North East and Cumbria

:00:16. > :00:25.Everyone has a view on how the streets should be policed. In just

:00:25. > :00:29.over a week's Tyne, the way the police operate will change forever.

:00:29. > :00:34.That is when we elect brand-new police and crime commissioners and

:00:34. > :00:38.threw them we will get the chance to decide how the police deal with

:00:38. > :00:43.everything. Under-age drinking, graffiti, right through to gun

:00:43. > :00:49.crime. Tonight, we will explain the idea and look at how it might work,

:00:49. > :00:59.and discuss the issues that affect you. This is Police Elections: Time

:00:59. > :01:09.

:01:09. > :01:13.Millions of us across England and Wales are being given a choice.

:01:13. > :01:16.Could we want to be the police and Prime Commissioner? Who do we want

:01:16. > :01:20.to decide the strategy of how safe our streets are, to look after

:01:20. > :01:26.victims? Why should we go to the polls on a November night under

:01:26. > :01:30.these controversial conditions? The police and Crown Commissioners,

:01:30. > :01:34.will they really make a difference? And what effect will be changes

:01:34. > :01:41.have where you live? Tonight, we're looking at what these elections

:01:41. > :01:44.mean for all of us. In the north- east, anti-social behaviour is

:01:44. > :01:49.ruining lives, but can a police commissioner really make the

:01:49. > :01:56.streets any safer? We were here from the four candidates competing

:01:56. > :02:01.for top job. -- we will hear. the next half-hour, we're going to

:02:01. > :02:06.be looking at what difference these police commissioners are going to

:02:06. > :02:10.make. Later, we will be asking, are the candidates about their going in

:02:10. > :02:14.the right direction? The guests tonight include Shami Chakrabarti

:02:14. > :02:19.from Liberty, he thinks it is a disastrous idea. And Lord

:02:19. > :02:22.Westermann, who helped to site the plan. -- design the plan. But what

:02:22. > :02:27.will these commissioners be responsible for? For a start, they

:02:27. > :02:29.will be able to hire and fire a chief constable and they will have

:02:29. > :02:34.to deliver a five-year police and crime plan and come up with the

:02:34. > :02:39.Budget. And they will have to regularly consult us on the way the

:02:39. > :02:42.police the streets. And they might also be able to extend their

:02:42. > :02:47.influence into how justice is administered through the courts as

:02:47. > :02:50.well. These characters will be managing multi-million-pound

:02:50. > :02:55.organisations. They will be developing a plan that covers

:02:55. > :03:04.populations of millions within one police force area. It is a huge

:03:04. > :03:07.task. Riz Lateef has been trying to find out what the job is about. The

:03:07. > :03:12.police have to manage all types of crime, whether it is violent crime

:03:12. > :03:15.in the City or anti-social behaviour in the countryside. The

:03:15. > :03:20.Government's advertising campaign is hard hitting but the police and

:03:20. > :03:27.crime commissioner will have to tap into people's everyday concerns.

:03:27. > :03:32.The gangs that hang around in the park. Police do not have speed

:03:32. > :03:36.tests. More bobbies on the beat. The crime Commission has job is to

:03:36. > :03:41.look at Ablett -- is to listen to the public. The candidates are

:03:41. > :03:47.route making their promises to win votes. Once in office, they may

:03:47. > :03:50.discover how complex policing is, with conflicting demands. In

:03:50. > :03:58.Middlesbrough, anti-social behaviour takes up the most police

:03:58. > :04:02.time. Ron has suffered 10 years of abuse, including two petrol bomb

:04:02. > :04:06.attacks on his home. He knows exactly what he wants from the new

:04:06. > :04:13.police and crime commissioner. need to sort out the estate, with

:04:13. > :04:18.more police on the beat. Without that, people will suffer more. We

:04:18. > :04:21.need to target the people who are causing the trouble. Police on the

:04:21. > :04:26.beat me reassure people that their communities are safe, but deploying

:04:26. > :04:33.them everywhere, all the time, is impossible. Different crimes need

