0:00:08 > 0:00:09America.
0:00:09 > 0:00:12Land of the free, home of the brave.
0:00:12 > 0:00:15For much more than fourscore and seven years now,
0:00:15 > 0:00:18this country has been a leading light of the world,
0:00:18 > 0:00:20the source of some of the greatest achievements
0:00:20 > 0:00:24in arts and science for generations.
0:00:24 > 0:00:27But something has changed in recent months.
0:00:27 > 0:00:29Something rather...tangible.
0:00:32 > 0:00:33Oh, yes.
0:00:33 > 0:00:34That.
0:00:34 > 0:00:36Over the past 18 months,
0:00:36 > 0:00:37Donald Trump has erupted
0:00:37 > 0:00:40onto America's political and cultural landscape
0:00:40 > 0:00:42with unprecedented force.
0:00:42 > 0:00:47His braggadocious personality was already familiar to Americans
0:00:47 > 0:00:49from his years as a reality TV star.
0:00:49 > 0:00:52For a long time, though, few seriously thought
0:00:52 > 0:00:55that he'd succeed in his bid for the White House.
0:00:55 > 0:00:58But as he gathered momentum in the closing months of the election,
0:00:58 > 0:01:02reactions to Trump were about as subtle as the man himself.
0:01:04 > 0:01:08Much of the creative community across the worlds of cinema,
0:01:08 > 0:01:12television, music and art seem united in their opposition to him.
0:01:12 > 0:01:15But what's his real impact upon culture going to be?
0:01:15 > 0:01:17Mr Trump.
0:01:17 > 0:01:18Quiet, quiet.
0:01:18 > 0:01:19Brash.
0:01:19 > 0:01:20No, not you.
0:01:20 > 0:01:22Got a fast mouth, unpredictable.
0:01:22 > 0:01:23Don't be rude.
0:01:23 > 0:01:24I like his cut.
0:01:24 > 0:01:26I've travelled across America
0:01:26 > 0:01:28meeting those who love
0:01:28 > 0:01:30and loathe the man in equal measure...
0:01:30 > 0:01:33We need a strong...a father figure.
0:01:33 > 0:01:35A masculine figure, finally, in the White House.
0:01:35 > 0:01:36- CHEERING - Thank you.
0:01:36 > 0:01:39I don't think that Trump really cares about anybody.
0:01:39 > 0:01:42God bless America.
0:01:42 > 0:01:43I feel a storm brewing.
0:01:44 > 0:01:48..to find out what his own tastes can tell us about the man,
0:01:48 > 0:01:50how the arts and entertainment industries have responded
0:01:50 > 0:01:52to his first hundred days,
0:01:52 > 0:01:58and what the broader implications might be in the age of Trump.
0:01:58 > 0:02:03So hold on, because I think we may be in for a bumpy ride.
0:02:15 > 0:02:17So how on earth did we get here?
0:02:17 > 0:02:20The ascent of Trump to the White House was an event
0:02:20 > 0:02:23that next to nobody in the world of culture saw coming.
0:02:23 > 0:02:27Artists were blindsided when he took pole position
0:02:27 > 0:02:30in the electoral college last November.
0:02:30 > 0:02:36The pure divide between one half of the country and the other half,
0:02:36 > 0:02:38the inability for the two sides to talk,
0:02:38 > 0:02:43it feels very much like the pro- and anti-Vietnam War camps
0:02:43 > 0:02:46in the '60s in the United States -
0:02:46 > 0:02:50that we are so diametrically opposed in our thinking
0:02:50 > 0:02:54that there's no common ground on which to have any kind of discourse.
0:02:54 > 0:02:56I don't believe he has any real convictions.
0:02:56 > 0:02:58And therefore, he's capable of anything.
0:02:58 > 0:03:00I think that's what makes people so nervous.
0:03:00 > 0:03:04When someone has an ideology, then you can more or less predict
0:03:04 > 0:03:07what they're going to do in any given situation.
0:03:07 > 0:03:09With Trump, all bets are off.
0:03:09 > 0:03:14I think it is very much a pop culture sensibility.
0:03:14 > 0:03:20He watches television, he watches shows that he likes,
0:03:20 > 0:03:22he's concerned about ratings,
0:03:22 > 0:03:27so we have a pop culture president,
0:03:27 > 0:03:30in a way I think we've never had before.
0:03:30 > 0:03:32So far, a lot of the outrage about Trump
0:03:32 > 0:03:35has stemmed from this one big idea -
0:03:35 > 0:03:39that he's this gauche and brash vulgarian, a buffoon,
0:03:39 > 0:03:43this philistine who has zero feeling for and understanding of the arts.
0:03:43 > 0:03:45But I'm not sure it's quite so simple,
0:03:45 > 0:03:47and to understand a little more about the man,
0:03:47 > 0:03:51I've been reading this, his 1987 bestseller,
0:03:51 > 0:03:53The Art Of The Deal.
0:03:53 > 0:03:57Admittedly, not a word of it was written by the Donald himself -
0:03:57 > 0:04:01the entire thing was ghosted by the journalist Tony Schwartz,
0:04:01 > 0:04:04but nevertheless, it still contains plenty of insights
0:04:04 > 0:04:09into Trump's feelings for and attitude towards the arts.
0:04:12 > 0:04:16For one thing, he has a fanatical obsession with architecture,
0:04:16 > 0:04:18taking enormous pride in the skyscrapers
0:04:18 > 0:04:20he has scattered around Manhattan.
0:04:23 > 0:04:26Then there's the early desire to be an actor,
0:04:26 > 0:04:28an ambition that arguably came to fruition
0:04:28 > 0:04:32in his many, many film and television cameos.
0:04:33 > 0:04:35Look, without Derek Zoolander,
0:04:35 > 0:04:37male modelling wouldn't be what it is today.
0:04:38 > 0:04:43Or the bit where he gives his second grade teacher a black eye,
0:04:43 > 0:04:45because the young Donald didn't think the teacher
0:04:45 > 0:04:48knew enough about...music.
0:04:52 > 0:04:54Now, this may not be enormously popular, but actually,
0:04:54 > 0:04:57it is a little misleading to say that Trump
0:04:57 > 0:04:59is wholly uninterested in the world of culture.
0:04:59 > 0:05:01Take his towers.
0:05:01 > 0:05:03For the young property tycoon,
0:05:03 > 0:05:05his greatest achievement was the construction
0:05:05 > 0:05:09of his eponymous stronghold on Fifth Avenue.
