0:01:08 > 0:01:11"My bone cleaveth to my skin
0:01:11 > 0:01:14"and to my flesh,
0:01:14 > 0:01:19"and I am escaped with the skin of my teeth.
0:01:19 > 0:01:21"Have pity upon me.
0:01:21 > 0:01:26"Have pity upon me, O ye, my friends,
0:01:26 > 0:01:29"for the hand of God has touched me."
0:02:02 > 0:02:07Tell me, how has your relationship changed over the years?
0:02:08 > 0:02:11Well, it has changed a lot.
0:02:11 > 0:02:13It has changed a lot.
0:02:13 > 0:02:16- Yes.- And for the better.
0:02:16 > 0:02:17Yep.
0:02:21 > 0:02:23Well...
0:02:23 > 0:02:28- So...- I... I...
0:02:28 > 0:02:31..was just rather self-centred,
0:02:31 > 0:02:35and though I was very fond of Unity, always...
0:02:37 > 0:02:40..I don't think I was very kind to her.
0:02:40 > 0:02:44- In fact, I know I wasn't.- Well, you were a bit jealous, really.
0:02:44 > 0:02:49- You were a bit jealous, really.- I don't think I was jealous, actually.
0:02:49 > 0:02:52- Oh, yes, definitely, Shirin. I experienced...- I don't think...
0:02:52 > 0:02:54I experienced jealousy from you.
0:02:54 > 0:02:56- You felt jealous of...?- No!
0:02:56 > 0:02:59I experienced it from you!
0:02:59 > 0:03:01- You experienced...- You were jealous of me.- Yes.
0:03:01 > 0:03:03- I'm not criticising you...- No, no.
0:03:03 > 0:03:05- ..I'm simply making a statement.- Yeah.
0:03:05 > 0:03:09You were experiencing the fact that I was jealous.
0:03:09 > 0:03:11- Well, it seemed to be...- Yeah.
0:03:11 > 0:03:14..which wasn't altogether surprising, really,
0:03:14 > 0:03:16under the circumstances.
0:03:16 > 0:03:20I don't, erm, remember being jealous...
0:03:21 > 0:03:25- No.- ..of Unity, but...
0:03:25 > 0:03:27..who knows? I guess I was.
0:04:04 > 0:04:07Of course, it's strange...
0:04:07 > 0:04:11Strange? That was taken out the washing machine.
0:04:11 > 0:04:14- Right.- Anyway, let's go. - Yes.- Not much to see.
0:04:14 > 0:04:16Have you taken out of the cupboards?
0:04:17 > 0:04:20Did you open the cupboards and take what was there?
0:04:20 > 0:04:23- Everything's gone out of the cupboards, Mum.- OK.
0:04:23 > 0:04:27- There were those big dishes in there.- Yeah, they've all gone.
0:04:27 > 0:04:29- They've all been safely packed. - Oh, good.
0:04:29 > 0:04:34Oh, it's changed so much, because Mum has forgiven Shirin.
0:04:35 > 0:04:39Shirin can be herself, and apart from being a little bit fussy,
0:04:39 > 0:04:42which annoys Mum... She says, "Oh, Shirin, stop fussing!"
0:04:42 > 0:04:45But it takes time in any relationship
0:04:45 > 0:04:48for anyone to learn, work out, understand.
0:04:54 > 0:04:57So, how's it going to be in Wales, now?
0:04:57 > 0:05:00It'll be all right. If she annoys me, I'll tell her so,
0:05:00 > 0:05:02and if I annoy her, she'll tell me so.
0:05:04 > 0:05:06Do you think you've got a more honest relationship now?
0:05:06 > 0:05:09Oh, yes. I think so, don't you?
0:05:09 > 0:05:12- Hmm?- I think we have a more honest relationship now.
0:05:12 > 0:05:15- Oh, yes.- I think so.
0:05:15 > 0:05:17Oh, yes.
0:05:17 > 0:05:20She's got her friends and her church
0:05:20 > 0:05:23and her various things down there.
0:05:23 > 0:05:25Well, I'm not frightened, now.
0:05:27 > 0:05:32I'm not frightened of...
0:05:32 > 0:05:34..making things worse, you know?
0:05:36 > 0:05:40I was putting my foot in it thoroughly, beforehand.
0:07:06 > 0:07:09Well, that's his painting palette, presumably.
0:07:09 > 0:07:11Yes.
0:07:13 > 0:07:16- It looks very big.- Yes.
0:07:18 > 0:07:22Can you show me how he would hold it?
0:07:22 > 0:07:26- Well, you hold it with your thumbs right here...- I've never held one.
0:07:26 > 0:07:27- ..like that.- Yes.
0:07:27 > 0:07:31- The thumb goes through there.- Yeah.
0:07:35 > 0:07:38- ARCHIVE FOOTAGE:- This is an art class in a little village school.
0:07:40 > 0:07:43It's a rather special day because a real artist lives in the village,
0:07:43 > 0:07:46and today, he's come to join the class.
0:07:49 > 0:07:52The artist is Stanley Spencer.
0:07:54 > 0:07:56The school is at Cookham,
0:07:56 > 0:07:59which is a quiet and pretty English village on the River Thames,
0:07:59 > 0:08:01and not far from Windsor Castle in London.
0:08:03 > 0:08:07Stanley Spencer was born in Cookham and went to school there himself.
0:08:08 > 0:08:12He has lived in the village for most of his life.
0:08:12 > 0:08:14His house is just opposite the school
0:08:14 > 0:08:16and looks out across the playground.
0:08:19 > 0:08:23Stanley Spencer's work was first shown in London in 1912,
0:08:23 > 0:08:25and he's been painting hard ever since.
0:08:27 > 0:08:30Now, he is one of the best-known artists in Britain.
0:08:30 > 0:08:33His drawings and portraits are admired by many people.
0:08:34 > 0:08:37His paintings hang in most of the public galleries in Britain.
0:08:37 > 0:08:41He has become one of the most individual artistic personalities
0:08:41 > 0:08:43of his time.
0:08:57 > 0:09:01STANLEY: You see, everything has a sort of double meaning for me.
0:09:01 > 0:09:05There's the ordinary, everyday meaning of things,
0:09:05 > 0:09:10utilitarian meaning, and the imaginary meaning about it all.
0:09:26 > 0:09:29- ARCHIVE FOOTAGE:- From the beginning, the events and prophecies
0:09:29 > 0:09:31of the Bible have been, for him,
0:09:31 > 0:09:35the most natural and exciting of all subjects.
