0:00:14 > 0:00:15Operation Dibri,
0:00:15 > 0:00:17as some of you may know, is a long-running Trident
0:00:17 > 0:00:21investigation into the activities of the Tottenham Mandem, the TMD.
0:00:21 > 0:00:25There is intelligence to suggest that Mark Duggan is currently
0:00:25 > 0:00:27in possession or control of about three firearms and he's
0:00:27 > 0:00:30looking to take possession of a firearm perhaps this evening
0:00:30 > 0:00:34and he's been trying to do it for a few days.
0:00:34 > 0:00:37Strict reminder for the firearms officers. Listen in, guys.
0:00:37 > 0:00:39A firearm is to be fired only as a last resort.
0:00:39 > 0:00:42Other methods must have been tried and failed.
0:00:42 > 0:00:43Taxi, yeah?
0:00:52 > 0:00:56So, what? Like, what, just wait there, yeah? All right, cool.
0:01:02 > 0:01:04- What's going on?- All right?
0:01:04 > 0:01:06- Go easy.- Yeah.
0:01:06 > 0:01:09Boss man, Tottenham, yeah?
0:01:12 > 0:01:14We're on him.
0:01:14 > 0:01:15Thanks. Thanks. OK.
0:01:15 > 0:01:20Duggan confirmed in possession of a firearm. On my team, go.
0:01:20 > 0:01:21SIRENS WAIL
0:01:22 > 0:01:25Strike! Strike! Strike!
0:01:29 > 0:01:33Armed police! Armed police! He's reaching! He's reaching!
0:01:33 > 0:01:35GUNFIRE
0:01:40 > 0:01:42OFFICER SHOUTING
0:01:49 > 0:01:55SHOUTING ECHOES
0:01:56 > 0:01:59Where's the gun? Where's the gun?!
0:01:59 > 0:02:01- Medi pack! - SIRENS WAIL
0:02:09 > 0:02:14The police shooting of Mark Duggan in August 2011 triggered
0:02:14 > 0:02:16the worst riots in modern British history.
0:02:18 > 0:02:20People died in those riots,
0:02:20 > 0:02:22so that's one thing that absolutely raises
0:02:22 > 0:02:25the Duggan shooting up above others.
0:02:26 > 0:02:30There is still no agreement about what actually happened when
0:02:30 > 0:02:33Duggan was stopped by armed police on that summer's day.
0:02:33 > 0:02:36That three to five seconds of history
0:02:36 > 0:02:40has far too many different versions
0:02:40 > 0:02:44for anyone to say one version is any truer than another version.
0:02:47 > 0:02:50An inquest jury decided that Mark Duggan was not holding
0:02:50 > 0:02:54a gun when he was shot, but that it was a lawful killing because the
0:02:54 > 0:02:59officer who fired honestly believed there was a gun in his hand.
0:02:59 > 0:03:03The body that investigates the police, the IPCC,
0:03:03 > 0:03:06found that Mark Duggan was holding a gun, but that
0:03:06 > 0:03:08he was throwing it as he was shot.
0:03:10 > 0:03:14There's even less agreement about who Mark Duggan really was -
0:03:14 > 0:03:18highly dangerous gangster or ordinary family man.
0:03:20 > 0:03:24More than five years on, the story is wrapped up in secret
0:03:24 > 0:03:28intelligence, the existence of which cannot even be acknowledged,
0:03:28 > 0:03:32leading to a suspicion that the truth is being hidden.
0:03:32 > 0:03:34If it was a member of my family that had been shot
0:03:34 > 0:03:37and the answer from the official body investigating was, "Well,
0:03:37 > 0:03:39"we know the answer but we can't tell you," yeah, I would find that
0:03:39 > 0:03:42incredibly frustrating and I wouldn't trust it either.
0:03:42 > 0:03:44The whole function of intelligence
0:03:44 > 0:03:49must be the prevention of crime and the prevention
0:03:49 > 0:03:51of death, if at all possible, so it seems to me
0:03:51 > 0:03:55these are vital questions that have remained unanswered.
0:03:55 > 0:03:59Something is amiss here, something's not quite right here,
0:03:59 > 0:04:01so what is the truth?
0:04:02 > 0:04:06This film tries to get closer to the truth through personal
0:04:06 > 0:04:09testimony and official records.
0:04:09 > 0:04:13..Two-two. Duggan in the car.
0:04:13 > 0:04:16Dramatised scenes are based on what is known about the movements
0:04:16 > 0:04:19of Mark Duggan and the police who were tracking him over
0:04:19 > 0:04:21the 24 hours leading up to the shooting.
0:04:23 > 0:04:26The Metropolitan Police chose not to participate in the making of
0:04:26 > 0:04:30this film, but we hear the officers' own words by dramatising
0:04:30 > 0:04:32their inquest transcripts.
0:04:38 > 0:04:41The people here are still very animated about it,
0:04:41 > 0:04:43they're still passionate.
0:04:43 > 0:04:46What's driving them on to keep fighting for Mark Duggan?
0:04:46 > 0:04:48They have no alternative.
0:04:48 > 0:04:51We went to an inquest and we heard the police's accounts,
0:04:51 > 0:04:54we heard their version and subsequent to that inquest,
0:04:54 > 0:04:59we've found out lots more that throws real doubt on their account.
0:04:59 > 0:05:03The first phone call I got, I was told that the police
0:05:03 > 0:05:09on Ferry Lane had shot a young black guy who had come out of a car,
0:05:09 > 0:05:12armed, and was pointing his gun to shoot it at them.
0:05:12 > 0:05:16My instant response was, "That's tough, isn't it?
0:05:16 > 0:05:19"But you play by the sword, you die by the sword.
0:05:19 > 0:05:22"If you're crazy enough to draw a gun and go and attack
0:05:22 > 0:05:25"the police officers and they shoot you and kill you, oh, well."
0:05:35 > 0:05:39Ladies and gents, I'm Zulu 51,
0:05:39 > 0:05:44I'm a DI from Trident and we're all here today on Operation Dibri.
0:05:44 > 0:05:46The date is Wednesday, 3rd August,
0:05:46 > 0:05:51and the time by my watch is ten minutes past six in the evening.
0:05:51 > 0:05:56Trident, a Metropolitan Police unit tasked with tackling gun crime,
0:05:56 > 0:05:59was then over two years in to a long-running operation
0:05:59 > 0:06:01codenamed Dibri.
0:06:02 > 0:06:04Operation Dibri, it was really...
0:06:04 > 0:06:06It was an operation that was tackling
0:06:06 > 0:06:08an organised criminal network,
0:06:08 > 0:06:11organised criminal gang known as TMD.
0:06:11 > 0:06:15In more layman's terms, it's Tottenham Mandem.
0:06:15 > 0:06:18They were involved of the supply of firearms or use of firearms
0:06:18 > 0:06:21and drugs, the supply of class A drugs.
0:06:21 > 0:06:23As well as that, they would be involved in
0:06:23 > 0:06:27a number of murders and attempted murders and conflicts with other
0:06:27 > 0:06:31organised criminal gangs which... from opposing areas, basically.
0:06:32 > 0:06:36We received daily briefings that the TMD had been involved in
0:06:36 > 0:06:38numerous fatal and non-fatal shootings,
0:06:38 > 0:06:41kidnappings, the supply of class A drugs
0:06:41 > 0:06:43within London and they had been involved in stops
0:06:43 > 0:06:47where they've actually made determined attempts
0:06:47 > 0:06:48to escape, discarded firearms.
0:06:48 > 0:06:52They've been very surveillance-aware and so on.
0:06:52 > 0:06:56There are a large number of subjects and associates on this operation.
0:06:56 > 0:07:00There are, I think, six that have been put on the briefing for
0:07:00 > 0:07:03tonight who may become relevant for tonight or for the rest of the week.
0:07:03 > 0:07:07'My job was really as a detective sergeant on the proactive team,'
0:07:07 > 0:07:09the day-to-day running of my team
0:07:09 > 0:07:12and receiving and assessing intelligence
0:07:12 > 0:07:15and running the day-to-day response to that intelligence,
0:07:15 > 0:07:17working to Mr Foote, the SIO.
0:07:17 > 0:07:19If I come back to Mark Duggan,
0:07:19 > 0:07:22the picture on there is quite a good likeness.
0:07:23 > 0:07:26He's got a baby mother with ... children who live at ...
0:07:26 > 0:07:27which is just off ...
0:07:29 > 0:07:33He does frequent that address on a daily basis.
0:07:33 > 0:07:35Operation Dibri had been implemented before I'd attended Trident
0:07:35 > 0:07:37or deployed to Trident
0:07:37 > 0:07:39and during that time, I understand,
0:07:39 > 0:07:42there was around 100 subjects that were part of that through research,
0:07:42 > 0:07:44but the core, if you like,
0:07:44 > 0:07:46of that group were around 48 members
0:07:46 > 0:07:50and they were considered the most violent people in London
0:07:50 > 0:07:53and not only in London, but outside London,
0:07:53 > 0:07:56stretching across to Europe because of the importation of drugs
0:07:56 > 0:07:59and involvement in that aspect and they were closely linked
0:07:59 > 0:08:02to Turkish criminal organisations as well.
0:08:02 > 0:08:05There was the intriguing bit in the inquest where the cop said
0:08:05 > 0:08:06he was on a list and he was
0:08:06 > 0:08:08amongst the 48 most dangerous gangsters
0:08:08 > 0:08:12in all of Europe, which seemed a remarkably precise number.
0:08:21 > 0:08:25There is intelligence to suggest that Mark Duggan is currently
0:08:25 > 0:08:27in possession or control of about three firearms
0:08:27 > 0:08:30and that he's looking to take possession of a firearm
0:08:30 > 0:08:32perhaps this evening.
0:08:32 > 0:08:34He's been trying to do it for a few days.
0:08:34 > 0:08:36The intelligence over that period, and historically,
0:08:36 > 0:08:37was a clear indication
0:08:37 > 0:08:39that Mr Duggan was involved in gun crime.
0:08:39 > 0:08:41As well as gun crime, he was involved
0:08:41 > 0:08:45in the supply of class A drugs and possession of ammunition as well.
0:08:45 > 0:08:48All of those are obviously very serious crimes.
0:08:48 > 0:08:52Mark Duggan had a criminal record for two minor convictions -
0:08:52 > 0:08:57possession of cannabis and receiving stolen goods.
0:08:57 > 0:09:00But intelligence held on the police national computer
0:09:00 > 0:09:03and the Metropolitan Police's own systems
0:09:03 > 0:09:05linked him to serious offences,
0:09:05 > 0:09:07including suspicion of firing weapons
0:09:07 > 0:09:11and arrests in connection with attempted murder and murder.
0:09:11 > 0:09:13That intelligence was rated,
0:09:13 > 0:09:17according to the police's own evaluation method,
0:09:17 > 0:09:20which grades intelligence from A1, for a highly reliable source,
0:09:20 > 0:09:23down to E5, which could be comparable
0:09:23 > 0:09:25to something overheard in a pub.
0:09:26 > 0:09:29So you'll have, for example, E,
0:09:29 > 0:09:31pretty untested, unreliable, unknown,
0:09:31 > 0:09:33and 4 or 5 would be.
0:09:33 > 0:09:36It could be malicious, that type of grading, to sort of A1, A2,
0:09:36 > 0:09:40like that, so it's sort of a letter and number system.
0:09:40 > 0:09:41Does that make sense?
0:09:41 > 0:09:45The only intelligence relating to Mark Duggan where the grading
0:09:45 > 0:09:47was ever revealed was a report
0:09:47 > 0:09:50that he had been in possession of a handgun.
0:09:50 > 0:09:52That was graded as E4.
0:09:53 > 0:09:56E4 sits quite low because it would be something
0:09:56 > 0:09:59that's either untested, cannot-be-judged intelligence.
0:09:59 > 0:10:03The grading of the other intelligence was never made public,
0:10:03 > 0:10:05but by the summer of 2011,
0:10:05 > 0:10:09Mark Duggan was under what the police call directed surveillance.
0:10:09 > 0:10:12Directed surveillance means that that, you know, basically,
0:10:12 > 0:10:14as a police state,
0:10:14 > 0:10:16a law enforcement agency,
0:10:16 > 0:10:19we have the powers to intrude on people's privacy,
0:10:19 > 0:10:22and that comes under a legislation called RIPA,
0:10:22 > 0:10:24the regulatory investigative police powers act.
0:10:24 > 0:10:28The idea for that power is to allow us to conduct surveillance
0:10:28 > 0:10:32on people, people that are involved in criminality.
0:10:32 > 0:10:35My understanding of RIPA is pretty limited.
0:10:35 > 0:10:36I'm just a lay person.
0:10:36 > 0:10:40It is very difficult to get a deep understanding of it,
0:10:40 > 0:10:42because the officials always say that they're not allowed to
0:10:42 > 0:10:45speak about it, not allowed to speak about its existence,
0:10:45 > 0:10:49and not allowed to tell you if RIPA legislation
0:10:49 > 0:10:51is impacting on their investigation.
0:10:51 > 0:10:56So, RIPA is the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000.
0:10:56 > 0:11:00So, they're bugging phones, they're using listening devices
0:11:00 > 0:11:04if GCHQ is on you. These are things that we're not allowed
0:11:04 > 0:11:07to have public discussion and debate about,
0:11:07 > 0:11:11and officials are not allowed to even speak about it.
0:11:11 > 0:11:17RIPA is the beginning of secret courts and secret legislation.
0:11:17 > 0:11:20The RIPA intelligence on Mark Duggan was so secret
0:11:20 > 0:11:25that an ordinary coroner couldn't share the inquest into his death.
0:11:25 > 0:11:29Instead, a senior judge with high enough security clearance
0:11:29 > 0:11:31to see the intelligence had to be appointed.
0:11:38 > 0:11:41The picture of Mark Duggan painted by the police intelligence
0:11:41 > 0:11:45was very different to that given by his family and friends.