0:05:09 > 0:05:10To make way for Trump Tower,
0:05:10 > 0:05:12another building that was on the same site,
0:05:12 > 0:05:15occupied by this department store called Bonwit Teller,
0:05:15 > 0:05:18had to be demolished, not without controversy.
0:05:18 > 0:05:23After agreeing to donate two historic Art Deco friezes
0:05:23 > 0:05:24to the Metropolitan Museum of Art,
0:05:24 > 0:05:28Trump baulked at the cost of saving them,
0:05:28 > 0:05:30and reneged completely on his promise,
0:05:30 > 0:05:32and he wrote in The Art Of The Deal
0:05:32 > 0:05:35that he ordered his guys to rip them down.
0:05:37 > 0:05:41The Bonwit Teller building had further significance in art history.
0:05:41 > 0:05:44In 1961, it was the site of an important display
0:05:44 > 0:05:48of Andy Warhol's breakthrough pop paintings.
0:05:48 > 0:05:51Two decades later, Andy was to come into the orbit of Trump,
0:05:51 > 0:05:53who was then midway through construction
0:05:53 > 0:05:55of his Fifth Avenue skyscraper.
0:05:56 > 0:05:58Encouraged by Trump,
0:05:58 > 0:06:00Warhol worked on this series of portraits of Trump Tower
0:06:00 > 0:06:04that he hoped one day would hang in the skyscraper's lobby,
0:06:04 > 0:06:05but unfortunately for him,
0:06:05 > 0:06:07the viewing of the eight finished paintings
0:06:07 > 0:06:09didn't really go very well.
0:06:09 > 0:06:10He recorded in his diary that,
0:06:10 > 0:06:13"Mr Trump was very upset,
0:06:13 > 0:06:14"because he didn't feel
0:06:14 > 0:06:16"that they were sufficiently colour-coordinated."
0:06:16 > 0:06:18So, much to Warhol's irritation,
0:06:18 > 0:06:22his paintings, sadly, remained unsold.
0:06:22 > 0:06:25# Ain't there one damn song that can make me
0:06:25 > 0:06:28# Break down and cry? #
0:06:30 > 0:06:33His own aesthetic is recognisable the world over
0:06:33 > 0:06:35for its gaudy, glittering bling.
0:06:37 > 0:06:41This house is an incredible piece of fantasy architecture
0:06:41 > 0:06:43in tropical South Florida.
0:06:45 > 0:06:49In 1999, Loyd Grossman visited Trump's palatial country club
0:06:49 > 0:06:52of Mar-a-Lago in Through The Keyhole.
0:06:54 > 0:06:58Now, the theme of this room is fairy tales,
0:06:58 > 0:07:02and particularly the tale of Sleeping Beauty,
0:07:02 > 0:07:04and it's a real tour de force.
0:07:04 > 0:07:05Just look at some of the details.
0:07:05 > 0:07:08With its full-length portrait
0:07:08 > 0:07:11of Trump in cricket gear, detractors see the building
0:07:11 > 0:07:13as a monument to his own ego.
0:07:15 > 0:07:18There's a fantasy about Mar-a-Lago.
0:07:18 > 0:07:21You walk into it, and...
0:07:21 > 0:07:25You feel as though you are in another place.
0:07:26 > 0:07:27It's, er...
0:07:27 > 0:07:29It's architecturally fascinating.
0:07:35 > 0:07:38Celebrated interior designer Carleton Varney
0:07:38 > 0:07:41not only maintains a residence minutes from Mar-a-Lago,
0:07:41 > 0:07:44but also has lived two floors below Donald Trump
0:07:44 > 0:07:48in New York's Trump Tower for the past three decades.
0:07:48 > 0:07:52All right, so, this is me with Rosalynn Carter.
0:07:52 > 0:07:55This is the Obama invite to the party.
0:07:55 > 0:07:56That's Jean Kennedy.
0:07:57 > 0:08:01Having redecorated the White House in the past,
0:08:01 > 0:08:05does he think that Trump's style tells us anything about the man?
0:08:05 > 0:08:08There's something in him that radiates to...
0:08:10 > 0:08:12..things that are...
0:08:14 > 0:08:17..not of the manner...
0:08:19 > 0:08:21..classically born.
0:08:21 > 0:08:28I think he is a person of fantasy in every way.
0:08:28 > 0:08:31Not only because of his personality,
0:08:31 > 0:08:35but because of his...de rigueur, his look.
0:08:35 > 0:08:38There's nothing mundane about Donald Trump.
0:08:40 > 0:08:43So Trump has always been the formidable presence
0:08:43 > 0:08:45we see on our screens today.
0:08:46 > 0:08:49But now that he occupies the highest office in the land,
0:08:49 > 0:08:51arguably even in the world,
0:08:51 > 0:08:54what does the art world make of him today?
0:08:57 > 0:09:01It might seem that the art world is in open revolt
0:09:01 > 0:09:03against America's new president.
0:09:04 > 0:09:07Some of New York's galleries have held exhibitions
0:09:07 > 0:09:11denouncing Trump in the immediate aftermath of his election...
0:09:12 > 0:09:15..while artists like Ai Weiwei and Shepard Fairey
0:09:15 > 0:09:18haven't held back, either.
0:09:18 > 0:09:20And away from the big cities,
0:09:20 > 0:09:23artists across the country are also responding.
0:09:30 > 0:09:33The bus I've been travelling on was once a campaign vehicle
0:09:33 > 0:09:37in the weeks after Donald Trump first announced his candidacy.
0:09:38 > 0:09:41But its purpose seems to have evolved a bit since then.
0:09:41 > 0:09:43Now it is owned and operated by artists
0:09:43 > 0:09:47who've been engaged in political activism for a decade.
0:09:48 > 0:09:52This, I have to say, is exceptionally surreal.
0:09:52 > 0:09:55You were, what, following him as he went around the country, or...?
0:09:55 > 0:09:57Well, the bus only goes 50mph and he has a jet!
0:09:57 > 0:09:59- THEY LAUGH - So ...
0:09:59 > 0:10:02We would look at the primary schedule for what states that day
0:10:02 > 0:10:05was the primary, and we'd go to all the Trump rallies we could get to.
0:10:05 > 0:10:08And so, basically, it was kind of a protest artwork
0:10:08 > 0:10:11that had followed the Trump schedule around the country.
