0:00:02 > 0:00:04Today on Crime And Punishment, tracking down the troublemakers.
0:00:04 > 0:00:06You've been here two hours, you've had more than two pints.
0:00:06 > 0:00:10And focussing new eyes on an old problem.
0:00:10 > 0:00:12Can we make sure the camera's on it?
0:00:12 > 0:00:15Because we're going to be arresting somebody in a minute.
0:00:15 > 0:00:17And here in Bristol Prison,
0:00:17 > 0:00:19we'll be recalling one of the last hangings in Britain,
0:00:19 > 0:00:24with the officer who witnessed the condemned man's final days.
0:00:24 > 0:00:26I suppose he knew it was just a few days,
0:00:26 > 0:00:29and if his last appeal went down to the Queen for clemency,
0:00:29 > 0:00:31he would hang the next day.
0:00:49 > 0:00:51One of the major changes to our justice system
0:00:51 > 0:00:54since the Queen came to the throne 60 years ago,
0:00:54 > 0:00:55happened in 1969,
0:00:55 > 0:00:59with the abolition of the death penalty.
0:00:59 > 0:01:01Calls for its return began almost immediately,
0:01:01 > 0:01:04with the convictions of the Moors murderers,
0:01:04 > 0:01:06Myra Hindley and Ian Brady.
0:01:06 > 0:01:09Despite public cries to hang them, the law remained.
0:01:09 > 0:01:11Even today, 43 years later,
0:01:11 > 0:01:15the debate about capital punishment is still a passionate one.
0:01:25 > 0:01:29One of Britain's last executions took place at Bristol Prison
0:01:29 > 0:01:32at 8am on the 17th December 1963.
0:01:33 > 0:01:36In what became known as the Christmas Hanging,
0:01:36 > 0:01:3924-year-old Russell Pascoe paid the ultimate penalty
0:01:39 > 0:01:42for his part in the murder of a Cornish farmer...
0:01:43 > 0:01:46..at exactly the same time as his partner in crime,
0:01:46 > 0:01:49Dennis Whitty, was being hanged at Winchester.
0:01:49 > 0:01:53Outside Horfield Prison, as it was known then, a huddle of demonstrators
0:01:53 > 0:01:58had been protesting night and day against Pascoe's sentence.
0:01:58 > 0:02:02Among them, one of Bristol's MPs, Tony Benn.
0:02:02 > 0:02:06Everything that I saw that day confirmed all my feelings about it.
0:02:08 > 0:02:11The whole thing was so gruesome, and it reminded me
0:02:11 > 0:02:13of the fact that if you execute people,
0:02:13 > 0:02:16it's what the system does to you,
0:02:16 > 0:02:18and everybody in society.
0:02:20 > 0:02:22Benn was moved to write an article for The Guardian.
0:02:23 > 0:02:27This was not the flickering thrill of a TV lynching,
0:02:27 > 0:02:29but the killing of a real man,
0:02:29 > 0:02:33now sweating it out a few yards away behind the high walls,
0:02:33 > 0:02:37and who would in 24 hours' time be buried in quicklime,
0:02:37 > 0:02:38his death agony over.
0:02:42 > 0:02:45Back in the early 1800s, more than 200 crimes,
0:02:45 > 0:02:48like stealing sheep and pickpocketing,
0:02:48 > 0:02:50were punishable by death.
0:02:50 > 0:02:53In those days, hangings were carried out in public,
0:02:53 > 0:02:57in a party atmosphere that disgusted critics like Thackeray and Charles Dickens,
0:02:57 > 0:03:01who wrote articles attacking the spectacle.
0:03:01 > 0:03:04No sorrow, no salutary terror,
0:03:04 > 0:03:07nothing but ribaldry, debauchery, levity,
0:03:07 > 0:03:12drunkenness and flaunting vice in 50 other shapes.
0:03:12 > 0:03:16I should have deemed it impossible that I could have ever felt
0:03:16 > 0:03:20any large assemblage of my fellow creatures to be so odious.
0:03:23 > 0:03:26Dickens' writing helped bring about the abolition
0:03:26 > 0:03:28of public executions in 1868,
0:03:28 > 0:03:31only for hangings to continue inside the prison gates
0:03:31 > 0:03:33for another hundred years.
0:03:33 > 0:03:35Ironically, the move behind closed doors
0:03:35 > 0:03:38had taken capital punishment off the political agenda.
0:03:43 > 0:03:48But, by 1963 when Pascoe was hanged, the debate on whether or not
0:03:48 > 0:03:51to abolish capital punishment was becoming ever more intense.
0:03:51 > 0:03:54The fact that it came at Christmas time, just before,
0:03:54 > 0:03:58when the mood was obviously changing,
0:03:58 > 0:04:02I think helped to bring about an atmosphere favourable
0:04:02 > 0:04:04to the abolition of capital punishment.
0:04:04 > 0:04:09The controversy was fuelled by two cases in particular.
0:04:09 > 0:04:11Ruth Ellis, the last woman to be executed,
0:04:11 > 0:04:14was later revealed to have been the victim of terrible abuse
0:04:14 > 0:04:18by the man she shot, her lover, David Blakely.
0:04:18 > 0:04:21I tried to see the Home Secretary on that occasion,
0:04:21 > 0:04:24because I think that was a gross injustice.
0:04:24 > 0:04:28These days, attitudes to domestic abuse have changed so much
0:04:28 > 0:04:32she'd have been able to plead diminished responsibility,
0:04:32 > 0:04:35and experts say she might have received a sentence
0:04:35 > 0:04:37of just two or three years for manslaughter.
0:04:38 > 0:04:41Derek Bentley was hanged for the death of PC Sidney Miles
0:04:41 > 0:04:45during a botched warehouse burglary in Croydon,
0:04:45 > 0:04:47even though it was his underage accomplice,
0:04:47 > 0:04:49Chris Craig, who fired the lethal shot.
0:04:49 > 0:04:54Famously, Bentley was said to have shouted, "Let him have it, Chris."
0:04:54 > 0:04:57Debate still rages whether that meant he wanted Craig
0:04:57 > 0:05:01to hand over the pistol, or use it to kill the advancing policeman.
0:05:01 > 0:05:05Though both Bentley and Craig denied it was ever said at all.
0:05:05 > 0:05:08I think where there was a hanging, there was always an argument,
0:05:08 > 0:05:10was it right or not?
0:05:10 > 0:05:13But whether the guy was really guilty or not
0:05:13 > 0:05:16didn't alter the fact that if you took a life
0:05:16 > 0:05:19you were taking a moral decision that had to be questioned.
0:05:19 > 0:05:23Bentley's family always questioned the decision against him,
0:05:23 > 0:05:28and as a result of the campaign, he was posthumously pardoned in 1998.
