0:00:28 > 0:00:32BIRDS CAW
0:00:43 > 0:00:46This is the Sisters' cemetery.
0:00:46 > 0:00:48This is the graveyard of the monastery.
0:00:51 > 0:00:53And when I die,
0:00:53 > 0:00:56which I don't think will be all that long,
0:00:56 > 0:00:59or at least that's what I hope,
0:00:59 > 0:01:02this is where I will lie.
0:01:04 > 0:01:07I don't think I'll be in one of those lines, though.
0:01:07 > 0:01:12That's community and I'm not a member of the community.
0:01:12 > 0:01:13But I'll be with them.
0:01:13 > 0:01:16I want to be tucked away somewhere,
0:01:16 > 0:01:19perhaps behind the cross or under the bush or behind the tree.
0:01:22 > 0:01:26In the chapel, the Sisters live in the main body of the church
0:01:26 > 0:01:28and I'm tucked away in the belfry.
0:01:30 > 0:01:34Well, that's where I'm going to be for eternity, I hope,
0:01:34 > 0:01:37tucked away in the belfry of the graveyard.
0:01:39 > 0:01:44Thanking God for allowing me a life of such...
0:01:46 > 0:01:48..unimaginable happiness.
0:01:50 > 0:01:51Lucky me.
0:01:53 > 0:01:55That's it.
0:02:17 > 0:02:20Sister Wendy Beckett, now 82,
0:02:20 > 0:02:23first performed in front of a camera over 20 years ago
0:02:23 > 0:02:26when I met her as a young BBC television researcher.
0:02:33 > 0:02:38All teeth and glasses, she instantly became the nation's favourite nun,
0:02:38 > 0:02:40television's arts nun.
0:02:44 > 0:02:46And here we have the great mythological scene
0:02:46 > 0:02:49but I really can't afford to spend time looking at it
0:02:49 > 0:02:56because I want to get onto this huge cloth, this wonder of the museum.
0:02:58 > 0:03:01Viewers were expected to be entertained by Sister Wendy.
0:03:03 > 0:03:04They were.
0:03:06 > 0:03:10Later, she mused to me that after a single television series,
0:03:10 > 0:03:13she'd become famous for talking about art
0:03:13 > 0:03:16but little was known about her life as a nun.
0:03:18 > 0:03:22For years, I wanted to make a film about the real Wendy.
0:03:22 > 0:03:25She finally agreed, but on her own terms.
0:03:26 > 0:03:31She would choose paintings of the gospel stories, the life of Jesus,
0:03:31 > 0:03:35and use them to reveal more about the forces that drive her life.
0:03:38 > 0:03:43I've tried to choose the events in the Gospels
0:03:43 > 0:03:47that were most important in the life of Jesus.
0:03:53 > 0:03:59These, to me, are the ones I think of most reverently
0:03:59 > 0:04:02and with such longing to understand
0:04:02 > 0:04:04what God was showing us
0:04:04 > 0:04:08when he experienced this or did that.
0:04:17 > 0:04:21They're great paintings because they're not just illustrative.
0:04:27 > 0:04:33Here is a great genius looking at something that Jesus did...
0:04:34 > 0:04:36..or experienced...
0:04:40 > 0:04:41..or suffered...
0:04:43 > 0:04:47..and trying to make it visible.
0:04:47 > 0:04:50There's great grace there for those who look.
0:05:18 > 0:05:21Wendy lives in silence and solitude,
0:05:21 > 0:05:25a hermit who prays out of sight in the middle of a spinney.
0:05:27 > 0:05:31No music, TV, not even a telephone.
0:05:32 > 0:05:35She is alone with her maker.
0:05:39 > 0:05:43Her home is a caravan under the protection of the Carmelites,
0:05:43 > 0:05:47an enclosed order of contemplative nuns based in Quidenham, Norfolk.
0:05:52 > 0:05:56They offered me unprecedented access to film Sister Wendy.
0:06:00 > 0:06:0440 years ago, they offered her sanctuary here
0:06:04 > 0:06:07after a physical and psychological crisis.
0:06:09 > 0:06:12In fact I would say, if you expressed it in the old jargon,
0:06:12 > 0:06:14she could read souls.
0:06:14 > 0:06:18But all this must have been a terrific strain on her psyche.
0:06:18 > 0:06:22That's why she didn't want to be in the chapel outside.
0:06:22 > 0:06:24She came in, asked to be away,
0:06:24 > 0:06:28because everything pressed on her, pressed on her, pressed on her,
0:06:28 > 0:06:32so I think just to cope with ordinary life, for her,
0:06:32 > 0:06:35that's why she had to be on her own.
0:06:36 > 0:06:39God uses everything in a person
0:06:39 > 0:06:43and if they're a bit unbalanced, he can use that.
0:06:43 > 0:06:46You know what I mean? And they can be great gifts.
0:06:46 > 0:06:49Often great artists and that are not the most balanced people.
0:06:49 > 0:06:54# This one thing I know
0:06:54 > 0:06:58# For he loves me so
0:06:58 > 0:07:03# Jesus' blood never failed me yet... #
0:07:03 > 0:07:08'I have seven hours' sleep, so I'm going to bed not long after five
0:07:08 > 0:07:11'and then I get up shortly after midnight
0:07:11 > 0:07:17'but that's simply because I think that's a good time to pray,
0:07:17 > 0:07:21'when all the world is quiet, and many people are suffering at night
0:07:21 > 0:07:26'when they drop the mask and just look at themselves.'
0:07:26 > 0:07:30# Jesus' blood never failed me yet... #
0:07:30 > 0:07:33In the 67 years since she became a nun,
0:07:33 > 0:07:35Sister Wendy has never once missed Mass.
0:07:37 > 0:07:41For her, it's an act of total commitment,
0:07:41 > 0:07:44not an act of docile obedience or conformity.
0:07:50 > 0:07:53'We all seem to have a longing to be told what to do
0:07:53 > 0:07:55'and I think in Jesus you can see
0:07:55 > 0:07:59'that that isn't really how God wants us to act.
0:07:59 > 0:08:02'We must do what we think is right.
0:08:02 > 0:08:04'That's the whole point of conscience.'
0:08:08 > 0:08:11BELL RINGS
0:08:13 > 0:08:15You see it in every walk of life,
0:08:15 > 0:08:19the desire to have a strong, authoritarian voice
0:08:19 > 0:08:22telling you what to do, so you don't have to bother.
0:08:22 > 0:08:26Which means, of course, you don't have to bother about God either
0:08:26 > 0:08:28because God asks you to look at him and decide,
0:08:28 > 0:08:31not look at what somebody else is telling you.