0:11:45 > 0:11:50This is a bike that Mark bought Kemani for his birthday.
0:11:52 > 0:11:54And this is Mark on the bike.
0:11:54 > 0:11:57I am Mark Duggan's baby-mother.
0:11:57 > 0:11:59I have three children for him.
0:11:59 > 0:12:02We started going out on my 16th birthday.
0:12:04 > 0:12:07This is when Kahliya was born.
0:12:07 > 0:12:11Ah, this is a good one. This is when Mark was getting a tattoo.
0:12:11 > 0:12:14He was trying to pretend that it wasn't hurting him, but it was.
0:12:14 > 0:12:18My first memories of Mark,
0:12:18 > 0:12:22he used to have this big, curly Afro...
0:12:23 > 0:12:25Big curly Afro.
0:12:26 > 0:12:30I knew Mark from when he was born.
0:12:30 > 0:12:32He grew up with my son.
0:12:32 > 0:12:36He grew up in Broadwater Farm estate which, you know,
0:12:36 > 0:12:39your kids played out, and everybody played together.
0:12:39 > 0:12:40Mark rode with many young people
0:12:40 > 0:12:42that he grew up with in the community.
0:12:42 > 0:12:45They're all young kids growing up together.
0:12:45 > 0:12:48Maybe one or two of them were a bit hyperactive,
0:12:48 > 0:12:51but not to an extent where I would say
0:12:51 > 0:12:53they were a danger to this community.
0:12:53 > 0:12:56Even growing up,
0:12:56 > 0:12:59he was, like, more into girls.
0:12:59 > 0:13:03From an early age himself, he was into girls,
0:13:03 > 0:13:06when he realised that he was cute. Everybody started to say,
0:13:06 > 0:13:10"Oh, he's so cute!" He just went on a different one.
0:13:10 > 0:13:12He was like, "Everybody fancies me."
0:13:14 > 0:13:16All you hear is just from the media,
0:13:16 > 0:13:18bad-mouthing the Broadwater Farm estate.
0:13:18 > 0:13:20And it's totally not like that.
0:13:20 > 0:13:23Everyone looks out for each other on that estate, and...
0:13:24 > 0:13:26I had a good childhood there,
0:13:26 > 0:13:30and I am proud to say that's where I come from.
0:13:30 > 0:13:33But I always knew, from when I was a child, that...
0:13:33 > 0:13:35How can I put it?
0:13:35 > 0:13:38When I saw police, I knew it was trouble.
0:13:38 > 0:13:42It's always the case of, the police are here. What are they here for?
0:13:42 > 0:13:44They are coming to cause some form of trouble,
0:13:44 > 0:13:47and that's how I saw it. That's how it's always been.
0:13:53 > 0:13:56There's been a big, long-running theme over decades
0:13:56 > 0:13:58about the police and their relationship
0:13:58 > 0:14:00with the communities they serve.
0:14:00 > 0:14:03We see a series of riots across urban Britain,
0:14:03 > 0:14:06culminating in the Broadwater Farm riot in Tottenham in 1985.
0:14:06 > 0:14:09Vicious, vicious rioting.
0:14:09 > 0:14:12- NEWS REPORT:- On the night of October 6th 1985,
0:14:12 > 0:14:15500 policemen faced petrol bombs, bottles, bricks,
0:14:15 > 0:14:17machetes, axes, knives and guns.
0:14:17 > 0:14:19More than 200 were injured.
0:14:19 > 0:14:23Police Constable Keith Blakelock was hacked to death.
0:14:24 > 0:14:29The killing of PC Blakelock in the 1985 riot on Broadwater Farm
0:14:29 > 0:14:32was perhaps the most traumatic single event in the recent history
0:14:32 > 0:14:34of the Metropolitan Police.
0:14:34 > 0:14:36Here was a, by all accounts,
0:14:36 > 0:14:40exemplary community beat officer hacked to death
0:14:40 > 0:14:44in the most savage circumstances, his head almost severed.
0:14:44 > 0:14:49There were all sorts of myths and beliefs and ideologies
0:14:49 > 0:14:52around that event, and then, when,
0:14:52 > 0:14:55after a farce of an original trial, at which fabricated evidence
0:14:55 > 0:14:58led to the wrongful conviction of three people,
0:14:58 > 0:15:03this only added to the soreness of the wound that Tottenham and
0:15:03 > 0:15:07Broadwater Farm represented within the Metropolitan Police Service.
0:15:07 > 0:15:10So, this block here was Tangmere,
0:15:10 > 0:15:13and up on the first floor was the mezzanine floor.
0:15:14 > 0:15:18It's where the few supermarkets and shops,
0:15:18 > 0:15:21resources, that were available to this estate were actually based.
0:15:21 > 0:15:26PC Blakelock came to his end down there.
0:15:26 > 0:15:29So, for the Metropolitan Police Service,
0:15:29 > 0:15:32that's what makes this estate a symbolic location.
0:15:35 > 0:15:37It's a symbolic location of the
0:15:37 > 0:15:40conflict between black communities and the police.
0:15:40 > 0:15:43It's a place where so many past wrongs,
0:15:43 > 0:15:46past wounds on both sides are stored up.
0:15:46 > 0:15:49It's the powder keg waiting for the piece of tinder.
0:15:49 > 0:15:53That's the context that you have to put Mark Duggan's death into.
0:15:53 > 0:15:57There's very few angels on Broadwater Farm.
0:15:57 > 0:16:00I've walked those corridors many a time
0:16:00 > 0:16:02and I've not bumped into an angel.
0:16:02 > 0:16:05So, you get young people who come together,
0:16:05 > 0:16:08and because they've grown on an identifiable estate,
0:16:08 > 0:16:11they sometimes get territorial. "This is my area."
0:16:11 > 0:16:14So they become crews. They're not gangs.
0:16:14 > 0:16:18Gangs are structured organisations, with a hierarchy,
0:16:18 > 0:16:21a leadership, where they all have the same objective,
0:16:21 > 0:16:23normally it's about money.
0:16:23 > 0:16:26These are groups of kids who create a bond,
0:16:26 > 0:16:28and they create a camaraderie,
0:16:28 > 0:16:30but they're not gangsters.
0:16:32 > 0:16:36Do I know any Mr Bigs in the community?
0:16:37 > 0:16:39Maybe. Maybe.
0:16:39 > 0:16:42It definitely weren't Mark.
0:16:42 > 0:16:45I'm eight years senior to Mark,
0:16:45 > 0:16:49so I have seen a lot more gangs before his time.
0:16:49 > 0:16:53If I go back, 2003,
0:16:53 > 0:16:55'04, '05, now we're talking about
0:16:55 > 0:16:57a different generation of Tottenham Mandem.
0:16:57 > 0:17:01What was going on then was shootings, kidnappings, tortures.
0:17:01 > 0:17:05These are men that were walking with firearms.
0:17:05 > 0:17:08Crime was being done, shots were fired in the air, bah-bah-bah!
0:17:08 > 0:17:11Everybody run. Nobody would tell the police nothing.
0:17:11 > 0:17:14You told the police, you were liable to get shot tomorrow.
0:17:14 > 0:17:19The Tottenham Mandem - dead, prison, in church, right now.
0:17:19 > 0:17:23So, Mark and his little friends on Broadwater Farm that grew up there
0:17:23 > 0:17:26and that have had to carry the burden of PC Blakelock
0:17:26 > 0:17:30all these years, and been criminalised because that's
0:17:30 > 0:17:32where they were born and grown,
0:17:32 > 0:17:36being styled up, as now, Tottenham Mandem - they're not.
0:17:37 > 0:17:41Mark grew up in the aftermath of the PC Blakelock killing,
0:17:41 > 0:17:44but he didn't spend his whole childhood on the estate.
0:17:44 > 0:17:47We used to go to school on Broadwater Farm.
0:17:47 > 0:17:50When he went into the big school, he didn't settle.
0:17:50 > 0:17:53He wasn't bad. He was just...not conforming.
0:17:53 > 0:17:58The change in him wasn't positive, the way I saw it,
0:17:58 > 0:18:00so, I was there one day and I just said to him,
0:18:00 > 0:18:03"Wouldn't you like to come and live in Manchester for a while?"
0:18:03 > 0:18:05And he just said yeah.
0:18:05 > 0:18:08He took school a bit more seriously
0:18:08 > 0:18:12and wanted to get grades.
0:18:12 > 0:18:14Then he returned back to London.
0:18:14 > 0:18:18When Mark went back to London, him and Semone got together,
0:18:18 > 0:18:23and then it wasn't long before they moved in.
0:18:23 > 0:18:28Mark had a shop on the Farm, Broadwater Farm estate,
0:18:28 > 0:18:29selling clothes.
0:18:29 > 0:18:34He also done, like, club promoting.
0:18:34 > 0:18:38And that's how he made his money.
0:18:38 > 0:18:42He did everything late. He never partied until he was in his 20s,
0:18:42 > 0:18:44because he was 20 when they had Kemani.
0:18:44 > 0:18:47So, he just wanted to be a family man.
0:18:47 > 0:18:51He just wanted to have kids and have a proper family. Um...
0:18:51 > 0:18:53So, he didn't start partying, going out,
0:18:53 > 0:18:56till maybe he was about 23, something like that.
0:18:56 > 0:18:58Just kind of out in the clubs and stuff like that,
0:18:58 > 0:19:00his face was popping up quite a lot,
0:19:00 > 0:19:02and we kind of connected from there,
0:19:02 > 0:19:05started talking about doing parties and stuff,
0:19:05 > 0:19:07kind of built a relationship from there.
0:19:07 > 0:19:10Mark and his friends called themselves the Star Gang,
0:19:10 > 0:19:12but according to those who knew him,
0:19:12 > 0:19:15this was just a name they used when they were out at the clubs
0:19:15 > 0:19:18and parties, not a gang in the criminal sense.
0:19:18 > 0:19:20He was a player.
0:19:20 > 0:19:22SHE LAUGHS
0:19:22 > 0:19:27OK. A player is a womaniser.
0:19:28 > 0:19:33A gangster is somebody that goes around and hurts people.
0:19:33 > 0:19:35He was a womaniser.
0:19:35 > 0:19:38Not an angel. If you came to fight him, he would fight you,
0:19:38 > 0:19:41but he's not like how they make out, like,
0:19:41 > 0:19:44"Yeah, he rolled around with a gun all the time."
0:19:44 > 0:19:47It's nothing like that.
0:19:47 > 0:19:50INTERVIEWER: Do you think he rolled around with a gun ever?
0:19:50 > 0:19:53Well, there was a gun in the car, they said,
0:19:53 > 0:19:56so he must have rolled around a bit at some time.
0:19:56 > 0:19:58That would be the million-dollar question, innit?
0:19:58 > 0:20:03I haven't got a clue why he had a gun. There's tons of reasons why.
0:20:03 > 0:20:06Like, he could have been transporting it.
0:20:06 > 0:20:07He could have been delivering it.
0:20:07 > 0:20:10That's one thing I couldn't speculate on.
0:20:10 > 0:20:12Ultimately, he may have been a big crim,
0:20:12 > 0:20:14he may not have been a big crim.
0:20:14 > 0:20:16What's not in doubt is, on the day in question,
0:20:16 > 0:20:20he's being followed because they think he's going to get a weapon,
0:20:20 > 0:20:22and he does.
0:20:24 > 0:20:26In 2011, Mark's sister Kay
0:20:26 > 0:20:29discovered that he was associating with
0:20:29 > 0:20:33someone who had a serious criminal past involving guns.
0:20:33 > 0:20:35Mark called me up one day and he says,
0:20:35 > 0:20:38"I'm with one of your bredrens, you know?" And I said, "My friend?
0:20:38 > 0:20:40"Who's my friend that you're with?"
0:20:40 > 0:20:42I thought it was a girl.
0:20:42 > 0:20:44So, he said, "Kevin."
0:20:47 > 0:20:49There are some more photos coming round,
0:20:49 > 0:20:51these black-and-white ones,
0:20:51 > 0:20:54which is a guy called Kevin Hutchinson-Foster.
0:20:54 > 0:20:57Now, intelligence would suggest that he's got control of the firearms
0:20:57 > 0:21:00and from nine o'clock this evening, there may well be a plan
0:21:00 > 0:21:05for Duggan to somehow get those firearms from Hutchinson.
0:21:05 > 0:21:06Mr Foster.
0:21:07 > 0:21:10Kevin Hutchinson-Foster.
0:21:10 > 0:21:13I've known that name for a long time.
0:21:13 > 0:21:16He was a friend of my ex-partner.
0:21:16 > 0:21:20He is known for gang-associated things,
0:21:20 > 0:21:25so when Mark let me know that he was kind of associated with this guy,
0:21:25 > 0:21:27I was immediately telling Mark
0:21:27 > 0:21:29this man is notorious.
0:21:29 > 0:21:34He's already in firearms, drugs, that world.
0:21:34 > 0:21:36I don't know my little brother to be that...
0:21:36 > 0:21:39For him to be saying he's going to be friends with him,
0:21:39 > 0:21:41"You can't be his friend. You can't be.
0:21:41 > 0:21:44"That's a whole different world from where you are.
0:21:44 > 0:21:46"What's the connection?" "Football."
0:21:46 > 0:21:49I know Kevin plays football, so that IS a connection.
0:21:49 > 0:21:53I couldn't say it was a lie, because I couldn't see Mark being
0:21:53 > 0:21:55connected with this guy in any other way.
0:21:55 > 0:21:58Mark Duggan was not an angel.
0:21:58 > 0:21:59He had a criminal record.
0:21:59 > 0:22:03It's equally clear that he did not have a criminal record
0:22:03 > 0:22:04for very serious offences,
0:22:04 > 0:22:07or serious violent offences, most importantly,
0:22:07 > 0:22:09and, crucially, he did not have a record
0:22:09 > 0:22:12for being associated with or using firearms.
0:22:12 > 0:22:15Now, the same is not true of the person who supplied
0:22:15 > 0:22:19that weapon to him, and that man, Kevin Hutchinson-Foster,
0:22:19 > 0:22:22appears to belong in a somewhat different category.