0:09:37 > 0:09:42In his art, they come to life in vivid scenes,
0:09:42 > 0:09:45full of the sense of wonder and a new awareness.
0:09:49 > 0:09:51One of the...
0:09:51 > 0:09:54One of the things of which we both,
0:09:54 > 0:09:56my dad and me,
0:09:56 > 0:10:00thoroughly agree is that
0:10:00 > 0:10:04religion is saying ta to God.
0:10:04 > 0:10:06That is what he used to say.
0:10:06 > 0:10:09He said, "Religion is saying ta to God."
0:10:09 > 0:10:11What did he mean by that?
0:10:11 > 0:10:13Thank you!
0:10:15 > 0:10:20So, thank you for nature and life and everything?
0:10:20 > 0:10:24Music, people, situations.
0:10:25 > 0:10:28And...
0:10:28 > 0:10:31..of course Burghclerers used "ta".
0:10:33 > 0:10:37There's something so
0:10:37 > 0:10:41inspiring about Burghclerers.
0:10:41 > 0:10:43It's a...
0:10:43 > 0:10:46You know, one says inspiring, which lifts you up,
0:10:46 > 0:10:48but it also knocks you over.
0:11:48 > 0:11:50STANLEY: The pictures in this chapel
0:11:50 > 0:11:53really divide into two major experiences
0:11:53 > 0:11:56that I had in the 1914 war.
0:11:56 > 0:11:59You see in the top picture there,
0:11:59 > 0:12:02you can just see a bit of the Macedonian scene.
0:12:02 > 0:12:07One was Macedonia scene, and the other was Bristol Hospital scenes.
0:12:07 > 0:12:10The arch pictures and the ones below
0:12:10 > 0:12:12are, more or less all of them,
0:12:12 > 0:12:14Bristol Hospital scenes.
0:12:14 > 0:12:17The one above is Macedonia.
0:12:18 > 0:12:23And here we have the big altar
0:12:23 > 0:12:27resurrection picture, which is also Macedonia.
0:12:28 > 0:12:31When I did this altar piece,
0:12:31 > 0:12:34Resurrection, I wanted it to be
0:12:34 > 0:12:40in Macedonia, I wanted it to be in a particular place that I remembered.
0:12:40 > 0:12:44And I felt that all that I hoped for
0:12:44 > 0:12:48of all the coming back home and everything,
0:12:48 > 0:12:51could be, so to speak, celebrated there.
0:13:45 > 0:13:49This picture speaks to me
0:13:49 > 0:13:53more than many sermons, because,
0:13:53 > 0:13:56you know, his main interest
0:13:56 > 0:14:01was in resurrection and redemption.
0:14:01 > 0:14:06Well, you couldn't have a greater example of redemption
0:14:06 > 0:14:09than those two hands.
0:14:11 > 0:14:14It's just incredible.
0:14:14 > 0:14:18And actually, it was when they were still...
0:14:18 > 0:14:22..when they were courting, when our parents were courting.
0:14:22 > 0:14:26And Mummy, bless her, posed as one of the figures
0:14:26 > 0:14:28lying on the floor.
0:14:28 > 0:14:31And also as Christ...
0:14:31 > 0:14:34There's actually a drawing of her
0:14:34 > 0:14:38posing for this picture.
0:14:56 > 0:15:00Well, the great difference
0:15:00 > 0:15:03between our parents
0:15:03 > 0:15:07was that they wanted no difference.
0:15:09 > 0:15:14They wanted something you can never get in this world...
0:15:14 > 0:15:16..perfect.
0:15:16 > 0:15:20You know, complete unity.
0:15:20 > 0:15:23They got Unity, of course, the child,
0:15:23 > 0:15:27but they couldn't really get this unity.
0:15:30 > 0:15:33It was a...
0:15:33 > 0:15:36It was in one way...
0:15:38 > 0:15:41..the same philosophy,
0:15:41 > 0:15:45and in another quite different.
0:15:45 > 0:15:48A different approach.
0:15:48 > 0:15:50They...
0:15:52 > 0:15:55They were, as I think someone said,
0:15:55 > 0:15:59"these God-besotted Spencers".
0:15:59 > 0:16:01Something of that sort.
0:16:45 > 0:16:48Well, my mother's family moved
0:16:48 > 0:16:51from Oxford to Hampstead,
0:16:51 > 0:16:55and I think my grandmother bought number 47...
0:16:56 > 0:17:01..and that's where I was born, in the top bedroom.
0:17:01 > 0:17:04Shirin was born at the Vale of Health Hotel
0:17:04 > 0:17:06on Hampstead Heath,
0:17:06 > 0:17:10and I was born up there.
0:17:10 > 0:17:12Do you have fond memories of it?
0:17:12 > 0:17:16Oh, yes, very fond. I loved it.
0:17:16 > 0:17:18It was my beloved home and garden.
0:17:18 > 0:17:19I really loved it.
0:17:43 > 0:17:47"Season of mists and mellow fruitfulness
0:17:47 > 0:17:51"Close bosom-friend of the maturing sun
0:17:51 > 0:17:55"Conspiring with him how to load and bless
0:17:55 > 0:17:59"With fruit the vines that round the thatch-eves run."
0:17:59 > 0:18:01I can't remember the middle bit.
0:18:01 > 0:18:04- And then...- It has not often seen me...
0:18:06 > 0:18:11- Sorry, dear?- What about, "Autumn sitting beside thee"?
0:18:11 > 0:18:13- Oh.- Yeah.
0:18:13 > 0:18:15"Oft how I've seen thee by thy store
0:18:15 > 0:18:19"Thy hair soft-lifted by the winnowing wind
0:18:19 > 0:18:23"Or by a half-reap'd furrow sound asleep."
0:18:24 > 0:18:29And something about watching the last oozing, hours by hours.
0:18:29 > 0:18:32A German friend of mine was very put out.
0:18:32 > 0:18:34He said, "Who's got time to do that?"
0:18:34 > 0:18:37And I forgot to tell him that it was autumn, not a human.
0:18:37 > 0:18:38THEY LAUGH
0:18:38 > 0:18:41- Autumn stays a long time.- Yes, yes.
0:20:01 > 0:20:04When things got difficult in Cookham,
0:20:04 > 0:20:08my mother came up to Hampstead,
0:20:08 > 0:20:13with Unity as a really little child,
0:20:13 > 0:20:15and she had a small room.
0:20:21 > 0:20:24There was room for the bed, there was room for a cot.
