0:00:11 > 0:00:17Many years ago, when I was working down south, me mum said to me
0:00:17 > 0:00:23that she had a dream that one day she'd foresee me driving a tram.
0:00:23 > 0:00:30I said, "No way. I'll never be driving a tram. Got no foreseeable future in that."
0:00:36 > 0:00:42And here I am, driving a tram. Which is quite unusual, really.
0:00:56 > 0:01:00Blackpool is still Britain's most popular resort.
0:01:00 > 0:01:0617 million people a year indulge in the delights of its Golden Mile, 3 piers and famous tower
0:01:06 > 0:01:09monuments to another age.
0:01:09 > 0:01:12Blackpool's motto is "Progress".
0:01:12 > 0:01:16100 years ago, the town was a pioneer in the leisure industry,
0:01:16 > 0:01:22creating dramatic attractions with structural steel and electricity.
0:01:21 > 0:01:29By combining these two, Blackpool created an electric tramway, once the talk of the town.
0:01:29 > 0:01:36They were very beautiful and exciting to ride in because they were so very comfortable.
0:01:36 > 0:01:39They rode like a light railway.
0:01:39 > 0:01:44Everybody's got very happy memories of trams, especially older people.
0:01:44 > 0:01:47Not one person has a sad memory.
0:01:47 > 0:01:54It's things you enjoyed. They met boyfriends or girlfriends on the trams.
0:01:54 > 0:01:57One got engaged on a tram.
0:01:57 > 0:02:01Everybody's got very, very happy memories.
0:02:05 > 0:02:10It's part of our history. It's Blackpool, it's trams.
0:02:10 > 0:02:17The main attraction isn't the illuminations, but the trams. Everybody wants to ride on a tram.
0:02:17 > 0:02:20Trams are a necessity.
0:02:20 > 0:02:26Not a dinosaur. People keep things going which are no good to anybody.
0:02:26 > 0:02:29Trams need to be used all the time.
0:02:29 > 0:02:32Blackpool still has 75 of them.
0:02:32 > 0:02:37As his mother predicted, Steve Cann is one of their regular drivers.
0:02:37 > 0:02:41- Take 713.- Right. - Go to the Tower.- Tower.
0:02:41 > 0:02:47If you've got a good crew we have two conductors on double-deck trams
0:02:47 > 0:02:49it can really make a good day.
0:02:49 > 0:02:55If they're fast with the bell, it makes my job a lot easier.
0:02:55 > 0:03:00They have a laugh and a joke with the customers.
0:03:00 > 0:03:05I have a laugh with them. We all get on great. Really well.
0:03:05 > 0:03:11If you have a bad crew, it can make a really bad day, a long day.
0:03:11 > 0:03:14If you've got miserable ones. And there's plenty of them around.
0:03:20 > 0:03:23We used to have this well-known character called Ronnie Crossley.
0:03:23 > 0:03:30On the Fleetwood tram, he had his coffee-pot and shaving equipment.
0:03:30 > 0:03:35He had a shave, going to Fleetwood. And his coffee.
0:03:35 > 0:03:39We miss people like that. Characters.
0:03:39 > 0:03:42There's not many of them left.
0:03:51 > 0:03:56You have this... How can I put it? A relationship with trams.
0:03:56 > 0:04:01There's character in the trams. On the buses, there's no character.
0:04:01 > 0:04:05On here, it's a completely different world.
0:04:05 > 0:04:09A world close in spirit to the railway.
0:04:09 > 0:04:14A world of traditions, things built to last.
0:04:14 > 0:04:19A complex network of rails, poles, wires,
0:04:19 > 0:04:27and all the other costly hardware needed to provide the service that only trams can give.
0:04:27 > 0:04:32One thing every tourist in Blackpool knows
0:04:32 > 0:04:39is that if you stand waiting for a tram, a tram will come along.
0:04:39 > 0:04:44Waiting for a bus, you're not sure if you're part of a working system.
0:04:44 > 0:04:50With the tramway, you can be sure the vehicles will come along.
0:04:51 > 0:04:54On the bus side, it's different.
0:04:54 > 0:05:02It's all plastic, metal. There's no wood, there's no teak. There's no character in them at all.
0:05:02 > 0:05:04They won't last half the time
0:05:04 > 0:05:07as what these old Balloons'll last.
0:05:07 > 0:05:14With the old trams, it's the smell, the noise. It's completely different.
