0:00:44 > 0:00:46Is there a heaven?
0:00:46 > 0:00:47Yes, I think so.
0:00:47 > 0:00:51And, erm, I think it must be just the right climate
0:00:51 > 0:00:53with, erm, lots of tall trees.
0:00:53 > 0:00:57And I don't think it's the same colour. It would be very nice there.
0:00:57 > 0:00:58And I don't think the people are solid,
0:00:58 > 0:01:02I think they are kind of transparent and they live in lots of, erm...
0:01:03 > 0:01:07..er, colourful houses with no servants,
0:01:07 > 0:01:09just because they're self dependent.
0:01:10 > 0:01:15I think that there's no such place as heaven or hell because,
0:01:15 > 0:01:20erm, if there was, why...? Why don't we see souls, as they say,
0:01:20 > 0:01:22rising up to heaven or hell?
0:01:22 > 0:01:25Because if you're good, people say you go to heaven.
0:01:25 > 0:01:27If you're bad, you go to hell.
0:01:27 > 0:01:29But I don't think if you can...
0:01:30 > 0:01:35Well, I agree with her because if they say God is all around us,
0:01:35 > 0:01:39with all of these satellites and rockets going up above in the air,
0:01:39 > 0:01:42they would have to go through them, or something like that.
0:01:42 > 0:01:45So, I don't really believe there is a heaven or a hell.
0:01:45 > 0:01:48My favourite Bible story is Noah's Ark.
0:01:48 > 0:01:50Can you tell me about it?
0:01:50 > 0:01:51- Yes.- Yes.
0:01:51 > 0:01:53What happened?
0:01:53 > 0:01:55They built, um, a big boat.
0:01:55 > 0:01:59Noah built a big boat where the animals go...
0:01:59 > 0:02:03And when all the animals got in, it started to pour with rain...
0:02:03 > 0:02:08- And the...- And it poured and poured for 40 days and 40 nights.
0:02:08 > 0:02:10And...
0:02:10 > 0:02:15What about Adam and Eve, and Noah's Ark, and walking on the water,
0:02:15 > 0:02:16Jesus walking on the water?
0:02:16 > 0:02:19I think that science still proves that wrong.
0:02:19 > 0:02:21Which one?
0:02:21 > 0:02:26Well, Adam and Eve because it says that the world started,
0:02:26 > 0:02:27I think, this is,
0:02:27 > 0:02:31and that something broke off a planet or something,
0:02:31 > 0:02:35and it cooled and there was an atmosphere formed around it
0:02:35 > 0:02:38and dust formed on the outside of it,
0:02:38 > 0:02:42and then life began out of little tiny things that can't be seen.
0:02:42 > 0:02:43And there was no Adam and Eve?
0:02:43 > 0:02:46No, I just think that was a kind of...
0:02:46 > 0:02:48fiction story, that was made up.
0:02:48 > 0:02:51But why did Noah build the ark in the first place?
0:02:51 > 0:02:52- So he can get...- Because he...
0:02:52 > 0:02:57Because he didn't want all the animals to get flooded away.
0:02:57 > 0:02:59Well, how many animals did he put on?
0:02:59 > 0:03:02Oh, I don't know.
0:03:02 > 0:03:03But I know he sent them in by twos.
0:03:03 > 0:03:05By twos?
0:03:05 > 0:03:07- Yes.- I don't know how many animals he put on.
0:03:07 > 0:03:09Why did he send the animals in by twos?
0:03:09 > 0:03:14So... Because the plank was only big enough for two.
0:03:14 > 0:03:15And the doorway.
0:03:15 > 0:03:18Do you know what God is like?
0:03:18 > 0:03:19Yes, a bit.
0:03:20 > 0:03:25Well, he has a white cloak round him
0:03:25 > 0:03:28and his shoes have two straps
0:03:28 > 0:03:31and his toes are sticking out.
0:03:31 > 0:03:34He has a beard and two hands
0:03:34 > 0:03:37and no face and two legs.
0:03:38 > 0:03:41He has no face? Why has he no face?
0:03:41 > 0:03:42Because he's a spirit.
0:03:42 > 0:03:46- And they bumped into a rock.- Yes.
0:03:46 > 0:03:50And then he sent one of the birds out to see... To see, um...
0:03:50 > 0:03:52And it came back with a leaf.
0:03:52 > 0:03:55It didn't bring a leaf back.
