0:00:02 > 0:00:06This programme contains some strong language
0:00:06 > 0:00:10'Listen, I hope you are not too late. This boy, Isa, he needs help,
0:00:10 > 0:00:16'only we fear he is close to doing something very dangerous to himself and others.
0:00:16 > 0:00:19'We believe he has a bomb.'
0:00:21 > 0:00:23Three years after the 7/7 bombers attacked London,
0:00:23 > 0:00:27killing 56 and injuring 700 more,
0:00:27 > 0:00:30the police received information
0:00:30 > 0:00:36that a 19-year-old was preparing to target a shopping centre in Bristol.
0:00:36 > 0:00:39We are at war and I am a soldier.
0:00:40 > 0:00:42We are at war and I am a soldier.
0:00:46 > 0:00:50But Andrew Ibrahim was not your typical terrorist.
0:00:50 > 0:00:53- Stop laughing. - I'm gonna kill you.- Yeah?
0:00:53 > 0:00:58This is the true story of a middle class public schoolboy...
0:00:58 > 0:01:00You don't fucking know me.
0:01:01 > 0:01:02Andrew, that is enough!
0:01:02 > 0:01:04Enough!
0:01:04 > 0:01:06Andrew, enough!
0:01:06 > 0:01:08'We are al slaves of Allah...'
0:01:08 > 0:01:13..And how that schoolboy turned into a suicide bomber.
0:01:13 > 0:01:15Islam will dominate the UK.
0:01:15 > 0:01:18Blood is on your hands. On YOUR hands.
0:01:19 > 0:01:21Complicit.
0:01:21 > 0:01:23Complicit. Complicit.
0:01:49 > 0:01:51Well, we know that on 7th April,
0:01:51 > 0:01:53Ibrahim went to the Broadmead shopping gallery
0:01:53 > 0:01:55in Bristol city centre.
0:01:58 > 0:02:02We were able, through recovering of CCTV from all the shops,
0:02:02 > 0:02:07and the centre itself, to piece together his exact movements.
0:02:07 > 0:02:11And what he's doing was carrying out what we would call a hostile reconnaissance
0:02:11 > 0:02:13of that shopping centre.
0:02:15 > 0:02:16He walks around.
0:02:16 > 0:02:18He looks at where the bins are,
0:02:18 > 0:02:23he times himself on the routes around each floor,
0:02:23 > 0:02:27he times himself between floors.
0:02:27 > 0:02:31And, in fact, on some of the CCTV, you can see him actually inputting
0:02:31 > 0:02:34what he's doing into his phone, as a note to himself.
0:02:36 > 0:02:40We believe that was his reconnaissance of his planned attack.
0:02:47 > 0:02:49It's so surreal that somebody I knew,
0:02:49 > 0:02:52somebody that I sat next to for like six months,
0:02:52 > 0:02:56and thought I had some sort of insight into him
0:02:56 > 0:02:59it's just really, really frightening.
0:02:59 > 0:03:02Somebody I knew could have...
0:03:02 > 0:03:05like, you know, could have harmed so many different people.
0:03:05 > 0:03:08It's really, really quite scary.
0:03:10 > 0:03:13But, at the time, we were just completely oblivious.
0:03:17 > 0:03:22Andrew was born in a suburb of Bristol, very nice, quite rural.
0:03:28 > 0:03:30He had a very privileged upbringing.
0:03:30 > 0:03:33He went to private schools. He came from a middle class family,
0:03:33 > 0:03:37his father was a doctor and his brother's a lawyer.
0:03:39 > 0:03:43He had a fairly normal childhood.
0:03:43 > 0:03:48There's nothing that sticks out as him being a little different.
0:03:51 > 0:03:55Colston's Collegiate, it was very posh.
0:03:55 > 0:03:58They used to call me Vicky Pollard
0:03:58 > 0:04:01cos I used to be quite Bristolian
0:04:01 > 0:04:05compared to what they were like, whereas outside of school,
0:04:05 > 0:04:09when I met my partner now, he actually said, "That was quite posh."
0:04:09 > 0:04:12I was like, "Oh, my god, if you think I'm posh,
0:04:12 > 0:04:15"you should see some of the people that I go to school with."
0:04:17 > 0:04:22Back at school, Andy was, um, big, kind of like bouncer build.
0:04:22 > 0:04:25But I wouldn't look at him and go, "Oh, he's fat."
0:04:28 > 0:04:31He wasn't that good looking, compared to his brother.
0:04:31 > 0:04:32His brother was a dish.
0:04:34 > 0:04:37I don't think he felt he fitted in with one particular group.
0:04:37 > 0:04:41His interests were not quite the same as other people's.
0:04:41 > 0:04:45Perhaps the only people he felt comfortable with
0:04:45 > 0:04:48were the people that he played online games with.
0:04:48 > 0:04:52He liked Diablo II and he played it online for hours.
0:04:54 > 0:04:57But he didn't have many friends at all.
0:04:57 > 0:05:00And he'd do silly things to gain attention.
0:05:01 > 0:05:05When it come to girls, he was very strange.
0:05:05 > 0:05:08He went through a stage of texting me
0:05:08 > 0:05:12every single evening and it would only say the words "Hi."
0:05:12 > 0:05:16Just say those two letters, H, I, "Hi"
0:05:16 > 0:05:19and he done that for a few months
0:05:19 > 0:05:22and he did get some scissors once
0:05:22 > 0:05:25and he said, "I want some of your hair for my shrine."
0:05:25 > 0:05:28and I was like, "Don't fucking touch my hair!
0:05:28 > 0:05:33"If you cut my hair, I will... I will go mad." And he didn't,
0:05:33 > 0:05:36but he was just getting it to get the reaction from the boys behind him.
0:05:36 > 0:05:39But that's a weird thing to do, you don't chase a girl round with scissors
0:05:39 > 0:05:42saying you're going to cut their hair. Weird.
0:05:45 > 0:05:49But they never expelled anyone in my school.
0:05:49 > 0:05:51They'd "ask them to leave."
0:05:53 > 0:05:57It's actually a very, very small school compared to, say, Eton
0:05:57 > 0:06:00or some of the larger boarding schools in the country.
0:06:00 > 0:06:04But it's quite an imposing school, I think,
0:06:04 > 0:06:09if you see it for the first time, certainly as a 12-year-old boy,
0:06:09 > 0:06:13I found it pretty imposing, but you get used to it.
0:06:15 > 0:06:18When we decided to accept Andrew into the school,
0:06:18 > 0:06:24the information I had indicated that he could behave inappropriately sometimes,
0:06:24 > 0:06:27he would be attention seeking,
0:06:27 > 0:06:30but that kind of behaviour isn't all that unusual
0:06:30 > 0:06:33in people of that age,
0:06:33 > 0:06:34sometimes in people of any age.
0:06:34 > 0:06:39And when Andrew came for interview with his parents,
0:06:39 > 0:06:42I was struck by a certain vulnerability
0:06:42 > 0:06:45because he was quite a big fellow
0:06:45 > 0:06:48but, at the same time, when I questioned him,
0:06:48 > 0:06:50he was rather tearful.
0:06:50 > 0:06:53I remember also asking him what would he really like,
0:06:53 > 0:06:57expecting him perhaps to say something about his future career,
0:06:57 > 0:07:02and he said, "A good girlfriend," which was an unexpected answer.
0:07:02 > 0:07:05I've never had one like that since,
0:07:05 > 0:07:07so that was rather intriguing.