0:05:18 > 0:05:21The locals call Blackpool's double-deckers "Balloons".
0:05:21 > 0:05:27When fully inflated, they carry 100 passengers and keep both conductors busy.
0:05:28 > 0:05:31They were designed in 1934.
0:05:31 > 0:05:36In 50 years of service, they have outlived six generations of buses.
0:05:36 > 0:05:39But immortality has its drawbacks.
0:05:39 > 0:05:45What we don't like about trams is, for the driver, they're uncomfortable.
0:05:45 > 0:05:48They're difficult to see out of.
0:05:48 > 0:05:52Windscreen wipers aren't up to it.
0:05:52 > 0:05:56There's no windscreen washers. That makes it even worse.
0:05:56 > 0:06:00We get lots of wind and rain and salt off the sea.
0:06:03 > 0:06:08Passenger trams date back to the mid-19th century.
0:06:08 > 0:06:13Riding on smooth rails, trams were less bumpy than other transport,
0:06:13 > 0:06:16but horsepower limited their speed.
0:06:16 > 0:06:19The breakthrough came in 1885,
0:06:19 > 0:06:24when the first electric tramway opened on Blackpool Promenade.
0:06:24 > 0:06:31Open-top trams took power from a rail in a trough between the tracks,
0:06:31 > 0:06:34but this quickly filled with sand.
0:06:34 > 0:06:40In 1899, an overhead wire system was introduced. It became standard.
0:06:40 > 0:06:45The earliest tram I remember was the Dreadnought,
0:06:45 > 0:06:48which I rode quite a lot as a child.
0:06:48 > 0:06:52My mother had a very cheery mongrel.
0:06:52 > 0:06:55A Yorkshire terrier type, I think he was.
0:06:55 > 0:07:02He had a habit of jumping on the Dreadnought, riding up to Talbot Square,
0:07:02 > 0:07:07having a look round, and coming back on another Dreadnought on his own.
0:07:07 > 0:07:12The conductors knew him. They didn't charge him.
0:07:12 > 0:07:18Doris Thompson's family started Blackpool's Pleasure Beach in 1890.
0:07:18 > 0:07:23My father had been in America. He was interested in amusement parks,
0:07:23 > 0:07:26which were then becoming popular.
0:07:26 > 0:07:30He decided to come back and start one here.
0:07:30 > 0:07:35He had his eyes on Blackpool. It was an up-and-coming place.
0:07:35 > 0:07:39Of course, he realised the potential,
0:07:39 > 0:07:44with the heavy industry round about, and the mills.
0:07:44 > 0:07:49They took their holidays at different times.
0:07:49 > 0:07:55And they all came to Blackpool. You had a continuous stream of people.
0:07:55 > 0:07:58So he decided this was the place.
0:07:58 > 0:08:02And they all came by electric tramcar.
0:08:02 > 0:08:07The beauty of the system was its simplicity.
0:08:07 > 0:08:12Electric current, picked up from an overhead wire,
0:08:12 > 0:08:18passed down through a controller to motors, and out via the rails.
0:08:18 > 0:08:22No clutch, gearbox, fuel or exhaust.
0:08:22 > 0:08:26Perfect road transport. Soon everybody copied it.
0:08:26 > 0:08:33By 1927, there were 14,000 trams in Britain, giving mobility to the masses.
0:08:33 > 0:08:41Fares were low. People could afford to ride to work, no longer tied to living near the factory.
0:08:41 > 0:08:46Towns grew and spread as suburbs developed along the tram-routes.
0:08:46 > 0:08:51Blackpool's system expanded inland to serve the town,
0:08:51 > 0:08:54and north to the port of Fleetwood.
0:08:54 > 0:08:58It was a marvellous way of getting around.
0:08:58 > 0:09:03And I rode them regularly. So did everybody.
0:09:03 > 0:09:09We didn't have cars then. We hadn't a car until after the First World War.
0:09:09 > 0:09:15But even after the War, motoring was still for the better-off.
0:09:15 > 0:09:19With no competition, trams weren't modernised.
0:09:19 > 0:09:25Conditions were basic. Open ends were draughty. Springs were hard.
0:09:25 > 0:09:33But they were cheap, and as mass movers of people they seemed unbeatable.
0:09:36 > 0:09:39By the '30s, there was competition.
