Reggie Yates: Teen Gangs

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0:00:02 > 0:00:04It's hard to believe that, just a few months ago,

0:00:04 > 0:00:06streets like this went up in flames.

0:00:08 > 0:00:12Homes and businesses were burned to the ground.

0:00:14 > 0:00:16Britain went into lockdown.

0:00:20 > 0:00:23It seemed like some people felt that looting was just a way

0:00:23 > 0:00:26of getting their hands on the material possessions

0:00:26 > 0:00:27that they were entitled to.

0:00:29 > 0:00:32The finger was pointed at teenage gangs

0:00:32 > 0:00:36and more than half the people charged with offences were under 21.

0:00:41 > 0:00:45I'm Reggie Yates and tonight I'm trying to find out what makes

0:00:45 > 0:00:47gang life the chosen path for thousands of teenagers

0:00:47 > 0:00:49in Britain's inner cities.

0:00:52 > 0:00:54But I'm starting off with some pretty firm views.

0:00:57 > 0:01:00I've long believed that everybody has choices in life

0:01:00 > 0:01:03and that no-one is forced to become a criminal

0:01:03 > 0:01:06just because they grow up poor.

0:01:06 > 0:01:08I grew up on a council estate, in a house that,

0:01:08 > 0:01:11for a long period of time, was essentially living off benefits

0:01:11 > 0:01:14and I believe that your surroundings don't define who you are.

0:01:14 > 0:01:16I think it's you as an individual,

0:01:16 > 0:01:20how much work you are willing to put in. That determines how well you do.

0:01:21 > 0:01:25But I'm going to test my beliefs on a journey that will take me

0:01:25 > 0:01:27to some pretty dangerous places.

0:01:28 > 0:01:32Over the last three months, I've spent time with four young people

0:01:32 > 0:01:35who've all been right at the heart of gang life in Britain.

0:01:35 > 0:01:36It's not been easy for them,

0:01:36 > 0:01:40but they have allowed me an insight into their world.

0:01:40 > 0:01:43Aaron was a member of one of the most feared teen gangs

0:01:43 > 0:01:46in South London and served time in prison.

0:01:46 > 0:01:49'I've done a few things, you know, like robbery,'

0:01:49 > 0:01:50but paid the price for it.

0:01:50 > 0:01:54Talisa's been involved in selling drugs for another London gang

0:01:54 > 0:01:56and was the victim of a vicious assault.

0:01:56 > 0:01:58How many times were you stabbed?

0:01:58 > 0:02:01- I was stabbed about 14.- 14 times?

0:02:01 > 0:02:06Shakeel lost a friend to a vicious gangland war.

0:02:06 > 0:02:09People do get killed out here. I can't lie about it.

0:02:09 > 0:02:10And Darren was a member

0:02:10 > 0:02:12of one of the most ruthless gangs in Manchester.

0:02:12 > 0:02:15Basically, you wouldn't look at us lot wrong,

0:02:15 > 0:02:18cos if you did, you'd be the next one in the back of the ambulance.

0:02:18 > 0:02:21So where does the responsibility lie?

0:02:21 > 0:02:23Am I right that it is down to the individual

0:02:23 > 0:02:27and the choices that person makes, or is it about their environment,

0:02:27 > 0:02:29things that are often outside of their control?

0:02:29 > 0:02:32I'm going to try and find out.

0:02:32 > 0:02:34POLICE SIRENS WAIL

0:02:49 > 0:02:53For four years, Aaron Rhoden was a member of one of the toughest gangs

0:02:53 > 0:02:55in Stockwell, South London.

0:02:55 > 0:02:59Now he's trying to put his energy to more constructive use.

0:02:59 > 0:03:01Five days a week, he packs his sports kit

0:03:01 > 0:03:03and heads down to the local gym.

0:03:04 > 0:03:08But he misses the status and fast money that came with gang life.

0:03:08 > 0:03:11You can never get used to having no money,

0:03:11 > 0:03:14but it's just something what has to be done sometimes.

0:03:14 > 0:03:17Obviously, it's depressing, but I've got to accept it.

0:03:19 > 0:03:22Aaron served nine months of a 2.5 year sentence for ABH,

0:03:22 > 0:03:26and, since April, he's been out on licence, but is finding it tough.

0:03:26 > 0:03:31I might not have the strong enough willpower to stay off the streets,

0:03:31 > 0:03:35and the influences come in from elsewhere, and they will just come

0:03:35 > 0:03:37and overpower your willpower, you know.

0:03:37 > 0:03:41You got have the mind and strength to want to do it for yourself.

0:03:48 > 0:03:52So what was life like for Aaron inside a gang and has he really

0:03:52 > 0:03:55been able to put the fast money and prestige behind him?

0:03:58 > 0:04:03- Hi, how are you doing? - Good, thanks. Upstairs.

0:04:04 > 0:04:08- This is the penthouse.- Yeah, this is where it all goes down!

0:04:08 > 0:04:10You've got loads of things.

0:04:10 > 0:04:12All your hats on your wall. Are they like your prized possessions?

0:04:12 > 0:04:17Yes, my hats are memories. Look at this one here.

0:04:17 > 0:04:19- "031", what's that?- It was just my current gang at the time.

0:04:19 > 0:04:21And what did you guys do?

0:04:21 > 0:04:26Get into beefs, altercations, drugs, whatever it is.

0:04:26 > 0:04:28You say drugs like it's a small thing.

0:04:28 > 0:04:30But for most people, it really isn't. Were you dealing, selling?

0:04:30 > 0:04:31It's, like, selling, innit?

0:04:31 > 0:04:34You gotta go and get money, however you can get it.

0:04:34 > 0:04:36That's the mentality of the young people.

0:04:36 > 0:04:38There must have been a moment

0:04:38 > 0:04:40when you decided to go down the wrong path that led to

0:04:40 > 0:04:42actually being involved in an organised gang.

0:04:42 > 0:04:44What was that moment everything changed?

0:04:44 > 0:04:50I was about 14 years old and someone had just basically come up to me,

0:04:50 > 0:04:51and he said to me, "I just stabbed someone.

