:00:09. > :00:12.Hello, I'm Lucy Owen. You are watching X-Ray.
:00:12. > :00:18.On tonight's programme... This man sold worthless car warranties
:00:18. > :00:21.costing hundreds of pounds. We ask him why.
:00:21. > :00:25.How our evidence helped convict this bogus doctor. One of his
:00:25. > :00:35.victims speaks out. And MP Nick Smith asks why private
:00:35. > :00:45.
:00:45. > :00:48.parking companies are not better Hello. Tonight we are in Swansea.
:00:49. > :00:52.My hometown! Later on, we will be hearing why some people around here
:00:52. > :00:54.are very annoyed with Sainsbury's at the moment.
:00:54. > :01:04.But first, Rachel investigates a car warranty company that has left
:01:04. > :01:09.
:01:09. > :01:12.customers across the UK seriously out of pocket.
:01:12. > :01:15.This is Porthcawl's Grand Pavilion, a truly historic Welsh venue which
:01:15. > :01:22.has played host to everyone from Gerry & The Pacemakers to Katherine
:01:22. > :01:25.Jenkins. But how rich would you have to be
:01:25. > :01:33.to turn it into the Moulin Rouge and hold your daughter's 15th
:01:33. > :01:37.birthday party here? About this rich.
:01:37. > :01:40.My house is on six acres we have a hot tub with full entertainment
:01:40. > :01:45.system. Mum, can we take the Porche?
:01:45. > :01:49.And I also have a lot of cars. These pictures come from a cable TV
:01:49. > :01:54.show where rich teenagers get a party to die for.
:01:54. > :01:59.That is �1,318, please. The family here are the Panasears,
:01:59. > :02:06.from the Vale of Glamorgan. And the cash comes from dad, Harby Panesear.
:02:06. > :02:11.But where did the money come from? This lane in Llantwit Major used to
:02:11. > :02:15.be the hub of his business empire. He took over a company called
:02:15. > :02:18.Motorcare Warranties from his father-in-law, around 2004.
:02:18. > :02:27.Then, four years ago, he set up another company, Motorcare Elite,
:02:27. > :02:30.which operated from offices in this house.
:02:30. > :02:36.The company sold warranties to car dealers, who then sold them on to
:02:36. > :02:42.their customers, offering peace of mind in case the car broke down.
:02:42. > :02:46.Andrew Rafferty from Hirwaun needed a reliable car to get to work.
:02:46. > :02:50.It had done 80,000 miles, so the garage advised me to get one, as a
:02:50. > :02:53.peace of mind. I took out the Motorcare warranty,
:02:53. > :02:56.which, as the garage advised me, was probably one of the best on the
:02:56. > :02:59.market at the time. Andrew paid the garage �200 for a
:02:59. > :03:02.one-year warranty, but in January last year, he faced a big repair
:03:02. > :03:07.bill. But Motorcare seemed slow to pay up.
:03:07. > :03:13.I was �675 out of pocket. It was just after Christmas and I have two
:03:13. > :03:16.kids. It is a dear time of the year and I was in and out of work.
:03:16. > :03:22.The cash never arrived and, by March, Motorcare had gone out of
:03:23. > :03:27.business. But they were just the middlemen. Andrew's policy says it
:03:27. > :03:31.was backed by an insurance company called Alpha Insurance. Surely they
:03:31. > :03:34.would pay out? We received a letter saying that,
:03:34. > :03:42.when they have looked at the records, Motorcare had in fact paid
:03:42. > :03:47.out on this claim on January 5. I can show them bank statements
:03:47. > :03:51.showing I have not had this money. Alpha Insurance say they have
:03:51. > :03:55.evidence other customers are in the same situation. Andrew is furious
:03:55. > :03:59.with Harby Panesar. It makes me very angry to think I
:03:59. > :04:02.actually work for a living and earn money and there is people like him
:04:02. > :04:08.out there taking money from working class people who have worked for
:04:08. > :04:11.this money. Adrian and Beverly Reynolds, from
:04:11. > :04:14.Cwmcarn, bought their pick-up at auction, together with a �700
:04:14. > :04:19.Motorcare Elite warranty, which would last as long as they kept the
:04:19. > :04:24.vehicle. It seemed like money well spent
:04:24. > :04:31.when the car did go wrong. So how much was the repair?