0:09:39 > 0:09:42Motor cars were getting cheaper.
0:09:42 > 0:09:50Buses were developing, with pneumatic tyres, enclosed bodies and upholstered seats.
0:09:50 > 0:09:54They overtook the trams in popularity.
0:09:54 > 0:10:01Buses needed no special track to run on. Soon they were replacing entire tramway systems.
0:10:01 > 0:10:06In 1933, Blackpool appointed a new general manager, Walter Luff.
0:10:06 > 0:10:13He persuaded Mac Marshall of the English Electric Company to rush through a new design.
0:10:13 > 0:10:21The result was the railcoach, a revolutionary machine with all the comforts of a motorcoach.
0:10:21 > 0:10:30It was unveiled in Blackpool at a conference of transport managers in 1933.
0:10:30 > 0:10:35The transport managers included Alfred Baker of Birmingham.
0:10:35 > 0:10:39He said, "Sorry, Mac. It's 20 years too late."
0:10:39 > 0:10:43Everywhere, tramways were beginning to be abandoned.
0:10:43 > 0:10:46By 1933, 66 systems had been closed.
0:10:46 > 0:10:51Plans for closure in Birmingham, London and Manchester were in hand.
0:10:51 > 0:10:56But Luff got Blackpool Corporation to order a large fleet
0:10:56 > 0:10:59of the new designs, including the Balloon
0:10:59 > 0:11:06a double-deck railcoach, in which 100 passengers could ride in comfort.
0:11:06 > 0:11:09When the new trams were delivered,
0:11:09 > 0:11:16they made an impact on visitors, because nobody had seen a tram like this.
0:11:16 > 0:11:22Traditional trams were iron-clad, curved staircase vehicles,
0:11:22 > 0:11:25which were not pleasant to ride on.
0:11:28 > 0:11:35But when they came on a Blackpool tram, they found it was so luxurious
0:11:35 > 0:11:40they were tempted to wipe their feet and remove their hats.
0:11:40 > 0:11:45People were so enraptured by the sight of these trams
0:11:45 > 0:11:49that they used to let the old cars go past and wait for a new one to come.
0:11:54 > 0:11:58Walter Luff had given Blackpool the best fleet of trams in Britain,
0:11:58 > 0:12:00but most towns were less fortunate.
0:12:02 > 0:12:07Everywhere, the rails were being torn up or buried under tarmac.
0:12:07 > 0:12:13Confirmation that trams were really on the way out came in 1952.
0:12:16 > 0:12:21'One day, not long ago, London had to say goodbye to her last tram.
0:12:21 > 0:12:24'Sometime, some day, it had to come.
0:12:24 > 0:12:30'Some were glad to see the back of them. Some of us were sorry.
0:12:30 > 0:12:33'We'd be missing a friendly sight,
0:12:33 > 0:12:36'though not a silent one.
0:12:38 > 0:12:43'One last week to clatter through the streets
0:12:43 > 0:12:49'streets that'll never be the same now the tram has gone.'
0:12:49 > 0:12:53After this, it was downhill all the way.
0:12:53 > 0:12:58By the 1960s, the bus was in almost total control.
0:12:58 > 0:13:04Trams were confined to Blackpool and Glasgow. But not for long.
0:13:04 > 0:13:09'The rail-bound tram is a great contributor to traffic congestion.'
0:13:09 > 0:13:14As more and more cars are used and parked in the streets,
0:13:14 > 0:13:17so traffic congestion increases.
0:13:17 > 0:13:22'Now we are replacing an increasing number of these tram services
0:13:22 > 0:13:26'by large-capacity double-decker buses.
0:13:26 > 0:13:32'For passengers, the bus has many advantages over the tram.
0:13:32 > 0:13:36'There are advantages for operators, too.'
0:13:45 > 0:13:48By 1962, only Blackpool was left.
0:13:48 > 0:13:52DORIS THOMPSON: I'm glad we kept ours.
0:13:52 > 0:13:57It would have been a great mistake to do away with the ones on the Promenade.
0:13:59 > 0:14:03It's nice that they were the pioneers.
0:14:03 > 0:14:07They kept them. Others let them go.
0:14:07 > 0:14:10We didn't make that mistake.
0:14:24 > 0:14:28Even here, there were cutbacks.
0:14:28 > 0:14:31The inland routes were abandoned.
0:14:31 > 0:14:36They continued the service to Fleetwood.