0:07:09 > 0:07:14He was quite interesting because it's always interesting when someone's been expelled
0:07:14 > 0:07:16and has arrived at your school.
0:07:16 > 0:07:17It's...
0:07:17 > 0:07:21something you're really experienced to yet.
0:07:21 > 0:07:23I think there was this allure of the bad boy.
0:07:23 > 0:07:26He sort of forged this character for himself,
0:07:26 > 0:07:29and I think he then was forced to keep that going.
0:07:34 > 0:07:37He got caught drinking quite a few times,
0:07:37 > 0:07:40which isn't unknown, especially at a small boarding school
0:07:40 > 0:07:42in the middle of Somerset,
0:07:42 > 0:07:45but he was sort of slightly different
0:07:45 > 0:07:49in where everyone was drinking beer, maybe he'd drink vodka.
0:07:50 > 0:07:54And he would get caught almost like he wanted to get caught.
0:07:59 > 0:08:03What we know about Ibrahim, and we sort of went over all his background
0:08:03 > 0:08:06as part of our investigation, is that he clearly,
0:08:06 > 0:08:09throughout his sort of teenage years particularly,
0:08:09 > 0:08:12struggled, erm, to find friends.
0:08:12 > 0:08:15And he'd had some issues at schools, such as being expelled,
0:08:15 > 0:08:18and perhaps some of his conduct at his school
0:08:18 > 0:08:22was indicative of somebody trying to be wanted by friends and peers.
0:08:25 > 0:08:29I think with Andrew, he seemed to be searching all the time.
0:08:29 > 0:08:31and always had an idea that if you were something,
0:08:31 > 0:08:34you had to dress in a particular way.
0:08:38 > 0:08:41Classic example was his skateboarder phase.
0:08:41 > 0:08:47He felt you had to wear a certain style of clothing,
0:08:47 > 0:08:49you had to talk and act in a certain way.
0:08:49 > 0:08:52I think that wanting to be affiliated to something,
0:08:52 > 0:08:55some meaning in his life was a driver for him.
0:09:00 > 0:09:02Andy arrived in 2004,
0:09:02 > 0:09:07I think it was, so the beginning of GCSEs.
0:09:07 > 0:09:10I think he was, in the beginning, quite shy,
0:09:10 > 0:09:14kind of stood out a lot cos he had this sort of black, short hair.
0:09:14 > 0:09:16He was quite funny, he was always laughing,
0:09:16 > 0:09:20I can hear his laugh even now. It was quite, quite distinctive.
0:09:24 > 0:09:27Andrew had these obsessional hobbies.
0:09:27 > 0:09:30The one that sticks out the most is his body building.
0:09:30 > 0:09:35He always used to come into the form room with his protein shake.
0:09:35 > 0:09:39We used to take the mickey out of him because he was always drinking it, swigging away.
0:09:39 > 0:09:43I don't know if Andrew himself knows the reason why he didn't fit in.
0:09:43 > 0:09:45In terms of his body image,
0:09:45 > 0:09:48he had huge problems with his body image.
0:09:48 > 0:09:53From the time he would start the body piercings.
0:09:53 > 0:09:56The worst time were the tattoos.
0:09:57 > 0:10:01They were absolutely, I felt, awful.
0:10:02 > 0:10:05He had a huge tattoo on his back.
0:10:05 > 0:10:07It was of an angel.
0:10:08 > 0:10:10With huge wings...
0:10:12 > 0:10:14..almost encompassing someone.
0:10:16 > 0:10:21And I felt so bad that he'd defaced his body in this way,
0:10:21 > 0:10:23but I think he did all of this,
0:10:23 > 0:10:26the dyed hair, the tattoos, the piercings,
0:10:26 > 0:10:30I think he did it all to try and be different.
0:10:33 > 0:10:35I think he was just someone who...well, I'd say
0:10:35 > 0:10:38I think it was because he was quite clever,
0:10:38 > 0:10:42and his brain just wanted something to latch onto and something to get involved with,
0:10:42 > 0:10:46but after it, sort of, as these things do, have a shelf life,
0:10:46 > 0:10:49he got a little bit bored, and just moved onto something else.
0:10:53 > 0:10:57Andrew was 13 when we first discovered
0:10:57 > 0:11:00that he had been using cannabis, just cannabis, that was all.
0:11:02 > 0:11:08I was obviously upset, but I realised a lot of children experimented with cannabis
0:11:08 > 0:11:12and he assured us he wouldn't do it again.
0:11:12 > 0:11:15At that time, we had no reason to believe
0:11:15 > 0:11:17that he wouldn't keep his word on it.
0:11:19 > 0:11:24I knew that there was a certain amount of drug taking going on in the school.
0:11:24 > 0:11:27There was sort of a group, I suppose they were the skaters
0:11:27 > 0:11:30or the rockers or whatever, who used to go out raving
0:11:30 > 0:11:32on a Friday night,
0:11:32 > 0:11:34and Andy would go along with them.
0:11:42 > 0:11:45I think that's the first time he started to take ecstasy.
0:11:45 > 0:11:48But I thought that, well, you know, he's got this...
0:11:48 > 0:11:52this obsessive personality and it was something that he was going do for a while.
0:11:54 > 0:11:56During our GCSE period,
0:11:56 > 0:11:59he used cocaine on a couple of occasions
0:11:59 > 0:12:03but I seem to remember him saying that it wasn't working,
0:12:03 > 0:12:05it wasn't doing what he wanted it to do.
0:12:09 > 0:12:13He moved on to using heroin. I said, "What are you doing?"
0:12:13 > 0:12:17and he was completely honest and said, "I've done it a few times,"
0:12:17 > 0:12:19but he said, "I'm not going to do it anymore."
0:12:19 > 0:12:23And I believed that. I though, "That's fine,"
0:12:23 > 0:12:25you know, "OK, you've tried it, you've experienced it,
0:12:25 > 0:12:28"but maybe it's not for you and you've stopped."
0:12:28 > 0:12:32WRETCHING
0:12:32 > 0:12:34Morning.
0:12:36 > 0:12:38You all right?
0:12:38 > 0:12:40- Go away.- Hm, Andy?
0:12:40 > 0:12:42Leave me alone!
0:12:43 > 0:12:44Where is it?
0:12:44 > 0:12:46Where's what?
0:12:52 > 0:12:54- Where is it?- Where's what?
0:12:54 > 0:12:56What are you doing? Mum!
0:12:56 > 0:12:59Shh! You haven't got a clue, have you?
0:12:59 > 0:13:02What you're doing to us? All of us?
0:13:02 > 0:13:04Don't you dare. Look at me.
0:13:06 > 0:13:09- Where is it?- Get off, I'm going to be sick! Mum!
0:13:09 > 0:13:14Mum's not coming up here. Do you think she wants to see you like this, again?
0:13:14 > 0:13:17We've tried everything. Everything, haven't we?
0:13:20 > 0:13:24- Stop laughing.- I'm going to kill you.- Yeah? Yeah? Huh?
0:13:26 > 0:13:27Mum!
0:13:27 > 0:13:29Shh, keep your voice down!
0:13:31 > 0:13:34Have you looked at yourself? Hm?
0:13:36 > 0:13:37What are you doing?
0:13:37 > 0:13:39What are you doing? Mum!
0:13:41 > 0:13:45Look at yourself. That's you! Andy the junkie, yeah?
0:13:45 > 0:13:49I'm going to show this to you every time you even think about taking drugs.
0:13:49 > 0:13:52You should be ashamed of yourself.
0:13:53 > 0:13:55We're a good family, Andrew.