0:20:26 > 0:20:28It wasn't a big room for another child,
0:20:28 > 0:20:31and there wasn't room in any other room.
0:20:33 > 0:20:39So it was best if I went to stay
0:20:39 > 0:20:43with someone local
0:20:43 > 0:20:46who was related, even distantly.
0:20:48 > 0:20:55And this was Mrs Harter, who was the mother of Gwen Carline.
0:20:55 > 0:20:58My mother's family were Carlines.
0:20:58 > 0:21:04This is Gwen Carline, the widow of my mother's brother Sidney.
0:21:06 > 0:21:10So I went there, I didn't know how long I was going to stay.
0:21:11 > 0:21:14But I went there when I was getting on for six.
0:21:17 > 0:21:20LANGUID PIANO MUSIC
0:21:28 > 0:21:33Oh, well, when I was born, everything...
0:21:33 > 0:21:34I seemed to disrupt everything,
0:21:34 > 0:21:39cos Mrs Harter said she'd look after Shirin.
0:21:39 > 0:21:42She was...the connection she had was her daughter had married Sidney.
0:21:42 > 0:21:45She said she'd look after Shirin,
0:21:45 > 0:21:48but she never returned her.
0:21:48 > 0:21:53And Mummy didn't have the courage to ask for her back.
0:21:53 > 0:21:54So it was pretty awful, really.
0:21:56 > 0:22:00Then, when the War came, I was sent off, taken to Epsom,
0:22:00 > 0:22:02which was ridiculous,
0:22:02 > 0:22:06because Epsom was on the flight path from Croydon Aerodrome to the coast.
0:22:07 > 0:22:10So that was a bit stupid, and deprived Mummy
0:22:10 > 0:22:12of both her daughters.
0:22:12 > 0:22:16All she ever wanted was to have two little girls,
0:22:16 > 0:22:19and Daddy and I discovered...
0:22:19 > 0:22:23I also thought that maybe this is partly what caused her to go mad.
0:22:25 > 0:22:28- That her family was split up and taken from her?- Yes!
0:22:28 > 0:22:31No need. No need at all.
0:22:31 > 0:22:33I mean, if she couldn't have coped,
0:22:33 > 0:22:35she could've got a nanny in to help.
0:22:35 > 0:22:38Already had Miss Swiss Alps.
0:22:38 > 0:22:41SHE CHUCKLES
0:22:41 > 0:22:42This is Cookham village.
0:22:42 > 0:22:47The River Thames passes behind it in a series of gentle bends
0:22:47 > 0:22:50which enclose flat meadows lined with trees.
0:22:53 > 0:22:57By the river and amongst the trees, there is a peaceful church
0:22:57 > 0:23:00and churchyard.
0:23:00 > 0:23:05There are none of Spencer's paintings inside,
0:23:05 > 0:23:08but this church is an important factor in Spencer's mind.
0:23:20 > 0:23:24The village gardens are shaded by flowering shrubs and magnolias,
0:23:24 > 0:23:26or by tall, black cedar trees.
0:23:28 > 0:23:32It's a quiet place with a life and an atmosphere of its own, where
0:23:32 > 0:23:36everyone knows everyone else and where life goes at its own
0:23:36 > 0:23:39unhurried pace.
0:23:39 > 0:23:42Cookham is a kind of newspaper to me,
0:23:42 > 0:23:44through the pages of which I am anxiously
0:23:44 > 0:23:48glancing in the hope of finding something about myself in it.
0:23:50 > 0:23:54On the whole, it's rather satisfactory.
0:23:54 > 0:23:58I seem to find here and there bits, and it sort of
0:23:58 > 0:24:01writes me up very well. But you understand what I mean -
0:24:01 > 0:24:03that I find something of myself all over the place.
0:24:09 > 0:24:12LANGUID PIANO MUSIC
0:24:54 > 0:24:58She made a beeline for Daddy because he got a bit of money.
0:24:58 > 0:25:00Do you think she was after the money?
0:25:00 > 0:25:02Oh, yes. Oh, yes.
0:25:02 > 0:25:05Well, she was a lesbian, she wasn't interested in Daddy.
0:25:12 > 0:25:15Have you got any memories of her, even though you were very young?
0:25:15 > 0:25:17- Patricia?- Yeah.- I met her once when I was about nine.
0:25:18 > 0:25:23And being terribly stupid and gullible... She came in rather
0:25:23 > 0:25:29smarmy, and so I shook hands with her, but Shirin fortunately
0:25:29 > 0:25:34didn't, cos she was much more shrewd and perceptive than I was.
0:25:37 > 0:25:41She had written a letter to Mummy...
0:25:42 > 0:25:48..saying, "Dorothy and I are going on in advance,
0:25:48 > 0:25:53"and Stanley is finishing a landscape.
0:25:53 > 0:25:58"And if you could come down and see to your own things,
0:25:58 > 0:26:03"you know, collect anything that belongs to you,
0:26:03 > 0:26:07"and then come on with Stanley, if you like."
0:26:09 > 0:26:12- On the honeymoon?- To the honeymoon!
0:26:13 > 0:26:15Oh, yes. Oh, yes.
0:26:17 > 0:26:19I mean...
0:26:19 > 0:26:22And, of course...
0:26:22 > 0:26:25I mean, she would have known what would have happened,
0:26:25 > 0:26:28guessed what would have happened
0:26:28 > 0:26:33when Mummy came down to Cookham and there was Daddy, and he was
0:26:33 > 0:26:38so delighted to see her and it was, you know,
0:26:38 > 0:26:42it was almost as if nothing had happened.
0:26:43 > 0:26:47Well, you know, in a way, he was...she'd...
0:26:47 > 0:26:51..have no letters from him at all, and...
0:26:54 > 0:26:57..and so...
0:26:57 > 0:27:00you know, to be greeted like that...
0:27:00 > 0:27:04And, of course, they committed adultery.
0:27:06 > 0:27:10It's a mad, mad situation!
0:27:10 > 0:27:13Because Mummy never felt herself...
0:27:13 > 0:27:18..not to be his wife, really.
0:27:20 > 0:27:24But she was willing to do this.
0:27:24 > 0:27:29She did, she did go down and she did sign the divorce thing.
0:27:31 > 0:27:33You know, she'd never, ever
0:27:33 > 0:27:36thought she was going to be divorced.
0:27:39 > 0:27:41LANGUID PIANO MUSIC
0:28:07 > 0:28:09"You deserve to be cursed.