0:14:36 > 0:14:41But most people regarded them as just an amusement.
0:14:41 > 0:14:43Wouldn't be Blackpool without trams.
0:14:43 > 0:14:48Everybody goes on a tram when they come here.
0:14:48 > 0:14:53It's like getting a stick of rock or wearing a "Kiss Me Quick" hat.
0:14:53 > 0:14:59If it has a tram on it, people are fanatical over it. Pictures, kits.
0:14:59 > 0:15:04Anything to do with a tram, they love. That is what they're after.
0:15:04 > 0:15:07Boys come in our shop.
0:15:07 > 0:15:12They just can't wait to get a tram kit, or get on the tram.
0:15:12 > 0:15:17They tell you which tram they've been on, what it was like,
0:15:17 > 0:15:21how it had wooden doors. They love it all.
0:15:26 > 0:15:29Fares, please.
0:15:29 > 0:15:34INDISTINCT
0:15:38 > 0:15:43Not any more. I used to do, when I were young.
0:15:51 > 0:15:54Come on, love. Get off.
0:15:54 > 0:15:57See you, now. Don't come back(!)
0:16:13 > 0:16:17We were the first town in the whole world with electric tramcars,
0:16:17 > 0:16:20and we're the last one in England to still have them.
0:16:20 > 0:16:26Environmentally, they're very good. They don't pollute the atmosphere.
0:16:26 > 0:16:29The reason that we did have tramcars
0:16:29 > 0:16:33was it enabled the town to grow so fast.
0:16:35 > 0:16:40The tramway system is clearly Blackpool's overground underground.
0:16:40 > 0:16:42It moves vast numbers of people.
0:16:42 > 0:16:47In fact, six million people travelled by tram last year.
0:16:47 > 0:16:52It's a place that devotes itself into making people feel at home,
0:16:52 > 0:16:55giving people a good time.
0:16:55 > 0:16:58It's a place that was built for fun.
0:16:58 > 0:17:04The tramway system has emerged as possibly the greatest fun ride in England.
0:17:16 > 0:17:18They're a bit of moving architecture.
0:17:18 > 0:17:23The fact that they rattle along and they're old
0:17:23 > 0:17:27means that they're not just transport,
0:17:27 > 0:17:30they've got romance about them.
0:17:30 > 0:17:34Operators should charge extra to go on historic trams.
0:17:34 > 0:17:37I'd like more old trams brought back.
0:17:37 > 0:17:43When I ran the Civic Trust, we suggested they bought historic trams
0:17:43 > 0:17:46from Argentina, Budapest, Moscow.
0:17:46 > 0:17:50We'd have a living, working tram museum,
0:17:50 > 0:17:54to give people a sense of adventure and fun.
0:17:54 > 0:17:57We're not a museum system.
0:17:57 > 0:18:02We're a transport operator which happens to use old vehicles.
0:18:02 > 0:18:05Our role is in public transport.
0:18:05 > 0:18:10There are different markets, some of which conflict with each other.
0:18:10 > 0:18:15You've got locals who use the tram all year round and travel each day.
0:18:15 > 0:18:20You've got tourists who want to go to a particular place.
0:18:20 > 0:18:23And you've got others just going for a ride.
0:18:23 > 0:18:28Blackpool is the only open tram-track there is in Britain.
0:18:28 > 0:18:31People come here on holiday
0:18:31 > 0:18:34and don't realise trams are there.
0:18:34 > 0:18:40If they hear a tram, they don't think it's a tram coming towards them.
0:18:40 > 0:18:43They tend to get in the way a lot.
0:18:43 > 0:18:46So we have to be on our toes.
0:18:46 > 0:18:53I think if people realised that driving the trams is very difficult...
0:18:53 > 0:18:56They think they can just stop on a sixpence. They can't.
0:18:56 > 0:18:59It does take time for a tram to stop, like a train.
0:19:04 > 0:19:08One casualty was Coronation Street villain Alan Bradley,
0:19:08 > 0:19:11who chased Rita Fairclough to Blackpool.
0:19:11 > 0:19:16'Rita was walking along in a semi-trance. She didn't see him.'
0:19:16 > 0:19:18Get in the car!
0:19:18 > 0:19:23He approached her and bundled her into the car.
0:19:23 > 0:19:26She fought him and escaped.
0:19:26 > 0:19:29Come back, you stupid bitch!