0:03:55 > 0:03:58- No, the first bird did bring a leaf back.- It didn't!
0:03:58 > 0:04:00It didn't. Didn't.
0:04:01 > 0:04:02Who's right?
0:04:02 > 0:04:04- I am.- No, I am.- It didn't.
0:04:04 > 0:04:07- He sends... He sent three birds out. - No, two.
0:04:07 > 0:04:09The first one didn't get anything back.
0:04:11 > 0:04:13The first one didn't bring anything back.
0:04:13 > 0:04:15I know, I've heard this story more times than you.
0:04:15 > 0:04:17I've heard it about...
0:04:17 > 0:04:1920 times at Sunday School.
0:04:19 > 0:04:22Do you two ever sing hymns?
0:04:22 > 0:04:23BOTH: Yes.
0:04:23 > 0:04:24Who do you sing them to?
0:04:24 > 0:04:26BOTH: God.
0:04:26 > 0:04:28Have you got a favourite one?
0:04:28 > 0:04:29BOTH: Yes.
0:04:29 > 0:04:31What is it?
0:04:31 > 0:04:33- Robin In The Rain.- That's a song!
0:04:33 > 0:04:36Oh, Gentle Jesus.
0:04:36 > 0:04:37Which one?
0:04:37 > 0:04:39BOTH: Gentle Jesus.
0:04:39 > 0:04:41Do you think you can sing it for us now?
0:04:41 > 0:04:43BOTH: Yes.
0:04:45 > 0:04:46Go on, then.
0:04:46 > 0:04:52# Gentle Jesus, meek and mild
0:04:52 > 0:04:57# Look upon a little child
0:04:57 > 0:05:03# Pity my simplicity
0:05:03 > 0:05:09# Suffer me to come to thee. #
0:05:09 > 0:05:10Do you think God would like that one?
0:05:10 > 0:05:12BOTH: Yes.
0:05:12 > 0:05:13The way you sing it?
0:05:13 > 0:05:14BOTH: Yes.
0:05:16 > 0:05:19Day at work starts with getting up in the morning, and you think,
0:05:19 > 0:05:24"Oh, day of work ahead of me."
0:05:24 > 0:05:25And you go in the car.
0:05:25 > 0:05:27When you get in the doors,
0:05:27 > 0:05:29you might meet somebody you know and have a chat.
0:05:30 > 0:05:33And slip your overall on and, er...
0:05:37 > 0:05:41You go in the office and have a smoke and a...
0:05:41 > 0:05:46Then, er, sign in so you have to put your cigarette out
0:05:46 > 0:05:48and start work and...
0:05:48 > 0:05:53Legs on. And about half past, 10 to 11, you, erm...
0:05:54 > 0:05:57You, have a drink of tea and a sandwich and a quick smoke
0:05:57 > 0:05:59and then you start work again.
0:05:59 > 0:06:02Should women, perhaps if they are mothers or not,
0:06:02 > 0:06:03should they go to work?
0:06:03 > 0:06:05- Yes.- No.
0:06:05 > 0:06:07- They should.- They shouldn't.
0:06:07 > 0:06:09Don't be so silly. Of course they should.
0:06:09 > 0:06:11Why should they?
0:06:11 > 0:06:14Because they got to earn a living, haven't they?
0:06:14 > 0:06:17Yes, but they've got to look after the babies
0:06:17 > 0:06:21and do the housework, and the tea, and the dinner.
0:06:21 > 0:06:23Well, they could go to a nursery.
0:06:23 > 0:06:27Yes, but sometimes little babies don't like going to the nurseries.
0:06:27 > 0:06:31I know they cry, but they've got to get used to it and you know that.
0:06:31 > 0:06:34Why do you think women should go to work?
0:06:34 > 0:06:36Because it isn't fair on the men, keep on going to work
0:06:36 > 0:06:40and bending his back and keep on getting up to these jobs.
0:06:40 > 0:06:43And he had to do all the work instead of the lady.
0:06:43 > 0:06:45She ought to go and all, and help him out.
0:06:45 > 0:06:48Don't you think she does enough work at home?
0:06:48 > 0:06:49Well, the children...
0:06:49 > 0:06:54If she's got some children about my age, she could tell them to do it.
0:06:54 > 0:06:57How much do you think it matters that you're happy in your job,
0:06:57 > 0:06:59as opposed to earning a lot of money?
