from George Osborne's Treasury is still all around
0:01:05 > 0:01:06the theme of the deficit,
0:01:06 > 0:01:09and the need for further cuts in the years ahead.
0:01:09 > 0:01:12Meanwhile, up in Tommy Cooper, the daily Damage Limitation Meeting
0:01:12 > 0:01:14has already started without him.
0:01:14 > 0:01:16I have to say, for what it's worth, I thought she was rather good.
0:01:16 > 0:01:20No, she's bloody good. I thought we were OK, thought it was just a bump,
0:01:20 > 0:01:23- until that bloody skirt on Monday night.- Yes. - Then all hell broke loose.
0:01:23 > 0:01:25The first item on today's agenda involves a new presenter
0:01:25 > 0:01:28on the BBC's current affairs flagship Newsnight,
0:01:28 > 0:01:30who has been accused of wearing clothes
0:01:30 > 0:01:32that are inappropriately watchable.
0:01:32 > 0:01:34..professor of Economics at Warwick University...
0:01:34 > 0:01:37Can I just say, you're not going to want to hear this,
0:01:37 > 0:01:39but her legs have now got their own Twitter account.
0:01:39 > 0:01:41- Right.- Yeah.- Yikes. - Hashtag kneesnight.
0:01:41 > 0:01:44You have to say it is actually a pretty good name for it.
0:01:44 > 0:01:46- Oh, yes, no, brilliant. - It's bloody great.
0:01:46 > 0:01:49So just to clarify, Neil, the original complaint about this was...
0:01:49 > 0:01:51- It was internal, yeah. - Yes, and that was...
0:01:51 > 0:01:52- Another presenter, yeah.- Right.
0:01:52 > 0:01:54No, it's another classic own goal.
0:01:54 > 0:01:56Yes, and when you say another presenter...
0:01:56 > 0:01:58- I'm sworn to secrecy, I'm afraid. - Oh, yes, no, of course...
0:01:58 > 0:02:00- Sorry.- Yes, but just so we know, who is it?
0:02:00 > 0:02:02- BLEEP BLEEP. - Right. OK.
0:02:02 > 0:02:04- Yes.- Yeah.- OK. So that could be a bit...
0:02:04 > 0:02:07Oh, yeah, no, it's a live grenade with the pin out.
0:02:07 > 0:02:09- Hi.- Ah, the man of the moment. - Sorry I'm late.- No, come on in.
0:02:09 > 0:02:12Took a bit longer to get in through the front door than usual.
0:02:12 > 0:02:13Yes, no, brilliant.
0:02:13 > 0:02:16- Thanks, would you be able to put that somewhere?- Yeah, OK, cool.
0:02:16 > 0:02:18- Thanks, great.- So like... - No, just somewhere that isn't here.
0:02:18 > 0:02:20OK, cool, yeah, no worries, yeah, cool.
0:02:20 > 0:02:21With Ian's arrival,
0:02:21 > 0:02:24the meeting can address the main item on this morning's agenda.
0:02:24 > 0:02:25Ian.
0:02:25 > 0:02:27I mean, the salary's one thing, I can live with that...
0:02:27 > 0:02:30- Yes, I should hope so, Ian. - ..but the private stuff...
0:02:30 > 0:02:31No, that is a problem.
0:02:31 > 0:02:34- I mean, it's unforgivable. - No, it really is very irksome.
0:02:34 > 0:02:38Overnight, a media story about the size of Ian's BBC salary has developed.
0:02:38 > 0:02:41Several papers are now alleging that not only did he misuse
0:02:41 > 0:02:44public funds at the Olympic Deliverance Commission
0:02:44 > 0:02:49by asking his Personal Assistant to arrange a private holiday for him in Italy in 2012,
0:02:49 > 0:02:52but also that he deliberately took her with him in order to enjoy it.
0:02:52 > 0:02:56I mean, for what it's worth, I had a quick muffin with Tony this morning.
0:02:56 > 0:02:59- A muffin?- Yes, he's very chipper about the whole thing, isn't he?
0:02:59 > 0:03:01Yeah, just cutting the crap for a second...
0:03:01 > 0:03:03- Brilliant.- ..just so we don't end up with the usual fuck-up in News.
0:03:03 > 0:03:06- Right.- Yes, no, very good. - So the personal stuff...- Right, yes.
0:03:06 > 0:03:09So the PA, the whole Umbrian doodah, you know, that stuff...
0:03:09 > 0:03:12- Right.- I mean...- Love nest. - What?- Umbrian love nest.
0:03:12 > 0:03:14- Yeah, well...- Brilliant.- Right, OK. - I mean, it's a free country
0:03:14 > 0:03:17and I mean, I should be so lucky, who doesn't like Umbria,
0:03:17 > 0:03:20but just for the sake of clarity and for the avoidance of doubt,
0:03:20 > 0:03:23whatever the fuck that means, that's just the usual bollocks, is it?
0:03:23 > 0:03:26- Right, yes.- I mean, it's all made up, it's not true?
0:03:29 > 0:03:31I mean, for God's sake. I paid for it myself.
0:03:31 > 0:03:33I couldn't stop her arranging it.
0:03:33 > 0:03:35- Right.- Brilliant.- OK.
0:03:35 > 0:03:37Great.
0:03:37 > 0:03:39Righty-ho.
0:03:40 > 0:03:42- Hi, Will.- Oh, yeah, hi. Yeah, hi.
0:03:42 > 0:03:43- How are you?- Yeah, good, yeah.
0:03:43 > 0:03:46Sorry I'm a bit late in this morning. Are you waiting for something?
0:03:46 > 0:03:49What? No, yeah, I was just going to leave Ian Fletcher's bike here
0:03:49 > 0:03:52- next to your desk?- OK. - Cool.- Just put it next to Simon's.
0:03:52 > 0:03:54- Just so I know where it is. - Yes, that's fine.
0:03:54 > 0:03:56- Cool.- Oh, God, that is brilliant, Will, thank you.
0:03:56 > 0:03:58- Yeah, no worries. - Must have taken you for ever.
0:03:58 > 0:04:00No, it's cool, yeah, it's my own fault.