0:10:11 > 0:10:12I mean, it's fascinating,
0:10:12 > 0:10:14because I know you call it an artwork,
0:10:14 > 0:10:17but it also is clearly a piece of political protest, really.
0:10:17 > 0:10:22So, which is it primarily for you? Is it art, or is it protest?
0:10:22 > 0:10:24Oh, no, for me, it's mostly a piece of art.
0:10:24 > 0:10:28I mean, my work tends to focus on politics and economics,
0:10:28 > 0:10:31and so I think that art needs to be more present in those fields.
0:10:31 > 0:10:34We never say we're protesters, we always say we're artists,
0:10:34 > 0:10:36and this is an artwork about Donald Trump,
0:10:36 > 0:10:38so just by eliminating that word from the conversation,
0:10:38 > 0:10:40we were able to engage with people much more.
0:10:40 > 0:10:43What about the reactions that you got when you were driving
0:10:43 > 0:10:44around in the campaigns?
0:10:44 > 0:10:46Did it ever turn violent or aggressive?
0:10:46 > 0:10:49I'd say the last month, six weeks before the election,
0:10:49 > 0:10:51people would yell at us, "Kill them, bomb them,"
0:10:51 > 0:10:53things like that, it got very violent.
0:10:53 > 0:10:56'Prolific authors Paul Auster and Siri Hustvedt
0:10:56 > 0:10:58'also aren't fans of Donald Trump.'
0:10:58 > 0:11:02Why is it that, you know, many, many, the majority of artists,
0:11:02 > 0:11:06writers, cultural people, just instinctively dislike the man?
0:11:06 > 0:11:08SHE CHUCKLES
0:11:08 > 0:11:12- Uh...- You mean, aside from the fact that he's a vulgar brute?
0:11:14 > 0:11:15SHE CHUCKLES
0:11:15 > 0:11:20I mean, his political positions are obnoxious, he's obnoxious,
0:11:20 > 0:11:22and he seems to have, as you say,
0:11:22 > 0:11:25nothing but a philistine's taste in art,
0:11:25 > 0:11:29so, why would artists think that he was someone interesting?
0:11:29 > 0:11:30He's not.
0:11:30 > 0:11:33Um, he's an appalling creature,
0:11:33 > 0:11:38and he's so unqualified to be president,
0:11:38 > 0:11:39he knows almost nothing.
0:11:39 > 0:11:43You are both writers, you are both artists in that broad sense -
0:11:43 > 0:11:46what should artists do?
0:11:46 > 0:11:49Is there a responsibility, a sort of moral obligation upon artists,
0:11:49 > 0:11:52do you believe, to react, to respond?
0:11:52 > 0:11:55Yes, I think that artists have,
0:11:55 > 0:11:58and will continue to ally themselves,
0:11:58 > 0:12:00with the resistance movement as a whole.
0:12:00 > 0:12:08And I think that agitprop can be valuable, overtly political art,
0:12:08 > 0:12:13but it's often, er, schematic, er, shallow...
0:12:13 > 0:12:17You can't dictate what kind of art artists should make,
0:12:17 > 0:12:21because, you know, a novel about a tea party on Fifth Avenue
0:12:21 > 0:12:26might be the most heartbreaking, important work of the decade.
0:12:26 > 0:12:28- It's impossible to know. - Is there a...?
0:12:28 > 0:12:30In a funny way, is there a sort of...?
0:12:30 > 0:12:33This will sound perhaps perverse, paradoxical,
0:12:33 > 0:12:36- but might Trump be a force for good in the culture?- I think so.
0:12:36 > 0:12:41I think the enlivening, not just of resistance,
0:12:41 > 0:12:45but of the kind of humour
0:12:45 > 0:12:52and creativity that is...made under pressure
0:12:52 > 0:12:54will be part of the Trump era.
0:12:54 > 0:12:58While writers see some reasons to be cheerful under Trump,
0:12:58 > 0:13:02readers are turning to dystopian fiction in their droves.
0:13:02 > 0:13:07Naturally, Nineteen-Eighty-Four is suddenly
0:13:07 > 0:13:08on the bestseller list.
0:13:08 > 0:13:11I think most readers who are resorting
0:13:11 > 0:13:15to dystopian fiction right now are from the left.
0:13:15 > 0:13:19It's just a way of comforting yourself with discomfort.
0:13:19 > 0:13:23It's saying there is a good reason that you are upset about this,
0:13:23 > 0:13:27you are on the side of right because you are trying to prevent
0:13:27 > 0:13:30this from happening to your country.
0:13:30 > 0:13:34The other thing that I think is a positive response to Trump
0:13:34 > 0:13:38is this new birth of activism across the country.
0:13:38 > 0:13:41I think, for the first time,
0:13:41 > 0:13:45women are leading the Resist movement,
0:13:45 > 0:13:50that there are more active women than ever before,
0:13:50 > 0:13:54and they are not followers, but actually leaders.
0:13:54 > 0:13:58- CHANTING:- Hey-hey! Ho-ho! Donald Trump has got to go!
0:13:58 > 0:13:59Hey-hey! Ho-ho...
0:13:59 > 0:14:02Donald Trump's election has mobilised women across the world,
0:14:02 > 0:14:06incensed by the misogynistic comments he's made over decades.
0:14:06 > 0:14:09Even before last January's women's march,
0:14:09 > 0:14:12Trump had been inspiring feminist work,
0:14:12 > 0:14:16like this video from Pussy Riot's Nadya Tolokonnikova,
0:14:16 > 0:14:19who was imprisoned in Russia for her political protest art.
0:14:19 > 0:14:21# Listen to your women
0:14:21 > 0:14:24# Stop killing black children
0:14:24 > 0:14:26# Make America great again... #
0:14:27 > 0:14:30So, the video is about how, um,
0:14:30 > 0:14:33how America could look like
0:14:33 > 0:14:34under the Trump administration,
0:14:34 > 0:14:37and obviously, it will be pretty violent towards women.
0:14:37 > 0:14:39And under Trump, that suddenly...?
0:14:39 > 0:14:41Under Trump, it became a really big topic,
0:14:41 > 0:14:43but it's not just about America,
0:14:43 > 0:14:45it's about the whole world,
0:14:45 > 0:14:48and I honestly live without borders, so that's why I'm helping
0:14:48 > 0:14:50my American friends to bring up this issue,
0:14:50 > 0:14:52which is really important.
0:14:52 > 0:14:57And I was disappointed with Trump, too, and we just wanted to slap him.