:04:31. > :04:34.The repairs came to �1,260 in total. Quite a lot of money to pay out.
:04:34. > :04:36.But I guess you were reassured because, hey-ho, you had the
:04:36. > :04:40.warranty? Exactly.
:04:40. > :04:42.But it was not that simple. Motorcare had gone out of business,
:04:42. > :04:46.so they turned to the underwriters named on the warranty, Alpha
:04:46. > :04:54.Insurance. We contacted Alpha group and they
:04:54. > :04:57.did not seem to have any record of the policy that we had paid for.
:04:57. > :05:07.In fact, Alpha say they have never provided insurance for life-of-
:05:07. > :05:08.
:05:08. > :05:14.It seems Llantwit Major-based Motorcare had some other tricks up
:05:14. > :05:18.its sleeve. We have been sent lots of Motorcare
:05:18. > :05:22.warranties by viewers. This policy here mentions the name
:05:22. > :05:26.of a company called Belmonte Limited. We have been in touch with
:05:26. > :05:29.them and they say they've never had a contract with Motorcare.
:05:29. > :05:39.When you look closely, you see the actual insurance underwriters are
:05:39. > :05:46.
:05:46. > :05:53.London-based Marine & General Insurance Company. We cannot find
:05:53. > :05:56.any trace of this company fills stop
:05:56. > :05:59.While Motorcare boss Harby Panesar was issuing these policies he was
:05:59. > :06:01.living the dream, spending a reported �20,000 on his daughter's
:06:01. > :06:04.party. But his warranties were not such a
:06:04. > :06:10.hot ticket. The Financial Services Authority is investigating - and
:06:10. > :06:12.warning all custumers that their policies may be worthless.
:06:12. > :06:21.And they say Motorcare sold warranties through more than 400
:06:21. > :06:24.garages. There must be thousands of people who could be out of pocket.
:06:24. > :06:30.Harby Panesar says he is unable to speak to us because of the FSA
:06:30. > :06:33.investigation. Whilst the Motorcare money machine
:06:33. > :06:38.has hit the buffers, the man in charge is still living in his
:06:38. > :06:42.luxury home. He has been declared bankrupt, but does not seem to be
:06:42. > :06:45.on the bread line. We were still keen to speak to Mr
:06:46. > :06:52.Panesar. Can you tell us why you have been
:06:52. > :06:56.selling worthless warranties? Sorry, I have not sold any policies.
:06:56. > :06:59.You have. You have sold worthless warranties to your customers. What
:06:59. > :07:03.exactly has happened to their money when you have taken it?
:07:03. > :07:05.I am sorry, but I think you will find the garages have sold the
:07:05. > :07:07.policies, not myself. Yes, but they were your warranties,
:07:07. > :07:09.weren't they? No, they were were underwritten by
:07:09. > :07:11.underwriters. Talking of underwriters, why were
:07:11. > :07:14.you making up the names of underwriters on your policies?
:07:14. > :07:16.Er, I haven't. You have - Belmonte.
:07:16. > :07:19.Yes well, I have been told... Were Belmonte underwriting your
:07:19. > :07:22.policies? It is a simple question. Yes, they were.
:07:22. > :07:24.That is not what they told us. We actually asked them and they said
:07:24. > :07:27.they had never underwritten any of your policies.
:07:27. > :07:30.The documentation has been given in and that is basically it.
:07:30. > :07:34.What have you got to say to your customers? You have basically left
:07:34. > :07:36.them hundreds of pounds out of pocket and you are living in a
:07:36. > :07:39.place like this. Right. And?
:07:39. > :07:44.But you have taken their money when they cannot afford it. Don't you
:07:44. > :07:47.think you owe them answers? Right, No, all the answers will be
:07:47. > :07:49.given by the authorities. Have you got nothing to say to your
:07:49. > :07:51.customer? At this point, no.
:07:52. > :07:54.Why not? Don't you think you owe them an answer?
:07:54. > :07:57.When the time is right, I will. You will answer questions?
:07:57. > :08:01.When the time is right. Why not now?
:08:01. > :08:11.Because now is not the right time. Thank you.
:08:11. > :08:11.