0:06:59 > 0:07:04Well, if you're not happy, you don't take so much interest in it.
0:07:04 > 0:07:05And...
0:07:05 > 0:07:09You just, say if you're a postman, put the letters in the wrong doors.
0:07:10 > 0:07:13What sort of people are unhappy in their work?
0:07:13 > 0:07:18People that have to screw tops on to the tubes of toothpaste
0:07:18 > 0:07:20all day long.
0:07:20 > 0:07:21What's wrong with that?
0:07:21 > 0:07:24They get... All their arms ache and their hands ache
0:07:24 > 0:07:27and they get blisters on their fingers.
0:07:27 > 0:07:29What would you do if you got a job like that?
0:07:29 > 0:07:31I'd get another one.
0:07:33 > 0:07:35Would you ever go on strike?
0:07:35 > 0:07:40No, because if you go on strike then it means you don't like your job.
0:07:40 > 0:07:42And it's better to leave your job
0:07:42 > 0:07:45and carry on with something that you think you like.
0:07:45 > 0:07:47But if you like your job, then you don't...
0:07:47 > 0:07:50It doesn't matter about money.
0:07:50 > 0:07:53Can you tell me what a trade union is?
0:07:53 > 0:07:57Is it some sort of protection racket that they used to have?
0:07:57 > 0:08:01Erm, it's not much needed now, I don't think.
0:08:01 > 0:08:04What are strikes all about, do you think?
0:08:04 > 0:08:07Well, it's usually men...
0:08:07 > 0:08:09Well, and sometimes women.
0:08:09 > 0:08:11..that want to get paid more than they have got.
0:08:11 > 0:08:14And what they have got already is usually sufficient.
0:08:14 > 0:08:16They only want more.
0:08:16 > 0:08:17Why do you say that?
0:08:19 > 0:08:22Well, I don't really know. It's just that...
0:08:22 > 0:08:25Well, I think they shouldn't have strikes
0:08:25 > 0:08:31because it's rather like when you eat food, you always want more.
0:08:31 > 0:08:32It's being greedy.
0:08:32 > 0:08:35Who wins with these strikes, do you think?
0:08:35 > 0:08:37Most times, the management.
0:08:37 > 0:08:39Why do they?
0:08:39 > 0:08:40Well, because they've got power.
0:08:40 > 0:08:45Because they pay the money, they want the money, so they come back.
0:08:45 > 0:08:46Eventually.
0:08:46 > 0:08:48Has your dad ever been on strike?
0:08:48 > 0:08:50Yes.
0:08:50 > 0:08:51What was it like?
0:08:51 > 0:08:52Er...
0:08:54 > 0:08:57He played card games with me.
0:08:57 > 0:08:58All day?
0:08:58 > 0:09:02Not all day. He played for about ten minutes.
0:09:02 > 0:09:04Did he seem worried when he was on strike?
0:09:06 > 0:09:07Yes.
0:09:09 > 0:09:10What about?
0:09:11 > 0:09:14Because he likes getting on with his job.
0:09:14 > 0:09:16If your husband went on strike,
0:09:16 > 0:09:20how would you manage to run a house and family?
0:09:20 > 0:09:21I'd cut down on the pocket money.
0:09:23 > 0:09:24I'd cut down on the food.
0:09:26 > 0:09:30I'd just buy some beans and bread and they could have beans on toast.
0:09:31 > 0:09:35What do you think happens to people who don't do any work?
0:09:35 > 0:09:38Well, they would get weak because they don't do any exercise
0:09:38 > 0:09:41and they won't have any food to eat if they don't go to work.
0:09:41 > 0:09:43What do you think about their state of mind, though?
0:09:43 > 0:09:46What does it do to anybody who doesn't go to work?
0:09:46 > 0:09:48Hmm.
0:09:48 > 0:09:50Well, they won't have salt,
0:09:50 > 0:09:53and they can only live a little while without salt.
0:09:53 > 0:09:55- Salt?- Salt.- Yes.
0:09:55 > 0:09:58What difference does it make, though, to how much salt you've got?
0:09:58 > 0:10:03Because if you don't have salt, your brain will go all mad or something!
0:10:09 > 0:10:14Well, a rich man has usually got a top hat
0:10:14 > 0:10:19and very smart clothes with silver around it.
