Scenes from a Teenage Killing

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0:00:16 > 0:00:18I was there on the spot when it happened, right here.

0:00:18 > 0:00:22Just nothing I could do to help him.

0:00:30 > 0:00:34- Reporters have said it's a gang war. It wasn't.- It's nothing like that.

0:00:34 > 0:00:36If it was a gang war, why did two people get hurt?

0:00:36 > 0:00:39It would be a lot more than two people getting hurt.

0:00:44 > 0:00:48"A teenager was stabbed to death in an orgy of violence

0:00:48 > 0:00:54"and regulars clashed with a gang of thugs outside a pub.

0:00:54 > 0:00:57"Shevon Wilson, 17, collapsed in a pool of blood

0:00:57 > 0:01:00"as around 30 young men brawled

0:01:00 > 0:01:05"in a tough area of Bristol yesterday."

0:01:05 > 0:01:09There's some hostility about because that's where it happened. It happened outside that pub.

0:01:09 > 0:01:15The person that done it come out from that pub. So, obviously, people are not happy about it.

0:01:15 > 0:01:18The police are taking the piss. They're standing out here

0:01:18 > 0:01:21all the time, mocking us, they want us to do something. They want the excuse.

0:01:21 > 0:01:29"Crazed attackers, some barely teenagers, grabbed bricks and bicycle parts to batter each other.

0:01:29 > 0:01:33"Locals blame the violence on a gang known as the Speedwell Crew

0:01:33 > 0:01:38"or the Top Lot, who entered The World's End pub looking for trouble."

0:01:38 > 0:01:43The first article that I read in the paper said that 30 youths come down to this pub,

0:01:43 > 0:01:48hooded up, basically looking for trouble, when that didn't happen. You know what I'm saying?

0:01:48 > 0:01:51"It is believed regulars then fought back

0:01:51 > 0:01:54"and a mass battle sprawled outside."

0:01:54 > 0:01:59If I wasn't there and I just read the paper, I woke up on Saturday morning and I read the paper,

0:01:59 > 0:02:04you get what I'm saying, and I just heard that, I would think, yeah, well, OK, it was a big fight.

0:02:04 > 0:02:08It was a big fight and yeah, he got stabbed, well, they shouldn't have been fighting,

0:02:08 > 0:02:11or something like that. That's what I would think.

0:02:11 > 0:02:14You get what I'm saying? If I wasn't there. But I was there, innit.

0:02:17 > 0:02:21"After being stabbed, Shevon was rushed to hospital,

0:02:21 > 0:02:24"but he later died from his wounds."

0:02:26 > 0:02:28Just makes me feel shame, like...

0:02:29 > 0:02:33Like, we're the bad ones, if you know what I mean.

0:02:33 > 0:02:37Everything's just put on us, just because we're a group of mates

0:02:37 > 0:02:41who hang around up by a local shop, wearing hoodies.

0:03:13 > 0:03:17- Police... - From my point of view, investigating murder, and my team,

0:03:17 > 0:03:23what generally comes across is that there's never a reason for why these things happen.

0:03:23 > 0:03:27Erm, I think we've dealt with about nine murders in the last 12 months,

0:03:27 > 0:03:33and if you watch the cop shows on TV and everyone's talking about motive, you need motive, what's the motive?

0:03:33 > 0:03:39None of the jobs I've dealt with have had any kind of motive whatsoever. They've all been over stupid things.

0:03:39 > 0:03:45This stair and this stair had, like, two huge pools of blood on them.

0:03:45 > 0:03:51It looks like, basically, it's a drag mark and then a step down

0:03:51 > 0:03:54and there's blood in the shoe and it's sort of spattered out.

0:04:03 > 0:04:06If there are difficult questions,

0:04:06 > 0:04:09then we do have to face them head-on.

0:04:09 > 0:04:12Yeah. Need to be keen to stress that it's not organised crime.

0:04:12 > 0:04:14They're groups of lads, they're not gangs.

0:04:16 > 0:04:18The victim isn't known to us, full stop.

0:04:18 > 0:04:24The cause of death in the PM yesterday, there's three causes which all follow on from each other.

0:04:24 > 0:04:28The main cause of death is multi-organ failure,

0:04:28 > 0:04:31which was caused by hypovolemic shock,

0:04:31 > 0:04:34which is essentially blood loss.

0:04:36 > 0:04:39The stab wound is between nine and 11 centimetres deep.

0:04:39 > 0:04:44- OK.- And it's an angle upwards and inwards. It's about there.

0:04:44 > 0:04:47- Slightly up and slightly pointed to the inside of the body.- Right.

0:04:47 > 0:04:54Single wound, that took out both his femoral artery and femoral vein.

0:04:54 > 0:04:59According to the pathologist, essentially he was dead as soon as it happened.

0:04:59 > 0:05:02- There was no chance of him surviving. - Right.- Huge blood loss.

0:05:02 > 0:05:05There was some blood on the door here.

0:05:05 > 0:05:10Any of the green arrows are blood swabs that we've taken.

0:05:10 > 0:05:13The red arrows on the floor are footwear marks in blood.

0:05:13 > 0:05:19This room is surprisingly tidy, compared to how we found it.

0:05:19 > 0:05:24The television table had been upturned with the television on the floor, which is damaged.

0:05:24 > 0:05:25The vase had been thrown.

0:05:25 > 0:05:30This weekend was the end of Ramadan, which is fasting, and the start of the Eid festival.

0:05:30 > 0:05:34And as a result, traditionally, the young Asian lads go out celebrating.

0:05:34 > 0:05:38And on Sunday night, a group of lads from Bolton

0:05:38 > 0:05:43and a group of lads from the Oldham/Bradford area

0:05:43 > 0:05:48have all ended up in town celebrating Eid in Manchester city centre.

0:05:48 > 0:05:52By coincidence, they all end up staying in Victoria Buildings.

0:05:52 > 0:05:57It's not a hotel, it's more like serviced apartments, but they do rent them out on a nightly basis.

0:05:57 > 0:06:01As the night goes on, there starts to develop a bit of tension

0:06:01 > 0:06:04between the two groups, and we don't know why exactly.

0:06:04 > 0:06:07At which point, there's a massive fight.

0:06:07 > 0:06:1323 is completely trashed, and eventually, there's a bit of hand-to-hand combat, if you like.

0:06:13 > 0:06:17And at the front of that hand-to-hand appears to be our victim, Zhen.

0:06:17 > 0:06:21And at some stage in that melee, he receives a stab wound.

0:06:27 > 0:06:33We know from the suspect accounts that he is stabbed by a man who comes out of that bedroom there.

0:06:33 > 0:06:36And there is some blood there, albeit not a great deal.

0:06:36 > 0:06:38We also believe that Zhen manages to walk.

0:06:38 > 0:06:45- So we assume that he gets to the door here and this blood here is probably Zhen's.- Yeah.

0:06:45 > 0:06:50- The next bit is his four friends, carrying Zhen out. - And they're obviously struggling.

0:06:50 > 0:06:55They drop him a couple of times and that's probably why the blood is on the carpet everywhere.

0:06:55 > 0:06:59- The next people you see come down now are the other contingent. - The Oldham lads.- Yeah.

0:06:59 > 0:07:03So, if we go through these slowly... He's got a bottle in his right hand.

0:07:03 > 0:07:07Bottle in his right hand. Bottle in his right hand. Stick.

0:07:07 > 0:07:12Don't think anything at all. Stick. And this lad here, he's got a bottle in his left hand

0:07:12 > 0:07:17and in his right hand, you see a glint, which I think is a knife. But if I show you that slowly...

0:07:18 > 0:07:23There. Just see that glint then? There. About the size of a knife.

0:07:25 > 0:07:30Now, this knife block is similar to the one that's been recovered out of 39,

0:07:30 > 0:07:33minus that.

0:07:35 > 0:07:38There's two knives been found in the bedroom at 23.

0:07:38 > 0:07:41One of them fits the wound,

0:07:41 > 0:07:46according to the vascular surgeon that repaired Zhen's leg, and also the pathologist.

0:07:48 > 0:07:52That's his friends who brought him out the building, they're now trying

0:07:52 > 0:07:55to give him CPR and trying to stop the blood flow.

0:07:55 > 0:08:00Zhen's family speak about him as this sort of glowing light in their lives.

0:08:00 > 0:08:04Educated, bright young man. He's 18 years old, you know.

0:08:04 > 0:08:08He's at the start of his life. Loads of people in Bolton knew him as this

0:08:08 > 0:08:12bright, bubbly kid that was always happy and that had loads of friends.

0:08:14 > 0:08:16- So they know he's dying, don't they? - Yeah.

0:08:30 > 0:08:36Going back to the scene on the Monday morning when the cops arrive, they're met by a real chaotic mess.

0:08:36 > 0:08:39They see a lot of young Asian lads, a lot of them agitated.

0:08:39 > 0:08:43Some have got tops on, some haven't. Some with blood, some with injuries.

0:08:43 > 0:08:47And they make the decision to lock everybody up for violent disorder.

0:08:47 > 0:08:52And from the accounts, there are at least two of the suspects have described

0:08:52 > 0:08:55a man who was fighting with Zhen in room 23.

0:08:55 > 0:08:59And he's described - quite a distinctive lad -

0:08:59 > 0:09:04over six feet tall with an unusual beard and heavy build.

0:09:04 > 0:09:08So he is called Shahab Rahim.

0:09:08 > 0:09:15We have four key witnesses now who saw Rahim fighting with Zhen at the time he was stabbed,

0:09:15 > 0:09:20and if they'd been sober at the time and if they hadn't been arrested, it would be a clear case.

0:09:20 > 0:09:25Unfortunately, they weren't sober, and they were arrested, so it makes it more difficult for us.

0:09:25 > 0:09:27- Are you fit and well? - Yes.- Any injuries?- No.

0:09:27 > 0:09:31- Any medication?- No.- Drugs problems? - No.- Mental health problems?- No.

0:09:31 > 0:09:33- Ever tried to hurt yourself?- No.

0:09:33 > 0:09:40He presents as an intelligent, softly-spoken, polite guy.

0:09:41 > 0:09:45But the evidence, even at this stage, against him, I feel, is quite strong.

0:09:45 > 0:09:48Can you see that male there, Shahab?

0:09:48 > 0:09:50- No comment.- Is that you?- No comment.

0:09:50 > 0:09:54You've got Zhen's blood on your right shoulder,

0:09:54 > 0:09:59- can you explain to me how that got to be on your T-shirt?- No comment.

0:09:59 > 0:10:01- How has that happened?- No comment.

0:10:01 > 0:10:06Sometimes you get away with no comment if the police evidence is a bit thin,

0:10:06 > 0:10:08and sometimes they ask, "Have you got a statement?"

0:10:08 > 0:10:12We say, "We're not telling you," and that generally means we haven't.

0:10:12 > 0:10:16But we've got these four statements, we've got this blood, we've got CCTV.

0:10:16 > 0:10:18We've got the knife from the room you were in

0:10:18 > 0:10:22and you already told us you were in the room. That's a lot of evidence.

0:10:22 > 0:10:25All you can do is look at me and say no comment,

0:10:25 > 0:10:27- and that ain't good enough, is it? - No comment.

0:10:27 > 0:10:32Bearing in mind this is a murder inquiry - I think you stabbed Zhen.

0:10:32 > 0:10:35I think you murdered Zhen Asghar, what do you think of that?

0:10:35 > 0:10:37No comment.

0:10:37 > 0:10:39I do feel that we're looking at the right person here.

0:10:39 > 0:10:44And I think a dispute over something as simple as a £20 note or a CD,

0:10:44 > 0:10:49I think, from what's coming out of the other interviews, could have started this situation.

0:10:49 > 0:10:52The phrase being used was "being disrespected".

0:10:54 > 0:10:58It's a common term amongst kids, isn't it?

0:10:58 > 0:11:01And I think it comes from the States, as in dissing somebody.

0:11:01 > 0:11:05That, ultimately, it would appear, is the reason that Zhen has been killed.

0:11:05 > 0:11:10There's a lot of talk of gangs generally throughout the public now.

0:11:10 > 0:11:12It's quite a trendy thing to talk about.

0:11:12 > 0:11:18From a police point of view, we don't refer to them as gangs, we refer to them as organised crime groups.

0:11:18 > 0:11:22Some people refer to gangs as a group of lads that hang around together,

0:11:22 > 0:11:25and if that's the truth, then we were all in a gang as kids.

0:11:25 > 0:11:27That's not what this is about.

0:11:40 > 0:11:43'Good evening to you from Points West.

0:11:43 > 0:11:48'A 17-year-old boy who was stabbed to death in Bristol early yesterday morning has been named by police.

0:11:48 > 0:11:54'Shevon Wilson was fatally wounded in the chest during a fight outside The World's End pub in St George...'

0:11:54 > 0:12:00Well, I was angry all the time because someone had murdered my brother.

0:12:00 > 0:12:05The pub was open still and people were still going in and out of the pub,

0:12:05 > 0:12:10almost as though nothing had happened, as though, you know, someone hadn't been murdered.

0:12:10 > 0:12:14And I think if the pub had been closed, it would have shown

0:12:14 > 0:12:17some sort of respect for what had happened outside the pub.

0:12:17 > 0:12:23Did you think of closing the pub afterwards or shutting the pub down for a few days?

0:12:23 > 0:12:29No way. No. Goodness gracious! Why should we let it affect all the other customers who use the pub?

0:12:29 > 0:12:33- It was nothing to do with the pub. - It was nothing to do with the pub.

0:12:33 > 0:12:38How could that happen outside your pub the night before and you don't even shut your doors?

0:12:38 > 0:12:42He should have paid respect and closed that pub.

0:12:42 > 0:12:47If I closed, it's just a closed door.

0:12:47 > 0:12:51But if I'm there, people can ask what the hell went on.

0:12:51 > 0:12:54I was there to tell them.

0:12:54 > 0:12:59There was a lot of hostility between the locals in the pub and my brother's friends.

0:12:59 > 0:13:03They were sat on one side of the road, the locals were on the other side of the road

0:13:03 > 0:13:07coming in and out of the pub, and it was just a very tense atmosphere,

0:13:07 > 0:13:10and it wasn't needed at that time.

0:13:11 > 0:13:15The guy who stabbed him or killed him, that's his uncle whose pub it is.

0:13:15 > 0:13:17So they're all family.

0:13:17 > 0:13:22Half of the shit what was written in the paper, all the lies, was because of them.

0:13:22 > 0:13:29They were blaming us, saying that the attacker was our nephew, for a start-off, which he wasn't.