0:04:51 > 0:04:55"Quick. I got the blood on my knife and everything."

0:04:55 > 0:04:57He brought out the knife.

0:04:57 > 0:05:00He asked me to just to follow him to the bus stop.

0:05:00 > 0:05:04It got to the point where I ended up following him about the whole day.

0:05:04 > 0:05:07He, kind of, like, in a way, he kidnapped me.

0:05:07 > 0:05:12He took my phone, he took my chain, he took my big diamond ring.

0:05:12 > 0:05:16After that day, my trust for people, in general, just went down.

0:05:16 > 0:05:20I didn't want to be so exposed like that again.

0:05:20 > 0:05:23So after all of that, you started carrying a knife yourself, right?

0:05:23 > 0:05:24Would you have used it?

0:05:24 > 0:05:28I would have had to. Had to. There's no point in carrying it.

0:05:28 > 0:05:30You can go to jail for just having a knife,

0:05:30 > 0:05:32so I might as well use it, if I'm going to have it on me.

0:05:34 > 0:05:37'Aaron's been upfront about his time with the 031 Bloods gang,

0:05:37 > 0:05:40'but I wanted to know why he'd been sent to prison.'

0:05:40 > 0:05:46It was a robbery, you know, kind of thing. Drug dealers and stuff.

0:05:46 > 0:05:49Why don't you want to talk about what actually happened?

0:05:49 > 0:05:53Because, really and truly, the people who were the victims of it,

0:05:53 > 0:05:57could be watching right now and they might think justice wasn't served.

0:05:57 > 0:06:00They might think, "Oh, I saw so-and-so there.

0:06:00 > 0:06:03"He was on the TV there. Don't I remember him

0:06:03 > 0:06:07"from the court case, there?" you know, kind of thing.

0:06:07 > 0:06:09"Let's go after him, still."

0:06:09 > 0:06:13They might be like that. You don't know how people are.

0:06:16 > 0:06:20Aaron still has to look over his shoulder whenever he goes out.

0:06:21 > 0:06:24He took me to the estate in South London where he grew up,

0:06:24 > 0:06:28'and he seemed uneasy about being on the streets with the cameras.'

0:06:29 > 0:06:31There's beef, real shoot-outs.

0:06:31 > 0:06:34People have shoot-outs all the time. This is Stockwell. This is real.

0:06:34 > 0:06:37When was the last time you saw a shoot-out round here?

0:06:37 > 0:06:41'08. 2008 was the last vivid one I can remember.

0:06:43 > 0:06:48Little party in a pub and someone came and shot it up.

0:06:48 > 0:06:51Two bouncers outside the pub, both of them got hit up.

0:06:51 > 0:06:55One got shot in his head. Everyone in the club had to walk over

0:06:55 > 0:06:57his dead body to get out of the club.

0:06:57 > 0:07:00- That was the last real one I can remember.- How old were you then?

0:07:00 > 0:07:03I was...17 or 18.

0:07:03 > 0:07:07So at 17, you're stepping over a dead body to get out of a pub.

0:07:07 > 0:07:09Did that not affect you in any way?

0:07:09 > 0:07:13The shooting and stuff got so regular that things used to happen

0:07:13 > 0:07:15and we got to look and laugh about it.

0:07:15 > 0:07:19We, literally, came away and if no-one got hurt, you're laughing.

0:07:19 > 0:07:23There's no doubt Aaron wants to turn his life around.

0:07:23 > 0:07:26But how long will his resolve last?

0:07:27 > 0:07:29Because he spent so much time before he went in

0:07:29 > 0:07:33being used to the trappings of his former lifestyle,

0:07:33 > 0:07:36'I'm not entirely sure he's going to be OK and be able to stick it out.'

0:07:36 > 0:07:39I think that the temptation is massive and I really hope

0:07:39 > 0:07:41that he doesn't fall to it.

0:07:44 > 0:07:46One thing I want to get across is that

0:07:46 > 0:07:48gangs are not just a black issue.

0:07:48 > 0:07:52In most of Britain's big cities there are all sorts of gangs -

0:07:52 > 0:07:54Asian, white and black.

0:07:54 > 0:07:57So I'm heading to the North West, once again to find out whether

0:07:57 > 0:08:02people there choose to join gangs or are they forced into it?

0:08:02 > 0:08:03Here in St Helens,

0:08:03 > 0:08:06these young people are part of a rehabilitation scheme.

0:08:06 > 0:08:10They've all committed serious offences,

0:08:10 > 0:08:12most involving gang violence.

0:08:12 > 0:08:17Darren Burns was a member of one of THE toughest gangs in Manchester.

0:08:17 > 0:08:19Now he gets a kick out of helping out at this old gym.

0:08:19 > 0:08:21How much are you enjoying this?

0:08:21 > 0:08:25Erm, it is actually quite fun. You do get a few laughs.

0:08:25 > 0:08:28- OK. - It's what you make of it yourself.

0:08:30 > 0:08:33Boxing lessons are the most popular part of the course.

0:08:33 > 0:08:38After watching these young people land some pretty fearsome blows,

0:08:38 > 0:08:43I took the chance to find out what drove them into gangs.

0:08:43 > 0:08:44Basically, you wouldn't look at us lot wrong,

0:08:44 > 0:08:47because if you did, you'd be the next one in the ambulance.

0:08:47 > 0:08:49That's how it was.

0:08:49 > 0:08:51What were you known for?

0:08:51 > 0:08:55Drug dealing, weapons, fighting. Everything.

0:08:55 > 0:09:01Darren lived in 42 different care homes, from the age of five.

0:09:01 > 0:09:04At 14, he joined up with Manchester's notorious Gooch gang.

0:09:04 > 0:09:07Other gang members served time for murder

0:09:07 > 0:09:10as they fought rivals for control of the drugs trade.

0:09:11 > 0:09:14You don't look like the sort of person that would have

0:09:14 > 0:09:17a gun in his pocket. What was it that attracted you to it

0:09:17 > 0:09:21and did you not think, "This might not be for me"?