0:22:22 > 0:22:24The intelligence at the moment is that Hutchinson
0:22:24 > 0:22:26has got control of at least one firearm,
0:22:26 > 0:22:28which he's going to pass to Mark Duggan,
0:22:28 > 0:22:31possibly at some point this evening.
0:22:31 > 0:22:32Boss, I'll hand back to you, then.
0:22:32 > 0:22:35I'll hand over to you for the method.
0:22:37 > 0:22:38Good afternoon.
0:22:38 > 0:22:41I'm the V59 operational firearms commander...
0:22:41 > 0:22:45As the police prepared to intercept him in possession of a gun
0:22:45 > 0:22:48later that evening, Mark Duggan was in Tottenham
0:22:48 > 0:22:51with his sister Paulette and partner Semone.
0:22:51 > 0:22:54The last time I saw Mark was the Wednesday.
0:22:54 > 0:22:56We was at Semone's house
0:22:56 > 0:23:00and it was a nice vibe that day, because the sun was out,
0:23:00 > 0:23:02we was in the garden, chilling.
0:23:02 > 0:23:05At first, the three of us were just sitting there drinking,
0:23:05 > 0:23:07and then I went home and changed and came back to Semone's
0:23:07 > 0:23:10because we were going to go to a barbecue.
0:23:10 > 0:23:12- It will be nice to have my brother with me.- I'll think about it.
0:23:12 > 0:23:16What do you mean? Every time, he's, like, "I'll think about it."
0:23:16 > 0:23:17'Semone went upstairs,
0:23:17 > 0:23:22'and then it was just me and Mark left downstairs for about an hour.'
0:23:22 > 0:23:24Me and him was, like, speaking about things like
0:23:24 > 0:23:27the relationship that I was in, things that were happening
0:23:27 > 0:23:29in his life,
0:23:29 > 0:23:32'and things that his baby-mothers were doing.
0:23:32 > 0:23:37'It was quite strange, because he was always aware that anything
0:23:37 > 0:23:39'that he said to me, I'd say it back to Semone.
0:23:39 > 0:23:41'So he wouldn't really go in depth.'
0:23:41 > 0:23:46So, that heart-to-heart we had, I found it... It was quite moving.
0:23:46 > 0:23:49- I'm going to tell her. - Listen to me, shut your mouth.
0:23:49 > 0:23:51Whatever. Whatever.
0:23:54 > 0:23:57Intelligence was coming in every... Regularly.
0:23:57 > 0:24:01At the time that I deployed the surveillance team,
0:24:01 > 0:24:05Mark Duggan looked like he may be the most likely,
0:24:05 > 0:24:08but there was intelligence that it may not happen tonight,
0:24:08 > 0:24:10but it still hadn't been confirmed.
0:24:10 > 0:24:12So, I sent a surveillance team,
0:24:12 > 0:24:15the directed surveillance, etc, was all in place,
0:24:15 > 0:24:19so rather than just have them sitting at the police station,
0:24:19 > 0:24:22I sent them to the address where Mark Duggan was.
0:24:26 > 0:24:29SHOTS FIRING IN GAME
0:24:31 > 0:24:32Hold on...
0:24:32 > 0:24:34Look, the guy's behind you.
0:24:34 > 0:24:37Look, see him there? Shoot him. Shoot him.
0:24:37 > 0:24:40- PHONE RINGS - Hold on. Pause it. Pause it.
0:24:40 > 0:24:42Yo.
0:24:42 > 0:24:45The last time I saw Mark was on the Wednesday,
0:24:45 > 0:24:47the day before he was shot.
0:24:47 > 0:24:50He'd come round, because I had a party coming up on the weekend
0:24:50 > 0:24:51and he wanted some tickets.
0:24:51 > 0:24:53But there was just something he mentioned,
0:24:53 > 0:24:56something about the police possibly following his car. His taxi.
0:24:56 > 0:25:01But that paranoia is acceptable in our culture,
0:25:01 > 0:25:03in our society, whatever, in our community, yeah?
0:25:03 > 0:25:05You don't even really pay no mind to it,
0:25:05 > 0:25:09because it's not unusual to be followed for no reason.
0:25:09 > 0:25:14Shout me in the morning. Shout me in the morning. Yeah?
0:25:32 > 0:25:34Bravo 22. We've got...
0:25:34 > 0:25:36jumping in a car.
0:25:36 > 0:25:38ENGINE STARTS
0:25:38 > 0:25:40PHONE RINGS
0:25:40 > 0:25:42Wagwan?
0:25:42 > 0:25:44- POLICE RADIO:- Recording.
0:25:44 > 0:25:46Responding...
0:25:47 > 0:25:49I'm on the roads now, man.
0:25:49 > 0:25:51- POLICE RADIO:- Their location...
0:25:53 > 0:25:56Bravo 22, we think he's heading towards the Farm.
0:25:56 > 0:25:58We've got a few cars in front of us.
0:25:58 > 0:26:03SED11, as you may have heard, are the Met surveillance department.
0:26:03 > 0:26:05They attempted to follow Mr Duggan on 3rd August,
0:26:05 > 0:26:08but they lost him. They lost sight of him.
0:26:08 > 0:26:10We're going to lose him.
0:26:10 > 0:26:11Agh!
0:26:11 > 0:26:13He's gone, guv.
0:26:15 > 0:26:16I received intelligence that Mark Duggan,
0:26:16 > 0:26:19at least at some stage on the 3rd,
0:26:19 > 0:26:21was not going to be involved in criminality.
0:26:21 > 0:26:25He was going to be involved in social activity that day.
0:26:25 > 0:26:29The intelligence, at the time I receive it, I would say is reliable,
0:26:29 > 0:26:32however, the people the intelligence is about aren't always as reliable
0:26:32 > 0:26:35as the intelligence, if you see what I mean.
0:26:40 > 0:26:42'He was just a normal gallis.
0:26:42 > 0:26:46'That's what we'd use for a guy that has more than one woman.
0:26:46 > 0:26:49'And he was a gallis.'
0:26:49 > 0:26:51You're being a good girl tonight, ain't ya?
0:26:51 > 0:26:54'At the time it happened, Shevea was two.'
0:26:54 > 0:26:56Come to bed.
0:26:56 > 0:27:00The night before Mark passed, he was with Shonel...
0:27:02 > 0:27:06..making the final arrangements for Shevea's christening,
0:27:06 > 0:27:09which was on the Sunday, that Mark never got to go to.
0:27:12 > 0:27:13Going for a sleep, yeah?
0:27:13 > 0:27:18'We planned to have her christened on 7th August, which was a Sunday.
0:27:18 > 0:27:22'We were having a service at St Francis de Sales Church,
0:27:22 > 0:27:24'and a little thing afterwards.'
0:27:24 > 0:27:28Yeah, it's night-night. Daddy loves you, OK?
0:27:30 > 0:27:33Having lost their target, the police stood down early.
0:27:33 > 0:27:36The intelligence was, the intelligence picture,
0:27:36 > 0:27:38if I'm remembering correctly,
0:27:38 > 0:27:42was that this was probably going to happen the following night
0:27:42 > 0:27:44at around about nine o'clock.
0:27:44 > 0:27:48Now believing that Mark Duggan would receive a gun the next day,
0:27:48 > 0:27:52the Trident, surveillance and firearms teams arrange to
0:27:52 > 0:27:55come back on shift at 6pm the following evening.
0:27:59 > 0:28:02I remember specifically, five past two, he left.
0:28:02 > 0:28:05The cab had come and it was five past two.
0:28:06 > 0:28:08He was fine.
0:28:08 > 0:28:11He was telling me he was going to come back the day it happened.
0:28:11 > 0:28:13He said he would see me later.
0:28:13 > 0:28:15Yes, boss. Shoreditch, please, yeah?
0:28:15 > 0:28:18I'm going to tell you where to go when we get there. Yeah?
0:28:31 > 0:28:35Mark spent his last night at the home of his new partner, Precious.
0:28:37 > 0:28:41I think the new love that he found was pushing him
0:28:41 > 0:28:43into directions to be a man.
0:28:43 > 0:28:46You know, you're a boy, you hang out on the street,
0:28:46 > 0:28:48you're not doing anything,
0:28:48 > 0:28:50you just play PlayStation.
0:28:50 > 0:28:51So, now you've met this woman that
0:28:51 > 0:28:53is in a nine-to-five job, going to work,
0:28:53 > 0:28:56living a good life, he needed to be more.
0:29:06 > 0:29:09RADIO ON
0:29:12 > 0:29:16After Mark passed, we discovered that Mark had been in a relationship
0:29:16 > 0:29:21with Precious for four months, and she was pregnant.
0:29:24 > 0:29:27I remember... I think she said that he was in a bit of a mood
0:29:27 > 0:29:29and she couldn't be dealing with him
0:29:29 > 0:29:32so she said, "I just went and got a bath."
0:29:33 > 0:29:36And he was getting ready to go.
0:29:40 > 0:29:43She said, "When I came out the bath, he was all right.
0:29:43 > 0:29:45"Normal."
0:29:45 > 0:29:47TV ON
0:29:47 > 0:29:49PHONE RINGS
0:29:53 > 0:29:54Yo.
0:29:54 > 0:29:56That's good.
0:29:58 > 0:30:01Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll come round soon.
0:30:01 > 0:30:03I'll call you when I'm outside, innit?
0:30:03 > 0:30:06I'll call you when I'm leaving.
0:30:08 > 0:30:10All right. In a bit.
0:30:10 > 0:30:14'He just asked to call a cab... and that was it.'
0:30:14 > 0:30:15Hoxton Cars, how can I help?
0:30:15 > 0:30:19Can I get a cab, please? Picking up from Micawber Court.
0:30:19 > 0:30:22Micawber Court? And where are you going to?
0:30:22 > 0:30:26- Vicarage Road. Leyton.- OK. Can I take your name, please?
0:30:26 > 0:30:30- Mark.- Mark. - Have you got this number, yeah?
0:30:30 > 0:30:33I have. He'll give you a call when he's outside. He's on his way.
0:30:33 > 0:30:35All right, thanks.
0:30:36 > 0:30:38PHONE RINGS
0:30:41 > 0:30:42Yeah?
0:30:42 > 0:30:45Their shift was due to start at 6pm,
0:30:45 > 0:30:48but at around 5.20, Trident's intelligence handler,
0:30:48 > 0:30:52who had come in early, received information that Mark Duggan
0:30:52 > 0:30:54would be collecting a firearm imminently.
0:30:58 > 0:31:01Guys, Duggan's on the move. I'd like to get eyes on him now.
0:31:01 > 0:31:04- At Leyton, Vicarage Road. - Yeah, I know it, Skip.- Go.
0:31:04 > 0:31:08'The team were still gauged for a 6pm start.'
0:31:08 > 0:31:10It's very unpredictable.
0:31:10 > 0:31:12Things change at the last minute,
0:31:12 > 0:31:15and we have to respond quite quickly, as in this case.
0:31:22 > 0:31:24PHONE RINGS
0:31:24 > 0:31:26Hello?
0:31:26 > 0:31:28Boss, Duggan's on the move.
0:31:28 > 0:31:29When?
0:31:29 > 0:31:31Wait for Firearms.
0:31:31 > 0:31:34While he waited for the firearms team,
0:31:34 > 0:31:38Trident's intelligence handler sent the unarmed surveillance officers
0:31:38 > 0:31:40he did have available on ahead.
0:31:40 > 0:31:45We need you eyes on Vicarage Road, Leyton, now.
0:31:48 > 0:31:50PHONE RINGS
0:31:51 > 0:31:52Hello.
0:31:52 > 0:31:54Yeah, we did.
0:31:54 > 0:31:57We will be down shortly, yeah? Thanks. Bye.
0:31:59 > 0:32:02- See you later, then.- See you later.
0:32:07 > 0:32:09Taxi, yeah?
0:32:11 > 0:32:14What's happening, boss man? Are you all right?
0:32:14 > 0:32:16- OK. Yeah. How are you doing? - It's hot.
0:32:21 > 0:32:24'He was mostly speaking on his mobile. He was normal.'
0:32:24 > 0:32:28As a normal person. Normal behaviour.
0:32:28 > 0:32:30LINE RINGING
0:32:30 > 0:32:32INDISTINCT CHATTER
0:32:32 > 0:32:35- PHONE RINGS - Hang on a sec.- Who is it?- Mark.
0:32:35 > 0:32:38I got the phone call from Mark to find out what I was cooking.
0:32:38 > 0:32:40- Hello.- Yo, Sem.
0:32:40 > 0:32:42You got my food?
0:32:42 > 0:32:44I don't want to hear nothing else. Food, food.
0:32:44 > 0:32:47That's all I'm calling you for right now, you know?
0:32:47 > 0:32:49She's like, "We didn't cook nothing."
0:32:49 > 0:32:51Then he was like, "Yes, you did."
0:32:51 > 0:32:53She said, "Yeah, we did, but it's for us."
0:32:53 > 0:32:56You're too greedy. Don't worry, you'll be fed.
0:32:56 > 0:32:59I said, "How long are you going to be?" He said, "I'm on my way."
0:32:59 > 0:33:01Mark saying "on my way"
0:33:01 > 0:33:02is just...you know...
0:33:02 > 0:33:05He's never on time for anything.
0:33:05 > 0:33:07'So when he said "on his way", I said OK.'
0:33:07 > 0:33:09OK, bye.
0:33:11 > 0:33:14With the firearms officers now arriving,
0:33:14 > 0:33:17Trident's intelligence handler asked a firearms leader
0:33:17 > 0:33:20to brief his team and get on the road as quickly as possible.
0:33:20 > 0:33:23We've got three unarmed officers on the ground.
0:33:23 > 0:33:25We need CO19 to take over.
0:33:25 > 0:33:28The objective now was to stop and arrest Duggan
0:33:28 > 0:33:31in possession of the gun.