0:05:28 > 0:05:30As for Russell Pascoe,
0:05:30 > 0:05:33although he appealed claiming his accomplice, Whitty,
0:05:33 > 0:05:37was the murderer, he was turned down, and his execution took place
0:05:37 > 0:05:42only a week before Christmas, as Tony Benn wrote at the time.
0:05:42 > 0:05:46"This week's hanging in Bristol will probably be the last
0:05:46 > 0:05:49"that ever takes place there.
0:05:49 > 0:05:52"Meanwhile the public has had its pound of flesh
0:05:52 > 0:05:55"and we can sing our carols and eat our Christmas pudding
0:05:55 > 0:05:59"free from any slight embarrassment there might have been
0:05:59 > 0:06:01"if the execution had been fixed, for example,
0:06:01 > 0:06:03"on Christmas Day itself.
0:06:03 > 0:06:06"That would have been most inconsiderate."
0:06:08 > 0:06:10Tony Benn's forecast was correct.
0:06:10 > 0:06:12There were no more hangings at Bristol.
0:06:12 > 0:06:14And in the UK as a whole,
0:06:14 > 0:06:17only two more people were executed before Parliament debated
0:06:17 > 0:06:22halting the death penalty for a five-year trial period in 1965.
0:06:23 > 0:06:27In two and a half hours from now we shall know whether or not
0:06:27 > 0:06:31hanging for murder is likely to be abolished in Great Britain.
0:06:31 > 0:06:33Right up until the vote,
0:06:33 > 0:06:36pros and antis were still making their case on live television.
0:06:36 > 0:06:41But I believe that this particular penalty for particular people,
0:06:41 > 0:06:46namely professional criminals, is the one real deterrent.
0:06:46 > 0:06:49This argument about terrorists is the standard argument
0:06:49 > 0:06:52that's been put for 150 years in respect of every form
0:06:52 > 0:06:55of capital punishment, and has always been proved wrong.
0:06:55 > 0:06:57BELLS CHIME
0:06:57 > 0:06:58In the event,
0:06:58 > 0:07:02the free vote in the Commons went the way of the abolitionists.
0:07:02 > 0:07:06200 in favour to 98 against.
0:07:06 > 0:07:10It was a momentous event, and I do very well remember
0:07:10 > 0:07:14the law being passed, and that was the end of the matter.
0:07:14 > 0:07:16And we used to have public executions,
0:07:16 > 0:07:19we used to have the thumbscrew, we used to have the rack
0:07:19 > 0:07:22and all these things had to be campaigned against.
0:07:22 > 0:07:26And although public opinion remains divided about a return
0:07:26 > 0:07:29to the death penalty ever since,
0:07:29 > 0:07:32its suspension was confirmed four years later.
0:07:32 > 0:07:34The abolitionists had won.
0:07:37 > 0:07:41This is Bristol Prison's final Record Of Executions book,
0:07:41 > 0:07:46and in here we find the details of Russell Pascoe's hanging.
0:07:46 > 0:07:4917th December 1963.
0:07:49 > 0:07:52It was the last hanging here in Bristol,
0:07:52 > 0:07:55cos there's nothing on the next page.
0:07:55 > 0:07:59It's got his age, 24, his height, his build, it's even got
0:07:59 > 0:08:03the length of the drop of the rope to make sure he died instantly.
0:08:04 > 0:08:09I had the opportunity to meet up with prison officer Robert Douglas,
0:08:09 > 0:08:11who looked after Pascoe in his final days.
0:08:12 > 0:08:15First of all, let's clear something up.
0:08:15 > 0:08:18Why was someone appointed to look after a condemned prisoner?
0:08:18 > 0:08:21Well, you can't leave him on his own in case he hangs himself,
0:08:21 > 0:08:26believe it or not. Only the state can do the final harm.
0:08:26 > 0:08:30So he has to have somebody to make sure he doesn't try and cut his wrists, or whatever.
0:08:30 > 0:08:33Tell me what it was like in those final days with Pascoe.
0:08:33 > 0:08:37What kind of things did you do? What kind of things did you talk about?
0:08:37 > 0:08:41Well, the whole six weeks had been fairly easy, playing Monopoly,
0:08:41 > 0:08:44cards, listening to the radio, telling him jokes.
0:08:44 > 0:08:48But as it got near the end, and it began to look as if he was
0:08:48 > 0:08:54going to hang, his appeals, his avenue of appeals of getting off with it had gone down.
0:08:54 > 0:08:56It began to be a little bit tense.
0:08:58 > 0:09:01I suppose he knew it was just a few days,
0:09:01 > 0:09:04and if his last appeal went down to the Queen for clemency,
0:09:04 > 0:09:06he would hang the next day.
0:09:06 > 0:09:10Was he visited by anybody in those last few days?
0:09:10 > 0:09:14The hangman, of course, he came in, gave him a surprise, came in with the governor.
0:09:14 > 0:09:16The governor visits a condemned man every day.
0:09:16 > 0:09:19And the night before the governor came in,
0:09:19 > 0:09:23Harry Allen, the public hangman came in.
0:09:23 > 0:09:25Of course, never said who he was.
0:09:25 > 0:09:28And when the governor asked Pascoe, "You OK, son?" He said, "Yeah."
0:09:28 > 0:09:30And Harry Allen just stuck his hand out.
0:09:30 > 0:09:33And, of course, automatically, Pascoe took it.
0:09:33 > 0:09:36And shook hands. And then when he left, he said to us,
0:09:36 > 0:09:38"Who was that with the governor?"
0:09:38 > 0:09:41And we said, "Don't know."
0:09:41 > 0:09:44But I had just had supper with Harry Allen before I came on.
0:09:44 > 0:09:48- And he said, "That was the- BLEEP - hangman, wasn't it?"
0:09:48 > 0:09:52And I said, I looked at my mate, Ken, and he nodded, and I said, "Yeah, it was."
0:09:52 > 0:09:54- "What's he- BLEEP- want to shake hands with me for?"
0:09:54 > 0:09:59And I said, "It's just something Albert Pierrepoint used to do, and Harry Allen does it.
0:09:59 > 0:10:01"Maybe it makes their conscience feel a bit better."
0:10:01 > 0:10:05- "If I'd have known who he was," he said, "I wouldn't have - BLEEP- shook hands with him."
0:10:05 > 0:10:09Talk me through what happens from the moment Pascoe leaves his cell,
0:10:09 > 0:10:13during those final few minutes, and when he gets executed.
0:10:13 > 0:10:18Unlike most old prisons, Bristol was a little self-contained block.
0:10:18 > 0:10:23And when Harry Allen and his mate went in, to all the visitors,
0:10:23 > 0:10:26the people who witness it, had gone in,
0:10:26 > 0:10:28Harry Allen and his mate were the last two to go in,
0:10:28 > 0:10:31and Harry Allen lit a cigarette before they left,
0:10:31 > 0:10:33and put it in the ashtray.