0:08:38 > 0:08:43CHOIR SINGS
0:08:47 > 0:08:51Sister Wendy always sits in the belfry, alone,
0:08:51 > 0:08:55tucked away out of sight,
0:08:55 > 0:09:00still a hermit, even during a communal service.
0:09:00 > 0:09:02The Lord be with you.
0:09:02 > 0:09:06A reading from the Holy Gospel According to Luke.
0:09:06 > 0:09:08NUNS: Glory to thee, O Lord.
0:09:10 > 0:09:13The tax collectors and the sinners
0:09:13 > 0:09:18were all seeking the company of Jesus to hear what he had to say
0:09:18 > 0:09:21and the Pharisees and scribes complained.
0:09:21 > 0:09:25"This man," they said, "welcomes sinners and eats with them."
0:09:25 > 0:09:28So he spoke this parable to them.
0:09:30 > 0:09:33"What man among you with 100 sheep,
0:09:33 > 0:09:37"losing one, would not leave the 99 in the wilderness
0:09:37 > 0:09:40"and go after the missing one until he found it?
0:09:41 > 0:09:46"And when he found it, would he not joyfully take it on his shoulders
0:09:46 > 0:09:48"and then, when he got home,
0:09:48 > 0:09:52"call together his friends and his neighbours?
0:09:52 > 0:09:54"'Rejoice with me', he would say.
0:09:54 > 0:09:57"'I have found the sheep that was lost.'"
0:09:57 > 0:10:01'Well, I've noticed it, of course, in museums.'
0:10:01 > 0:10:05People looking at the kind of stories, Christian stories,
0:10:05 > 0:10:09that they would have been told in Sunday school in the past.
0:10:09 > 0:10:11Now they just don't know.
0:10:11 > 0:10:14"Why is that man standing in the river
0:10:14 > 0:10:17"with another man pouring water over his head? What's happening?"
0:10:17 > 0:10:22In the past, everybody, more or less, knew the stories
0:10:22 > 0:10:25but they evidently didn't understand the meaning of the stories.
0:10:25 > 0:10:28They weren't living by the stories
0:10:28 > 0:10:30so I don't know whether
0:10:30 > 0:10:34the spiritual level of the country has changed at all.
0:10:34 > 0:10:37What has changed is the cultural level.
0:10:38 > 0:10:42Most people did know the outlines of the faith of our fathers
0:10:42 > 0:10:46and this country has been built on the Christian faith.
0:10:46 > 0:10:49It's our heritage, it belongs to everybody,
0:10:49 > 0:10:54whether they believe it or not. They have a right to know what happened.
0:10:57 > 0:11:00So that does sadden me, yes.
0:11:06 > 0:11:08I think what we have to do is...
0:11:08 > 0:11:11Wendy's performances come from the heart.
0:11:11 > 0:11:15She falls into a state of deep concentration
0:11:15 > 0:11:17before standing up to perform.
0:11:17 > 0:11:20There are no notes, no rehearsal
0:11:20 > 0:11:23but it comes out word perfect.
0:11:25 > 0:11:31Scripture tells us that the Angel Gabriel was sent by God
0:11:31 > 0:11:34to a virgin in the town of Nazareth
0:11:34 > 0:11:36and the virgin's name was Mary
0:11:36 > 0:11:40and it sounds so simple and ordinary
0:11:40 > 0:11:45but this was the greatest event that ever happened.
0:11:45 > 0:11:47Two great things happened to us.
0:11:47 > 0:11:50First, the world was created.
0:11:52 > 0:11:54And then, after millennia
0:11:54 > 0:11:59of watching the terrible mess we were making of ourselves,
0:11:59 > 0:12:02God became man.
0:12:02 > 0:12:05And it happened like this.
0:12:05 > 0:12:09Heaven and Earth meet.
0:12:09 > 0:12:12There is the Angel Gabriel, the heavenly sphere,
0:12:12 > 0:12:15and I think Veneziano suggests that
0:12:15 > 0:12:19in the way the angel's come ahead of the pillars.
0:12:19 > 0:12:21He's out of his sphere, he's in our sphere.
0:12:22 > 0:12:25Mary is in our human sphere.
0:12:25 > 0:12:27She's been sitting.
0:12:27 > 0:12:30She rises up, astonished,
0:12:30 > 0:12:32and in honour of the angel,
0:12:32 > 0:12:37but the angel sinks to the ground
0:12:37 > 0:12:39in honour of Mary
0:12:39 > 0:12:42because of the message.
0:12:42 > 0:12:49He has to ask her, will she become the mother of God?
0:12:49 > 0:12:54And Mary says, "I'm the handmaid of the Lord. I'm his servant.
0:12:54 > 0:12:56"Whatever he wants, I'll do."
0:12:58 > 0:13:01Mary's made it possible for us all,
0:13:01 > 0:13:04when God asks something almost impossible,
0:13:04 > 0:13:08to say, "Yes, if God wants it, he'll make it happen."
0:13:21 > 0:13:25When I was either three or four,
0:13:25 > 0:13:29it was a Sunday and we'd come back from Mass
0:13:29 > 0:13:31and I can remember it so vividly.
0:13:31 > 0:13:34There was a smell of sausages cooking,
0:13:34 > 0:13:38and for some reason, I was sitting under a table
0:13:38 > 0:13:43and suddenly, I became overwhelmed
0:13:43 > 0:13:45by the reality of God.
0:13:48 > 0:13:49The...
0:13:51 > 0:13:54The greatness and the power and the love
0:13:54 > 0:13:57and my own infinite smallness.
0:13:59 > 0:14:04And I knew that I was held in that greatness and protected...
0:14:06 > 0:14:10And I would never, ever have to feel anxious.
0:14:11 > 0:14:16I think God gave me that insight
0:14:16 > 0:14:20because I was such a frail, unstable sort of person
0:14:20 > 0:14:26and I think that understanding of God's closeness and his...
0:14:28 > 0:14:30..his love
0:14:30 > 0:14:34unconsciously influenced everything I did thereafter.
0:14:36 > 0:14:40Did you have any other experiences after that of a similar kind?
0:14:40 > 0:14:43No, that one was enough for a lifetime.
0:14:43 > 0:14:49But there must be times when you feel something extraordinary, or...?
0:14:51 > 0:14:54Ah, well, we're moving into areas
0:14:54 > 0:14:59- that I don't think should be spoken of.- OK, that's absolutely right.
