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0:00:30 > 0:00:31Here we go!

0:00:31 > 0:00:34For the great firework!

0:00:40 > 0:00:43People ask me,

0:00:43 > 0:00:45"Do the English people want

0:00:45 > 0:00:47"a national theatre?"

0:00:47 > 0:00:49Well, of course, they don't.

0:00:49 > 0:00:51They never want anything.

0:00:51 > 0:00:53They've got a British Museum,

0:00:53 > 0:00:55but they never wanted one.

0:00:55 > 0:00:57They've got a National Gallery,

0:00:57 > 0:00:59but they never wanted it.

0:00:59 > 0:01:00But now that they've got it,

0:01:00 > 0:01:06now that it stands there as a mysterious phenomenon

0:01:06 > 0:01:10that came to them in some type of fashion, they quite approve of it.

0:01:14 > 0:01:15It wasn't until 1963

0:01:15 > 0:01:18that the long-held dream of a national theatre of Great Britain

0:01:18 > 0:01:20became a reality.

0:01:21 > 0:01:25Its first home was the borrowed stage of the Old Vic theatre

0:01:25 > 0:01:28in London, which had been putting on legendary productions

0:01:28 > 0:01:30of Shakespeare since the 1930s.

0:01:34 > 0:01:36At the helm of the newly-formed National Theatre

0:01:36 > 0:01:42was Laurence Olivier, the greatest actor of his time.

0:01:42 > 0:01:46Forming a company, helping it along, serving it, leading it -

0:01:46 > 0:01:49that's the most exciting thing I think a man can do.

0:01:49 > 0:01:53'If there was going to be a national theatre, Olivier would have to be

0:01:53 > 0:01:54running it.

0:01:54 > 0:01:58He represented the theatre

0:01:58 > 0:01:59in a symbolic way.

0:01:59 > 0:02:02APPLAUSE

0:02:04 > 0:02:09Your Royal Highness, lords, ladies and gentlemen,

0:02:09 > 0:02:12this is a joyous occasion.

0:02:12 > 0:02:16The National Theatre is to be something

0:02:16 > 0:02:20which the Old Vic is dedicated to,

0:02:20 > 0:02:25'with Laurence, who is a passionate lover of the theatre.

0:02:25 > 0:02:29'A fine actor, Laurence has got that feeling that

0:02:29 > 0:02:33'we are doing something for our country, something to make

0:02:33 > 0:02:36'our country more aware of itself.'

0:02:36 > 0:02:37As Shakespeare is,

0:02:37 > 0:02:40kind of, the spine of British playwriting,

0:02:40 > 0:02:43Olivier, during that period, was the spine

0:02:43 > 0:02:47of British acting. Everybody wanted to work at the National.

0:02:47 > 0:02:50And it was at the Old Vic, which, itself, had this extraordinary

0:02:50 > 0:02:51history.

0:02:53 > 0:02:55It was an actors' theatre,

0:02:55 > 0:02:59in that it was run by the greatest actor we had.

0:03:01 > 0:03:04It was not an inevitability

0:03:04 > 0:03:07that it would get off the ground, by any means. Once it was

0:03:07 > 0:03:10off the ground, it was not inevitable that it would survive.

0:03:10 > 0:03:14That it survived, that it succeeded in the most extraordinary fashion,

0:03:14 > 0:03:16that was all due to Olivier.

0:03:16 > 0:03:19Olivier was able to bring the directors and the writers

0:03:19 > 0:03:21and, above all, the actors.

0:03:22 > 0:03:26Olivier himself directed the opening production of Hamlet in 1963,

0:03:26 > 0:03:28starring Peter O'Toole.

0:03:30 > 0:03:33Laurence said, "When you start the National Theatre after 300 years

0:03:33 > 0:03:36"of talking about it and you open with Hamlet,

0:03:36 > 0:03:38"you just put on your strongest suit of armour

0:03:38 > 0:03:40"and expect everybody to take aim

0:03:40 > 0:03:45"at you", which, of course, I think they did.