0:10:33 > 0:10:37In the officer's mess, straight across, we watched them going in.
0:10:37 > 0:10:39And there's a clock at Bristol, a tower with a clock,
0:10:39 > 0:10:43and it began to chime, and they'd just walk him straight...
0:10:43 > 0:10:45They've already bound his arms,
0:10:45 > 0:10:48and the two officers walk him straight on top of the trapdoors.
0:10:48 > 0:10:52The officers stand on two planks, and they have a braided rope,
0:10:52 > 0:10:54each to hang on to, cos when the trap's open,
0:10:54 > 0:10:58they've only got the braided rope and the planks
0:10:58 > 0:11:01to save them following Pascoe through the floor.
0:11:01 > 0:11:03And we watched Harry Allen go in,
0:11:03 > 0:11:07and the clock began to chime eight, and at the fifth chime
0:11:07 > 0:11:13we heard - vroomph - the traps open and bang off the padded walls.
0:11:13 > 0:11:18And then, about a minute after that, over came Harry Allen out the cell,
0:11:18 > 0:11:22out the block again, into the mess and lifted his cigarette,
0:11:22 > 0:11:23which was only half burnt.
0:11:23 > 0:11:26Took a draw of his cigarette, rubbed his hands and said,
0:11:26 > 0:11:28"Any tea on the go?"
0:11:28 > 0:11:30And that was as quick as that.
0:11:30 > 0:11:32Incredible. Thanks very much indeed...
0:11:32 > 0:11:34- You're welcome.- ..for sharing that.
0:11:34 > 0:11:36Nice to meet you. Thank you.
0:11:39 > 0:11:41Here at Birmingham Central Police Station,
0:11:41 > 0:11:45these CCTV cameras look out for crime on city streets,
0:11:45 > 0:11:47but technology like this also keeps an eye out
0:11:47 > 0:11:50for troublemakers in our football stadiums.
0:11:50 > 0:11:53All's quiet today, though, at Villa Park.
0:11:53 > 0:11:55Over 3,000 English and Welsh fans were arrested
0:11:55 > 0:11:58at international and domestic football matches last year,
0:11:58 > 0:12:01but that is nothing compared to the mid '80s,
0:12:01 > 0:12:05when football hooliganism was known as the English disease.
0:12:05 > 0:12:07Today, things are much improved,
0:12:07 > 0:12:11but a local West Midlands derby clash is always a big test.
0:12:13 > 0:12:16This was football in the 1980s.
0:12:17 > 0:12:21Hooliganism that had been around as long as football itself
0:12:21 > 0:12:24had taken a serious turn for the worse.
0:12:26 > 0:12:28It reached its pitch in 1985,
0:12:28 > 0:12:31culminating in the death of a 14-year-old boy,
0:12:31 > 0:12:33crushed when a wall collapsed
0:12:33 > 0:12:36following violence at a Birmingham-Leeds match.
0:12:36 > 0:12:40And then the tragedy at Heysel, when rioting by English hooligans
0:12:40 > 0:12:42caused another wall to collapse,
0:12:42 > 0:12:46killing 39 fans and injuring more than 600.
0:12:46 > 0:12:50England had the worst reputation in the world for football violence.
0:12:50 > 0:12:53Our teams were banned from European club competitions.
0:12:55 > 0:12:57The time had come to clamp down hard.
0:12:57 > 0:13:01A raft of new legislation gave the police fresh power
0:13:01 > 0:13:04to tackle the hooligans and to start to turn the tables.
0:13:06 > 0:13:10- HE SHOUTS INDISTINCTLY - Fast forward 26 years.
0:13:14 > 0:13:17In the West Midlands, there's a local Black Country derby
0:13:17 > 0:13:20between Premier League teams West Bromwich Albion
0:13:20 > 0:13:23and Wolverhampton Wanderers. Tensions are high.
0:13:23 > 0:13:25Traditionally, this particular fixture
0:13:25 > 0:13:28encourages quite a large number of "risk" fans
0:13:28 > 0:13:31- hooligans, if you like, of old - who are going to cause us problems
0:13:31 > 0:13:33and come here purely to have a fight.
0:13:35 > 0:13:37In the past, there has been hand-to-hand fighting
0:13:37 > 0:13:39immediately outside the stadium,
0:13:39 > 0:13:41there has been trouble inside the stadium as well.
0:13:47 > 0:13:52But, unlike in the '80s, now West Midlands police are ready for them.
0:13:52 > 0:13:57Last year what they did do was bring smoke bombs into the stadium.
0:13:57 > 0:14:00There is a very strict search regime being put in place
0:14:00 > 0:14:02and if anything like that is found,
0:14:02 > 0:14:05the expectation is that they will be arrested.
0:14:07 > 0:14:10Today, as well as all that, their special football unit,
0:14:10 > 0:14:12set up last year,
0:14:12 > 0:14:17has team spotters out on the ground tracking down the troublemakers.
0:14:17 > 0:14:21PC Andy Francis is a spotter for home team West Brom.
0:14:21 > 0:14:23It's a role that didn't exist in the '80s.
0:14:23 > 0:14:26He's dedicated to reducing violence between fans
0:14:26 > 0:14:29by monitoring their every move before the match
0:14:29 > 0:14:31in order to manage their behaviour.
0:14:31 > 0:14:35And sometimes, that means he's in the firing line.
0:14:35 > 0:14:39Several of the disorders we've been involved in
0:14:39 > 0:14:44whereby we've been targeted by fans with bricks, bottles,
0:14:44 > 0:14:47fireworks and physical violence.
0:14:47 > 0:14:52Andy knows each one of the West Brom "risk" supporters,
0:14:52 > 0:14:54and he's hunting them down.
0:14:54 > 0:14:57So, we know the normal pubs they use on match days,
0:14:57 > 0:15:00and basically we're doing a trawl round those at the moment
0:15:00 > 0:15:04to try and identify groups that are drinking in those areas.
0:15:07 > 0:15:10Afternoon.
0:15:10 > 0:15:11Come on, boys!
0:15:11 > 0:15:13How are ya? You all right? How you doing?
0:15:13 > 0:15:16# Albion, Albion, Albion, Albion... #
0:15:16 > 0:15:19How are you? All right, mate? How are you?
0:15:19 > 0:15:22# Albion, Albion... #
0:15:22 > 0:15:24- I been out of trouble. - Nobody's saying...
0:15:24 > 0:15:27There's no trouble, there ain't nobody about.
0:15:28 > 0:15:31Andy will have to keep on searching till he finds his troublemakers.
0:15:31 > 0:15:34We'll come back later to see what happens
0:15:34 > 0:15:36in the two hours before kickoff.
0:15:40 > 0:15:44Now, every year, 6,000 prisoners harm themselves,
0:15:44 > 0:15:47and in 2010, 58 took their own lives.