0:15:05 > 0:15:08When I started this film,
0:15:08 > 0:15:11I thought it was going to be purely about Jesus
0:15:11 > 0:15:18but somehow, I seem to be taking more and more space in the film.
0:15:20 > 0:15:25And so I can't see a structure.
0:15:25 > 0:15:29You might say it's none of my business to see a structure,
0:15:29 > 0:15:31those making the film see the structure.
0:15:33 > 0:15:37But once we get away from talking about Jesus...
0:15:40 > 0:15:42..I'm in darkness
0:15:42 > 0:15:44but trying to do what's asked of me.
0:15:57 > 0:16:00When we think of the Nativity,
0:16:00 > 0:16:04it's so easy to think of Christmas plays and Christmas cards
0:16:04 > 0:16:08and stables and animals and the three kings
0:16:08 > 0:16:13and to miss the gravity, the seriousness of what was happening.
0:16:14 > 0:16:21Now, one of the reasons why I love this icon is because it's so grave.
0:16:21 > 0:16:26It's so weighty with the wonder of God becoming man.
0:16:26 > 0:16:29It's one of the very earliest images
0:16:29 > 0:16:33in icon form of mother and child
0:16:33 > 0:16:37and to me, it's a perfect example
0:16:37 > 0:16:40of why we so cherish the birth of Christ.
0:16:40 > 0:16:45Notice how Mary withdraws herself.
0:16:45 > 0:16:49She's looking away from us, she doesn't want us even to notice her.
0:16:49 > 0:16:54She's there to bring forward the wonder of her child.
0:16:54 > 0:16:58It's the expression that makes this little Jesus so wonderful.
0:16:58 > 0:17:01In fact, I don't know of any portrait of Jesus
0:17:01 > 0:17:03that moved me as much as this one.
0:17:05 > 0:17:08He's about something great
0:17:08 > 0:17:11and he's drawing us into it.
0:17:12 > 0:17:14I think those who met Jesus
0:17:14 > 0:17:18must have been so conscious of his enormous spiritual energy,
0:17:18 > 0:17:21that power of love and searching
0:17:21 > 0:17:24that drew him forward and drew all men to him.
0:17:26 > 0:17:29Now, this is still a very small child...
0:17:30 > 0:17:34..almost awed by being in the world,
0:17:34 > 0:17:39not in control, but searching, loving,
0:17:39 > 0:17:44seeking us to come with him on the great quest for his father.
0:17:55 > 0:17:58You were obviously extremely intellectually precocious
0:17:58 > 0:18:00as a child, weren't you?
0:18:00 > 0:18:03I just wonder whether that separated you from the other children.
0:18:03 > 0:18:07Well, I never expected to be able to talk to anybody
0:18:07 > 0:18:11but I took that for granted, that was how people were,
0:18:11 > 0:18:14they never found anybody they could talk to.
0:18:15 > 0:18:18So as long as I had somebody around
0:18:18 > 0:18:22who saved me from the shame of being friendless,
0:18:22 > 0:18:24I didn't really care very much.
0:18:24 > 0:18:27I'm afraid people have not meant much to me in my life.
0:18:27 > 0:18:29I think I've got a cold heart.
0:18:29 > 0:18:34My mother never forgot how once
0:18:34 > 0:18:37I invited a friend to come and play with me.
0:18:39 > 0:18:43My mother heard me welcoming her, and I said, "Hello, Shirley, come in.
0:18:43 > 0:18:47"There's your book and that's my book."
0:18:47 > 0:18:49She said, "You don't do that when people come!"
0:18:49 > 0:18:52"So what do you do?" "You talk to them."
0:18:52 > 0:18:55Well, I'm no good if I've got to talk to them!
0:18:55 > 0:18:59That was my idea of playing together, we each read our books in company.
0:19:01 > 0:19:05- You had an older sister. Do you..? - No, no. I'm a firstborn.
0:19:05 > 0:19:08- Sorry, Wendy. You had a sister...- Yes.
0:19:08 > 0:19:12- Were you a good sister?- Oh...
0:19:13 > 0:19:17My great sin has been my nastiness to my little sister.
0:19:19 > 0:19:20Once she said to me,
0:19:20 > 0:19:24"Wendy, I don't know why you keep bashing yourself up about it.
0:19:24 > 0:19:27"I never expected you to be nice to me." Which makes it even worse!
0:19:27 > 0:19:30No, I was cruel and harsh to her.
0:19:30 > 0:19:33I never hit her or anything, but I took no notice of her.
0:19:33 > 0:19:35I just wasn't interested.
0:19:37 > 0:19:41My mother, she was the one who disciplined us, not my father.
0:19:43 > 0:19:48And she's told my sister, well, no, she said to me,
0:19:48 > 0:19:51"You were always a very difficult child."
0:19:52 > 0:19:55So I asked my sister to find out how had I been difficult,
0:19:55 > 0:20:00because I thought I'd been a fairly docile child.
0:20:00 > 0:20:03"Oh, no", said our mother.
0:20:03 > 0:20:05"She was full of self-will."
0:20:07 > 0:20:12So my mother saw the faults in me.
0:20:33 > 0:20:36I was 16, nearly 17,
0:20:36 > 0:20:40and I felt nothing but the utmost joy
0:20:40 > 0:20:43and I was astonished that my parents were sad
0:20:43 > 0:20:46when I left them to become a nun.
0:20:46 > 0:20:49It never occurred to me they'd mind.
0:20:49 > 0:20:52I'd wanted to be a nun for so long.
0:20:52 > 0:20:55I couldn't wait. I was blissful.
0:20:57 > 0:21:01Nasty child, you see, no real human emotions.
0:21:01 > 0:21:04Like a young girl eloping, I suppose,
0:21:04 > 0:21:07so filled with the thought of what she was going towards,
0:21:07 > 0:21:10she had no time to think of what she'd left behind
0:21:10 > 0:21:13and I never, never for one moment ever pined.
0:21:19 > 0:21:22Jesus had lived all his life,
0:21:22 > 0:21:27about 30 years, we think, in the small village of Nazareth
0:21:27 > 0:21:34and he must have felt more and more how different he was
0:21:34 > 0:21:39because he just lived to do his Father's will
0:21:39 > 0:21:42but he still wasn't sure
0:21:42 > 0:21:44what he should be doing.
0:21:44 > 0:21:49He was waiting with love and trust for the Father to make it clear.
0:21:53 > 0:21:58When he heard that his cousin John was there in the desert,
0:21:58 > 0:22:01calling people to change their lives,
0:22:01 > 0:22:03a baptism of repentance,
0:22:03 > 0:22:05it must have struck Jesus.