0:04:00 > 0:04:04Overnight, intern Will Humphries has very nearly succeeded
0:04:04 > 0:04:07in his task of putting 400 letters of invitation to a major BBC event
0:04:07 > 0:04:12into 400 different envelopes and then sealing them up one after the other.
0:04:12 > 0:04:14- What's happened here? - What? Yeah, I know!
0:04:14 > 0:04:16- So this is a letter to David Cameron.- Yeah.
0:04:16 > 0:04:19And this is an envelope addressed to Prince Charles, the Prince of Wales.
0:04:19 > 0:04:21Yeah, Prince Charles, yeah, I know.
0:04:21 > 0:04:22So. I mean...
0:04:22 > 0:04:25Yeah, I know, it's like I don't know how that happened?
0:04:25 > 0:04:27It's just one so I thought I'd leave it till you got here.
0:04:28 > 0:04:29- OK, well, presumably...- Yeah.
0:04:29 > 0:04:31Let's hope that the letter for Prince Charles
0:04:31 > 0:04:33is in the envelope for David Cameron.
0:04:33 > 0:04:35Yeah, cool, yeah, presumably, yeah, cool.
0:04:35 > 0:04:38- Right, so where is the letter for Cameron?- Yeah... Say again?
0:04:38 > 0:04:40- The envelope addressed to Cameron. - Right, yeah.
0:04:40 > 0:04:44- Where is it?- Yeah, cool, yeah, it's in there somewhere. I saw it.
0:04:47 > 0:04:50"From Bakewell Tarts to Melton Mowbray Pork Pies,
0:04:50 > 0:04:52"a culinary tour of the nation's taste buds.
0:04:52 > 0:04:54"Each week, Rick Stein and new face Sally Wingate
0:04:54 > 0:04:57"adopt a village each as they battle it out, live and against the clock,
0:04:57 > 0:04:59"for the title of Britain's Tastiest Village."
0:04:59 > 0:05:00It's genius, Lucy. Wonderful.
0:05:00 > 0:05:03- Rick Stein's wrong for this.- Oh, yeah, no, definitely. Lovely Rick.
0:05:03 > 0:05:05We're not doing old and bald.
0:05:05 > 0:05:07Meanwhile, Producer Lucy Freeman has been asked to rewrite
0:05:07 > 0:05:10the press release for the forthcoming new show
0:05:10 > 0:05:14Britain's Tastiest Village, following the sad loss of its tastiest ingredients,
0:05:14 > 0:05:17Alan Titchmarsh and either Clare Balding or Carol Vorderman.
0:05:17 > 0:05:19I mean, obviously this is your show, David...
0:05:19 > 0:05:21- I so want to see this show.- I just thought making it a live show
0:05:21 > 0:05:23- might somehow...- Yeah, no, genius.
0:05:23 > 0:05:25It's a big thing, obviously, but I suppose what I was...
0:05:25 > 0:05:27- No, sure. So where are we up to with names?- Right.
0:05:27 > 0:05:29If we're going to do this at all.
0:05:29 > 0:05:32Despite Lucy's concerns about the basic premise of the show itself,
0:05:32 > 0:05:35the question of who's going to present it is much more
0:05:35 > 0:05:38important than that. And Anna has got an idea.
0:05:38 > 0:05:40- Gary Lineker? - Yes.- Genius.
0:05:40 > 0:05:44Head of Output Anna Rampton has met TV colossus Garry Lineker
0:05:44 > 0:05:47at the Pride of Sporting Britain's Little Children Awards,
0:05:47 > 0:05:48and something has happened.
0:05:48 > 0:05:50The fact is Gary's sick of football.
0:05:50 > 0:05:53- He has been for years, you can see it in his face.- Lovely Gary.
0:05:53 > 0:05:55He's surrounded by deadbeats 24/7, he's ready for a change.
0:05:55 > 0:05:58It's like every week he's got to make those terrible jokes.
0:05:58 > 0:06:00This is one of those moments. We should make this thing happen.
0:06:00 > 0:06:02This is like, this is so cool.
0:06:02 > 0:06:04But Gary's all about Up, not about Sideways.
0:06:04 > 0:06:06- What?- Well, the fact is he's not going to want to do something
0:06:06 > 0:06:08just about food at this point in his career.
0:06:08 > 0:06:11- OK.- But this is Britain's Tastiest Village. The clue is in the title.
0:06:11 > 0:06:13So we talked about maybe Britain's Top Village.
0:06:13 > 0:06:14- Britain's Top Village? - Christ.
0:06:14 > 0:06:16The fact is this is Sunday night Event Television.
0:06:16 > 0:06:20- Yes, of course.- There's got to be more to this than a few pork pies and some tarts.
0:06:20 > 0:06:22I know, cos if you break down a whole village, then it's...
0:06:22 > 0:06:24- what have you actually got? - Yep.- I mean it's genius.
0:06:24 > 0:06:26What have you got?
0:06:26 > 0:06:28Well, I mean, you got like houses, and you got food,
0:06:28 > 0:06:31and you got like gardens, you've got like makeovers,
0:06:31 > 0:06:34and you've got characters, you know, like weird people and that,
0:06:34 > 0:06:36and you got pets, and you got football teams...
0:06:36 > 0:06:40- Yes.- And I don't know, maybe a choir or something, or vegetables.
0:06:40 > 0:06:42- Yes, OK.- Oh, my god. OK, can I just say right now, Anna,
0:06:42 > 0:06:44you're going to do the speech at the BAFTAs,
0:06:44 > 0:06:45cos I'm so going to be off my face.
0:07:02 > 0:07:05Cameron... Cameron... Nope.
0:07:05 > 0:07:07- OK, not in that one either.- Cool.
0:07:07 > 0:07:09Yeah, my brother does this thing...
0:07:09 > 0:07:12- Shall we just do this first? - Yeah, OK, cool.
0:07:12 > 0:07:15- Ah, here we go, David Cameron. - OK, cool, yeah, David Cameron.
0:07:15 > 0:07:18I'll just print off another address sticker and get a new envelope.
0:07:18 > 0:07:20Yeah, cool, it was in that one all the time.
0:07:20 > 0:07:21- Ah, right. OK.- What?
0:07:21 > 0:07:23- Joan Bakewell.- Yeah. What?