0:15:47 > 0:15:50Although this is the lowest figure since 1996
0:15:50 > 0:15:52and the prison staff are highly trained
0:15:52 > 0:15:54to look out for the warning signs,
0:15:54 > 0:15:57they always have to be on their guard.
0:16:02 > 0:16:06On Bristol prison's G Wing, there are around 140 inmates,
0:16:06 > 0:16:09some of them young offenders between 18 and 21
0:16:09 > 0:16:13doing their first stretch behind bars.
0:16:13 > 0:16:16Staff use a monitoring system called ACCT,
0:16:16 > 0:16:19which stands for Assessment, Care in Custody, and Teamwork.
0:16:19 > 0:16:23A prisoner on the ACCT book is checked throughout the day.
0:16:24 > 0:16:28The staff get to know all the prisoners on the wing
0:16:28 > 0:16:32to assess the likelihood of self harm, but it's not easy.
0:16:32 > 0:16:35Many are only in for a short stay, so there's a constant turnover.
0:16:35 > 0:16:39Senior officer Mark Stroud currently has three prisoners
0:16:39 > 0:16:41who he knows are at risk.
0:16:41 > 0:16:45Danny is one of them. He's been inside for three months.
0:16:45 > 0:16:48He's trusted and has a job with Big Sam in the laundry section,
0:16:48 > 0:16:50where he's proved to be a good worker.
0:16:50 > 0:16:52Danny's currently on an ACCT book
0:16:52 > 0:16:54and he has a history of self harming by cutting,
0:16:54 > 0:16:57and by his own admission he does it as a coping strategy.
0:16:57 > 0:17:02The ACCT book system is designed to minimise distress amongst prisoners,
0:17:02 > 0:17:04and hopefully to avert any crisis.
0:17:04 > 0:17:06Take a seat, now.
0:17:06 > 0:17:09As well as the book itself, which officers use to log
0:17:09 > 0:17:13an individual's behaviour, they hold frequent review meetings,
0:17:13 > 0:17:16attended by the prisoner, to assess the level of care.
0:17:16 > 0:17:19We're here today to review your ACCT book.
0:17:20 > 0:17:25I know we spoke about it last night, but to give a bit of history,
0:17:25 > 0:17:31you cut yourself to act as a stress relief, as such.
0:17:31 > 0:17:34You told me you'd been doing this since you were 12 years old,
0:17:34 > 0:17:37so whether you were inside of prison or outside of prison,
0:17:37 > 0:17:38you would still be doing it.
0:17:39 > 0:17:42OK? It's been open for some time, your ACCT book, now.
0:17:42 > 0:17:44I have closed it in the past,
0:17:44 > 0:17:48but you've then self-harmed again, all right?
0:17:48 > 0:17:51You've had a stable period for the last couple of weeks,
0:17:51 > 0:17:53and when I spoke to you last night,
0:17:53 > 0:17:56my intention was to talk about closing this book.
0:17:58 > 0:18:00But then you produce a note pad
0:18:00 > 0:18:02where you've been writing down your thoughts,
0:18:02 > 0:18:04which completely changed my view at that time.
0:18:04 > 0:18:06Could you just explain
0:18:06 > 0:18:08what you've been doing with this notebook, to start with?
0:18:15 > 0:18:17OK. And does that help at all?
0:18:19 > 0:18:21There's some quite dark stuff in there
0:18:21 > 0:18:26where you've talked about self-harm, and possibly ending things.
0:18:26 > 0:18:29Um... Do you want to end things?
0:18:38 > 0:18:40- OK.- There's one thing that's come up, now.
0:18:40 > 0:18:43There's a chance of you going to a bail hostel.
0:18:44 > 0:18:46Now, how do you feel about that?
0:18:46 > 0:18:47- Happy.- Yeah?
0:18:48 > 0:18:52OK. Now, obviously the bail hostel have got concerns
0:18:52 > 0:18:54with regarding your self-harm.
0:18:54 > 0:18:57A bail hostel can't take anyone who's on the ACCT book,
0:18:57 > 0:19:01so Danny wants to come off it as soon as he can.
0:19:01 > 0:19:02What I would suggest
0:19:02 > 0:19:05is eventually, over the next, maybe, seven to ten days,
0:19:05 > 0:19:10is look at closing this ACCT document as we go along, yeah?
0:19:10 > 0:19:13You're shaking your head, Dan. What's the matter?
0:19:14 > 0:19:16- In what sense?- Well...
0:19:18 > 0:19:19No, you've got to tell us.
0:19:19 > 0:19:21See, my concern now is,
0:19:21 > 0:19:24you've had a bit of bad news and you've gone introvert.
0:19:29 > 0:19:33Danny, if I was doing a review today, and that diary wasn't there,
0:19:33 > 0:19:35and you were on hourly observations in the daytime,
0:19:35 > 0:19:37I wouldn't shut this document anyway.
0:19:37 > 0:19:39What I'm suggesting, with everyone's agreement,
0:19:39 > 0:19:41is that we meet halfway, OK?
0:19:41 > 0:19:43We keep the diary going, reduce the observations
0:19:43 > 0:19:46- and do another case review in two days.- Yep.
0:19:46 > 0:19:47Thank you.
0:19:47 > 0:19:50Over Danny's objections, the staff are going to delay
0:19:50 > 0:19:52the decision on the bail hostel
0:19:52 > 0:19:55and keep a very close eye on him for the next few days.
0:19:56 > 0:19:59My only fear with that review is that Danny's going to go inward now
0:19:59 > 0:20:05rather than express his feelings as he has been by writing them down.
0:20:05 > 0:20:06Um...
0:20:06 > 0:20:09He wasn't that happy at the end of it,
0:20:09 > 0:20:12but we do have a duty of care with all prisoners,
0:20:12 > 0:20:16and we do have to address some very poignant problems they may have.
0:20:16 > 0:20:17So, that's it. In two days' time
0:20:17 > 0:20:20we'll review him again and see how he's feeling.
0:20:25 > 0:20:26It's a few days later,
0:20:26 > 0:20:30and Danny's had some good news from senior officer Mark Stroud.
0:20:30 > 0:20:34Um, they kind of told me that I was off my ACCT book,
0:20:34 > 0:20:36so that was good.
0:20:36 > 0:20:41Getting things sorted, now. Sort of... Much better.
0:20:41 > 0:20:44People working together.
0:20:44 > 0:20:45It's good.
0:20:45 > 0:20:49His, uh...outlook on life's a lot better.
0:20:49 > 0:20:53He still has thoughts of self-harming,
0:20:53 > 0:20:57but he has these thoughts every day, even when he's outside of prison,
0:20:57 > 0:20:59so we've decided to close his ACCT book.
0:20:59 > 0:21:02He's still writing his thoughts down,
0:21:02 > 0:21:05and his manager in the CS sees those thoughts every day
0:21:05 > 0:21:09and if thoughts are getting more and more dark, shall we say,
0:21:09 > 0:21:11he's then to liaise with me.