0:28:11 > 0:28:15"And there is no doubt that you will be,
0:28:15 > 0:28:17"and sooner than you would like.
0:28:20 > 0:28:28"It is not possible that such infinite cruelty could fail
0:28:28 > 0:28:36"to surround, eventually, your own life.
0:28:36 > 0:28:40"Where the hurt-bearing atmosphere...
0:28:40 > 0:28:45"Some tragedy will certainly come...
0:28:47 > 0:28:50"..that you would do anything to prevent.
0:28:53 > 0:28:58"You cannot entertain a devil and trust him
0:28:58 > 0:29:02"not to turn round on yourself
0:29:02 > 0:29:04"and destroy you.
0:29:07 > 0:29:14"Your cruelty will surround your life as it has already
0:29:14 > 0:29:18"entered into your Academy pictures...
0:29:20 > 0:29:27"..the compositions, but more especially, the shapes
0:29:27 > 0:29:29"are cruel shapes.
0:29:31 > 0:29:36"A sensitive person would be knocked backwards
0:29:36 > 0:29:39"and fly from those pictures.
0:29:43 > 0:29:46"You deserve to have a murdered
0:29:46 > 0:29:53"person tied to your back forever,
0:29:53 > 0:29:58"in such a manner that you can never escape from it."
0:30:07 > 0:30:13MUSIC: Let Yourself Go by Ginger Rogers
0:30:51 > 0:30:53# Come, get together
0:30:53 > 0:30:56# Let the dance floor feel your leather
0:30:56 > 0:30:58# Step as lightly as a feather
0:30:58 > 0:31:00# Let yourself go
0:31:00 > 0:31:02# Come, hit the timber
0:31:02 > 0:31:05# Loosen up and start to limber
0:31:05 > 0:31:07# Can't you hear that hot marimba?
0:31:07 > 0:31:09# Let yourself go
0:31:09 > 0:31:11# Let yourself go, relax
0:31:11 > 0:31:14# And let yourself go, relax
0:31:14 > 0:31:16# You've got yourself tied up in a knot
0:31:16 > 0:31:19# The night is cold but the music's hot, so
0:31:19 > 0:31:21# Come, cuddle closer
0:31:21 > 0:31:24# Don't you dare to answer, "No, sir"
0:31:24 > 0:31:26# Butcher, baker, clerk and grocer
0:31:26 > 0:31:28# Let yourself go. #
0:31:42 > 0:31:46- And this home, for you, has been a happy place?- Oh, yes.
0:31:46 > 0:31:50- And so...- Not enough visitors, but it's really nice.- Yeah.
0:31:50 > 0:31:54And so we're wanting now to just thank God for your time here?
0:31:54 > 0:31:57- Yes, yes.- And also to pray for you as you're moving home and going to
0:31:57 > 0:32:00Wales. How would you say you're feeling about moving to Wales?
0:32:00 > 0:32:03- I'm feeling sort of strange.- Yeah.
0:32:03 > 0:32:06A bit strange. But I think it'll be all right.
0:32:06 > 0:32:08- Yeah.- And I...
0:32:08 > 0:32:11My sister will be there, that's partly the reason.
0:32:11 > 0:32:15But she said she hoped she wasn't dragging me to Cowbridge.
0:32:15 > 0:32:18Well, she is dragging me... LAUGHTER
0:32:18 > 0:32:20..but it's quite a nice drag.
0:32:20 > 0:32:23This is from Ephesians 3.
0:32:23 > 0:32:27Unity, I pray that, out of God's glorious riches,
0:32:27 > 0:32:32He may strengthen you with power through His spirit in your inner
0:32:32 > 0:32:36being, so that Christ may dwell in your heart through faith.
0:32:37 > 0:32:40And, Heavenly Father, thank you for Unity.
0:32:40 > 0:32:43Thank you for this house that she has lived in.
0:32:43 > 0:32:46Thank you for the rest she's enjoyed here.
0:32:46 > 0:32:49Thank you for the laughter that's been had here.
0:32:49 > 0:32:51Thank you that this place has been a home of happiness
0:32:51 > 0:32:54and contentment and creativity
0:32:54 > 0:32:57and hope.
0:32:57 > 0:33:00And so, Father, thank you that in the Lord Jesus,
0:33:00 > 0:33:04as Unity moves to Wales, thank you that you will continue to
0:33:04 > 0:33:09be with her, that you will be at home in her.
0:33:09 > 0:33:14And so, Lord, we pray for her, we pray that she might know
0:33:14 > 0:33:17the joy of the Lord as her strength.
0:33:17 > 0:33:21That she might know the peace of the Lord in her heart.
0:33:21 > 0:33:26And that she might know the love of the Lord Jesus at her right hand.
0:33:26 > 0:33:31- And we pray this in Jesus' name. Amen.- Amen.
0:33:32 > 0:33:36- You're very brave...- Am I? - ..starting a new house...
0:33:36 > 0:33:38Oh, I don't know.
0:33:38 > 0:33:40I suppose... Well...
0:33:40 > 0:33:42..life's got to be lived.
0:33:47 > 0:33:51LANGUID PIANO MUSIC
0:34:51 > 0:34:55In this painting of Hilda, Unity and Dolls,
0:34:55 > 0:34:58my mother's in the background and I'm in the foreground...
0:35:00 > 0:35:01..and I've got...
0:35:01 > 0:35:04I'm holding Golden Slumber Sonia Rose in my arms.
0:35:06 > 0:35:08Here she is.
0:35:08 > 0:35:11Here's little Sonia Rose, looking a bit...
0:35:11 > 0:35:13..a little bit sort of...
0:35:13 > 0:35:16I don't know what, quite, but...
0:35:16 > 0:35:18..there she is.
0:35:18 > 0:35:20And what's her full name?
0:35:20 > 0:35:23Golden Slumber Sonia Rose.
0:35:23 > 0:35:26- And did you name her? - I did, certainly.
0:35:26 > 0:35:29Oh, yes.
0:35:29 > 0:35:32Originally, she had black hair, but
0:35:32 > 0:35:36because I cut it, then she had different coloured...
0:35:36 > 0:35:38..hair.
0:35:39 > 0:35:41There she is, bless her.
0:35:47 > 0:35:50- She's a pretty little thing, isn't she?- Beautiful.
0:35:53 > 0:35:55There you are, Sonia Rose. You go back in there, dear.
0:35:57 > 0:35:59Whoops.
0:36:03 > 0:36:07Oh. There we are.
0:36:09 > 0:36:13Mummy doesn't look very happy.