0:33:31 > 0:33:33I made sure, I spoke to Victor 59,
0:33:33 > 0:33:35made sure he was updated with intelligence,
0:33:35 > 0:33:37made sure he gave his staff
0:33:37 > 0:33:40the warnings that I'd given in the briefing the day before,
0:33:40 > 0:33:43just to make sure they were aware of the firearms warnings.
0:33:43 > 0:33:45Obviously, they're getting their equipment on,
0:33:45 > 0:33:48so they were in the yard, so I left them to get ready.
0:33:48 > 0:33:51Listen in, guys. A firearm is to be fired only as a last resort.
0:33:51 > 0:33:54Other methods must have been tried and failed...
0:33:54 > 0:33:57The previous night, it was the SCD11 surveillance team,
0:33:57 > 0:34:00who, as mentioned in the briefing,
0:34:00 > 0:34:01are armed for their own protection,
0:34:01 > 0:34:04therefore they can respond to any threat posed to them.
0:34:04 > 0:34:06On the 4th, it was unarmed officers.
0:34:06 > 0:34:09I was concerned at this stage that they were trying to gain
0:34:09 > 0:34:13surveillance control of a male who was attempting to source a firearm,
0:34:13 > 0:34:16and I felt that we needed to be closer to them
0:34:16 > 0:34:18to respond to any threat to them.
0:34:24 > 0:34:27The firearms team now had to play catch-up to get six miles
0:34:27 > 0:34:30across London to Vicarage Road in Leyton.
0:34:30 > 0:34:33If the secret intelligence was correct,
0:34:33 > 0:34:38the unarmed surveillance officers would soon be facing an armed man.
0:34:38 > 0:34:40PHONE RINGS
0:34:42 > 0:34:43Yo.
0:34:43 > 0:34:45Yeah, I'm on my way to you now.
0:34:45 > 0:34:51Before the shooting, the police, through their agencies,
0:34:51 > 0:34:53thought they knew
0:34:53 > 0:34:56who was going to supply the gun.
0:34:56 > 0:35:00Kevin Hutchinson-Foster.
0:35:00 > 0:35:02I am on your road now, yeah?
0:35:02 > 0:35:05Do you want me to wait?
0:35:05 > 0:35:08Now, Kevin Hutchinson-Foster was not unknown to the law.
0:35:08 > 0:35:11He'd been in prison.
0:35:11 > 0:35:14Hey, boss man, just pull up here on the left.
0:35:14 > 0:35:17- In between... Just behind that...- Over here?
0:35:17 > 0:35:19- Yeah, just here on the left.- OK.
0:35:19 > 0:35:22The gun that was eventually transferred was a gun
0:35:22 > 0:35:25that he himself had used previously.
0:35:26 > 0:35:31A week before Duggan's death, Kevin Hutchinson-Foster had used it
0:35:31 > 0:35:34to beat a man very badly about the head
0:35:34 > 0:35:37in an argument over a woman in a hairdressing salon.
0:35:37 > 0:35:41Now, he was caught on CCTV carrying out this assault.
0:35:41 > 0:35:43He was somebody involved in armed crime,
0:35:43 > 0:35:45somebody who had access to weapons,
0:35:45 > 0:35:48somebody who was, therefore, you would think,
0:35:48 > 0:35:50of a special interest to Operation Trident,
0:35:50 > 0:35:53the Metropolitan Police unit that deals with gun crime,
0:35:53 > 0:35:57and yet, he seems to have been this man of mystery.
0:35:57 > 0:36:00- What's going on?- Cool, yeah?
0:36:00 > 0:36:04They know he's got previous firearm charges,
0:36:04 > 0:36:06been arrested for firearms offences,
0:36:06 > 0:36:09and they know that he has got three handguns
0:36:09 > 0:36:12and looking to put these three guns onto the streets.
0:36:12 > 0:36:15Now, I would have thought common sense should dictate,
0:36:15 > 0:36:18Mark's only going for one and he's transporting it,
0:36:18 > 0:36:21this guy has got three, that the focus of the operation
0:36:21 > 0:36:26should have changed to the major player.
0:36:28 > 0:36:30You have to ask, why was nobody joining these dots?
0:36:30 > 0:36:32Why was Kevin Hutchinson-Foster
0:36:32 > 0:36:35not the principal target of a police operation?
0:36:35 > 0:36:38My intelligence says that Mark Duggan is going to pick it up.
0:36:38 > 0:36:41Let's follow Mark Duggan to where he's going to pick it up.
0:36:41 > 0:36:45Why would I want to go and follow Kevin Hutchinson-Foster?
0:36:45 > 0:36:47Were we to follow Hutchinson-Foster,
0:36:47 > 0:36:49we would be following him blind, if you like.
0:36:49 > 0:36:52We wouldn't know what it was he was doing.
0:36:52 > 0:36:55I wasn't receiving any intelligence about Kevin Hutchinson-Foster,
0:36:55 > 0:36:58other than that that I received about Mark Duggan.
0:36:59 > 0:37:02By the time Mark Duggan arrived in Vicarage Road,
0:37:02 > 0:37:05three undercover police units were in place.
0:37:05 > 0:37:08But what happened next is disputed.
0:37:08 > 0:37:12- Vicarage Road, Skip. Still no sign of him.- OVER RADIO:- OK.
0:37:12 > 0:37:16There are two contradictory versions.
0:37:17 > 0:37:19Well, it's a busy thoroughfare.
0:37:19 > 0:37:22Numerous cars were going past me as I was sitting there.
0:37:22 > 0:37:23At the time I saw it,
0:37:23 > 0:37:25yeah, I must've been sitting there
0:37:25 > 0:37:29for about 20 minutes or so, and I saw the minicab go past.
0:37:29 > 0:37:32He was the only minicab that went past me, and I know it was
0:37:32 > 0:37:34the only minicab that went past me, because nowadays
0:37:34 > 0:37:37even black taxis have got a sticker in the rear window,
0:37:37 > 0:37:40and that was the only cab that I saw that day.
0:37:40 > 0:37:44Skip, I've got him. Duggan's in a cab, Vicarage Road.
0:37:44 > 0:37:46Registration Romeo 3-4-3...
0:37:46 > 0:37:49Only one of the undercover surveillance officers could
0:37:49 > 0:37:50have seen the handover,
0:37:50 > 0:37:55and he said that the taxi turned a corner and went out of sight.
0:37:55 > 0:37:57Well, it was in a line of traffic.
0:37:57 > 0:38:01It drove past me, he got to Burchell Road,
0:38:01 > 0:38:04turned left out of my sight,
0:38:04 > 0:38:06and reappeared approximately five minutes later.
0:38:07 > 0:38:10The taxi driver disputed this.
0:38:16 > 0:38:22I was on Vicarage Road, the corner of Vicarage and Burchell Road.
0:38:23 > 0:38:27And I was parked in such that the traffic could pass by.
0:38:29 > 0:38:31A person came to the car
0:38:31 > 0:38:33then greeted him with, like, "hello"
0:38:33 > 0:38:35or "salam alaikum",
0:38:35 > 0:38:38and then was with him for about five minutes
0:38:38 > 0:38:40and gave him a box.
0:38:40 > 0:38:44And I don't think he was with him for more than about five minutes.
0:38:46 > 0:38:49In evidence, the taxi's GPS system was examined and showed
0:38:49 > 0:38:53the vehicle stayed on Vicarage Road.
0:38:53 > 0:38:58I'd rather believe the independent witness and the GPS system,
0:38:58 > 0:39:01so if the minicab didn't turn into Burchell Road,
0:39:01 > 0:39:05those Trident officers in situ should have seen the handover,
0:39:05 > 0:39:08and they should have at least got the other guy,
0:39:08 > 0:39:11especially if they knew the other guy had another couple of guns.
0:39:13 > 0:39:14Boss man, Tottenham.
0:39:14 > 0:39:16We're asking,
0:39:16 > 0:39:19what's the relationship between Operation Trident,
0:39:19 > 0:39:22not CO19 officers who shot and killed Mark,
0:39:22 > 0:39:27but Operation Trident and the person who supplied him with the firearm?
0:39:27 > 0:39:29Skip, he's on the move.
0:39:29 > 0:39:32- We all need to get behind him now. - We're on him.
0:39:35 > 0:39:38The police say that they didn't see the handover,
0:39:38 > 0:39:41but somehow they knew that when he left Vicarage Road,
0:39:41 > 0:39:43Mark Duggan had a gun.
0:39:43 > 0:39:46How they knew this has never been revealed.
0:39:46 > 0:39:49I have been clear from the outset
0:39:49 > 0:39:52that there are some aspects of this investigation
0:39:52 > 0:39:54which we are not able to put into the public domain,
0:39:54 > 0:39:56but it has been very important to me
0:39:56 > 0:39:59that I have had access to all the relevant intelligence,
0:39:59 > 0:40:03and what I'm able to say is that we are certain
0:40:03 > 0:40:06that when Mark Duggan arrived at the scene at Ferry Lane,
0:40:06 > 0:40:09he arrived in possession of the firearm,
0:40:09 > 0:40:13the non-police-issue firearm that was found at the scene.
0:40:13 > 0:40:15He collected that firearm en route,
0:40:15 > 0:40:18and although no police officers saw the exchange,
0:40:18 > 0:40:20saw him being given it,
0:40:20 > 0:40:24the taxi driver who was driving Mark Duggan saw him receive
0:40:24 > 0:40:28the shoebox in which we believe the gun was placed.
0:40:29 > 0:40:32Whether they found out through phone taps or informants,
0:40:32 > 0:40:34when Duggan left Vicarage Road,
0:40:34 > 0:40:37the police now considered him armed and dangerous.
0:40:37 > 0:40:40SIRENS WAIL
0:40:40 > 0:40:45Around about six o'clock, I asked Zulu Zulu 17 if he could confirm
0:40:45 > 0:40:48whether he believed Mark Duggan was in possession of a firearm,
0:40:48 > 0:40:50and that he was in that vehicle,
0:40:50 > 0:40:52and he confirmed that,
0:40:52 > 0:40:54and I went to Amber.
0:40:54 > 0:40:56All units, we are now Code Amber. Repeat, Code Amber.
0:40:56 > 0:40:59Basically, going to Amber means that
0:40:59 > 0:41:02I have authorised the interception of that vehicle,
0:41:02 > 0:41:05under the direction of the operational firearms commander,
0:41:05 > 0:41:08at the safest possible opportunity they can do it.
0:41:08 > 0:41:10- Command team, go.- We're on.
0:41:10 > 0:41:13SIRENS WAIL
0:41:16 > 0:41:19Keeping the minicab in sight, three cars ahead.
0:41:19 > 0:41:22- OVER RADIO:- Keep eyes on. Firearms are still en route.
0:41:22 > 0:41:25With the unarmed surveillance officers keeping Duggan in sight,
0:41:25 > 0:41:29it was now the job of the firearms team to catch up and stop him.
0:41:36 > 0:41:39Hey, boss man, what, you selling this, yeah?
0:41:39 > 0:41:45His mood was quite all right, and he asked me about selling my car,
0:41:45 > 0:41:48because I had advertised the car.
0:41:48 > 0:41:52He asked me about information regarding buying the car.
0:41:52 > 0:41:54How about I give you just over half, yeah?
0:41:54 > 0:41:56Hmm. We're getting closer.
0:41:56 > 0:41:58THEY LAUGH
0:41:58 > 0:42:00SIREN WAILS
0:42:03 > 0:42:06It's never been established exactly when it happened,
0:42:06 > 0:42:10but it IS known that Mark Duggan spotted at least
0:42:10 > 0:42:13one of the Trident undercover surveillance vehicles.
0:42:13 > 0:42:19Mark sent a text to lots of his friends via a BB on BlackBerry,
0:42:19 > 0:42:23telling them that Trident had tried to jam him.
0:42:23 > 0:42:27He didn't say the police, he didn't say the feds, he said Trident,
0:42:27 > 0:42:31and in the black community, Trident are known as the gun police.
0:42:31 > 0:42:36He has sent the text, he's looking for the car, doesn't see it,
0:42:36 > 0:42:41but doesn't know that Trident have now called in the heavy mob.
0:42:46 > 0:42:50Actually, there was a good five minutes before Red was called
0:42:50 > 0:42:53that we had our eyes on the minicab, because it was caught
0:42:53 > 0:42:55in very heavy traffic,
0:42:55 > 0:42:57so I can remember the firearms officers were able
0:42:57 > 0:42:59to identify exactly where it was,
0:42:59 > 0:43:04because the surveillance officer's commentary on the radio
0:43:04 > 0:43:07was excellent, and she was able to say
0:43:07 > 0:43:09it's behind this particular vehicle,
0:43:09 > 0:43:13three in front of my vehicle. We had time to sit behind it.
0:43:16 > 0:43:18Yo.
0:43:19 > 0:43:21Yes, but listen...
0:43:21 > 0:43:24Anyway, I'm coming to the Farm now, innit, so...
0:43:24 > 0:43:27You're going up against criminals who have access to firearms.
0:43:27 > 0:43:30Obviously, we're trained to use firearms,
0:43:30 > 0:43:33but there's definitely a bit of apprehension, nervousness,
0:43:33 > 0:43:36because you want to perform at the best of your ability.
0:43:36 > 0:43:40At this stage, we had our blue lights and sirens turned off.
0:43:40 > 0:43:42However, at that stage,
0:43:42 > 0:43:45we could have overtaken that queue of traffic and implemented the stop.
0:43:45 > 0:43:48However, that would have been wholly inappropriate and dangerous.
0:43:48 > 0:43:51Therefore, we waited for the lights to change,
0:43:51 > 0:43:54vehicles peeled off left and right at the next set of lights,
0:43:54 > 0:43:56and we then found ourselves in Forest Road,
0:43:56 > 0:43:59and were able to move through the traffic to the Ferry Lane area,
0:43:59 > 0:44:02which was the first safe place to stop the vehicle.
0:44:05 > 0:44:08When we stop people, they have three options.