0:10:19 > 0:10:22Or gold. Glitter stuff.
0:10:22 > 0:10:30Or it might have buttons covered with gold or silver paper, or something.
0:10:30 > 0:10:31And a rich lady?
0:10:31 > 0:10:34She will probably have a dress like an evening dress,
0:10:34 > 0:10:39but not as long, with gold buttons or silver buttons, like the man.
0:10:39 > 0:10:44And... It might have a very pretty cord hanging down from it
0:10:44 > 0:10:48and a very pretty necklace to go with it, or something like that.
0:10:48 > 0:10:51Do they look nice, rich people?
0:10:51 > 0:10:52Yes.
0:10:52 > 0:10:57But they aren't really very nice, some of them, because they say,
0:10:57 > 0:11:00"No, certainly not, I'm not going to pay as much as that,"
0:11:00 > 0:11:02when it's something a great deal of money,
0:11:02 > 0:11:05because they want to still have a lot of money.
0:11:05 > 0:11:06They want to keep their money?
0:11:06 > 0:11:08Yes.
0:11:08 > 0:11:10Are rich people nice people?
0:11:10 > 0:11:12Not very.
0:11:12 > 0:11:13Why not?
0:11:13 > 0:11:17Well, because they are too rich and sometimes they get a bit bossy.
0:11:17 > 0:11:19What about poor people?
0:11:19 > 0:11:21They're all right, sometimes.
0:11:21 > 0:11:25But they do steal things sometimes from other people
0:11:25 > 0:11:27when they're not looking.
0:11:27 > 0:11:30What about you? Do you have a lot of money?
0:11:30 > 0:11:32No... Well, I don't expect so.
0:11:32 > 0:11:34But Mummy says we are middle classed.
0:11:35 > 0:11:36What does that mean?
0:11:36 > 0:11:39Well, I don't know. But we're just middle-classed.
0:11:40 > 0:11:43Would you like to be very rich?
0:11:43 > 0:11:47No. But I'd just like to have enough money to keep going.
0:11:47 > 0:11:49You have to work to be rich,
0:11:49 > 0:11:53and it takes about 15 years to be a millionaire,
0:11:53 > 0:11:55if you want to work really hard.
0:11:55 > 0:12:02But if you work only for a teeny bit, you only get a bit of money.
0:12:02 > 0:12:07You never know how much money you get in a year or so.
0:12:07 > 0:12:09How much pocket money do you get?
0:12:09 > 0:12:112s 3d.
0:12:11 > 0:12:13- 2s 3d?- Yes.
0:12:13 > 0:12:15Why 2s 3d?
0:12:15 > 0:12:19Well, we say that every time you have a birthday,
0:12:19 > 0:12:22you get thruppence more.
0:12:22 > 0:12:24That was Daddy's idea.
0:12:24 > 0:12:27Is it always 2s 3d for you, does it never vary?
0:12:27 > 0:12:30No, not unless I get fined.
0:12:30 > 0:12:32- Not unless...?- I get fined.
0:12:32 > 0:12:33What does that mean?
0:12:33 > 0:12:36Well, if you put your feet on the couch or something
0:12:36 > 0:12:39with your shoes on, then Daddy fines you
0:12:39 > 0:12:41something like thruppence or sixpence.
0:12:41 > 0:12:45Well, if somebody left me some money, I wouldn't take it,
0:12:45 > 0:12:49- I don't think, because I'd like to work for all the money I get.- Why?
0:12:49 > 0:12:52Because I don't think it's fair unless I do.
0:12:54 > 0:12:55How do you mean?
0:12:55 > 0:12:58Well, I don't think it's fair that if I get less money
0:12:58 > 0:13:00and I could be quite well off anyway,
0:13:00 > 0:13:03that...when it really should go to poor people
0:13:03 > 0:13:05who don't get left money like that
0:13:05 > 0:13:09and who work just as hard as I do, perhaps harder, and they're poor.
0:13:09 > 0:13:13- What kind of people are you thinking about?- Miners and things like that.
0:13:15 > 0:13:18What's your view about miners?
0:13:18 > 0:13:21Well, I think that... I think their job is dangerous
0:13:21 > 0:13:24and they don't get paid very well
0:13:24 > 0:13:26and I don't think it's fair...