:04:33. > :04:36.different policing. In this town, crime is relatively low. The

:04:36. > :04:40.bobbies on the beat are not a priority, but recently the village

:04:40. > :04:46.post office had its cash machine stolen. People around here still

:04:46. > :04:50.want their fair share of policing. Two doors down, Karen's property

:04:50. > :04:56.has been broken into twice. She is concerned that rural areas will be

:04:56. > :05:00.overlooked by the police and crime permission. -- police and crime

:05:00. > :05:04.commissioner. My concern is the commissioner might think that petty

:05:04. > :05:10.crime as it is labelled does not matter, but it does matter to

:05:10. > :05:15.people, especially in rural areas. If somebody takes your trailer or

:05:15. > :05:21.your bike or they break into your shed, it affects those people. And

:05:21. > :05:24.we pay our taxes, too, and we matter. It is up to the crime

:05:25. > :05:28.Commissioner to listen and deliver can be seen -- deliver policing

:05:28. > :05:33.relevant to you, and with limited resources. That is not the only

:05:33. > :05:36.challenge. There is the tricky issue of personalities. The crime

:05:36. > :05:40.commissioner will set the priorities for a chief constable.

:05:40. > :05:47.How will they get on and can they agree on how to achieve what the

:05:47. > :05:51.public wants to see? A reduction in crime. Keith is a former Chief

:05:51. > :05:55.Constable and he knows how tough that job is. He thinks the job of

:05:55. > :05:59.the new police and crime commissioner will be even harder.

:05:59. > :06:02.It is enormously challenging because the individual will need to

:06:02. > :06:06.understand the police service. They will need to have a lot of

:06:06. > :06:09.political nous and they will need to know how to run an enormous

:06:09. > :06:14.organisation. They won the two have the confidence of the public and

:06:14. > :06:23.media. It is an impossible task for any individual to do that. Strong

:06:23. > :06:26.words, Gordon Wasserman. It is a virtually impossible task? He is

:06:27. > :06:33.talking about managing the police force, the chief constable will

:06:33. > :06:36.manage the police force. The PCC is not managing, he is a political

:06:36. > :06:40.leader who will look at decisions about priorities and identified

:06:40. > :06:45.policing needs, but he is not going to be managing the force on a day-

:06:45. > :06:50.to-day basis. There is a management team, a chief constable, and they

:06:50. > :06:55.had been trained and paid for that. That is their job. At the beginning

:06:55. > :06:59.of this programme, there was talking about -- there was talk

:06:59. > :07:02.about changing police operations. This will not affect police

:07:02. > :07:06.operations unless the Chief Constable wants them to change. It

:07:06. > :07:09.is about priorities and focusing on people's needs, identifying those

:07:09. > :07:13.needs and making sure the Chief Constable meets them. Power to the

:07:13. > :07:18.people? It is power to another elected politician and I think we

:07:18. > :07:23.have seen too much political interference in policing and law

:07:23. > :07:27.and order. How can you argue against democracy? Democracy is not

:07:27. > :07:32.just about having elections. The elected politicians are not the

:07:32. > :07:35.only people with authority in a democracy. You also have to have

:07:35. > :07:39.the rule of law. Politicians set the laws and they decide what

:07:39. > :07:43.police powers are and what the crimes are but you need independent

:07:43. > :07:47.professionals who serve the whole community, whether they photon they

:07:47. > :07:52.do not. Young, old, minorities as well as popular majorities. I

:07:52. > :08:00.wonder that this charismatic local politician, if that is who he is,

:08:00. > :08:04.will -- and it will normally be a man, rather than a police authority.

:08:04. > :08:07.A There are few female standing. worry that this politician will be

:08:07. > :08:15.looking for the headlines and the popular courses and not serving the

:08:15. > :08:17.needs of the community, no matter how vulnerable. By do not agree. I

:08:17. > :08:22.think Members of Parliament serve their communities when they are

:08:22. > :08:28.elected. I think the mayor serves the whole of the community of

:08:28. > :08:33.London. I do not think we need to worry about PCCs neglecting their

:08:33. > :08:37.communities. But the public want the lot to be administered evenly.