0:19:29 > 0:19:32'She ran across the Promenade.
0:19:32 > 0:19:35'A tram just missed her...
0:19:35 > 0:19:41'and unfortunately hit Alan as he crossed in front of it.'
0:19:41 > 0:19:47It goes to show that you should be aware of trams. They are dangerous.
0:19:47 > 0:19:52At first, we weren't pleased, because of safety.
0:19:52 > 0:19:56But Granada said they'd make it "a nice death".
0:19:56 > 0:20:02People wrote in saying, "Can we ride on the Alan Bradley death tram?"
0:20:02 > 0:20:05I don't know if that's healthy.
0:20:05 > 0:20:09Healthy for business, perhaps, but hardly fair to trams.
0:20:09 > 0:20:14In fact, Alan was eight times more likely to have been hit by a car.
0:20:14 > 0:20:19The Blackpool Transport workshop keeps trams going.
0:20:19 > 0:20:22Britain may have invented the tram,
0:20:22 > 0:20:26but tram engineering is an almost forgotten art in this country.
0:20:26 > 0:20:30So Blackpool must do all the work.
0:20:30 > 0:20:35Even rebuilding the trucks that contain the body and motors.
0:20:35 > 0:20:41When the trucks enter the workshop, they are absolutely filthy.
0:20:41 > 0:20:43We have them steam-cleaned.
0:20:43 > 0:20:47They're brought in, stripped right down.
0:20:47 > 0:20:53All the nuts, bolts, bushes, pins are taken off and discarded
0:20:53 > 0:20:55if they're too bad to be re-used.
0:20:55 > 0:21:02The motor is taken across to the electricians to be checked over.
0:21:02 > 0:21:09And tyres... The old tyres will be burnt off and new tyres refitted.
0:21:09 > 0:21:13Steel tyres can last 150,000 miles.
0:21:15 > 0:21:20Each tram has eight of them to be replaced.
0:21:20 > 0:21:23It's not like a car factory,
0:21:23 > 0:21:27where every day you put a wheel onto the same position.
0:21:27 > 0:21:34Here, you know more or less what you'll be doing, but it's varied.
0:21:34 > 0:21:37We've got to improvise a lot.
0:21:37 > 0:21:44We've got to save a lot of parts that we take from other trams that we are renovating.
0:21:44 > 0:21:49Sometimes we have to rob Peter to pay Paul.
0:21:49 > 0:21:54Most spares are out of stock. When 50-year-old parts break,
0:21:54 > 0:21:58the skills of the blacksmith are in demand.
0:21:58 > 0:22:00The blacksmiths... Many years ago,
0:22:00 > 0:22:05we used to have five. We're down to one now.
0:22:05 > 0:22:09They are very hard to obtain.
0:22:09 > 0:22:15He's very versatile. He's knocking bushes out of a set of bogey trucks,
0:22:15 > 0:22:21he's bending steel tubing to make new pantographs with,
0:22:21 > 0:22:24he's assembling the pantographs.
0:22:24 > 0:22:27He's very, very versatile.
0:22:30 > 0:22:35I think, in the '30s, this really was a revolutionary design.
0:22:35 > 0:22:41A streamlined look, typical of the '30s, comes across in the vehicles.
0:22:41 > 0:22:46The livery changes. Sometimes it accentuates the streamlining.
0:22:46 > 0:22:52Sometimes it plays it down. Ideas about the look of vehicles change.
0:22:52 > 0:22:58Although you bring in adaptations and improvements as you go along,
0:22:58 > 0:23:03you're still working with something that's getting older.
0:23:05 > 0:23:09Purists may say that we're altering the basic character.
0:23:09 > 0:23:12The average man won't notice that character.
0:23:12 > 0:23:15The person travelling on our trams
0:23:15 > 0:23:19is looking for transport from where he is to where he wants to go.
0:23:20 > 0:23:25For local people on Tuesdays that means Fleetwood market.
0:23:25 > 0:23:30This is not just a fun ride, it's a link between town centres,
0:23:30 > 0:23:35going through Bispham and Cleveleys before reaching its destination.
0:23:35 > 0:23:41It defies the laws of town planning and the lessons of history
0:23:41 > 0:23:47by taking to the streets, as trams and traffic battle it out for road space.
0:23:47 > 0:23:50Now the rules of engagement are changing.