0:13:26 > 0:13:29anything, when you think of all the rich people
0:13:29 > 0:13:33sometimes just sit in an office and answer the telephone
0:13:33 > 0:13:37and read books and things like that, when some people are down in pits
0:13:37 > 0:13:40and they don't get half as much money, or a quarter as much.
0:13:40 > 0:13:45What about when you grow up and you want to make some money?
0:13:45 > 0:13:47What will you do?
0:13:47 > 0:13:53Be a diver or go to America and look for some stuff under the sea there
0:13:53 > 0:13:57because there's supposed to be a lot under the sea there.
0:13:57 > 0:13:59What sort of stuff?
0:13:59 > 0:14:05Treasures and stuff, very old chests and stuff, things like that.
0:14:05 > 0:14:09And would this be a good way to make a lot of money?
0:14:09 > 0:14:10Um...
0:14:10 > 0:14:13Yes. It will be quite a good way.
0:14:13 > 0:14:18Get some nice, you know, quite a lot of money...
0:14:18 > 0:14:19for it.
0:14:19 > 0:14:21And everything you get when you dive,
0:14:21 > 0:14:23it's all yours, is it, all the treasure?
0:14:23 > 0:14:27No, half of it is the Queen's, but some of it is mine.
0:14:29 > 0:14:32What about you? Where do you go for your holidays?
0:14:32 > 0:14:34We go to Venice and Cannes.
0:14:34 > 0:14:37What are these places like?
0:14:37 > 0:14:39We have spaghetti, tagliatelle
0:14:39 > 0:14:42and, er...raviolini.
0:14:43 > 0:14:46What do you think about Italian food?
0:14:46 > 0:14:49It's quite nice, I think.
0:14:49 > 0:14:52Which are your favourite restaurants?
0:14:52 > 0:14:56Oh, the Chinese restaurant because when we go in through the door,
0:14:56 > 0:15:01the people bow to us and say, "A-so! A-so!" all the time.
0:15:01 > 0:15:04And then we sit down and they take our coats
0:15:04 > 0:15:06and we eat and eat and eat.
0:15:06 > 0:15:10When you grow up and you have a home of your own,
0:15:10 > 0:15:12what kind of furniture would you put in it?
0:15:12 > 0:15:15- Georgian.- Why?
0:15:16 > 0:15:19Because I don't like the modern. It's...
0:15:20 > 0:15:25..a funny shape and very small, usually.
0:15:25 > 0:15:29Well, how does a girl go about getting the money
0:15:29 > 0:15:32to buy the things that you'd like to have?
0:15:33 > 0:15:36Well, you can either marry some rich person
0:15:36 > 0:15:38and see whether they'll give you some money
0:15:38 > 0:15:42or else you have to see whether you can get a good job,
0:15:42 > 0:15:44but it's not very easy to do that
0:15:44 > 0:15:47because a lot of people get there before you.
0:15:47 > 0:15:49- To get the jobs?- Yes.
0:15:49 > 0:15:52What about marrying for money, is this easy or not?
0:15:52 > 0:15:56It's not very easy because you can't just come up to someone
0:15:56 > 0:15:58and ask them whether they'll marry you.
0:15:58 > 0:16:01You have to find out whether they have a lot of money
0:16:01 > 0:16:04and, like, what you're going to get.
0:16:04 > 0:16:07What do you think it would be like to have a great deal of money?
0:16:07 > 0:16:11I wouldn't like it, but I think that if I did have a lot of money,
0:16:11 > 0:16:16I'd make a school for the rich people and the poor people to join together
0:16:16 > 0:16:20because I think that when the poor people are separate
0:16:20 > 0:16:23from the rich people, they don't feel as though
0:16:23 > 0:16:26they're in with it and they feel worse than they already are.
0:16:28 > 0:16:31Do you think people should have a second chance
0:16:31 > 0:16:32if they've done something wrong?
0:16:32 > 0:16:35Well, sometimes they deserve it, yes.
0:16:35 > 0:16:37When do they deserve another chance?
0:16:37 > 0:16:40When they haven't quite killed a person,
0:16:40 > 0:16:42just harmed them very badly.
0:16:42 > 0:16:43Or something like that.
0:16:43 > 0:16:45But when they've really killed a person,
0:16:45 > 0:16:48I think they should go for a lifetime.
0:16:48 > 0:16:51What's the worst thing you've ever done?
0:16:51 > 0:16:52Um...