0:44:08 > 0:44:11They can either comply, as I've explained, yes, hands up,
0:44:11 > 0:44:12"Fair cop, guv," I suppose.
0:44:12 > 0:44:15They can either escape, attempt an escape,
0:44:15 > 0:44:19or they can fight their way out. So, once we put the stop in,
0:44:19 > 0:44:22Mr Duggan still had those three options in place.
0:44:22 > 0:44:25I was conscious of one woman on a pedal cycle,
0:44:25 > 0:44:27who was coming up behind the minicab.
0:44:27 > 0:44:29As the stop went in, I looked round, just to check that she
0:44:29 > 0:44:32was not going to continue into the area
0:44:32 > 0:44:33where the stop was happening.
0:44:33 > 0:44:35ENGINES REV
0:44:35 > 0:44:36Stop!
0:44:40 > 0:44:43At the point where I was alongside the minicab,
0:44:43 > 0:44:46somebody in my vehicle said something along the lines of,
0:44:46 > 0:44:48"I think he's going to leg it."
0:44:48 > 0:44:50TYRES SCREECH
0:44:50 > 0:44:52SHOUTING
0:44:59 > 0:45:01He's reaching! He's reaching!
0:45:01 > 0:45:03TWO GUNSHOTS
0:45:11 > 0:45:13At this point,
0:45:13 > 0:45:14I've heard two gunshots,
0:45:14 > 0:45:18and then, from the rear of his jacket, a load of feathers appear.
0:45:19 > 0:45:23They were in the air behind him, and all around him, really.
0:45:23 > 0:45:27There was quite a number of... Quite a large
0:45:27 > 0:45:30plume of feathers.
0:45:32 > 0:45:35SHOUTING
0:45:35 > 0:45:38'I kind of know what a gun sounds like.
0:45:38 > 0:45:41'I've never handled one myself, but I know what a gun sounds like.'
0:45:41 > 0:45:44I just remember thinking, like, "That gun sounds scary."
0:45:44 > 0:45:46It just sounded, like, expensive. Do you know what I mean?
0:45:46 > 0:45:51All of a sudden, I heard two shots, or two loud bangs. Bang-bang.
0:45:51 > 0:45:53I'm thinking it's my phone.
0:45:53 > 0:45:56And one of my roommates running, coming to me, saying,
0:45:56 > 0:45:59"Yo! There's shooting outside. Someone got shot."
0:45:59 > 0:46:02SIREN WAILS
0:46:04 > 0:46:07Although footage of the area where the shooting happened was
0:46:07 > 0:46:11captured by passing buses, there was no CCTV of the actual moment,
0:46:11 > 0:46:16and no mobile phone footage of the shooting has ever been found.
0:46:17 > 0:46:20One of the challenges of this case from the outset
0:46:20 > 0:46:22has been the lack of independent witnesses
0:46:22 > 0:46:25and the lack of recordings of the event,
0:46:25 > 0:46:27and for anyone who lives and works in London,
0:46:27 > 0:46:29the idea that something major could
0:46:29 > 0:46:31happen in a place like Tottenham and it wasn't captured on camera,
0:46:31 > 0:46:34by either individuals with their phones or by CCTV,
0:46:34 > 0:46:38seems really hard to believe, and it was equally hard for me
0:46:38 > 0:46:41to get my head round that, as it has been for everybody else.
0:46:41 > 0:46:44The incident was not captured by the data recorders
0:46:44 > 0:46:46fitted to the police vehicles,
0:46:46 > 0:46:49so the only direct accounts of the shooting itself are those of
0:46:49 > 0:46:54the police officers, the taxi driver and one independent witness.
0:46:54 > 0:46:57GUNSHOTS
0:47:03 > 0:47:05Yes, he's jumped out at pace and,
0:47:05 > 0:47:08initially, he's facing towards Whisky 42,
0:47:08 > 0:47:11and then, at that time, I'm getting out of my vehicle,
0:47:11 > 0:47:15and I take a couple of steps towards, and I've got my MP5
0:47:15 > 0:47:17in the off-aim ready position.
0:47:17 > 0:47:20When he's moved towards the back of the rear of the minicab
0:47:20 > 0:47:22and he's turned towards my colleagues,
0:47:22 > 0:47:26because of not being able to see the right hand inside the jacket,
0:47:26 > 0:47:29I've now got tunnel vision, if you want to call it,
0:47:29 > 0:47:31towards his body now, excluding everything else,
0:47:31 > 0:47:34concentrating solely on the shape of Mr Duggan in front of me.
0:47:34 > 0:47:38The only way I can describe it is like a freeze-frame moment,
0:47:38 > 0:47:42you know? It's like you've got Sky+ or a video recorder,
0:47:42 > 0:47:44it's where you start pausing things,
0:47:44 > 0:47:46and in my head, the world has stopped
0:47:46 > 0:47:49because as he's turned to face me,
0:47:49 > 0:47:51while I had lovely peripheral vision,
0:47:51 > 0:47:55my focus turned immediately to what was in his hand.
0:47:56 > 0:47:59As the subject set off in a sort of half-run towards me,
0:47:59 > 0:48:03I saw him very quickly pull his right hand up and out of his jacket.
0:48:03 > 0:48:08I can see the hand under the weapon, I can make out the trigger guard,
0:48:08 > 0:48:11I can make out the barrel, and it's side on to his body,
0:48:11 > 0:48:14and there's a black sock covering that weapon.
0:48:14 > 0:48:17As he's drawn the gun, my threat assessment was
0:48:17 > 0:48:20that it was an imminent threat to life,
0:48:20 > 0:48:22because he was drawing that weapon in order to fire it at us.
0:48:22 > 0:48:26If Mr Duggan had left the gun like this, I would have hoped he
0:48:26 > 0:48:28would have dropped it, but because he's moved it
0:48:28 > 0:48:30away from his body,
0:48:30 > 0:48:33I now have an honest-held belief he's going to shoot me.
0:48:35 > 0:48:39What I have then seen is his elbow, his right elbow, move out slightly.
0:48:39 > 0:48:42It was minimal, yes, a few inches would probably be correct,
0:48:42 > 0:48:44but it was enough to make me shout what I did next.
0:48:44 > 0:48:46He's reaching! He's reaching!
0:48:50 > 0:48:52Shots fired! Shots fired!
0:48:54 > 0:48:57- Where's the gun?- His gun?- Where's the gun?- Where's the gun?
0:48:58 > 0:49:01I keep running the moment through my head day in, day out,
0:49:01 > 0:49:03and Mark Duggan had a gun.
0:49:03 > 0:49:05He presented a threat to me,
0:49:05 > 0:49:09and the only option I had was to defend myself and to open fire.
0:49:09 > 0:49:12SHOUTING
0:49:12 > 0:49:13Where's the gun?
0:49:13 > 0:49:16I started shouting, "Where's the gun?" He was totally unresponsive
0:49:16 > 0:49:20and limp, but I was convinced I'd find the gun on him or under him.
0:49:20 > 0:49:22It's not here. Look that way.
0:49:22 > 0:49:26I think it, obviously appreciating that
0:49:26 > 0:49:27I only saw it for a split second,
0:49:27 > 0:49:31in the manner in which it was drawn, and I don't see any details of it,
0:49:31 > 0:49:34just that it was a gun-shaped object, effectively.
0:49:34 > 0:49:37Keep your hands exactly where they are.
0:49:37 > 0:49:39SIREN WAILS
0:49:39 > 0:49:41I wasn't aware that I was the only person,
0:49:41 > 0:49:44other than Victor 53, to see the gun.
0:49:44 > 0:49:49In his initial statement, Whisky 70 made no mention of the gun.
0:49:50 > 0:49:52It was very apparent within...
0:49:52 > 0:49:55within a minute at most what had happened,
0:49:55 > 0:49:58in that Victor 53 had shot Mr Duggan,
0:49:58 > 0:50:01and the round had continued straight through and hit Whisky 42.
0:50:01 > 0:50:03GUNSHOTS
0:50:03 > 0:50:06It's something that I'll never forget, to be honest,
0:50:06 > 0:50:09because he's a mate of mine, and I went over to him and, again,
0:50:09 > 0:50:12the only way I can describe this is, his knees started to go.
0:50:12 > 0:50:14I sort of called it an Elvis,
0:50:14 > 0:50:16because his knees started to buckle under him.
0:50:16 > 0:50:18His face was initially red,
0:50:18 > 0:50:21but you could see the white just go down his face,
0:50:21 > 0:50:24so I grabbed him and I put him down against the fence line,
0:50:24 > 0:50:29telling him, "Man up," and a bit of cop humour, to be honest with you,
0:50:29 > 0:50:31as I'm cutting his clothes off,
0:50:31 > 0:50:33because I'm looking for a bullet wound now.
0:50:33 > 0:50:36Touch wood, the round was in his radio,
0:50:36 > 0:50:39and there was no obvious penetration in him.
0:50:39 > 0:50:43I've satisfied myself that Whisky 42 has no life-threatening injuries,
0:50:43 > 0:50:46so I've dealt with Whisky 42
0:50:46 > 0:50:47for around two minutes.
0:50:47 > 0:50:49I've then gone back to Mark Duggan,
0:50:49 > 0:50:52who's the casualty now, and he needs attention.
0:50:52 > 0:50:54SIREN WAILS
0:50:58 > 0:51:01Only one independent eyewitness to the actual shooting
0:51:01 > 0:51:03ever came forward.
0:51:03 > 0:51:05He lived in a block of flats directly opposite
0:51:05 > 0:51:07to where the incident happened.
0:51:08 > 0:51:11I heard tyres screeching, a couple of tyres screeching,
0:51:11 > 0:51:14and then I heard shouting as well.
0:51:14 > 0:51:17The shouting was either "put it down" or "get down".
0:51:17 > 0:51:19Is it was one of those two.
0:51:19 > 0:51:23I just started looking... Well, viewing what was going on.
0:51:23 > 0:51:26I went to the window, stuck, like, half my body
0:51:26 > 0:51:30out the window and then I started seeing everything, really.
0:51:30 > 0:51:31He had a...
0:51:31 > 0:51:34Well, it looked like a phone clutched in his hands.
0:51:34 > 0:51:37I've said that from day one, and I will always say that.
0:51:37 > 0:51:39It did look like a phone,
0:51:39 > 0:51:41and he had his hands up, like that.
0:51:41 > 0:51:43Above his shoulders.
0:51:43 > 0:51:46Right near the face, like, you know...
0:51:46 > 0:51:48The moment he got shot,
0:51:48 > 0:51:53that's when I went inside and got my phone and started recording.
0:51:53 > 0:51:57It was only about two seconds, three seconds at most,
0:51:57 > 0:52:00getting the phone.
0:52:00 > 0:52:04His body language was a bit like, "What's going on?
0:52:04 > 0:52:05"Really?"
0:52:05 > 0:52:07With his hands up, you know?
0:52:07 > 0:52:11Independent experts were asked to investigate whether
0:52:11 > 0:52:15Mark Duggan could have had his hands up when he was shot.
0:52:18 > 0:52:22I'm a pathologist, so I examine the dead body, document the injuries,
0:52:22 > 0:52:25but I also look at the scene of the death,
0:52:25 > 0:52:27and the order of the shots matters
0:52:27 > 0:52:29if you want to reconstruct the events,
0:52:29 > 0:52:32because the body positions are very different
0:52:32 > 0:52:33for the two shots.
0:52:33 > 0:52:38Now, there is good evidence that the first shot was the shot that
0:52:38 > 0:52:43struck the arm and the side of the chest, but didn't enter the chest.
0:52:43 > 0:52:47For the bullet to pass in here and out here,
0:52:47 > 0:52:50and to strike the side of the chest,
0:52:50 > 0:52:51the arm has to be turned.
0:52:51 > 0:52:54Now, that gunshot tore the fibres
0:52:54 > 0:52:57for quite a distance up the muscle,
0:52:57 > 0:53:00and that's a good indicator that the muscle was contracted
0:53:00 > 0:53:06at the time, and the muscle is contracted when you bend your elbow.
0:53:06 > 0:53:09And we have a police statement from two police witnesses that
0:53:09 > 0:53:12Mark Duggan's right hand was across his waistband.
0:53:12 > 0:53:14So we can corroborate that.
0:53:17 > 0:53:21The bullet that went into the chest went through the clothing,
0:53:21 > 0:53:27and, unusually, it went in on the inside of the left-front corner,
0:53:27 > 0:53:31out on the outer side and then into the chest,
0:53:31 > 0:53:36so the garment had to be twisted up to the right and inside out.
0:53:36 > 0:53:42So, we have an imagery now of Mark Duggan being shot in the arm,
0:53:42 > 0:53:46at the same time, his left hand was in his pocket,
0:53:46 > 0:53:51his right hand along the waistband, and he reacts to that by...
0:53:53 > 0:53:56..going forwards and raising his left arm.
0:53:59 > 0:54:03It's not possible that he was in a position of surrendering,
0:54:03 > 0:54:07with both hands raised at the time of the first shot,
0:54:07 > 0:54:11because we know his right arm had to be down by his body
0:54:11 > 0:54:13and bent at the elbow.
0:54:13 > 0:54:16Armed police! Get out of the car!
0:54:16 > 0:54:20They dragged me out of my car,
0:54:20 > 0:54:22and they treat me like some kind of criminal.
0:54:22 > 0:54:24Get out of the car.
0:54:24 > 0:54:26'They dragged me with a very rough attitude,
0:54:26 > 0:54:31'and then they laid me on the floor and handcuffed me at the back.'
0:54:31 > 0:54:33- Keep them- BLEEP- there.
0:54:33 > 0:54:38They ordered me. They ordered me not to look at...towards Mr Duggan.
0:54:38 > 0:54:40Not to look at the victim and to look away.
0:54:40 > 0:54:43It was quite a dangerous situation.
0:54:43 > 0:54:45There was blood on his clothes,
0:54:45 > 0:54:50and quite a few people were holding on to him, and his mouth was open.