0:22:05 > 0:22:10"Perhaps this is the step I need to take
0:22:10 > 0:22:13"to change my life, and things will become clear."
0:22:15 > 0:22:21And then a voice from heaven, his Father, says,
0:22:21 > 0:22:25"You are my beloved son
0:22:25 > 0:22:27"in whom I am well pleased."
0:22:30 > 0:22:34And over his head appears the glimmering white of the dove
0:22:34 > 0:22:38which signifies the Holy Spirit,
0:22:38 > 0:22:42so this is Jesus ready to embark
0:22:42 > 0:22:47upon what we call his ministry, his teaching life,
0:22:47 > 0:22:49and you'll notice, nobody understands.
0:22:49 > 0:22:52Even the angels are really rather disinterested.
0:22:54 > 0:22:57Angels to one side, human beings to the other,
0:22:57 > 0:23:00Jesus unites both worlds
0:23:00 > 0:23:02and neither world understands him.
0:23:18 > 0:23:21Sister Wendy was born in South Africa.
0:23:21 > 0:23:26When she was 16, she joined the local convent of a teaching order
0:23:26 > 0:23:30which sent its British nuns to be trained in Sussex.
0:23:32 > 0:23:33After taking her vows,
0:23:33 > 0:23:37she was sent to another convent, this time in Oxford,
0:23:37 > 0:23:39to read English at the university.
0:23:43 > 0:23:45But a strict Mother Superior
0:23:45 > 0:23:48instructed her never to talk to the other students
0:23:48 > 0:23:52or participate in any aspect of university life,
0:23:52 > 0:23:55so she read all day in her room
0:23:55 > 0:24:00and graduated with the highest marks ever
0:24:00 > 0:24:03to the satisfaction of her university professor.
0:24:14 > 0:24:19I remember Tolkien because he was the president of my examining board
0:24:19 > 0:24:22and he was extraordinarily kind to me.
0:24:22 > 0:24:26He actually turned the marks books round so that I could see my marks
0:24:26 > 0:24:28and I still didn't take it in.
0:24:28 > 0:24:30So what were the marks?
0:24:30 > 0:24:33I got an Alpha for everything except in one paper.
0:24:37 > 0:24:41Which made it a certain first.
0:24:41 > 0:24:46When I read the life of Harold Wilson,
0:24:46 > 0:24:49it said Harold Wilson got the best first ever at Oxford
0:24:49 > 0:24:53and it gave his marks, and they were my marks!
0:24:53 > 0:24:57So Harold Wilson and I can march proudly together. Oh, dear!
0:24:57 > 0:24:59It took me down a peg or two
0:24:59 > 0:25:04because one does not think of Mr Wilson as a great intellect.
0:25:04 > 0:25:07But like me, he probably had the gift
0:25:07 > 0:25:09of putting all his goods in the shop window.
0:25:21 > 0:25:24One day, when Jesus was talking,
0:25:24 > 0:25:26a lawyer called out to him,
0:25:26 > 0:25:30"Master, what shall I do to obtain eternal life?"
0:25:30 > 0:25:35Jesus said to him, "What does it say in the Scriptures?"
0:25:35 > 0:25:40The man said, "Well, it says you shall love the Lord thy God
0:25:40 > 0:25:45"with all thy heart and all thy soul and all thy mind and all thy strength
0:25:45 > 0:25:48"and thy neighbour as thyself."
0:25:49 > 0:25:53And Jesus said, "You've answered well. Do that and you will live."
0:25:53 > 0:25:57Now, the lawyer wanted an argument.
0:25:57 > 0:26:00He didn't want his words thrown back on him
0:26:00 > 0:26:04so he said, "And who is my neighbour?"
0:26:04 > 0:26:08And Jesus again didn't argue. He told him a story.
0:26:08 > 0:26:13He said, "There was a man who went down from Jerusalem to Jericho."
0:26:13 > 0:26:16They all knew that road, dangerous road.
0:26:16 > 0:26:18And he fell among thieves
0:26:18 > 0:26:21and they beat him and stripped him and robbed him
0:26:21 > 0:26:23and left him half dead by the wayside.
0:26:25 > 0:26:27Now, a priest came upon him
0:26:27 > 0:26:30and quickly passed by to the other side
0:26:30 > 0:26:33and then a Levite, a temple servant,
0:26:33 > 0:26:35he too went by on the other side.
0:26:36 > 0:26:39And then came a Samaritan
0:26:39 > 0:26:45and this man leapt off his horse and bent down to this poor bloodied man
0:26:45 > 0:26:50and he washed him and he bound up his wounds, put him on his horse,
0:26:50 > 0:26:54took him to the inn, gave the innkeeper money to look after him,
0:26:54 > 0:26:57said, "I'll come back with more money if need be."
0:26:59 > 0:27:02"Now," said Jesus, "who acted as neighbour?"
0:27:04 > 0:27:07And the lawyer said, "Well, I suppose him who showed pity."
0:27:07 > 0:27:11"Yes," said Jesus. "Go thou and do likewise."
0:27:26 > 0:27:32After I'd been teaching for, must have been over 20 years,
0:27:32 > 0:27:38I had a series of very public and nasty epileptic fits
0:27:38 > 0:27:41and I was genuinely ill
0:27:41 > 0:27:46and the doctors spoke to my superiors about it and it was then they said,
0:27:46 > 0:27:50"Look, you've asked for years to be allowed to become a contemplative.
0:27:50 > 0:27:53"We're now going to give you the chance."
0:27:55 > 0:27:58So my first thought was to become a Carmelite
0:27:58 > 0:28:02but that doesn't work, you know, changing from one order to another.
0:28:02 > 0:28:04It does for some people. It didn't work for me.
0:28:06 > 0:28:10But the Carmel I tried to become a Carmelite in
0:28:10 > 0:28:12said, "We think you ought to be a hermit,"
0:28:12 > 0:28:16and I'd never thought such a wonderful thing was even possible.
0:28:30 > 0:28:34She sees the divine under all sorts of forms
0:28:34 > 0:28:39and she's very willing to see God at work and communicating himself
0:28:39 > 0:28:41and, I have to say, so do I.
0:28:41 > 0:28:48I mean, I still think Christ is the absolute revelation of God
0:28:48 > 0:28:52but I think he... He's known without being known, you know,
0:28:52 > 0:28:56wherever I think there's goodness and grace, I think is Christ.
0:29:05 > 0:29:07Jesus had a great need to pray
0:29:07 > 0:29:10and he used to go off into the mountains
0:29:10 > 0:29:12and spend the whole night in prayer.