:08:37. > :08:40.They do not want elected judges and they do not want police chiefs to

:08:40. > :08:45.be elected. We polled the public last year about whether they wanted

:08:45. > :08:52.the system or whether they would prefer the existing system, with a

:08:52. > :08:56.chief constable and a police authority, and 65% of the people

:08:56. > :09:00.polled said they would rather stick with the status quo. Only 15% said

:09:00. > :09:04.they would trust elected politician over the chief constable under the

:09:04. > :09:08.existing system. You are on the record as saying that it may well

:09:08. > :09:15.be a low turnout and you accept that. You have also said that

:09:15. > :09:18.people do not understand the concept of this role. And you say

:09:18. > :09:22.that actually it is the election after this one that will be River

:09:22. > :09:27.significant, so what are the next four years going to be, a pilot?

:09:28. > :09:30.The next four years are a period where the PCCs begin to make a

:09:30. > :09:35.difference in their communities. Members of those communities will

:09:35. > :09:41.begin to realise that the PCC is someone who can make a difference

:09:41. > :09:45.to their lives. Suddenly you will realise that whereas now no one has

:09:45. > :09:50.heard of PCCs, and they regard something -- they regard crime as

:09:50. > :09:53.something that is done to them rather than something they control.

:09:53. > :09:57.But what is this transformation he will make? You cannot have both

:09:57. > :10:02.ways if he does not interfere. believe in inspirational leadership

:10:02. > :10:07.and a belief that a PCC can get a more effective police force by

:10:07. > :10:16.inspiring and leading and supporting the chief constable.

:10:16. > :10:23.This is not a conflict. Let us talk about the practical, at

:10:23. > :10:27.Hillsborough. Jenny, you have lost two lovely children. I wonder it

:10:27. > :10:31.you feel that if you had had a police and crime Commission

:10:31. > :10:37.answerable to folks like yourself, which you have felt voiceless for

:10:37. > :10:41.so long? The current system does not appear to have worked. Some of

:10:41. > :10:45.the decisions that will local police authorities are not making

:10:45. > :10:51.have not worked for us. Certain people should have been suspended

:10:51. > :10:55.because of allegations about them. It did not happen. You think a PCC,

:10:55. > :11:01.because he is answerable to people and get kicked out after four years,

:11:01. > :11:05.that would have been a better situation? I would hope so. I would

:11:05. > :11:11.hope there will be more transparency. I hope there would be

:11:11. > :11:15.more accountability because they are elected. Peter is a former cop,

:11:15. > :11:19.more transparency, more accountability? Is best -- is this

:11:19. > :11:24.a possibility? I think it depends. Politicians are not unknown for

:11:25. > :11:28.deciding not to open up and be transparent. It is not a given that

:11:28. > :11:32.that would necessarily happen. You would have to have other levers to

:11:32. > :11:37.resolve the type of situation that revolves around Hillsborough. There

:11:37. > :11:42.are one or two facets of the new role, and police authorities to at

:11:42. > :11:45.least meet in open public meetings, but not with a huge audience,

:11:45. > :11:51.because they are not wildly interesting, but they are at least

:11:51. > :11:54.public meetings. Most of the decisions taken between the chief

:11:54. > :11:59.and the crime commissioner will be taken in a room with a cup of

:11:59. > :12:02.coffee, so some of that decision making in public might go. There is

:12:02. > :12:05.a big bonus on the individuals to take on this role and make sure

:12:06. > :12:10.that the public transparently see the decisions that are being taken,

:12:10. > :12:15.and they're not just being done in smoke-filled rooms. You could get

:12:15. > :12:18.horrendous personality clashes. is a distinct possibility. Most

:12:18. > :12:28.chiefs will want to make that relationship work so I think it

:12:28. > :12:36.will be unlikely. I can hear what you're saying. I did not realise

:12:36. > :12:40.that it would not be in an open forum. So that is quite worrying.