0:09:21 > 0:09:26At the time, I'd gone through a stage of being bullied at school,

0:09:26 > 0:09:29so it was my way of saying, "Listen, I'm not a muppet.

0:09:29 > 0:09:32"I'm not going to let you trample all over me."

0:09:32 > 0:09:36I wanted the reputation that came with it, the reputation whereas

0:09:36 > 0:09:39if you did something, it wouldn't just be me coming to get you,

0:09:39 > 0:09:44- it would be someone else.- You were bullied as a teenager?- Yeah.

0:09:44 > 0:09:45What was the one moment you said,

0:09:45 > 0:09:47"They won't mess with me again"?

0:09:47 > 0:09:49I went up to the biggest guy in school

0:09:49 > 0:09:54and just trampled him all down the stairs, because he was the main one.

0:09:54 > 0:09:58I was only in year nine and he was year 11.

0:09:58 > 0:10:00So, one of the oldest kids in school and you beat him up?

0:10:00 > 0:10:02Yeah, I threw him down the stairs.

0:10:04 > 0:10:08After that, did things change? Did people look at you differently?

0:10:08 > 0:10:12- Yeah.- Did you enjoy that? - I loved it at the time.

0:10:12 > 0:10:14I was thinking I was untouchable.

0:10:14 > 0:10:18You get this, sort of, invincibility cloak over you,

0:10:18 > 0:10:19like, no-one can touch you.

0:10:19 > 0:10:22- Now that you're out the gang, do you see it differently?- Yeah.

0:10:22 > 0:10:28Boys will be boys, but it's a completely different perspective now.

0:10:28 > 0:10:32Do you not think it's a bit stronger than "boys will be boys"?

0:10:32 > 0:10:36I know what you're saying, but when you're there, it's like a family.

0:10:36 > 0:10:37You protect each other.

0:10:37 > 0:10:40So, Darren believes he had to be in a gang,

0:10:40 > 0:10:44as a way of finding security - almost a surrogate family.

0:10:44 > 0:10:48His environment gave him no alternative.

0:10:48 > 0:10:52But is he just an exception to my belief that it's all about

0:10:52 > 0:10:54individual choices? I'm heading back to London,

0:10:54 > 0:10:58for a meeting with someone else who's agreed to tell me her story

0:10:58 > 0:11:01about life inside a teenage gang.

0:11:06 > 0:11:09Talisa Kyei was in a gang from her early teens.

0:11:09 > 0:11:11She was often involved in fights,

0:11:11 > 0:11:13and earned money as a lookout for drug dealers.

0:11:15 > 0:11:17She's moved out of her parents' house

0:11:17 > 0:11:21and now lives on this estate in Morden, Surrey.

0:11:21 > 0:11:24For Talisa, it's a key part of breaking away from the gang.

0:11:26 > 0:11:28Her flat represents independence,

0:11:28 > 0:11:31but it also shows the choices she now has to make.

0:11:31 > 0:11:34- Hello.- Hey!- Welcome. - Are you all right?

0:11:34 > 0:11:39She has to find £120 a month towards her rent

0:11:39 > 0:11:42and that's the sort of money she doesn't have.

0:11:42 > 0:11:45- This your place, yeah? - This is my room.

0:11:45 > 0:11:48Not the messiest, but it's not the neatest, either.

0:11:48 > 0:11:50Don't worry. I ain't getting the Hoover out.

0:11:50 > 0:11:53This is the living room, right here.

0:11:53 > 0:11:55'Talisa insists she's now out of the gang.

0:11:55 > 0:11:59'The turning point came five years ago.'

0:11:59 > 0:12:03One day, I got a phone call from my friend and then I came out

0:12:03 > 0:12:05my house to meet them, but they wasn't there,

0:12:05 > 0:12:07so I was thinking, "What's going on?"

0:12:07 > 0:12:12So I saw this dude that I thought I was cool with and I went up to him

0:12:12 > 0:12:15and all I remember was I saw a knife and he just went for me.

0:12:17 > 0:12:19I didn't really thought anything.

0:12:19 > 0:12:24All my emotions went. I was thinking, "How am I going to survive this?

0:12:24 > 0:12:27"How am I going to get out? Am I going to see my mum again?"

0:12:27 > 0:12:32- And how many times were you stabbed? - 14 times.- Do you have scars?

0:12:32 > 0:12:33I don't really want to show them.

0:12:33 > 0:12:37- You don't have to show me, but do you have scars?- Yeah!

0:12:37 > 0:12:40So what do you think when you see the scars from the stabbing?

0:12:40 > 0:12:45When it's a bad day, I think, "Why didn't I just die with the scars?"

0:12:45 > 0:12:49And then, when it's a good day I think, "I'll overcome this.

0:12:49 > 0:12:53"This is what makes me today, and this is why I'm living today."

0:12:53 > 0:12:54Since leaving the gang...

0:12:54 > 0:12:56MOBILE RINGS

0:12:56 > 0:12:58- Don't worry about it. It's OK.- Are you sure?- Yeah.

0:12:58 > 0:13:01'Talisa's phone rings throughout our interview.

0:13:01 > 0:13:03'Something is going on.'

0:13:03 > 0:13:06- TEXT MESSAGE BUZZ I'll switch it off.- Popular girl.

0:13:06 > 0:13:10- Who was texting you? - Is this on camera?- Mm-hmm.

0:13:10 > 0:13:13He's actually one of my friends still, but I just...

0:13:13 > 0:13:15- leave it a little. - Why are they texting you so much?

0:13:15 > 0:13:18- Oh, I don't know.- No? OK.

0:13:18 > 0:13:21'I've only known Talisa a few hours,

0:13:21 > 0:13:23'but I can tell she knows more than she's letting on.'

0:13:23 > 0:13:25- PHONE BUZZES - What's going on?

0:13:25 > 0:13:29Nothing, it's just, one of my friends, like. They just, like...

0:13:29 > 0:13:33They are, sort of, on a grind, innit? They still do what they want to do.