0:13:29 > 0:13:34And, er, it was just our fault.

0:13:34 > 0:13:37No rhyme, no reason to it. Nothing.

0:13:37 > 0:13:40Couldn't make head or tail of it half the time.

0:13:40 > 0:13:42They just needed somebody to blame.

0:13:43 > 0:13:46It was like The Birds.

0:13:46 > 0:13:50- All in their black hoodies, looking around like that.- The Birds?

0:13:50 > 0:13:53- The film.- The Birds, you know.

0:13:55 > 0:13:57I thought something was going to happen,

0:13:57 > 0:14:02to be honest, because there was a lot of angry people, just thinking,

0:14:02 > 0:14:05why it happened. Why, like, you know what I mean?

0:14:05 > 0:14:12And you just couldn't stand looking at anyone who come from that pub.

0:14:17 > 0:14:22So I think eventually that's why the decision was made to have a bench,

0:14:22 > 0:14:26and move the flowers and things up into Meadow Vale opposite the shops,

0:14:26 > 0:14:32where they could kind of go and pay their respects without any problems or any hostility.

0:14:34 > 0:14:38How important is this shrine, is this place now to you?

0:14:38 > 0:14:43This is very important. If anybody come up here and disrespected it, I will go mad.

0:14:43 > 0:14:48- Then there'll be something in the paper about that.- Yeah, that would be summat to write about.

0:14:48 > 0:14:51That's when you can come out saying that we started this shit.

0:14:51 > 0:14:54At the end of the day, my brethren got murdered.

0:14:54 > 0:14:59- He's an innocent guy, yeah? He doesn't deserve this shit, yeah? - Don't worry. Don't get emotional.

0:14:59 > 0:15:06So, I'm just saying, anyone want to disrespect anything you see here, yeah, anyone wants to disrespect it,

0:15:06 > 0:15:08then that's when the papers can have the excuse

0:15:08 > 0:15:12- to start writing shit about us. - That's when they can write what they writ.

0:15:16 > 0:15:18They were under the impression, the youngsters,

0:15:18 > 0:15:22that I'd sold a story, you know, to the News of the World.

0:15:22 > 0:15:26One of them turned round, I just remember this - "How much did you get paid for it?"

0:15:26 > 0:15:29There's no way I got paid for anything.

0:15:29 > 0:15:32Nobody's even spoken to me from the News of the World.

0:15:32 > 0:15:36"A teenager was stabbed to death in an orgy of violence

0:15:36 > 0:15:41"and regulars clashed with a gang of thugs outside a pub."

0:15:41 > 0:15:46- We're not even a gang, we're friends, and even then, we don't look...- It's just the way we dress.

0:15:46 > 0:15:49Friends... We call our friends family.

0:15:49 > 0:15:52Just because certain kids is unified, d'you get me?

0:15:52 > 0:15:56Just because there is unity in this community, people see it as a gang.

0:15:56 > 0:15:58But it's not that. And I hear people saying it.

0:15:58 > 0:16:03- Why do they say it, do you think? - Because they're mentally not on the same level, you get me?

0:16:03 > 0:16:06They're mentally circumcised in their intellect.

0:16:06 > 0:16:11"The locals blame the violence on a gang known as the Speedwell Crew

0:16:11 > 0:16:15"or the Top Lot, who entered The World's End pub looking for trouble."

0:16:15 > 0:16:19And they're putting shit in the paper about a gang from Speedwell,

0:16:19 > 0:16:22also known as the Top Lot. I don't know where that come from.

0:16:22 > 0:16:25I think during the initial reporting, they felt

0:16:25 > 0:16:29they were misrepresented in the press - that it was a gang, that...

0:16:29 > 0:16:32They were in a gang, there was a whole gang of them.

0:16:32 > 0:16:35There was nobody else here, love. Nobody!

0:16:35 > 0:16:36Have you read The News of the World?

0:16:36 > 0:16:41Erm, they were misrepresented.

0:16:41 > 0:16:44Er, they didn't come in the pub looking for trouble.

0:16:44 > 0:16:48There was no fight in the pub.

0:16:48 > 0:16:50There was no fight outside.

0:16:51 > 0:16:55Now, I cannot get that retracted.

0:17:38 > 0:17:41- Is that a young man?- No.- It's not. He's not here at the moment.

0:17:41 > 0:17:44That means he's in there, or the family are viewing.

0:17:50 > 0:17:53This is Abdul Karim here.

0:18:02 > 0:18:09I've worked here five, nearly six years, and a murder would come along now and then, a murder case.

0:18:09 > 0:18:12In the last two years, it has been horrific,

0:18:12 > 0:18:15and we're a small, small undertaker.

0:18:22 > 0:18:25I'm so sorry that you've had to lose a friend like this.

0:18:25 > 0:18:30- Are you OK, sister?- Yeah, I'm fine. - It's all right, don't worry. It's natural.

0:18:30 > 0:18:33I don't know how, if I was your age, how to cope.

0:18:33 > 0:18:37I've never experienced this. How did you know him, was he a friend, a school friend?

0:18:37 > 0:18:41We went to school together, he lived on my estate. We saw him every day.

0:18:41 > 0:18:44- So you've known him quite a few years.- Yeah.

0:18:44 > 0:18:47But in a generation sort of thing, like,

0:18:47 > 0:18:51it's a thing that happens every day, so... it's corrupted, like.

0:18:51 > 0:18:55Maybe 20 or 30 years ago, like, it wasn't as bad as this,

0:18:55 > 0:18:57but because it's something that we see every day,

0:18:57 > 0:19:00you just get used to it, kind of - well, not used to it, but...

0:19:00 > 0:19:03- You learn how to deal with it, I think.- Yeah, definitely.

0:19:03 > 0:19:07- How old are you guys?- 16.

0:19:07 > 0:19:11Wow. So you've got the whole of your life ahead of you.

0:19:12 > 0:19:16- But you never know when it's going to go.- Yeah, definitely.

0:19:24 > 0:19:28As a Muslim, we are ready to go and thank God,

0:19:28 > 0:19:30because our religion says,

0:19:30 > 0:19:35whatever happen to you, it says, you have to thank God...

0:19:36 > 0:19:40..because He has decided.

0:19:40 > 0:19:42And I thank God, of course, but...

0:19:47 > 0:19:50But I still miss him so much.

0:19:57 > 0:20:00God has a good reason for all these people passing.

0:20:00 > 0:20:04I don't know what that is, I couldn't even fathom what it is.

0:20:04 > 0:20:09You have to believe, though, that everything that happens on earth is down to God's will.

0:20:09 > 0:20:14So although it's really hard, we ask you please, don't let your tears fall

0:20:14 > 0:20:18on his coffin cloth, because that would make the washing null and void.

0:20:18 > 0:20:23And also, talk to him, because he can hear everything - but say nice things to him.

0:20:23 > 0:20:28If you're all crying and screaming and waling, he can hear that and imagine how he feels.

0:20:30 > 0:20:33Part of my religion, we are not allowed to cry a lot,

0:20:33 > 0:20:35because...

0:20:36 > 0:20:39..we say you are hurting your child.

0:20:39 > 0:20:41He is not going to be comfortable.

0:20:41 > 0:20:44So...

0:20:44 > 0:20:47I hope God is not going to punish me for this, but...

0:20:51 > 0:20:55..I cry. I know it's bad for my son but I cannot help it.

0:20:55 > 0:21:02At night-time, sometimes, I wear my son's clothes and go out and walk.

0:21:04 > 0:21:09Like I feel no-one is going to see me when I cry or scream.

0:21:09 > 0:21:12I wear his clothes every day, every single day.

0:21:15 > 0:21:17I cannot take his clothes off.

0:21:29 > 0:21:32I felt like I was blessed to know him. He wasn't a...

0:21:32 > 0:21:34He had his head screwed on.

0:21:34 > 0:21:38Like, most boys these days, out of all of them, he was one of the good ones.

0:21:38 > 0:21:40He knew what he... He wanted something out of life.

0:21:40 > 0:21:44He wanted to go somewhere. He wanted to go places.

0:21:49 > 0:21:52Is the first time that a friend of yours has been killed?

0:21:52 > 0:21:55No, I've had three friend killed.

0:21:55 > 0:21:57And this is the second one in my year from my school.

0:22:06 > 0:22:08HE SPEAKS ARABIC

0:22:14 > 0:22:18One by one. Give some to somebody else, please, because that is full. That's it.

0:22:18 > 0:22:21Over here, fill up this side, please.

0:23:04 > 0:23:06- So how long you been here, Jibbs? - Me?- Yeah.

0:23:06 > 0:23:08All night.

0:23:08 > 0:23:10- All night.- All night.

0:23:10 > 0:23:13- Everyone was out all night?- Yeah.

0:23:13 > 0:23:16Yeah.

0:23:16 > 0:23:18No sleep, look at me.

0:23:18 > 0:23:21- What about you, Kamari, you out all night?- Yeah.

0:23:21 > 0:23:23What was it like?

0:23:23 > 0:23:25Tiring.

0:23:25 > 0:23:27- Tiring?- Yeah.

0:23:27 > 0:23:30- I saw there was a tent up there - whose is the tent?- I slept in it.

0:23:30 > 0:23:32I don't know, I just woke up in it.

0:23:32 > 0:23:34I'm here every night.

0:23:34 > 0:23:37- Why's that?- Cos I should.

0:23:37 > 0:23:42If you're walking down the road and there's half a dozen, three or four or whatever...

0:23:42 > 0:23:46- Even you would cross over! - ..hoodies on that side of the road,

0:23:46 > 0:23:50you're intimidated, and that's how I would describe them.

0:23:50 > 0:23:53They're very intimidating, they know they are.

0:23:53 > 0:23:57And they love it. They love it.

0:23:57 > 0:23:59I think, erm,

0:23:59 > 0:24:05a few of the neighbours had said that sometimes they found the group quite intimidating,

0:24:05 > 0:24:10but I mean Shevon was always the kind of guy that if somebody was walking down the street,

0:24:10 > 0:24:12you know, and their group of friends was blocking the pavement, he would

0:24:12 > 0:24:17always say, "Come on, guys, move out the way, you know, somebody's trying to walk past."

0:24:17 > 0:24:24And they'd listen to him, and they'd move. So he always considered, you know, what was going on around him.

0:24:24 > 0:24:26You got some scars, haven't you, Jibbs?

0:24:28 > 0:24:30Yeah.

0:24:32 > 0:24:33Got scars.

0:24:35 > 0:24:37That one.

0:24:37 > 0:24:39I got stabbed in my belly and they had to cut me open and

0:24:39 > 0:24:43stitch up my bowels, because they punctured my bowels and that.

0:24:43 > 0:24:46And then on my back, innit.

0:24:46 > 0:24:52Hit my spinal cord and punctured like the bag, the fluid bag that goes from your spine to your brain.

0:24:52 > 0:24:54So I couldn't sit up or nothing for week and a half.

0:24:54 > 0:24:56Couldn't move, nothing.

0:24:56 > 0:24:59They said I could be paralysed.

0:24:59 > 0:25:04Punctured my lungs, scars under my chin there.

0:25:04 > 0:25:05- What was that over? - Wrong place, wrong time.

0:25:10 > 0:25:12What's this game, Kam?

0:25:12 > 0:25:14Call Of Duty.

0:25:14 > 0:25:16Oh, my...

0:25:17 > 0:25:19What's the purpose of the game?

0:25:19 > 0:25:23Merk everyone. Oh, see. Merk them.

0:25:23 > 0:25:25- What?- Merk them.

0:25:25 > 0:25:27- Merked.- What's that?

0:25:27 > 0:25:29Got killed.

0:25:30 > 0:25:34Ooh, merked him.

0:25:34 > 0:25:36It's just a word, innit?

0:25:36 > 0:25:39Merk. Murdered. Killed.

0:25:39 > 0:25:42Every day, I play. That's what makes me think of Shev.

0:25:42 > 0:25:44Every day, turn that on, Shev would be on it.

0:25:44 > 0:25:48It'd say "Wilson 909", cos we used to play online.

0:25:48 > 0:25:51- And how long has it been now? - Three weeks today.

0:25:51 > 0:25:55Every Friday, man. I just think about it every Friday, innit?

0:25:55 > 0:25:57On Monday it's his funeral, innit?

0:25:57 > 0:25:59- Funeral?- Yeah.

0:25:59 > 0:26:02Gonna be a massive funeral. Too much people, like.

0:26:02 > 0:26:05He was so kind. People love him.

0:26:05 > 0:26:07Don't understand, man.

0:26:07 > 0:26:10Not been to a funeral of a young person?

0:26:10 > 0:26:13No... No.

0:26:16 > 0:26:20COMPUTER GAME BLARES

0:26:58 > 0:27:00We did go to the graveyard,

0:27:00 > 0:27:04cos I wanted to see where he was buried, so we seen it.

0:27:04 > 0:27:09Do you know that other part, not that part, the bottom part?

0:27:09 > 0:27:16About, on the bottom row, about one, two, three, four, the fourth one,

0:27:16 > 0:27:19this way, that was his grave.

0:27:29 > 0:27:34Mam, when Ian got killed, he got stabbed seven times.

0:27:34 > 0:27:37One on his heart, one there,

0:27:37 > 0:27:43three, four, five, six, seven.

0:27:43 > 0:27:47How do you know that he got stabbed in those places and that many times?

0:27:49 > 0:27:53Cos I know that somebody told me they got stabbed seven times.

0:27:53 > 0:27:55You told me that.

0:27:55 > 0:27:57I haven't told you he got stabbed seven times.

0:27:57 > 0:27:59I don't know how many times he got stabbed.

0:27:59 > 0:28:01Maya told me, when she lived next door.

0:28:02 > 0:28:10Even though we didn't know Ian at all, it worried me that he was just accepting that this was

0:28:10 > 0:28:17a normal thing to happen, and I think because there was so much violence in the area, so many violent fights that

0:28:17 > 0:28:24went on, and that he was aware of and that he could hear, he just thought it was just another incident.

0:28:30 > 0:28:35When Ellie and me are asleep, we always look out the bedroom window.

0:28:35 > 0:28:36She always does this.

0:28:39 > 0:28:42See if there's any like naughty kids outside, isn't it, Ben?

0:28:42 > 0:28:44To see what they're doing.

0:28:46 > 0:28:52I think if Ian had lived, I'd have been really, really glad that I'd gone out,

0:28:52 > 0:28:55but because he died anyway at the scene,

0:28:55 > 0:29:00I wish now that I hadn't heard anything and we still sat in that front room and watched telly.