0:16:53 > 0:16:57..nipped out of my bedroom when I wasn't supposed to
0:16:57 > 0:17:00and went playing football and got myself as mucky as anything.
0:17:00 > 0:17:02Did you get found out?
0:17:02 > 0:17:04No, I had a wash.
0:17:04 > 0:17:07I nipped in through my bedroom window,
0:17:07 > 0:17:09went to the bathroom and had a wash.
0:17:09 > 0:17:12Mummy smacked me with a jam spoon.
0:17:12 > 0:17:15With a jam spoon?
0:17:15 > 0:17:18What do you have to do to be smacked with a jam spoon?
0:17:18 > 0:17:20Well, sometimes I hit my brother and sister
0:17:20 > 0:17:24and sometimes I hit Sooty and Skippy.
0:17:24 > 0:17:29And what do you think when you're smacked with a jam spoon?
0:17:29 > 0:17:31I think I'll never do it again.
0:17:31 > 0:17:33Do you do it again?
0:17:33 > 0:17:37Do you think it does any good to send a man to prison?
0:17:37 > 0:17:41Um, yes, but I think they have an easy time.
0:17:41 > 0:17:45They've got nice beds and nice pillows, they have...
0:17:46 > 0:17:48They've got lots of freedom.
0:17:48 > 0:17:50How bad should it be?
0:17:50 > 0:17:53Well, it's according to what they've done.
0:17:53 > 0:17:56Like those train robbers, they should be killed.
0:17:56 > 0:17:58And assassins and all that.
0:17:58 > 0:18:00But like here...
0:18:00 > 0:18:03In America, it's better there, they hang them, electrocute them.
0:18:03 > 0:18:07In here though, we just give them 25 years at the most.
0:18:07 > 0:18:08And then they go free again,
0:18:08 > 0:18:12and if they're still alive by then, they go out killing again.
0:18:12 > 0:18:15What's it like in prison, do you think?
0:18:16 > 0:18:19Well, there's only one bed there.
0:18:19 > 0:18:22And there's little windows with bars down them
0:18:22 > 0:18:25and then there's a sort of cage all around.
0:18:25 > 0:18:27Yeah.
0:18:27 > 0:18:29What's the cage like?
0:18:29 > 0:18:32Well, it's big, thick bars, like this,
0:18:32 > 0:18:36put down the side and then about one or two across.
0:18:37 > 0:18:40And a door so that people can give them their food.
0:18:40 > 0:18:42What sort of food do they get?
0:18:42 > 0:18:49Usually bread and milk, or milk and water or something like that.
0:18:49 > 0:18:53What's the best way to punish grown-ups for doing things wrong,
0:18:53 > 0:18:56- do you think?- Well, a killer should be done the same to them
0:18:56 > 0:18:58as they've done to others.
0:18:58 > 0:19:01And then these army criminals, maniacs and all that
0:19:01 > 0:19:03should be sent to Vietnam to fight there.
0:19:03 > 0:19:06Then, if they get killed, it's their own fault.
0:19:07 > 0:19:12- What about prison? - Well, they're too sort of happy.
0:19:12 > 0:19:14They've got the television, food,
0:19:14 > 0:19:18it's almost in there better than what we've got here now.
0:19:18 > 0:19:22What do you think should happen to people who have committed crimes?
0:19:22 > 0:19:24Well, I think that they shouldn't go to prison
0:19:24 > 0:19:26the first time they commit it,
0:19:26 > 0:19:31but they should be put on television in front of all the people
0:19:31 > 0:19:35to look at them, and someone who's got a lot of nerve
0:19:35 > 0:19:40to really tell them off and make them feel ashamed of themselves.
0:19:40 > 0:19:42Who should do this, do you think?
0:19:44 > 0:19:48David Coleman, Cliff Michelmore, someone like that.
0:19:54 > 0:19:56What sort of a person do you reckon you are?
0:19:58 > 0:20:01Well, I haven't really got a temper,
0:20:01 > 0:20:05but what really makes me mad is the English view about Ireland.
0:20:05 > 0:20:09They all think it's little white-washed cottages
0:20:09 > 0:20:16with thatched roofs and they have wee half doors with pigs looking in
0:20:16 > 0:20:20and things like that over the top half of the door.
0:20:20 > 0:20:22And I think it's a wrong view.