0:21:15 > 0:21:18So, Mark, how is he feeling? And what's happened since?
0:21:18 > 0:21:23OK. Since we last spoke about him, he's had his ACCT book closed.
0:21:23 > 0:21:26He is feeling a lot better in himself.
0:21:26 > 0:21:28He's had ups and downs, don't get me wrong,
0:21:28 > 0:21:30but we've supported him through them.
0:21:30 > 0:21:33Hopefully, in a couple of weeks, he'll get out of prison.
0:21:33 > 0:21:35- That's great news.- Yeah, it is.
0:21:35 > 0:21:38Now, as a Senior Officer, the biggest job for you, of course,
0:21:38 > 0:21:41is taking care of the prisoners whilst they're under your care.
0:21:41 > 0:21:42That's right.
0:21:42 > 0:21:44Self harm, suicide, is a big problem,
0:21:44 > 0:21:47- and you've had experience of that, haven't you?- Yeah.
0:21:47 > 0:21:49A few years back, now,
0:21:49 > 0:21:52a prisoner who worked for me on the wing
0:21:52 > 0:21:54came into prison on an ACCT book,
0:21:54 > 0:21:58and eventually ended up killing himself, unfortunately.
0:21:58 > 0:22:01I never saw it coming. I really didn't.
0:22:01 > 0:22:02It affected me quite badly,
0:22:02 > 0:22:05and it affected the other staff on the wing as well.
0:22:05 > 0:22:07- So it was quite a sad time.- Mm.
0:22:07 > 0:22:09It goes to show, despite the warning signs,
0:22:09 > 0:22:12the fact you're highly trained in these things,
0:22:12 > 0:22:15you can't always tell what they're doing in their cells.
0:22:15 > 0:22:16Not at all.
0:22:16 > 0:22:19We cannot watch them 24 hours a day. Physically impossible.
0:22:21 > 0:22:24So if a prisoner is that desperate to take their own life,
0:22:24 > 0:22:25unfortunately, they will do it.
0:22:25 > 0:22:27- Thanks for talking to us.- Thank you.
0:22:33 > 0:22:35Back at the West Brom and Wolves derby game,
0:22:35 > 0:22:37Wolves spotter PC Dickie Horn
0:22:37 > 0:22:41is on the look-out for some known troublemakers.
0:22:41 > 0:22:43Where you going to, gentlemen?
0:22:44 > 0:22:46- You got tickets for the game?- Yeah.
0:22:46 > 0:22:48Show me your tickets, then. Come over here.
0:22:48 > 0:22:51It's Dickie's job to make sure no-one who's banned
0:22:51 > 0:22:52gets near the grounds.
0:22:52 > 0:22:55- And how are you getting to the game? - Tram.- On the tram.
0:22:55 > 0:22:58'There's one of our risk element, older risk element,
0:22:58 > 0:23:02'who came off his football ban at midnight last night.'
0:23:02 > 0:23:06And he's already phoned up yesterday to clarify
0:23:06 > 0:23:08that he can go to the game today.
0:23:08 > 0:23:10And we have already spoken to him
0:23:10 > 0:23:12and he states that he is going to the game,
0:23:12 > 0:23:15and that he is in the back of the pub just up the road there,
0:23:15 > 0:23:16Tap and Spile.
0:23:16 > 0:23:22Banning orders came into being in '86, following the Heysel tragedy.
0:23:22 > 0:23:24They're a vital weapon in the police armoury.
0:23:24 > 0:23:27Two different sorts - a criminal banning order,
0:23:27 > 0:23:30which means if they commit a football-related offence,
0:23:30 > 0:23:31or an offence linked to football,
0:23:31 > 0:23:34we can apply to the courts for them to get a ban,
0:23:34 > 0:23:37and also not attend the town or city or the area
0:23:37 > 0:23:40where their team are playing away from home.
0:23:40 > 0:23:44For those individuals that don't necessarily go far enough to get arrested,
0:23:44 > 0:23:48but who we know are actively engaged in organising violence,
0:23:48 > 0:23:51we will target those individuals
0:23:51 > 0:23:53and apply to the court for a civil banning order.
0:23:53 > 0:23:56And Dickie has just come across one of his banned supporters.
0:23:56 > 0:24:00He's left the Moon and gone round to the Tap and Spile.
0:24:00 > 0:24:02He's come across...
0:24:02 > 0:24:05He's been come across by one of our other crews
0:24:05 > 0:24:11who were out earlier, and apparently he's been a bit vocal,
0:24:11 > 0:24:14causing a bit of a disturbance.
0:24:14 > 0:24:15I've had two drinks.
0:24:15 > 0:24:19- I've gone to the bookies and you grabbed me.- That's enough for you.
0:24:19 > 0:24:20Enough for me?.
0:24:20 > 0:24:24This fan's ban only prevents him from attending the game,
0:24:24 > 0:24:27but he could now find himself also on a Section 27 ban,
0:24:27 > 0:24:30keeping him out of the whole area.
0:24:30 > 0:24:33These are used if we believe the person has been in drink
0:24:33 > 0:24:37and potentially causing disorder or has antisocial behaviour,
0:24:37 > 0:24:40i.e. He's mouthing off in the street.
0:24:40 > 0:24:43You've been in the Moon Under Water
0:24:43 > 0:24:46when I checked you at 8:15 this morning.
0:24:46 > 0:24:49So you've been out for over two hours, drinking. You've had more than two pints.
0:24:49 > 0:24:51MAN JEERS
0:24:51 > 0:24:55Locking people up is not always the end and be all of everything.
0:24:55 > 0:24:59We can say, "Look, don't be an idiot. You've had one two many, son.
0:24:59 > 0:25:00"Here's a form, off you go."
0:25:00 > 0:25:04Cos they may be good, decent people, just had one too many beers.
0:25:04 > 0:25:07# We hate Albion Say we hate Albion
0:25:07 > 0:25:10# We hate Albion Say we hate Albion... #
0:25:10 > 0:25:12You going to behave yourselves today?
0:25:12 > 0:25:14Eh? What's the matter, Josh?
0:25:14 > 0:25:16- What?- What's the matter?
0:25:18 > 0:25:21I hope you behave yourself after last time, all right?
0:25:21 > 0:25:23Yeah.
0:25:23 > 0:25:27- You do look good, though, now. - Thanks very much. Thank you.
0:25:27 > 0:25:31There's just an hour and half to go till the 12 o'clock kickoff.
0:25:31 > 0:25:33In West Bromwich, Andy is coming across
0:25:33 > 0:25:35plenty of good-natured revelry.
0:25:35 > 0:25:38But he's concerned that he still hasn't located
0:25:38 > 0:25:40the worst of his risk group.
0:25:44 > 0:25:46I don't want you shouting any abuse.
0:25:48 > 0:25:51'It is fairly quiet, yeah.