0:36:13 > 0:36:15I'm just kind of ordinary, I suppose.
0:36:17 > 0:36:20Is this at a time of the family breaking up?
0:36:20 > 0:36:22Oh, yes.
0:36:22 > 0:36:24I think the family had.
0:36:26 > 0:36:32In 1937, Minnehaha got left a house in Epsom...
0:36:34 > 0:36:38..which had been her childhood home. I mean, Epsom itself.
0:36:38 > 0:36:41Big house.
0:36:41 > 0:36:45And so she moved there, together with me.
0:36:48 > 0:36:50So you can imagine how I...
0:36:50 > 0:36:52..I missed them.
0:36:52 > 0:36:55I missed Unity and...
0:36:57 > 0:37:00..my mother and my father.
0:37:00 > 0:37:05I hadn't seen my father, actually, since I was about six.
0:37:07 > 0:37:09I didn't see him much, no.
0:37:11 > 0:37:14You know, very seldom.
0:37:14 > 0:37:18He...you know, he did keep in touch with Mummy,
0:37:18 > 0:37:22and of course with Unity, because she was there.
0:37:22 > 0:37:25But, no, I didn't.
0:37:25 > 0:37:30And then...but being in Epsom meant that I wasn't in Hampstead,
0:37:30 > 0:37:35so I wasn't near my mother, couldn't be at any meetings that there were.
0:37:37 > 0:37:40Did you feel very lonely?
0:37:41 > 0:37:43I did feel...
0:37:45 > 0:37:47I suppose...
0:37:47 > 0:37:51..in a way, I felt exiled.
0:37:52 > 0:37:54I wasn't all that lonely -
0:37:54 > 0:37:59I had nice friends, and Minnehaha and Gwen were very kind to me.
0:37:59 > 0:38:02I mean, I got very naughty and got punished a bit,
0:38:02 > 0:38:04but nothing much.
0:38:05 > 0:38:08But, no, I...
0:38:08 > 0:38:10..I just missed them very much.
0:38:13 > 0:38:16# Oh, how amiable are thy dwellings
0:38:16 > 0:38:21# Thou Lord of hosts
0:38:21 > 0:38:25# My soul has a desire and longing
0:38:25 > 0:38:29# To enter into the court of the Lord
0:38:29 > 0:38:34# Ha-na-na-na-na, la-dee-dee-dee-dee-dee. #
0:38:34 > 0:38:37I can't remember the rest, but in the end, it says...
0:38:37 > 0:38:41# I'd rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God
0:38:41 > 0:38:45# Than dwell in the tents of the ungodly. #
0:38:45 > 0:38:46I love this bit.
0:38:46 > 0:38:49"I'd rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God than
0:38:49 > 0:38:52"dwell in the tents of the ungodly."
0:38:52 > 0:38:56Poof! Prrah! Posh! Poof! SHE LAUGHS
0:38:58 > 0:39:01LANGUID PIANO MUSIC
0:39:23 > 0:39:26I remember my mother being very...
0:39:26 > 0:39:29Well, she was in bed and it was 11 o'clock in the morning,
0:39:29 > 0:39:32and she was depressed.
0:39:32 > 0:39:39And suddenly she rose up in bed and stretched a hand out in front of her
0:39:39 > 0:39:42and said, "I hate him. I hate him."
0:39:46 > 0:39:49Well...
0:39:49 > 0:39:52..it was tragic.
0:39:52 > 0:39:54It was appalling.
0:39:54 > 0:39:58It was cruel...and...
0:40:00 > 0:40:03..it was so unjust.
0:40:04 > 0:40:07The way he was behaving.
0:40:09 > 0:40:12But I'm afraid at that time...
0:40:14 > 0:40:17..he felt that, in a sense,
0:40:17 > 0:40:23as an artist, as a genius, he could do anything.
0:40:26 > 0:40:29"I will go for a walk through Cookham churchyard.
0:40:31 > 0:40:34"I will walk along the path which runs under the hedge.
0:40:36 > 0:40:41"I do so and pause to look at a tombstone which rises
0:40:41 > 0:40:47"out of the midst of a small privet hedge which grows over the grave
0:40:47 > 0:40:50"and is railed round with iron railings.
0:40:52 > 0:40:56"A little to the right is a simple mound,
0:40:56 > 0:41:01"guarded at either end by two small firs.
0:41:01 > 0:41:05"Both are upright and elliptical in shape.
0:41:06 > 0:41:11"I return to our house and put it down on paper.
0:41:12 > 0:41:16"I think still more hopefully about the resurrection.
0:41:17 > 0:41:23"I go to supper, not oversatisfied with the evening's thought,
0:41:23 > 0:41:28"but know that tomorrow will see the light.
0:41:28 > 0:41:34"Tomorrow, in my flesh, I shall see God."
0:41:38 > 0:41:42Unity, why do you think Shirin was jealous of you?
0:41:44 > 0:41:48Well, I was four and a half years younger than her
0:41:48 > 0:41:53and that is a very difficult age gap for a child to tolerate, apparently.
0:41:56 > 0:41:59Do you think it was anything to do with the fact
0:41:59 > 0:42:01that you were with your mother?
0:42:01 > 0:42:05- Probably. Could be.- And Shirin was with Mrs...?- Could well be.
0:42:06 > 0:42:10Mrs Harter... She wasn't kind to my mother.
0:42:12 > 0:42:17You know, I mean, all my mother ever wanted was to have two little girls
0:42:17 > 0:42:21and Minnehaha virtually commandeered us.
0:42:22 > 0:42:26And it's not surprising, and I think Daddy and I agree,
0:42:26 > 0:42:30it's not surprising that Mummy became a bit mentally ill
0:42:30 > 0:42:35and said that Mrs Harter was coming to murder everybody.
0:42:35 > 0:42:38I think probably Mummy wanted to murder Mrs Harter.
0:42:42 > 0:42:43Well, we...
0:42:43 > 0:42:46For years, I didn't understand...
0:42:47 > 0:42:52..erm, what Unity was trying to say to me.
0:42:52 > 0:42:54- Why not?- And...- Why not?
0:42:54 > 0:42:56- She was saying...- Why not?
0:42:56 > 0:42:57- Hmm?- Why not?
0:42:58 > 0:43:02Well, I didn't have the capacity to understand that...
0:43:02 > 0:43:04- What?- It wasn't...
0:43:06 > 0:43:08Well, because you'd say, "You know."
0:43:08 > 0:43:13- Well, you did know, Shirin, and you pretended you didn't.- I didn't know.