0:03:46 > 0:03:50The following year, Olivier's own sell-out performance as Othello

0:03:50 > 0:03:52was a huge critical success.

0:03:52 > 0:03:56And Peter Schaffer's The Royal Hunt of the Sun

0:03:56 > 0:03:57heralded the National's commitment

0:03:57 > 0:04:00to new plays by contemporary writers,

0:04:00 > 0:04:01including Harold Pinter,

0:04:01 > 0:04:07Tom Stoppard, David Hare and Alan Bennett.

0:04:09 > 0:04:13The Old Vic was always meant to be a temporary home, until a new theatre

0:04:13 > 0:04:17could be built on the south bank of the Thames.

0:04:17 > 0:04:21Olivier, constantly had to defend its cost and its severe modernist

0:04:21 > 0:04:22design.

0:04:23 > 0:04:24Would you argue for it to be

0:04:24 > 0:04:27given priority, for example, over hospitals and schools?

0:04:27 > 0:04:31I don't think anything should be given priority over hospitals

0:04:31 > 0:04:34or schools or houses, but would point out that, in Germany,

0:04:34 > 0:04:37it would be given priority over all those three things.

0:04:37 > 0:04:43The new building housed not one, but three, separate theatres.

0:04:43 > 0:04:45It still looks like a fortress, until you get inside.

0:04:47 > 0:04:50The grandeur of the Olivier is one thing.

0:04:51 > 0:04:53The Lyttelton is not unlike the West End,

0:04:53 > 0:04:57cos of the feeling in the theatre and the proscenium arch.

0:04:57 > 0:04:59And then, the Cottesloe is like off Broadway,

0:04:59 > 0:05:01so what you have got

0:05:01 > 0:05:04is off Broadway, Broadway and the Metropole and Opera,

0:05:04 > 0:05:05all in one building.

0:05:09 > 0:05:12In 1976, the new theatre finally opened

0:05:12 > 0:05:16and Laurence Olivier took to the stage that bears his name

0:05:16 > 0:05:18for the first, and last, time.

0:05:20 > 0:05:24By now, he'd been succeeded as director by Peter Hall,

0:05:24 > 0:05:26founder of the Royal Shakespeare Company,

0:05:26 > 0:05:29the National's main rival.

0:05:29 > 0:05:32Peter took over the National Theatre at a difficult time,

0:05:32 > 0:05:35at a time when there was a lot of political opposition to the very idea

0:05:35 > 0:05:38of it. He had to be enormously

0:05:38 > 0:05:41persuasive. He had to face that political opposition down

0:05:41 > 0:05:44and he also had fights with

0:05:44 > 0:05:48the building, which was late being delivered, the unions,

0:05:48 > 0:05:52the backstage unions.

0:05:52 > 0:05:57So, Peter had to face all that and he was directing plays at the same time.

0:05:57 > 0:05:58It's only in retrospect

0:05:58 > 0:06:03that one can say it was OK. Damn nearly wasn't.

0:06:07 > 0:06:09Peter Hall was the second of five directors

0:06:09 > 0:06:11who have run the National Theatre.

0:06:11 > 0:06:14He was succeeded by Richard Eyre.

0:06:15 > 0:06:18Well, it's wonderful to sit in the director's office

0:06:18 > 0:06:21and be able to look down river to the Houses of Parliament

0:06:21 > 0:06:26and also poke your head round the corner and see St Paul's.

0:06:26 > 0:06:31So, it's impossible, I think, to be in that office and not feel

0:06:31 > 0:06:39that you have a responsibility to reflect the feeling of a nation.

0:06:40 > 0:06:44That is what the theatre exists to do.

0:06:46 > 0:06:47Richard Eyre was

0:06:47 > 0:06:51followed by the celebrated director, Trevor Nunn.

0:06:51 > 0:06:53I had a wonderful time,

0:06:53 > 0:06:57mainly because I found myself working with

0:06:57 > 0:07:00such an extraordinary number of wonderful people.

0:07:00 > 0:07:02The level of expertise

0:07:02 > 0:07:07and of sheer excellence, in all departments, was very rare

0:07:07 > 0:07:10and instantly recognisable.