0:14:57 > 0:15:00He just said that we don't need, actually,
0:15:00 > 0:15:04to fund programmes for women who are victims of domestic violence,
0:15:04 > 0:15:05we just don't need it.
0:15:05 > 0:15:07He said that it's a waste.
0:15:07 > 0:15:11I was watching the video, and, you know, because it is satire,
0:15:11 > 0:15:14in some ways, it is quite broad-brush,
0:15:14 > 0:15:16you know, women get branded.
0:15:17 > 0:15:22Now, clearly, that's not happening in America, so, is there a sense...?
0:15:22 > 0:15:24Oh, it is, it's happening.
0:15:24 > 0:15:28When you're a girl and you're 13 years old,
0:15:28 > 0:15:34and your President calls a woman "fat pig",
0:15:34 > 0:15:36she is branded.
0:15:36 > 0:15:38It is what is called stigmatisation.
0:15:38 > 0:15:40And the President is a big figure -
0:15:40 > 0:15:43every time when you watch the news, you see his face,
0:15:43 > 0:15:46and he is saying terrible things about women.
0:15:46 > 0:15:51What do you think artists should do in America, in a time like this,
0:15:51 > 0:15:53if they oppose Trump, personally, politically?
0:15:53 > 0:15:57Should they feel they have a responsibility
0:15:57 > 0:15:58to make protest art?
0:15:58 > 0:16:02I'm just trying to think, not just about what will happen tomorrow,
0:16:02 > 0:16:05or in one year,
0:16:05 > 0:16:07but what will happen after 50 years.
0:16:07 > 0:16:12I think you just have to take your hands and do something.
0:16:14 > 0:16:17Ah, I can see this Astroturf plinth, Brian...
0:16:17 > 0:16:20Brooklyn artist Brian Whitely found himself under
0:16:20 > 0:16:23the full scrutiny of the law when he provocatively erected
0:16:23 > 0:16:26a gravestone bearing Trump's name
0:16:26 > 0:16:28in Central Park last year.
0:16:29 > 0:16:32- With the Police Department sticker! - Yeah. Evidence.
0:16:32 > 0:16:35- Oh, in fact, an evidence tag! Right, fantastic.- Evidence tags.
0:16:35 > 0:16:37As I understand it, the Secret Service,
0:16:37 > 0:16:39they saw this thing as a death threat to Trump.
0:16:39 > 0:16:41Yeah. I get the knock on the door,
0:16:41 > 0:16:44and two Secret Service guys and two...
0:16:44 > 0:16:46Intimidating people?
0:16:46 > 0:16:49Yeah! Two NYPD officers in suits.
0:16:49 > 0:16:51I was fingerprinted, photographed,
0:16:51 > 0:16:53I'm on a Secret Service watchlist.
0:16:53 > 0:16:56Suddenly, it starts to sound kind of Kafkaesque, very dark.
0:16:56 > 0:16:59Yeah, it does, it becomes, um, a bit troubling.
0:16:59 > 0:17:04But at the same time, I was within my rights.
0:17:04 > 0:17:07At the end of the day, after the interrogation,
0:17:07 > 0:17:11the piece was, um...it was brought down to a littering fine,
0:17:11 > 0:17:14because that's all that they could actually get me on in New York.
0:17:14 > 0:17:17But do you not think - I mean, slightly to play devil's advocate -
0:17:17 > 0:17:20if a tombstone had appeared overnight during Obama's presidency
0:17:20 > 0:17:23saying, "Barack Obama, born...", you know, the same thing
0:17:23 > 0:17:25would have happened, surely?
0:17:25 > 0:17:26Or you feel that something has changed?
0:17:26 > 0:17:28I think something has changed.
0:17:28 > 0:17:31Everything, for me, ties back to what Trump's been campaigning upon -
0:17:31 > 0:17:34alternative media and alt-right people are now
0:17:34 > 0:17:40becoming more into the mainstream, so you see more hate crimes
0:17:40 > 0:17:44going on in this country and less denouncement of that.
0:17:44 > 0:17:48He was condemning the First Amendment, saying,
0:17:48 > 0:17:52well, maybe this First Amendment is a little too liberal for his taste.
0:17:52 > 0:17:53The First Amendment being, we can say...
0:17:53 > 0:17:56people in America are allowed to say whatever they wish.
0:17:56 > 0:17:57Freedom of speech.
0:17:57 > 0:17:59What about, more specifically,
0:17:59 > 0:18:01the issue of Trump's impact on the arts?
0:18:01 > 0:18:03Well, I think it's changed the dynamic, for sure.
0:18:03 > 0:18:06I mean, for me, being, like, one of the first artists
0:18:06 > 0:18:07to do a piece, like, I knew immediately
0:18:07 > 0:18:10when he was campaigning that I had to respond,
0:18:10 > 0:18:12and you're seeing it more so now than ever.
0:18:12 > 0:18:15I don't see a lot of artist peers of mine
0:18:15 > 0:18:18who are sitting in their studios, doing, you know,
0:18:18 > 0:18:20abstract expressionism or something like that.
0:18:20 > 0:18:22They are focused on politics now.
0:18:27 > 0:18:31Trump's first 100 days in office were a blizzard of activity...
0:18:33 > 0:18:35..with North Korea,
0:18:35 > 0:18:37travel bans,
0:18:37 > 0:18:38meetings with foreign leaders
0:18:38 > 0:18:42and the Syrian crisis dominating the news agenda.
0:18:42 > 0:18:46Apart from picking fights with Hollywood stars on Twitter,
0:18:46 > 0:18:49Trump's only real engagement with the world of culture
0:18:49 > 0:18:52has been a series of quarrels over federal funding
0:18:52 > 0:18:56for the National Endowments for the Arts and the Humanities.
0:18:56 > 0:18:59These agencies, roughly equivalent to the Arts Council in Britain,
0:18:59 > 0:19:02were once located in this Washington building -
0:19:02 > 0:19:05now, ironically, a Trump Hotel.
0:19:06 > 0:19:09In his draft budget last March,
0:19:09 > 0:19:12the President proposed eradicating them entirely.
0:19:12 > 0:19:15But, after much brinkmanship with Congress,
0:19:15 > 0:19:19they have now been awarded almost 4 million extra,
0:19:19 > 0:19:23though the threat of elimination still looms on the horizon.
0:19:26 > 0:19:28How would you characterise Trump's attitude
0:19:28 > 0:19:30towards the arts in general?