0:29:12 > 0:29:19Now, this time he took his three closest apostles with him -
0:29:19 > 0:29:22Peter, James and John.
0:29:22 > 0:29:27They would go up the mountain with Jesus and he would pray
0:29:27 > 0:29:31and they would probably start praying and then they'd fall asleep.
0:29:32 > 0:29:35But they woke up from sleep
0:29:35 > 0:29:37and they got an enormous shock
0:29:37 > 0:29:41because Jesus was transformed
0:29:41 > 0:29:49and on either side were Moses, the law, the Ten Commandments,
0:29:49 > 0:29:51and Elijah, the prophet.
0:29:52 > 0:29:56Now, this was the most extraordinary thing for these three men.
0:29:56 > 0:29:58There'd never seen Jesus like this.
0:29:58 > 0:30:01He'd always looked just ordinary human
0:30:01 > 0:30:03and Peter was absolutely overwhelmed.
0:30:03 > 0:30:06Now, you might ask, why did this happen?
0:30:08 > 0:30:12Why for once did he let them see him in glory?
0:30:14 > 0:30:17Well, I think it's because he was strengthening them,
0:30:17 > 0:30:20strengthening them against the terrible day
0:30:20 > 0:30:23when they'd see him bleeding on the cross
0:30:23 > 0:30:25and wouldn't want to accept it.
0:30:26 > 0:30:29Now, I think this is the pattern of God.
0:30:29 > 0:30:31He prepares us.
0:30:31 > 0:30:34We may not know it's a preparation
0:30:34 > 0:30:39but we will always be in the best position possible
0:30:39 > 0:30:42to accept what comes to us.
0:30:42 > 0:30:44We just have to trust him
0:30:44 > 0:30:47and here you see trust portrayed.
0:30:53 > 0:30:57The Carmelite Sisters bought Wendy this second-hand holiday caravan
0:30:57 > 0:30:59when she became a hermit
0:30:59 > 0:31:01and pitched it in the middle of a thicket.
0:31:10 > 0:31:12After waiting so long to live in solitude,
0:31:12 > 0:31:16she'd always regretted allowing her sanctuary to be filmed,
0:31:16 > 0:31:19feeling somehow violated,
0:31:19 > 0:31:22so when that first caravan eventually fell apart,
0:31:22 > 0:31:27she refused to let anyone film its sturdier replacement.
0:31:30 > 0:31:33But to give me an idea of how she lives,
0:31:33 > 0:31:36the Sisters offered access to a very similar one
0:31:36 > 0:31:39which is also used as a place for solitary prayer,
0:31:39 > 0:31:41just a short walk away.
0:31:44 > 0:31:48I really haven't got a caravan, literally, any more
0:31:48 > 0:31:52because the Sisters got me a little prefab house
0:31:52 > 0:31:55and it's got a bath in it
0:31:55 > 0:31:58and it's got an inside lavatory!
0:31:58 > 0:32:02Oh, these are great luxuries. Happy woman!
0:32:02 > 0:32:04What was the original caravan like?
0:32:04 > 0:32:08It was an old caravan they got for £60
0:32:08 > 0:32:13and it stood on blocks and was uninsulated
0:32:13 > 0:32:19and it had a skylight which the rain came through.
0:32:19 > 0:32:22But I loved it.
0:32:22 > 0:32:27I didn't love not having a bath and not having an inside lavatory...
0:32:29 > 0:32:33'..but I thought those were prices I should pay
0:32:33 > 0:32:35'for the humbleness of my caravan.
0:32:37 > 0:32:41'The Sisters gave me a very nice chair.'
0:32:41 > 0:32:44That's my kind of official prayer place.
0:32:46 > 0:32:49Are you able to make yourself a cup of tea?
0:32:49 > 0:32:51Oh, yes. Coffee.
0:32:52 > 0:32:56And that doesn't interrupt anything.
0:32:57 > 0:33:01It's just a way of keeping me alert
0:33:01 > 0:33:05because you've got to be there for God
0:33:05 > 0:33:09in whatever way he's asking you to be there,
0:33:09 > 0:33:12so one mustn't drowse off.
0:33:17 > 0:33:21People tend to think that prayer is asking for things
0:33:21 > 0:33:24and they've asked and asked and nothing's ever happened
0:33:24 > 0:33:27so they think really, they just don't know how to do it
0:33:27 > 0:33:31or they do know how to do it and God doesn't love them enough.
0:33:33 > 0:33:35The solution to that goes deep.
0:33:37 > 0:33:41You have to understand that when you pray for something,
0:33:41 > 0:33:44God always hears you
0:33:44 > 0:33:48but he isn't going to be a magician and shift your life around.
0:33:50 > 0:33:55What he will do, always, is come and stand beside you
0:33:55 > 0:33:59to help you to make the best of whatever is going to happen.
0:33:59 > 0:34:04If it's going to be disaster, he'll be with you, helping you.
0:34:04 > 0:34:06If it's going to be joy,
0:34:06 > 0:34:09he'll be with you, helping you to say thank you.
0:34:14 > 0:34:19All the Sisters here have a duty to support themselves if they can.
0:34:19 > 0:34:20To earn money,
0:34:20 > 0:34:25Wendy took on the mammoth task of translating several volumes of Latin
0:34:25 > 0:34:28but her perfectionist zeal led to further illness.
0:34:30 > 0:34:33During convalescence, she discovered art books
0:34:33 > 0:34:37and a new way to earn money and realise her literary potential.
0:34:37 > 0:34:39She began publishing articles
0:34:39 > 0:34:43about paintings she'd only ever seen in reproduction.
0:34:43 > 0:34:46Now, she's written over 30 books,
0:34:46 > 0:34:48many with the help of the convent's priest.
0:34:50 > 0:34:53'She's the brains of the outfit and I'm the brawn.
0:34:53 > 0:34:56'I take care of logistics and the suitcases
0:34:56 > 0:34:58'and pushing the wheelchair
0:34:58 > 0:35:01'and making sure we get to the right place at the right time'
0:35:01 > 0:35:04but as far as all creativity goes,
0:35:04 > 0:35:06I just sit at her feet
0:35:06 > 0:35:08and when she speaks, I type.
0:35:12 > 0:35:14Over the last four or five years,
0:35:14 > 0:35:18I've had the privilege of typing several of her books.