0:07:12 > 0:07:14You can choose to go to a theatre

0:07:14 > 0:07:17where it just does one play or you can go to the National,

0:07:17 > 0:07:21where you can see a constantly-changing repertoire,

0:07:21 > 0:07:25all under one roof and in a way you can afford.

0:07:27 > 0:07:31The first time I walked through the stage door of the National Theatre,

0:07:31 > 0:07:34my life changed. I would meet people at the stage door

0:07:34 > 0:07:38all the time and they'd go, "I've never been here before.

0:07:38 > 0:07:40"Has this been here long?" Do you know what I mean?

0:07:40 > 0:07:41And here we are -

0:07:41 > 0:07:4250 years. 50 years.

0:07:58 > 0:07:59MAN WAILS

0:07:59 > 0:08:02Speak! Or go no further!

0:08:03 > 0:08:06I am my father's spirit.

0:08:08 > 0:08:10Doomed for a certain term...

0:08:12 > 0:08:13..to walk the night.

0:08:15 > 0:08:19In our contemporary, essentially-rational,

0:08:19 > 0:08:21highly-politicised world,

0:08:21 > 0:08:24what would it be like

0:08:24 > 0:08:25if somebody's ghost pitched up?

0:08:27 > 0:08:30It would be utterly terrifying, completely unprecedented

0:08:30 > 0:08:32and nobody would know what to do.

0:08:32 > 0:08:37Well, actually, Shakespeare goes to a great deal of trouble

0:08:37 > 0:08:40to make the appearance of this ghost exactly that.

0:08:41 > 0:08:45'This ghost is unprecedented, in the lives of all the characters

0:08:45 > 0:08:50'onstage and they react to the ghost as I think we would react

0:08:50 > 0:08:51'if we saw a ghost.'

0:08:51 > 0:08:56In other words, in Elsinore, or London, 1601 -

0:08:56 > 0:08:59take your pick - ghosts do not appear.

0:09:03 > 0:09:06Hamlet is, in many ways, the foundation stone

0:09:06 > 0:09:07of the English theatre.

0:09:07 > 0:09:09What else?

0:09:09 > 0:09:11It was first performed not a mile

0:09:11 > 0:09:14from where I am currently sitting,

0:09:14 > 0:09:16at The Globe, in 1601.

0:09:17 > 0:09:18Remember me...

0:09:18 > 0:09:22It's been in the repertoire for 400 years.

0:09:22 > 0:09:25..in this distracted goal.

0:09:26 > 0:09:30- Remember thee...- Every great actor has played Hamlet.

0:09:30 > 0:09:31From the table of my memory

0:09:31 > 0:09:34I'll wipe away all trivial fond records that youth

0:09:34 > 0:09:35And observation copied there.

0:09:35 > 0:09:38And thy commandment all alone shall live

0:09:38 > 0:09:40Within the book and volume of my brain

0:09:40 > 0:09:42Unmixed with baser matter.

0:09:45 > 0:09:49What a piece of wood is a man. How noble in reason.

0:09:49 > 0:09:54How in faculty, in form, in moving. How express...

0:09:54 > 0:09:56And now I'll do it!

0:09:59 > 0:10:00Until he goes to heaven.

0:10:00 > 0:10:04The one thing we can't get is what the audience in 1601 got,

0:10:04 > 0:10:08which was it must have seen its own world on the stage.

0:10:08 > 0:10:13We can only be voyeurs of a play like Hamlet.

0:10:13 > 0:10:18We don't live within a totalitarian dictatorship, which operates

0:10:18 > 0:10:22through a security system based on constant surveillance.

0:10:22 > 0:10:25Shakespeare's audience was living in that world.

0:10:25 > 0:10:27That's how Elizabeth I exerted power.

0:10:31 > 0:10:35I've come at it with the idea that Elsinore itself

0:10:35 > 0:10:38is a totally contemporary dictatorship

0:10:38 > 0:10:40with a highly-developed surveillance operation -

0:10:40 > 0:10:42everybody spies on everybody else.