0:13:33 > 0:13:35I understand what you mean, but for the people that don't,

0:13:35 > 0:13:37can you explain what you mean by "on the grind"?

0:13:37 > 0:13:40They're still hustling, basically, to live, like, a nice life,

0:13:40 > 0:13:43to live a decent life. Everyone deserves things...

0:13:43 > 0:13:45What are they...? Hustling how?

0:13:45 > 0:13:48- Like, just showing and stuff. - Selling drugs?- Yeah.

0:13:48 > 0:13:50And why are they calling you?

0:13:50 > 0:13:53Because they want me to get one of my friends to get it off them,

0:13:53 > 0:13:55but I don't want to do that.

0:13:55 > 0:13:58'She says she doesn't want to be involved,

0:13:58 > 0:13:59'but explains some people believe

0:13:59 > 0:14:01'they're entitled to a better lifestyle,

0:14:01 > 0:14:05'even if it is funded by selling drugs.

0:14:05 > 0:14:09'Talisa switches her phone off, but when she turns it back on

0:14:09 > 0:14:10'it starts up again.'

0:14:10 > 0:14:12I actually... PHONE BUZZES

0:14:12 > 0:14:15- Oh, my God.- You just turned it back on again?- Yeah.- OK.

0:14:15 > 0:14:17I don't want to answer and then he tries coming here.

0:14:17 > 0:14:20Come on, answer your phone. You sure?

0:14:20 > 0:14:24- 'Now there's a knock on the door.' Who's that?- The boy.

0:14:26 > 0:14:29Stay here. Shall I answer it? Yeah.

0:14:52 > 0:14:54'It felt obvious that Talisa's friend

0:14:54 > 0:14:56'would be coming back once we'd gone,

0:14:56 > 0:14:59'but that wasn't quite what she told us.'

0:14:59 > 0:15:01- SHE SIGHS - What happened?

0:15:01 > 0:15:05- I just told him to go. - What did he come here for?

0:15:05 > 0:15:07Just to talk to me, but I told him to go.

0:15:07 > 0:15:09Is there a temptation, there, to get involved?

0:15:10 > 0:15:12Not even a little one?

0:15:13 > 0:15:15- Why are you so sure? - Why am I so sure?

0:15:15 > 0:15:18- Cos I know where it can lead me to again.- And what can it lead you to?

0:15:18 > 0:15:21Probably prison or death. This time, death for true, this time.

0:15:26 > 0:15:30'You see, I like Talisa, but despite her good intentions,

0:15:30 > 0:15:32'I'm worried that she might be letting her environment

0:15:32 > 0:15:34'get on top of her.'

0:15:35 > 0:15:39I want to say that she's being a better person and moving on,

0:15:39 > 0:15:42but the fact that her phone continuously rings

0:15:42 > 0:15:44and randomly you've got a guy turning up out of the blue,

0:15:44 > 0:15:48knocking on front door, trying to get her to sell drugs for him,

0:15:48 > 0:15:52says to me in her mind, she wants to move on and thinks that she is,

0:15:52 > 0:15:54but I'm not sure if that's actually what's really going on.

0:16:02 > 0:16:04'The next day, I met up with Aaron.'

0:16:08 > 0:16:11'He'd agreed to take me to another estate close by

0:16:11 > 0:16:14'that was territory of the All Bout Money gang.

0:16:14 > 0:16:18'They'd had a serious beef with the 031 Bloods that Aaron belonged to.

0:16:18 > 0:16:22'It's part of a turf war that has cost up to ten lives

0:16:22 > 0:16:23'in the last decade.

0:16:24 > 0:16:28'Aaron seemed nervous here, and sort of on the alert.'

0:16:28 > 0:16:29A couple of years ago, you know,

0:16:29 > 0:16:31we used to come and meet around here for football,

0:16:31 > 0:16:35just chill around here at the little park at one stage.

0:16:35 > 0:16:38Do you know what? I've heard about a place called the Hotspot.

0:16:38 > 0:16:41- Is that anywhere near here? - Oh, that's right there, yeah.

0:16:41 > 0:16:43- Just there? - Yeah, right across the road.

0:16:43 > 0:16:44what's that, then?

0:16:44 > 0:16:48Um, also called Stockwell Gardens Estate, also known as Hotspot.

0:16:48 > 0:16:50Why is it called that, then?

0:16:50 > 0:16:54- Um, I think because police always used to be round there a lot.- Yeah?

0:16:54 > 0:16:56Yeah, it's just like a big strip, you know?

0:16:56 > 0:16:58'It's hard to believe that this little parade of shops

0:16:58 > 0:17:00'with a small courtyard

0:17:00 > 0:17:03'could be such a prized piece of gang territory,

0:17:03 > 0:17:05'but this can be a dangerous place.'

0:17:05 > 0:17:08So, if we were to go there now with the cameras, myself and you,

0:17:08 > 0:17:10would that be a problem for you?

0:17:10 > 0:17:13- Um, yeah, I'm not really trying to condone any of that.- Why's that?

0:17:13 > 0:17:16It's not my job to really do that, you know?

0:17:16 > 0:17:20I'm not a reporter. However, you know... Yeah, it's just not me.

0:17:20 > 0:17:23- It's not me. - You look really uncomfortable.

0:17:23 > 0:17:26You look really uncomfortable about going over there.

0:17:26 > 0:17:27What is it about this area in particular?

0:17:27 > 0:17:31It's not even that, but it's like, because of my affiliates, you know?

0:17:31 > 0:17:35- They had problems with these lot. - So, in a situation like this,

0:17:35 > 0:17:37where someone who was once in a gang

0:17:37 > 0:17:39got into an area that they shouldn't be seen,

0:17:39 > 0:17:42even though they're out, is it still dangerous?

0:17:42 > 0:17:45It shouldn't be. It shouldn't be, but it can be.

0:17:46 > 0:17:50'I finally realise why Aaron's so nervous here.

0:17:50 > 0:17:54'This area's at the heart of a postcode war between rival gangs.'

0:17:57 > 0:18:00'To try and turn their lives around, Aaron and Talisa

0:18:00 > 0:18:04'have signed up for a course of intensive personal coaching.