0:14:01 > 0:14:06As a family, we'd been experiencing difficulties for some time.
0:14:06 > 0:14:09And after discussion, it was felt that Andrew and I would
0:14:09 > 0:14:14leave the family home, we would go by ourselves, for some time.
0:14:14 > 0:14:19I felt we could perhaps sort things out between us,
0:14:19 > 0:14:21and Andrew would settle down.
0:14:21 > 0:14:25During this time, his drug use got much worse.
0:14:25 > 0:14:29About a year later, after he'd left the cathedral school, I saw him
0:14:29 > 0:14:32on College Green, and he was sort of scratching
0:14:32 > 0:14:35and sort of incoherent when he was talking.
0:14:35 > 0:14:39And I was really quite shocked...
0:14:39 > 0:14:42Yeah, left me quite shaken, seeing him the way that he was,
0:14:42 > 0:14:44cos he was obviously in a very bad way.
0:14:48 > 0:14:51I remember one day going in his bedroom,
0:14:51 > 0:14:54and finding him lying on the bed.
0:14:57 > 0:15:00His eyes were rolling back in his head.
0:15:01 > 0:15:04I didn't know if he was going to live or die.
0:15:04 > 0:15:07I remember another time going in his wardrobe,
0:15:07 > 0:15:14opening the door of his wardrobe, and finding his belt in a lasso.
0:15:14 > 0:15:16He'd obviously used it as a tourniquet.
0:15:18 > 0:15:20You never forget these images.
0:15:24 > 0:15:29Our religion is Islam. Obedience to the one true God. Allah.
0:15:30 > 0:15:35I was certainly surprised to hear that Andrew had converted to Islam.
0:15:35 > 0:15:42But to somebody fighting addiction and self absorption...
0:15:42 > 0:15:46then the turnaround of embracing a very strong,
0:15:46 > 0:15:48clear faith could well be attractive.
0:15:51 > 0:15:56Some of Andy's friends came to pick him up. I think it was a Saturday.
0:15:56 > 0:16:00He'd been out with them a few times, and I thought nothing of it at all.
0:16:00 > 0:16:05The day passed quite normally. He came home that night and said,
0:16:05 > 0:16:08"I've converted and become a Muslim."
0:16:08 > 0:16:13I think my first reaction was, "Oh, God, not again, something else!"
0:16:14 > 0:16:20We expected it was just another fad. It really wouldn't last long.
0:16:20 > 0:16:22Because nothing else had lasted long.
0:16:25 > 0:16:27From what we know,
0:16:27 > 0:16:30on the anniversary of 7/7...
0:16:30 > 0:16:33so, on 7th July 2006,
0:16:33 > 0:16:35he became a Muslim.
0:16:37 > 0:16:40After these 7/7 attacks...
0:16:40 > 0:16:43I, at the time, was having stones thrown at my car...
0:16:45 > 0:16:50..Rocks, big boulders. I remember women who were wearing the burka
0:16:50 > 0:16:52having it ripped off their face.
0:16:52 > 0:16:55I remember graffiti being plastered all around the area,
0:16:55 > 0:16:59paki this, or terrorist that, or go home, etc, well, for me,
0:16:59 > 0:17:02this is my home, what do you mean?
0:17:02 > 0:17:05And that's where these questions about identity came.
0:17:05 > 0:17:07Asking us, "Are you British, Muslim, Asian?
0:17:07 > 0:17:10"Or are you Asian, British, Muslim? What are you first?"
0:17:10 > 0:17:15And these are questions the Muslim community never were asked before. They didn't know how to answer.
0:17:15 > 0:17:19Andrew's father was Egyptian and I'm English.
0:17:19 > 0:17:22I never thought Andrew had a problem with this.
0:17:22 > 0:17:25But as the years have gone by,
0:17:25 > 0:17:30I think he felt he didn't feel either English or Egyptian.
0:17:33 > 0:17:35His brother never had any issues with this,
0:17:35 > 0:17:38his brother felt he was entirely English.
0:17:38 > 0:17:43I don't quite know why Andrew felt different.
0:17:44 > 0:17:47The first time I met Isa would be...
0:17:47 > 0:17:50the very first lesson that we had in college.
0:17:50 > 0:17:52He told me he was doing...
0:17:52 > 0:17:56biology, chemistry, English and history.
0:17:56 > 0:18:00He said he wanted to do something in pharmaceutical science.
0:18:00 > 0:18:02Not the most organised of people.
0:18:02 > 0:18:04He'd always turn up without pens, paper,
0:18:04 > 0:18:07he'd always asks to copy my homework last minute,
0:18:07 > 0:18:08so he was a bit cheeky.
0:18:08 > 0:18:12But apart from the lack of organisation skills, he seemed OK.
0:18:16 > 0:18:19Page six. You should all know the answer to this one by now.
0:18:19 > 0:18:22Hydrochloric acid, and what is its formula?
0:18:23 > 0:18:27- Andrew?- What about anthrax, miss? - What about anthrax?
0:18:27 > 0:18:30Is it the best biological agent for killing people?
0:18:30 > 0:18:34Andrew, even if I knew the answer to that, which I don't,
0:18:34 > 0:18:38do you think it would be irresponsible of me to say?
0:18:38 > 0:18:40- Isa.- Sorry?- Isa.
0:18:40 > 0:18:44Andrew is my Western name. I'm Muslim now.
0:18:44 > 0:18:47Right. OK, class.
0:18:47 > 0:18:52Look, we can all carry on preparing for our exam, or if you prefer,
0:18:52 > 0:18:55we can all sit around and watch Andrew seek attention.
0:18:55 > 0:18:59It was only a question, miss! There's no need to get all pissy about it.
0:18:59 > 0:19:02- I mean, this is chemistry, isn't it? - Yes, and it's also college,
0:19:02 > 0:19:05which means it's not compulsory to be here, if you don't want to learn.
0:19:07 > 0:19:10- OK, right, moving on. Question 12.- Hey, Isa!
0:19:10 > 0:19:13You going to blow us all up then, are you?!
0:19:13 > 0:19:15- LAUGHTER - Enough! Please!
0:19:17 > 0:19:20What is its formula?
0:19:21 > 0:19:24- You don't fucking know me! - ALL: Oooh!
0:19:24 > 0:19:27Andrew, that's enough. Enough!
0:19:27 > 0:19:31- Andrew! Enough! - Fucking...- Andrew!
0:19:34 > 0:19:38He talked about politics quite a lot. He had very strong views.
0:19:38 > 0:19:41It caused uproar in our classes when he mentioned anything like that.
0:19:41 > 0:19:44Everyone got really annoyed and upset about it.
0:19:49 > 0:19:54We know that Ibrahim was accessing the Internet at three or four main places.
0:19:54 > 0:19:58College, the library in Bristol and his parents' address.
0:19:58 > 0:20:04We're calling for the British public and the British government to wake up. Withdraw your forces.
0:20:04 > 0:20:06He was initially looking at, I suppose, general news.
0:20:06 > 0:20:10He seemed to have quite a liking to Abu Hamza.
0:20:10 > 0:20:13He had a hook instead of a hand.
0:20:13 > 0:20:16I don't really know what happened to it.
0:20:16 > 0:20:19Faith. Shoot and loot. They're all enemies of Islam.
0:20:19 > 0:20:22The one guy in our class who was going on to do prosthetics at uni,
0:20:22 > 0:20:26he asked him if he could like built him an arm,
0:20:26 > 0:20:28which was kind of weird at the time.