0:10:42 > 0:10:45Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are brought in to spy on Hamlet,

0:10:45 > 0:10:46Polonius spies on Laertes.

0:10:46 > 0:10:49Everybody's watching everybody else.

0:10:49 > 0:10:54- Nobody is honest with everybody else.- I will come by and by!

0:10:54 > 0:10:57The major strokes of the production are in creating that world

0:10:57 > 0:11:00with the security guards, which is incredibly detailed

0:11:00 > 0:11:02and followed through.

0:11:02 > 0:11:04There will always be people there watching,

0:11:04 > 0:11:07menacing shadows in the background.

0:11:07 > 0:11:08Not allowing people

0:11:08 > 0:11:11to live their lives, except under pressure.

0:11:14 > 0:11:18No-one trusts anybody else. No-one says what they mean.

0:11:18 > 0:11:20That is especially clear in this production

0:11:20 > 0:11:24because of all the cameras and the agents monitoring everything.

0:11:25 > 0:11:28Ophelia, in her first scene, she is reading a book.

0:11:28 > 0:11:31When her dad comes in, she hides the book.

0:11:31 > 0:11:34You get the idea that everything is monitored,

0:11:34 > 0:11:37what they are allowed to read, what they are allowed to listen to.

0:11:37 > 0:11:41I think it's familiar to a lot of people around the world.

0:11:41 > 0:11:45METAL CLANGS

0:11:45 > 0:11:49Originally, we were looking at potential modern parallels,

0:11:49 > 0:11:51somewhere where, through murky politics,

0:11:51 > 0:11:54leadership can still pass through family lines.

0:11:54 > 0:11:56METAL CLANGS

0:11:56 > 0:12:01A world in which people don't have a sense of their own freedom or

0:12:01 > 0:12:05a sense of the individual being more important than the state.

0:12:06 > 0:12:10MUSIC DROWNS SPEECH

0:12:10 > 0:12:15Murder and surveillance, as a wing of state policy...

0:12:16 > 0:12:19..you don't have to go far east to find those.

0:12:19 > 0:12:21MUSIC DROWNS SPEECH

0:12:23 > 0:12:26There are such dictatorships in Europe where you can imagine

0:12:26 > 0:12:30the presidency passing from one brother to another.

0:12:30 > 0:12:32There is plenty to draw upon there.

0:12:34 > 0:12:38Revenge his foul and most unnatural murder.

0:12:38 > 0:12:45I think the memorable Hamlets emerge in response not just to the play

0:12:45 > 0:12:48but to the place in time they are happening in.

0:12:49 > 0:12:53Rory's dismay is a very 21st-century dismay.

0:12:53 > 0:12:56It is a dismay based on a highly-developed

0:12:56 > 0:12:58ironic intelligence.

0:12:58 > 0:13:05But it is also based on a super sensitivity to the impossibility

0:13:05 > 0:13:09in this spied upon, surveyed,

0:13:09 > 0:13:11utterly un-private world.

0:13:11 > 0:13:13Here is somewhere our audience will know what

0:13:13 > 0:13:15we're talking about.

0:13:15 > 0:13:16Bloody, bawdy villain!

0:13:16 > 0:13:18Is it possible any more,

0:13:18 > 0:13:22surveilled, picked apart pulled this way and that

0:13:22 > 0:13:24as we are, to act truthfully?

0:13:32 > 0:13:34HELICOPTERS WHIR

0:13:38 > 0:13:41What's really important, it seems to me,

0:13:41 > 0:13:45is that the Army is central to this play.

0:13:45 > 0:13:49It's something I know that we'll want to explore -

0:13:49 > 0:13:52what a life spent fighting, what a life spent devoted to violence

0:13:52 > 0:13:57has done to the men who are at the centre of the play

0:13:57 > 0:14:00and to the women who find themselves caught up in the drama.

0:14:00 > 0:14:05Jonathan, who arrived late, who I hope will be able

0:14:05 > 0:14:08to talk to us at some point, was until recently

0:14:08 > 0:14:11a pretty high-ranking general in the British Army.