0:18:04 > 0:18:08'I've come to see what they do and how they get on.

0:18:09 > 0:18:12'It's not in the sort of place I'd expected -

0:18:12 > 0:18:15'right in the heart of London's affluent West End, Covent Garden.

0:18:19 > 0:18:22'It's called RAP Mentors, a private company which offers coaching

0:18:22 > 0:18:26'to young people at risk of getting involved in gangs

0:18:26 > 0:18:29'and to others who want to become mentors themselves.'

0:18:29 > 0:18:33- Is it OK to take your mentee home with you?- No!

0:18:34 > 0:18:37'The project manager is 41-year-old David Williams.

0:18:37 > 0:18:40'He spent time in prison 20 years ago,

0:18:40 > 0:18:43'but now wants to help other young people avoid a life of crime.'

0:18:43 > 0:18:47- Is it OK to share a spliff with your mentee?- No!

0:18:47 > 0:18:51'He knows it'll be a hard road for Aaron and Talisa.'

0:18:51 > 0:18:53There will always be struggles

0:18:53 > 0:18:56because they're living in the same environment,

0:18:56 > 0:18:58they're in the same community,

0:18:58 > 0:19:02they know the same friends and the peer pressure is very, very great.

0:19:02 > 0:19:06'David believes that outside forces can be strong.'

0:19:06 > 0:19:08Did anyone do any of that homework?

0:19:08 > 0:19:10'At the group discussion, Aaron explains

0:19:10 > 0:19:15'why he resisted the temptation to take part in the London riots.'

0:19:15 > 0:19:18Even though I felt like I was missing out on an opportunity,

0:19:18 > 0:19:20I wanted to be a part of history.

0:19:20 > 0:19:22'His decision not to join in the looting

0:19:22 > 0:19:25'suggests he's already moving forward.'

0:19:25 > 0:19:28And, obviously, I'm on licence as well, so I don't want to go out there

0:19:28 > 0:19:30and get remanded straight away

0:19:30 > 0:19:32and have to do my licence plus extra charges.

0:19:32 > 0:19:35'But Talisa still has problems.'

0:19:35 > 0:19:37Sometimes it's not the person, you know, that messes up -

0:19:37 > 0:19:40it's their friends around you, cos they're jealous of you

0:19:40 > 0:19:42for doing better than them, or whatever.

0:19:42 > 0:19:43So sometimes it's people as well.

0:19:43 > 0:19:46'Only a few days ago, she was involved in a row on the street

0:19:46 > 0:19:49'with another girl in which a mobile phone and money went missing.

0:19:51 > 0:19:53'She's still angry,

0:19:53 > 0:19:56'and it quickly becomes clear that things haven't been resolved.'

0:19:56 > 0:19:59Come in, come in, come in, come in. We're going to put you in the group.

0:19:59 > 0:20:02'Julie, the girl from the phone row, walks into the class,

0:20:02 > 0:20:05'face-to-face with Talisa.

0:20:06 > 0:20:09'Try as she might, it seems Talisa can't escape trouble.'

0:20:32 > 0:20:35'Everyone else tries to act as peacekeeper.'

0:20:35 > 0:20:37I need to find out if Talisa's all right

0:20:37 > 0:20:41and what's being going on. It seems like what's going on outside

0:20:41 > 0:20:46of trying to better herself has come back and bit her.

0:20:46 > 0:20:48How mad is that?

0:20:48 > 0:20:52'I talk to both Talisa and Julie to get to the bottom of what happened.'

0:20:52 > 0:20:56Basically, me and my brothers were standing by the station, yeah?

0:20:56 > 0:20:58All these others, they came up to us,

0:20:58 > 0:21:01sprayed me in my eye with a JuJu spray, yeah?

0:21:01 > 0:21:04I wasn't there. She was giving her sister the money.

0:21:04 > 0:21:06They was telling me what happened.

0:21:06 > 0:21:09'It's a complicated story, to say the least of it,

0:21:09 > 0:21:12'and even when I've heard both sides, I'm not much the wiser.'

0:21:12 > 0:21:15I don't want to seem like a snitch, but she can't do this to me.

0:21:15 > 0:21:17'This may seem petty and juvenile,

0:21:17 > 0:21:19'but it's clear passions are running high.

0:21:19 > 0:21:23'If they'd run into each other on the street,

0:21:23 > 0:21:26'it could have blown up into something much more serious.

0:21:29 > 0:21:32'Eventually they make up...for now.'

0:21:32 > 0:21:35Thank you very much, all right?

0:21:35 > 0:21:37'The afternoon has been an eye-opener.

0:21:37 > 0:21:40'I've learned that however much you want to change,

0:21:40 > 0:21:44'things from the world outside can come and trip you up.

0:21:44 > 0:21:48'I've also learned how different Aaron and Talisa are.'

0:21:48 > 0:21:52They're both trying to turn over a new leaf. Aaron is well on his way,

0:21:52 > 0:21:56whereas Talisa was distracted right in front of us

0:21:56 > 0:22:00and the old Talisa was brought back out to play.

0:22:00 > 0:22:03So how well they do and how much they progress,

0:22:03 > 0:22:07hopefully we'll find out and hopefully it will be positive.

0:22:07 > 0:22:08We shall see, I guess.

0:22:11 > 0:22:14So far, it's been an education.

0:22:14 > 0:22:17The more I see, the more I understand that that the reasons

0:22:17 > 0:22:22people are drawn into gang life are complex and often very different.

0:22:22 > 0:22:24I'm heading back to the Hotspot,

0:22:24 > 0:22:28the home of the All Bout Money gang, where I'd been with Aaron.

0:22:28 > 0:22:32'David Williams from the Covent Garden project is taking me there.'

0:22:32 > 0:22:34I'm going to take this right here.

0:22:34 > 0:22:38'He's trying to find gang members willing to talk to me.

0:22:38 > 0:22:41'The Hotspot is dangerous, even when it isn't dark.

0:22:41 > 0:22:43'The police always keep an eye on it

0:22:43 > 0:22:46'and tonight, it looks like things may have kicked off already.'