0:20:29 > 0:20:32But Isa was getting really serious about it and was like,
0:20:32 > 0:20:35"Seriously, he needs an arm, can you please help?"
0:20:35 > 0:20:37And so we all just laughed it off,
0:20:37 > 0:20:40but he really did like kind of idolise him, I guess.
0:20:43 > 0:20:46You couldn't really question his views, because they were so extreme.
0:20:46 > 0:20:49He wouldn't listen to anyone else, whatever anyone else had to say.
0:20:49 > 0:20:52We were always wrong, he was always right.
0:20:52 > 0:20:56Blair is guilty of war crimes and should be sent to the Hague.
0:20:57 > 0:21:019/11, the 7/7 bombings! All a conspiracy by Blair.
0:21:01 > 0:21:04A conspiracy by Blair to generate support of the war,
0:21:04 > 0:21:08so that hundreds and thousands of innocent Muslims...
0:21:08 > 0:21:11I'm not talking 50 Westerners, I'm talking hundreds
0:21:11 > 0:21:16and thousands of men, women and children murdered, and for what?
0:21:16 > 0:21:19- For oil. For greed! - Andy, what are you talking about?!
0:21:19 > 0:21:22And a conspiracy against the state of Islam!
0:21:22 > 0:21:26- And you, the British people, elected them!- Andy!- You're responsible!
0:21:26 > 0:21:31- Which means you're all complicit! - Sorry, this isn't the message we're trying to get here.- This is anti-war.
0:21:31 > 0:21:37- Blood is on your hands! Blood is on your hands! On your hands!- Andy!
0:21:37 > 0:21:39Complicit. Complicit.
0:21:39 > 0:21:41Complicit.
0:21:46 > 0:21:50We came back from half-term, and from going from wearing
0:21:50 > 0:21:53tracksuit bottoms, hoodies, trainers,
0:21:53 > 0:21:55he just came in in a full robe,
0:21:55 > 0:22:00like, hat and everything, and it was just like, "OK."
0:22:01 > 0:22:05When Isa first came into the faith, he suddenly found
0:22:05 > 0:22:08a new focus. A new obsession, even.
0:22:08 > 0:22:12He's coming to Islam. He's new.
0:22:12 > 0:22:16He wants to learn everything, like a sponge, just absorbing everything.
0:22:16 > 0:22:19But then he wanted to go that little bit further.
0:22:19 > 0:22:25Like he did, as he has a habit, he wanted to go that little bit further.
0:22:25 > 0:22:30It was evident that he was radicalised to a great degree by what he saw on the Internet.
0:22:30 > 0:22:34Britain is the one who taught America how to kill and oppress Muslims in the first place.
0:22:34 > 0:22:40When we looked at his usage of the Internet, he was getting almost addicted to more extremism.
0:22:40 > 0:22:44He picked up on, particularly, the 7/7 bombers.
0:22:44 > 0:22:50On his computer, he had kept their speeches. He almost idolised them.
0:22:57 > 0:23:00"I'm going to keep this short and to the point,
0:23:00 > 0:23:02"because it's all been said before
0:23:02 > 0:23:04"by far more eloquent people than me."
0:23:04 > 0:23:09Our words are dead until we give them life with our blood.
0:23:10 > 0:23:14I remember seeing Isa Ibrahim in the mosque.
0:23:14 > 0:23:17His dress code had changed, he was dressing more conservatively,
0:23:17 > 0:23:21he had the beard, which isn't a problem, that's fine,
0:23:21 > 0:23:25but he was a very confused character.
0:23:25 > 0:23:28I knew that he was going from mosque to mosque to mosque, he was
0:23:28 > 0:23:31looking for a sense of belonging which he didn't get in Bristol.
0:23:31 > 0:23:35Because no-one was preaching that hardline terrorist ideology.
0:23:35 > 0:23:39- What about suicide bombings? - How can you say it's wrong?
0:23:39 > 0:23:43The way I see it, they are defending Islam and the Umma.
0:23:43 > 0:23:46They're retaliating from the aggression against Muslims,
0:23:46 > 0:23:48coming from Israel, the US, Britain too.
0:23:48 > 0:23:53Rather than war, concentrate on learning your faith.
0:23:53 > 0:23:56Because then, you will know that Islam clearly prohibits
0:23:56 > 0:24:00- killing of innocents.- How can you say that when they're murdering us?
0:24:00 > 0:24:03The West brought the war to us, not the other way around.
0:24:03 > 0:24:08And you are talking about things you have little or no knowledge of.
0:24:08 > 0:24:12Al-Qaeda is brilliant on the Internet.
0:24:19 > 0:24:24Type in "suicide bombing, Islam", and I guarantee you,
0:24:24 > 0:24:29within 10 clicks, you will get to extreme websites,
0:24:29 > 0:24:34showing the most extreme, horrific images, and you get sucked into this.
0:24:34 > 0:24:37I've seen it myself. And all these websites will tell you
0:24:37 > 0:24:40about Muslims being massacred all over the place,
0:24:40 > 0:24:44India, Palestine, Chechnya, Iraq, Afghanistan,
0:24:44 > 0:24:50and every site you go to will say to you, "It's because you're Muslim."
0:24:50 > 0:24:53"They hate you because you're Muslim."
0:24:54 > 0:24:57"And by the way, there is a long ongoing war.
0:24:57 > 0:24:59"This hasn't just started with Iraq.
0:24:59 > 0:25:01"This started from the day Islam was born."
0:25:01 > 0:25:05And every site you go to will say to you,
0:25:05 > 0:25:06"During the time of the Crusades,
0:25:06 > 0:25:09they thought so little of your men, women and children,
0:25:09 > 0:25:14"they roasted baby Muslims on spits and ate them."
0:25:14 > 0:25:16"They didn't even consider you human beings."
0:25:16 > 0:25:19And you think, "Well, that's a bit far-fetched.
0:25:19 > 0:25:21"They didn't do that."
0:25:21 > 0:25:24And then, they encourage you, "Find out.
0:25:24 > 0:25:26"It's recorded in the Crusader journals."
0:25:26 > 0:25:28"Oh, they actually did this."
0:25:29 > 0:25:34"I've now come across a treasure trove of information.
0:25:34 > 0:25:35"I am now special.
0:25:35 > 0:25:39"I am now enlightened. I'm different to the sleeping Muslims
0:25:39 > 0:25:41"who don't know what's going on."
0:25:41 > 0:25:44This country is a dirty toilet. It's surrounded by minefields.
0:25:44 > 0:25:48Who you have been listening to, those words are the rhetoric
0:25:48 > 0:25:51of people who distort the Koran to make you hate.
0:25:51 > 0:25:56Islam will dominate the UK as well! Allahu Akbar.
0:25:56 > 0:26:00Tell me, honestly, now, who are you being attacked by?
0:26:00 > 0:26:06Who are you defending yourself against? Who is driving you out?
0:26:06 > 0:26:08Allahu Akbar.
0:26:12 > 0:26:15When Andrew Isa was exploring Islam,
0:26:15 > 0:26:17he visited a number of mosques.
0:26:17 > 0:26:19HE PRAYS
0:26:23 > 0:26:26I don't think he settled at any one in particular,
0:26:26 > 0:26:29so he obviously didn't find what he was looking for.
0:26:29 > 0:26:31Allahu Akbar.
0:26:34 > 0:26:38I think that's why his use of the Internet actually increased.
0:26:38 > 0:26:42We are diseased in our thoughts, in our minds.
0:26:42 > 0:26:44Learning what the enemy wants us to learn!