0:35:21 > 0:35:23We find a place that's comfortable
0:35:23 > 0:35:26and she will look at her art, for example,
0:35:26 > 0:35:30the painting or the photograph of what she needs to comment on,
0:35:30 > 0:35:33and she just begins to speak
0:35:33 > 0:35:37and rarely has anything changed
0:35:37 > 0:35:41but she's on target, she's concise, she's clear,
0:35:41 > 0:35:45she's very understandable
0:35:45 > 0:35:47and she's very engaging.
0:35:47 > 0:35:51I think people relate to her way of describing things
0:35:51 > 0:35:53because it's so real and human.
0:35:58 > 0:36:03I went with Wendy on her first filming trip to Europe 20 years ago.
0:36:03 > 0:36:06She enjoyed seeing paintings familiar from books
0:36:06 > 0:36:07for the first time
0:36:07 > 0:36:09but still wished she was back in her caravan.
0:36:18 > 0:36:21- Now, put on the brake or I'll fall back.- Brake's on.
0:36:23 > 0:36:25- Just put these up...- Right.
0:36:28 > 0:36:30Thank you.
0:36:43 > 0:36:46I wanted to return to this conflict you feel between...
0:36:46 > 0:36:50I don't feel this conflict! You're the one who thinks of the conflict.
0:36:50 > 0:36:54Well, the conflict, I think, OK, my idea,
0:36:54 > 0:37:00you said several times that you much prefer to be back in your real life
0:37:00 > 0:37:03and that this is somehow almost a penance.
0:37:03 > 0:37:07That's too strong, but yes, it's an aberration.
0:37:07 > 0:37:10It's...it's...
0:37:10 > 0:37:15I've stepped out of my real life but I haven't stepped out of God's life.
0:37:15 > 0:37:19- Yeah.- This is equally prayer, what we're doing,
0:37:19 > 0:37:23because prayer really is that intentness on God,
0:37:23 > 0:37:26which doesn't stop when you get off your knees.
0:37:26 > 0:37:29It goes on, but in another form.
0:37:30 > 0:37:33And it keeps your eyes towards God
0:37:33 > 0:37:37so you can see him in the most unlikely of circumstances,
0:37:37 > 0:37:38even in a television programme.
0:37:49 > 0:37:51Wendy is making this journey to Paris
0:37:51 > 0:37:54to show us a masterpiece in the Louvre
0:37:54 > 0:37:57which tells the story of a vulnerable woman.
0:38:01 > 0:38:04Jesus is teaching in the temple
0:38:04 > 0:38:05when suddenly,
0:38:05 > 0:38:10there bursts in a crowd of angry men,
0:38:10 > 0:38:16dragging with them a poor, bewildered, frightened woman.
0:38:18 > 0:38:21And they surge up to Jesus and say,
0:38:21 > 0:38:25"This woman was caught in the very act of adultery,
0:38:25 > 0:38:28"in flagrante delicto,
0:38:28 > 0:38:34"and the law says such a woman should be stoned to death.
0:38:34 > 0:38:36"What do you say, master?"
0:38:36 > 0:38:41Now, of course, they want to show that Jesus does not keep the law.
0:38:41 > 0:38:46They also know that nothing would make Jesus stone anybody to death.
0:38:46 > 0:38:49Look at their faces - so smug,
0:38:49 > 0:38:51so triumphant. They've got him.
0:38:52 > 0:38:55And Jesus doesn't answer them.
0:38:55 > 0:38:59He won't take the high seat of judgement
0:38:59 > 0:39:02and then he says,
0:39:02 > 0:39:07"Let the man who has no sin cast the first stone."
0:39:09 > 0:39:13And there's a terrible pause
0:39:13 > 0:39:16as they all realise what Jesus is saying.
0:39:17 > 0:39:20And the Gospel tells us
0:39:20 > 0:39:24that they began to go away, each man,
0:39:24 > 0:39:26beginning with the oldest,
0:39:26 > 0:39:31the ones who were most certain that they had Jesus in their power.
0:39:33 > 0:39:37Jesus then says to the woman,
0:39:37 > 0:39:39"Does no man condemn you?"
0:39:41 > 0:39:46And the poor creature sort of quavers back, "No man, Lord."
0:39:46 > 0:39:50And Jesus says, "Neither do I condemn you.
0:39:50 > 0:39:54"Go away, and do not sin again."
0:40:19 > 0:40:22You were asking me about my childhood...
0:40:24 > 0:40:28..and I told you about that transformative experience
0:40:28 > 0:40:30when I was four.
0:40:30 > 0:40:36Which I think has influenced everything I have done since,
0:40:36 > 0:40:40that awareness of God has never left me.
0:40:41 > 0:40:44And you asked me
0:40:44 > 0:40:47were there any other experiences and I said to you
0:40:47 > 0:40:50I didn't want to talk about anything else,
0:40:50 > 0:40:52but I thought there was one,
0:40:52 > 0:40:55it wasn't an experience, it was an insight,
0:40:55 > 0:40:58when I made my first Holy Communion.
0:41:00 > 0:41:05Because I had got it into my head, whether Sister said so or not,
0:41:05 > 0:41:11that Jesus would speak to us when he came to us in Holy Communion
0:41:11 > 0:41:17and I was longing to hear him speak
0:41:17 > 0:41:19and what would he say?
0:41:20 > 0:41:23And I remember so clearly coming back from Holy Communion
0:41:23 > 0:41:28in my white dress with my white veil along with other little
0:41:28 > 0:41:30first communicants and waiting...
0:41:32 > 0:41:34And there was silence.
0:41:36 > 0:41:40And then, it suddenly dawned upon me
0:41:40 > 0:41:41that's how he speaks.
0:41:43 > 0:41:45God speaks to us in silence.
0:41:47 > 0:41:52And that also has been something that has mattered a great deal to me,
0:41:52 > 0:41:55to know that when we're silent...
0:41:57 > 0:41:59..and looking at God,
0:41:59 > 0:42:02he will communicate himself, silently.
0:42:21 > 0:42:25It never entered my head at any stage of my childhood,
0:42:25 > 0:42:30that I might get married and become...a mother.
0:42:31 > 0:42:35The vow of celibacy wasn't a sacrifice for you?
0:42:35 > 0:42:37No, it's more than celibacy, it's chastity.
0:42:39 > 0:42:43Which means that you take no sexual pleasure.
0:42:45 > 0:42:48It's something that you give up, not just marriage,
0:42:48 > 0:42:50but any form of sexual pleasure,
0:42:50 > 0:42:54you offer it to God for the sake of the world.
0:42:54 > 0:43:00But, you know, because it's not cost me anything, I think I have got a...
0:43:03 > 0:43:05..a vacancy in me...