0:43:13 > 0:43:17- No, a lot of the time you did. - No, I didn't actually know
0:43:17 > 0:43:20but that was because of...
0:43:23 > 0:43:26..my own...
0:43:29 > 0:43:33..lack of knowledge, and lack of knowledge of myself and...
0:43:33 > 0:43:36What I really need is integrity.
0:43:38 > 0:43:42That's what is really essential,
0:43:42 > 0:43:44because it is...
0:43:46 > 0:43:53..being honest with yourself, with other people, and...
0:43:54 > 0:43:58I've always valued other people.
0:43:58 > 0:44:02I've had great love for other people, but I haven't always...
0:44:04 > 0:44:08..understood because I didn't understand myself, you know?
0:44:10 > 0:44:15And I feel, in a way,
0:44:15 > 0:44:18I'm discovering a bit about integrity.
0:44:21 > 0:44:23Rather late.
0:44:23 > 0:44:25But better late than never.
0:44:51 > 0:44:54My father was very musical.
0:44:54 > 0:44:59He came from a family where everyone played an instrument.
0:45:06 > 0:45:14He used to say that Beethoven was like humanity striving for heaven
0:45:14 > 0:45:16and Bach WAS heaven.
0:45:21 > 0:45:24Straighten the piano up on three.
0:45:24 > 0:45:26Point the piano that way.
0:45:45 > 0:45:47- Cup of tea?- Hurray!
0:45:57 > 0:45:59Which way up is it going in?
0:46:01 > 0:46:06SHE PLAYS: God Save The Queen
0:46:06 > 0:46:08LAUGHTER
0:46:50 > 0:46:53Shirin has a real network of friends here,
0:46:53 > 0:46:57an amazing network of friends, and her church, and she's made
0:46:57 > 0:47:02a real home, and she's still active in her village and her community.
0:47:02 > 0:47:04Mum has friends in London
0:47:04 > 0:47:07but she's not active with them in the way Shirin is.
0:47:07 > 0:47:10If I've got to look after both of them, or provide care, or...
0:47:10 > 0:47:14..whatever way, to get care for both of them, in the future,
0:47:14 > 0:47:19financially, it's a no-brainer to bring Mum here than to take Shirin
0:47:19 > 0:47:22to London, and Mum agreed, and so we've done it,
0:47:22 > 0:47:26and so far, it seems to be, it feels to be the right decision.
0:47:26 > 0:47:30And Shirin and Mum are getting so close,
0:47:30 > 0:47:33and as I said, Shirin's never had, since she was four...
0:47:33 > 0:47:36I know we've asked and talked about them living together,
0:47:36 > 0:47:41but living together unconditionally in a happy space,
0:47:41 > 0:47:42this is the first time.
0:47:42 > 0:47:45And they are happy together, and that's wonderful.
0:48:58 > 0:49:00Tell us about this painting.
0:49:00 > 0:49:06Well, it's packing up our trunks at the end of term
0:49:06 > 0:49:09to go home for the holidays.
0:49:09 > 0:49:11And...
0:49:14 > 0:49:16..that's about it, really.
0:49:16 > 0:49:20Are you self-taught? You said you had to work it all out for yourself.
0:49:20 > 0:49:22Oh, yes, I hadn't been to art school.
0:49:22 > 0:49:25I mean, we had a good art teacher at school
0:49:25 > 0:49:27but I hadn't been to art school.
0:49:38 > 0:49:41"Oh, how I long to paint.
0:49:42 > 0:49:47"A man told me that Malta possesses many old churches
0:49:47 > 0:49:49"full of frescoes
0:49:49 > 0:49:53"and one in particular called the church of St Paul,
0:49:53 > 0:49:56"which contains the life of St Paul on its walls.
0:49:58 > 0:50:02"When this man told me this, I began to long.
0:50:02 > 0:50:06"I couldn't help thinking what a glorious thing it was to be
0:50:06 > 0:50:13"an artist, to perform miracles, and that I wanted to work and couldn't."
0:50:15 > 0:50:19"If I see a man putting a bivouac up beautifully,
0:50:19 > 0:50:23"I want to do it myself.
0:50:23 > 0:50:26"And when I read of Christ raising the dead,
0:50:26 > 0:50:29"I want to raise the dead myself."
0:50:52 > 0:50:55The one of the picnic where Patricia is there -
0:50:55 > 0:50:57does that still make you... Do you get cross?
0:50:57 > 0:51:01Well, I...
0:51:01 > 0:51:05..I've sort of dealt with it.
0:51:05 > 0:51:11Erm... Obviously, when people bring that time up,
0:51:11 > 0:51:13it's uncomfortable.
0:51:14 > 0:51:20Because... More because of me than because of Patricia.
0:51:22 > 0:51:25Because of how I felt about her
0:51:25 > 0:51:30and the fact that I think
0:51:30 > 0:51:33she's the only person in my life I've hated.
0:51:36 > 0:51:38And I guess it was partly jealousy.
0:51:41 > 0:51:49And I think I must have realised quite early on that...
0:51:51 > 0:51:53..she was taking my dad away.
0:52:26 > 0:52:29There is in the copyright a clause
0:52:29 > 0:52:33that you can pretty much reproduce anything,
0:52:33 > 0:52:36but you cannot reproduce the double nude.
0:52:36 > 0:52:37Shirin can't look at it.
0:52:39 > 0:52:47And the pain for Shirin has been immense and total, it's complete.
0:52:47 > 0:52:51Recently, she's softening on it
0:52:51 > 0:52:55because of, I've put conversations to her, saying, you know,
0:52:55 > 0:53:01in time, people will be able to see this picture more, so...
0:53:01 > 0:53:03Mum can look at the picture. Shirin can't.
0:53:06 > 0:53:10For Shirin, I don't know whether it's difficult to
0:53:10 > 0:53:14look at your pretty much fully... full frontal naked father,
0:53:14 > 0:53:17or whether it is Patricia.
0:53:18 > 0:53:21And it's just the fact that there is the woman -
0:53:21 > 0:53:25there are other pictures with her in but this one's pretty brutal
0:53:25 > 0:53:28for a daughter to cope with, for a woman to cope with,
0:53:28 > 0:53:29for an old lady to cope with.
0:53:30 > 0:53:32So, it's bloody painful.
0:54:12 > 0:54:15Christ fell asleep and when he woke in the morning, he said,
0:54:15 > 0:54:17"I will arise now and go to my father."
0:54:20 > 0:54:23And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilderness.