:08:11. > :08:15.Not the right time, eh? Funny that... He was happy enough to
:08:15. > :08:18.shock officer will fontina he, but no one came to answering our
:08:18. > :08:22.questions. But if you are a former customer,
:08:22. > :08:24.there might be some good news. You may be able to claim back any money
:08:24. > :08:32.you have lost through the Financial Services Compensation Scheme, who
:08:32. > :08:36.say they aRE currently looking into scheme on our website, so if you
:08:36. > :08:40.have had any problems take a look. And if you want to get in touch
:08:40. > :08:47.with us, click on that Get in Touch button or give us a call. The lines
:08:47. > :08:49.Now, last year a lot of you got in touch about the carrier bag charge,
:08:49. > :08:52.especially when Tesco stopped giving out Green Clubcard points
:08:52. > :08:54.for using your own bags. Well, this time, it is Sainsburys you are
:08:54. > :08:57.complaining about. Maggie Tiltman who lives just down
:08:57. > :09:00.the road in Aberafan certainly is not pleased with Sainsbury's
:09:00. > :09:09.decision to charge a flat fee of 40p for bags with each online
:09:09. > :09:15.delivery. It is very unfair. I always go back a carrier bags to
:09:15. > :09:20.the delivery man. I do not need them. I know what is just 40p, but
:09:20. > :09:24.it just seems wrong that they cannot find another system.
:09:24. > :09:27.Not a happy lady. And it is not just Maggie who's been in touch.
:09:27. > :09:30.Trissy Williams from Newport says Tesco have offered the option of a
:09:30. > :09:32.bag free delivery for years and she does not understand why Sainsbury's
:09:32. > :09:35.cannot do the same. And here in Swansea, Elaine
:09:35. > :09:37.Williams is so annoyed that she is stopped shopping at Sainsbury's
:09:37. > :09:43.altogether. Sainsbury's say they decided to
:09:43. > :09:47.charge 40p because online customers use, on average, eight bags each.
:09:47. > :09:50.And they have done it so customers know exactly how much their online
:09:50. > :09:54.shop will cost. But they are going to look at this policy again in the
:09:54. > :09:57.next few months. We will be watching. Now, regular
:09:57. > :10:00.viewers will know all about the problems at The Walk car park in
:10:00. > :10:06.Ebbw Vale. Dozens of people complained to us after getting
:10:06. > :10:10.parking charge notices from a company called Excel Parking. The
:10:10. > :10:14.town's MP Nick Smith even mentioned us in the House of Commons.
:10:14. > :10:24.BBC Cymru Wales is on a story about car parking management in my
:10:24. > :10:24.
:10:24. > :10:28.constituency. This follows a high number of customer complaints.
:10:28. > :10:30.Mr Smith was as concerned as we were. He started looking into the
:10:30. > :10:34.way in which private parking companies like Excel operate. We
:10:34. > :10:38.asked him to share his findings with us.
:10:38. > :10:41.I have been outraged by some of the stories people have told me about
:10:41. > :10:47.what's gone on at The Walk. Councillors Mostyn Lewis and John
:10:47. > :10:50.Rogers are up in arms, too. They say the council has received more
:10:50. > :10:54.than 90 complaints. Nick, I can tell you story after
:10:54. > :10:58.story and I am sure Mostyn can as well, about this sort of situation.
:10:58. > :11:00.Disabled people have been treated disgracefully.
:11:00. > :11:04.Mostyn's angry because Excel Parking tried to charge David
:11:04. > :11:14.Hambley �120, because it took him too long to get a ticket from the
:11:14. > :11:16.
:11:16. > :11:19.new machines. It is disgraceful.
:11:19. > :11:23.While we were filming, I was shocked by how many people had
:11:23. > :11:26.stories about their bad experiences. I am six foot and I am finding it
:11:26. > :11:29.difficult trying to make sense of these signs here and there is a lot
:11:29. > :11:32.of information there. The signs are not lit, which means
:11:32. > :11:35.if it is dark or dusky, it is difficult to make sense of them.
:11:35. > :11:38.And I am concerned about the positioning of some of the signs.
:11:39. > :11:42.If you're reading them, you are standing in the road. There is
:11:42. > :11:45.always the chance you could get winged by a passing car.