0:19:30 > 0:19:33Americans For The Arts, among the things that we do,
0:19:33 > 0:19:34we survey all the presidential candidates.
0:19:34 > 0:19:38Donald Trump's answer was that he loved the arts,
0:19:38 > 0:19:41but when asked about funding of the arts, public money,
0:19:41 > 0:19:44what he said was, "I would leave that to Congress."
0:19:44 > 0:19:49So, that's pro-arts in attitude, unclear about public policy.
0:19:49 > 0:19:51But how much money are we talking here?
0:19:51 > 0:19:53Well, it's symbolic.
0:19:53 > 0:19:57We're talking about 46 cents a person in America, that's tiny...
0:19:57 > 0:20:02- In a year?- Yeah, in a year, 46 cents per person.
0:20:02 > 0:20:05Why should the government be funding the arts?
0:20:05 > 0:20:08I think that the case for the advancement and the support
0:20:08 > 0:20:12of the arts starts off with the fact that the American public wants it.
0:20:12 > 0:20:1689% of the American public in polling says they want art
0:20:16 > 0:20:18in the lives of their children.
0:20:18 > 0:20:22They want art in schools as part of their curriculum.
0:20:22 > 0:20:24It's a small percentage of people
0:20:24 > 0:20:27that actually are against public funding for the arts
0:20:27 > 0:20:28but they're very vocal.
0:20:28 > 0:20:32It's also very true that the arts are an economic impact benefit,
0:20:32 > 0:20:35they're a jobs benefit, all the data shows that as well.
0:20:35 > 0:20:39So this must feel like a very strange time
0:20:39 > 0:20:42to be forced to continue to make that case
0:20:42 > 0:20:44with Donald Trump as president.
0:20:44 > 0:20:49It comes up in the entire history of our country again and again.
0:20:49 > 0:20:51There are forces that want things
0:20:51 > 0:20:54like the arts and culture in their lives,
0:20:54 > 0:20:56with the help of government,
0:20:56 > 0:21:00and there are forces that want everybody to be on their own.
0:21:00 > 0:21:0332 years ago, the Reagan administration
0:21:03 > 0:21:05put forward elimination of the arts.
0:21:05 > 0:21:09That was turned around and the funding of the arts was kept.
0:21:09 > 0:21:12There have been many attempts to eliminate
0:21:12 > 0:21:14the National Endowments for the Arts and Humanities,
0:21:14 > 0:21:16and there have been attacks on the corporate broadcasting system
0:21:16 > 0:21:19all along - this is nothing new. These things go to Congress.
0:21:19 > 0:21:22Congress ultimately decides what the budget is going to be.
0:21:22 > 0:21:25A lot of people felt somewhat complacent that Trump
0:21:25 > 0:21:27wouldn't actually propose these cuts to begin with.
0:21:27 > 0:21:30But anybody who's predicting anything about American politics
0:21:30 > 0:21:33at this point is likely to be chastened by reality.
0:21:33 > 0:21:37Throughout this political gridlock, many have rushed
0:21:37 > 0:21:39to ridicule Donald Trump.
0:21:43 > 0:21:46100 days in office, so many accomplishments -
0:21:46 > 0:21:47lowered my golf handicap,
0:21:47 > 0:21:50my Twitter following increased by 700,
0:21:50 > 0:21:52and finally, we can shoot hibernating bears.
0:21:52 > 0:21:54My boys will love that.
0:21:54 > 0:21:56Sir, here's a new bill that you must read immediately.
0:21:56 > 0:21:59It lowers taxes for only Republicans.
0:21:59 > 0:22:02- Can't Fox News read it and I'll watch what they say?- No.
0:22:02 > 0:22:03You have to read it.
0:22:05 > 0:22:08Oh, God, this is horrible.
0:22:09 > 0:22:12This was supposed to last me the whole four years.
0:22:14 > 0:22:18And he's caused more than a few family feuds.
0:22:18 > 0:22:21I'm the one who's got all the heavy hitters supporting me.
0:22:21 > 0:22:24I mean, I have got the cream of the crop.
0:22:24 > 0:22:26I've got Sarah Palin.
0:22:26 > 0:22:30I've got Chachi. And get this,
0:22:30 > 0:22:32I've even got the best Baldwin brother -
0:22:32 > 0:22:34Stephen Baldwin.
0:22:34 > 0:22:36LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE
0:22:36 > 0:22:39What do I think of my big brother's impersonation?
0:22:39 > 0:22:41Erm... Brilliant.
0:22:41 > 0:22:43Very funny...
0:22:43 > 0:22:47Technically, when it comes to the comedy stuff.
0:22:47 > 0:22:49I got in trouble when I said that
0:22:49 > 0:22:52I didn't think his impersonation was funny.
0:22:52 > 0:22:56What I really said in the context of it was I didn't think
0:22:56 > 0:23:00some of the stuff they were doing was fair to other family members.
0:23:00 > 0:23:05It started to get pretty creepy and personal.
0:23:05 > 0:23:08Think of it this way. If a person you did not know came
0:23:08 > 0:23:09from a foreign country
0:23:09 > 0:23:12and just started flattering you, what would you do?
0:23:12 > 0:23:13Marry them.
0:23:15 > 0:23:18Stephen Baldwin first got to know Donald Trump
0:23:18 > 0:23:22when he was a memorable contestant on Celebrity Apprentice.
0:23:22 > 0:23:23I would hope that Hollywood
0:23:23 > 0:23:25would soften its tone towards President Trump
0:23:25 > 0:23:28cos the more they break him down,
0:23:28 > 0:23:31the more difficult they make his job.
0:23:31 > 0:23:36And again - this is going to sound pretty sketchy, what I'm saying -
0:23:36 > 0:23:39I think Hollywood hates President Trump.
0:23:39 > 0:23:41Not everybody. There are some organisations
0:23:41 > 0:23:43in Hollywood that are conservative.
0:23:43 > 0:23:45But I think we're going to see a big movement,
0:23:45 > 0:23:48the pendulum is swinging back the other way now, so, sure,
0:23:48 > 0:23:51Hollywood is going to be kicking and screaming for quite some time.
0:23:51 > 0:23:58And I even cast a foreshadowing here of Hollywood better be careful
0:23:58 > 0:24:00about how much it makes fun of Donald Trump
0:24:00 > 0:24:03cos I think it's going to lose a lot of its audience
0:24:03 > 0:24:05if it doesn't, kind of, swing back
0:24:05 > 0:24:07to the middle a little bit and lighten up.