0:29:00 > 0:29:02I always wish that.

0:29:04 > 0:29:08Myself and my children were sitting in the front room of our house.

0:29:08 > 0:29:13I remember we were watching Britain's Got Talent, because its Ben's favourite.

0:29:13 > 0:29:17My sister's friend went upstairs and then she saw loads of people,

0:29:17 > 0:29:21like a big group of people, in the back alley out the window.

0:29:21 > 0:29:24So she ran down and had a look and we all followed her,

0:29:24 > 0:29:30and then my mam came out to tell us to come back in, but then someone shouted, "He's been stabbed."

0:29:30 > 0:29:34She ran out with a tea towel and said, "Move out the way, cos I'm a nurse."

0:29:34 > 0:29:36I can't remember anything else.

0:29:36 > 0:29:39I recognised somebody that I knew in the crowd.

0:29:39 > 0:29:41He lived over the road from me.

0:29:41 > 0:29:45And I asked him to help me to put the towel over the wound

0:29:45 > 0:29:51and apply pressure, whilst I did CPR, because I realised at that point that he'd stopped breathing.

0:29:51 > 0:29:59After he'd been stabbed, Ellie said he'd been took to hospital and died in hospital.

0:29:59 > 0:30:04Fortunately, afterwards I found out that Ben had stayed in the house watching Britain's Got Talent,

0:30:04 > 0:30:11so the first he knew of it was when I came back in the house and I was covered in blood.

0:30:13 > 0:30:17I was just devastated when I found out how young he was.

0:30:17 > 0:30:20I can, to this day, remember his mam

0:30:20 > 0:30:22screaming and crying.

0:30:26 > 0:30:30My mam got asked to go to court for a witness and then

0:30:30 > 0:30:36all the teenagers on the street just started calling my mam a grass

0:30:36 > 0:30:39for talking to the police about what she saw.

0:30:39 > 0:30:44And then they were threatening to, like, set our house on fire.

0:30:46 > 0:30:53There've been lots of incidents where maybe 16 youths would be in my garden refusing to leave.

0:30:53 > 0:30:59And then one day three of them came to my front gate and told me that

0:30:59 > 0:31:06they were going to take my little boy, Ben, and basically they were going to rape him.

0:31:07 > 0:31:13There were direct threats on many occasions about me giving evidence at court.

0:31:13 > 0:31:19Even though I actually hadn't witnessed the murder, I had witnessed

0:31:19 > 0:31:23things before and after of the use of weapons.

0:31:25 > 0:31:29But I knew that I couldn't give evidence and carry on

0:31:29 > 0:31:33living there, because it was too dangerous and I was frightened.

0:31:37 > 0:31:43That one. This one that I'm standing on. When all that's moved, all this bit

0:31:43 > 0:31:47is going to be my room.

0:31:47 > 0:31:49Do you like the new place better than the old house?

0:31:49 > 0:31:52I miss my old house, that's the best one.

0:31:52 > 0:31:57Our stuff was in boxes for about 16 weeks and the police said they would help us.

0:31:57 > 0:32:04They got in touch with the housing association and told them that they wanted us moving within the week.

0:32:04 > 0:32:0616 weeks later we were still there.

0:32:06 > 0:32:09So I found us somewhere to live.

0:32:09 > 0:32:15It's not an ideal flat at all, but it was better than where we were.

0:32:15 > 0:32:20This is the toilet. And then...

0:32:23 > 0:32:24This is the shower in here.

0:32:28 > 0:32:29We've got the kitchen sink,

0:32:29 > 0:32:34but then for, like, brushing our teeth and that it's in the front room.

0:32:40 > 0:32:43- There. - And that's the only sink in the house apart from the kitchen one?

0:32:43 > 0:32:45- Yeah.- And that's in your bedroom?

0:32:45 > 0:32:46Yeah.

0:32:46 > 0:32:48DANCE MUSIC PLAYS

0:32:48 > 0:32:49What's that noise?

0:32:49 > 0:32:53Just music from people playing it upstairs.

0:32:53 > 0:32:58I've told them to shut up about a million and 164 million times.

0:32:58 > 0:33:01- Is it like that all the time? - I don't know.

0:33:01 > 0:33:04Well, it has been like all the day, mainly.

0:33:08 > 0:33:09Yeah.

0:33:11 > 0:33:16The house is a bit backside first and...unorthodox, I suppose.

0:33:16 > 0:33:19I mean, there's no gas central heating,

0:33:19 > 0:33:24so we've got some oil-filled radiators,

0:33:24 > 0:33:28- so we'll have heat, but it's OK, isn't it, Ellie?- Yeah.

0:33:28 > 0:33:29Yeah.

0:33:29 > 0:33:33Just do things bit by bit.

0:33:38 > 0:33:45My mam went to court as a witness and the family that it happened to, like the boy that got murdered,

0:33:45 > 0:33:49they were really thankful for my mum for going into court, cos she didn't have to.

0:33:49 > 0:33:51I'd never met his mum before,

0:33:51 > 0:33:55and she just gave me a hug, and so did his younger brother,

0:33:55 > 0:33:59and just said, "Thank you so much for coming and giving evidence."

0:33:59 > 0:34:03And I just thought, yeah, it is worth it. It is.

0:34:03 > 0:34:06I just hope that somebody would do it if it was one of my children.

0:34:08 > 0:34:12So what if it was you, or you saw somebody injured in the street like that?

0:34:12 > 0:34:17I would just automatically call an ambulance, because I wouldn't want to get

0:34:17 > 0:34:24involved with it too much, because I've learnt from when my mum got involved with it.

0:34:39 > 0:34:42I don't think that it clicked in straight away.

0:34:42 > 0:34:44I said, "No way can this be true."

0:34:44 > 0:34:48And then, obviously, as time goes on and stuff, it gets more real.

0:34:48 > 0:34:50At the funeral, it got real.

0:34:52 > 0:34:56Like, seeing all your friends all suited up, it should be for a wedding, not a funeral.

0:35:00 > 0:35:02Purple, that was his favourite colour, wasn't it?

0:35:02 > 0:35:05I used to say to him,

0:35:05 > 0:35:07like, "Why do you like purple?

0:35:07 > 0:35:10"That's a girlie colour." But he's like, "No, that's my colour."

0:35:10 > 0:35:12It's always been his colour.

0:35:22 > 0:35:25It was a no-win situation, really.

0:35:25 > 0:35:29If I went to the funeral, it was, "What's he doing there?"

0:35:29 > 0:35:32You know? If I didn't go, it's,

0:35:32 > 0:35:36"Huh, couldn't give a damn. Couldn't care less," you know?

0:35:40 > 0:35:42So why did you go?

0:35:42 > 0:35:43To show my respect.

0:35:43 > 0:35:45For his family.

0:35:45 > 0:35:48I've got nothing to hide.

0:35:48 > 0:35:51Got no axe to grind.

0:35:53 > 0:35:55As a kid, what do you know about Shevon?

0:35:55 > 0:35:59Until I saw his picture in the papers, I didn't know who he was.

0:36:01 > 0:36:03He was always quite quiet.

0:36:03 > 0:36:08Very shy. And me and my sister, we used to tease him all the time.

0:36:09 > 0:36:15I think out of his friends sometimes he was quite a positive role model, and it definitely shows that in

0:36:15 > 0:36:20some of the tributes that they wrote once he passed away, that they looked up to him, I think.

0:36:20 > 0:36:27I don't know, someone would say, "Oh, I've seen a car down there and the door's open, blah di blah."

0:36:27 > 0:36:30Some of them would be like, "Yeah, come on, let's go,"

0:36:30 > 0:36:33but he would've been one of them to say, "No, I can't be bothered with that shit."

0:36:33 > 0:36:36Just the same as me and a couple of the others.

0:36:37 > 0:36:40He was basically setting his life up good, cos he had a moped

0:36:40 > 0:36:44and his apprenticeship that would've led to good money.

0:36:44 > 0:36:48He used to talk about it all the time, like working on the coaches, working on buses,

0:36:48 > 0:36:50and he actually liked it.

0:36:51 > 0:36:55All I got is good memories, and they'll always live with me.

0:36:56 > 0:36:57Always.

0:36:58 > 0:37:02Like, I'll never forget the time over the park when we were playing

0:37:02 > 0:37:07football and he said to me, "I bet you I'll volley this ball

0:37:07 > 0:37:09"over there all the way to hit the crossbar,"

0:37:09 > 0:37:12and I said, "You're not doing that first time,"

0:37:12 > 0:37:14and he's like, "Do you wanna bet?"

0:37:14 > 0:37:20So I flicked the ball to him, flicked up to him, and he just whacked it, and it went... Hit the crossbar.

0:37:20 > 0:37:25I was like, "Never!" He's running round the park like, "Yeah!"

0:37:25 > 0:37:27I was just laughing my head off.

0:37:27 > 0:37:31I was like, "You could never do that again in a million years."

0:37:58 > 0:38:00David's the chunky one.

0:38:00 > 0:38:04- He's the one kneeling with his nappy on.- In the pool.

0:38:04 > 0:38:05He gets clobbered in a minute.

0:38:05 > 0:38:08This is when we realised there was something wrong with David.

0:38:08 > 0:38:14He wasn't interacting like the other kids and he wouldn't necessarily talk to you.

0:38:14 > 0:38:16He'd squeal at you.

0:38:16 > 0:38:19But different squeals meant different things to him.

0:38:19 > 0:38:22Right, you'll see his special wave now. See it?

0:38:22 > 0:38:24Oh, bless him, look at him.

0:38:24 > 0:38:25That's when he wanted something.

0:38:40 > 0:38:43I'd say when he started school, when he were five...

0:38:45 > 0:38:47..that's when I really noticed it,

0:38:47 > 0:38:50cos it was a nightmare.

0:38:50 > 0:38:54At the beginning it was bad behaviour, bad parenting.

0:38:54 > 0:38:56Then they realised that it was nothing to do with that,

0:38:56 > 0:39:02it was something to do with David, so we had to go to Westcotes House and he had to be monitored.

0:39:02 > 0:39:10And they were the ones who said autistic spectrum disorder, but they weren't sure which one it was.

0:39:10 > 0:39:13He used to come and go, "They're calling me half a brain again, Mum."

0:39:13 > 0:39:16They used to go like that to him. Half a brain.

0:39:16 > 0:39:19I mean, he hardly ever went out, did he?

0:39:19 > 0:39:22I think about three times he went out.

0:39:22 > 0:39:25After the third attempt was obviously when he got killed.

0:39:25 > 0:39:29How long's it been now since David died?

0:39:29 > 0:39:31Eight weeks yesterday.

0:39:34 > 0:39:36So it's just dragging on.

0:39:37 > 0:39:42- Dragging on? - Well, yeah, because obviously they've still not released his body.

0:39:47 > 0:39:49First impressions I saw, it's a stabbing.

0:39:49 > 0:39:52I turned him and there was nothing there.

0:39:52 > 0:39:54I just couldn't understand it.

0:39:54 > 0:39:57Every day is a struggle for me.

0:39:57 > 0:39:59I don't sleep at night now.

0:39:59 > 0:40:00I don't sleep whatsoever.

0:40:03 > 0:40:06I can't sleep, because all I can see is my boy on the floor.

0:40:11 > 0:40:13HE SOBS

0:40:13 > 0:40:15I just want my boy back.

0:40:20 > 0:40:23Heidi? Have you got a second?

0:40:23 > 0:40:26- Have you got some diazepam, please? - Yeah.

0:40:37 > 0:40:40I just wish I could turn me head off.

0:40:43 > 0:40:47You have to calm yourself down, cos you won't let your kids see you like that.

0:40:47 > 0:40:49I know. That's right.

0:40:49 > 0:40:52You'll have to go in the other room and sort yourself out.

0:40:52 > 0:40:55- Don't let the kids see you, please. - I know. I can't help it, though.

0:40:55 > 0:40:57Do you want a drink of water?

0:40:57 > 0:40:59Please.

0:40:59 > 0:41:02'Clive, he's completely switched off.'

0:41:02 > 0:41:04He can't cope with it at all.

0:41:06 > 0:41:08He's getting bad nightmares.

0:41:08 > 0:41:11He's getting flashbacks of what happened down there.

0:41:11 > 0:41:16He really needs to speak to someone, to be honest with you.

0:41:16 > 0:41:17Thank you.

0:41:18 > 0:41:20How about you?

0:41:20 > 0:41:23I don't really know what I need or what I want.

0:41:23 > 0:41:27I'm just confused, I think, with all what's going on.

0:41:27 > 0:41:30It's a new situation. You don't know what to do, do you?

0:41:30 > 0:41:32I've never been here before. I don't know.

0:41:33 > 0:41:35So I haven't got a clue.

0:41:36 > 0:41:39All I know is these boys have been bailed.

0:41:39 > 0:41:44They've got no bail conditions set against them, so they can come and go as they please.

0:41:46 > 0:41:48- How do you feel about that?- Angry.

0:41:50 > 0:41:53So what happens now?

0:41:54 > 0:41:58I'm waiting on the police to get back to me to see what's happening there.

0:41:58 > 0:42:01Obviously, I'm waiting for the coroner to release his body.

0:42:01 > 0:42:03So it's just a waiting game, really.

0:42:03 > 0:42:08Waiting by the phone or me door to knock, so I know some more, to be honest with you.

0:42:11 > 0:42:16I initially got told it'd be 10 to 12 weeks before David would be released.

0:42:16 > 0:42:1810 or 12 weeks went.

0:42:18 > 0:42:21Then I got told there needed to be another autopsy

0:42:21 > 0:42:24and I actually had a go at the family liaison officer,

0:42:24 > 0:42:27accused her of lying to me about how long it was going to take.

0:42:27 > 0:42:31She made a few phone calls and come down to my house, and she says,

0:42:31 > 0:42:34"We can actually give you David, if you want him."

0:42:34 > 0:42:37I'm like, "Fine, fine. When are you going to release him?"

0:42:37 > 0:42:38She goes, "That's the thing.

0:42:38 > 0:42:42"We can release him, but we can't release his brain."

0:42:42 > 0:42:44And I was like, "You're having a laugh."

0:42:44 > 0:42:47I says, "No, my son comes complete with me.

0:42:47 > 0:42:49"I'm not having him incomplete."

0:42:49 > 0:42:53So when I finally got the phone call that they were releasing David,

0:42:53 > 0:42:55that was why it was so traumatic.

0:42:57 > 0:42:59How long had they kept him for?

0:42:59 > 0:43:01Seven and half months.

0:43:01 > 0:43:06- Seven and a half months you've been waiting?- Yeah. Yeah.