0:07:23 > 0:07:24This one's to Joan Bakewell.
0:07:24 > 0:07:26Yeah, I don't know who that is.
0:07:26 > 0:07:29So how many of these are wrong, Will?
0:07:30 > 0:07:32- Two.- Two?
0:07:32 > 0:07:34No, OK, crap. Three.
0:07:35 > 0:07:37Right. OK. Thanks, Will.
0:07:37 > 0:07:40It's like with me, sometimes, it's like I'm completely useless.
0:07:40 > 0:07:41- Yes.- Shall I...?
0:07:41 > 0:07:44- No, it's OK. - OK.- Thanks, Will. I'll sort it out.
0:07:44 > 0:07:45OK, yeah. Cool.
0:08:04 > 0:08:05Yes, no, I know.
0:08:05 > 0:08:08No, but Dan you shouldn't feel that, you mustn't. You know,
0:08:08 > 0:08:11it was just one meeting, that's all. I mean, they hadn't even read it.
0:08:11 > 0:08:13Meanwhile, in a break between meetings,
0:08:13 > 0:08:18producer Lucy Freeman has found time to catch up with other projects.
0:08:18 > 0:08:21No, listen. Nothing worthwhile is easy, you know?
0:08:22 > 0:08:25Yes, OK. Bye, Dan, bye. Bye.
0:08:25 > 0:08:29- Hi.- Hi.- You sure? - Yes, sure.
0:08:29 > 0:08:30I think I owe you one.
0:08:30 > 0:08:34It's also a convenient moment to look for a desk that isn't already too hot to work at.
0:08:34 > 0:08:38To save you asking, I haven't read that script yet.
0:08:38 > 0:08:39What, Home Truth? No, no.
0:08:39 > 0:08:42I will do, I'd like to, but I had a few other things to...
0:08:42 > 0:08:43Yes, no, of course.
0:08:43 > 0:08:45So was that the writer you were talking to?
0:08:45 > 0:08:47Yes. Dan, yes. He's up in Wetherby.
0:08:47 > 0:08:49- I was just trying to cheer him up. - Yes.
0:08:49 > 0:08:51So nothing worthwhile is easy.
0:08:51 > 0:08:53- Yes. - What does that actually mean?
0:08:53 > 0:08:55I'm not really sure, but I always think it sounds good, doesn't it?
0:08:55 > 0:08:57Yeah, sounds great.
0:09:18 > 0:09:19Yes, hi.
0:09:19 > 0:09:21Yes, I'd like to send some flowers, please.
0:09:21 > 0:09:24Please, yes, that's why I phoned.
0:09:25 > 0:09:28I mean, if you don't mind me asking, Ian, how much were you earning
0:09:28 > 0:09:30back at the Olympic Deliverance Commission?
0:09:30 > 0:09:32- The Olympic Deliverance Commission. - A-ha!
0:09:32 > 0:09:34- I just think that could be relevant here.- Brilliant.
0:09:34 > 0:09:37Meanwhile, Director of Strategic Governance Simon Harwood
0:09:37 > 0:09:41has arranged for Ian to meet BBC Head of Humane Resources Elaine Pearson
0:09:41 > 0:09:43to have a bit of a natter about the issue of his salary.
0:09:43 > 0:09:46Well, leaving aside the rights and wrongs of all the personal stuff
0:09:46 > 0:09:48- for the moment...- Right. Well, no, wait a minute...
0:09:48 > 0:09:50Yes, cos I'm not being funny or anything, Ian,
0:09:50 > 0:09:52but who knows what they're going to turn up next?
0:09:52 > 0:09:56I'm sorry, but this... you're talking as if... I haven't done anything wrong here.
0:09:56 > 0:09:59- No.- No, no, no.- I was divorced, I was out of a job after seven years
0:09:59 > 0:10:02on the bloody Olympic Games, I went to Italy for one week
0:10:02 > 0:10:06with someone who, she... OK, it was a mistake, OK?
0:10:06 > 0:10:10- Ah, yes, good.- It was a mistake, I think I probably knew it at the time.
0:10:10 > 0:10:11We had separate rooms, it rained,
0:10:11 > 0:10:14there was some sort of dreadful tomato festival for the whole bloody week,
0:10:14 > 0:10:16she spent pretty much the last two days in tears,
0:10:16 > 0:10:19I felt physically sick with guilt, and then we came back.
0:10:19 > 0:10:21- OK.- I mean, what's wrong with that?
0:10:21 > 0:10:22- Oh, yes.- Nothing.
0:10:22 > 0:10:25No, Simon and I were talking earlier and I know you've talked to Tony...
0:10:25 > 0:10:27- Oh, yes, who by the way is pretty perky about this.- Right. Is he?
0:10:27 > 0:10:30The fact is you do earn almost twice as much as the Prime Minister.
0:10:30 > 0:10:32- You are BBC Head of Values.- Hang on.
0:10:32 > 0:10:35There's no getting around it, that's a pretty toxic combination.
0:10:35 > 0:10:37I'm sorry. People keep banging on about the Prime Minister.
0:10:37 > 0:10:41I can't do anything about how much the Prime Minister earns, can I? I mean, that's really not my fault.
0:10:41 > 0:10:43- No.- No. - Oh, no, no, absolutely not.
0:10:43 > 0:10:46You know, and by the same token, I can't do anything about
0:10:46 > 0:10:49how much I earn, can I? That's really not my fault, either.
0:10:51 > 0:10:53So really, I mean, I just,
0:10:53 > 0:10:56- I don't think that's a helpful line of argument.- Brilliant.
0:10:56 > 0:10:58What?
0:10:58 > 0:10:59Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant.
0:11:08 > 0:11:10- Fiona Bruce.- No.- No, OK.
0:11:10 > 0:11:12Great with disasters and uprisings,
0:11:12 > 0:11:14- but the fact is Fiona doesn't do fun.- Yeah, lovely Fiona.
0:11:14 > 0:11:18Elsewhere, as Britain's Top Village inevitably takes shape,
0:11:18 > 0:11:21the issue for Anna Rampton is who could be shiny enough
0:11:21 > 0:11:23to present alongside Gary Lineker,
0:11:23 > 0:11:26leaving newcomer Sally Wingate's face free to play a less obvious role.