0:14:11 > 0:14:14I gave them advice on how to dress, how to wear their berets,

0:14:14 > 0:14:16how to wear their clothing.

0:14:16 > 0:14:18All of them took that on board and you can see them,

0:14:18 > 0:14:20they all look proper soldiers.

0:14:20 > 0:14:24There is one exception to that and that is Rory himself with Iago.

0:14:24 > 0:14:27No matter how many times I told him about wearing his beret

0:14:27 > 0:14:31slightly tilted forward or flat but certainly not tilted backwards

0:14:31 > 0:14:33and do something about the knot at the back

0:14:33 > 0:14:35because it's dangling down, he wouldn't.

0:14:35 > 0:14:39His trousers were scruffy. They run down over his boots.

0:14:39 > 0:14:43I kept saying, "You should alter that." Then I stopped saying that

0:14:43 > 0:14:46because actually that is the way he is portraying the character.

0:14:48 > 0:14:52Jonathan Shaw has been extremely interesting about

0:14:52 > 0:14:54the military context of the play.

0:14:54 > 0:14:56One of things he insists on,

0:14:56 > 0:15:00is how important trust is between men in the Army.

0:15:00 > 0:15:03It is quite clear that the reason Iago is able to do

0:15:03 > 0:15:07what he does with Othello, is because Othello trusts him

0:15:07 > 0:15:12more completely than maybe two men in civilian life would trust each other.

0:15:12 > 0:15:14It's a given in the Army. You have to.

0:15:15 > 0:15:19Let command and to obey in me

0:15:19 > 0:15:21Shall be remorse what bloody business ever.

0:15:22 > 0:15:24Come here.

0:15:24 > 0:15:26Military life is based on

0:15:26 > 0:15:30loyalty and a code of honour amongst soldiers.

0:15:32 > 0:15:37And it's from that that Iago is able to get away with what he does

0:15:37 > 0:15:42that no-one would question another soldier's loyalty to his colleague.

0:15:43 > 0:15:45Now art thou my lieutenant.

0:15:45 > 0:15:51Their bond of friendship and mutual trust goes back years.

0:15:51 > 0:15:56That is why Iago feels betrayed because he believes that

0:15:56 > 0:16:00seniority, length of service should be what determines promotion.

0:16:03 > 0:16:08His standing in the structures of military life was pretty low,

0:16:08 > 0:16:13although he had a closeness with Othello, who was at the very top.

0:16:13 > 0:16:17When passed over for promotion and having his nose rubbed in

0:16:17 > 0:16:22his mediocrity, it's that trigger that snaps him into

0:16:22 > 0:16:23doing something about it.

0:16:29 > 0:16:32Good evening. After a weekend of doubt and uncertainty,

0:16:32 > 0:16:35Mr Heath has handed in his resignation to the Queen.

0:16:37 > 0:16:39# We've got five years

0:16:39 > 0:16:42# Stuck on my eyes

0:16:42 > 0:16:44# Five years

0:16:44 > 0:16:47# What a surprise

0:16:47 > 0:16:48# Five years... #

0:16:48 > 0:16:52I wanted to look at the Houses of Parliament under the most strain

0:16:52 > 0:16:55it's ever been under in the history of modern Britain.

0:16:55 > 0:16:59That was absolutely the Parliament of 1974-79.

0:16:59 > 0:17:02It was a government with not enough people to pass its laws,

0:17:02 > 0:17:07it was a country in absolute turmoil economically, socially, politically.

0:17:07 > 0:17:09# Five years... #

0:17:09 > 0:17:13For me, politics was never something that was alienating or strange.

0:17:13 > 0:17:16I think if you're going to lock people in a room for two hours

0:17:16 > 0:17:19and talk to them, then it has to be important.

0:17:19 > 0:17:22I feel like you've got to leave having talked about stuff

0:17:22 > 0:17:25and having engaged with things that are important.

0:17:26 > 0:17:28Political issues do that.

0:17:28 > 0:17:30THEY SHOUT

0:17:30 > 0:17:33The default position of younger writers is that maybe

0:17:33 > 0:17:37we don't have the right or the tools to write these big political plays

0:17:37 > 0:17:41and that we should just write small plays about our own staff.