0:26:44 > 0:26:45HE PRAYS
0:26:47 > 0:26:50My concern was, you know,
0:26:50 > 0:26:53he's actually now moving away from the mosques...
0:26:55 > 0:26:57IMAM: Allahu Akbar.
0:26:58 > 0:27:04They are attacking the Muslims in a secret, subtle way.
0:27:04 > 0:27:09..to a form of Islam which we know, actually, can lead to death
0:27:09 > 0:27:14and violence and, that Al-Qaeda ideology that has swept the world.
0:27:14 > 0:27:18HE PRAYS
0:27:27 > 0:27:31Excuse me. Oi, excuse me. I like your pyjamas,
0:27:31 > 0:27:36- where did you get them from?! - Oi, mate! Islam's that way!
0:27:38 > 0:27:41What you fucking say, rag head!
0:27:41 > 0:27:44People fairly regularly shouted abuse at him
0:27:44 > 0:27:46because of the way he was dressed.
0:27:48 > 0:27:51In a way, I think it made him stronger in his belief.
0:27:53 > 0:27:57Nothing was going to make him change his mind
0:27:57 > 0:28:01about what he believed, or the way he felt he should dress.
0:28:01 > 0:28:03- Where to, mate?- Town.
0:28:07 > 0:28:10"Your democratically elected governments continuously
0:28:10 > 0:28:14"perpetrate atrocities against my people all over the world.
0:28:14 > 0:28:18"Supporting these governments makes you directly responsible."
0:28:20 > 0:28:23Brother, are you Muslim? Brother?
0:28:23 > 0:28:26- You're going to have to speak up pal!- You're Muslim though, yeah?
0:28:26 > 0:28:29- Yeah, yeah, I'm a Muslim.- Do you get a hard time in this country,
0:28:29 > 0:28:32- in the UK?- From who, brother? - From the people, my friend!
0:28:32 > 0:28:34From the Westerners that hate you!
0:28:34 > 0:28:36You know, after the bombings in London, after 9/11.
0:28:36 > 0:28:39I am a Westerner myself anyway. I was born here, brother.
0:28:39 > 0:28:42I was born here, and I don't hate myself, I'll tell you that.
0:28:42 > 0:28:46Yeah, well you should. You should hate yourself!
0:28:46 > 0:28:49See, you are apathetic! You need to wake up, brother!
0:28:49 > 0:28:52You need to open your eyes to what is happening!
0:28:54 > 0:28:58During this time, Andrew became more involved in Islam.
0:28:58 > 0:29:01We are all slaves of Allah,
0:29:01 > 0:29:02and we stand side by side.
0:29:02 > 0:29:06He'd listen to tapes of particular speakers that he liked.
0:29:06 > 0:29:08What about the terrorism of the Western regimes?
0:29:08 > 0:29:12He gave us Islamic leaflets. He wanted us to read them.
0:29:12 > 0:29:16When's it going to stop? People need to know.
0:29:16 > 0:29:18He'd sort of almost lecture us, really.
0:29:18 > 0:29:22They're going to kick your door down when you're in bed with your wife!
0:29:22 > 0:29:24In a way, he wanted us to convert.
0:29:24 > 0:29:27You have openly declared war on Islam.
0:29:27 > 0:29:30The foreigners crusade against the Muslims.
0:29:30 > 0:29:34Another example of Andy having no middle ground about anything.
0:29:35 > 0:29:37I don't want to hear any more of this.
0:29:37 > 0:29:39- I'm just trying to educate you! - Come out the car!
0:29:39 > 0:29:42- I have money. Please drive the car. - I don't want your money.
0:29:42 > 0:29:44Please, brother, get out of my car, now! Please!
0:29:46 > 0:29:49- That's my bag. - Right, that's your bag. Go!
0:29:49 > 0:29:50Thank you, thank you.
0:29:50 > 0:29:54There you go, brother, have a good day. Salaam aleikum.
0:30:01 > 0:30:04There was one chemistry lesson. Isa came in a bit late.
0:30:04 > 0:30:08He didn't really get on with the task, instead he was really excited
0:30:08 > 0:30:11about the stuff he'd found on the internet.
0:30:11 > 0:30:15He wrote down quite a few equations, how to make bombs out of household ingredients,
0:30:15 > 0:30:18hair dye, nail polish remover, and stuff like that.
0:30:18 > 0:30:22Another time we went shopping, just because we had a break from college,
0:30:22 > 0:30:27we decided to go into the Galleries, and we were walking around, and Isa just randomly said,
0:30:27 > 0:30:32"Could you imagine if there was a bomb scare now? Imagine like the terror it would cause."
0:30:33 > 0:30:35Which was really, really weird at the time.
0:30:35 > 0:30:39I was like, "Oh my god, OK! I don't quite know what to say to that!"
0:30:39 > 0:30:41So I just changed the subject.
0:30:45 > 0:30:48Well, after he'd been to the shopping centre,
0:30:48 > 0:30:51and conducted his recce,
0:30:51 > 0:30:54he then set on, acquiring all the things he needed
0:30:54 > 0:30:59to make his explosives, and also to make a detonating device.
0:31:00 > 0:31:03Excuse me, please.
0:31:03 > 0:31:05- Can I get some Hydrogen Peroxide? - Yes.
0:31:05 > 0:31:09'Support of these governments makes you directly responsible...'
0:31:09 > 0:31:12I need to get as much heat from the bulb, using batteries as small as possible.
0:31:12 > 0:31:14Can I get another bottle?
0:31:14 > 0:31:20'..Just as I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters.'
0:31:31 > 0:31:34That went over a number of days,
0:31:34 > 0:31:36but certainly, from different shops around the city,
0:31:36 > 0:31:40he secured everything he needed to make that homemade explosives.
0:31:40 > 0:31:42There was also wiring,
0:31:42 > 0:31:45and detonation circuits,
0:31:45 > 0:31:48so switches, wiring, bulbs, that sort of thing.
0:31:48 > 0:31:51And then, another thing that was of great concern
0:31:51 > 0:31:54was he'd made a suicide vest.
0:31:54 > 0:31:58So hanging behind his bedroom door
0:31:58 > 0:31:59was a homemade suicide vest.
0:32:02 > 0:32:07There was a time when Andrew became apparently suicidal.
0:32:07 > 0:32:13He got a tie, tied it around a pipe in the washroom.
0:32:13 > 0:32:16He also mentioned that he'd been rather influenced
0:32:16 > 0:32:20by "Kurt Coblain", I think it was...
0:32:20 > 0:32:23who had committed suicide and was something of a cult figure.
0:32:23 > 0:32:28Now, any interest or attraction in suicides amongst young people
0:32:28 > 0:32:30is always very serious.
0:32:30 > 0:32:35But it was difficult to diagnose how serious that attraction was.
0:32:35 > 0:32:37And there was a slightly sort of playful -
0:32:37 > 0:32:40well, that sounds entirely the wrong word -
0:32:40 > 0:32:42but a sort of play element about it, possibly.
0:32:42 > 0:32:45And I suppose one could say that in that sense,
0:32:45 > 0:32:48the call for attention was evident.
0:32:50 > 0:32:55I think he felt sad that we'd sent him there.
0:32:55 > 0:32:58At the time, we felt it was the right thing to do.
0:32:59 > 0:33:01It was only later that he told us...
0:33:02 > 0:33:04..he felt abandoned.
0:33:19 > 0:33:22Our words have no impact upon you.
0:33:26 > 0:33:30Our words have no impact upon you. Our words are dead.