0:54:52 > 0:54:55- Don't you- BLEEP- look, or I will- BLEEP- shoot you.
0:54:55 > 0:54:57Stop looking!
0:54:57 > 0:55:00Yes, the one that was standing by my head said...
0:55:00 > 0:55:03next to me, he had told me that he would shoot me.
0:55:03 > 0:55:06He had a gun in his hand.
0:55:06 > 0:55:09To me, it looked like these people had come out to hunt someone.
0:55:09 > 0:55:12That's what it looked like to me.
0:55:12 > 0:55:15One, two, three, four. One, two, three, four.
0:55:15 > 0:55:17SIREN WAILS
0:55:19 > 0:55:22I always carried around this pretty good compact camera
0:55:22 > 0:55:25on the off-chance that, one day,
0:55:25 > 0:55:27something might happen right in front of my eyes,
0:55:27 > 0:55:29and I can just dig down there and get it,
0:55:29 > 0:55:31so I decided at that point, right,
0:55:31 > 0:55:35let's go and take some photographs of whatever it is going on.
0:55:36 > 0:55:41I was there, just filming what was going on,
0:55:41 > 0:55:43still trying to find out what happened.
0:55:43 > 0:55:45"Did anyone see exactly what happened?"
0:55:45 > 0:55:48"I didn't see it." This one saw it, that one didn't.
0:55:48 > 0:55:51But everyone was, like, fixed on what was going on.
0:55:51 > 0:55:54I remember seeing a group of officers as well trying
0:55:54 > 0:55:57to resuscitate Mark Duggan.
0:55:57 > 0:55:59But at that time, I never knew it was him, that's the thing.
0:55:59 > 0:56:01At the time, I didn't know it was Mark,
0:56:01 > 0:56:03nobody knew, do you know what I mean?
0:56:03 > 0:56:06So, from that distance, I guess he's fair enough
0:56:06 > 0:56:09where you might think he's a white dude, do you know what I mean?
0:56:09 > 0:56:12And that's kind of generally where that came from.
0:56:12 > 0:56:14People that were there were thinking, "Oh, some white dude.
0:56:14 > 0:56:17"Might be an Albanian gangster. They've shot someone."
0:56:17 > 0:56:19"Oh, at least it's not a black guy this time, innit?"
0:56:19 > 0:56:22Do you know what I mean? It was that kind of thing.
0:56:23 > 0:56:28The feeling that I had in viewing that scene
0:56:28 > 0:56:31as I shot those pictures
0:56:31 > 0:56:34was one of chaos.
0:56:36 > 0:56:41I could see the way the policemen were looking at each other,
0:56:41 > 0:56:43the way that they were talking to each other,
0:56:43 > 0:56:46some of the body language that they gave off...
0:56:46 > 0:56:49Can you start moving away, please, yeah?
0:56:49 > 0:56:54The way that sometimes a police officer would start walking
0:56:54 > 0:56:57one way but then flip around and walk the other way,
0:56:57 > 0:57:01as if he didn't quite know whether he should do that or not.
0:57:02 > 0:57:04Where's the gun? Where's the gun?!
0:57:06 > 0:57:07After the shooting,
0:57:07 > 0:57:11a gun was found on the green next to where the minicab was stopped.
0:57:11 > 0:57:17Details of exactly where or when it was found were not recorded.
0:57:17 > 0:57:20It took too long for that gun to be found.
0:57:20 > 0:57:25No-one can tell me that 11 police officers can face an armed man,
0:57:25 > 0:57:27that man gets shot,
0:57:27 > 0:57:29and that gun not be found in a nanosecond,
0:57:29 > 0:57:33because all 11 officers are trained to keep their eye
0:57:33 > 0:57:36and keep that focus on that gun.
0:57:37 > 0:57:41The biggest issue has been, how did that gun get there?
0:57:41 > 0:57:45How did a gun get 14 feet over a fence,
0:57:45 > 0:57:50and even more, and nobody saw how it got there,
0:57:50 > 0:57:54and that has been the great mystery of this investigation.
0:57:54 > 0:57:58There was also no agreement about who found the gun.
0:57:58 > 0:58:02At the inquest, two officers each claim to have found it
0:58:02 > 0:58:05independently of one another.
0:58:05 > 0:58:08I turned to Romeo 31 who, at this stage, wasn't undertaking any
0:58:08 > 0:58:12first aid or any other task and asked him to look for the firearm.
0:58:12 > 0:58:15Once I've started working my way along the bushes,
0:58:15 > 0:58:17occasionally, I think, lifting some up,
0:58:17 > 0:58:19some of them a little bigger than others,
0:58:19 > 0:58:22so I have a look behind them, then as I'm walking down,
0:58:22 > 0:58:25I get to roughly where the wall is,
0:58:25 > 0:58:28that's when I see out of the corner of my eye
0:58:28 > 0:58:30something black lying in the grass.
0:58:33 > 0:58:37Well, at some stage, I'm not sure exactly how long after it,
0:58:37 > 0:58:39I was on the phone to the SIO
0:58:39 > 0:58:42and I could hear one of the firearms officers
0:58:42 > 0:58:44saying that they hadn't located the firearm,
0:58:44 > 0:58:46and I remember thinking,
0:58:46 > 0:58:49"I wonder if anyone's looked to the left of the wall where it happened."
0:58:49 > 0:58:52And I just took a couple of steps down to the left,
0:58:52 > 0:58:54there's a little alleyway there,
0:58:54 > 0:58:57and the gun was just on the ground, on the grass.
0:58:57 > 0:58:59Right there.
0:58:59 > 0:59:01There is a problem with that.
0:59:01 > 0:59:06None of the trained police officers see
0:59:06 > 0:59:11a gun flying through the air on a sunny day
0:59:11 > 0:59:13with crystal-clear vision.
0:59:13 > 0:59:17It's just not seen. Can they REALLY have missed it?
0:59:17 > 0:59:21I'm sure it would clear up a hell of a lot of stuff if I was able to say,
0:59:21 > 0:59:24yes, I saw the gun fly through the air and it landed wherever.
0:59:24 > 0:59:26But I didn't see it.
0:59:26 > 0:59:28There was nothing obstructing my way,
0:59:28 > 0:59:31but I didn't clearly see what happened to that gun.
0:59:31 > 0:59:34No. I don't see anything go over the fence.
0:59:34 > 0:59:36The medical evidence,
0:59:36 > 0:59:39in terms of his wounds and his body position when he was shot,
0:59:39 > 0:59:41would give an idea about the possibility
0:59:41 > 0:59:44of him throwing the weapon.
0:59:44 > 0:59:48The two police officers say there is a gun in Mark Duggan's hand.
0:59:50 > 0:59:52But the gun ends up some distance away,
0:59:52 > 0:59:54over five-foot railings.
0:59:55 > 0:59:58Mark Duggan is facing the two police officers,
0:59:58 > 1:00:03they are watching his right hand because they are looking for a gun.
1:00:03 > 1:00:08And he ends up in a position, twisted, bent,
1:00:08 > 1:00:13and now, he would have to throw the gun in that direction.
1:00:13 > 1:00:16He would need to do it with a wounded arm
1:00:16 > 1:00:18in which, because of the damage to the muscle,
1:00:18 > 1:00:20he couldn't put his palm upright,
1:00:20 > 1:00:23so he would have to throw it palm-down.
1:00:23 > 1:00:27For me, it's inconceivable that, if he did achieve that,
1:00:27 > 1:00:30it was done without the two police officers seeing it.
1:00:30 > 1:00:33That leaves us with two possibilities.
1:00:33 > 1:00:38First possibility is that Mark Duggan threw it there
1:00:38 > 1:00:40before he exited the vehicle.
1:00:40 > 1:00:43Second possibility is the police planted it.
1:00:43 > 1:00:46There was allegations about police planting the weapon.
1:00:46 > 1:00:49That's outside my area, I can't comment on that,
1:00:49 > 1:00:51but it seems to me,
1:00:51 > 1:00:53from the evidence of the police officers,
1:00:53 > 1:00:57that the first sight they get of him,
1:00:57 > 1:01:00the door is already open and he is exiting the vehicle,
1:01:00 > 1:01:05so there was an opportunity for him to open the door,
1:01:05 > 1:01:09throw the weapon and THEN step out
1:01:09 > 1:01:12and that's what the jury concluded,
1:01:12 > 1:01:14that's what I concluded.
1:01:16 > 1:01:18The inquest jury decided that
1:01:18 > 1:01:22it was only after Mark Duggan threw the gun that he was shot.
1:01:22 > 1:01:24He's reaching, he's reaching!
1:01:24 > 1:01:26TWO GUNSHOTS
1:01:26 > 1:01:28TAPE REWINDS
1:01:28 > 1:01:31The IPCC concluded that it was more likely
1:01:31 > 1:01:33that Mark was shot as he was throwing the gun.
1:01:33 > 1:01:36TWO GUNSHOTS
1:01:36 > 1:01:38Shots fired, shots fired!
1:01:38 > 1:01:39TAPE REWINDS
1:01:39 > 1:01:42Neither version explains why there was no forensic evidence
1:01:42 > 1:01:45connecting Mark Duggan to the gun.
1:01:45 > 1:01:46Armed police, armed police!
1:01:46 > 1:01:48TWO GUNSHOTS
1:01:48 > 1:01:50Shots fired, shots fired!
1:01:50 > 1:01:51If this guy had had a gun in his hand
1:01:51 > 1:01:54when he was shot by the police officer...
1:01:54 > 1:01:56There's no DNA,
1:01:56 > 1:02:00there's no fingerprints.
1:02:00 > 1:02:03It would turn out there was no gun residue,
1:02:03 > 1:02:06there was just nothing connecting him
1:02:06 > 1:02:08to ever have been holding the gun
1:02:08 > 1:02:11and pointing it in the direction of a police officer
1:02:11 > 1:02:14or waving it around when surrounded by the police.
1:02:14 > 1:02:18In terms of the forensic evidence on the gun or not on the gun,
1:02:18 > 1:02:21you can't explain why something ISN'T there.
1:02:21 > 1:02:24You can ask the question, does the fact that it isn't there
1:02:24 > 1:02:27mean absolutely this can't have happened?
1:02:27 > 1:02:28So, does the lack of forensic evidence
1:02:28 > 1:02:30mean that he couldn't have had it?
1:02:30 > 1:02:32And the answer back to us, forensically,
1:02:32 > 1:02:33has been no, it doesn't mean that.
1:02:33 > 1:02:35We might have expected to find it, we didn't find it,
1:02:35 > 1:02:38but there was nothing there that said, actually,
1:02:38 > 1:02:40this couldn't have happened, if that makes sense.
1:02:44 > 1:02:46Well, my understanding was that
1:02:46 > 1:02:49the position of the gun was a pertinent and critical issue
1:02:49 > 1:02:53as far as the rest of the deliberations of the inquest
1:02:53 > 1:02:57because of suggestions as to how the gun may have got there.
1:02:57 > 1:03:02We were specifically asked to track the movements, for example,
1:03:02 > 1:03:06of the three people that had been seen moving to the grassed area.
1:03:06 > 1:03:10R31, we indicate him as a yellow arrow.
1:03:10 > 1:03:13Z51 is identified as a blue arrow
1:03:13 > 1:03:17and V59 is identified by a pink or purple arrow.
1:03:18 > 1:03:23I introduced this person "White Top" because I saw him on the footage.
1:03:23 > 1:03:24He seemed to interact
1:03:24 > 1:03:27with each of the three individuals at various times.
1:03:27 > 1:03:31As a result of that, I was asked then to write another report
1:03:31 > 1:03:34considering the movements of "White Top"
1:03:34 > 1:03:36throughout the same footage.
1:03:36 > 1:03:43My role, if you like, that I assumed then was to be checking on,
1:03:43 > 1:03:48as I say, the scene as a whole, trying to make sure it's secure
1:03:48 > 1:03:51and also making sure my colleagues were OK
1:03:51 > 1:03:55and that would be those giving first aid to Mr Duggan.
1:03:55 > 1:03:58All the other people within the scene
1:03:58 > 1:04:01seem to be very focused in doing their own thing.
1:04:01 > 1:04:04Now, I didn't know whether White Top
1:04:04 > 1:04:07was coordinating activity or otherwise.
1:04:07 > 1:04:11He has moved in from camera left, off-camera,
1:04:11 > 1:04:15walks all the way across, interacts with other people,
1:04:15 > 1:04:18and moves around the area as a whole.
1:04:18 > 1:04:21That was the thing that highlighted him to me in the first place,
1:04:21 > 1:04:25was he seemed to be touring the whole scene
1:04:25 > 1:04:28rather than being focused in any one area.
1:04:30 > 1:04:32When the commotion happened,
1:04:32 > 1:04:35when they was doing CPR on Mr Duggan here,
1:04:35 > 1:04:38because all the officers' backs was towards me,
1:04:38 > 1:04:41all I could see was the officers' backs,
1:04:41 > 1:04:45so that's when I ran back over to the green, where the handrail is.
1:04:45 > 1:04:47An officer had gone into a car.
1:04:47 > 1:04:49I think it was a...
1:04:49 > 1:04:53It wasn't a boiler-suit policeman, it was a regular police, right?
1:04:53 > 1:04:56He had taken the gun out of the car
1:04:56 > 1:05:00and he placed it in, on a black cloth
1:05:00 > 1:05:02in the palm of his hand, right?
1:05:02 > 1:05:06The theory would be, then,
1:05:06 > 1:05:09that one of the police officers went into the taxi
1:05:09 > 1:05:11after Mark Duggan was shot, got the gun,
1:05:11 > 1:05:13kept it on his person and then,
1:05:13 > 1:05:17in a pretence of looking for the gun, then planted it.
1:05:19 > 1:05:24He moves behind the minicab and then appears to bend down
1:05:24 > 1:05:27and is obscured from view.
1:05:27 > 1:05:31Whether he accesses the minicab, I can't confirm,
1:05:31 > 1:05:34because I can't see him, I can't see him do that.