:11:45. > :11:47.Since X-Ray first looked into problems at The Walk and I started
:11:47. > :11:52.writing to the company, the landowners who have engaged Excel
:11:52. > :11:56.got involved. There are some new signs up, but
:11:56. > :12:00.that is not enough. I have been trying to find out how many notices
:12:00. > :12:04.have been issued and who's making the money.
:12:04. > :12:08.I got in touch with the company and asked them to explain that to me,
:12:08. > :12:11.but they will not. I also understand that the owners
:12:11. > :12:19.get money from the machines here, but the car park managers get money
:12:19. > :12:25.from the parking charge notices. A cynic would say in their interest
:12:25. > :12:29.for more notices to be issued. It seems they are making a tidy
:12:29. > :12:33.profit. They are managed by a guy called
:12:33. > :12:40.Simon Renshaw Smith. Last year, he paid himself a �100,000 bonus - on
:12:40. > :12:44.top of a near �400,000 salary. Nice work if you can get it.
:12:44. > :12:47.A lot of people have been asking me how Excel got hold of their contact
:12:47. > :12:51.details to send out these parking charge notices.
:12:51. > :13:01.In last six years, the DVLA here have given Excel details of 200,000
:13:01. > :13:02.
:13:02. > :13:05.drivers for penalty notices for They tell me that they have to
:13:05. > :13:09.provide registered keeper details to those with a valid reason to ask
:13:09. > :13:17.for it. That includes parking companies, although the DVLA says
:13:17. > :13:20.there are strict controls. So the DVLA provide this data to
:13:20. > :13:25.Excel because they abide by the British Parking Association Code of
:13:25. > :13:30.Practice. But the Code of Practice was in part decided by Mr Simon
:13:30. > :13:34.Renshaw Smith, the managing director of Excel.
:13:34. > :13:39.That is because he sits on the Approved Operators board of the BPA.
:13:39. > :13:42.Funny that....! At the moment, people who feel they
:13:42. > :13:47.have had an unfair parking charge from a private company like Excel
:13:47. > :13:50.can only appeal to that firm. The British Parking Association will
:13:50. > :13:56.not get involved, so that firm is the judge, the jury and the
:13:56. > :13:59.executioner. But there is another way appeals
:13:59. > :14:03.could be run and it is a model council-owned car parks have to
:14:03. > :14:10.follow. An independent adjudicator, the Traffic Penalty Tribunal,
:14:10. > :14:15.decides whether appeals are justified there.
:14:15. > :14:18.I have come to meet Linda Sparks from Port Talbot. She successfully
:14:18. > :14:21.appealed against her local council when they tried to charge her for
:14:21. > :14:27.not paying to park in a disabled space, despite the fact she had
:14:27. > :14:32.displayed a valid blue badge. The adjudicator accepted the point
:14:32. > :14:34.that I made that the signs were unclear in their wording. They said
:14:34. > :14:38.there were no concessions when there clearly were some concessions
:14:38. > :14:48.and she accepted that these signs did not have the blue badge logo on
:14:48. > :14:51.them in order that people would know it was relative to them.
:14:51. > :14:54.Many of the people that have come to me are very happy to pay for
:14:54. > :15:01.parking, absolutely compliant and want to do the right thing, been
:15:01. > :15:07.caught out and they think unfairly treated. That is why they are cross,
:15:07. > :15:10.that is why they are angry. We need to reduce the penalty. That way
:15:10. > :15:20.everybody is doing the right thing - people pay to park and the
:15:20. > :15:24.landowner gets money for people Well, Excel Parking Services insist
:15:24. > :15:26.that they've always acted properly. But the good news is things are
:15:26. > :15:30.about to change. The British Parking Association has just
:15:30. > :15:33.announced they will be setting up a new appeals system. We caught up
:15:33. > :15:37.with Patrick Troy of the BPA to find out what that will mean for
:15:37. > :15:40.motorists? When it comes into being, what it will mean is that it will
:15:40. > :15:44.be very similar to the way that members of public who get parking
:15:44. > :15:47.tickets from local authorities are able to appeal now. So in simple
:15:47. > :15:51.terms, if you get a parking ticket and you're not happy with it, you
:15:51. > :15:53.will write to the person who's issued it to you, just as you would
:15:53. > :15:57.to the local authority. They will consider your case and either
:15:57. > :16:01.cancel your ticket or ask you to pay it. If they ask you to pay it
:16:01. > :16:04.then they will tell you to whom you can go to have your case
:16:04. > :16:09.independently considered. That scheme should come into being in
:16:09. > :16:12.October. We'll be watching how it works. Now lots of you have also
:16:12. > :16:15.been in touch asking why they shouldn't just rip up those parking
:16:15. > :16:24.charge notices. We asked barrister Christopher Rees, who visited The
:16:24. > :16:28.Walk in Ebbw Vale for us last year, what he thinks. It's not a fine,
:16:28. > :16:37.it's a charge, which means Excel would have to take you to court if
:16:37. > :16:47.you didn't pay. Most parking companies don't bother, but they
:16:47. > :16:47.