0:24:07 > 0:24:09When Baldwin undertook some artwork
0:24:09 > 0:24:12as part of a surprising Apprentice task,
0:24:12 > 0:24:15he was joined in the gallery by his agent Matt Rich
0:24:15 > 0:24:18who'd also run the publicity for Trump's Miss America pageant
0:24:18 > 0:24:20for two decades.
0:24:20 > 0:24:24What I'm finding, and I think it's fair to say,
0:24:24 > 0:24:27is a lot of people who work in the arts,
0:24:27 > 0:24:30they feel a natural resistance, for whatever reason...
0:24:30 > 0:24:32Why do you say natural of all things?
0:24:32 > 0:24:35Well, they resist. There seems to be a lot of opposition
0:24:35 > 0:24:37to Trump and the Republicans.
0:24:37 > 0:24:40- I would certainly not call it natural.- No.- Not in any sense.
0:24:40 > 0:24:43So the thing I'd love to get a sense from...from you
0:24:43 > 0:24:47is whether or not you believe that that resistance is as widespread
0:24:47 > 0:24:49as perhaps it's painted to be?
0:24:49 > 0:24:50No, I don't believe so.
0:24:50 > 0:24:52My sense, though, is that
0:24:52 > 0:24:54someone who has something to lose
0:24:54 > 0:24:57might feel threatened by a boycott
0:24:57 > 0:25:02or by, "Gee, Meryl Streep, sort of the queen of our industry,
0:25:02 > 0:25:06"is saying this, we must also believe it."
0:25:06 > 0:25:08I don't think people believe it in their heart.
0:25:08 > 0:25:11And I think there is, what's that great term from Spiro,
0:25:11 > 0:25:13Vice President Spiro Agnew under Nixon?
0:25:13 > 0:25:17"The great silent majority" of performers
0:25:17 > 0:25:20probably feel differently, but keep their mouth shut.
0:25:20 > 0:25:24There is no advantage in backing Mr Trump vocally
0:25:24 > 0:25:26and there are perceived disadvantages.
0:25:28 > 0:25:31What seems to outrage the cultural elite the most
0:25:31 > 0:25:33is when one of their own goes rogue
0:25:33 > 0:25:36and publicly declares support for the new president.
0:25:38 > 0:25:42January's inauguration was a stunning case in point
0:25:42 > 0:25:44because every four years, the tradition is you have
0:25:44 > 0:25:47luminaries from the world of entertainment
0:25:47 > 0:25:50who ring in the newly elected or re-elected president.
0:25:50 > 0:25:53So Bill Clinton had Michael Jackson, Elton John.
0:25:53 > 0:25:56George W Bush had Ricky Martin.
0:25:56 > 0:25:58Barack Obama had Beyonce.
0:25:58 > 0:25:59But Donald Trump...?
0:26:03 > 0:26:05CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
0:26:05 > 0:26:08One star who did heed the call was Sam Moore,
0:26:08 > 0:26:11of legendary Stax Records duo Sam And Dave,
0:26:11 > 0:26:14who enlisted once he heard that Trump was in need.
0:26:14 > 0:26:17Despite braving the cold January air
0:26:17 > 0:26:20the backlash against Sam was immediate.
0:26:20 > 0:26:23Rapper Snoop Dogg branded him an "Uncle Tom".
0:26:25 > 0:26:26I'm not an uncle...
0:26:26 > 0:26:28I'm a father, I'm a great-grandfather
0:26:28 > 0:26:30and I'm a grandfather.
0:26:30 > 0:26:32I'm none of the uncles, OK?
0:26:32 > 0:26:33So...
0:26:34 > 0:26:37But it was ridiculous.
0:26:37 > 0:26:40'It was doing what I felt was right and I knew it was right.
0:26:40 > 0:26:43'I just sang and then I turned and I walked off.'
0:26:43 > 0:26:47# I'm talking about America... #
0:26:47 > 0:26:51'I felt wonderful. I did. I felt wonderful.
0:26:51 > 0:26:55'I felt like I was part of America.'
0:26:55 > 0:26:57I am an American.
0:26:57 > 0:27:00I was not an African-American,
0:27:00 > 0:27:03I wasn't a coloured boy, I wasn't negro,
0:27:03 > 0:27:08I was a man that loves his country
0:27:08 > 0:27:12and I was doing something in honour of my country
0:27:12 > 0:27:16'at a special time on a special day.
0:27:16 > 0:27:18'And that's how I took it.'
0:27:18 > 0:27:22# Oh...
0:27:22 > 0:27:24# Yeah... #
0:27:26 > 0:27:28Mr Trump...
0:27:30 > 0:27:34Brash, says things, unpredictable.
0:27:34 > 0:27:37He's accomplished something, whether you like it or not,
0:27:37 > 0:27:39whether you want to give him the credit or not.
0:27:39 > 0:27:44So why don't you stop, guys, ladies and gentlemen,
0:27:44 > 0:27:46and let's just give it a chance?
0:27:46 > 0:27:51You know what? If we get behind him to do well, to succeed...
0:27:54 > 0:27:55..he'll do better.
0:27:57 > 0:27:58I like his cut.
0:28:03 > 0:28:06Trump's fan base also extends to younger enthusiasts,
0:28:06 > 0:28:10some of whom signalled their support for the president through artwork.
0:28:12 > 0:28:15- This is the new apartment. - This is the new apartment.
0:28:15 > 0:28:18- I am still just moving in.- Yeah, OK.
0:28:18 > 0:28:20Since the election Lucian Wintrich has become
0:28:20 > 0:28:23a poster boy for the alt-right, following the exhibition
0:28:23 > 0:28:24Daddy Will Save Us,
0:28:24 > 0:28:28which he organised in support of Trump in New York.
0:28:28 > 0:28:31His photography series, Twinks For Trump,
0:28:31 > 0:28:33loomed large over the gallery.
0:28:33 > 0:28:36And the name of the show was what? It was Daddy...
0:28:36 > 0:28:38- Daddy Will Save Us.- Daddy?
0:28:38 > 0:28:40A joke that we,
0:28:40 > 0:28:44a lot of gay Trump supporters were playing off of,
0:28:44 > 0:28:49is we need a strong father figure, a masculine figure,
0:28:49 > 0:28:50finally in the White House.
0:28:50 > 0:28:52It feels like there's a satirical component there.
0:28:52 > 0:28:54I'm still struggling to quite get what it is.