0:33:33 > 0:33:35Towards the end of Andrew's GCSEs,
0:33:35 > 0:33:39that's when things started to take a change for the worst.
0:33:39 > 0:33:43He would text me very late in the night, or in the early hours of the morning,
0:33:43 > 0:33:46explaining that he wasn't happy with his life,
0:33:46 > 0:33:49and how that he needed it to all come to an end.
0:33:49 > 0:33:53Sometimes, he told me that he had taken drugs
0:33:53 > 0:33:55to try and overdose,
0:33:55 > 0:34:00to put an end to it all so he could leave it behind.
0:34:02 > 0:34:06He just made it very clear to me that he wasn't happy,
0:34:06 > 0:34:08and that he was suicidal.
0:34:08 > 0:34:10He was prepared to take his own life
0:34:10 > 0:34:14because things were not going the way that he wanted them to.
0:34:22 > 0:34:25We'd already stayed a year together.
0:34:25 > 0:34:30His drug worker helped him then get on the council list,
0:34:30 > 0:34:35and he was given a flat in Westbury-on-Trym.
0:34:35 > 0:34:39It had been left in a bad condition by a previous tenant,
0:34:39 > 0:34:42so his brother, his father and I
0:34:42 > 0:34:44all helped re-decorate the flat,
0:34:44 > 0:34:47furnish it, get it into a nice state.
0:34:49 > 0:34:52We'd see him three or four times a week.
0:34:53 > 0:34:57We provided food for him in bulk, which he would freeze.
0:34:57 > 0:34:59Things seemed to be on the up.
0:34:59 > 0:35:01He was polite,
0:35:01 > 0:35:05there was no hostility, or rudeness, or anything.
0:35:05 > 0:35:10It was, in a way, one of the nicer times that we were with Andrew.
0:35:16 > 0:35:20I, and thousands like me, are forsaking everything for what we believe.
0:35:20 > 0:35:23It's a very short space of time from being a normal...
0:35:24 > 0:35:27..law-abiding Muslim,
0:35:27 > 0:35:30to one that is willing to go to...
0:35:31 > 0:35:33..horrific lengths.
0:35:35 > 0:35:39The Internet, the Al-Qaeda narrative will push... 24/7.
0:35:39 > 0:35:44"Where were you? Get online. I haven't seen you for a while. Get online. Tick tick tick tick".
0:35:44 > 0:35:48Stay connected to this individual, so give them no time whatsoever
0:35:48 > 0:35:51to think about what they've just heard, or question what they've just heard.
0:35:59 > 0:36:02And the sites are there, telling you all the time,
0:36:02 > 0:36:06cos you get little buddies coming up, who will be your friend, who'll explain all this to you.
0:36:07 > 0:36:10"You are special."
0:36:10 > 0:36:11"This is providence."
0:36:21 > 0:36:24"You didn't just come on this site by coincidence.
0:36:24 > 0:36:27"God has guided you here, yeah?
0:36:27 > 0:36:31So you may be, for example, a petty criminal on this earth,
0:36:31 > 0:36:34credit card fraud now and again.
0:36:34 > 0:36:37But this website, it will say, "Hold on, this is a skill.
0:36:37 > 0:36:40"God has put you in this position,
0:36:40 > 0:36:42"because there's a war against Islam, don't you know?
0:36:42 > 0:36:45"And you are now its defender."
0:36:48 > 0:36:53So, in your mind, you've gone from an utter idiot, failure in life,
0:36:53 > 0:36:57to suddenly, "Ah, so that's what God's had planned for me!"
0:36:58 > 0:37:00You feel justified.
0:37:00 > 0:37:02You feel a full-grown soldier,
0:37:02 > 0:37:05and you're taking part in a real war.
0:37:05 > 0:37:08And you can get anything off the net nowadays.
0:37:08 > 0:37:11You can learn how to do anything off the Internet,
0:37:11 > 0:37:14And it's really easy. It's not even difficult.
0:37:14 > 0:37:16Get what you want, have a little explosion. Wow!
0:37:18 > 0:37:20"I did a little explosion!"
0:37:20 > 0:37:25Get a lot of little cap guns together, put it together. Bang! Slightly bigger explosion.
0:37:25 > 0:37:28Get a bit of hydrogen peroxide, bit of hair colouring,
0:37:28 > 0:37:32Bang! That's a bigger explosion!
0:37:32 > 0:37:35It's easy to do. And when you have that first explosion,
0:37:35 > 0:37:39"Whoa! I've arrived. I'm here. I'm doing it, look!
0:37:39 > 0:37:41"I'm defending the nation!"
0:37:41 > 0:37:45Hi, everyone. Today's experiment is with HMTD,
0:37:45 > 0:37:48or hexamethylene triperoxide diamine.
0:37:53 > 0:37:55'One of the things that we found,'
0:37:55 > 0:37:59was a clip of film that he'd taken with his mobile phone,
0:37:59 > 0:38:03and it was a clip of film which shows him in his flat experimenting
0:38:03 > 0:38:06with a small quantity of his homemade explosive...
0:38:08 > 0:38:10..potentially showing people
0:38:10 > 0:38:13how "clever" he was in being able to make this.
0:38:17 > 0:38:20I'm going to keep this short and to the point,
0:38:20 > 0:38:23because it's all been said before by far more eloquent people than me.
0:38:25 > 0:38:27Our words have no impact upon you.
0:38:28 > 0:38:29Our words are dead...
0:38:31 > 0:38:33..until we give them life with our blood.
0:38:37 > 0:38:39Fuck!
0:38:44 > 0:38:45Shit!
0:39:07 > 0:39:10I was speaking with Andy almost every day.
0:39:11 > 0:39:15There was no indication whatsoever
0:39:15 > 0:39:17that he was planning anything,
0:39:17 > 0:39:20or that his thinking was anything other than normal.
0:39:21 > 0:39:24If we had suspected, in any way,
0:39:24 > 0:39:26of course we would have done something.
0:39:29 > 0:39:31We're decent, upright people.
0:39:31 > 0:39:34We would never have allowed any of this if we had known of it,
0:39:34 > 0:39:37but we had no idea he was doing these things.
0:39:52 > 0:39:56Man, what are you doing here? You should be at A&E.
0:39:56 > 0:39:59- I can't go to A&E.- Why?
0:39:59 > 0:40:01Don't ask too many questions.
0:40:01 > 0:40:03I don't want any trouble.
0:40:03 > 0:40:05You shouldn't be here. This is all wrong.
0:40:05 > 0:40:07Just cover yourself up.
0:40:12 > 0:40:16Seriously, what's going on? Why did you come here?
0:40:16 > 0:40:19Don't know. I panicked. Maybe I didn't want to go through...
0:40:19 > 0:40:22You know they're going to throw you out if you carry on like this.
0:40:22 > 0:40:25Coming here, covered in cuts and blood, it's a bit weird.
0:40:25 > 0:40:27You need medical care.
0:40:27 > 0:40:28Mmm. I know.
0:40:30 > 0:40:33When it became obvious that there's something wrong here,
0:40:33 > 0:40:36I think the communities were in a Catch 22 situation.
0:40:38 > 0:40:41They didn't want to overreact.
0:40:41 > 0:40:43You know, people have been shot,
0:40:43 > 0:40:47people have been killed, under false alarms.
0:40:47 > 0:40:51So I think most people would have initially, and did...
0:40:51 > 0:40:52just dismiss him.
0:40:52 > 0:40:55"It was just the rantings of a fool,
0:40:55 > 0:40:57"he's new in the religion, he'll settle down eventually."