0:25:51 > 0:25:54'There's not the normal amount of people out that we'd expect.'
0:25:54 > 0:25:56That doesn't mean to say they're not out.
0:25:56 > 0:25:58They're obviously somewhere else,
0:25:58 > 0:26:00which hopefully we'll fall upon before the game.
0:26:03 > 0:26:06PC Dickie Horn is having more luck in Wolverhampton.
0:26:06 > 0:26:09He's found some of his fans in trouble at the tram station.
0:26:11 > 0:26:14- Come on, man, he was swearing... - Oi, oi.
0:26:14 > 0:26:17One of the group has been ordered off the tram for swearing.
0:26:17 > 0:26:19Your behaviour before was disgusting.
0:26:19 > 0:26:21Yeah, he's going to behave himself now.
0:26:21 > 0:26:25His mates are doing their best to get him back on board.
0:26:25 > 0:26:26OK?
0:26:26 > 0:26:30Let him back on, please, mate. Come on.
0:26:31 > 0:26:34'We're firm, but fair, I would say.
0:26:34 > 0:26:35'You know, they know we're about
0:26:35 > 0:26:38'and we're there to stop them committing disorder, crime,'
0:26:38 > 0:26:41and as soon as you know who they are, you can see...
0:26:41 > 0:26:43We go to away games and the look on their faces
0:26:43 > 0:26:46when you walk into the pub that they're in
0:26:46 > 0:26:48and they realise you're about!
0:26:48 > 0:26:50It's getting close to kickoff.
0:26:50 > 0:26:53Time for the spotters to move into the stadium.
0:26:55 > 0:26:57Still to come on Crime And Punishment -
0:26:57 > 0:27:01with seconds to go before that derby clash, the West Midlands Police
0:27:01 > 0:27:05hope all the action will be on the field and not on the terraces.
0:27:05 > 0:27:08But that's where the risk group are, surprisingly enough.
0:27:12 > 0:27:15Every morning, we all decide on what we're going to wear,
0:27:15 > 0:27:19but in prison, that basic right is taken away from you.
0:27:19 > 0:27:22In here, you share shirts, socks and even jocks.
0:27:22 > 0:27:26And it's all issued from the laundry room by Big Sam.
0:27:28 > 0:27:31- Ah, you must be Big Sam. - Hello.- Gethin. Nice to meet you.
0:27:31 > 0:27:32Pleased to meet you.
0:27:32 > 0:27:34So this is the laundry room
0:27:34 > 0:27:37or where you get issued your kit as a prisoner.
0:27:37 > 0:27:39What would I be given when I first arrive?
0:27:39 > 0:27:42You'll get this pack.
0:27:42 > 0:27:44That is enough for seven days.
0:27:44 > 0:27:47Clean kit - two blankets, two sheets, one pillow case,
0:27:47 > 0:27:52two tracksuits, three T-shirts, seven socks, seven boxers,
0:27:52 > 0:27:54- a set of plastics.- Plastics?
0:27:54 > 0:27:57Knife, fork, spoon, cup, plate and dish.
0:27:57 > 0:27:59Obviously, we can't give the boys metals.
0:27:59 > 0:28:02And china plates, or they'll end up smashing and stabbing them.
0:28:02 > 0:28:05So we give them the basics in plastic.
0:28:05 > 0:28:08And you get two toilet rolls. That's fine for you. Yeah.
0:28:08 > 0:28:09But I'd be struggling.
0:28:11 > 0:28:13We give out the greens over there for working,
0:28:13 > 0:28:16like cleaners, painters. We've also got safety boots.
0:28:16 > 0:28:19We ask them to wear the safety boots and the greens
0:28:19 > 0:28:21whilst in the workshops.
0:28:21 > 0:28:25- We have striped shirts, old-fashioned prison shirts. - Yeah, they are.
0:28:25 > 0:28:28Some of our old-school boys prefer that to tracksuit and T-shirts.
0:28:28 > 0:28:32Some prisoners are allowed to wear their own clothes, depending on behaviour?
0:28:32 > 0:28:37Depending on behaviour, yeah, you get boys that are on enhanced -
0:28:37 > 0:28:41they will get their own clothing as long as it's of suitable nature.
0:28:41 > 0:28:44But most prisoners... It cuts down on the bullying aspect.
0:28:44 > 0:28:47Like your nice cardigan, it's not my cup of tea, but...
0:28:47 > 0:28:50- Really?- Yeah. You might get bullied for your cardigan.
0:28:51 > 0:28:56- Because it'd be a form of, like, currency.- Start bartering.- Yeah.
0:28:56 > 0:29:00Boys in here get paid 58 pence a session, £1.16 a day.
0:29:00 > 0:29:01£1.16 a day?
0:29:01 > 0:29:03You look at a packet of tobacco -
0:29:03 > 0:29:07that's over half their wages gone on tobacco alone.
0:29:07 > 0:29:10- What about your phone calls? - Tobacco, phone calls -
0:29:10 > 0:29:12- That's your weekly wage gone. - Gone. Yeah.
0:29:12 > 0:29:14If you've got no support from family or friends,
0:29:14 > 0:29:16you've got no money, is that when...
0:29:16 > 0:29:18maybe the bartering starts, the haggling,
0:29:18 > 0:29:20possibly even the bullying.
0:29:20 > 0:29:23There are anti-bullying policies and strategies
0:29:23 > 0:29:25that we do try and keep in place,
0:29:25 > 0:29:30but you'll appreciate we can't be all over the place all the time.
0:29:30 > 0:29:33And it's obvious that you guys, the officers,
0:29:33 > 0:29:37obviously have a good look-out and try and take care of the prisoners.
0:29:37 > 0:29:42However, it just proves that it's nowhere near an easy ride here, is it?
0:29:42 > 0:29:43Far from it.
0:29:43 > 0:29:46People say it's like a holiday camp.
0:29:46 > 0:29:47No.
0:29:47 > 0:29:50- Is it all new kit for a prisoner? - No.
0:29:50 > 0:29:52- It's all recycled? - Yeah.- Right, OK.
0:29:52 > 0:29:55It's like, what you've got on today, that kit there,
0:29:55 > 0:29:58you'll have this week, and then in two weeks, it'll be on someone else's back.
0:29:58 > 0:30:02- Really? - Like, even your boxers and socks.
0:30:02 > 0:30:04Your plastics. Here you go.
0:30:04 > 0:30:06As you can see, it's been used before.
0:30:08 > 0:30:11Obviously, that cup is just one the boys' drunk out of.
0:30:11 > 0:30:13But the plate has been recycled,
0:30:13 > 0:30:16it's been sanitised and cleaned and everything.
0:30:16 > 0:30:18It's just... It's just...
0:30:18 > 0:30:20all the privileges are taken away.
0:30:20 > 0:30:24You know, all the things you take for granted outside,
0:30:24 > 0:30:27like nice toilet paper or a knife and fork.