:12:40. > :12:45.However, I'm coming back to the accountability, being elected by

:12:45. > :12:49.the public. I agree that there should be accountability and that

:12:49. > :12:53.what happened with Hillsborough was a great policing scandal, one of

:12:53. > :12:57.the greatest of my lifetime. The police should have been accountable

:12:57. > :13:04.to the lot. We have had generations of elected politicians, I do but it

:13:04. > :13:09.was people power that force change. A but they were elected politicians,

:13:09. > :13:13.generations of elected politicians. And others who did not deal with

:13:13. > :13:17.this situation. Are you concerned that the police and crime

:13:17. > :13:21.Commissioner may not share your liberal agenda? A not at all. This

:13:21. > :13:25.is a constitutional point. It is not about a liberal agenda or any

:13:25. > :13:29.other agenda. It is about needing checks and balances, and you need

:13:29. > :13:34.independent people as well as political people. I would no more

:13:34. > :13:38.have an elected judge, and if you have an elected judge, Barabbas

:13:38. > :13:46.always walks free, and if you put the Lizard in the hand of the

:13:47. > :13:52.politicians, they do not serve the whole population. I see is

:13:52. > :13:56.completely different life. This is a job which relates to and concerns

:13:56. > :14:00.the allegation of scarce resources. That is a role for politicians.

:14:00. > :14:04.Policing needs are in ferment and resources are limited. Someone has

:14:04. > :14:10.to make that decision. Is it a chief constable who makes the

:14:10. > :14:15.decision or is it a freely elected PCC who has to defend his actions

:14:15. > :14:19.at the polls and every day? The local media will ensure that this

:14:19. > :14:23.is transparent. Thank you all very much for now. Later, we're going to

:14:23. > :14:27.be looking at what the candidates themselves say they are going to do

:14:27. > :14:36.if they are elected. What their priorities are. These commissioners

:14:36. > :14:39.will have a huge effect on where Thanks, Nicky. Here in the North

:14:39. > :14:42.East and Cumbria, crime is down. Yet many communities don't feel any

:14:42. > :14:52.safer. Mark Denten reports from one estate on Teesside where anti-

:14:52. > :14:52.

:14:52. > :14:57.social behaviour continues to ruin Crime statistics are numbers on a

:14:57. > :15:00.map but go to any committee and will find the stories behind them.

:15:00. > :15:07.Dyke House in Hartlepool. Crime is the key issue and nowhere seems

:15:07. > :15:10.sacred. We had �5,500 worth of lead taken from the roof. Before the

:15:10. > :15:13.window guards went on, we used to get everything from six inch bolts

:15:13. > :15:16.to stones through the windows. One during a wedding nearly hit the

:15:16. > :15:19.best man. Raiders came through the roof of Kris's shop. Now he watches

:15:19. > :15:23.his CCTV on his phone nervously. Sometimes I can't sleep at night.

:15:23. > :15:26.Always when I get up I'm still looking at the camera. It make me

:15:26. > :15:29.sad and still always I'm thinking about the business now after that

:15:29. > :15:33.happened. Despite those concerns, crime is actually falling around

:15:33. > :15:39.here. The latest monthly crime totals are down 100 compared to

:15:39. > :15:41.last year. But within a mile of here in just one month there were

:15:41. > :15:48.still over 600 crimes, including over 300 incidents of anti-social

:15:48. > :15:51.behaviour. And Harry has had enough. He is moving out. They come past

:15:51. > :15:54.your house and throw eggs at your doors and windows. With them

:15:54. > :15:57.cutting the budgets, they are cutting the police off their main

:15:57. > :16:02.beat. But they are going to bring a commissioner into a job which will

:16:02. > :16:04.get thousands a year, but they are cutting the front line. But while

:16:04. > :16:08.Harry moves, residents like Margaret feel they have little

:16:08. > :16:12.choice but to stay put, even though she has been burgled. I heard a

:16:12. > :16:16.bang and when I went to the back I found all the glass broken and all

:16:16. > :16:19.my windows and the back door to the lane wide open. We don't see so

:16:19. > :16:22.many police round our area. They think it is better now. But if they

:16:22. > :16:25.don't appear, it will all start again. As night falls, older people

:16:25. > :16:29.like Margaret lock their doors. Teenagers appear on the streets.