0:40:57 > 0:41:00You know, "Everyone has their heated moments.
0:41:00 > 0:41:04"If he was really doing something, he wouldn't be making such a big deal out of it.
0:41:04 > 0:41:07"This is just him searching for attention.
0:41:07 > 0:41:10"And if I call the police,
0:41:10 > 0:41:12"helicopters,
0:41:12 > 0:41:14"door broken in, families being upset,
0:41:14 > 0:41:18"Islam is going to be dragged through the streets on the TVs again."
0:41:19 > 0:41:23"I don't want to be part of that. I don't want to be the one that did that."
0:41:26 > 0:41:30But...the last thing you want to see, as a Muslim,
0:41:30 > 0:41:34is for somebody to go and carry that out and you didn't report it.
0:41:38 > 0:41:42I remember receiving a call from one of my sergeants saying,
0:41:42 > 0:41:45"Boss, you're not going to believe this,
0:41:45 > 0:41:47"but we've had some people come to us and say,
0:41:47 > 0:41:49"'There's a guy who's got
0:41:49 > 0:41:52"blood on his hands, and he's got explosives.'"
0:41:58 > 0:42:00We often quite come across people
0:42:00 > 0:42:03who play with explosives because it's fun. They get excited by it.
0:42:03 > 0:42:09It's not unknown that the boy chemist will make stuff in the garden shed,
0:42:09 > 0:42:11and the first the parents will know it
0:42:11 > 0:42:15is when the garden shed has blown up. So, for me, I didn't know.
0:42:15 > 0:42:19"Am I dealing with a boy chemist, or am I dealing with somebody who's a potential terrorist,
0:42:19 > 0:42:21"who's going to set a bomb off in Bristol?"
0:42:21 > 0:42:25We are simple people who choose principles over fear.
0:42:25 > 0:42:30The difficulty about all the information that we had at the very beginning,
0:42:30 > 0:42:33which was a name, was actually, "Where do you go from there?"
0:42:33 > 0:42:36We needed to identify who that person was.
0:42:37 > 0:42:40"Did anybody know about this person?
0:42:40 > 0:42:42"Was he known to the police?
0:42:42 > 0:42:44"Was he capable of making explosives?
0:42:44 > 0:42:47"Was he involved with others?
0:42:48 > 0:42:50"Was this part of a much bigger plot?
0:42:50 > 0:42:52"Was he acting alone?
0:42:52 > 0:42:57"How close was he to being capable of detonating a device?"
0:42:57 > 0:42:59'Allah Akbar.'
0:42:59 > 0:43:02EXPLOSION
0:43:02 > 0:43:05Our internal enquiries didn't reveal who this might be.
0:43:05 > 0:43:08We went back to the other members of the community,
0:43:08 > 0:43:13and said, "Can you help us please?" And they came up trumps, they came up with a full name.
0:43:13 > 0:43:15Um, that took a number of days.
0:43:15 > 0:43:19Isa just stopped turning up to college...
0:43:23 > 0:43:27I texted him a few times and there was no reply.
0:43:27 > 0:43:31You are directly responsible for the problems in Palestine.
0:43:31 > 0:43:35As time went on, we built up a greater picture and a greater understanding
0:43:35 > 0:43:38of what sort of individual we were dealing with.
0:43:40 > 0:43:45We know that one afternoon he reacted quite aggressively
0:43:45 > 0:43:50to a couple of ladies promoting alcohol outside a bar...
0:43:52 > 0:43:55..saying it was wrong and inappropriate.
0:43:55 > 0:44:01'Over two million innocents died, waiting for a light at the end of a tunnel...'
0:44:01 > 0:44:06He certainly, I think, at that time described England as a toilet.
0:44:08 > 0:44:11We had information from the Department of Works and Pensions,
0:44:11 > 0:44:15that at his last interview he intimated he wasn't going to be claiming benefit in May.
0:44:17 > 0:44:20That caused me a lot of concern.
0:44:21 > 0:44:24You know, "Don't worry, I'm not going to need my benefits in May."
0:44:24 > 0:44:28Why not? We didn't think he was getting a job, so what was he up to?
0:44:30 > 0:44:32OK?
0:44:32 > 0:44:35HE GROANS Ah!
0:44:40 > 0:44:42Fuck!
0:44:48 > 0:44:52We knew this individual was spouting quite extremist views...
0:44:58 > 0:45:01..And we knew he potentially had been mixing chemicals.
0:45:05 > 0:45:08And then, my concern was, well, he was going to go.
0:45:08 > 0:45:11We are at war and I'm a soldier...
0:45:11 > 0:45:14now you too will taste the reality of the situation...
0:45:14 > 0:45:16He was going to go all the way.
0:45:16 > 0:45:19He felt that, "If I'm going to be a true Muslim.
0:45:19 > 0:45:24"True Muslims give up their life for the cause."
0:45:27 > 0:45:31'And the cause he felt was the Al-Qaeda ideology...'
0:45:31 > 0:45:35DISTORTED SPEECH
0:45:36 > 0:45:39Not mainstream Islam,
0:45:39 > 0:45:43that we know is actually a very peaceful religion.
0:45:43 > 0:45:47Blood is on the hands of all those who oppress Islam!
0:45:48 > 0:45:51Blood...is on the hands...
0:45:54 > 0:45:59Blood is on the hands of all those who oppress Islam.
0:46:04 > 0:46:08And so it has been asked of Allah...
0:46:09 > 0:46:12..to make me Mujahadeen!
0:46:12 > 0:46:15And so it has been asked of Allah to make me Mujahadeen,
0:46:15 > 0:46:16to make me Shaheed!
0:46:16 > 0:46:19To make me Shaheed...
0:46:19 > 0:46:23And I have stepped forward and said, "I am ready".
0:46:26 > 0:46:28And I have said, "I am ready".
0:46:28 > 0:46:32Ready to bring Jihad to the doors of the kuffar!
0:46:32 > 0:46:37Ready to bring Jihad to the doors of the kuffar!
0:46:37 > 0:46:40'And until you stop the bombing...' This is my destiny!
0:46:40 > 0:46:42'The gassing...' This is my destiny!
0:46:42 > 0:46:45'Imprisonment and torture of my people...'
0:46:45 > 0:46:47This is my destiny. 'We will not stop this fight.'
0:46:47 > 0:46:52We are at war and I am a soldier. 'We are at war.'
0:46:52 > 0:46:57We are at war and I am a soldier! 'I am a soldier.'
0:46:57 > 0:47:01Now you too will face the reality of this situation.
0:47:01 > 0:47:04Allah Akbar. Allah Akbar!
0:47:04 > 0:47:09'Until we feel security...' Allah Akbar! Allah Akbar!
0:47:09 > 0:47:12'You will be our targets.'
0:47:25 > 0:47:30Lucretius said back in the first century before Christ
0:47:30 > 0:47:33that religion is the cause of all the evils...
0:47:36 > 0:47:40..and obviously I wouldn't want to agree with that,
0:47:40 > 0:47:43but I do think there's a particular hazard about religion
0:47:43 > 0:47:47that it does confer great authority on certain individuals...
0:47:49 > 0:47:54..and that authority... can easily be abused
0:47:54 > 0:47:56because it can become a system
0:47:56 > 0:48:00for getting people to do what I want or what my group wants.
0:48:03 > 0:48:09Even till the point they press the button, or carry out the attack,
0:48:09 > 0:48:13we know for a fact, that we can still stop them.