0:30:27 > 0:30:30- It's just gone.- Yeah, it is like a different world in here.
0:30:30 > 0:30:34The washing machine room. Two machines - two washers, two dryers.
0:30:34 > 0:30:36We wash here what we are short on.
0:30:37 > 0:30:40- Are these on the go all the time? - If there's staff in here, yeah.
0:30:40 > 0:30:44Out the back is where they do the sorting out of the dirty clothing.
0:30:44 > 0:30:47This is what's already been counted today, sorted today.
0:30:47 > 0:30:49That's come from the weekend.
0:30:49 > 0:30:52Ooh. What do you have to do with this?
0:30:52 > 0:30:56All this is going to get picked up on Wednesday afternoon,
0:30:56 > 0:30:59taken up to Leyhill. That'll get washed there properly.
0:30:59 > 0:31:03- As you can imagine, the boxer shorts are starting to fester now.- Yeah.
0:31:03 > 0:31:07It's not good. Socks, that's the job that I hate the most, the socks.
0:31:07 > 0:31:09- Don't touch them.- That's all right.
0:31:09 > 0:31:12- It's just been worn a couple of times.- Yeah.
0:31:12 > 0:31:16So do you fancy coming back in tomorrow, doing a shift out here?
0:31:16 > 0:31:1758 pence.
0:31:18 > 0:31:22I think I'm going to try and behave myself.
0:31:22 > 0:31:23Yeah.
0:31:26 > 0:31:29Over the last year, nearly 4.5 million crimes were
0:31:29 > 0:31:30recorded in England and Wales.
0:31:30 > 0:31:33And police seized an enormous amount of property.
0:31:33 > 0:31:36Here's just some of it, piled up high to the ceiling.
0:31:36 > 0:31:39It has all got to be kept as evidence.
0:31:39 > 0:31:42- The person in charge of that is Karen. Busy already?- Hello.
0:31:42 > 0:31:46What sort of things do you have here? We can see suitcases, what sort of things do you find?
0:31:46 > 0:31:48Well, there is an array of things.
0:31:48 > 0:31:54You can see videotapes, clothing, mobile phones, you name it,
0:31:54 > 0:31:56we have usually got it here somewhere.
0:31:56 > 0:31:59And you have to keep it, because this could be potentially crucial?
0:31:59 > 0:32:03Yes, these are kept here as evidence for the court case.
0:32:03 > 0:32:06Once the court case is over, when the officer decides what to do with it.
0:32:06 > 0:32:09Whether we return it to owners, or we get rid of it for the officer.
0:32:09 > 0:32:13So it will stay here until that time, it could be months or years.
0:32:13 > 0:32:18- And also lots of CCTV as well. - Lots of CCTV, yes. We have to keep hold of this as well
0:32:18 > 0:32:21until the officer says we can get rid of it.
0:32:21 > 0:32:22Then it is securely shredded.
0:32:22 > 0:32:27What is the strangest thing that you have ever had to look after?
0:32:27 > 0:32:29- We have had a false limb handed in. - You have?
0:32:29 > 0:32:33- I have no idea how that happened, but...- It really has happened?
0:32:33 > 0:32:37Yes, somebody has taken the trouble to come into the police station.
0:32:37 > 0:32:42And also, something that has changed over the years is this. I can't believe how many you've got!
0:32:42 > 0:32:44Yes, I know, there are thousands of mobile phones.
0:32:44 > 0:32:48Many of these will have been seized as evidence, won't they?
0:32:48 > 0:32:51They will have been lost by someone, seized from somebody
0:32:51 > 0:32:54and they all end up here.
0:32:54 > 0:32:57As I say, these will be securely disposed of as well.
0:32:57 > 0:33:00- Because there is data on it?- Because you don't want anyone getting
0:33:00 > 0:33:07hold of your mobile with your details. So if no owner is traced, they will be crushed.
0:33:07 > 0:33:11- Crushed and recycled? - They will be recycled.
0:33:11 > 0:33:17- It's a great shame, really.- It is a bit of a shame. Thank you very much anyway.
0:33:20 > 0:33:23The football match we have been reporting on is about to start
0:33:23 > 0:33:27and you would think that finding known troublemakers in a crowd of 25,000 fans
0:33:27 > 0:33:30would be like searching for a needle in a haystack.
0:33:30 > 0:33:32But today, thanks to cutting-edge technology,
0:33:32 > 0:33:37West Midlands Police have an eye on things like never before.
0:33:41 > 0:33:45CROWD CHANTS
0:33:45 > 0:33:49In the control room at the football ground, there is another team dedicated
0:33:49 > 0:33:51to keeping everyone at the match safe.
0:33:51 > 0:33:56Inspector Howard Lewis-Jones, head of the police football unit,
0:33:56 > 0:34:00is working closely with the club's safety officer, Mark Miles.
0:34:00 > 0:34:04These days, the football clubs themselves take safety very seriously.
0:34:04 > 0:34:10Thanks to his spotters on the ground, Howard knows exactly where all the potential troublemakers are.
0:34:11 > 0:34:16He's got a ticket. He can come in. We know where he is.
0:34:16 > 0:34:20Splendid. It has got to be a first at the moment. No arrests.
0:34:20 > 0:34:22From this position, high above the ground,
0:34:22 > 0:34:25Howard has an excellent view of the inside of the stadium.
0:34:25 > 0:34:29But it's today's state-of-the-art technology that really puts him
0:34:29 > 0:34:31one step ahead.
0:34:31 > 0:34:33It is a world away from policing in the '80s.
0:34:36 > 0:34:39The cameras have been put in place by the football club.
0:34:39 > 0:34:44We are focusing predominantly on the away fans and the divide between the home and away fans.
0:34:44 > 0:34:49But the nice thing about this camera is that not only can we look at it live,
0:34:49 > 0:34:51we can zoom in it retrospectively.
0:34:51 > 0:34:55For example, if a smoke bomb is set off on the away fans,
0:34:55 > 0:35:00more often than not, the first you would see of it on the cameras would be a plume of smoke.
0:35:00 > 0:35:04You'd miss the person taking it out of their pocket, lighting it and waving it around.
0:35:04 > 0:35:08We can go in, zoom in retrospectively and hopefully get a positive ID.
0:35:09 > 0:35:13Just five minutes to kickoff, the fans are being carefully monitored
0:35:13 > 0:35:15and searched as they arrive at the ground.
0:35:15 > 0:35:19And Howard is moving his officers into position inside.
0:35:19 > 0:35:22Bronze 170, 170.
0:35:23 > 0:35:30I'm going to need one of your serials to come into the ground onto the home side.
0:35:30 > 0:35:34The home side of the divide. Could you let me know which one, please?
0:35:34 > 0:35:37We've got another serial coming into here. Very soon you'll have 25,
0:35:37 > 0:35:4125, 25 in the corner, and 25 across there.