0:43:06 > 0:43:11So, from... Yeah, seven and half now, today.

0:43:11 > 0:43:14Were you given any reason why they kept him for so long?

0:43:14 > 0:43:17Because of all the medical tests they needed to do.

0:43:17 > 0:43:19But why did that take so long?

0:43:19 > 0:43:24Because, in total, he had to have three autopsies and postmortems.

0:43:32 > 0:43:36Do you think this day will make a difference for you as a family now?

0:43:36 > 0:43:39I think it's more accepting it.

0:43:39 > 0:43:44To be honest with you, I think it's more about accepting it's happened and he has gone,

0:43:44 > 0:43:46because it doesn't feel real.

0:43:46 > 0:43:51Maybe this is what we need, you know, to wake us up a bit, I think.

0:43:53 > 0:43:55Oh, my God. Look at you.

0:43:57 > 0:43:59How are you?

0:43:59 > 0:44:01TEARFULLY: Better for seeing you.

0:44:03 > 0:44:06I'm still not coping with everyone around me, though.

0:44:06 > 0:44:10I'm afraid you're going to have to, for today.

0:44:10 > 0:44:12Will you be all right with that?

0:44:12 > 0:44:14Yeah, that'll be fine.

0:44:14 > 0:44:17Oh...for God's sake.

0:44:23 > 0:44:26- I can't look at the car. - Take a deep breath.- I have done.

0:44:26 > 0:44:29- You'll be fine.- It's all right.

0:44:31 > 0:44:33Come on, then, Clive.

0:44:33 > 0:44:35It's the last thing he needs us to do for him.

0:44:35 > 0:44:39Right, this is Billy, David's friend.

0:44:39 > 0:44:43Would you look after him, because I'm going to put him in your car with you, OK?

0:44:43 > 0:44:46Stay with Lyn and Bob.

0:44:46 > 0:44:49Lyn, Bob, Kirsty, Simon and Billy,

0:44:49 > 0:44:52all in the third car.

0:45:03 > 0:45:06- What would be justice for you? - They're punished for it.

0:45:06 > 0:45:08What kind of punishment?

0:45:08 > 0:45:10Prison.

0:45:11 > 0:45:17Anything. Just to prove that they did do it, and then I can grieve for me son, then.

0:45:19 > 0:45:22- Because you don't think you have yet?- I haven't even started.

0:45:42 > 0:45:45It was a long, hot, warm night.

0:45:45 > 0:45:51It was quite a busy night. Then I noticed there was a few that I didn't really know.

0:45:51 > 0:45:54We had some young people come in to play round the pool table.

0:45:54 > 0:45:59My grandad was on his perch, if you like, and he asked them for ID,

0:45:59 > 0:46:04and because not all of them had ID, he said they couldn't come in.

0:46:04 > 0:46:08So I said, "Well, look, it's my license, it's my pub,

0:46:08 > 0:46:12"I don't have to let you in and I don't have to give you a reason,

0:46:12 > 0:46:18"but I WILL give you a reason - because there's too many of you and you're too young."

0:46:18 > 0:46:23They didn't disperse like my grandad thought they would, just move on to the next pub.

0:46:23 > 0:46:26They were hanging around outside on the street,

0:46:26 > 0:46:32and then more and more younger kids were coming along

0:46:32 > 0:46:35and it just escalates.

0:46:35 > 0:46:37This forecourt was covered in bikes.

0:46:37 > 0:46:39They dumped their bikes here.

0:46:39 > 0:46:42There were a couple leaning against the car,

0:46:42 > 0:46:45and the chap that's been arrested

0:46:45 > 0:46:47went over to them and said,

0:46:47 > 0:46:50"Come on, you know, don't lean on the car.

0:46:50 > 0:46:52"What's the matter with you?"

0:46:54 > 0:46:58I know that there was a small exchange of words outside the pub,

0:46:58 > 0:47:03and that Shevon had been asked to move off the landlord's car in a rude way.

0:47:03 > 0:47:06You know, can you effing move off of the car?

0:47:06 > 0:47:09Shev has obviously said summat back.

0:47:09 > 0:47:11He might've said, "Oh, shut the fuck up.

0:47:11 > 0:47:15"You don't have to speak to me like I'm a prick," whatever he said back to him.

0:47:15 > 0:47:18So I said, "Leave it, leave it, leave it."

0:47:18 > 0:47:19That was basically it, then.

0:47:19 > 0:47:22That was that. He got off the car.

0:47:22 > 0:47:25About an hour later, we're all leaning back on the car, innit?

0:47:25 > 0:47:32So then he come back out again, but this time he come like he wanted to fight, man.

0:47:32 > 0:47:36- And then what? - And then the guy left.

0:47:36 > 0:47:38And then the guy come back.

0:47:38 > 0:47:44My man come back in black hoodie, black tracksuit bottoms, hood up

0:47:44 > 0:47:45and a shank.

0:47:45 > 0:47:50And approached Shevon, and we were told that he put his arm around him

0:47:50 > 0:47:55as though he was going to whisper something in his ear, and that's when he stabbed him.

0:47:55 > 0:47:59I rolled over, I'm like, "Shev, did he just shank you?"

0:47:59 > 0:48:04Shev's lifted up his top, innit, looked down and he's like, "Yeah."

0:48:04 > 0:48:06So then that's when I just went nuts, innit.

0:48:06 > 0:48:09Just picked up my bike, started running towards him.

0:48:09 > 0:48:11Chucked it in his face.

0:48:11 > 0:48:15So even if my mind was telling me,

0:48:15 > 0:48:20"No, don't go near him, he got a knife in his hand and he just stabbed your friend,"

0:48:20 > 0:48:25my body was still telling me, "Do it," so I done it, innit.

0:48:25 > 0:48:30And then one of my brother's friends stood on his hand and disarmed him, actually.

0:48:30 > 0:48:34And he dropped the knife, and then that's when all the rest of the men come over.

0:48:34 > 0:48:36And the next thing I know,

0:48:36 > 0:48:40my grandson comes running in from the front room, "Nan, Nan, quick!

0:48:40 > 0:48:43"All hell's broke loose outside."

0:48:43 > 0:48:48Because I'm a member of St John Ambulance, it all just kicked in.

0:48:48 > 0:48:54At first I was only aware of one person who'd been injured, so that's who I ran to.

0:48:54 > 0:48:58And by the time my Sam got to him, they were still beating him up.

0:48:58 > 0:49:05This kid was stood above me screaming, "Let the bastard die,"

0:49:05 > 0:49:08with this breeze block in his hands,

0:49:08 > 0:49:10going to chuck it down on his head.

0:49:10 > 0:49:14I honestly thought that breeze block was going to come down on his head there and then.

0:49:14 > 0:49:18I think it was Jamie, he was still hitting the guy and stuff

0:49:18 > 0:49:22when the police pulled up, jumped out of the car and ran over to him.

0:49:22 > 0:49:25He didn't care, basically, what happened that night.

0:49:25 > 0:49:27He just wanted to hurt the guy.

0:49:27 > 0:49:31What would you do if your friend passed away in front of your eyes,

0:49:31 > 0:49:34and you see the man walking up the road like he hadn't done nothing?

0:49:34 > 0:49:36You were arrested for...?

0:49:36 > 0:49:43Basically wounding with intent on the other man, on the man who stabbed Shev.

0:49:43 > 0:49:44Cos we stopped him.

0:49:44 > 0:49:50I then got called over by my grandad to say there was another casualty.

0:49:50 > 0:49:53I could see that one person was on the floor. As I know now, it was Shevon.

0:49:53 > 0:49:57My Sam went running over to him.

0:49:57 > 0:50:01A lot of people were shouting, "He's been stabbed, he's been stabbed."

0:50:01 > 0:50:05This young girl was holding him and crying, and I said,

0:50:05 > 0:50:08"I'm a first-aider, let me have a look, see what's happening."

0:50:08 > 0:50:11You could see there was blood coming from his shirt,

0:50:11 > 0:50:16and it was coming out pink and frothy, which meant a puncture to the lung.

0:50:16 > 0:50:21As I tried to pull him around from sitting up onto the floor

0:50:21 > 0:50:25to start chest compressions, cos he wasn't breathing,

0:50:25 > 0:50:27it was a bit traumatic for everyone.

0:50:27 > 0:50:30I don't think people knew what I was trying to do.

0:50:30 > 0:50:32They thought I was trying to maybe hurt him again.

0:50:32 > 0:50:34And they were screaming at him.

0:50:34 > 0:50:37They were screaming, "Leave him alone. Leave him alone."

0:50:37 > 0:50:42So I think that's why I was pushed away and people were getting violent with me.

0:50:42 > 0:50:47Some guy had come out to help our mate, who was wounded, yeah,

0:50:47 > 0:50:54cos he knew first aid, but he said that we wouldn't let him get to the boy, cos we were going so mad.

0:50:54 > 0:50:56We told him, if you come near him...

0:50:56 > 0:51:01If that was the case, why was everyone screaming?

0:51:01 > 0:51:03They didn't run to Shev, they ran to him, innit.

0:51:03 > 0:51:06So I returned over to the other gentleman.

0:51:06 > 0:51:11I didn't realise who it was until I cleared up some of the blood,

0:51:11 > 0:51:14and I was a bit in shock when I realised it was somebody I knew.

0:51:18 > 0:51:20He says, "Nan, it's Sam."

0:51:20 > 0:51:22He says, "Action Man."

0:51:22 > 0:51:26Right? And I says, "No, what's he doing here?"

0:51:26 > 0:51:29Cos I'd seen him go home.

0:52:45 > 0:52:50I remember the press saying something about a Facebook row leading to gang violence.

0:52:50 > 0:52:52And I just thought, gang violence?

0:52:52 > 0:52:56Hello! This was a one-on-one thing. In fact, it wasn't even one-on-one.

0:52:56 > 0:52:59It was just someone decided to take a life.

0:53:09 > 0:53:10This is Salum's video. He was dancing.

0:53:13 > 0:53:16Salum was born in Tanzania.

0:53:16 > 0:53:18His mum also, obviously.

0:53:18 > 0:53:24And eventually she'd gone back to Tanzania and he just wanted to stay.

0:53:24 > 0:53:28People come into your life for a reason,

0:53:28 > 0:53:32and in this case, he came into our life

0:53:32 > 0:53:38because he needed a family, so we were his family - that's it.

0:53:43 > 0:53:46He was very serious about where his life was going to go,

0:53:46 > 0:53:50in terms of a career and his education and stuff like that,

0:53:50 > 0:53:56so he was aware that he'd have more of a chance, more opportunities...

0:53:56 > 0:53:59- Over here. - ..in this country, than in Tanzania.

0:54:04 > 0:54:06There was a lot of friends that Salum did have, anyway,

0:54:06 > 0:54:12but he had about four or five boys that he was so close with, you know,

0:54:12 > 0:54:16and I know that this boy was one of them.

0:54:23 > 0:54:26When I see him today, I'm going to be thinking,

0:54:26 > 0:54:29how can you say you're not guilty?

0:54:29 > 0:54:33Number one, you said you was. Number two, everybody knows you done it.

0:54:33 > 0:54:35You didn't do it in secret.

0:54:35 > 0:54:38You done it in front of people, you know?

0:54:38 > 0:54:40Now you want to say that you didn't murder him?

0:54:40 > 0:54:43So they're going to try and say it's manslaughter. It's murder.

0:54:43 > 0:54:46It's murder, through and through. It's murder.

0:54:46 > 0:54:48It's cold-blooded killing.

0:54:48 > 0:54:51Oh, I feel sick, honestly.

0:54:52 > 0:54:55My stomach's turning.

0:54:55 > 0:54:58Me, personally, I think the judge should give him to me,

0:54:58 > 0:55:01because if I've got him, I know exactly what I'll do.

0:55:01 > 0:55:04I'd probably put him in a chair, tie him up like I saw on that film,

0:55:04 > 0:55:08stick two metal rods in his legs and hook him up to the electricity,

0:55:08 > 0:55:11and every now and then, I'd switch my light on and off.

0:55:11 > 0:55:14That's what I'd probably do to him. Honestly.

0:55:18 > 0:55:20You've never been in court before?

0:55:20 > 0:55:24This is probably the highest court in the land.

0:55:24 > 0:55:27The important thing is that

0:55:27 > 0:55:31the young man that murdered your child will be in court, as well.

0:55:31 > 0:55:33He'll be standing there.

0:55:33 > 0:55:37What you mustn't do is to try and show any emotions.

0:55:37 > 0:55:40- OK.- If you get tearful, then, please, you must leave,

0:55:40 > 0:55:43because that might influence the jury, in some respect.

0:55:43 > 0:55:46- Do you understand?- I do. - I can see you getting upset now.

0:55:46 > 0:55:52- Sorry.- Don't worry.- Sorry.- It's OK. - It's OK, it's understandable.

0:55:52 > 0:55:56I know it's going to be very difficult for you, but Enrica's here to support you.

0:55:56 > 0:56:02I'm here to support you. That's what my job is to do. OK?

0:56:04 > 0:56:10This boy had made a comment to Salum and, you know, it wasn't nice.

0:56:10 > 0:56:14He was really acting like he was some big, big man.

0:56:14 > 0:56:18Tough, and, you know, like he's some gangster,

0:56:18 > 0:56:22and Salum just answered him with, like, one word,

0:56:22 > 0:56:23like, just called him a pussy.

0:56:23 > 0:56:26These young boys, you call them a word like that,

0:56:26 > 0:56:30you know, they take it to such great offence.

0:56:30 > 0:56:33It's just like, "It's the worst thing you could ever say to me."

0:56:33 > 0:56:40It got to him so much that he looked at his friend,

0:56:40 > 0:56:47turned around and then he hugged him and then pushed the knife in.

0:56:53 > 0:56:58He made a statement saying Salum was his friend, his closest friend,

0:56:58 > 0:57:02and he thought Salum was going to stab him.

0:57:02 > 0:57:05So, Salum was looking at him dodgy.

0:57:05 > 0:57:07Because Salum was looking at him dodgy,

0:57:07 > 0:57:13he's decided to take out a knife and killed him first with a knife.

0:57:13 > 0:57:15And he's sorry.

0:57:15 > 0:57:17And he loved him.

0:57:17 > 0:57:19Oh, my gosh.

0:57:19 > 0:57:22- So he says.- I'm sorry.- So he says.

0:57:22 > 0:57:26There's a lot of smiling going on between him and his family,

0:57:26 > 0:57:28so, yeah, that pisses me off.

0:57:30 > 0:57:34It's like none of them actually care. That's what's really making me angry.