0:17:41 > 0:17:44I've never believed that is true.

0:17:44 > 0:17:47I don't know if any of you lot have read a newspaper this week

0:17:47 > 0:17:50but apparently we, the Labour Party, are now in power.

0:17:50 > 0:17:53CHEERING

0:17:53 > 0:17:54One big problem.

0:17:54 > 0:17:57It's a mathematical problem and one we definitely have to balance.

0:17:59 > 0:18:05301, us, Tories, 297. Then we have the odds and sods.

0:18:06 > 0:18:11Excellent. Great. Yeah, that's good. Just a little. Yeah.

0:18:11 > 0:18:13The play is focused on the two whips' offices.

0:18:13 > 0:18:16The Government whips' office and the Opposition whips' office.

0:18:16 > 0:18:18They are the unsung heroes

0:18:18 > 0:18:21of parliamentary procedure - they make it happen.

0:18:21 > 0:18:24There's only three in it.

0:18:24 > 0:18:27Block some of their big stuff and call a confidence vote.

0:18:27 > 0:18:28How do we block them?

0:18:28 > 0:18:31Our lot will be bored and demoralised.

0:18:31 > 0:18:34It's going to take all we've got to keep them coming in for votes

0:18:34 > 0:18:35all the time.

0:18:35 > 0:18:37The other side seemed to have successfully seduced

0:18:37 > 0:18:39the odds and sods.

0:18:39 > 0:18:40I wanted to forget Downing Street,

0:18:40 > 0:18:42to forget Whitehall,

0:18:42 > 0:18:44forget anywhere where the decisions were made

0:18:44 > 0:18:46and look at the engine room.

0:18:46 > 0:18:48When you have a hung Parliament,

0:18:48 > 0:18:53when you don't have enough members to pass your laws.

0:18:53 > 0:18:56Suddenly everything becomes focused on the Whips' office.

0:18:56 > 0:19:00They're the guys who literally have to get that law onto the statute

0:19:00 > 0:19:05books and so the whips become the most important people in politics.

0:19:08 > 0:19:11When I came into Parliament at the end of the '80s, it was

0:19:11 > 0:19:16very similar to the play and in particular, the Whips' Office

0:19:16 > 0:19:22was a whole world on its own, a kind of independent barony.

0:19:22 > 0:19:27Parliament is like a theatre and the Whips' Office

0:19:27 > 0:19:31was almost like a theatre within a theatre.

0:19:31 > 0:19:34Try to act like honourable members of the House

0:19:34 > 0:19:36and not football hooligans!

0:19:36 > 0:19:37The political culture

0:19:37 > 0:19:42when I first came into Parliament was very masculine, very male.

0:19:42 > 0:19:48People were much less concerned about how they looked,

0:19:48 > 0:19:53because of course, Parliament wasn't televised in those days.

0:19:53 > 0:19:56There was a hard-drinking political culture

0:19:56 > 0:19:59and it was the opposite of politically correct.

0:19:59 > 0:20:04- Just don't feel you have to tone it down.- Sod that! Bird in the office - we'll be cranking it up!

0:20:04 > 0:20:08Do you like football?

0:20:08 > 0:20:13# The love that asks no questions

0:20:13 > 0:20:18# The love that stands the test of time. #

0:20:18 > 0:20:20I didn't know a huge amount about the 1970s.

0:20:20 > 0:20:24I was born in 1982, so I wasn't alive.

0:20:24 > 0:20:28I really loved going and speaking to Members of Parliament at the time,

0:20:28 > 0:20:30diving into archives, papers -

0:20:30 > 0:20:35thousands and thousands of books and um, just speaking to people that were around at the time.

0:20:35 > 0:20:38For me, that's the fun part of doing a political play.

0:20:38 > 0:20:42Tories, we need a little bit more reaction to the vote.

0:20:42 > 0:20:45This is a crucial loss for the Government, isn't it?