:16:29. > :16:32.But they are worried about crime, too. The other day there was just

:16:32. > :16:35.the fighting in the street and I thought, that is something I

:16:35. > :16:38.wouldn't want to happen every day. Do you feel unsafe round here?

:16:38. > :16:42.So there's going to be a police and crime commissioner. What do you

:16:42. > :16:45.want from that person? Just to sort out the teenage abuse, really. All

:16:45. > :16:48.the druggies, the drug dealers, just to really clear them. And

:16:48. > :16:51.whoever gets the new Police and Crime Commissioner jobs will have

:16:51. > :16:54.to deal with those kind of concerns and, of course, work closely with

:16:54. > :16:59.their local police force. We asked Cleveland Police to talk to us but

:16:59. > :17:02.they didn't want to be interviewed. They did say this, though. There

:17:02. > :17:05.have been over 2000 less victims of anti-social behaviour this year

:17:05. > :17:10.compared to last year in Hartlepool, with a decrease in overall crime of

:17:10. > :17:14.9%. Neighbourhood police officers and police community support

:17:14. > :17:17.officers are delivering excellent results. Just one area of just one

:17:17. > :17:26.town with people behind the numbers asking what the new commissioners

:17:26. > :17:29.will do for them. Mark Denten reporting from Hartlepool. The

:17:29. > :17:32.challenge for the new police commissioners will be to help

:17:32. > :17:35.communities like that one. But to do it with fewer officers and less

:17:35. > :17:38.money. Cleveland needs to have saved more than �26 million by 2015.

:17:38. > :17:42.That compares to �19 million in North Yorkshire and �80 million in

:17:42. > :17:45.the Northumbria force. And that will mean cuts in police numbers.

:17:45. > :17:51.Cumbria will lose 7% of its officers by 2015, Durham 9% and a

:17:52. > :17:55.17% drop in Northumbria. So far, crime is falling. Overall, it's

:17:55. > :18:02.down in the region by more than 5% year on year. But can that

:18:02. > :18:05.continue? With me here at Newcastle's Guildhall are the four

:18:05. > :18:07.candidates who want the commissioners' job in our largest

:18:07. > :18:09.force, Northumbria. Former policeman Phil Butler. Barrister

:18:09. > :18:18.and ex-MP, Vera Baird. University academic Peter Andras. And

:18:18. > :18:25.businessman Alastair Baxter. You're publicity talks about thieves and

:18:25. > :18:29.vandals not on my patch. Cheap words but what could you do? They

:18:29. > :18:31.are not cheap words, they are realistic because for many years I

:18:31. > :18:35.was part of the team leading the fight against organised crime in

:18:35. > :18:41.the north-east and this job is very much about leading the fight

:18:41. > :18:44.against crime in the area. My job would be to work with the Chief

:18:44. > :18:48.Constable to give the Chief Constable the tools to do the job

:18:48. > :18:53.and support the police and scrutinise where appropriate and

:18:53. > :18:59.ensure community safety. As a proven crime fighter, that is how I

:18:59. > :19:05.could do this job. Is that not exactly perfect? Tough reputation?

:19:05. > :19:07.The job isn't to fight crime, that is the Chief Constable, it is to

:19:07. > :19:14.represent the public's views and prioritised for the police go to

:19:14. > :19:17.set strategy. I think the real problem with anti-social behaviour

:19:17. > :19:21.is undervalued, the police do with crime but they do not understand

:19:21. > :19:26.well enough that a small thing like stamping on your plants are

:19:26. > :19:29.throwing eggs at a window or driving bicycles passed repeatedly

:19:29. > :19:34.or shouting or kicking balls over the wall amounts to a very

:19:34. > :19:42.undermining course of conduct. They sent somebody out and they don't

:19:42. > :19:46.give any adequate notice. They should say there will always be at

:19:46. > :19:54.24 hour response. Give me one thing you would do to make some

:19:54. > :19:59.difference to these communities? People who behave badly socially,