0:48:13 > 0:48:16You can still talk to the individual and say, "Look, you know what,
0:48:16 > 0:48:20"before you press that button, listen to what I have to say."
0:48:20 > 0:48:24And you can still persuade them, we know that for a fact - there's doubt.
0:48:24 > 0:48:27PHONE RINGS
0:48:27 > 0:48:30'The person you are calling is unable to take your call.
0:48:30 > 0:48:32'Please leave a message after the tone.'
0:48:32 > 0:48:34It's me. Please pick up...
0:48:36 > 0:48:39I really need to talk to you.
0:48:39 > 0:48:41Please pick up the phone.
0:48:48 > 0:48:50Fuck.
0:48:55 > 0:48:57POLICE RADIO CHATTER
0:49:08 > 0:49:11I went to that address with a colleague of mine.
0:49:11 > 0:49:13The flat was in semi-darkness.
0:49:13 > 0:49:16There was a lot of cutlery, cups and that piled up on the sink.
0:49:16 > 0:49:20I looked at it, I don't know why, I just thought that was...
0:49:20 > 0:49:23imagine me living on my own - piling things up on the sink side.
0:49:26 > 0:49:30We found a number of bottles of hydrogen peroxide,
0:49:30 > 0:49:33there were some circuitry and some wire,
0:49:33 > 0:49:34tubs of nails and screws.
0:49:34 > 0:49:41We found 68 printed pages detailing precise biographies of the 7/7 and 9/11 bombers.
0:49:41 > 0:49:46We found the receipts for the purchases of all the items...
0:49:47 > 0:49:52..all the needles and threads and scissors to make the suicide vest.
0:49:52 > 0:49:57In total we think there would probably have been enough explosives
0:49:57 > 0:50:00to make the equivalent of what would be 11 hand grenades.
0:50:00 > 0:50:0311 hand grenades - being detonated in an area where
0:50:03 > 0:50:07the public are just, you know moving around in a normal fashion.
0:50:07 > 0:50:10That's going to kill a lot of people, maim a lot of people.
0:50:10 > 0:50:14MUSIC AND DISCORDANT SPEECH
0:50:29 > 0:50:33SHOOTING AND SHOUTING
0:50:33 > 0:50:35NOISE REVERBERATES
0:50:55 > 0:51:01I honestly believe these guys, most of these guys, young, young kids really...
0:51:01 > 0:51:03are living a fantasy world.
0:51:03 > 0:51:06They really are living a fantasy world, and they think
0:51:06 > 0:51:08they are genuine soldiers,
0:51:08 > 0:51:14and that training on Modern Warfare 2 is training enough as a soldier.
0:51:14 > 0:51:18You understand the tactics, you understand what it's like to hold a Kalashnikov
0:51:18 > 0:51:21because you've been playing it on PlayStation or Xbox.
0:51:21 > 0:51:25The game suddenly has become... "I'm involved."
0:51:28 > 0:51:32All they're doing is acting out a fantasy war game.
0:51:34 > 0:51:38And the fantasy only becomes reality when there's either a knock on the door,
0:51:38 > 0:51:40and the police, and it's over.
0:51:40 > 0:51:44"Oh my God, I'm actually in the real world now."
0:51:44 > 0:51:47Or, we don't get there in time,
0:51:47 > 0:51:50and then that fantasy plays itself out to the end.
0:52:12 > 0:52:15< Armed police! Stand still!
0:52:15 > 0:52:17Look at me! Put your arms out to the side.
0:52:17 > 0:52:19But I haven't done nothing.
0:52:19 > 0:52:21- Look at me, do as I say! - But I haven't done nothing!
0:52:21 > 0:52:24Put your arms out to the side. SIRENS BLARE
0:52:24 > 0:52:25Look at me!
0:52:25 > 0:52:27TYRES SCREECH
0:52:27 > 0:52:31- If you do as I say, no harm will come to you. - I haven't done nothing.
0:52:31 > 0:52:34Drop onto your knees. Do it now!
0:52:34 > 0:52:35Do it now!
0:52:38 > 0:52:41'With this I leave you to make up your own minds
0:52:41 > 0:52:47'and I ask you to make dua to Allah almighty to accept my work
0:52:47 > 0:52:50'and enter me into gardens of paradise...'
0:52:50 > 0:52:53- Arms out!- I haven't done nothing.
0:52:53 > 0:52:56'A paradise where there will be no suffering...'
0:52:56 > 0:52:58- What's in the bag? - Fuck off is what's in the bag!
0:52:58 > 0:53:02- Tell me what's in the bag. - I've got nothing in the bag! - Stay where you are!
0:53:02 > 0:53:03'No pain...'
0:53:04 > 0:53:08'..loneliness...or anger.'
0:53:11 > 0:53:13Stay down!
0:53:15 > 0:53:18'Just acceptance...
0:53:19 > 0:53:22'..And everlasting love.'
0:53:22 > 0:53:25'Bang.'
0:53:25 > 0:53:29Everything, just like the whole, writing equations in my book,
0:53:29 > 0:53:34his whole anti-Western views, joking about bombs,
0:53:34 > 0:53:37like, converting to Muslim so dramatically,
0:53:37 > 0:53:40just seemed to piece together and like switched a light on,
0:53:40 > 0:53:44and just made us realise, "OK, why didn't we realise this before?"
0:53:44 > 0:53:48He could have caused so much harm, it's just really,
0:53:48 > 0:53:51really frightening, that somebody I knew could've done that.
0:53:53 > 0:53:58It's sad really, he's a young man who looked like he was going to become a suicide bomber.
0:53:58 > 0:54:03I suspect there was opportunities. I think there are people who perhaps could've done more in the past.
0:54:03 > 0:54:06Only they know.
0:54:08 > 0:54:14Well, in hindsight, if I was back at school, I would've took him to one side to talk to him.
0:54:14 > 0:54:18Cos I, I know what depression's like.
0:54:18 > 0:54:22It's not nice, and to think that someone else went through it
0:54:22 > 0:54:27and you were probably one of the ones that was telling him to fuck off,
0:54:27 > 0:54:32makes me feel quite guilty. But, you can't turn back time.
0:54:32 > 0:54:33It's a shame really.
0:54:44 > 0:54:46I know many people think,
0:54:46 > 0:54:50"Why didn't you give up on him? He had loads of chances."
0:54:52 > 0:54:55I can't give up on him.
0:54:55 > 0:54:56He's my son.
0:54:56 > 0:54:59I don't want to lose my son.
0:55:05 > 0:55:10Andrew doesn't really talk to us about what happened.
0:55:10 > 0:55:13I think he feels deep shame about it.
0:55:18 > 0:55:22He's changed enormously. He's lost a lot of weight.
0:55:22 > 0:55:26He rings me most days, but on the 9th of December,
0:55:26 > 0:55:30in 2009, he sent me this card.
0:55:30 > 0:55:35And he's just written inside just a very small amount of text...
0:55:37 > 0:55:40..but it perhaps shows...
0:55:40 > 0:55:43an idea of how he's changed and he's put,
0:55:43 > 0:55:49"To Mum, I would like to say sorry for the things I did wrong...
0:55:49 > 0:55:51"as a teenager..."
0:55:53 > 0:55:57"After listening to a tape on obeying parents,
0:55:57 > 0:56:00"I became concerned...
0:56:00 > 0:56:05"and bought this card to ask for forgiveness, from you and Dad.
0:56:05 > 0:56:14"I hope you for...can forgive my shortcomings, in speech, and actions. Lots of love, Isa.'
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