0:20:45 > 0:20:47What's wonderful is that every time we came up with

0:20:47 > 0:20:50a sort of dramatic problem that we found hard to solve, you know,

0:20:50 > 0:20:52just a bit of research

0:20:52 > 0:20:55and look at history would provide a really entertaining answer,

0:20:55 > 0:20:59because the reality is just far more interesting that anything

0:20:59 > 0:21:01anyone could make up.

0:21:01 > 0:21:03# Time takes a cigarette. #

0:21:03 > 0:21:06Well, I'm afraid we now think he must be dead.

0:21:08 > 0:21:10For example, John Stonehouse,

0:21:10 > 0:21:14when the Government's just about got enough of a majority to start

0:21:14 > 0:21:17passing laws, he fakes his own death

0:21:17 > 0:21:22and throws himself allegedly into a sea off Miami beach.

0:21:22 > 0:21:27MUSIC: 'Rock 'n' Roll Suicide' by DAVID BOWIE

0:21:32 > 0:21:35And then you have stories like Jeremy Thorpe,

0:21:35 > 0:21:38the leader of the Liberal Party, who was accused of attempted murder,

0:21:38 > 0:21:43cleared of all charges, it has to be said but he was accused of murdering his male lover.

0:21:43 > 0:21:46I look at it and go, "God, how am I going to fit that into this?

0:21:46 > 0:21:48That's one story of 25."

0:21:48 > 0:21:53CLAMOURING

0:21:53 > 0:21:56We are now in session.

0:22:20 > 0:22:23Sorry to interrupt. I'd like to do the Croft. Thank you.

0:22:30 > 0:22:36INAUDIBLE

0:22:37 > 0:22:42- You know one of those devices that holds the chest open?- What...yeah.

0:22:42 > 0:22:47- What they called? - Chest spreader.- Chest...?- Spreader.

0:22:47 > 0:22:51- Chest spreader. OK.- A set of those. - Yeah, one of those from 1816, please.

0:22:55 > 0:23:00What is extraordinary about working on it is that you realise it's timeless -

0:23:00 > 0:23:02it will be here a long time after we're all gone

0:23:02 > 0:23:05because it swims into focus, depending on different issues,

0:23:05 > 0:23:09either in a very specific way like genetics or cloning,

0:23:09 > 0:23:12or in a very, very general way, really, about, you know,

0:23:12 > 0:23:15what man is capable of and what are the repercussions of that.

0:23:15 > 0:23:19There's little time to explain. The simple fact is, I built a man.

0:23:22 > 0:23:26- You did what?- I built a man and succeeded in animating him.

0:23:26 > 0:23:29- You mean bringing him to life?- Yes! Yes, bringing him to life. My...

0:23:29 > 0:23:31My creature. I brought him to life.

0:23:40 > 0:23:44I think Mary Shelley was writing - almost without appreciating it -

0:23:44 > 0:23:46a sort of creation myth for the science age.

0:23:46 > 0:23:49In many cultures, there are creation myths,

0:23:49 > 0:23:51but they always involve a deity, a cosmic power.

0:23:51 > 0:23:55Something sets the spark of life in motion and we humans come to life.

0:23:55 > 0:23:58But for the first time, Mary Shelley comes up with a creation myth

0:23:58 > 0:24:01which doesn't involve a deity, doesn't involve a cosmic power,

0:24:01 > 0:24:04it involves solely the skills of humankind.

0:24:04 > 0:24:06And that's why I think it stays with us now,

0:24:06 > 0:24:10because God doesn't play a very big part in our rationalisation

0:24:10 > 0:24:13about the world we live in and what we're going to do with it

0:24:13 > 0:24:17and the extent to which we're destroying it as we patently are.

0:24:18 > 0:24:21Mary Shelley's a very literate, highly educated

0:24:21 > 0:24:25young 18-19-year-old woman when she comes to it and the book is stuffed

0:24:25 > 0:24:29full of ideas which seem to me to remain very pertinent to us now.

0:24:30 > 0:24:33How does it feel to be in love?

0:24:33 > 0:24:38It...it...it...feels like all the life is...

0:24:38 > 0:24:42bubbling up inside me and spinning from my mouth.