1:05:34 > 1:05:36Whether he bent down
1:05:36 > 1:05:41and communicated with one of the officers around Mark Duggan,
1:05:41 > 1:05:46again, I cannot confirm that, because he is out of view.
1:05:46 > 1:05:49When I went back round the minicab, it was at the point
1:05:49 > 1:05:55where, I believe, someone has asked me to open up the extra Medikit.
1:05:55 > 1:05:58I cannot be specific as to who it was,
1:05:58 > 1:06:02somebody simply shouted for me to open up the second medic pack.
1:06:02 > 1:06:06I can't... How can I put it? It happened, right?
1:06:06 > 1:06:09I don't remember everything, but one thing I do remember
1:06:09 > 1:06:13is that I saw an officer come out of the car with a gun.
1:06:14 > 1:06:16Miss J has always maintained
1:06:16 > 1:06:19that she saw an officer coming out of the minicab with a gun,
1:06:19 > 1:06:21but there were inconsistencies in her accounts
1:06:21 > 1:06:24to the inquest and the IPCC,
1:06:24 > 1:06:29who concluded that her evidence was unreliable and contradictory.
1:06:29 > 1:06:32There is no way you can be mistaken seeing a gun in Tottenham
1:06:32 > 1:06:34in broad daylight!
1:06:36 > 1:06:38If you're going to have the presence of mind
1:06:38 > 1:06:41to think, "Oh, we need to plant this gun
1:06:41 > 1:06:43"because it doesn't look good where it's been found,"
1:06:43 > 1:06:45it's hard for me to then think
1:06:45 > 1:06:48you'd go through that process, but not have the presence of mind
1:06:48 > 1:06:50to plant it somewhere useful to you.
1:06:50 > 1:06:52Actually, where the gun was found
1:06:52 > 1:06:55has caused huge problems for the police,
1:06:55 > 1:06:58in terms of the plausibility and credibility of their accounts.
1:06:58 > 1:07:02My team are very professional.
1:07:02 > 1:07:05No, we did not plant any gun at any scene.
1:07:05 > 1:07:07I find that highly offensive.
1:07:09 > 1:07:12TWO GUNSHOTS
1:07:13 > 1:07:16I was asked, actually, by the police
1:07:16 > 1:07:19to produce a review
1:07:19 > 1:07:23about the impact of emotion,
1:07:23 > 1:07:27like being involved in a shooting incident,
1:07:27 > 1:07:29how that impacts on memory.
1:07:29 > 1:07:33Under most circumstances, you know,
1:07:33 > 1:07:38police officers don't shoot people who are unarmed.
1:07:38 > 1:07:43Occasionally, there is a sort of a perceptual distortion.
1:07:43 > 1:07:47The person is lifting something and it's not a gun,
1:07:47 > 1:07:51but something else that the police officer believes is a gun
1:07:51 > 1:07:54and believes he is under threat.
1:07:54 > 1:07:58We know that the police were told that Mark Duggan was dangerous
1:07:58 > 1:07:59and that he was armed
1:07:59 > 1:08:03and we know, as a fact, he did have a gun in the vehicle.
1:08:04 > 1:08:09He was stopped by armed police and he did a runner
1:08:09 > 1:08:12and he ran into an armed police officer
1:08:12 > 1:08:15who was holding his gun in the shooting position.
1:08:15 > 1:08:18At the same time, he was making some body movements
1:08:18 > 1:08:21which could be interpreted as pulling a gun.
1:08:21 > 1:08:26He has got his right hand across his waistband area
1:08:26 > 1:08:29and, on the evidence of one of the police witnesses,
1:08:29 > 1:08:31his left hand in his pocket,
1:08:31 > 1:08:33as if he is fumbling for something
1:08:33 > 1:08:37and he is using his right hand to assist from the outside.
1:08:37 > 1:08:42The only thing that was found on his body was a mobile phone.
1:08:42 > 1:08:44We don't know which pocket it was in.
1:08:44 > 1:08:46The police have no record of that.
1:08:46 > 1:08:50But the best bet is he had a mobile phone in his left pocket,
1:08:50 > 1:08:54he was trying to get it out and, in that split second,
1:08:54 > 1:08:57a police officer decided to fire.
1:09:00 > 1:09:04He was wrong about the gun being in Duggan's hand,
1:09:04 > 1:09:07but it's pretty hard to criticise that police officer
1:09:07 > 1:09:09in all the circumstances.
1:09:10 > 1:09:17The common cognitive distortion that is reported is time slowing down.
1:09:17 > 1:09:20Everything seems to be like it's slow motion,
1:09:20 > 1:09:24but it's likely to be a distortion.
1:09:24 > 1:09:26It doesn't have to be that they are lying,
1:09:26 > 1:09:30it means, when you look at memory, memory is fragile,
1:09:30 > 1:09:33it is very easy to make mistakes.
1:09:36 > 1:09:37As I was taking the photographs,
1:09:37 > 1:09:41I was forming that idea that there was
1:09:41 > 1:09:44something else going on there,
1:09:44 > 1:09:48that there was that confusion, that chaos.
1:09:48 > 1:09:51Those things together made me realise
1:09:51 > 1:09:54that this was a big piece of news.
1:09:55 > 1:10:01Some time between 6.00 and 6.30, a call comes into the newsdesk -
1:10:01 > 1:10:04rare, because we are not normally the first port of call for people
1:10:04 > 1:10:06with breaking news.
1:10:06 > 1:10:09Someone said there had been a shooting in Tottenham
1:10:09 > 1:10:10and he had some pictures.
1:10:10 > 1:10:14I said, "Right, I'll start getting the pictures off the camera
1:10:14 > 1:10:18"and I'll start figuring out a way of somehow getting them to you."
1:10:18 > 1:10:21And I rang the Metropolitan Police Press Office.
1:10:21 > 1:10:25At about 7.25, I get a call from a press officer
1:10:25 > 1:10:29and I say to him, "Look, this is really serious,
1:10:29 > 1:10:31"this is what we think is happening.
1:10:31 > 1:10:34"Can you confirm what's happened?"
1:10:34 > 1:10:37He said, "I don't know anything about it, I'll come back to you."
1:10:37 > 1:10:40Five minutes later, nothing had happened,
1:10:40 > 1:10:42I ring him again.
1:10:42 > 1:10:43He then says to me,
1:10:43 > 1:10:49"Yes, all I can tell you is there's been an exchange of fire.
1:10:49 > 1:10:51"Someone is dead
1:10:51 > 1:10:54"and a police officer has been taken to hospital,
1:10:54 > 1:10:57"we believe he has been shot."
1:10:57 > 1:11:00And I said, "So, there has been an exchange of gunfire?
1:11:00 > 1:11:02"How is the police officer?"
1:11:02 > 1:11:05"We've got no idea on his condition, that's all I know."
1:11:05 > 1:11:06That was it.
1:11:12 > 1:11:16At the same time, it occurred to me, if there had been a shooting,
1:11:16 > 1:11:18the Independent Police Complaints Commission
1:11:18 > 1:11:23would have to be notified, so I rang their duty press officer
1:11:23 > 1:11:26and, almost word for word, he says exactly the same thing.
1:11:26 > 1:11:29"We understand there's been an exchange of fire,
1:11:29 > 1:11:32"police have returned fire, a police officer has been injured
1:11:32 > 1:11:38"and has gone to hospital and someone has been killed.
1:11:38 > 1:11:39"That's all we know at the moment."
1:11:39 > 1:11:41And actually, in the end,
1:11:41 > 1:11:47at 7.55 that night, in the closing headlines,
1:11:47 > 1:11:50Krishnan Guru-Murthy, who was presenting at that time, says...
1:11:50 > 1:11:52Breaking news, we're getting reports of
1:11:52 > 1:11:53a shooting incident in North London.
1:11:53 > 1:11:56It is understood that a young man has been killed.
1:11:56 > 1:11:58Scotland Yard have told us shots were fired
1:11:58 > 1:12:01and an officer has been taken to hospital.
1:12:01 > 1:12:05The Independent Police Complaints Commission has also been informed.
1:12:08 > 1:12:11The head of Trident at the time, Stuart Cundy, called me,
1:12:11 > 1:12:13I think almost as soon he'd heard.
1:12:13 > 1:12:17His duty was to inform me, as the chair of Trident,
1:12:17 > 1:12:20that a Trident operation had gone...
1:12:20 > 1:12:23you know, had ended in this way.
1:12:23 > 1:12:28'The next I'd heard was looking at the reports that were coming in.'
1:12:28 > 1:12:29Sejal, what more can you tell us?
1:12:29 > 1:12:32Well, Mark, at about 6.15 this evening,
1:12:32 > 1:12:37there was an exchange of gunfire, just beyond the second police cordon
1:12:37 > 1:12:39that you may be able to see behind me.
1:12:39 > 1:12:43During that exchange, a police officer was shot,
1:12:43 > 1:12:47after which, firearms officers then opened fire
1:12:47 > 1:12:49and shot a young man dead.
1:12:49 > 1:12:51Now, that wasn't what I had had
1:12:51 > 1:12:53reported to me by the head of Trident.
1:12:53 > 1:12:55It was nothing like a shoot-out.
1:12:55 > 1:12:59We were mortified, absolutely mortified,
1:12:59 > 1:13:02Victor 53 in particular,
1:13:02 > 1:13:06because at no time did Victor 53 or his colleagues
1:13:06 > 1:13:09say that Mark Duggan had shot at them,
1:13:09 > 1:13:13so it was very disappointing that no-one stepped up, perhaps,
1:13:13 > 1:13:16from the Metropolitan Police Service to correct that
1:13:16 > 1:13:18and speak to the Duggan family to correct that.
1:13:18 > 1:13:20What it appears that happened
1:13:20 > 1:13:22is that a member of staff, in a verbal briefing,
1:13:22 > 1:13:24suggested there had been an exchange of shots
1:13:24 > 1:13:26and that was clearly wrong.
1:13:26 > 1:13:29It was never given out in any of our formal press releases,
1:13:29 > 1:13:33it was never written down and therefore it took some time
1:13:33 > 1:13:35for us to find out that it had happened
1:13:35 > 1:13:37and we apologised for that at the time
1:13:37 > 1:13:39and it is something we are very sorry for.
1:13:49 > 1:13:53The IPCC put out that story and very quickly...
1:13:53 > 1:13:55That was on August 4th,
1:13:55 > 1:13:58and on August 5th, they were made aware that the bullet
1:13:58 > 1:14:01that had gone into the officer's radio
1:14:01 > 1:14:02was police issue,
1:14:02 > 1:14:06so if they could be so quick to put out an erroneous story
1:14:06 > 1:14:07that was obviously wrong,
1:14:07 > 1:14:10you'd think that they should have, on August 5th,
1:14:10 > 1:14:16said, "Excuse us, we now know that Mark Duggan did not shoot,
1:14:16 > 1:14:19"we now know that there wasn't a shoot-out."
1:14:19 > 1:14:22But they chose not to do it again,
1:14:22 > 1:14:27leaving that taint and leaving that innuendo and that idea out there
1:14:27 > 1:14:31in the British public's psyche that a dangerous gangster,
1:14:31 > 1:14:34who would open fire on police officers,
1:14:34 > 1:14:37had been killed on the streets of Tottenham.
1:14:37 > 1:14:40The notion of misreporting began,
1:14:40 > 1:14:44the notion of painting the victim...
1:14:44 > 1:14:46And I say the word "victim"
1:14:46 > 1:14:51in the sense that a man had lost his life,
1:14:51 > 1:14:54but the notion that somehow...
1:14:54 > 1:14:58that he was responsible for his own death,
1:14:58 > 1:15:01all of that had begun.
1:15:01 > 1:15:03We had no issues around
1:15:03 > 1:15:08the legality and the reasons that we shot Mark Duggan,
1:15:08 > 1:15:11but what we did have issues with
1:15:11 > 1:15:15was that someone had said that he had fired at police when he hadn't
1:15:15 > 1:15:18and that's when we wanted a senior officer to step up
1:15:18 > 1:15:21and correct that false information.
1:15:23 > 1:15:27Sadly, they didn't and, rightly or wrongly,
1:15:27 > 1:15:31we made a decision and I phoned up Sky News and let them know
1:15:31 > 1:15:34and said, "We need to correct this information."
1:15:36 > 1:15:39The picture that they have of Mark, I don't even know how
1:15:39 > 1:15:41they could use that picture to portray him as a gangster anyway
1:15:41 > 1:15:44because they've cropped that picture and used that picture
1:15:44 > 1:15:47like it's something bad that he was doing,
1:15:47 > 1:15:48but that picture is him
1:15:48 > 1:15:49at his daughter's graveside.
1:15:49 > 1:15:51That was really depressing,
1:15:51 > 1:15:55to know that this big industrial machine of the media
1:15:55 > 1:15:58is going to powerplay these lies
1:15:58 > 1:16:01until they become part of people's psyche, I guess.
1:16:01 > 1:16:04Do you get what I'm trying to say? And as far as they are concerned,
1:16:04 > 1:16:06that guy shot at police.
1:16:22 > 1:16:25I got a phone call from his brother Marlon
1:16:25 > 1:16:30to say there's been a shooting in Tottenham Hale
1:16:30 > 1:16:32and he thinks it's Mark.
1:16:32 > 1:16:34We both looked at one another and said,
1:16:34 > 1:16:36"He can't be hurt because he's on his way here."
1:16:36 > 1:16:40The phone rang and it was beside me and I saw it was Semone.
1:16:41 > 1:16:42Then it rang off.
1:16:46 > 1:16:52I went down to the scene and I said to the officer,
1:16:52 > 1:16:55"I think my partner is there."
1:16:55 > 1:16:57And he said, "Who's your partner?"
1:16:57 > 1:16:59I said, "Mark Duggan."
1:16:59 > 1:17:04I rang back Semone and she said that they were at the scene,
1:17:04 > 1:17:08but she said some officers told them that somebody has been airlifted
1:17:08 > 1:17:11to Whitechapel Hospital and it might be Mark,
1:17:11 > 1:17:12so they should go there.