:16:47. > :16:51.could if they wanted to. So it is up to the individual to decide
:16:51. > :16:57.whether they want to take that risk. So now you know. Next, Lucy's On
:16:57. > :17:01.Mike Thane from Cardiff thought he'd found a great deal when he
:17:01. > :17:11.bought a second hand Peugeot. But the car has developed a major
:17:11. > :17:11.
:17:11. > :17:16.problem that's left Mike worried My engine keeps on cutting out when
:17:16. > :17:23.I'm driving my car and the garage can't seem to fix it. I'm on the
:17:24. > :17:33.Mike used to run his own garage here in Cardiff, but now it's his
:17:34. > :17:36.
:17:36. > :17:41.Hello Mike, lovely to see you. Show In March 2010, Mike decided to
:17:41. > :17:46.trade in his old car for a new model. Is it important to you then
:17:46. > :17:50.to have a reliable car? Yes if I've got to travel quite a lot cos I go
:17:50. > :17:53.see my family up north. My daughter is in Nottingham. Regular visits to
:17:53. > :18:02.see his children and grandchildren who all live far away are important
:18:02. > :18:05.to Mike. How old are the grandchildren? Six. Mike thought
:18:05. > :18:12.his �7,000 Peugeot would be just the job for family visits and
:18:12. > :18:17.motorway driving. Until he had a very frightening experience. I was
:18:17. > :18:22.within half a mile of home, and a warning light came on the dash. It
:18:22. > :18:25.just cut out like somebody switched the engine off. There was no power
:18:25. > :18:29.in the engine. There was cars behind me but they missed me
:18:29. > :18:34.luckily. The car was under warranty but the garage he'd bought it from
:18:34. > :18:42.was no longer a Peugeot dealership. They advised Mike to go to Griffin
:18:43. > :18:46.Mill garage in Pontypridd. They put a new fuel pump on it and then a
:18:47. > :18:50.week later it was the same. And you had quite a nasty experience didn't
:18:51. > :18:54.you on the motorway? Yes I was up on the M6, I'd done about 160 miles
:18:54. > :18:58.and it cut out then. It could have been dangerous then as it happened
:18:58. > :19:02.there were no cars around. Mike took the car back to Griffin Mill
:19:02. > :19:08.who carried on trying to diagnose the problem. But when it lost power
:19:08. > :19:12.again on a busy road last October, he decided enough was enough.
:19:12. > :19:16.want a car that's safe to drive and not be frightened when I go out
:19:16. > :19:25.that it's going to cut out on me and cause an accident. OK, Mike,
:19:26. > :19:29.I'm on the case! So what can you do if you keep taking your car to a
:19:29. > :19:32.garage and the problem just doesn't get fixed? It can be difficult to
:19:32. > :19:35.prove that a garage is at fault, but if a customer feels that their
:19:35. > :19:40.problem isn't being dealt with properly they can register their
:19:40. > :19:43.complaint with a motoring trade association. Motor Codes is
:19:43. > :19:47.government backed and has a free- of-charge service to help deal with
:19:47. > :19:50.disputes. But Mike had a manufacturer's warranty so he was
:19:50. > :19:56.covered for repairs and could have reported the issues directly to
:19:56. > :20:00.Peugeot. I've been in touch with Griffin Mill and Peugeot, and both
:20:00. > :20:04.have offered their apologies. Griffin Mill say they wanted to
:20:04. > :20:07.take the car in for more testing but Mr Thane refused this request.