0:35:45 > 0:35:48Tension continues to build as the game gets under way.
0:35:48 > 0:35:52CROWD ROARS
0:35:52 > 0:35:56The terraces erupt as West Brom score. It is a critical moment.
0:35:56 > 0:35:59Howard makes sure that the highest level of command,
0:35:59 > 0:36:03Silver Command in a separate police control room, is aware.
0:36:03 > 0:36:07Can you let Silver know, 1-0 West Brom as well. Makes a difference.
0:36:08 > 0:36:14Just for your information, the stewards will be going into the corner, just to make sure there
0:36:14 > 0:36:19are not any smoke bombs that have been left on the floor, discarded.
0:36:19 > 0:36:22So if you do see them going in there, that is what they are doing.
0:36:22 > 0:36:24It's all under control.
0:36:31 > 0:36:36The match continues. They are keeping a careful watch on the known troublemakers, just in case.
0:36:37 > 0:36:43Yes, thank you. For your information, that is where the risk fans from West Brom currently are.
0:36:43 > 0:36:45That is where we anticipate there will be trouble
0:36:45 > 0:36:48if there is going to be any.
0:36:49 > 0:36:50That has done it!
0:36:52 > 0:36:54That was a good goal.
0:36:55 > 0:36:57Howard's prediction is right.
0:36:57 > 0:37:00No sooner has a second goal been scored, when smoke can be seen
0:37:00 > 0:37:04rising from the corner where the risk supporters are.
0:37:06 > 0:37:10The police and stewards act quickly to deal with the disturbance.
0:37:12 > 0:37:14Yes, we have got it on camera.
0:37:14 > 0:37:17CROWD CHANT
0:37:20 > 0:37:22Can we make sure the camera's on it?
0:37:22 > 0:37:25Because we are going to be arresting someone in a minute.
0:37:28 > 0:37:31Yeah, the flare was taken away straightaway by one of the stewards.
0:37:31 > 0:37:36We are just trying to find out whether we can identify from the stewards...
0:37:36 > 0:37:39That is where the risk group are. Surprisingly enough.
0:37:40 > 0:37:43Unfortunately, this time, the culprit has managed
0:37:43 > 0:37:47to let off the smoke bomb unseen by the stewards and police.
0:37:47 > 0:37:49He hasn't, though, considered the cameras.
0:37:49 > 0:37:52If he is a known hooligan, he will soon be in custody.
0:37:52 > 0:37:55But they will need some time to scrutinise the footage.
0:37:57 > 0:38:00The match is soon over.
0:38:00 > 0:38:03Yeah, just for your information, the stewards are going to start
0:38:03 > 0:38:04pushing people away on the home side,
0:38:04 > 0:38:09so they have to go away from the actual divide to exit the stadium.
0:38:09 > 0:38:11Just for your information.
0:38:16 > 0:38:20Once the fans are out of the stadium, the control room starts to relax.
0:38:20 > 0:38:21Two arrests.
0:38:21 > 0:38:24One with a smoke bomb, which is good.
0:38:24 > 0:38:26And one at the end, taken out from the Wolves side.
0:38:26 > 0:38:29I'm assuming it was constant,
0:38:29 > 0:38:32perpetual, gesticulating, public order type issues.
0:38:32 > 0:38:34In recent years, what we have seen
0:38:34 > 0:38:37is that degree of violence that's occurred at football matches
0:38:37 > 0:38:41has got less and less as each season has progressed.
0:38:41 > 0:38:46And I'm pleased that the result of this particular fixture, things have improved again.
0:38:46 > 0:38:50Only two arrests made, only one person ejected.
0:38:50 > 0:38:54No real issues of significance. So, very, very pleased, very successful event.
0:39:02 > 0:39:04Now, I love a bit of cycling, but when it comes to
0:39:04 > 0:39:06bike maintenance I'm far from an expert,
0:39:06 > 0:39:11but here in the unlikely setting of Bristol Prison
0:39:11 > 0:39:14there's a workshop of blokes who know all about putting a bike together.
0:39:14 > 0:39:18Poppy, I was not expecting to see this in a prison.
0:39:18 > 0:39:21What exactly is happening here?
0:39:21 > 0:39:25Lifecycle is working with the prison to give inmates
0:39:25 > 0:39:29interesting things to do with their time here.
0:39:29 > 0:39:32The project we are running is about refurbishing old bikes.
0:39:32 > 0:39:35So we are getting old bikes, bringing them here,
0:39:35 > 0:39:37and teaching them how to fix them up.
0:39:37 > 0:39:40Then we're taking them out and selling them
0:39:40 > 0:39:44to people on low incomes who want to get cycling.
0:39:44 > 0:39:47So it is about refurbishing bikes, it is reducing waste, it is getting
0:39:47 > 0:39:50more people cycling, which is good for the environment.
0:39:50 > 0:39:54But above all, it is about giving people here an opportunity
0:39:54 > 0:39:57to learn skills that are really useful.
0:39:57 > 0:40:02You must have 40, maybe 50 bikes in the workshop at the moment.
0:40:02 > 0:40:04- Where did they come from?- Well, the public donates them.
0:40:04 > 0:40:10Basically, we put out appeals in the local paper and on our website.
0:40:10 > 0:40:14And we get some from large organisations. We get some from the police.
0:40:14 > 0:40:18- From the police as well?- Yeah, they come from all over the place.
0:40:18 > 0:40:21What kind of response have you had from these guys behind me?
0:40:21 > 0:40:28I think... They tell me that they really enjoy being given that opportunity to use their brains.
0:40:28 > 0:40:33It is rewarding, it is meaningful, it involves problem-solving.
0:40:33 > 0:40:38It is not just putting something in plastic bags and sealing them.
0:40:38 > 0:40:41It's much more involved than that.
0:40:41 > 0:40:43In terms of the bigger picture,
0:40:43 > 0:40:47do you think doing this in this workshop, working every day, helps them
0:40:47 > 0:40:52when they leave the prison and go back into the real world?
0:40:52 > 0:40:58Well, I really hope so. This is teaching them a really useful skill.
0:40:58 > 0:41:01Some of them, I'm sure, will go out and get jobs.
0:41:01 > 0:41:04- Have they got the cycling bug? - I think so.
0:41:04 > 0:41:07The problem is that they are not allowed to cycle!
0:41:07 > 0:41:10- I mean, there is no...- They are not allowed to cycle in prison?
0:41:10 > 0:41:13- In the prison, yes. You can see there is no...- What about after?
0:41:13 > 0:41:16Do they have a desire to get on their bikes, after?
0:41:16 > 0:41:19They have certainly got the mechanic bug.
0:41:19 > 0:41:24And then the cycling bug will lead on from there.
0:41:26 > 0:41:31That's it from us for today. Join us again for more Crime And Punishment. Goodbye.
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