0:57:34 > 0:57:37I know that's their family in that dock,

0:57:37 > 0:57:43I understand that his mum loves him, no matter what, but...

0:57:44 > 0:57:46..we ain't got Salum any more.

0:57:46 > 0:57:48Do you know what I mean?

0:57:51 > 0:57:57I remember seeing the tent where his body was

0:57:57 > 0:58:01and it was just...it was quiet.

0:58:01 > 0:58:08The light from the DLR station, for some reason it just seemed... the place seemed orange.

0:58:12 > 0:58:18And just saying to myself, 12 hours ago he was alive.

0:58:18 > 0:58:21Today...I happen to know

0:58:21 > 0:58:27that it's been, what, 246 days.

0:58:27 > 0:58:28I always count.

0:58:34 > 0:58:36He went down.

0:58:36 > 0:58:39He's going down. Murder.

0:58:39 > 0:58:41He got convicted of murder.

0:58:41 > 0:58:43So I'm crying cos I'm happy.

0:58:43 > 0:58:46THEY CHEER

0:58:46 > 0:58:47My sister!

0:58:51 > 0:58:54Oh, my God, I'm so happy.

0:58:54 > 0:58:57Are you happy, babe?

0:58:57 > 0:59:02- Go on, man, talk.- I'm so happy. - I'm happy.- Too happy.

0:59:02 > 0:59:05At least the world knows now he's guilty of murder.

0:59:05 > 0:59:09He's actually a murderer. He is officially a murderer.

0:59:09 > 0:59:11- Mwah!- Mwah!

0:59:11 > 0:59:13ALL: Mwah!

0:59:15 > 0:59:18He'll come out of prison one day, eventually,

0:59:18 > 0:59:23and if he goes for a job, on that application form,

0:59:23 > 0:59:26it's going to ask him, have you ever been convicted?

0:59:26 > 0:59:28He has to say yes.

0:59:28 > 0:59:32When they ask him, "What was you convicted of?", he has to say murder.

0:59:32 > 0:59:35He can't even say, "Oh, it was just a little something."

0:59:35 > 0:59:37It's murder. He took a life.

0:59:37 > 0:59:41You know, wherever he goes, his name is tarnished.

0:59:43 > 0:59:44There's the van.

0:59:44 > 0:59:46He's going. He's going. Look.

0:59:46 > 0:59:50Stupid boy is going. Prison now.

0:59:52 > 0:59:54THEY CHEER

0:59:54 > 0:59:56THEY LAUGH

1:00:08 > 1:00:12In other news, police in Bristol are continuing to question

1:00:12 > 1:00:15a 23-year-old man on suspicion of the murder of a teenage boy.

1:00:15 > 1:00:20Shevon Wilson was stabbed in the chest during a fight...

1:00:32 > 1:00:34How old is he? 23, 24?

1:00:34 > 1:00:36How long have we known him?

1:00:36 > 1:00:3821 years.

1:00:38 > 1:00:40Since he was a little two-year-old.

1:00:40 > 1:00:42Coming in with his dad and the dogs.

1:00:42 > 1:00:48We've been told by people that knew of him that he kept himself to himself.

1:00:48 > 1:00:53That he was a bit of a loner and that he kept ferrets and that he enjoyed hunting with his ferrets.

1:00:53 > 1:00:55He loved his ferrets.

1:00:55 > 1:01:00The first thing he would have done when he got home was gone and fed and watered his ferrets.

1:01:00 > 1:01:03I was just looking at him, like, who is he?

1:01:03 > 1:01:05Like, really, no-one knows him.

1:01:05 > 1:01:07He'd go hunting, shooting, fishing.

1:01:07 > 1:01:10Go out on Dartmoor, Exmoor.

1:01:10 > 1:01:12Go for a week camping.

1:01:12 > 1:01:18I've heard he's lived round by that pub area for many years,

1:01:18 > 1:01:23but, to be honest, I've never heard of this guy before. Never saw him.

1:01:23 > 1:01:27He quite often used to wear a camouflage T-shirt,

1:01:27 > 1:01:29and very close-cropped hair.

1:01:29 > 1:01:32Very smart. Very clean.

1:01:32 > 1:01:34And he was like that.

1:01:36 > 1:01:39And the kids nicknamed him Action Man.

1:01:39 > 1:01:42Little Action Man, cos he's only small, anyway.

1:02:11 > 1:02:16It made me so proud of Steven, when I see all them people turn up for Steven.

1:02:16 > 1:02:23Yeah. And in the paper, it said it was the biggest funeral that Newham's ever seen,

1:02:23 > 1:02:26and I just think that all these people came for my boy.

1:02:26 > 1:02:28That shows how special he was.

1:02:30 > 1:02:34# Amazing Grace

1:02:34 > 1:02:39# How sweet the sound

1:02:39 > 1:02:47# That saved a wretch like me... #

1:02:47 > 1:02:51That's when he was little, when he was a baby,

1:02:51 > 1:02:56and then he was about four there, at a little park thing.

1:02:56 > 1:02:59# I once was lost

1:02:59 > 1:03:04# But now am found

1:03:04 > 1:03:11# Was blind, but now I see... #

1:03:11 > 1:03:17He's seven and she must be eight, and he must four, five,

1:03:17 > 1:03:20and this was... He was 13 here.

1:03:20 > 1:03:23This is when he was in with me in Ilford.

1:03:23 > 1:03:26That was the last picture we had taken of him.

1:03:26 > 1:03:34# T'was grace that brought me thus far

1:03:34 > 1:03:40# And grace will carry me home. #

1:03:42 > 1:03:46What was Steven's situation at the time that he was stabbed?

1:03:48 > 1:03:49His situation?

1:03:51 > 1:03:55He was on a supervision order, which had two weeks.

1:03:55 > 1:03:57It finished when he was 16.

1:03:57 > 1:04:01And he was coming back to live with me in my house in Ilford.

1:04:01 > 1:04:05He was, like, beginning to realise that getting into trouble weren't the way,

1:04:05 > 1:04:09and he was knuckling down and behaving himself.

1:04:10 > 1:04:13But he never had a chance.

1:04:13 > 1:04:19He never had a chance to, you know, to get where he was going, because of them boys.

1:04:23 > 1:04:28I remember when I was younger. I knew all my friends was going somewhere and I weren't allowed to go,

1:04:28 > 1:04:29I sneaked out my window and gone.

1:04:29 > 1:04:33You know, everybody is going to be there, and that's why Steven went.

1:04:40 > 1:04:45The party that Steven went to was an awareness on knife and gun crime,

1:04:45 > 1:04:50and the impact it has on people's lives.

1:04:50 > 1:04:55Not just the people that do it, or the victims, but their families,

1:04:55 > 1:04:59and they found 23 knives in that one night.

1:05:02 > 1:05:0523.

1:05:05 > 1:05:11And who goes to an event on awareness on knife crime and carries knives?

1:05:16 > 1:05:18My boy never stood a chance against them boys.

1:05:18 > 1:05:22There was about 25, 30 boys around him.

1:05:22 > 1:05:26I try not to think about that, to tell you the truth, because...

1:05:26 > 1:05:32that makes me think what his last couple of minutes... What was he going through?

1:05:35 > 1:05:37So scared.

1:05:43 > 1:05:46This is Steven's property.

1:05:46 > 1:05:51There is a chain here that's very important to Sharon, and it's his property that was with him

1:05:51 > 1:05:57on the night, and it's getting returned to Sharon today at the conclusion of this trial.

1:05:57 > 1:05:58Hello, Sharon. It's Andy.

1:05:58 > 1:06:01Where are you?

1:06:01 > 1:06:03All right, then. Coming now.

1:06:03 > 1:06:06I'm going to go and meet my liaison officer.

1:06:09 > 1:06:11- Are they over there for us?- No.

1:06:11 > 1:06:16Probably not. Who cares about a 15-year-old black boy being killed?

1:06:16 > 1:06:19Nobody cares, really. Apart from their family.

1:06:21 > 1:06:24To other people, it's nothing, it's just a couple of photos

1:06:26 > 1:06:29and a phone, and, you know, but to me,

1:06:29 > 1:06:33it's Steven. You know, it's the last things he had on him.

1:06:35 > 1:06:39- Photo ID.- I want them. - You want that? Of course you do.

1:06:41 > 1:06:45- Set of headphones, do you want that? - Yeah. Yeah.

1:06:46 > 1:06:48Can we see that? Is that mine, yeah?

1:06:50 > 1:06:55Because of the treatment of the clothing Steven had on, we keep that and we dispose of that.

1:06:55 > 1:06:56All right?

1:06:57 > 1:07:01As it says here, it was bloodstained,

1:07:01 > 1:07:03so we've tried to obviously...

1:07:03 > 1:07:05deal with it as best we can.

1:07:05 > 1:07:08Peter is saying he bought it for Steven.

1:07:08 > 1:07:13You're saying it's Steven's, but it's going to trial, isn't it, so I don't want any issues with you lot.

1:07:13 > 1:07:17I got him that chain for his birthday, so I wanted to

1:07:17 > 1:07:21give that chain to my other son, to Steven's little brother, Troy.

1:07:21 > 1:07:24So the police, they cleaned it up for me,

1:07:24 > 1:07:29and Steven was so pleased with that chain. He really was happy with it,

1:07:29 > 1:07:31and I wanted to give it to Troy.

1:07:31 > 1:07:34I know Troy will look after it.

1:07:34 > 1:07:39Right, if you could sign there to say you've had that property back.

1:07:39 > 1:07:42All right? And that's your property.

1:07:43 > 1:07:48To think, you know, for 16 years, you got this little boy

1:07:48 > 1:07:53and, you know...and there's nothing to show for it, really, is there?

1:07:53 > 1:07:55There's nothing to show.

1:08:10 > 1:08:12This is Shev's room.

1:08:16 > 1:08:22And as you can see, for a boy, he kept it quite immaculate, I think.

1:08:24 > 1:08:26He welded this

1:08:26 > 1:08:31when he was doing his apprenticeship at the car garage.

1:08:31 > 1:08:36And he done a really good job of it, so they mounted it on a piece of wood and gave it to him.

1:08:36 > 1:08:42So he was quite proud of that, so we've kept it up there in the windowsill.

1:08:43 > 1:08:45There's some photos in here.

1:08:47 > 1:08:50That was us, actually, when we were younger.

1:08:50 > 1:08:53That's me, Shevon and Deana.

1:08:53 > 1:08:56So you've not looked through these since?

1:08:56 > 1:08:59No, I haven't, actually.

1:08:59 > 1:09:01There's his Primark badge,

1:09:01 > 1:09:05when he had his weekend job at Primark.

1:09:05 > 1:09:09- Bless him.- This is all Shev's stuff when he was younger.

1:09:09 > 1:09:15Oh, let me see, there's toys from the Early Learning Centre, that was all his little things, toys and that.

1:09:19 > 1:09:20And the bus.

1:09:23 > 1:09:24This is a few of his Action Men.

1:09:24 > 1:09:28There is some more, but Kamara got them over his house.

1:09:28 > 1:09:36His Action Men, cos he got one that used to swim in the water, and there was one that was riding a bike.

1:09:36 > 1:09:39How is your mum?

1:09:39 > 1:09:42Um...

1:09:42 > 1:09:45She's getting better, but I think it'll take time.

1:09:45 > 1:09:47A lot of her grieving is coming out now.

1:09:47 > 1:09:49She's starting to grieve more now.

1:09:50 > 1:09:52And how are you today?

1:09:54 > 1:09:55Well...

1:09:57 > 1:10:00Quite empty, really.

1:10:00 > 1:10:01Yeah.

1:10:01 > 1:10:04I just...

1:10:04 > 1:10:06In limbo, really.

1:10:06 > 1:10:10I just walk in and out. Just do what I got to do.

1:10:10 > 1:10:11It just seems...

1:10:13 > 1:10:18Like when I look at photographs of Shevon and things like that,

1:10:18 > 1:10:22I look at him and say, "That's Shevon, that's my son." But I got no feeling.

1:10:22 > 1:10:27Because I got a feeling I don't think I've accepted Shevon's death, really.

1:10:28 > 1:10:30Because...

1:10:31 > 1:10:34..I just can't let go of what happened that night.

1:10:35 > 1:10:40I keep going over and over it, and I just keep going over the way his life was taken.

1:10:41 > 1:10:45The way it was taken and...

1:10:45 > 1:10:50The horrific way that somebody ended his life like that, by sticking that knife in his heart,

1:10:50 > 1:10:55because the heart, to me, got more meaning than just an organ that keeps us alive.

1:10:55 > 1:10:59I think the heart is like the centre of everything within us.

1:11:01 > 1:11:06I think I take his pain sometimes, just as though, like the knife's gone in me.

1:11:06 > 1:11:09And I feel in a situation where,

1:11:09 > 1:11:11when you're a mum,

1:11:11 > 1:11:17if your children are growing up, you can fix things if they fall down, but I can't fix nothing here.

1:11:17 > 1:11:19I can't fix what happened to Shevon.

1:11:19 > 1:11:25I can't fix this, and whatever way I think, I just can't bring him back.

1:11:25 > 1:11:27And he's never going to come back.

1:11:31 > 1:11:32I just get nightmares.

1:11:32 > 1:11:37I just get nightmares of my son's body drowning of blood

1:11:37 > 1:11:41outside that horrible pub.

1:11:41 > 1:11:44He shouldn't have died at all, but I would have much preferred

1:11:44 > 1:11:48that all his blood was over the hospital floor.

1:11:48 > 1:11:53And that he died in hospital and not out there in front of all those horrible people.

1:11:57 > 1:12:03And what I got a problem with at the moment, as well, what haunts me, is the grave. Every time I go there,

1:12:03 > 1:12:08I know Shevon's in there, you know, and I had this beautiful boy,

1:12:08 > 1:12:14and I just can't help how much his body has decayed, like, now.

1:12:14 > 1:12:18But I don't get that sense of feeling when I'm at the bench.

1:12:18 > 1:12:20So lately, I just haven't been anywhere.

1:12:20 > 1:12:23I haven't really been to the bench or the grave that much.

1:13:18 > 1:13:20I love this picture of him.

1:13:20 > 1:13:22He looks so innocent. See, football.

1:13:22 > 1:13:26Everything has to have a football on it for him.

1:13:26 > 1:13:29This was the first thing, when I got my flat, that I put up.

1:13:29 > 1:13:32Right here.

1:13:32 > 1:13:34Go to bed, I can see him,

1:13:34 > 1:13:38and then when I'm here, it's like he's looking directly at me.