0:22:46 > 0:22:50- Are they on their way down there now?- Mate, I'm not even joking.

0:22:50 > 0:22:52I'm serious. That's not even a joke, I'm telling you.

0:22:52 > 0:22:57- They're most likely going there now, you know?- What are the issues there?

0:22:57 > 0:23:00Street robberies. Gang culture.

0:23:00 > 0:23:04- OK, yeah. - A bit of hostility, rivalry.

0:23:04 > 0:23:06Postcode wars and so forth.

0:23:06 > 0:23:09What should I be expecting?

0:23:09 > 0:23:12You might meet a few angry people, to be honest.

0:23:12 > 0:23:16- When you say angry, what do you mean?- The riots, for instance.

0:23:16 > 0:23:20People are still angry. Young people are angry. They want to be heard.

0:23:34 > 0:23:36'They might want to be heard,

0:23:36 > 0:23:39'but tonight they don't seem to want to talk to me.'

0:23:39 > 0:23:43You want to talk to us, brother? No?

0:23:46 > 0:23:50I don't think many people really want to talk to us right now.

0:23:50 > 0:23:53I mean, the bright light probably isn't helping.

0:23:53 > 0:23:55But hopefully David will find us

0:23:55 > 0:23:57someone who's willing to talk to us soonish.

0:24:01 > 0:24:03'It looked like it was going to be a frustrating visit,

0:24:03 > 0:24:08'But I was beginning to understand why people wouldn't talk.'

0:24:08 > 0:24:11I've just spoken to some guys here in Stockwell,

0:24:11 > 0:24:14they keep using the same phrase, "dry snitching".

0:24:14 > 0:24:18They believe talking to us on camera is basically a gentle version

0:24:18 > 0:24:20of going to the police and snitching.

0:24:20 > 0:24:23The incredibly frustrating thing about that

0:24:23 > 0:24:26is that the things they are saying are so valid

0:24:26 > 0:24:29and so bang on to what we're trying to talk about

0:24:29 > 0:24:32and discuss in this programme, that I can't...

0:24:32 > 0:24:35I think frustrating is an understatement.

0:24:35 > 0:24:39Off camera, people told me they felt poverty and police harassment

0:24:39 > 0:24:41drove them to seek security in gangs.

0:24:41 > 0:24:44But they wouldn't tell me on camera.

0:24:44 > 0:24:47I want them to say to you guys what they've said to me,

0:24:47 > 0:24:50but they're never going to do it, on camera at least.

0:24:50 > 0:24:55Oh, it makes me angry. It makes me so angry.

0:24:55 > 0:24:58'Finally, one man does come forward.'

0:24:58 > 0:25:03- You up for talking?- Yeah. What's up? - Hello, man. You all right?

0:25:03 > 0:25:06'He's Shakeel Nascimento, aged 22 and a refugee from the Congo.

0:25:06 > 0:25:08'He's lived in London since he was 14

0:25:08 > 0:25:12'and he seems to know about gang life from the inside.'

0:25:12 > 0:25:15Would you say that you were involved in any gangs?

0:25:25 > 0:25:29'He clearly knows a lot about tensions in the area.'

0:25:29 > 0:25:32So how dangerous does it get around here?

0:25:36 > 0:25:39- Do you know what it was over? - No, I don't know.

0:25:41 > 0:25:44How easy is it to escalate from being just a normal kid

0:25:44 > 0:25:47who's getting in trouble at school?

0:25:59 > 0:26:02Shakeel wants to tell me more,

0:26:02 > 0:26:04but thinks he's said enough in front of his mates.

0:26:04 > 0:26:08We arrange to meet a few days later.

0:26:17 > 0:26:21London is just one of many places where teenage gangs

0:26:21 > 0:26:23have caused big problems.

0:26:24 > 0:26:27Two days after last summer's riots began in the capital,

0:26:27 > 0:26:29violence broke out on Merseyside too.

0:26:33 > 0:26:37A different city, different people, but many of the same problems,

0:26:37 > 0:26:41and teen gangs taking a large part of the blame.

0:26:42 > 0:26:45Gang turf wars here have reached as far as cyberspace.

0:26:47 > 0:26:51But they're also an alarming part of the real world too.

0:26:51 > 0:26:54I'm heading for the place that became the focus of the battle

0:26:54 > 0:26:58between the rival Nogga Dogz gang from Norris Green

0:26:58 > 0:27:01and the Crocky Crew from neighbouring Croxteth.

0:27:04 > 0:27:06In 2007, this pub car park

0:27:06 > 0:27:11was the scene of one of the most notorious teen gang shootings

0:27:11 > 0:27:12of recent times.

0:27:12 > 0:27:14- RADIO REPORT:- 'Breaking news this evening.

0:27:14 > 0:27:17'An 11-year-old boy has died after being shot in the head.'

0:27:17 > 0:27:19It was part of a turf war,

0:27:19 > 0:27:23but the victim was a boy who had nothing to do with gangs.

0:27:23 > 0:27:26He was just on his way home from football practice.

0:27:26 > 0:27:29- RADIO REPORT:- 'The 11-year-old boy had been playing football

0:27:29 > 0:27:30'in the Croxteth area of Liverpool.'

0:27:30 > 0:27:33Rhys Jones was killed by a bullet

0:27:33 > 0:27:37which had ricocheted off a wall and hit him in the back.

0:27:37 > 0:27:41The gun was fired by 16-year-old Sean Mercer.

0:27:41 > 0:27:44He'd intended to shoot a rival from Norris Green

0:27:44 > 0:27:47to earn his spurs.

0:27:47 > 0:27:49The boys who played football

0:27:49 > 0:27:52with Rhys Jones are now aged 15.

0:27:52 > 0:27:56This is their team, Fir Tree FC.

0:27:56 > 0:28:00I went to watch one of their weekly practice sessions,

0:28:00 > 0:28:03supervised by coach Steve Geoghegan.

0:28:03 > 0:28:07Although the dreadful night of Rhys' murder was over four years ago,

0:28:07 > 0:28:10it still has very painful memories.