0:43:05 > 0:43:09that where most human beings have a capacity
0:43:09 > 0:43:12for sexual response, I just haven't.
0:43:14 > 0:43:16I don't understand it.
0:43:16 > 0:43:20I've never felt any inclination...
0:43:21 > 0:43:24..and said no, no I can't.
0:43:24 > 0:43:27I just don't... It means nothing to me.
0:43:27 > 0:43:29Which means I haven't got that...
0:43:31 > 0:43:33..gift to give to God.
0:43:44 > 0:43:48Instead, Wendy sees her gift to God as dedication to
0:43:48 > 0:43:54a life of prayer - six hours of silent contemplation every day.
0:43:58 > 0:44:00One of the things prayer will do
0:44:00 > 0:44:03is to show you the truth about yourself
0:44:03 > 0:44:07and that's something most of us go to a lot of trouble to avoid.
0:44:07 > 0:44:12But you see, all deep experience, in some ways, does that.
0:44:12 > 0:44:16Great art does that. It challenges you.
0:44:16 > 0:44:19It raises you to a new level, but you have to accept
0:44:19 > 0:44:22you are on a lower level.
0:44:29 > 0:44:32Tintoretto was fascinated
0:44:32 > 0:44:36by the mystery of Jesus washing the Apostles' feet.
0:44:36 > 0:44:39He painted it several times.
0:44:39 > 0:44:43He was fascinated by the interplay of emotions,
0:44:43 > 0:44:46the embarrassment of the Apostles,
0:44:46 > 0:44:49the certainty of Jesus.
0:44:49 > 0:44:51It happened at the Last Supper and remember,
0:44:51 > 0:44:56that was the last full day on earth he ever had.
0:44:56 > 0:44:58He got up from the table,
0:44:58 > 0:45:00took off his garments.
0:45:00 > 0:45:05Tintoretto modestly just wanted him to take off one garment,
0:45:05 > 0:45:07the beautiful blue one on the chair.
0:45:07 > 0:45:11Put a towel round his waist, got a bowl full of water,
0:45:11 > 0:45:17knelt down before the nearest apostle and washed his feet.
0:45:17 > 0:45:25Tintoretto seizes upon the central moment when Jesus comes to Peter.
0:45:25 > 0:45:30And Peter says, "Lord, are you going to wash my feet?"
0:45:30 > 0:45:34And Jesus says, "Peter, you don't understand it now.
0:45:34 > 0:45:38"One day you will understand."
0:45:38 > 0:45:42"No", says Peter. "You will never wash my feet."
0:45:42 > 0:45:46And Jesus says, "If I don't wash you, Peter,
0:45:46 > 0:45:48"you will have no part in me."
0:45:48 > 0:45:53And then, of course, Peter wants his whole self washed,
0:45:53 > 0:45:55anything to have a part with Jesus.
0:45:55 > 0:46:00And when he'd finished, Jesus dressed again and sat down and said to them,
0:46:00 > 0:46:02"Do you understand what I have done?"
0:46:03 > 0:46:08"I have acted towards you like a servant
0:46:08 > 0:46:11"and that's how you should act towards other people."
0:46:11 > 0:46:15SACRED MUSIC
0:46:21 > 0:46:24For Wendy, at the heart of both her faith
0:46:24 > 0:46:28and daily self-discipline, is a celebration of Mass.
0:46:35 > 0:46:40The service is the re-enactment of the climactic scene
0:46:40 > 0:46:41of the Last Supper,
0:46:41 > 0:46:46a key Gospel story with the specific purpose of remembering Jesus.
0:46:48 > 0:46:52- PRIEST:- At the time he was betrayed and entered willingly
0:46:52 > 0:46:56into his Passion, he took bread and gave thanks,
0:46:56 > 0:47:01broke it and gave it to his disciples saying,
0:47:01 > 0:47:04"Take this, all of you and eat it.
0:47:06 > 0:47:11"This is my body, which will be given up for you."
0:47:11 > 0:47:14BELL TOLLS
0:47:17 > 0:47:19- The body of Christ.- Amen.
0:47:21 > 0:47:23- The body of Christ.- Amen.
0:47:25 > 0:47:27- The body of Christ.- Amen.
0:47:27 > 0:47:32Jesus knew that plots were being laid to kill him.
0:47:32 > 0:47:37He had very little time left so this last supper
0:47:37 > 0:47:40was his one great chance
0:47:40 > 0:47:44to make it clear to the Apostles what he was all about.
0:47:45 > 0:47:48That his great commandment was love.
0:47:48 > 0:47:51And to underline his point about love,
0:47:51 > 0:47:55Jesus had saved for this last supper,
0:47:55 > 0:47:58the great sign of his love,
0:47:58 > 0:48:00apart from his actual death on the cross,
0:48:00 > 0:48:02that forerunner of that death,
0:48:02 > 0:48:07that he would give them his body and his blood.
0:48:09 > 0:48:12Now, separating body and blood means death,
0:48:12 > 0:48:16but this was the living Jesus and it's the living body
0:48:16 > 0:48:21and blood he is giving them and here Poussin shows that sacred moment.
0:48:21 > 0:48:27Jesus had stood up from the table and called them round him.
0:48:27 > 0:48:31You can see there two tiers of Apostles - the ones at the back
0:48:31 > 0:48:35are absolutely dumbfounded,
0:48:35 > 0:48:38they don't understand what he means.
0:48:40 > 0:48:43So, while the outer ones are astonished,
0:48:43 > 0:48:46the inner rank, his closest friends -
0:48:46 > 0:48:51Peter, James and John - they know what's going to happen
0:48:51 > 0:48:56and Poussin has left that space in the centre,
0:48:56 > 0:48:58there is the chalice,
0:48:58 > 0:49:02there's the consecrating hand of Jesus,
0:49:02 > 0:49:08the other hand holds the bits of bread that are his body
0:49:08 > 0:49:13and beneath the chalice, just a crease in the tablecloth,
0:49:13 > 0:49:16is the cross.
0:49:16 > 0:49:21And the whole of that makes a still, quiet space,
0:49:21 > 0:49:25which we need for prayer.
0:49:48 > 0:49:53I once said I thought you could define humanity
0:49:53 > 0:49:55as people who prayed
0:49:55 > 0:49:59and I was met with rather cynical laughter.
0:50:01 > 0:50:08And my friend said, "What about these dreadful louts and yobbos
0:50:08 > 0:50:10"and murderers?
0:50:10 > 0:50:13"They don't pray" and I said, "How do you know?"