0:28:54 > 0:28:57Before this... Before this project came along,
0:28:57 > 0:28:59people would say, "Trump supporters, they are ignorant,
0:28:59 > 0:29:03"they're old white men who work in the coal industry in the Midwest."
0:29:03 > 0:29:06That is the declared premise of who supports Trump.
0:29:06 > 0:29:11I personally thought it was very, very funny to take that imagery,
0:29:11 > 0:29:17take this classic trucker hat and throw it into a new context.
0:29:17 > 0:29:21Is there an irony that perhaps, well...I don't know.
0:29:21 > 0:29:24You said many of the models wouldn't vote Trump.
0:29:24 > 0:29:27Most of them rejected both of the candidates.
0:29:27 > 0:29:32Almost everybody, I don't know anybody around my age
0:29:32 > 0:29:34who is gay who really applauded Hillary.
0:29:34 > 0:29:38What seems to have happened subsequent to the election
0:29:38 > 0:29:39is a transformation for you
0:29:39 > 0:29:43from artist to White House correspondent, right?
0:29:43 > 0:29:45- Right.- For The Gateway Pundit.
0:29:45 > 0:29:47Just describe what The Gateway Pundit is.
0:29:47 > 0:29:50The Gateway Pundit is a right-leaning website.
0:29:50 > 0:29:52It's still fast news
0:29:52 > 0:29:54so we're functioning in a fast news era.
0:29:54 > 0:29:57How did you get into it? Because one of the things that...
0:29:57 > 0:30:00My understanding - and you tell me if I'm wrong -
0:30:00 > 0:30:03is that you sort of pitched up in Washington and,
0:30:03 > 0:30:06what do you call it, the traditional media correspondents,
0:30:06 > 0:30:07they do things in a different way,
0:30:07 > 0:30:12and it seems like you're trying to goad, provoke them,
0:30:12 > 0:30:14for reasons that maybe you'll explain.
0:30:14 > 0:30:15I don't know. Is that fair?
0:30:15 > 0:30:17I mean, it's relatively fair.
0:30:17 > 0:30:19I thought I'd actually have to provoke them
0:30:19 > 0:30:22and then I realised me just being in the same room as them
0:30:22 > 0:30:25really bothers them, cos they know I got this position
0:30:25 > 0:30:30after a series of erotic Trump photographs,
0:30:30 > 0:30:32which is, in and of itself, I think, hilarious.
0:30:35 > 0:30:38Vote The Deplorables - what is this?
0:30:38 > 0:30:41So that was actually done by Sabo,
0:30:41 > 0:30:44who he is a Los Angeles street artist
0:30:44 > 0:30:46and he was wildly pro-Trump
0:30:46 > 0:30:49so, yeah, we got the toupee here, which is wonderful.
0:30:49 > 0:30:52Just explain how it's a positive image.
0:30:52 > 0:30:56Um...because, again, we are the new punk rock.
0:30:56 > 0:31:01Part of the fun of being a Trump supporter
0:31:01 > 0:31:07is it is counterculture, it is like New Wave or, yeah,
0:31:07 > 0:31:11the skinheads, before skinheads became Nazis.
0:31:11 > 0:31:14Are you...? Do you share any of the concerns,
0:31:14 > 0:31:16the fears that other people have about Trump?
0:31:16 > 0:31:18We need to disrupt the federal government right now
0:31:18 > 0:31:21and Trump is doing that.
0:31:21 > 0:31:26He is doing it in such a wonderfully pop culture way.
0:31:26 > 0:31:28'As Lucien demonstrates,
0:31:28 > 0:31:30'arguably the biggest culture shock with the advent of Trump
0:31:30 > 0:31:34'has been the administration's relationship with the media.'
0:31:34 > 0:31:37These attempts to lessen the enthusiasm of the inauguration
0:31:37 > 0:31:39are shameful and wrong.
0:31:39 > 0:31:42Sean Spicer's beleaguered press conferences
0:31:42 > 0:31:44have made headlines around the world.
0:31:44 > 0:31:46This was the largest audience
0:31:46 > 0:31:49to ever witness an inauguration - period.
0:31:49 > 0:31:51One of the biggest changes has been the upending
0:31:51 > 0:31:53of the usual pecking order.
0:31:53 > 0:31:56In the past, outlets like CNN, the Associated Press,
0:31:56 > 0:31:59they were given first dibs on questions,
0:31:59 > 0:32:01but now, a new breed of correspondent
0:32:01 > 0:32:04is making its way into the bear pit.
0:32:04 > 0:32:06Some of them are known as Skyper fans,
0:32:06 > 0:32:09because they ask these innocuous questions
0:32:09 > 0:32:12that are sycophantic to the Trump administration
0:32:12 > 0:32:14and get beamed into the White House press room
0:32:14 > 0:32:16via online video messaging,
0:32:16 > 0:32:19leaving those big beasts from the traditional media
0:32:19 > 0:32:21groaning in frustration.
0:32:21 > 0:32:24The whole media landscape is being reshaped,
0:32:24 > 0:32:28with the administration even threatening earlier this year
0:32:28 > 0:32:31to abolish funding for public service broadcasting.
0:32:31 > 0:32:33There has been some speculation
0:32:33 > 0:32:37that perhaps this gambit's motivated by a certain character
0:32:37 > 0:32:42who pops up from time to time on PBS's beloved Sesame Street.
0:32:44 > 0:32:47Grump!
0:32:47 > 0:32:49# Who has more trash than anyone does?
0:32:49 > 0:32:51- # Grump!- Grump!- Grump!
0:32:51 > 0:32:54# Who has the best rubbish and scuzz?
0:32:54 > 0:32:56- # Grump!- Grump!- Grump!
0:32:57 > 0:33:01He's coming! Here he comes.
0:33:01 > 0:33:03- # I'm the trashiest - Grump!
0:33:03 > 0:33:09- # I'm the grouchiest - Gru-u-u-ump!
0:33:09 > 0:33:11I am Donald Grump
0:33:11 > 0:33:14and I have more trash than all of you
0:33:14 > 0:33:16so nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah!
0:33:16 > 0:33:20Of course, this was far from a real attack on Trump.
0:33:20 > 0:33:24But the new POTUS's trash talk has seen a surge in hostilities
0:33:24 > 0:33:26between the president and the mainstream media,
0:33:26 > 0:33:30causing some to draw parallels with other regimes.