0:11:26 > 0:11:27- Sorry, Anna.- That's OK, Jack.
0:11:27 > 0:11:29- Bit of a queue downstairs.- Sure.
0:11:29 > 0:11:31Went out to Starbucks in the end. Hope that's going to be OK.
0:11:31 > 0:11:34- No, I don't want that now.- OK. - You can leave the water.- Sure.
0:11:34 > 0:11:37- Also this is broken.- OK.- Can you? - Sure, yep. I'll have a look.- OK.
0:11:37 > 0:11:38Julia Bradbury.
0:11:38 > 0:11:39Right. OK.
0:11:39 > 0:11:42- Lovely Julia.- No.- No, OK. - There you go, it's good now.
0:11:42 > 0:11:44Good. The fact is we need big hitters here.
0:11:44 > 0:11:47I know, the thing about Julia is, like, she really needs to be walking?
0:11:47 > 0:11:50As soon as she stands still, it's not there somehow, it's gone.
0:11:50 > 0:11:52- Oh, Jack had an idea.- OK. - Jack.- Yeah.
0:11:52 > 0:11:55- Britain's Top Village. - Yeah, right, OK. Holly Willoughby.
0:11:55 > 0:11:56Yes.
0:11:56 > 0:11:58- Fuck.- Holly Willoughby... - It's genius.
0:11:58 > 0:12:00I mean, do you think that would actually work?
0:12:00 > 0:12:02What? Holly Willoughby and Gary Lineker? Together?
0:12:02 > 0:12:04- I just mean... - I'm like, is that even legal?
0:12:04 > 0:12:06- OK, good. - I feel dirty even saying it.
0:12:08 > 0:12:10I mean, I can't remember the exact...
0:12:10 > 0:12:11figure, not in terms of actual...
0:12:11 > 0:12:14No, sure, ballpark's fine. To the nearest few thousand.
0:12:14 > 0:12:16Right. Well, the Olympics is a long time ago
0:12:16 > 0:12:20and obviously I've spent all of it now, but I suppose it must have been,
0:12:20 > 0:12:23well, it must have been... I mean, do I have to?
0:12:23 > 0:12:27- I suppose somewhere in the region of, I mean, I don't know, - BLEEP- thousand pounds.
0:12:27 > 0:12:29- BLEEP- thousand.
0:12:29 > 0:12:31I mean, very roughly, yes, I mean, I'm guessing.
0:12:31 > 0:12:34- Very good.- OK, so you got a decent uplift in coming to the BBC.
0:12:34 > 0:12:37- Yes.- Yes.- I mean, I'm not feeling particularly uplifted at the moment.
0:12:37 > 0:12:40Meanwhile, back in Frankie Howerd, Elaine Pearson is taking Ian
0:12:40 > 0:12:43through some of the advantages of cutting his current salary,
0:12:43 > 0:12:46which we are unable to reveal here for ethical reasons, to a level
0:12:46 > 0:12:49more comparable with someone who earns a lot less than that.
0:12:49 > 0:12:51I mean, I have to say I'm not entirely comfortable
0:12:51 > 0:12:53- with this whole idea. - Well, although...
0:12:53 > 0:12:56If ever there was an opportunity for the BBC to stand tall
0:12:56 > 0:12:59and make a big, bold statement about how much it values
0:12:59 > 0:13:02the idea of valuing values, then surely this is it.
0:13:02 > 0:13:04Oh, yes, no, very strong.
0:13:04 > 0:13:06I'm sorry, I may be stupid, but I just don't see how
0:13:06 > 0:13:09the Head of Values cutting his own salary in half does that.
0:13:09 > 0:13:11- Oh, well.- In half?- Blimey.
0:13:11 > 0:13:13- Well, no, that's... - Steady on, everybody.
0:13:13 > 0:13:16It's not going to be easy to arrive at an appropriate figure,
0:13:16 > 0:13:19but slowly and surely they're working their way down towards one.
0:13:19 > 0:13:22What I'm saying is if we were able to say, amongst the first things
0:13:22 > 0:13:24the incoming Head of Values did at the BBC was to look at
0:13:24 > 0:13:28- his own salary and cut it to, I don't know, say- BLEEP - thousand pounds less
0:13:28 > 0:13:31than he was earning in his previous job - we can work on the detail obviously -
0:13:31 > 0:13:34wouldn't that be one hell of a signal to put out there?
0:13:34 > 0:13:36- Right.- That's brilliant.
0:13:36 > 0:13:39I'm not being funny or anything, Ian, but I gotta say that is genius.
0:13:39 > 0:13:42- Well...- There's your big bold statement right there.
0:13:42 > 0:13:43- BLEEP- thousand.
0:13:43 > 0:13:45Like I say, we can work on the detail.
0:13:45 > 0:13:47For what it's worth, and I mean, listen, I don't know how
0:13:47 > 0:13:50this stuff works, but BLEEP thousand seems pretty good to me.
0:13:50 > 0:13:53- Well, I mean...- Yes, cos that's- BLEEP - thousand less than you used to earn before,
0:13:53 > 0:13:56- but it's- BLEEP- thousand less than you're actually earning now.
0:13:56 > 0:14:00- Yes.- Plus it's- BLEEP- pounds less than the Prime Minister.
0:14:00 > 0:14:01- Well, exactly, yes.- Right. OK.
0:14:01 > 0:14:03- It's perfect.- It's joyous.
0:14:03 > 0:14:06No, well, I mean, as an option that's very interesting, thank you, Elaine.
0:14:06 > 0:14:08Cos I suppose what you want to be thinking here, Ian, is,
0:14:08 > 0:14:10what are my other options?
0:14:10 > 0:14:11Well, exactly, yes. Absolutely.
0:14:11 > 0:14:13And I don't want to be negative or anything,
0:14:13 > 0:14:15but from where I'm standing, I'm not seeing any.
0:14:15 > 0:14:19Chaps, I have to say that I think we have done something really rather momentous here.
0:14:19 > 0:14:21- Yes.- Yes, well, no, I'll certainly...
0:14:21 > 0:14:22Elaine Pearson - Superwoman.