:19:59. > :20:04.stepping on plants or drink too much, you should make them face the

:20:04. > :20:09.problems that they have cost, explain to them, make them practise

:20:09. > :20:13.a bit in cleaning up the mess that they made. Alastair Baxter, the

:20:13. > :20:19.problem when talking about throwing resources at this, you will not

:20:19. > :20:28.have those resources because money is declining? These are times a

:20:28. > :20:31.decreasing resources, of course. And whichever one of us has this

:20:31. > :20:37.role, we must be responsible for getting it right in terms of the

:20:37. > :20:41.finance. Isn't the problem actually that crime is falling but public

:20:41. > :20:47.perceptions and the fear of crime is the same. You could never square

:20:47. > :20:50.that circle? Crime has come down to record levels and the police part

:20:50. > :20:54.Bishop Sutton a brilliant job so the answer to this is to see what

:20:54. > :21:00.is driving crime and money to tackle other issues, things like

:21:00. > :21:05.alcohol abuse, 50% of crime is down to alcohol. One in six police

:21:05. > :21:10.officers are assaulted because of our holidays. Vera Baird, with a

:21:10. > :21:14.pub on every corner, do we have resources? What is very important

:21:14. > :21:20.his neighbourhood policing. That puts police in the community and

:21:20. > :21:23.puts support officers into the communities and the Tories have a

:21:23. > :21:28.false polarities saying they need frontline police and scrapping

:21:28. > :21:31.bureaucrats. The BCS has done a great role and explain to the

:21:31. > :21:35.police what they need to do and ensuring there is intelligence for

:21:35. > :21:40.the police so early intervention is possible and that hugely helps

:21:40. > :21:49.communication and cuts the fear of crime. When you complain about the

:21:49. > :21:54.resources being cut by the Government that has your party?

:21:54. > :22:00.Resources are decreasing. And we need to steer them into a safe

:22:00. > :22:04.service. We need to work more closely with the voluntary sector

:22:04. > :22:08.and community organisations, we need to get them more involved and

:22:08. > :22:12.we need to have the capacity to collaborate with police and

:22:12. > :22:16.contribute to safe to do his. Alastair Baxter, you say you are a

:22:16. > :22:21.member of the public but don't we need a serious former police

:22:21. > :22:26.officer a politician to make these decisions? I think the other way,

:22:26. > :22:31.this is a huge role to be taken. I do not think that anybody really

:22:31. > :22:36.knows how it shall work out. But you certainly it's somebody with a

:22:36. > :22:39.lot of experience at operating at a very senior level with strategic

:22:39. > :22:45.thought and superb communications skills and all of those things that

:22:45. > :22:50.do go along with a divisional manager with a large corporation.

:22:50. > :22:53.Thank you. We can see who was standing in your area by going to

:22:53. > :23:03.the website. And from tomorrow morning, follow all the debates on

:23:03. > :23:06.

:23:06. > :23:11.all of your local radio stations. There are 193 candidates standing

:23:11. > :23:16.in these elections and each has to produce a statement about what they

:23:16. > :23:19.want to achieve. We have all of them here. Some mention their

:23:19. > :23:23.military background and some talk about their former role with the

:23:23. > :23:28.police authority and here are the actual words they use most often...

:23:29. > :23:34.The bigger they are, the more commonly they appear. Crime gets

:23:34. > :23:39.hundreds of mentions, 60 references to drugs and out of 55,000 words,

:23:39. > :23:45.only 30 uses of the word alcohol when 40% of crime is fuelled by

:23:45. > :23:50.this. One phrase that has come in days anti-social behaviour,

:23:50. > :23:55.mentioned 117 times and that is the sort of everyday low level nuisance

:23:55. > :24:03.crime that so many of us suffer from and Ashley, you have suffered

:24:03. > :24:11.terribly from this? You set up this CCTV camera? We shall look at some

:24:11. > :24:16.of this footage. The boys lobbing stones? On controllable, targeting

:24:16. > :24:22.us repeatedly. We kept going to court to get them evicted. In the

:24:22. > :24:26.end, it became unbearable. I think the big problem is that the police

:24:26. > :24:34.do seem to not be proactive any more and they're just reactive, the

:24:34. > :24:36.crime would happen and they cannot do that any more. When a crime

:24:36. > :24:40.commissioner and a to buy yourself galvanise that? A in principle it

:24:40. > :24:45.is a very good idea to have somebody who is possibly

:24:45. > :24:50.independent because the authorities do their own homework all the time.