0:24:42 > 0:24:46It feels like my lungs are on fire and my heart is a hammer!

0:24:46 > 0:24:50It feels like I can do anything in the world!

0:24:51 > 0:24:54The most important thing about the production, hopefully,

0:24:54 > 0:24:56is that it gives the creature a voice

0:24:56 > 0:24:58and I think a lot of people coming to it won't know the novel

0:24:58 > 0:25:01but they will know the movies, which robs him of his voice, really.

0:25:01 > 0:25:05The movies just waded in there and robbed him of his voice

0:25:05 > 0:25:08straightaway and yet that is the most extraordinary thing

0:25:08 > 0:25:13and so Nick's approach was to begin with the point of view of the creature.

0:25:13 > 0:25:18Arms flickering around, a bit of legs and then finding...

0:25:18 > 0:25:22What we've tried to do is begin with a being fresh from birth

0:25:22 > 0:25:23with no language.

0:25:23 > 0:25:28We see him acquire language, we see him acquire intellect and then

0:25:28 > 0:25:31by the end of the play, we allow him a very high level of articulacy

0:25:31 > 0:25:35and that was...really was one of the reasons that we wanted to do it,

0:25:35 > 0:25:39was because we'd never seen this creature given a voice,

0:25:39 > 0:25:42both to justify himself and to question his creator and say,

0:25:42 > 0:25:44"Why did you do this?"

0:25:45 > 0:25:48You abandoned me.

0:25:51 > 0:25:56- It speaks.- Yes. Frankenstein.

0:25:56 > 0:25:59- It speaks!- You know my name.

0:25:59 > 0:26:04That's the fantastic thing about this story is the relationship

0:26:04 > 0:26:08between father and son, master and slave, creature and creator.

0:26:11 > 0:26:15What's fascinating is seeing something come alive

0:26:15 > 0:26:21that's in a 30-year-old form and have to re-educate itself.

0:26:21 > 0:26:23I looked at stroke victims in recovery,

0:26:23 > 0:26:26I looked at people who'd had severe injuries both in wars or car

0:26:26 > 0:26:30crashes trying to re-educate their limbs and their bodies

0:26:30 > 0:26:33and when you see that happening, the amount of vulnerability.

0:26:34 > 0:26:36It gets tired. Yes. It gets tired.

0:26:36 > 0:26:41It's a very endearing thing to watch evolve. You really care for him.

0:26:42 > 0:26:48- You know, there's a lot of my two-year-old in the way...- Yes. Buster's been a big influence.

0:26:48 > 0:26:50..you know, that the creature...

0:26:50 > 0:26:52You know, it's...

0:26:52 > 0:26:56It's a blank canvas as a body but the brain works extremely fast.

0:26:56 > 0:26:59It's a fully grown brain so it's absorbing everything super quick.

0:26:59 > 0:27:01All the learning comes really quickly.

0:27:01 > 0:27:04- It's alive.- It's alive.- It's alive!

0:27:04 > 0:27:09Frankenstein eventually became the archetype of the mad scientist

0:27:09 > 0:27:12and what happens when science overreaches itself

0:27:12 > 0:27:16but what's interesting in the story of Frankenstein is that this

0:27:16 > 0:27:21becomes applied to the idea of creating people.

0:27:21 > 0:27:23And in some ways, that's something that could be

0:27:23 > 0:27:26seen as the ultimate unnatural act and it raises all sorts

0:27:26 > 0:27:30of quite specific questions about the status of the created

0:27:30 > 0:27:35being - whether or not, for example, Frankenstein's creature has a soul

0:27:35 > 0:27:36and what that means.

0:27:39 > 0:27:42God doesn't really figure in Frankenstein.

0:27:42 > 0:27:45The human creates life

0:27:45 > 0:27:47and I think that's one of the reasons why it has

0:27:47 > 0:27:50so much relevance for us now, because we look at the world

0:27:50 > 0:27:54and we see what we've done to it, and we're worried and that's

0:27:54 > 0:27:58very much the position that Victor Frankenstein, the scientist, is in.