0:14:22 > 0:14:25- No, really... - Yes, no, thank you very much.
0:14:53 > 0:14:54Will.
0:14:54 > 0:14:56Yeah, hey, yeah. No, nothing.
0:14:56 > 0:14:57- Still here. - What? Yeah.
0:14:57 > 0:15:00- Good, isn't it?- Yeah, it's like, I was just, yeah, I don't know.
0:15:00 > 0:15:02I was going to ask where you put it this morning,
0:15:02 > 0:15:04but it looks like it's been around a bit.
0:15:04 > 0:15:06Yeah, no, I've been round here, I haven't been on the road.
0:15:06 > 0:15:09Honestly, it's ridiculous. Head of bloody Values, nowhere to put my bike.
0:15:09 > 0:15:11Yeah, crap, yeah. Crap.
0:15:14 > 0:15:15Will.
0:15:15 > 0:15:16- Yeah.- What are you doing now?
0:15:16 > 0:15:18No, nothing, I've been here all the time.
0:15:18 > 0:15:20- You all right? - What? Yeah, cool, yeah, cool.
0:15:20 > 0:15:22Are you doing anything for the next half hour or so?
0:15:22 > 0:15:24- What, now?- Yes.- No.
0:15:24 > 0:15:25Right, OK. Good.
0:15:50 > 0:15:52It's Friday morning.
0:15:52 > 0:15:54A new day, and for Ian a day that already feels
0:15:54 > 0:15:57very much like Thursday morning.
0:15:57 > 0:15:58No, look, what I'd say is...
0:15:58 > 0:16:01This is a chance to make a clear and confident public statement
0:16:01 > 0:16:04about the BBC's core values and about what makes it different from
0:16:04 > 0:16:07just about every other broadcasting organisation in the world.
0:16:07 > 0:16:09And these chances don't come along very often.
0:16:09 > 0:16:11How are you going to feel about earning even less than the Prime Minister?
0:16:11 > 0:16:14No, look, this isn't about me or the Prime Minister.
0:16:14 > 0:16:16I think one of the achievements the BBC of today can be proudest of
0:16:16 > 0:16:19is that it pays its key talent less than anyone else,
0:16:19 > 0:16:22and I'm certainly proud to have been given the chance
0:16:22 > 0:16:24to be part of that, so, no, that's all good.
0:16:24 > 0:16:26The thing about this is, for once it isn't actually
0:16:26 > 0:16:28about the standard of journalism on the show.
0:16:28 > 0:16:30- No, I know that.- Which, as Tony said, is really kinda fabulous.
0:16:30 > 0:16:31Yeah, bollocks.
0:16:31 > 0:16:35Meanwhile, inside, Simon Harwood is in the gallery of the Newsnight studio.
0:16:35 > 0:16:39He's come for a bit of a catch-up about what's now being referred to as the Kneesnight Issue
0:16:39 > 0:16:42with Current Head of News and Current Affairs Neil Reid
0:16:42 > 0:16:44and Acting Editor of Kneesnight Mark Stephenson.
0:16:44 > 0:16:47I mean, you guys'll know how you want to handle this thing but Mark,
0:16:47 > 0:16:50- would it be an idea to just have a little chat with her?- With Indira?
0:16:50 > 0:16:52- Yes, you know... - What, talk about her skirt?
0:16:52 > 0:16:55Well, no, just, you know, just to have a bit of a chinwag over
0:16:55 > 0:16:57a coffee and take the heat out of the whole thing.
0:16:57 > 0:16:59- Yeah, it's an idea, but it's a terrible idea.- Fine.
0:16:59 > 0:17:00There's so many ways of that going wrong.
0:17:00 > 0:17:02- It's just a question of which one to choose.- Yes.
0:17:02 > 0:17:04Yes, no, brilliant, brilliant.
0:17:04 > 0:17:07Overnight, the Leader of the House of Commons Harriet Harman,
0:17:07 > 0:17:11herself a woman, has tweeted about the increasing sexualisation of television news.
0:17:11 > 0:17:13- It doesn't help we're all fucking men.- No.
0:17:13 > 0:17:15I mean, look at us, for God's sake.
0:17:15 > 0:17:18Yes, and in an ideal world, what outcome are we looking for here?
0:17:18 > 0:17:19Well, in an ideal world, I suppose,
0:17:19 > 0:17:22they'd all still be sitting behind desks like they used to.
0:17:22 > 0:17:24- None of this would ever have happened.- Brilliant.
0:17:24 > 0:17:27As it stands we've got them prancing around the set like heifers at a county show.
0:17:27 > 0:17:30Yes, so whose idea was it to have them standing up so much?
0:17:30 > 0:17:31- Don't know.- I don't know.
0:17:31 > 0:17:34Nobody likes it. Paxman looks like he's waiting for a fucking bus.
0:17:34 > 0:17:36Brilliant. I know you'll know what you're thinking on this
0:17:36 > 0:17:38but for what it's worth, Tony absolutely loves desks.
0:17:38 > 0:17:40I was saying to Mark, why don't we get Bruce Forsyth
0:17:40 > 0:17:43to present Newsnight and have done with it, then everybody's happy.
0:17:43 > 0:17:45- Yeah.- Yes, no, brilliant, Neil, brilliant.
0:17:45 > 0:17:48No, of course, I mean, that goes without saying,
0:17:48 > 0:17:50but the fact is Gary Lineker was voted in the top 50 men
0:17:50 > 0:17:52you'd most like to surprise you in the shower.
0:17:52 > 0:17:55Meanwhile, producer Lucy Freeman is already on the phone.
0:17:55 > 0:17:57She's managed to talk to Holly Willoughby's agents,
0:17:57 > 0:17:59despite how difficult that is to do.
0:17:59 > 0:18:01Initially, it would obviously be great
0:18:01 > 0:18:03if we could maybe meet Holly, maybe lunch or something, tell her
0:18:03 > 0:18:06a bit about... No, sure, I mean it could just be a salad or something.
0:18:06 > 0:18:08Absolutely, of course.
0:18:10 > 0:18:12OK, well, look, that's great, Tamsin.
0:18:12 > 0:18:14Look forward to hearing from you.