0:54:26 > 0:54:28For wheresover the carcass is,
0:54:28 > 0:54:31there will the eagles be gathered together.
0:54:33 > 0:54:37How often would I have gathered the children together,
0:54:37 > 0:54:39even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings.
0:54:41 > 0:54:45And Jesus said unto him, "The foxes have holes and the birds
0:54:45 > 0:54:47"of the air have nests
0:54:47 > 0:54:49"but the Son of Man hath not where to lay his head."
0:54:51 > 0:54:55And when he sent them away, he departed into a mountain to pray.
0:55:00 > 0:55:02He said those paintings were painted
0:55:02 > 0:55:04at a very difficult time for him. When was that?
0:55:04 > 0:55:09Well, it was after his second marriage had broken up.
0:55:11 > 0:55:13And...
0:55:16 > 0:55:19You know, he was very courageous.
0:55:23 > 0:55:24But he...
0:55:24 > 0:55:30He just got on with the job and did more paintings, and of course
0:55:30 > 0:55:34the Christ in the Wilderness series came out of that time too.
0:55:36 > 0:55:41And some of those paintings - fantastic, like The Scorpion...
0:55:41 > 0:55:42SHE EXHALES
0:55:42 > 0:55:43That's amazing.
0:55:47 > 0:55:51Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions
0:55:51 > 0:55:54and over all the power of the enemy,
0:55:54 > 0:55:56and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
0:55:59 > 0:56:02Then why take ye thought for raiment?
0:56:02 > 0:56:05Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow.
0:56:05 > 0:56:09They toil not, neither do they spin, and yet I say unto you that
0:56:09 > 0:56:13even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
0:56:13 > 0:56:17This kneeling position was a memory of seeing my baby Shirin
0:56:17 > 0:56:20looking down into the long grass.
0:56:22 > 0:56:24This picture of the...
0:56:28 > 0:56:33..Christ in the Wilderness, and it's The Scorpion.
0:56:37 > 0:56:40The colours are very muted.
0:56:41 > 0:56:49The colour of his robe and the rocks around and the sand beyond that,
0:56:49 > 0:56:53they're just the same, the same colour.
0:56:55 > 0:57:00He is one, he's absolutely one with nature.
0:57:02 > 0:57:07But he's got this little scorpion in his hand
0:57:07 > 0:57:12and although it says, "You should take up scorpions and snakes
0:57:12 > 0:57:16"and any deadly thing, they will not harm you,"
0:57:16 > 0:57:20what he's really doing is looking at this scorpion
0:57:20 > 0:57:26with great attention and great affection, you know, being...
0:57:27 > 0:57:33In the looking at nature, that time, he's...
0:57:34 > 0:57:38He's looking at the creation,
0:57:38 > 0:57:43and he had a big part in that, so, you know,
0:57:43 > 0:57:48the scorpion is one of his creations and he's jolly interested in it.
0:57:50 > 0:57:52It's so loving.
0:57:53 > 0:57:57You know, and also, though I don't really...
0:57:57 > 0:58:01I'm not particularly interested in the...
0:58:03 > 0:58:07..you know, astrology,
0:58:07 > 0:58:11I am under the sign of Scorpio,
0:58:11 > 0:58:12and...
0:58:14 > 0:58:20..I think I can sort of put myself into it
0:58:20 > 0:58:25and feel that he's looking at me with kindness.
0:58:27 > 0:58:30Sort of, "I'll give you another chance, old girl."
0:58:36 > 0:58:38That is my Uncle Will.
0:58:38 > 0:58:42He was the oldest brother in a family of about eight children,
0:58:42 > 0:58:48Spencer children, and very much sort of revered by the younger members,
0:58:48 > 0:58:52and Daddy and I visited him in Switzerland.
0:58:52 > 0:58:56On this occasion, he had been ill,
0:58:56 > 0:59:02so he was in bed, and Daddy sat on one side and I sat on the other
0:59:02 > 0:59:04and we drew him,
0:59:04 > 0:59:08and Daddy said he thought my drawings were better than his.
0:59:09 > 0:59:13I think, actually, on this occasion, my drawing WAS better than his.
0:59:13 > 0:59:16It was more sympathetic, somehow.
1:00:19 > 1:00:22And then I came back from the Slade one day,
1:00:22 > 1:00:27I'd just started at the Slade, from Wimbledon Art School,
1:00:27 > 1:00:31and I came in and I said, "How's Mummy?"
1:00:31 > 1:00:34And she looked very serious,
1:00:34 > 1:00:39so I dashed out of the house, and I ran and ran and ran and ran and ran,
1:00:39 > 1:00:45all the way up a steep slope leading to New End Hospital,
1:00:45 > 1:00:50and as I came up the stairs, I saw Daddy come out of the ward
1:00:50 > 1:00:53and I realised that Mummy had died,
1:00:53 > 1:00:56and I let out a great big howl
1:00:56 > 1:01:00that reverberated all around that bit of the hospital.
1:01:29 > 1:01:31They're both very brave woman
1:01:31 > 1:01:34because they've come through it and they've coped,
1:01:34 > 1:01:38and I've see it when I was younger. I've seen Mum's depression.
1:01:38 > 1:01:41I've come home from boarding school for the weekend
1:01:41 > 1:01:43and Mum's in her pyjamas under her clothes
1:01:43 > 1:01:46because she couldn't be bothered to get dressed properly
1:01:46 > 1:01:47and she's met me off the bus.
1:01:47 > 1:01:50And when she was depressed in London, I didn't know where
1:01:50 > 1:01:52home was going to be till we got there and it's a bedsit
1:01:52 > 1:01:56in Sutherland Road near the Harrow Road, off Maida Vale.
1:01:56 > 1:01:58And...
1:01:58 > 1:02:02..I've had to just lump it and get on with my day, weekend,
1:02:02 > 1:02:05go back to boarding school. Um...
1:02:05 > 1:02:08And Shirin at that time was in Africa.
1:02:08 > 1:02:11I don't know whether Shirin went to Africa...
1:02:12 > 1:02:15I don't know the motive but I think a lot of the motive is,
1:02:15 > 1:02:21the safest place to be is as far away as possible from this...family.
1:02:28 > 1:02:31And how long had you suffered from depression?
1:02:31 > 1:02:3315 years or so.
1:02:33 > 1:02:35Maybe even more.
1:02:37 > 1:02:40I did a strange thing called the Landmark Forum.
1:02:41 > 1:02:44Tough, very tough, and...
1:02:45 > 1:02:49You have to do lots of different things, and at the end, I...