0:33:30 > 0:33:35Trump himself said, in very chilling terms,
0:33:35 > 0:33:39the press is the enemy of the public,
0:33:39 > 0:33:41which is frightening.
0:33:41 > 0:33:45I mean, this sounds like something we would have heard
0:33:45 > 0:33:50under Hitler and Goebbels back in the day.
0:33:50 > 0:33:54It was also the title of the play by Ibsen, for goodness sakes.
0:33:54 > 0:33:56Enemy Of The People.
0:33:56 > 0:34:03And so if he feels that he can start attacking the press in this way,
0:34:03 > 0:34:08in other words, calling it fake, lies,
0:34:08 > 0:34:11anything he doesn't like,
0:34:11 > 0:34:16then I could see a moment, if things go in a certain way,
0:34:16 > 0:34:20in which they can start taking away freedom of speech
0:34:20 > 0:34:21and make it legal.
0:34:21 > 0:34:25No, not you. Not you. Your organisation is terrible.
0:34:25 > 0:34:29Today, it seems Trump's modus operandi
0:34:29 > 0:34:33is to label all those who oppose him as liars or weaklings.
0:34:33 > 0:34:37In no sector is this more pronounced than the world of news.
0:34:37 > 0:34:40Some in Trump's administration say that the mainstream media
0:34:40 > 0:34:44were too cosy with the old order.
0:34:44 > 0:34:46Do you remember how, last year, "post-truth"
0:34:46 > 0:34:48was the Oxford Dictionary's word of the year?
0:34:48 > 0:34:50Maybe you've already forgotten
0:34:50 > 0:34:53because it's now been superseded by another, related phrase -
0:34:53 > 0:34:56fake news.
0:34:56 > 0:35:00Don't be... I am not going to give you a question.
0:35:00 > 0:35:01You are fake news.
0:35:01 > 0:35:04"Fake news" first gained some currency
0:35:04 > 0:35:10when Buzzfeed began investigating websites sprouting up online.
0:35:10 > 0:35:12I think we saw
0:35:12 > 0:35:15fake news start to bleed into the campaign
0:35:15 > 0:35:18in the spring and summer of 2016
0:35:18 > 0:35:20and really, what you saw were these sites
0:35:20 > 0:35:24you had never heard of - Trump 365, trueconservative.com -
0:35:24 > 0:35:27things you'd never heard of publishing stories that,
0:35:27 > 0:35:30when we really dug into it, were the most widely shared stories
0:35:30 > 0:35:32on Facebook that day.
0:35:32 > 0:35:34They appear to be teenage entrepreneurs,
0:35:34 > 0:35:35there have been questions about
0:35:35 > 0:35:39whether there were any Russian... if there was anybody from Russia
0:35:39 > 0:35:41anywhere near that operation but that hasn't been shown.
0:35:41 > 0:35:45As soon as a lot of...what I would say the legitimate media
0:35:45 > 0:35:47started reporting on this phenomenon of fake news,
0:35:47 > 0:35:50the answer from people who are making up stories and spreading lies
0:35:50 > 0:35:51was "No, you are fake news."
0:35:51 > 0:35:53So he seized on fake news
0:35:53 > 0:35:54and turned it around
0:35:54 > 0:35:56so anything that is basically
0:35:56 > 0:35:58negative about him is now fake news,
0:35:58 > 0:35:59which was clever.
0:35:59 > 0:36:02It's the same sort of...
0:36:02 > 0:36:04That is the 1984 aspect.
0:36:04 > 0:36:09During the election, when he first started saying "Crooked Hillary",
0:36:09 > 0:36:12everybody said, "That's over the top, it won't have any impact."
0:36:12 > 0:36:14It turned out to have enormous impact -
0:36:14 > 0:36:18very simple phrases, just repeat them, repeat them.
0:36:18 > 0:36:20Hillary is an unstable person.
0:36:20 > 0:36:23There is no better place for short, catchy messages
0:36:23 > 0:36:27than Twitter's 140 characters.
0:36:27 > 0:36:31It is interesting, the tweeting. People think that it's a sign
0:36:31 > 0:36:33he's crazy, but he's sort of crazy like a fox.
0:36:33 > 0:36:37He sees it, I think, as his own TV network. He has got...
0:36:37 > 0:36:41Between Twitter and Facebook and various other online mediums,
0:36:41 > 0:36:46he claims to have between 50 and 100 million followers.
0:36:46 > 0:36:48Now if you compare that to the number of people
0:36:48 > 0:36:51watching broadcast news every evening, it is much bigger.
0:36:51 > 0:36:54So whenever there is a big, unfavourable story about him,
0:36:54 > 0:36:55usually the Russian story,
0:36:55 > 0:36:59inevitably, he comes out with some sensational tweet.
0:36:59 > 0:37:00Like a lot of people,
0:37:00 > 0:37:03I think he's addicted to the online world and tweeting,
0:37:03 > 0:37:06but also sees it as an invaluable tool,
0:37:06 > 0:37:07so that is why he doesn't give it up.
0:37:09 > 0:37:12I have met so people who support...
0:37:12 > 0:37:16I hope President Trump succeeds at making America great again.
0:37:16 > 0:37:19..or oppose America's new president.
0:37:19 > 0:37:22The only person he believes in is himself.
0:37:22 > 0:37:25I'm not sure I can see these two sides ever reconciling.
0:37:25 > 0:37:29But I wonder what his ultimate impact on the arts will be.
0:37:30 > 0:37:33Perversely, having become this hate figure
0:37:33 > 0:37:37for many people on the left associated with the arts,
0:37:37 > 0:37:41Trump, paradoxically, seems to be stimulating creativity
0:37:41 > 0:37:44because he represents something, he's a symbol of something
0:37:44 > 0:37:47that artists can oppose and rail against.
0:37:47 > 0:37:50But at the same time, Trump, time and again
0:37:50 > 0:37:52has proven wrong those people who've dismissed him -
0:37:52 > 0:37:55at one stage, he was supposedly this vile clown,
0:37:55 > 0:37:58with zero chance of making it to the White House,
0:37:58 > 0:38:00and look what happened there.
0:38:00 > 0:38:04So I really believe this is no time for complacency.
0:38:04 > 0:38:08Any civilised society must cherish artistic expression
0:38:08 > 0:38:13and surely nowhere more so than in a country that prides itself
0:38:13 > 0:38:15on being the land of the free.
0:38:33 > 0:38:38Donald Trump is a very nice person. I am a nice person.