0:18:14 > 0:18:16OK, thanks, lovely, bye. Bye.
0:18:18 > 0:18:19- Hi.- Hi.- Yeah, hi.
0:18:19 > 0:18:22- How are you? OK, no, forget that. - Yes.
0:18:23 > 0:18:25No, I'm OK today, thanks.
0:18:25 > 0:18:27Oh, OK.
0:18:28 > 0:18:31- Have you got a moment?- Yes. Sure.
0:18:31 > 0:18:33- Oh, now?- Sure.
0:18:33 > 0:18:35- Right, OK. Yeah.- Yes.
0:18:45 > 0:18:48- Wow.- Yes.
0:18:48 > 0:18:49- Yeah, we built it.- Come on in.
0:18:49 > 0:18:52- Yeah, this is where the bike goes. - Right.- Here.
0:18:52 > 0:18:54- Yes.- Yes. - Pretty cool.- Thanks, Will.
0:18:54 > 0:18:57- I thought offices weren't allowed. - No, they're not, no.
0:18:57 > 0:18:59- No.- No, but I think what I've realised is that ultimately,
0:18:59 > 0:19:01in the big scheme of things, you know, sod it.
0:19:01 > 0:19:05- Yes, right.- Yeah, cos it's like in the end life's too short and then you die?
0:19:05 > 0:19:07- Yes.- Yes, thanks, Will.
0:19:07 > 0:19:08OK, cool, yeah, no worries, yeah, cool.
0:19:08 > 0:19:11- Have a seat. - Thanks. Great.
0:19:11 > 0:19:14So I didn't really get much sleep last night.
0:19:14 > 0:19:15- No, right.- So I read Home Truth.
0:19:15 > 0:19:16Oh, OK.
0:19:16 > 0:19:19- Twice.- Right.- Yes.
0:19:25 > 0:19:28As if his morning hasn't been interesting enough already,
0:19:28 > 0:19:33suddenly, out of nowhere, Ian has a got a text from someone waiting in reception.
0:19:41 > 0:19:42Sally.
0:19:42 > 0:19:43Oh, yes, hi, yes.
0:19:43 > 0:19:46- What are you..? How are you? - Oh, yeah, fine.
0:19:46 > 0:19:49- I mean, I just... - Yes, no, not a problem.
0:19:49 > 0:19:51- Shall we..? - Just came, thank you for these.
0:19:51 > 0:19:55- Oh, no, it's just, I couldn't... - I can't, I don't actually want them.
0:19:55 > 0:19:56Right.
0:19:56 > 0:19:59Yes, and please don't... I'd quite like it
0:19:59 > 0:20:01if you didn't actually ring me, or contact me again.
0:20:01 > 0:20:03- Right.- Yes, and...
0:20:05 > 0:20:09- Sally...- Yes, thank you, that's...thank you.- Sally...
0:20:21 > 0:20:22Yeah, hey.
0:20:22 > 0:20:25- Yes, hi, Will.- Yeah, I just got a coffee. Cool flowers.
0:20:25 > 0:20:26- Yes.- Yeah, nice and big.
0:20:26 > 0:20:28- Yes, do you want them? - Yeah, say again?
0:20:28 > 0:20:31- There you go.- Uh... - It's your lucky day.
0:20:31 > 0:20:33Yeah, cool, yeah, no worries, yeah, cool.
0:20:42 > 0:20:44So what Barney's going to do here, what's going to happen,
0:20:44 > 0:20:47and he's going to talk us through some really cool ideas,
0:20:47 > 0:20:50- and then we're just going to talk about stuff. OK?- Brilliant.
0:20:50 > 0:20:53Meanwhile, BBC Brand Consultant Siobhan Sharpe
0:20:53 > 0:20:56has brought Senior Perfect Curve go-to-guy Barney Lumsden
0:20:56 > 0:21:00over to New Broadcasting House to present the initial results
0:21:00 > 0:21:03of Perfect Curve's mission to refresh the famous BBC logo
0:21:03 > 0:21:05and make it feel more like an app.
0:21:05 > 0:21:08I know you'll know how you want to do this better than I do.
0:21:08 > 0:21:10- Sure, yeah.- Just before you start, maybe could you just give us
0:21:10 > 0:21:13- a bit of background about how the... - No, sure, I mean, so how we do this
0:21:13 > 0:21:15- is we do background afterwards. - Oh, right, OK.
0:21:15 > 0:21:18Yeah, Barney's a kind of foreground first kind of guy.
0:21:18 > 0:21:21- Brilliant. - OK, so, what have we got here?
0:21:21 > 0:21:24We got three letters. Not even three, we've got...
0:21:24 > 0:21:26- Two.- Two letters, cos the first two
0:21:26 > 0:21:29are the same letter, which is like a B, so we got two letters,
0:21:29 > 0:21:32- and they're in a row, which is like one after the other.- Sure.
0:21:32 > 0:21:33And we're like, "Thanks, guys,"
0:21:33 > 0:21:36it's not like they've given us a lot to work with here...
0:21:36 > 0:21:38After the brave decision to lose the letters "B," "B" and "C"
0:21:38 > 0:21:41from the famous BBC logo, Barney has got some examples
0:21:41 > 0:21:44of what the new BBC icon might look like.
0:21:44 > 0:21:47It's kinda universal. It could be, it could be whatever you like.
0:21:47 > 0:21:49- It could be B, B, C.- BBC.
0:21:49 > 0:21:50- Yeah.- BBC.
0:21:50 > 0:21:53- Yeah, but without the... - Nn, nn, nn. Nn, nn, nn.
0:21:53 > 0:21:55- Yeah, but...- Nn, nn, nn.
0:21:55 > 0:21:57And it's getting bigger, it's getting stronger,
0:21:57 > 0:21:59- it's like it's coming out of... - Sure. That's comin' at ya.
0:21:59 > 0:22:02And we're like for the BBC, that's pretty much exactly...
0:22:02 > 0:22:04- OK, so we've got that now. - OK.- Now do the next one.
0:22:04 > 0:22:05OK, cool.
0:22:07 > 0:22:09God.
0:22:09 > 0:22:11Don't ask me. They were just here.
0:22:22 > 0:22:23What?
0:22:23 > 0:22:25They must have cost a fortune.