0:28:10 > 0:28:12I remember it like it was yesterday actually.

0:28:12 > 0:28:15I never heard nothing, I never heard any gunshots.

0:28:15 > 0:28:17I don't know why, everyone else in the area did.

0:28:18 > 0:28:20I shouted to me dad

0:28:20 > 0:28:24that Rhys was on the floor over there, what's happened?

0:28:24 > 0:28:27Just before I got there,

0:28:27 > 0:28:31a girl got there, and she was screaming, "He's been shot."

0:28:31 > 0:28:33And nothing registered.

0:28:33 > 0:28:36He was bleeding quite a lot

0:28:36 > 0:28:39and I just remember I started crying, really.

0:28:39 > 0:28:42It was just numbness.

0:28:42 > 0:28:45I felt my whole body shaking

0:28:45 > 0:28:46and I didn't know what to do.

0:28:46 > 0:28:51I knew, you know...

0:28:51 > 0:28:53I knew Rhys had no chance.

0:28:58 > 0:29:01Fir Tree FC hosts an annual tournament in honour of Rhys.

0:29:01 > 0:29:05Teams from all over the country come to compete for the Rhys Jones Cup.

0:29:05 > 0:29:09That's a great ball. Well played!

0:29:09 > 0:29:12But, even on the football pitch, there are reminders

0:29:12 > 0:29:15that gang violence is only just below the surface.

0:29:15 > 0:29:19Some teams were causing us some problems. One team actually said

0:29:19 > 0:29:22they were going to come back and shoot us.

0:29:22 > 0:29:24And by what's happened to our team,

0:29:24 > 0:29:27we don't take threats like that lightly.

0:29:27 > 0:29:29Why did they want to shoot you guys?

0:29:29 > 0:29:31A bad tackle went in,

0:29:31 > 0:29:34and their team got quite aggressive.

0:29:34 > 0:29:37So what goes through your head

0:29:37 > 0:29:40when you think something as small as a tackle could cause a shooting?

0:29:40 > 0:29:44Like a bad tackle, they're obviously going to go in football.

0:29:44 > 0:29:46Just the heat of the moment and the game and stuff.

0:29:46 > 0:29:50But to say you're going to shoot someone because of a bad tackle,

0:29:50 > 0:29:52I find that quite disturbing.

0:29:52 > 0:29:55So a decent bunch of lads who want nothing more

0:29:55 > 0:30:00than to enjoy their football can be threatened so casually.

0:30:02 > 0:30:04I was learning that you can get drawn into street violence,

0:30:04 > 0:30:06whether you want to be or not.

0:30:09 > 0:30:11It seems like sometimes, you don't even have a choice.

0:30:17 > 0:30:19It may be easy to get caught up in that world,

0:30:19 > 0:30:22but what about getting out?

0:30:22 > 0:30:26Is it possible for young people to break free of their environment

0:30:26 > 0:30:27and leave the gang life?

0:30:27 > 0:30:30I've got an appointment with a guy in East London

0:30:30 > 0:30:32who I hope can give me some answers.

0:30:37 > 0:30:40Sheldon Thomas runs a project in Stratford

0:30:40 > 0:30:43to counsel and rehabilitate gang members.

0:30:43 > 0:30:46It's called TAG - Target Against Gangs.

0:30:46 > 0:30:48They use their strong Christian beliefs

0:30:48 > 0:30:51to try and convince young people that there is a way out.

0:30:51 > 0:30:55What we've done is to get the main players

0:30:55 > 0:30:59in these particular gangs

0:30:59 > 0:31:01and get them to change the guys in the gangs.

0:31:01 > 0:31:05So we've got a philosophy of each one, teach one, reach one.

0:31:06 > 0:31:09Today they are reaching out to a mother on this estate.

0:31:09 > 0:31:13Her 15-year-old son has become heavily involved in crime,

0:31:13 > 0:31:14and she's worried.

0:31:14 > 0:31:18Both Sheldon and his assistant Gavin McKenna

0:31:18 > 0:31:22are ex-gang members themselves, so they know the score.

0:31:22 > 0:31:24But they're not the only visitors today.

0:31:24 > 0:31:25Probably come to nick one of them.

0:31:25 > 0:31:28This happens all the time, you know what I mean?

0:31:28 > 0:31:31The 15-year-old has disappeared.

0:31:43 > 0:31:47But I discover there's more to the case.

0:31:47 > 0:31:50Last night, this house was visited by a gang

0:31:50 > 0:31:53who shot up the windows and front door. It's a message

0:31:53 > 0:31:56for the 15-year-old, and his family is living with the fall-out.

0:31:56 > 0:31:58People think, "Oh, this don't happen every day."

0:31:58 > 0:32:01- It happens every day. - No-one's doing nothing.

0:32:01 > 0:32:03I was just sitting talking to the mother and father.

0:32:03 > 0:32:06Look how distraught the mum was. "I have to live here."

0:32:06 > 0:32:08The son that's caused the trouble's never here.

0:32:08 > 0:32:13Sheldon's one of the people the government speaks to about gangs.

0:32:13 > 0:32:16He's even had a meeting with David Cameron.

0:32:16 > 0:32:20Today I'm watching him in action.

0:32:20 > 0:32:24What's Sheldon's take on personal responsibility versus environment?

0:32:24 > 0:32:27Does he think it's down to the individual,

0:32:27 > 0:32:31or is it about forces beyond their control?

0:32:31 > 0:32:35But before we get round to any of that, he receives an urgent call.

0:32:35 > 0:32:38You don't need to worry so much about the six-year-olds.

0:32:38 > 0:32:41It's more the 8, 9, and 10-year-olds.

0:32:41 > 0:32:43A teacher in East London is worried about a gang problem at her school.

0:32:43 > 0:32:4510-year-olds are very sneaky

0:32:45 > 0:32:49because they are getting drafted in at that young age.

0:32:49 > 0:32:51You are hearing it right.

0:32:51 > 0:32:55Sheldon is talking about primary school kids.