0:23:50 > 0:23:53The love affair with the car may be waning.
0:23:53 > 0:23:59Traffic jams, pollution and fuel costs are tarnishing its image.
0:23:59 > 0:24:02The once despised tram may yet win.
0:24:02 > 0:24:07For it can escape from the streets to be more like a railway train.
0:24:07 > 0:24:12Unhindered by traffic and taking priority at road crossings,
0:24:12 > 0:24:18it still demonstrates its ability to beat the bus and the car.
0:24:18 > 0:24:23We're on the edge of an important revolution in public transport,
0:24:23 > 0:24:25and not just in light rail.
0:24:25 > 0:24:32It's a revolution which needs commitment from politicians and the public.
0:24:32 > 0:24:35We need a culture which says,
0:24:35 > 0:24:41"I'll go by car when I have to, but I'll go by bus or tram when I can."
0:24:41 > 0:24:46Light rail's going to be a very important part of that change.
0:24:46 > 0:24:50The way that traffic congestion is developing,
0:24:50 > 0:24:53we can't carry on building roads.
0:24:53 > 0:24:56We need new ways of doing it.
0:24:56 > 0:25:00Transport planners are looking at trams.
0:25:00 > 0:25:04They call them metro, light rail, light rapid transit.
0:25:04 > 0:25:08It's the same idea. One city did more than look.
0:25:08 > 0:25:1440 years after scrapping its trams, Manchester is bringing them back.
0:25:14 > 0:25:19Metrolink is the first of Britain's new generation of tramways.
0:25:19 > 0:25:25When trams obstructed the traffic, we threw them off the streets.
0:25:25 > 0:25:27Now streets are closed to cars,
0:25:27 > 0:25:32while modern supertrams avenge the ghosts of their ancestors.
0:25:32 > 0:25:39More than 40 towns are rediscovering the tram. Blackpool is ahead of the field.
0:25:39 > 0:25:43We are stewards of a business passed on from people
0:25:43 > 0:25:46who were deciding in the '30s
0:25:46 > 0:25:49about the design of a tram network.
0:25:49 > 0:25:51Many people have questioned it.
0:25:51 > 0:25:56Every ten years, somebody says, "Did we do the right thing?
0:25:56 > 0:26:00"Did Walter Luff make the right choices?"
0:26:00 > 0:26:06But many of the decisions he made have been proved to be right.
0:26:06 > 0:26:11It's very interesting that here we are in the '90s now,
0:26:11 > 0:26:16and these 60-year-old vehicles are still operating today,
0:26:16 > 0:26:20long after vehicles which were set to replace them
0:26:20 > 0:26:23have gone to the scrap-yard.
0:26:27 > 0:26:33The Town Council has had this long love affair with electricity,
0:26:33 > 0:26:38ever since the first street-lighting system, the first tramway system.
0:26:38 > 0:26:41The town's motto is "Progress".
0:26:41 > 0:26:44And this affection for electricity
0:26:44 > 0:26:49has led to a tremendous growth in Blackpool.
0:27:00 > 0:27:02We've hit problems recently.
0:27:02 > 0:27:07When you are one of the first people to be inventive
0:27:07 > 0:27:09and bring out electricity,
0:27:09 > 0:27:12you have an ageing infrastructure.
0:27:12 > 0:27:17The Council is now faced with a bill of £6 million
0:27:17 > 0:27:22to relay cabling for the tramway and illumination systems.
0:27:22 > 0:27:28The original cabling was laid almost 100 years ago. It's pretty shot at.
0:27:28 > 0:27:33What do we do? Do we go in for a diesel tram or an electric tram?
0:27:33 > 0:27:37I'm happy to say that the Council has said,
0:27:37 > 0:27:42"Look, we're going to have electricity or nothing at all."
0:27:56 > 0:28:01Everybody looked upon Blackpool as a joke because we still had trams.
0:28:01 > 0:28:04Now it seems to be all coming back.
0:28:06 > 0:28:09People used to look upon us as the only tramway in Britain.
0:28:09 > 0:28:12Now we're not very happy about it
0:28:12 > 0:28:16because Manchester and Sheffield's are getting theirs.
0:28:16 > 0:28:19But we're ahead of everyone.
0:28:19 > 0:28:23We was there first and we're still there. That's the main thing.
0:28:45 > 0:28:50Subtitles by John Macdonald BBC Scotland 1992