0:22:25 > 0:22:27So what, this isn't normal for you?
0:22:29 > 0:22:30Jesus, this is...
0:22:30 > 0:22:33I know, they've really gone the whole nine yards.
0:22:35 > 0:22:36What? "Sally. I'm so sorry.
0:22:36 > 0:22:39"If there's anybody that doesn't deserve it, it's you.
0:22:39 > 0:22:41- "I hope you're OK."- Sally?
0:22:41 > 0:22:43God, this... Where's Will? This is really weird.
0:22:43 > 0:22:45- Yeah, and I mean, like, who's Ian? - What?- No, no...
0:22:45 > 0:22:48- Have you read this? - No, I just mean...who's Ian?
0:22:49 > 0:22:52- And you've got three main areas here...- Threeeee.
0:22:52 > 0:22:55You've got British, yeah, British, Broadcasting and Company.
0:22:55 > 0:22:57Meanwhile, back in the logo presentation,
0:22:57 > 0:23:00Perfect Curve go-to-guy Barney Lumsden is getting
0:23:00 > 0:23:03ever closer to the cutting edge in his quest
0:23:03 > 0:23:05to rebrand the BBC as an app.
0:23:05 > 0:23:07No, you've gone backwards again.
0:23:07 > 0:23:09- Hi, apologies. - Ah, brilliant, Mr BBC.
0:23:09 > 0:23:11- Yes, just been a bit...- Yes.
0:23:11 > 0:23:13- Sort of one of those days. - No, no, brilliant.
0:23:13 > 0:23:15- How's it going?- No, brilliant.- Yes.
0:23:15 > 0:23:17After being downstairs for a while,
0:23:17 > 0:23:21Ian has finally managed to find his way back to the sixth floor.
0:23:21 > 0:23:24Cos what we realised with the number three is that
0:23:24 > 0:23:27- it's kind of like a universal number.- Threeeee.
0:23:27 > 0:23:29- Yeah... - Nn-nn-nn, nn-nn-nn.
0:23:29 > 0:23:31And we were like, "Is there like a universal thing
0:23:31 > 0:23:34"that gives you the number three?" And that's when...
0:23:34 > 0:23:36- Triangle.- Yeah, and that's when we came up with triangle.
0:23:36 > 0:23:39- Right.- But when we tried it, what we found was, a triangle on its own,
0:23:39 > 0:23:42- it wasn't very, it didn't really... - It was un-appy.
0:23:42 > 0:23:45- Yeah, un-appy, yeah. - I'm sorry, Siobhan, I've been
0:23:45 > 0:23:48just about hanging on up to now, but I'm afraid that's done it.
0:23:48 > 0:23:53Um, OK, so it wasn't appy, OK? It was un-appy.
0:23:53 > 0:23:55- Oh, right. OK. - Un-appy, yeah.
0:23:55 > 0:23:58- Thank you. - We love this, we so love it.
0:23:58 > 0:24:01And then we thought, "What if you had two triangles, one pointing up
0:24:01 > 0:24:05"and one pointing down, like they've crashed into each other."
0:24:07 > 0:24:09- Right.- OK.- Blimey.
0:24:09 > 0:24:11- And suddenly we were like...- Yay!
0:24:11 > 0:24:14"..This is like an explosion in a triangle factory!"
0:24:14 > 0:24:16- You got threes everywhere you look. - Nn-nn-nn.
0:24:16 > 0:24:19You've got energy, this really cool dynamic, you've got a...
0:24:19 > 0:24:22- Well, you've got a star. - You've got a star, yeah, cool.
0:24:22 > 0:24:24You've got the Star of David.
0:24:24 > 0:24:26- Excuse me? - You've got the Star of David.
0:24:27 > 0:24:30- Right, so...- Oh, yes, very good. - David who?
0:24:30 > 0:24:33The universal symbol for the Jewish faith and people.
0:24:33 > 0:24:35- You're joking me. - No, he's not, Siobhan.
0:24:35 > 0:24:38- Yeah, sure...- Hey. - Yeah, hey.
0:24:38 > 0:24:40OK, look, thanks for that, Siobhan, that's great.
0:24:40 > 0:24:42Go, BBC. Go, triangle. Go, David.
0:24:44 > 0:24:45- Yes. SIMON:- Brilliant.- TRACEY:- Yes.
0:24:47 > 0:24:50- Hi.- Yes, hi.- Oh, Anna, actually, I wanted to just
0:24:50 > 0:24:52- run something by you. - Right.- I don't know
0:24:52 > 0:24:53- if you've got a second. - Now?- Well, yes,
0:24:53 > 0:24:55- it's just... - No, not really.- No, right.
0:24:55 > 0:24:58If you want to e-mail Jack, he can put something in the diary.
0:24:58 > 0:25:00- OK, fine.- OK, good. It's not important?
0:25:00 > 0:25:03What? No, I mean, it's just, no... I mean, probably not.
0:25:05 > 0:25:07What were you doing with it?
0:25:07 > 0:25:09I was working at a desk and I got talking to the person next to me.
0:25:09 > 0:25:11- This was just someone who...- Yes, OK.
0:25:11 > 0:25:13I suppose that's the thing with open-plan, isn't it?
0:25:13 > 0:25:16- What were you doing with the script? - Yeah, she was telling me about this
0:25:16 > 0:25:20thing she was working on, and I happened to say I'd never actually read a script.
0:25:20 > 0:25:22- Right.- Anyway...- Could you hold that for me?
0:25:22 > 0:25:24- I've finished with it. - Uh, yes... OK, thank you.
0:25:24 > 0:25:27- So anyway, I ended up reading it last night.- Right.
0:25:27 > 0:25:28- Both episodes. Twice.- Right. - I mean,
0:25:28 > 0:25:30cos I know you guys didn't really go for it, so...
0:25:30 > 0:25:33- Neither Matt nor I were convinced. - No...- We see a lot of scripts.
0:25:33 > 0:25:36Yes, of course, no, the only reason I mention it is I hope
0:25:36 > 0:25:37I haven't committed a faux pas, that's all.
0:25:37 > 0:25:41- A faux pas?- I was talking to Tony this morning, and I...