1:13:38 > 1:13:43See, they're looking down, and then when I go over here,

1:13:43 > 1:13:45they come out.

1:13:45 > 1:13:47See, that's why I have to have him there.

1:13:47 > 1:13:50- They follow you round the room? - Yeah.

1:13:50 > 1:13:53He would come to the house and he would measure up to me.

1:13:53 > 1:13:57Yeah, about here. Yeah, and before he was like, "Jams, you all right?"

1:13:57 > 1:14:00and he used to hate it because we used to call him Small Jamzy.

1:14:00 > 1:14:03And, oh, my God, he was growing.

1:14:03 > 1:14:07Everyone says to him, Jamzy, you're growing. You're getting tall, Jamzy.

1:14:07 > 1:14:10And he's like, "Yeah, I'm growing."

1:14:10 > 1:14:14And now soon as he was growing, they just took him.

1:14:14 > 1:14:18Stupid boy just took you, Jamzy, from us.

1:14:27 > 1:14:31HE SINGS

1:14:36 > 1:14:41At one point, I was just so angry with God, because I don't understand why my brother had to die.

1:14:41 > 1:14:46He's got his whole life ahead of him, and he was actually parting the fight.

1:14:46 > 1:14:50He was helping somebody, so why did he die?

1:14:50 > 1:14:57Even if he got stabbed, why did it have to be so...so fatal?

1:14:57 > 1:15:01Why couldn't it have been just like, I don't know, a little slice,

1:15:01 > 1:15:05and he could get a couple of stitches and then...or he could be in hospital for a couple of weeks,

1:15:05 > 1:15:10or even if God was going to let him die, why not wait for us to get to him to say bye?

1:15:10 > 1:15:15Why someone like Jamzy had to die like that, I don't understand it.

1:15:32 > 1:15:34Good morning, people.

1:15:34 > 1:15:37Jams was my brother.

1:15:37 > 1:15:42I can see a lot of you kids, or as they like to be called,

1:15:42 > 1:15:48a lot of you youngers, are into a lot of things that you shouldn't be,

1:15:48 > 1:15:50but not my brother.

1:15:50 > 1:15:55Football gets played by most kids until a certain age,

1:15:55 > 1:16:03but when you get older you have to give up unless you are good, so most kids give up on your dreams.

1:16:03 > 1:16:05But not Jahmal. Not my brother.

1:16:17 > 1:16:19Lastly, to the kids,

1:16:19 > 1:16:21please stop the war.

1:16:21 > 1:16:23Leave the knives alone.

1:16:23 > 1:16:28Please, if not for yourself, if not for me, do it for my brother.

1:16:29 > 1:16:31APPLAUSE

1:16:37 > 1:16:40Sickening just thinking about it. It's just sickening.

1:16:40 > 1:16:44Two seconds away from death, he must have known he was going to die,

1:16:44 > 1:16:51and then no-one, not me, not my dad, not his mum, no faces that he knows, and he was screaming for my dad.

1:16:51 > 1:16:54He said, "I want my dad, I want my dad!"

1:16:54 > 1:16:59Every time I hold my neck I just think, "Oh, my God."

1:16:59 > 1:17:03It's so...such a vicious way to die.

1:17:03 > 1:17:07My dad just thinks his child just died like an animal.

1:17:07 > 1:17:11He just died like an animal on the floor.

1:17:11 > 1:17:18We are gathered here to weep over the death of yet another young child.

1:17:18 > 1:17:21I don't know about you, but I am frustrated.

1:17:23 > 1:17:26When will we cease standing here

1:17:26 > 1:17:32with a young person who should not be in a coffin there?

1:17:32 > 1:17:34Roy will tell you.

1:17:34 > 1:17:36Sandra will tell you. It's unnatural.

1:17:36 > 1:17:42I read the tribute from Roy. He said "Nobody knows, but God, how I feel.

1:17:42 > 1:17:46"I never thought I would be burying my son."

1:17:46 > 1:17:49It is unnatural for parents to bury their children.

1:17:52 > 1:17:54Let me tell you something.

1:17:54 > 1:17:59The power of change lies in the hands of the community.

1:17:59 > 1:18:01It lies in the hands of the people.

1:18:01 > 1:18:03Not the politicians.

1:18:06 > 1:18:07No-one else, but us.

1:18:08 > 1:18:14There is a disproportionate amount of black youth dying on the street and I am tired of it.

1:18:20 > 1:18:25My brothers and sisters, our funeral for Jahmal is drawing to a close.

1:18:25 > 1:18:28In a few moments' time, each and every one of us

1:18:28 > 1:18:33will have the opportunity to come and file past the coffin,

1:18:33 > 1:18:36and, friends, these are precious, precious moments.

1:18:38 > 1:18:41SCREAMING

1:18:47 > 1:18:51When the coffin was opened, we heard an absolute shriek.

1:18:51 > 1:18:54It was at that moment, really, where

1:18:54 > 1:18:58effectively, the boundaries somehow went.

1:19:04 > 1:19:07But there was a real sense of kind of mania outside.

1:19:07 > 1:19:09It was a real manic experience.

1:19:09 > 1:19:12The first I heard of it was when we were processing the coffin out and my colleague,

1:19:12 > 1:19:16Father David, said, you know, "Stop the procession, there's a fight going on."

1:19:22 > 1:19:24Get the kids away from here, man!

1:19:24 > 1:19:26Take your beef somewhere else.

1:19:26 > 1:19:29I'm not asking you. I'm telling you. Roll out.

1:19:29 > 1:19:33I was told that it's because there were some boys from E8,

1:19:33 > 1:19:38that apparently that shouldn't have been where we were, and where we was E9,

1:19:38 > 1:19:44and they're from E8 and it's literally like, E8 and E9 is, literally, the same place,

1:19:44 > 1:19:47and they was told not to come over there, and they came over there,

1:19:47 > 1:19:50so they wanted them to go back where they came from.

1:19:50 > 1:19:53These were boys who weren't there for the funeral?

1:19:53 > 1:19:58No, they was boys that weren't there for the funeral, came to fight the boys that was at the funeral.

1:19:58 > 1:20:00Isn't that sick?

1:20:03 > 1:20:06It kind of beggars belief. It really does.

1:20:06 > 1:20:10I find it so difficult to get my head around this, too.

1:20:10 > 1:20:14At one level, there is this talk of respect and, you know,

1:20:14 > 1:20:18don't disrespect me and all this sort of stuff,

1:20:18 > 1:20:25and at the same time, showing such a complete and utter lack of respect for a family who are grieving,

1:20:25 > 1:20:32for a community which is hurting, for close friends whose hearts are crying out in pain, and I just, you know,

1:20:32 > 1:20:34I just don't understand it.

1:20:49 > 1:20:52AGGRESSIVE SHOUTING

1:20:52 > 1:20:55Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you!

1:21:37 > 1:21:42The day that I went to court, it was just an awful experience.

1:21:42 > 1:21:45It was, you know, you feel really angry,

1:21:45 > 1:21:50and it's hard to remain dignified in a courtroom when you're, kind of,

1:21:50 > 1:21:54a few metres away from your brother's murderer.

1:21:54 > 1:21:59The victim's mother leaving court, still traumatised by her son's murder,

1:21:59 > 1:22:05but after his killer's sentencing, she mustered the strength to talk to reporters.

1:22:05 > 1:22:08Nothing in the world will bring back my son,

1:22:08 > 1:22:11but the conviction of the person responsible for ending his life

1:22:11 > 1:22:14may give us a feeling of justice, for all our sakes.

1:22:14 > 1:22:17Shevon Wilson was stabbed outside this pub

1:22:17 > 1:22:19in St George last September.

1:22:19 > 1:22:22He'd had an argument with 23-year-old Sam Lengfeld,

1:22:22 > 1:22:26who went home, put on a hoodie and picked up a kitchen knife,

1:22:26 > 1:22:30then returned to the pub, where he stabbed Wilson through the heart.

1:22:30 > 1:22:34The judge said it was a "cold, callous and calculated murder",

1:22:34 > 1:22:38ordering that Lengfeld must serve at least 17 years.

1:22:38 > 1:22:41He didn't say anything the whole time in court.

1:22:41 > 1:22:43Just that he pleaded guilty.

1:22:43 > 1:22:45That was it.

1:22:45 > 1:22:47- Did he look at you?- No.

1:22:47 > 1:22:49He didn't look at any of us.

1:22:49 > 1:22:54I'm absolutely stunned and numb at what he did,

1:22:54 > 1:22:57and I would love to know why he did it.

1:22:57 > 1:23:02Even if he has got an answer for why, it'll never be good enough.

1:23:02 > 1:23:05The only way I can see it getting even....

1:23:06 > 1:23:10..is if...he was dead,

1:23:10 > 1:23:15or someone he knows, someone he was close to, anyway.

1:23:15 > 1:23:17Just that's how I feel about it, innit?

1:23:19 > 1:23:25I don't reckon he knows the level of pain he's caused so many people.

1:23:25 > 1:23:27How long did he get?

1:23:27 > 1:23:2817 years.

1:23:29 > 1:23:31What do you think about that?

1:23:31 > 1:23:35Numb. You know.

1:23:35 > 1:23:39That a young man is locked up for 17 years, and one is dead.

1:23:42 > 1:23:46And another two are looking five to seven years for what they did.

1:23:54 > 1:23:57In a way, I don't really care,

1:23:57 > 1:23:59because, like...

1:23:59 > 1:24:03nothing can really get worse than what it is right about now.

1:24:03 > 1:24:08But... I do care because, obviously, I don't want to go to prison for

1:24:08 > 1:24:15a long time, for just basically defending myself and my friends.

1:24:15 > 1:24:16You know what I'm saying?

1:24:29 > 1:24:32Ladies and gentlemen, can I have your attention?

1:24:32 > 1:24:40I dedicate this song to my daughter, who was, you know, murdered by a nice human being.

1:24:40 > 1:24:43And I'm going to sing this song from my heart.

1:24:45 > 1:24:46Here I go.

1:24:48 > 1:24:50Elvis is in the building.

1:24:50 > 1:24:52Thank you very much.

1:24:52 > 1:24:55That's Jessica there.

1:24:55 > 1:24:57That's Lisa. Natalie.

1:24:57 > 1:24:59Anne Marie.

1:24:59 > 1:25:01Ashleigh and Marion.

1:25:01 > 1:25:03My five daughters.

1:25:03 > 1:25:05That's a bit of handful, Garry.

1:25:05 > 1:25:09Especially when you wanted a bath or a shower. They were in there before me.

1:25:09 > 1:25:12What's going on with your hair there, Garry?

1:25:12 > 1:25:13Well, I'm an Elvis Presley fan.

1:25:13 > 1:25:16And what about Jessica? Was she an Elvis fan?

1:25:16 > 1:25:18She always listened to me playing him.

1:25:18 > 1:25:21She used to watch me doing the moves.

1:25:21 > 1:25:25Sometimes I'd go like that. "Thank you very much."

1:25:28 > 1:25:33I always wanted a wee boy, but then a seven-year gap.

1:25:33 > 1:25:37I had a seven-year gap and we decided to try again,

1:25:37 > 1:25:39and, behold, Jessica.

1:25:52 > 1:25:56You'd always see them together, as a pair.

1:25:56 > 1:26:02It was always Jessica and Stuart. It wasn't just, like, Jessica or Stuart. It was Jessica and Stuart.

1:26:02 > 1:26:06- They were kind of inseparable? - Yeah.- Yeah.

1:26:06 > 1:26:09But then sometimes from standing back as Jessica's friend,

1:26:09 > 1:26:12you thought the arguments were going a bit too far

1:26:12 > 1:26:16and you could see it wasn't making her happy. Like, towards the end,

1:26:16 > 1:26:17she was always arguing.

1:26:17 > 1:26:21And what kind of stuff did they argue over?

1:26:21 > 1:26:23Everything.

1:26:23 > 1:26:25I don't know.

1:26:25 > 1:26:27She loved him.

1:26:27 > 1:26:31She did. Well, she told everybody she loved him, so...

1:26:33 > 1:26:36Love's blind, as they say, isn't it?

1:26:39 > 1:26:46On the night that it happened, Stuart went round to my mum and dad's house, 3.45am in the morning,

1:26:46 > 1:26:47banging on the door.

1:26:47 > 1:26:50My mum answered the door.

1:26:50 > 1:26:56My mum said he was sitting on the floor shaking, and my mum said to him, "What's wrong?

1:26:56 > 1:26:58"Where's Jessica?"

1:26:58 > 1:27:04And he just said, "Jessica's dead. Jessica's dead." And so my dad ran round...

1:27:06 > 1:27:08..to their flat.

1:27:09 > 1:27:11I've seen her lying there.

1:27:14 > 1:27:16I dragged her out.

1:27:22 > 1:27:24She spoke to me. She opened her eyes.

1:27:27 > 1:27:30Breathed into her mouth, to get some...

1:27:32 > 1:27:34I thought she was dead.

1:27:34 > 1:27:36But she opened her eyes and she said,

1:27:36 > 1:27:38"I love you, Daddy. I don't want to die."

1:27:38 > 1:27:42So we went straight up to the hospital.

1:27:42 > 1:27:43She was in the burns unit.

1:27:43 > 1:27:47And then the doctors come in and spoke to us,

1:27:47 > 1:27:50and they said that she wasn't going to make it.

1:27:56 > 1:27:59What do you know now about what he did on that night?

1:28:03 > 1:28:06I know he argued wi' her.

1:28:06 > 1:28:07Smashing the house up.

1:28:09 > 1:28:12Doing this and doing that,

1:28:12 > 1:28:14and dousing her with petrol.

1:28:16 > 1:28:20And locked the door. And let her burn alive.

1:28:22 > 1:28:24He poured petrol over her?

1:28:24 > 1:28:25Yeah.

1:28:27 > 1:28:33The forensic scientist had said that the smoke pattern in the bedroom

1:28:33 > 1:28:39was as though the bedroom door had been held shut,

1:28:39 > 1:28:41and she was standing

1:28:41 > 1:28:45at the bottom of the bed, in front of the door.

1:28:45 > 1:28:48Probably trying to get out.

1:28:48 > 1:28:53He held her in that fucking door and just heard her screaming.

1:28:53 > 1:28:59I'll never ever forgive him for what he did. I will never, never...

1:28:59 > 1:29:03She was such a lovely lassie.

1:29:12 > 1:29:16- I'm going to do this for Jessica. - I know you are. You'll do her proud.

1:29:16 > 1:29:22'Me dad, he goes to karaoke and does a bit of Elvis,'

1:29:22 > 1:29:28and he always says, "This song's for my baby, Jessica."