0:20:22 > 0:20:24Um, I think I'm short tempered
0:20:24 > 0:20:28because at times I could be pretty calm and good-tempered,
0:20:28 > 0:20:32but my brother, for instance, he'd be... I'd be watching a programme
0:20:32 > 0:20:35and be very interested in it, so he's...
0:20:35 > 0:20:39No, mad over the sport and he would want to change over, you know,
0:20:39 > 0:20:41switch over to another channel to see sport
0:20:41 > 0:20:44and that would really get me angry because I used to be like...
0:20:44 > 0:20:47You know a volcano where it just comes slowly up,
0:20:47 > 0:20:49the lava comes up, and then bursts like that.
0:20:49 > 0:20:51People call me Ginger Bob,
0:20:51 > 0:20:55but I don't think my hair really is ginger, I think it's red.
0:20:55 > 0:20:58And when they call me names,
0:20:58 > 0:21:04I don't really let them know that I'm going to go for them
0:21:04 > 0:21:09and they say... I get a kind of sick in the stomach and my blood boils up
0:21:09 > 0:21:13and I clench my fists and I look at them in the eyes like this.
0:21:13 > 0:21:16And then I run after them
0:21:16 > 0:21:19and they usually run away,
0:21:19 > 0:21:22but sometimes I get them and I punch them.
0:21:22 > 0:21:26And I don't like the name Ginger Bob.
0:21:26 > 0:21:29What does guilt feel like?
0:21:30 > 0:21:33Well, it feels as if you're sort of sweating
0:21:33 > 0:21:36and you're burning up inside like a fire.
0:21:36 > 0:21:38And you're sort of roasting,
0:21:38 > 0:21:41and then if you tell someone about it, it just cools down again,
0:21:41 > 0:21:45it's like falling into the bathtub after coming out of a fire.
0:21:45 > 0:21:47But if you tell somebody, you can get rid of this?
0:21:47 > 0:21:51Yes, you can get rid of it, it helps a good deal.
0:21:51 > 0:21:53Most things, like jealousy, hate, you know,
0:21:53 > 0:21:56things like that, it helps a lot to tell someone.
0:21:56 > 0:21:59In what way then does it help?
0:21:59 > 0:22:04Well, it's like a donkey and a cart.
0:22:04 > 0:22:05If the cart is full up with...
0:22:06 > 0:22:09If the donkey could talk and he told a farmer
0:22:09 > 0:22:13that he had far too much coal in the back of the truck,
0:22:13 > 0:22:14or on the back of the cart,
0:22:14 > 0:22:18then the man took a whole lot of... took say half the coal off,
0:22:18 > 0:22:21that would be like taking off just something the same thing as that.
0:22:21 > 0:22:23That would take the load off?
0:22:23 > 0:22:25That would take practically most of the load off the donkey,
0:22:25 > 0:22:27then the donkey would feel better again.
0:22:27 > 0:22:30Then he knew he wasn't being hit, it was just a mistake
0:22:30 > 0:22:31and the man would be off.
0:22:31 > 0:22:34And if you have something that you're guilty about in your mind,
0:22:34 > 0:22:38- do you tell somebody else? - Yes. It helps a lot.
0:22:38 > 0:22:45Sometimes I do not really like getting a new pair of shoes,
0:22:45 > 0:22:49a new pair of socks. As long... If he gets a new pair of shoes
0:22:49 > 0:22:54and I get a new pair of shoes, it clashes... It doesn't feel anything.
0:22:54 > 0:22:59But if one of us gets it and I don't, well, I feel muck,
0:22:59 > 0:23:03all muck, mad, really mad.
0:23:03 > 0:23:05I'm ready to box him.
0:23:05 > 0:23:07If you know what I mean.
0:23:07 > 0:23:10Go in and stick a dagger in him.
0:23:10 > 0:23:13You know, that kind of feeling.
0:23:14 > 0:23:18That feeling that you can break his neck.
0:23:18 > 0:23:21And where is this feeling inside?
0:23:21 > 0:23:26Sometimes it comes from inside here, when you get him in a minute,
0:23:26 > 0:23:27you are going to go...
0:23:31 > 0:23:36- You are all dressed up for a wedding. - Yes.- Yes.- What are you all?
0:23:36 > 0:23:39I'm dressed as a bridesmaid.
0:23:39 > 0:23:43- Have you ever really been a bridesmaid?- Yes.
0:23:43 > 0:23:46What was that like? What happened?