0:50:13 > 0:50:17I said, "I'll bet there has never been a person,
0:50:17 > 0:50:20"who hasn't perhaps in the night,
0:50:20 > 0:50:23"had that sense of longing and incompleteness
0:50:23 > 0:50:27"and shame at what they are and that's prayer.
0:50:27 > 0:50:30"It's not explicit prayer, but it's real prayer.
0:50:30 > 0:50:33"I think we're made to pray because God made us for himself."
0:50:48 > 0:50:52This little picture by Antonello just gives us
0:50:52 > 0:50:56a glimpse of what it meant to Jesus to die for us.
0:50:56 > 0:51:01He's been tied to the pillar while they scourge him.
0:51:01 > 0:51:04Thorns have been pressed into his head,
0:51:04 > 0:51:07you can just see the drops of blood
0:51:07 > 0:51:10and one tear comes from his eyes,
0:51:10 > 0:51:12but he endures.
0:51:12 > 0:51:15Here is a brave man,
0:51:15 > 0:51:18accepting death out of love.
0:51:20 > 0:51:23I find it painful to look at a crucifixion.
0:51:24 > 0:51:29The only ones I like are those that show in the death, the resurrection.
0:51:29 > 0:51:32Because that's what it's all about -
0:51:32 > 0:51:35he passed through death and out again.
0:51:46 > 0:51:51This is the first age in which there has been very little silence
0:51:51 > 0:51:53unless it's sought for.
0:51:57 > 0:52:00Nearly everybody can live their whole life being entertained
0:52:00 > 0:52:04and that's very dangerous because it means you are never
0:52:04 > 0:52:07in contact, except at night,
0:52:07 > 0:52:09with what you are.
0:52:09 > 0:52:15So although I think the longings and the needs are the same
0:52:15 > 0:52:17in all ages
0:52:17 > 0:52:21and the greed and the selfishness,
0:52:21 > 0:52:26this age has got this great obstacle to prayer -
0:52:26 > 0:52:29constant entertainment.
0:52:29 > 0:52:34And I think people really have to say, I am going to have a period
0:52:34 > 0:52:36in which I can just be silent.
0:52:56 > 0:53:00This story begins on Easter Sunday evening,
0:53:00 > 0:53:02outside Jerusalem.
0:53:02 > 0:53:08The Apostles had been devastated by what had happened to Jesus.
0:53:08 > 0:53:12Not only his death, but his execution on the cross.
0:53:12 > 0:53:15He'd said he was the life and the resurrection
0:53:15 > 0:53:18and they were certain he was right
0:53:18 > 0:53:20and now, everything's come to nothing.
0:53:22 > 0:53:26So, two of them, Cleophus and another,
0:53:26 > 0:53:29decide to leave Jerusalem.
0:53:29 > 0:53:33It just reminds them of their terrible disappointment.
0:53:33 > 0:53:37So they set out to their little home town of Emmaus,
0:53:37 > 0:53:39a few miles away, and as they travelled,
0:53:39 > 0:53:42another traveller joined them
0:53:42 > 0:53:45and said, "What are you talking about so earnestly?"
0:53:45 > 0:53:47And they say, "Haven't you heard?
0:53:47 > 0:53:51"Everybody's heard how Jesus of Nazareth, our great prophet,
0:53:51 > 0:53:53"has been crucified."
0:53:53 > 0:53:56They do not recognise him.
0:53:56 > 0:53:59He's just another traveller.
0:53:59 > 0:54:02And then, oh, how I'd have loved to have been on that journey to Emmaus,
0:54:02 > 0:54:06Jesus begins to explain to them,
0:54:06 > 0:54:10"Don't you know that the Christ must suffer
0:54:10 > 0:54:13"and so enter into his glory,
0:54:13 > 0:54:18"that only the redemption through a suffering servant,
0:54:18 > 0:54:21"not a great heroic victor."
0:54:23 > 0:54:26They're so engrossed by this,
0:54:26 > 0:54:30that when they get to the inn where they're going to stay and Jesus
0:54:30 > 0:54:34makes as if he is going to go on, they beg him, come and eat with us.
0:54:35 > 0:54:39And they sit down in the little inn
0:54:39 > 0:54:42and Jesus takes the bread,
0:54:42 > 0:54:46blesses it and breaks it.
0:54:46 > 0:54:51And in that moment, they knew who it was, it was Jesus.
0:54:51 > 0:54:55He had risen and they've no sooner seen him,
0:54:55 > 0:54:57than he disappears.
0:54:57 > 0:55:02Now, of course one can see a big lesson for us.
0:55:02 > 0:55:04The stranger may be Jesus.
0:55:07 > 0:55:09You may not recognise him,
0:55:09 > 0:55:14but the person to whom you are speaking is Jesus in another form.
0:55:14 > 0:55:18And of course, the way to get close to Jesus
0:55:18 > 0:55:24is through Holy Communion when you receive him and know him.
0:55:24 > 0:55:28We know him in the breaking of the bread.
0:55:51 > 0:55:55I think I am an inadequate woman,
0:55:55 > 0:55:58lacking many things that make
0:55:58 > 0:56:03a full and beautiful character, but it doesn't matter,
0:56:03 > 0:56:07because that's how I am and that's the self I have to give to God
0:56:07 > 0:56:11for him to take to himself.
0:56:14 > 0:56:16I mean, life is short.
0:56:16 > 0:56:20If you can give it to God, it uses it all.
0:56:22 > 0:56:27That's why I don't believe in this happiness, unhappiness business,
0:56:27 > 0:56:30you know, you take what comes and you give it to God.
0:56:32 > 0:56:38And if it hurts, he will use that for the world as healing.
0:56:38 > 0:56:40I don't think we're all that important.
0:56:40 > 0:56:43We're only important to God, not to ourselves.
0:56:55 > 0:56:57I remember whenever we filmed,
0:56:57 > 0:57:00there was always this little bit of filming
0:57:00 > 0:57:02that you really, really enjoyed.
0:57:02 > 0:57:04- Do you remember what it was? - Wrap. It's a wrap!
0:57:08 > 0:57:10I know, I know the bit I enjoy!
0:57:10 > 0:57:14The one bit of filming I always enjoy, when we're finished
0:57:14 > 0:57:17and the sound man says, "Now, can we just have silence?"
0:57:19 > 0:57:24And we all just stay there for a minute or two...
0:57:26 > 0:57:28..giving ourselves to God
0:57:28 > 0:57:30and if that's not in the other people's mind,
0:57:30 > 0:57:33well, I am giving them to God.
0:57:33 > 0:57:35That's the bit I like.
0:57:35 > 0:57:38Shall we have a minute of silence now?
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