:20:07. > :20:12.However Peugeot have offered to take the car away to carry out
:20:12. > :20:15.extensive tests at their main Technical Centre in Coventry.
:20:15. > :20:22.They've also offered �580 to pay for a hire car so Mike can continue
:20:22. > :20:27.to visit his family while the work is carried out. Thanks Lucy, the
:20:27. > :20:36.car is now fixed. I'm driving again and now I feel safe. And that's
:20:36. > :20:38.Mike's a happy man. He is indeed. Now, last March we brought you a
:20:38. > :20:43.shocking investigation into a supposed therapist working in
:20:43. > :20:46.Carmarthenshire who falsely claimed he could treat cancer. Our evidence,
:20:46. > :20:49.and the testimonies of two new victims, led to the arrest of Reg
:20:49. > :20:59.Gill and his wife Leila and they were finally brought to justice
:20:59. > :21:04.
:21:04. > :21:06.right here in Swansea Crown Court. Reg Gill is not a doctor. But he
:21:06. > :21:14.claims he can treat cancer, even though he knows that's illegal
:21:14. > :21:18.under The Cancer Act. I've been to prison for doing it. Really? Yeah.
:21:18. > :21:23.Well, it's illegal for me to cure you of cancer. The 77-year-old was
:21:23. > :21:25.running an alternative clinic here in Carmarthenshire. He advertised
:21:25. > :21:32.his bizarre treatments at health fairs, convincing sick people who'd
:21:32. > :21:36.lost faith in conventional medicine that he could treat their illnesses.
:21:36. > :21:39.Judith Green was one of his patients. He'd said he'd been a
:21:39. > :21:43.medical officer in the war, he seemed to be experienced, very
:21:43. > :21:51.knowledgeable, and I had no reason at that stage to doubt that he was
:21:51. > :21:58.a medical doctor. In 2004, Gill was jailed for fraud, after falsely
:21:58. > :22:02.claiming he could cure a Flintshire man of pancreatic cancer. But
:22:02. > :22:06.prison didn't stop Reg Gill from preying on desperate people. Early
:22:06. > :22:09.last year, we found out that he and his new wife Leila were still
:22:09. > :22:15.claiming they could cure cancer patients at their home in the small
:22:15. > :22:18.village of Cwmduad in Carmarthenshire. Our researcher
:22:19. > :22:26.phoned Reg Gill with a cover story, that she feared she had cancer and
:22:26. > :22:30.had been advised to have a biopsy. My real concern is that it is bowel
:22:30. > :22:32.cancer. Quite easily dealt with. sent two members of our team
:22:33. > :22:38.undercover to Gill's home where his 35-year-old wife Leila assists him
:22:38. > :22:44.in treating patients. His penchant for younger women soon becomes
:22:44. > :22:49.clear. I knew you'd be a pretty one. Before long, Gill is boasting about
:22:49. > :22:54.what he can do for our researcher. Put it like this, if you let me
:22:54. > :22:58.treat you, you'll walk away from here without cancer. I beg your
:22:58. > :23:01.pardon? You will go out of here without the cancer. Today? Today.
:23:01. > :23:06.Judith Green went to Reg Gill concerned about an infection.
:23:06. > :23:12.Little did she know what would follow. He was waving his hands
:23:12. > :23:16.around, up and down my body as though he was scanning. And he said
:23:16. > :23:26.I was in a very bad way, he asked me to get undressed, and he would
:23:26. > :23:27.
:23:27. > :23:30.use an IFAS machine which would be able to re-energise the body.
:23:30. > :23:37.his treatment uses a device which the medical profession condemns as
:23:37. > :23:40.dangerous and unproven. Reg Gill used one of these on his patients.
:23:40. > :23:43.It's called an IFAS machine, and he claims it kills cancer cells by
:23:43. > :23:52.releasing high frequency waves and ozone into the body through various
:23:52. > :23:54.attachments. The machines aren't licensed to treat any illnesses.