0:25:41 > 0:25:44- Yes.- I found myself talking about Home Truth in passing.
0:25:44 > 0:25:46I probably shouldn't have done, but we'd got on to the issue
0:25:46 > 0:25:48- of what the BBC is actually... - Yeah, sure.
0:25:48 > 0:25:51- Anyway, he asked me to leave it with him.- The it.- What?- The script.
0:25:51 > 0:25:53It's interesting, you realise he probably never
0:25:53 > 0:25:56- gets the chance to actually read a script either.- Yes.- You forget.
0:25:56 > 0:25:58Cos like you say, you guys are reading scripts
0:25:58 > 0:25:59- all the time.- Yes.- Yes.- Yes.
0:26:06 > 0:26:08- Knock-knock. - Ah, who's there?
0:26:08 > 0:26:09- Simon.- Simon who?
0:26:09 > 0:26:11- Yes, exactly, who the hell cares? - Yes, come on in.
0:26:11 > 0:26:14- Well, this is all very lovely. - Isn't it? It's not an office.
0:26:14 > 0:26:16- Of course not.- It's a creative clearing.- Brilliant.
0:26:16 > 0:26:19- And somewhere to put your bike.- Brilliant, brilliant.
0:26:19 > 0:26:20- Well, thanks for dropping by.- No, no,
0:26:20 > 0:26:23- always time for the great...- Good. - ..the keeper of the...
0:26:23 > 0:26:24Yes, great, have a seat.
0:26:24 > 0:26:28Meanwhile, Ian has asked Director of Strategic Governance Simon Harwood
0:26:28 > 0:26:30to step into his creative clearing and sit down.
0:26:30 > 0:26:32So, yes, just to keep you in the loop really...
0:26:32 > 0:26:35Yes, no, brilliant. Sorry, Ian, before you go on,
0:26:35 > 0:26:36can I just say, for what it's worth,
0:26:36 > 0:26:39- absolutely brilliant out there with the press...- Oh, well.
0:26:39 > 0:26:41No, really beyond brilliant. Truly epic stuff.
0:26:41 > 0:26:44- I mean, thank you.- It felt like a rather significant moment for all of us.
0:26:44 > 0:26:47- Well, it was significant for me, obviously.- Actually made me proud
0:26:47 > 0:26:50to be part of the BBC, if that doesn't sound too wanky a thing to say.
0:26:50 > 0:26:53- So, yes, so, with the whole logo refresh thing...- Oh, yes, right.
0:26:53 > 0:26:56I mean, obviously it's great to get Perfect Curve's take on this...
0:26:56 > 0:26:59- Yeah.- And thank you for making all that happen, by the way.
0:26:59 > 0:27:02But I have to say, from a values point of view, if we're talking about
0:27:02 > 0:27:05being confident about who we are, if that's actually the brief here...
0:27:05 > 0:27:07- Brilliant.- Then I think there's something strong
0:27:07 > 0:27:09in the idea of staying with a trademark that's been
0:27:09 > 0:27:11- part of the BBC from the very beginning...- Brilliant.
0:27:11 > 0:27:15- ..gives it its distinctive identity, in a crowded... - Very good, very strong.
0:27:15 > 0:27:18Because in the end, it's the programmes anyway, isn't it?
0:27:18 > 0:27:20It's the content that gives value to the brand,
0:27:20 > 0:27:22not the brand that gives value to the content.
0:27:22 > 0:27:25- Lord ha' Mercy.- Well, no... - Honestly, I feel I want to stand up
0:27:25 > 0:27:28- and clap.- Well, no, please don't. - No, brilliant, listen,
0:27:28 > 0:27:29I think what I might do now, if that's OK
0:27:29 > 0:27:32- with you, Ian, I'll just run this past Tony...- Yes, of course, yes.
0:27:32 > 0:27:35And for what it's worth, I can tell you now he'll practically...
0:27:35 > 0:27:38- I mean, I have mentioned this to Tony, obviously.- Oh, right!
0:27:38 > 0:27:40I think he pretty much got it straightaway.
0:27:40 > 0:27:43Brilliant, brilliant. What, you've e-mailed him..?
0:27:43 > 0:27:45- What? No. I mean, yes, obviously... - Brilliant.
0:27:45 > 0:27:47But no, we just had a quick coffee earlier,
0:27:47 > 0:27:49he's so busy, isn't he? It's ridiculous.
0:27:49 > 0:27:52I mean, no, as I say, I think he could see it immediately -
0:27:52 > 0:27:55maybe it touched a nerve - but no, if you want to mention it to him
0:27:55 > 0:27:57as well, or again, that'd be really great.
0:27:57 > 0:28:00- Mm. Goodo. - Great, so that's all good.
0:28:00 > 0:28:02Brilliant, brilliant. Brilliant.
0:28:13 > 0:28:15I don't really want them either, Will.
0:28:15 > 0:28:17OK, cool, so, like, what shall I do with them?
0:28:17 > 0:28:19You haven't been carrying them round all day?
0:28:19 > 0:28:22What? Yeah, no, I mean, I don't know.
0:28:22 > 0:28:24- Hi, Lucy.- Hi.- Yeah, hey.
0:28:24 > 0:28:26- You about to go? - Almost finished, yes. Why?
0:28:26 > 0:28:29- I just got an e-mail from Anna. - Oh, right. What about?
0:28:29 > 0:28:31- They've commissioned two more scripts for some reason.- Ah.
0:28:31 > 0:28:33God knows why. I just phoned Dan to tell him.
0:28:33 > 0:28:35- Well, that's brilliant. - Yeah, brilliant.
0:28:35 > 0:28:38He was making himself a cup of tea, he refused to believe it.
0:28:38 > 0:28:40In the end, I had to forward him the e-mail to prove it.
0:28:40 > 0:28:42- So, some good news then. - It's fantastic.
0:28:42 > 0:28:44- Yeah, do you want these? - What?
0:28:44 > 0:28:46- Well, Will...- Yeah, you can have them, it's cool.
0:28:46 > 0:28:48- What?- We don't know what to do with them.
0:28:48 > 0:28:49- Who are they from?- No, Will.
0:28:49 > 0:28:51- They're from him.- From him?- Yeah.