:24:50. > :24:53.But they don't have enough powers, I think they need to have more

:24:53. > :24:56.powers to it all that the cases and are soon as any case has gone on

:24:57. > :25:00.for one year, they look at the management and what has gone wrong.

:25:00. > :25:04.They start to get other people to look at what has gone wrong, not

:25:04. > :25:09.just about police and budgets. It is trying to understand what is

:25:09. > :25:13.going wrong and why things are ineffectual. Why are numerous

:25:13. > :25:18.crimes committed against people because people are not caught? Why

:25:18. > :25:25.don't the prisons sort them out? Not enough power? Get me through

:25:25. > :25:31.that out. They should have more power? There is a certain amount of

:25:31. > :25:38.flexibility? There is some legroom for more powers? I think their job

:25:38. > :25:40.is to identify it policing needs and to deal with the Chief

:25:40. > :25:45.Constable and voluntary organisations and the victims

:25:45. > :25:50.groups to meet these policing needs. I don't think any power, they need

:25:50. > :25:56.leadership. I totally disagree because the whole problem is when

:25:56. > :26:00.you start to get beneath the surface, when all the other people

:26:00. > :26:04.have been fobbing you off, you need to get to the basics of why that

:26:04. > :26:07.case is such a problem and they need to go in and look at the case

:26:07. > :26:14.management and he is doing what. Why is the evidence collection not

:26:15. > :26:23.good enough? Why do we have multiple crimes in areas over and

:26:23. > :26:26.over again? The same people. Democracy. The person who shall be

:26:26. > :26:32.successful will say, I will do this for you, now. And they will get

:26:32. > :26:37.elected. You cannot have the same mistake and the same street

:26:37. > :26:43.targeted time after time after time. Anybody who is any good will have a

:26:43. > :26:48.map on his wall and will no... Or her wall. And they wonder whether

:26:48. > :26:53.crimes are. I know what happens and they will, the morning and say to

:26:53. > :27:01.the Chief Constable, why haven't we got -- why have we got another

:27:02. > :27:10.burglary or robbery on this estate? That is an interesting point.

:27:10. > :27:15.different to investigating a particular case. The tough former

:27:15. > :27:19.gang member who turned it around, people in gangs, the people

:27:19. > :27:25.affected by gangs of disproportionately live, shall we

:27:25. > :27:33.say, they don't live in leafy areas. Are you going to be listened to?

:27:33. > :27:36.This is what I fear the danger is. Higher are we going to CT but these

:27:36. > :27:40.people in these committees and of the commissioner will go down to

:27:40. > :27:46.that, it cannot be some one-off thing and after six months, nobody

:27:46. > :27:51.knows who to go to. A well somebody stand up and say, I will help you

:27:51. > :27:56.or will they get votes from elsewhere? From populist messages?

:27:56. > :28:01.A if there is support within the community, it will want to help, it

:28:01. > :28:06.will want to help and if they don't know how to, there needs to be a

:28:06. > :28:11.youth worker or someone who they can speak took on a regular basis

:28:12. > :28:15.to get these issues tackled. they get tackled? Definitely. There

:28:15. > :28:18.needs to be more communication and with the young people and the

:28:18. > :28:23.police than the more we come together as a collective, the

:28:23. > :28:27.better solved the problem will be. Thank you very much indeed. 30

:28:27. > :28:30.minutes and you can already see the size of the issues. If you want to

:28:30. > :28:35.know more and perhaps hear from some of the candidates themselves

:28:35. > :28:39.on BBC local radio, we will be holding debates from 9:00am