1:17:12 > 1:17:15The rest of the family had all headed over to the hospital,
1:17:15 > 1:17:18where they had been advised that Mark was going
1:17:18 > 1:17:21in the helicopter, the air ambulance.
1:17:21 > 1:17:23Only when they got there, to realise that Mark hadn't,
1:17:23 > 1:17:25it was the officer that was there.
1:17:25 > 1:17:29So we had to drive back to the scene.
1:17:30 > 1:17:34Everything was taped off and we were trying to talk
1:17:34 > 1:17:36and we were still getting no answers.
1:17:36 > 1:17:39The police officer turned round and said to me,
1:17:39 > 1:17:42"Well, the person that is laying on the floor is Indian."
1:17:43 > 1:17:47So I was like, "Indian?"
1:17:47 > 1:17:50"Yeah, so it can't be your brother," like that.
1:17:50 > 1:17:53- SEMONE:- And then another officer came
1:17:53 > 1:17:56and they took me round to the back of Tottenham Hale station.
1:17:56 > 1:17:58I've showed them a picture
1:17:58 > 1:18:01on my phone and I said, "This is what Mark looks like,"
1:18:01 > 1:18:04and then the other officer called that officer
1:18:04 > 1:18:06that was talking to me and said, "Yeah."
1:18:06 > 1:18:07I heard him say, "It is him."
1:18:07 > 1:18:09At that point, when they said that,
1:18:09 > 1:18:11I remember letting out a scream.
1:18:11 > 1:18:14It felt like it came from the bottom of my stomach
1:18:14 > 1:18:15and when I looked over at Semone,
1:18:15 > 1:18:18her head was down and she was just sobbing.
1:18:18 > 1:18:21She started to scream, my sister started to scream,
1:18:21 > 1:18:23so I just...ran.
1:18:24 > 1:18:26I just ran.
1:18:26 > 1:18:31But everything just seemed to be going in slow motion at that time
1:18:31 > 1:18:33and I was like, "OK..."
1:18:33 > 1:18:36But by the time we came out of the train station,
1:18:36 > 1:18:39it was just like everybody was just there, like...
1:18:53 > 1:18:56I left the scene with Paulette
1:18:56 > 1:19:00and I went to Pam's, Mark's mum.
1:19:02 > 1:19:05And...
1:19:05 > 1:19:06SEMONE EXHALES
1:19:06 > 1:19:08It was just heartbreaking.
1:19:08 > 1:19:12She was just oblivious, she didn't know anything.
1:19:13 > 1:19:15I thought the police
1:19:15 > 1:19:18would have contacted the parents before I got there
1:19:18 > 1:19:21and that hadn't been done.
1:19:21 > 1:19:23And then we are hearing it on the news,
1:19:23 > 1:19:27we are all sitting there watching it on the news and...
1:19:27 > 1:19:30It was just crazy, because we didn't have no answers.
1:19:30 > 1:19:33Why? Why? Why was he shot?
1:19:33 > 1:19:35How come he got shot?
1:19:35 > 1:19:39How come no-one is telling us what's going on?
1:19:41 > 1:19:43So, throughout the 4th, the Duggan family,
1:19:43 > 1:19:48Mum and Dad, Bruno and Pam, are hearing all this on the TV
1:19:48 > 1:19:52and I remember his mum saying she just kept on thinking to herself,
1:19:52 > 1:19:55"As long as no-one comes the door
1:19:55 > 1:19:57"and says it's true,
1:19:57 > 1:19:59"then maybe it's not true,
1:19:59 > 1:20:02"maybe there is some terrible mistake happening out there."
1:20:02 > 1:20:04So they waited all the next day,
1:20:04 > 1:20:09which was...the Friday, 5th August,
1:20:09 > 1:20:11and nobody came,
1:20:11 > 1:20:13so on the Saturday,
1:20:13 > 1:20:15we decided to go to the police station
1:20:15 > 1:20:19in the expectation that they would do what they had to do.
1:20:19 > 1:20:22Let me be clear, if anybody gets killed,
1:20:22 > 1:20:25murdered or simply dies on the streets of Britain,
1:20:25 > 1:20:30the police service deliver the death message to the family.
1:20:30 > 1:20:32We went to Tottenham police station and...
1:20:34 > 1:20:36I would say it was a joke,
1:20:36 > 1:20:38but because of the outcome,
1:20:38 > 1:20:40you can't dismiss it as being a joke.
1:20:40 > 1:20:42We are there, knocking at the police door.
1:20:42 > 1:20:44This is a public police station and they've closed the door.
1:20:44 > 1:20:46And we're saying, "Well, we are waiting for somebody
1:20:46 > 1:20:49"to come and explain to us what has happened to Mark Duggan."
1:20:49 > 1:20:55And then it took them hours to present somebody as the top officer,
1:20:55 > 1:20:59but all he wanted to do was take Semone in the station
1:20:59 > 1:21:00and help her to write a complaint
1:21:00 > 1:21:02and we wasn't there to make a complaint,
1:21:02 > 1:21:06we were there to get someone to go to the family home,
1:21:06 > 1:21:07so that became unacceptable.
1:21:07 > 1:21:09Every time one of us stepped up on the step,
1:21:09 > 1:21:10they would say, "Could you step down?"
1:21:10 > 1:21:12"We want to know if somebody is coming out."
1:21:12 > 1:21:14"Somebody will be with you shortly."
1:21:14 > 1:21:17"But we've been here two hours, we've been here three hours,
1:21:17 > 1:21:18"four hours, five hours.
1:21:18 > 1:21:20"You know what? We're going."
1:21:20 > 1:21:23We just said, "OK, let's just take the kids away and leave,"
1:21:23 > 1:21:25and we did, we left peacefully.
1:21:25 > 1:21:30I could say it was it was until I reached to Bruce Grove itself,
1:21:30 > 1:21:33where the bridge was, and I looked back, I was like,
1:21:33 > 1:21:36"Hold on a minute, is that car on fire?
1:21:36 > 1:21:40SIRENS WAIL
1:21:42 > 1:21:45If you look at other shootings, one way Duggan is different
1:21:45 > 1:21:48is this is a shooting with real consequences.
1:21:48 > 1:21:50They were the worst riots in modern English history.
1:21:50 > 1:21:53People died in those riots.
1:21:53 > 1:21:55The death was followed
1:21:55 > 1:21:58by the most destructive riots in British history.
1:21:58 > 1:22:00Inevitably, people had a very negative view of Mark Duggan.
1:22:00 > 1:22:03I think the view of a lot of people was,
1:22:03 > 1:22:05"Here's this guy, he actually shot at the police
1:22:05 > 1:22:07"and, look, look what his mates have done now,
1:22:07 > 1:22:09"they've torched London and other cities."
1:22:09 > 1:22:11There was, therefore, I think,
1:22:11 > 1:22:13very little sympathy for the broader issues,
1:22:13 > 1:22:16about whether this should have happened in the first place.
1:22:16 > 1:22:19The police never did go to the Duggan home
1:22:19 > 1:22:21to inform his parents of their son's death.
1:22:23 > 1:22:25The family had to wait two-and-a-half years
1:22:25 > 1:22:27to receive the official verdict.
1:22:27 > 1:22:31Today his family heard an inquest jury conclude
1:22:31 > 1:22:34that his killing by police was lawful.
1:22:34 > 1:22:36We came for justice today,
1:22:36 > 1:22:38we don't feel that we're leaving with justice,
1:22:38 > 1:22:42we feel we are leaving with a grave injustice.
1:22:42 > 1:22:44Even if a police officer is wrong -
1:22:44 > 1:22:48so in this case, he shot, claiming Duggan definitely had a gun
1:22:48 > 1:22:52and he didn't have a gun, according to the jury verdict -
1:22:52 > 1:22:55even if that is the case, it's lawful.
1:22:57 > 1:22:59Lawful doesn't mean you were correct in what you said,
1:22:59 > 1:23:02it means that you didn't break any laws in what you did.
1:23:05 > 1:23:12To me, that lawful killing verdict is a huge pain and a huge reflection
1:23:12 > 1:23:16of the relationship that there is
1:23:16 > 1:23:18between the police and the black community,
1:23:18 > 1:23:21where nobody has been brought to justice,
1:23:21 > 1:23:24where nobody has able to account for what happened.
1:23:24 > 1:23:28It is almost as though, as the community would often say,
1:23:28 > 1:23:31that police are able to act with impunity,
1:23:31 > 1:23:33something that has been historic
1:23:33 > 1:23:36and something that just hasn't gone away.
1:23:38 > 1:23:42For the police, the lawful killing inquest verdict
1:23:42 > 1:23:44and the IPCC report which followed
1:23:44 > 1:23:48have closed the book on the death of Mark Duggan,
1:23:48 > 1:23:50but for his friends and family,
1:23:50 > 1:23:53not being able to see the secret intelligence
1:23:53 > 1:23:56means that they cannot move on.
1:23:56 > 1:23:58They want to sit in court and reel off
1:23:58 > 1:24:04all this fictional...criminal history that belonged to him,
1:24:04 > 1:24:08but yet you cannot tell us, factually,
1:24:08 > 1:24:10why Mark was under surveillance,
1:24:10 > 1:24:12why you were following him.
1:24:12 > 1:24:13What was he doing?
1:24:13 > 1:24:16You say you know, but you can't tell us.
1:24:16 > 1:24:19I actually thought, for a little while,
1:24:19 > 1:24:21coming up to the verdict,
1:24:21 > 1:24:23when the Met really believed they were going to lose
1:24:23 > 1:24:25and they did believe they were going to lose,
1:24:25 > 1:24:28there was a time when it appeared
1:24:28 > 1:24:31that maybe even they wanted to find a way
1:24:31 > 1:24:33to ensure this didn't happen again.
1:24:34 > 1:24:36But they won the verdict
1:24:36 > 1:24:41and we are as far apart now as we probably have ever been.
1:24:42 > 1:24:45Even for some of those who investigated the case,
1:24:45 > 1:24:47a sense of unease remains.
1:24:47 > 1:24:51What we are trying to do is search for the truth
1:24:51 > 1:24:53and it's not very satisfying
1:24:53 > 1:24:55when you put so much effort into searching for the truth
1:24:55 > 1:24:57and you can't be absolutely certain that you've found it.
1:24:57 > 1:24:59It leaves that sense of kind of, you know,
1:24:59 > 1:25:01is there something out there?
1:25:01 > 1:25:04So I understand why people want to find it.
1:25:04 > 1:25:06Am I optimistic?
1:25:06 > 1:25:07In all honesty, probably not.
1:25:07 > 1:25:11It may be that, in years to come, we will learn more
1:25:11 > 1:25:14about what really went wrong and why this,
1:25:14 > 1:25:17to my mind, avoidable death took place.
1:25:17 > 1:25:21And if we do, maybe there will be some sort of catharsis,
1:25:21 > 1:25:25as has finally happened with the Hillsborough inquest.
1:25:25 > 1:25:31So far, all the publicity about Duggan doesn't even begin to address
1:25:31 > 1:25:35the fundamental issues about intelligence.
1:25:35 > 1:25:40My whole point at the inquest was this need never have happened.
1:25:41 > 1:25:45I see Victor 53 on a regular basis now, as a friend,
1:25:45 > 1:25:50and there is not a day or a moment that I've spent with him
1:25:50 > 1:25:52over the last four years or so...
1:25:54 > 1:25:56..that has ever led me to believe
1:25:56 > 1:25:58anything other than he told the truth
1:25:58 > 1:26:01and that he did the right thing.
1:26:02 > 1:26:05Does he regret shooting Mark Duggan?
1:26:05 > 1:26:09No...because he did his job,
1:26:09 > 1:26:12he did his job that day and he believed that Mark Duggan
1:26:12 > 1:26:17was a dangerous threat to him, his colleagues and the public.
1:26:19 > 1:26:21Are you going to sit in front of me and my family
1:26:21 > 1:26:25and tell me that you're happy with the way it went,
1:26:25 > 1:26:30that's the best outcome that we could have had there?
1:26:30 > 1:26:32My brother's dead.
1:26:34 > 1:26:37His children can't see him any more.
1:26:37 > 1:26:40His brothers and sisters can't see him any more.
1:26:40 > 1:26:44His mum, who has been torn completely apart,
1:26:44 > 1:26:46can't see him any more.
1:26:46 > 1:26:50His dad, who gave up on life because of it,
1:26:50 > 1:26:51can't see him any more.
1:27:00 > 1:27:01Really and truly, it's for the kids now.
1:27:01 > 1:27:07It's for closure for them kids. You know?
1:27:07 > 1:27:09And it's not ever going to be a closure for me,
1:27:09 > 1:27:13never in a million years, it will never be a closure.
1:27:13 > 1:27:16Never. Because they still took my son's life.
1:27:17 > 1:27:20This is Mark Duggan's daughter.
1:27:20 > 1:27:24And this is Kahliya, this is another one of Mark Duggan's daughters.
1:27:24 > 1:27:27And they just want to say a quick little word
1:27:27 > 1:27:29on behalf of the family.
1:27:29 > 1:27:31So I'm going to hand over.
1:27:31 > 1:27:34I'd like to say a poem from... that I made up.
1:27:34 > 1:27:36He went away without farewell
1:27:36 > 1:27:38He said goodbye to none
1:27:38 > 1:27:40But Heaven's gate was open wide
1:27:40 > 1:27:42And a loving voice said, "Come"
1:27:42 > 1:27:44Beside his grave we often stand
1:27:44 > 1:27:45Our hearts are tired and sore
1:27:45 > 1:27:48But through the gloom there comes the words,
1:27:48 > 1:27:50"Not dead, just gone before."
1:27:50 > 1:27:51RIP, Daddy.
1:27:51 > 1:27:54CHEERING
1:27:54 > 1:27:57- Well done, baby, well done! - That was really beautiful!