1:29:30 > 1:29:33# Oh-oh-oh...

1:29:35 > 1:29:39# Oh-oh-oh...

1:29:39 > 1:29:40# Oh, yeah

1:29:41 > 1:29:44# When no-one else can understand me

1:29:46 > 1:29:49# When everything I do is wrong

1:29:51 > 1:29:55# You give me hope and... #

1:29:56 > 1:29:58I can't do it.

1:29:58 > 1:30:00CROWD: # You give me strength To carry on

1:30:00 > 1:30:03# I guess I'll never know

1:30:03 > 1:30:06# The reason why... #

1:30:06 > 1:30:11'My routine in the morning is to get up at 7am. Go down the stair. Open the fridge.'

1:30:11 > 1:30:14# That's the wonder... #

1:30:14 > 1:30:16Psst. Can of beer.

1:30:16 > 1:30:21Sit and watch TV, and just chill out, then I wait till the pub's open at 11am.

1:30:21 > 1:30:27And straight down the pub and then back up the road for about 9pm or 10pm or something.

1:30:27 > 1:30:29Mangled.

1:30:33 > 1:30:35My wee baby.

1:30:37 > 1:30:39That's your last one!

1:30:39 > 1:30:41What?

1:30:41 > 1:30:44How do you think it's affected your dad?

1:30:44 > 1:30:45Horribly.

1:30:45 > 1:30:48He's just not himself.

1:30:49 > 1:30:54He's turned to drink to help him. Well, he thinks it's helping him.

1:30:54 > 1:30:56You needing a refill?

1:30:56 > 1:30:57Yeah.

1:30:58 > 1:31:00He's lost weight.

1:31:00 > 1:31:02He's always crying.

1:31:02 > 1:31:04Always.

1:31:04 > 1:31:08To start off with, he was always saying, "I want to be with Jessica.

1:31:08 > 1:31:12"She needs me. I'm going to be with Jessica."

1:31:12 > 1:31:15I just get flashbacks of that night.

1:31:15 > 1:31:20You know, as soon as I shut my eyes I can see Jessica lying there.

1:31:20 > 1:31:22Just the horror. Then hospital.

1:31:22 > 1:31:26Everything just gets mangled round and it's just like lying there,

1:31:26 > 1:31:31hospital, turn the machine off, buried. Know what I mean?

1:31:31 > 1:31:32Gone.

1:31:39 > 1:31:41Shattered.

1:32:07 > 1:32:10Basically, I pleaded not guilty to wounding with intent

1:32:10 > 1:32:16and to violent disorder, but pleaded guilty to affray.

1:32:16 > 1:32:19What kind of sentence could you be looking at?

1:32:21 > 1:32:26Maximum sentence for affray is three years, isn't it?

1:32:26 > 1:32:31I'd like to see the judge, see if he's got the guts to watch his friend get stabbed

1:32:31 > 1:32:34and try and take the knife off the person that stabbed him,

1:32:34 > 1:32:37see what he gets recognised for. He'd be a national hero.

1:32:37 > 1:32:44The Lord Lieutenant's award is a special award given for first aid action that is above and beyond

1:32:44 > 1:32:47the normal expectation of a first aider.

1:32:47 > 1:32:53Because of what I did, I didn't really see I'd done anything

1:32:53 > 1:32:58that anybody else wouldn't have done, but one of my superiors

1:32:58 > 1:33:01nominated me for an award for bravery.

1:33:01 > 1:33:07One had been stabbed in the lower chest. The other was being punched and kicked across the...

1:33:07 > 1:33:10I thought I was just going to get a mention, a certificate,

1:33:10 > 1:33:14but I won the Lord Lieutenant's Award for Bravery.

1:33:14 > 1:33:19For his courage, professionalism and compassion in dealing with this

1:33:19 > 1:33:23very serious incident, I present Sam Taylor.

1:33:23 > 1:33:26APPLAUSE

1:33:36 > 1:33:38As the different conversations went around,

1:33:38 > 1:33:41it was, "Sam, Sam, Sam, Sam."

1:33:41 > 1:33:47And everyone got confused as to who was who and what was what.

1:33:47 > 1:33:52There was a lot of confusion between me, Sam Taylor, and Sam, Sam Lengfeld,

1:33:52 > 1:33:54because we both had the same name,

1:33:54 > 1:34:01people were assuming that Sam Lengfeld was the grandson of my granddad,

1:34:01 > 1:34:05and there were rumours going round that he was his nephew.

1:34:05 > 1:34:07That he was his grandson.

1:34:07 > 1:34:09That he was family there.

1:34:09 > 1:34:12So all the anger was directed towards the family, if you like.

1:34:12 > 1:34:17Basically, the way it's put in the paper is he's gone to go over to Shev,

1:34:17 > 1:34:21but everyone's pushed him away and said, "Leave him, leave him to die."

1:34:21 > 1:34:24But it was the other way around.

1:34:24 > 1:34:27- He was going to his cousin. - Who do you think is his cousin?

1:34:28 > 1:34:34The guy who stabbed Shev. Sam Lengfeld, I think his name is.

1:34:34 > 1:34:38- And you think that they're related? - Yeah, they're related.

1:34:38 > 1:34:42- They're not related. - No? They're not.

1:34:42 > 1:34:45Well, I've actually moved away from Bristol because of it.

1:34:45 > 1:34:48I don't feel the same in Bristol any more.

1:34:48 > 1:34:52I don't feel safe, which is really sad for me,

1:34:52 > 1:34:57because I don't see my grandparents very much any more, who I miss a lot.

1:34:57 > 1:34:59And it's heartbreaking to know

1:34:59 > 1:35:03that I can't be down in Bristol, not looking over my shoulder.

1:35:03 > 1:35:06Not thinking, "Is something going to happen tonight?"

1:35:11 > 1:35:12Hello, there, sir.

1:35:12 > 1:35:14Are you going to the chemist?

1:35:14 > 1:35:16The road is closed, sir.

1:35:16 > 1:35:18The road is closed at the moment, sir.

1:35:18 > 1:35:21- I can't walk?- Not through here, no.

1:35:21 > 1:35:23- How can I get down there? - MOBILE RINGS

1:35:23 > 1:35:29I'm afraid you can't. The road's actually closed off at the moment.

1:35:29 > 1:35:30Oh. Hello?

1:35:30 > 1:35:33Do you know how long it will be blocked off?

1:35:33 > 1:35:37- It'll be probably... - I wanted to go and do my shopping.

1:35:37 > 1:35:40- Probably until late in the afternoon, I would have thought.- Really?

1:35:40 > 1:35:45- Sorry. You can't come through, I'm afraid.- No? OK. - Just stay on the other side.

1:35:45 > 1:35:47SHE SPEAKS SPANISH

1:35:47 > 1:35:50I'm not going to go the other way around.

1:35:50 > 1:35:54- I can't go all the way back down there.- Christ's sake. Come on.- God!

1:35:54 > 1:35:57I've got business to attend to, for goodness sake.

1:35:57 > 1:35:59I'm trying to get through to my bank.

1:35:59 > 1:36:03Everything's closed off. That end. That end. It's outrageous.

1:36:03 > 1:36:07I go through here and you stop me going through,

1:36:07 > 1:36:10you will be committing a criminal offence. That of assault.

1:36:10 > 1:36:14I know someone got stabbed to death. I don't care. It's not me that got stabbed to death and no-one I know.

1:36:14 > 1:36:17I feel sorry for them, but I have to get home.

1:36:24 > 1:36:25The pub is open.

1:36:25 > 1:36:28- Thank you, officer.- Thank you for your help and understanding.

1:36:28 > 1:36:30You are welcome.

1:36:58 > 1:37:02Really and truly, if you can't see the youth lying on the floor bleeding,

1:37:02 > 1:37:04it's nothing to you, innit? It's just another youth.

1:37:04 > 1:37:09If you're growing up and hearing about this stuff and the person ain't close to you,

1:37:09 > 1:37:11you're going to be like, "Boy, that's a shame."

1:37:11 > 1:37:15But tomorrow you're just going to be doing whatever you're doing.

1:37:15 > 1:37:16Just carrying on, I guess.

1:37:22 > 1:37:26I just saw the police bring him out and, as I saw

1:37:26 > 1:37:30his face, I just started crying, because he was a good person.

1:37:30 > 1:37:32Shocking.

1:37:32 > 1:37:35- And how old are you?- I'm eleven.

1:37:37 > 1:37:39It's just shocking.

1:37:40 > 1:37:41Life is short.

1:37:59 > 1:38:01All right, then. Bye.

1:38:03 > 1:38:06This is Shannen. That's her daughter.

1:38:06 > 1:38:09It says, "Rest in peace Shannen Vickers.

1:38:09 > 1:38:14"Simply the best." And then it's got, "Rest in peace, Pauline Adams.

1:38:14 > 1:38:16"Better than all the rest."

1:38:16 > 1:38:20All right, listen, you can't talk to no-one when you come out.

1:38:20 > 1:38:22You can't even talk to me.

1:38:22 > 1:38:27You don't phone no-one at all. You can't talk to Nicola about the case because she's a witness.

1:38:27 > 1:38:30You can't say nothing. If you're going to talk...

1:38:30 > 1:38:33- What's the camera on me for? - Because it's for BBC.

1:38:33 > 1:38:38- It's to do with Shannen.- You're one of Shannen's oldest mates. Get your fucking backside here now!

1:38:41 > 1:38:45Jack, you should have let him have his hair trimmed, he's on camera.

1:38:45 > 1:38:47His hair looks a mess.

1:38:47 > 1:38:51You should have let him have his hair trimmed. He looks a mess.

1:38:51 > 1:38:53He put it right in front of his face!

1:39:03 > 1:39:05My mum Pauline was in the flat,

1:39:05 > 1:39:11my niece Shannen. I think she'd been home ten minutes, not even that.

1:39:11 > 1:39:15Um...my dog, Ooch, my cat, Nut-Nut,

1:39:15 > 1:39:19and the terrapin, Spice.

1:39:19 > 1:39:22- Who survived.- Who survived. He was the only one that survived.

1:39:26 > 1:39:30The only thing we're glad about is that my mum and Shannen was together.

1:39:30 > 1:39:33- Arm in arm. - Arm in arm, they was, together.

1:39:46 > 1:39:50I mean, she was my niece, yeah, but she was like my daughter as well.

1:39:50 > 1:39:53You couldn't fault her. Well, you can fault her,

1:39:53 > 1:39:57because, I'm not being funny, I'm not trying to paint a rosy picture,

1:39:57 > 1:40:00she could be a little bitch. She was a little bitch. She was.

1:40:00 > 1:40:04But, she had a J-Lo bum, you know. She had...

1:40:05 > 1:40:08- A J-Lo bum?- Yeah, a J-Lo bum. The curvy bum.

1:40:08 > 1:40:10Shannen doing a J-Lo pose again.

1:40:10 > 1:40:12She liked to show her bum.

1:40:12 > 1:40:17- She did?- Yeah. 100%. She loved her bum and she should of.

1:40:17 > 1:40:20This was the boy she got together on that night.

1:40:20 > 1:40:22She fancied him for seven years.

1:40:22 > 1:40:25He was the last boy she ever kissed.

1:40:25 > 1:40:28She wanted to marry someone with loads of money.

1:40:28 > 1:40:30As long as they were good-looking.

1:40:30 > 1:40:33She wouldn't go out with an old bloke. No.

1:40:33 > 1:40:35They had to be good looking.

1:40:35 > 1:40:37Not even white.

1:40:37 > 1:40:38No.

1:40:38 > 1:40:41Everyone never used to think Shannen was English.

1:40:41 > 1:40:43They thought she was Mediterranean.

1:40:43 > 1:40:46She doesn't look English.

1:40:46 > 1:40:48- That one there... - Yeah, that one there, as well.

1:40:48 > 1:40:49See?

1:40:49 > 1:40:52But we can guarantee that she is.

1:40:52 > 1:40:56Because it would have been her 18th.

1:40:56 > 1:41:02Her mate Sharne had a pink limo, and we was going to do that to her,

1:41:02 > 1:41:04and what did she say to you?

1:41:04 > 1:41:06- You're going to have to say it.- Yeah.

1:41:06 > 1:41:12- I don't know. "Would I ever get in another fucking pink hummer?"- Yeah.

1:41:14 > 1:41:17We're just after a tattoo for the other side of our neck,

1:41:17 > 1:41:20because this one has got angels and "rest in peace".

1:41:20 > 1:41:23So we just want one, so we can put their names on it,

1:41:23 > 1:41:25my mum's name and Shannen's name.

1:41:25 > 1:41:27We putting her name or just "Mum"?

1:41:27 > 1:41:29- Are we just doing "Mum"? - We're doing "Mum", innit?

1:41:29 > 1:41:31OK, we'll do "Mum", then.

1:41:31 > 1:41:34Well, it would look a bit silly writing "Pauline" on our necks.

1:41:34 > 1:41:37No, I meant "Mum". I didn't mean "Pauline".

1:41:37 > 1:41:39OK, you said names. I just want to make sure.

1:41:39 > 1:41:42- Its "Mum", isn't it? - You have to be pacific!

1:41:42 > 1:41:44But her name's "Mum" to us, innit?

1:41:44 > 1:41:46I don't call her "Pauline", do we?

1:41:46 > 1:41:49Well, you do when you had the hump with her.

1:41:49 > 1:41:50Yeah, but that's different.

1:41:50 > 1:41:52BOTH: Oh, I like that one!

1:41:52 > 1:41:55- That's it.- No, that one. - That with "Mum" and "Shannen"?

1:41:55 > 1:41:56- We'll have that one.- That one'll do.

1:41:56 > 1:41:59- You've got the dates all right? - We've got the dates on this one.

1:41:59 > 1:42:01- Yeah.- No, that's perfect, that one.

1:42:01 > 1:42:05- That's perfect, that one. - Yeah. Changed me mind again.

1:42:05 > 1:42:09- Love it. Love the pain.- It's the only time we feel something.

1:42:10 > 1:42:13So we're not zombies, innit?

1:42:17 > 1:42:20'The night before, Shannen was getting ready to go out,

1:42:20 > 1:42:24'because it was her mate's 18th birthday party.'

1:42:24 > 1:42:27- Doing her hair.- And, was it about 3am in the morning?- Yes.

1:42:27 > 1:42:30I got a phone call.

1:42:30 > 1:42:34And Brendan said that he'd just been in a big fight,

1:42:34 > 1:42:38and one of the boys had threatened to go set the place alight.