:23:54. > :24:00.But Reg Gill sold them to vulnerable patients for up to
:24:00. > :24:03.$2,500 a time. Judith was devastated to be told she had
:24:03. > :24:09.cancer. Gill then used the machine to subject her to an uncomfortable,
:24:09. > :24:12.invasive treatment. He was the practitioner, I was the patient
:24:12. > :24:19.with basically nowhere to turn because I've now been told I've got
:24:19. > :24:22.cancer. Were you comfortable with what was happening? I knew he was
:24:22. > :24:28.being inappropriate anyway but I was trying to dismiss that at the
:24:28. > :24:33.time just to get a cure. Reg Gill persuaded Judith Green to stay the
:24:33. > :24:38.night at his bungalow and to return for another appointment. Alarmed by
:24:38. > :24:41.his behaviour, she reported him to the authorities. He was referring
:24:41. > :24:47.to his own sexual experiences with women that threw themselves at him
:24:47. > :24:50.because he'd saved their lives. I personally believe he's a sexual
:24:50. > :24:52.predator and he disguises that, creates a smokescreen, tells people
:24:53. > :25:02.they've got cancer when they haven't got cancer, so that can
:25:03. > :25:04.
:25:04. > :25:07.completely shake people's worlds and creates this dependency.
:25:07. > :25:15.April, a month after our report, another woman who can't be named
:25:15. > :25:20.came to the Gills home in Cwmduad. She too became a victim not just of
:25:20. > :25:24.fraud, but of sexual assault. The woman had gone to the Gills house
:25:24. > :25:30.with a friend who wanted to buy supplements. But Reg Gill shifted
:25:30. > :25:35.the focus to her health. Her words are spoken by an actor. Reg was
:25:35. > :25:39.looking at me. He started moving the palm of his hand over my
:25:39. > :25:43.midriff area and he said, you have big problems. He said you're going
:25:44. > :25:47.to have to take your clothes off for me to have a proper look. He
:25:47. > :25:52.started to press my lower abdomen then he moved his hand up from my
:25:52. > :25:57.tummy and started to feel my breasts. He looked me in the eye
:25:57. > :26:04.and said, well, my dear, I'm sorry to say but you have cancer. It was
:26:04. > :26:08.a massive shock. In the same breath he said, don't worry I can fix that.
:26:08. > :26:11.This machine doesn't just diagnose cancer it treats cancer. It was
:26:12. > :26:17.like the same person had told me I'm going to die then told me I
:26:17. > :26:23.could live. Reg Gill used the IFAS machine on the woman in an intimate
:26:24. > :26:28.way. His wife, Leila, assisted him. He was breathing on me, much too
:26:28. > :26:35.close, but I couldn't move away. Then he said it's all gone, he said
:26:35. > :26:40.he'd got it. I was so relieved. next day the woman went to her GP.
:26:40. > :26:43.Shocked at her story, he was able to confirm she did not have cancer.
:26:43. > :26:48.She searched the internet and after seeing X-Ray's report on the Gill's,
:26:48. > :26:54.she went to the police. Dyfed Powys Police investigated the claims made
:26:54. > :26:59.by both women and trawled through X-Ray's damning undercover footage.
:26:59. > :27:04.In May, officers swooped on the Gill's home to arrest them both.
:27:04. > :27:07.Detective Constable Nicola Williams led the investigation. We conducted
:27:07. > :27:11.searches of their home address and found machines and other items
:27:12. > :27:14.mentioned by both victims. This isn't a case you come across every
:27:15. > :27:24.day, its very unusual to tell someone they've got a disease in
:27:25. > :27:27.
:27:27. > :27:32.order to sexually abuse them. The X-Ray programme helped us because
:27:32. > :27:35.it put into pictures what was going on in the Gills household. Both
:27:35. > :27:40.complainants had come to us and given us their versions of events
:27:40. > :27:44.but this corroborated everything they were saying. Mr and Mrs Gill
:27:44. > :27:51.are a danger to the public, because they are telling people not to have
:27:51. > :27:55.conventional treatment and are also sexually abusing them. So it is a
:27:55. > :27:59.very pleasing result. The jury at Swansea Crown Court was unanimous
:27:59. > :28:05.in their verdict. Reg Gill was found guilty of three sexual
:28:05. > :28:08.assaults, six assaults by penetration and two counts of fraud.
:28:08. > :28:15.Leila Gill was convicted of one sexual assault and one count of
:28:16. > :28:19.fraud. Reg and Leila Gill will be sentenced in the next couple of
:28:19. > :28:22.weeks, we'll let you know what happens. That's all we've got time