1:02:50 > 1:02:54You have to get up on the platform and say who you are.
1:02:54 > 1:02:59I said, "Who I am is the possibility of daring, joy and love,
1:02:59 > 1:03:01"and I give up being the victim."
1:03:01 > 1:03:04And when I said that, I was freed of the depression!
1:03:04 > 1:03:09But it was because I said it publicly that I was freed.
1:03:09 > 1:03:12Had I said it in here, I wouldn't have been freed.
1:03:14 > 1:03:18I did go to the Forum,
1:03:18 > 1:03:23which Unity had been to, and...
1:03:23 > 1:03:27And that's when she said, "I forgive you,"
1:03:27 > 1:03:30and I wasn't quite sure in particular what things
1:03:30 > 1:03:33she was forgiving or just general forgiveness,
1:03:33 > 1:03:36but that was fine, and...
1:03:38 > 1:03:45And I thought, "Oh, well, perhaps she no longer wants to reject me."
1:03:45 > 1:03:47Reject you?
1:03:47 > 1:03:50- Reject you?!- Yes.
1:03:50 > 1:03:52- Since when?- Every...
1:03:52 > 1:03:56- Well, I did feel rejected, obviously.- Oh, well. Oh, right.
1:03:56 > 1:03:58Because I couldn't...
1:03:58 > 1:04:04Because I didn't have the nous to understand what was going on.
1:04:04 > 1:04:06I think you understood very well.
1:04:06 > 1:04:10- Sorry?- I think you understood very well.- No, I did not.
1:04:10 > 1:04:12I know you deny it, Shirin, but I think you did.
1:04:57 > 1:05:02At some point fairly recently, I think I realised that...
1:05:05 > 1:05:12..it was important to forgive... forgive her, and that also,
1:05:12 > 1:05:15if I didn't forgive her, I wouldn't be forgiven.
1:05:30 > 1:05:34And hope is nothing flimsy-whimsy at all.
1:05:34 > 1:05:39Hope is strong and kind
1:05:39 > 1:05:45and I hate to disagree with the great poet who wrote,
1:05:45 > 1:05:49"Things fall apart, the centre cannot hold..."
1:05:51 > 1:05:56I personally believe in a strong centre.
1:05:57 > 1:05:59A warm, kind...
1:06:01 > 1:06:03..no-nonsense centre.
1:06:05 > 1:06:11I do believe that, and I've had nearly 91 years' experience
1:06:11 > 1:06:14and I do want to thank you all for coming.
1:06:14 > 1:06:17It's just lovely to see you
1:06:17 > 1:06:22and now I'm all ready to say hello to everybody.
1:06:22 > 1:06:23LAUGHTER
1:06:23 > 1:06:27And you're wonderful. And John has been fantastic.
1:06:27 > 1:06:30I never thought this day...
1:06:30 > 1:06:32Well, I mean, talk about hope...
1:06:32 > 1:06:34LAUGHTER
1:06:34 > 1:06:37..but I always HOPED it might come,
1:06:37 > 1:06:39and it has come.
1:06:39 > 1:06:45And I can't say what it means to me,
1:06:45 > 1:06:46and to Unity.
1:07:56 > 1:07:58When Daddy...
1:07:59 > 1:08:04..when his coffin was in Holy Trinity Church,
1:08:04 > 1:08:10it was there because the cremation was going to be the next day
1:08:10 > 1:08:13and the day after that was going to be the funeral...
1:08:13 > 1:08:18- I'm cold!- ..and they were rehearsing a nativity play...- I'm cold!
1:08:18 > 1:08:20And it was children,
1:08:20 > 1:08:25and there were little children dressed as angels,
1:08:25 > 1:08:32and one adorable little angel, plump and confident,
1:08:32 > 1:08:36and she put her elbow on the coffin.
1:08:36 > 1:08:39She was just doing this.
1:08:39 > 1:08:41You don't mind, Mummy?
1:08:41 > 1:08:44She was just doing this, and...
1:08:46 > 1:08:52..I thought how Daddy would have loved to draw that.
1:08:52 > 1:08:55There was something brilliant about it.
1:08:59 > 1:09:01That's what I wanted to say.
1:09:06 > 1:09:08Yeah. Well...
1:09:20 > 1:09:23"Writing this letter has been strange.
1:09:23 > 1:09:27"I feel as though I am writing to people in general
1:09:27 > 1:09:29"rather than to you specifically.
1:09:29 > 1:09:35"At the same time, the thought of writing a personal letter to you
1:09:35 > 1:09:37"feels almost impossible,
1:09:37 > 1:09:40"perhaps because I felt so much grief when you died.
1:09:44 > 1:09:48"This lasted a long time in various ways.
1:09:48 > 1:09:51"I'm so glad that's far in the past.
1:09:53 > 1:09:57"And maybe getting too close would feel unwise...
1:09:59 > 1:10:04"..but my love for you, Daddy, is deep and enduring for always,
1:10:04 > 1:10:07"as is my love for Mummy.
1:10:07 > 1:10:12"If someone told me you were both at the bottom of my road now,
1:10:12 > 1:10:17"I would run like the wind to you both and envelop you in my arms
1:10:17 > 1:10:19"and hug you and kiss you.
1:10:20 > 1:10:25"All I can do now is say goodbye, God be with you,
1:10:25 > 1:10:30"and to give lots and lots of love to Mummy and to you
1:10:30 > 1:10:33"and to send you your grandson's love...
1:10:34 > 1:10:38"..even though he does not know I'm sending it to you.
1:10:38 > 1:10:43"This is getting like the ending of some of Beethoven's works,
1:10:43 > 1:10:49"where he can't decide how and when to end a piece of music."
1:10:53 > 1:10:58MUSIC: Prelude in C Major by Johann Sebastian Bach
1:13:24 > 1:13:29It's very strange having Unity in a different place.
1:13:32 > 1:13:36What was the last 18 months like?
1:13:37 > 1:13:39Wonderful.
1:13:40 > 1:13:42Difficult.
1:13:42 > 1:13:44At times, sad.
1:13:45 > 1:13:48At times, very happy.
1:13:49 > 1:13:57But I really felt there's only one Unity and...
1:13:59 > 1:14:02..she does it well. But...
1:14:05 > 1:14:08I say she wasn't too bad,
1:14:08 > 1:14:13and when I say something like that, it just is...
1:14:13 > 1:14:18.."I love you, dear." And...
1:14:21 > 1:14:24And one knows what I really mean.