1:42:40 > 1:42:43They said that they was going to burn our place out,

1:42:43 > 1:42:44and hoped that I was in it

1:42:44 > 1:42:48and, hopefully, everyone else was going to be there, as well.

1:42:48 > 1:42:52- They didn't care who was going to be there.- This was over...?

1:42:52 > 1:42:53A £15 puff.

1:42:53 > 1:42:56All it was was £15.

1:42:56 > 1:42:58Even though their argument was with MY son.

1:42:58 > 1:43:02Their argument was with Brendan. It had nothing to do with my mum.

1:43:02 > 1:43:06It had nothing to do with Shannen. It had nothing to do with our animals.

1:43:08 > 1:43:10The amount of petrol they used was a little bit

1:43:10 > 1:43:14bigger than an Oasis bottle and they filled it up to the top.

1:43:14 > 1:43:17So they've kicked the door open and they just set it alight

1:43:17 > 1:43:21and just stood there for a few minutes, to make sure it set alight.

1:43:21 > 1:43:24And they both, my mum and my daughter, Shannen,

1:43:24 > 1:43:27died together in each other's arms.

1:43:27 > 1:43:32The one that died first was the dog and the cat went in with me mum.

1:43:32 > 1:43:37And the whole three of them died together. In my bedroom, innit?

1:43:44 > 1:43:47My mum wouldn't have cared what happened to her.

1:43:47 > 1:43:49She would have cared that Shannen got out,

1:43:49 > 1:43:52so she went in the room to try and get Shannen out.

1:43:52 > 1:43:57And they couldn't get out. They just couldn't get out.

1:43:57 > 1:43:59Because the fire was too much.

1:44:04 > 1:44:08I think sometimes people say, "You are really, really strong."

1:44:08 > 1:44:12- Except it's not.- Front. - It's front. It's a face.

1:44:14 > 1:44:16Because, I think if we cry,

1:44:16 > 1:44:21then it feels like sometimes you're not going to stop.

1:44:33 > 1:44:36You want to say hello to the world? Say, "Hello, world."

1:44:36 > 1:44:40Show your gorgeous self to the world. Say, "Hello, world."

1:44:40 > 1:44:41Say, "My name's Ronnie."

1:44:44 > 1:44:49Someone gave us a dog, because our dog died in the fire,

1:44:49 > 1:44:51so she give me this one,

1:44:51 > 1:44:54and then when we went to visit them, there was this one, as well.

1:44:54 > 1:44:58- They're little twins.- They're little twins. Ronnie and Reggie.

1:45:02 > 1:45:04They're like little babies, aren't they?

1:45:04 > 1:45:06This will be my new baby.

1:45:06 > 1:45:09Won't you? Yeah.

1:45:09 > 1:45:11Ain't you? Thank you.

1:45:18 > 1:45:21Some kind of justice would be is if we were allowed to go into the room

1:45:21 > 1:45:24and just ask what everyone wants to know.

1:45:24 > 1:45:25Why?

1:45:27 > 1:45:30Why? There was just no reason for it.

1:45:30 > 1:45:33Over £15 to have a draw - puff, zoot, whatever - why?

1:45:33 > 1:45:35There is no reason for it.

1:45:40 > 1:45:43What if they were found not guilty?

1:45:43 > 1:45:45- That's all right.- That's all right.

1:45:47 > 1:45:51- Because?- You so don't want to hear what we're going to say.

1:45:53 > 1:45:57Well, put it this way - either way, justice will be done.

1:45:57 > 1:46:00I mean, who could blame us, eh?

1:46:00 > 1:46:01Innit?

1:46:01 > 1:46:05- It's the East End way, innit? - That's it - a life for a life.

1:46:05 > 1:46:07Says that in the Bible.

1:46:07 > 1:46:09A life for a life.

1:46:09 > 1:46:11An eye for an eye. A tooth for a tooth and...

1:46:11 > 1:46:12BOTH: A life for a life.

1:46:14 > 1:46:16See you later.

1:46:16 > 1:46:17See you later.

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1:46:44 > 1:46:46What's happening tomorrow?

1:46:46 > 1:46:49We're going on a walk for Shev, because it's his birthday,

1:46:49 > 1:46:53so we're just going to go and raise some more money for his headstone

1:46:53 > 1:46:56and stuff like that and just have a good day for him, innit.

1:46:57 > 1:47:01- How old would he have been? - 18 he'd be tomorrow.

1:47:01 > 1:47:02Eight months now.

1:47:02 > 1:47:05It's crazy when you think about it.

1:47:05 > 1:47:06It just flies by.

1:47:07 > 1:47:13Life goes on doesn't it? Except for his mother up the road.

1:47:13 > 1:47:17And like I said to you, I still think about her.

1:47:17 > 1:47:22Do you have some experience of losing a son, as well?

1:47:22 > 1:47:27- Yes. It was Ivan, our only son. - Right.

1:47:27 > 1:47:29Had his postmortem,

1:47:29 > 1:47:34and it was the left ventricle of his heart had seized.

1:47:34 > 1:47:37Mine was in completely different circumstances to her,

1:47:37 > 1:47:40but it still doesn't make any difference.

1:47:40 > 1:47:43The gravel is still as sharp and as cold and as hard

1:47:43 > 1:47:45when you're kneeling there,

1:47:45 > 1:47:47you know.

1:47:47 > 1:47:51It doesn't matter what the circumstances are.

1:47:51 > 1:47:53And I suppose that's why I still keep thinking

1:47:53 > 1:47:55about his mother, you know.

1:47:56 > 1:47:59I know what a long, long year the first year is,

1:47:59 > 1:48:01all the anniversaries and everything.

1:48:01 > 1:48:04It never stops. It never goes away.

1:48:14 > 1:48:17It wasn't actually until Shevon passed away

1:48:17 > 1:48:20that I realised how many friends he had.

1:48:20 > 1:48:24Most people, if it was his birthday or anybody's birthday,

1:48:24 > 1:48:27you struggle to get like 20 to 30 people to go out for your birthday,

1:48:27 > 1:48:31but to know that it's so many months after

1:48:31 > 1:48:33and he got people to walk to Bath,

1:48:33 > 1:48:35that shows, like, how much people care.

1:48:37 > 1:48:40# Happy birthday to you

1:48:40 > 1:48:44# Happy birthday to you

1:48:44 > 1:48:47# Happy birthday, dear Shevon

1:48:47 > 1:48:51# Happy birthday to you. #

1:48:51 > 1:48:55You can't judge a book by its cover. Because we look a certain way

1:48:55 > 1:48:58or we do a certain thing, you can't judge that person like that.

1:48:58 > 1:49:00Kids just are labelled as a menace.

1:49:00 > 1:49:03There is no representation of the good that we do.

1:49:03 > 1:49:07Excuse me, would you mind donating some money to a good cause?

1:49:07 > 1:49:12Shevon didn't like trouble, and there is a stigma attached to

1:49:12 > 1:49:15black men that have been a victim of knife crime

1:49:15 > 1:49:20whereas in Shevon's case, it wasn't a gang-related incident at all,

1:49:20 > 1:49:24but I think people would have read the inaccurate

1:49:24 > 1:49:29media reports and made that conclusion, definitely.

1:49:48 > 1:49:52We're going to let some balloons off for Wahab's birthday.

1:49:52 > 1:49:55I'm just saying Wahab because it's his real name, really,

1:49:55 > 1:49:58because he didn't really tell anyone.

1:49:58 > 1:50:02- I don't think he liked people knowing his real name. - So what did he prefer?- Killer.

1:50:02 > 1:50:05- Yeah, he did. - That was his tag name, Killer.

1:50:05 > 1:50:06Didn't mean nothing.

1:50:06 > 1:50:09No, it didn't mean nothing. Just what we knew him as.

1:50:09 > 1:50:12And when we say Killer, we mean he was a killer.

1:50:12 > 1:50:14- He made us laugh.- He made us laugh.

1:50:14 > 1:50:17Like he could make anything into a joke.

1:50:17 > 1:50:19- And everybody called him Killer? - Everyone.

1:50:19 > 1:50:22The press made something of that, as well.

1:50:22 > 1:50:25They said he was called Killer because he went round killing people.

1:50:25 > 1:50:28- Or something like that. - And that's unfair.

1:50:28 > 1:50:29His mum's got to hear that.

1:50:29 > 1:50:30His mum has to hear that,

1:50:30 > 1:50:33and she knows deep down that he wasn't like that.

1:50:33 > 1:50:35We know deep down that he wasn't like that.

1:50:35 > 1:50:38Because he got found with a knife once don't mean nothing.

1:50:38 > 1:50:40- He never hurt anyone. - That's what I mean.

1:50:40 > 1:50:44When a young white boy gets stabbed or he gets killed, they never say,

1:50:44 > 1:50:48"Oh, its gang-related or his nickname, he had this because

1:50:48 > 1:50:50"yeah, he's done this and he's done that."

1:50:50 > 1:50:52It's always a young black boy.

1:50:52 > 1:50:53All the time.

1:50:53 > 1:50:56Gang-related. His postcode was...

1:50:56 > 1:50:57That's for you, Killer.

1:51:00 > 1:51:03Yeah. Three, two, one...

1:51:23 > 1:51:26I don't even know where it is, you know. I've just turned up.

1:51:29 > 1:51:33Didn't leave us much room with his van. Oh, they left me parking.

1:51:35 > 1:51:37This is the coffin here.

1:51:43 > 1:51:46Another one of London's teenagers.

1:51:59 > 1:52:04It says here, "In one attack, the murdered youth,

1:52:04 > 1:52:06"18-year-old Wahab Zaaki,

1:52:06 > 1:52:12"had a history of carrying knives and may have been armed himself.

1:52:12 > 1:52:16"Wahab, who called himself Killer, was stabbed in the chest in a...

1:52:16 > 1:52:19"in a frenz..." Is it "frenzied"?

1:52:19 > 1:52:23"..attack near a bin store in Walthamstow, East London,

1:52:23 > 1:52:24"on Friday night."

1:52:24 > 1:52:28They make it sound like it was his fault.

1:52:28 > 1:52:32Because every time someone dies of a knife crime or whatever,

1:52:32 > 1:52:37they always like make it sound bad on the actual victim.

1:52:41 > 1:52:44I just remember people'd be like praying over him.

1:52:44 > 1:52:48It was like an open coffin, but you could see his eyes and that.

1:52:48 > 1:52:50It was nice, because he looked peaceful.

1:52:53 > 1:52:55He looked peaceful when he was laying there.

1:53:08 > 1:53:12I had an idea that I was pregnant

1:53:12 > 1:53:13just after he died.

1:53:14 > 1:53:19And then my mate brung round a pregnancy test, and I done it,

1:53:19 > 1:53:22and then I found out that I was pregnant.

1:53:27 > 1:53:31I wanted the baby, anyways, and it will be nice for

1:53:31 > 1:53:38his mum and family and me that we have part of him

1:53:38 > 1:53:41with us, living on.

1:53:41 > 1:53:45- Do you know if you're having a boy or a girl?- A girl.- Really?- Yeah.

1:53:45 > 1:53:48But have you thought what you might say to her

1:53:48 > 1:53:50about what happened to her father?

1:53:50 > 1:53:55No, I ain't really thought about that, which I should, really.

1:53:55 > 1:53:59I can't tell her why and what happened.

1:53:59 > 1:54:01You still don't know?

1:54:01 > 1:54:02No.

1:54:19 > 1:54:22When she does his face expressions

1:54:22 > 1:54:24and that,

1:54:24 > 1:54:27like what he used to do, I dunno, it reminds me of him.

1:54:36 > 1:54:38This is for you, Salum.

1:54:38 > 1:54:39- Love you.- Cheers.

1:54:39 > 1:54:46# My love, where did we go wrong?

1:54:46 > 1:54:50# Wonder who's in your arms

1:54:50 > 1:54:54# 'Specially because you did her wrong

1:54:54 > 1:54:59# You know, sad songs

1:54:59 > 1:55:01# Are the best songs

1:55:02 > 1:55:10# You don't have to wonder how it's going to end... #

1:55:10 > 1:55:13I know that he wanted to go to university,

1:55:13 > 1:55:18even going into engineering, like, making the cars and stuff like that.

1:55:18 > 1:55:21Because he used to draw a really good car.

1:55:26 > 1:55:29That's what his signature would have been like when he was famous.

1:55:29 > 1:55:31Jamzy. See it?

1:55:31 > 1:55:34That's what he would have used when he was a famous footballer.

1:55:34 > 1:55:37"Jahmal, can I have your signature?" That's what he would have used.

1:55:45 > 1:55:47What you waiting for?

1:55:47 > 1:55:48BOTH: Keys.

1:55:48 > 1:55:50- Keys. OK.- Keys to the door.

1:55:51 > 1:55:52Wicked.

1:55:52 > 1:55:56People find it weird that we actually want to be here,

1:55:56 > 1:55:59but at the end of the day, this was our home and it was my mum's home

1:55:59 > 1:56:01and it was Shannen's home.

1:56:01 > 1:56:02Ooh, we got letters.

1:56:02 > 1:56:06It's just feels like we're back where we belong.

1:56:06 > 1:56:08Yeah, it's lovely.

1:56:08 > 1:56:12So this is where my mum and Shannen was found.

1:56:16 > 1:56:18Can you feel someone in here, though?

1:56:18 > 1:56:20It feels like very cold, like freezing.

1:56:20 > 1:56:23Well, it's obvious, innit, there's no electric on.

1:56:26 > 1:56:31This is a video of Jessica in her bedroom dancing.

1:56:35 > 1:56:40And she just went to the door to make sure nobody was coming

1:56:40 > 1:56:44to catch her, and now she's shaking her backside.

1:56:45 > 1:56:48This is a song that Steven's friends made for him.

1:56:48 > 1:56:50RAP MUSIC PLAYS

1:56:57 > 1:57:01Even now, there's days where I wake up and I forget for a second

1:57:01 > 1:57:02that he's not there,

1:57:02 > 1:57:06you know, and them days are really bad days for me.

1:57:06 > 1:57:11And there's been times when I've wanted to go and join Steven,

1:57:11 > 1:57:13to be with him,

1:57:13 > 1:57:16but my other children, you know,

1:57:16 > 1:57:19I couldn't put them through it.

1:57:19 > 1:57:23It's been a year now and they still ain't caught no-one.

1:57:23 > 1:57:25And what would you like to see happen?

1:57:25 > 1:57:29People get arrested for it.

1:57:41 > 1:57:44And could you ever forgive him at all?

1:57:44 > 1:57:46No.

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