0:23:46 > 0:23:52Well, in church, I had to wait for a bit with my mummy
0:23:52 > 0:23:58and I had a basket full of flowers and I had a hat on.
0:23:58 > 0:24:03- You have artificial flowers, do you, Claire?- Well, any kind, really.
0:24:03 > 0:24:07I will really have artificials.
0:24:07 > 0:24:13What about you? Have you ever been to a wedding as a page or an attendant?
0:24:13 > 0:24:16Well, I was invited to be a page,
0:24:16 > 0:24:20- but I wasn't very happy with the idea.- Why not?
0:24:20 > 0:24:24Well, because when we went to the practice in the church,
0:24:24 > 0:24:28the clothes, well, they were sissy-like, like a girl,
0:24:28 > 0:24:30like hipsters today.
0:24:30 > 0:24:33There were made out of silk, red silk.
0:24:33 > 0:24:35There was a white shirt.
0:24:36 > 0:24:40And a red dickie bow, I don't like the idea of that.
0:24:40 > 0:24:44I just said that I'd look a sissy with those clothes on.
0:24:44 > 0:24:47- And, you know, they just gave me a look...- What kind of a look?
0:24:47 > 0:24:54You know, as if to say, well, you're all right, but not spot-on.
0:24:55 > 0:24:58Does this mean, then, that you haven't been to a wedding?
0:24:58 > 0:25:00Oh, yes, I went to the same wedding
0:25:00 > 0:25:02and I was sat on the back row.
0:25:02 > 0:25:05I'd rather be on the back row than the front with the pages.
0:25:05 > 0:25:07Well, when people want to get married,
0:25:07 > 0:25:11they can either get married in a church or a register office.
0:25:12 > 0:25:14What's a register office?
0:25:14 > 0:25:18Well, it's somewhere where you can go
0:25:18 > 0:25:24and get married without letting people know, and it's quicker.
0:25:24 > 0:25:29Cos you don't have to have confetti all over you and, um...
0:25:29 > 0:25:31it's quicker, really.
0:25:31 > 0:25:34But why should someone want to be married quickly
0:25:34 > 0:25:36without anyone else knowing?
0:25:36 > 0:25:40Well, sometimes they want to get away home
0:25:40 > 0:25:45and they want to get married, you know, quietly.
0:25:45 > 0:25:48And without being disturbed.
0:25:48 > 0:25:51What age will you get married at, do you think?
0:25:51 > 0:25:54- 18.- Why?
0:25:55 > 0:25:59Well, my brother and sister are always bossing me about
0:25:59 > 0:26:02and having fights and we're always left out.
0:26:02 > 0:26:07I like going to weddings, you get lots of food and you have chicken...
0:26:07 > 0:26:12I got chicken, cabbage, apple sauce, cabbage
0:26:12 > 0:26:15and we had jelly and tarts for fruits.
0:26:15 > 0:26:21We had jelly and tarts and trifle and apple pie, cream tart and, er...
0:26:21 > 0:26:26meat pie, liver and steak and kidney pie and meat pie.
0:26:26 > 0:26:28- All at a wedding?- Yeah.
0:26:28 > 0:26:34- What was the best part about it? - The reception, especially the cake.
0:26:34 > 0:26:37There were some with thruppenny bits in, and I got two.
0:26:37 > 0:26:40And I also got a lucky horseshoe.
0:26:40 > 0:26:42What happened after the wedding?
0:26:42 > 0:26:44What did you do then?
0:26:45 > 0:26:50I went out and I went in a pub to have a drink of orange.
0:26:50 > 0:26:52You what?
0:26:52 > 0:26:54I went to the pub to have a drink of orange
0:26:54 > 0:26:58and I went up to have my tea with Mummy.
0:26:58 > 0:27:02And I keep asking to go to the toilet.
0:27:02 > 0:27:04What are you dressed as?
0:27:05 > 0:27:08- A broad maid.- A what?
0:27:08 > 0:27:10A broad maid.
0:27:10 > 0:27:13A broad maid. What's that?
0:27:15 > 0:27:17Have you ever been a bridesmaid yourself?
0:27:19 > 0:27:21Would you like to be?
0:27:21 > 0:27:22Why?
0:27:25 > 0:27:28- Why would you like to be one? - I'm going to marry you.
0:27:28 > 0:27:32- What?- Marry you.- To marry me?