0:32:55 > 0:32:58In this particular school, they're already showing signs

0:32:58 > 0:33:01that something's not quite right with some of the older guys

0:33:01 > 0:33:04who are about to go to secondary school. They're ten years old.

0:33:04 > 0:33:06How would you draw in someone that young?

0:33:06 > 0:33:09Very rarely do you hear of a policeman stopping a 10-year-old.

0:33:09 > 0:33:12They know that, so they give them young guys a little £10.

0:33:12 > 0:33:15£10 to a 10-year-old is lots of money.

0:33:15 > 0:33:18Before you know it, that's how they get trapped.

0:33:18 > 0:33:21£10, another £10, now he's got money.

0:33:21 > 0:33:23He ain't getting much money at home

0:33:23 > 0:33:25because obviously Mum's maybe struggling or whatever.

0:33:25 > 0:33:28So that's how these guys are getting caught up in it.

0:33:28 > 0:33:30Wow. OK.

0:33:30 > 0:33:33No wonder Sheldon thinks prayer is the answer.

0:33:33 > 0:33:35HE PRAYS

0:33:37 > 0:33:39Christianity is at the heart of his project.

0:33:39 > 0:33:43Keep our mind focused on the young men that we have

0:33:43 > 0:33:45to go out and sow a seed to.

0:33:45 > 0:33:47Father, let us have our goals fixed on them

0:33:47 > 0:33:49to bring them into the Kingdom.

0:33:49 > 0:33:52Today, we're talking about, "Who am I?"

0:33:52 > 0:33:55Because everything we do has to relate to what

0:33:55 > 0:33:56the man on the road's doing.

0:33:56 > 0:33:59Sheldon's style is like a street preacher.

0:33:59 > 0:34:01They step, one step, they're pulled right back...

0:34:01 > 0:34:04He starts by getting his team of former gang members

0:34:04 > 0:34:07to think about the things we can't control which upset us.

0:34:07 > 0:34:09Just touch on it. What exactly are you angry about?

0:34:09 > 0:34:12- A father figure. - What are you angry about?

0:34:12 > 0:34:14- Things that happened in the past. - Exactly.

0:34:14 > 0:34:18I've come to observe, but I'm being asked to offer my own thoughts too.

0:34:20 > 0:34:24I guess, frustrations, various frustrations.

0:34:24 > 0:34:28'Sheldon demonstrates how these outside issues can weigh us down.'

0:34:28 > 0:34:32This is what they're carrying. This is them.

0:34:32 > 0:34:36He believes we have to accept the hand we've been dealt and move on,

0:34:36 > 0:34:38rather than letting outside frustrations hold us back.

0:34:38 > 0:34:40I don't have to get up in the morning

0:34:40 > 0:34:44and be angry at something I can't do nothing about.

0:34:44 > 0:34:47What we can do something about, watch this, is about us.

0:34:47 > 0:34:49'It's a persuasive message.'

0:34:49 > 0:34:53The thing that came across for me was some of the stuff that he said

0:34:53 > 0:34:55actually really applied to me, you know.

0:34:55 > 0:34:59My start out isn't that different to some of the people in room.

0:34:59 > 0:35:03Hearing what Sheldon had to say rung true with me in some places.

0:35:03 > 0:35:07Although I'd experienced some of the frustrations

0:35:07 > 0:35:09I'd heard here tonight,

0:35:09 > 0:35:12I didn't join a street gang, whereas they did.

0:35:12 > 0:35:16Should I take credit for that? Or had I just been lucky?

0:35:16 > 0:35:18I left with more questions than answers.

0:35:28 > 0:35:32It's been a week since my visit to the Hotspot in South London.

0:35:32 > 0:35:36Remember I'd arranged to meet with Shakeel, the guy from the Congo?

0:35:36 > 0:35:38The only one who would talk?

0:35:38 > 0:35:41He's been in touch and agreed where to meet.

0:35:41 > 0:35:44'Not at the Hotspot, but at a cafe in West London

0:35:44 > 0:35:48'where no-one will recognise him.'

0:35:48 > 0:35:50I'm hoping that away from the Hotspot

0:35:50 > 0:35:54he'll open up further about whether or not he'd had a proper choice

0:35:54 > 0:35:56about getting involved in gang life.

0:36:00 > 0:36:06After an hour, I was wondering whether he would come at all.

0:36:06 > 0:36:09When he finally turns up, there's an explanation.

0:36:09 > 0:36:10The arrival of his new baby.

0:36:12 > 0:36:14Shakeel. Hello, man. How you doing?

0:36:14 > 0:36:18- You all right?- Yeah.- Good to see you, bruv. You OK?- Fine, thanks.

0:36:18 > 0:36:20- You look tired.- Yeah.

0:36:28 > 0:36:32Were you in the room when the baby was born?

0:36:37 > 0:36:39Social Services were involved?

0:36:49 > 0:36:52Do you think it may have come from

0:36:52 > 0:36:55your reputation and what you do?

0:37:09 > 0:37:12Shakeel's begun to open up, but I want to push him further.

0:37:12 > 0:37:14He may live near the Hotspot in Stockwell,

0:37:14 > 0:37:17but don't he and his friends have a choice

0:37:17 > 0:37:19about getting involved in gangs?

0:37:19 > 0:37:21Tell me about that t-shirt.

0:37:27 > 0:37:29What happened?

0:37:34 > 0:37:35Not far from the Hotspot?

0:37:39 > 0:37:41He was a good kid? Do you think it was mistaken identity?

0:37:51 > 0:37:55But Shakeel's gang hadn't just been victims of violence,

0:37:55 > 0:37:57they were behind some of it too.

0:37:57 > 0:37:59What sort of stuff did you do then?

0:38:01 > 0:38:02Like what?

0:38:04 > 0:38:06Are these violent things?

0:38:17 > 0:38:18Are you proud of it?

0:38:20 > 0:38:21Are you proud of what you did?

0:38:24 > 0:38:25What's your view on gangs?

0:38:25 > 0:38:28Why do you think there's so many in the city right now?

0:38:35 > 0:38:36What's the right reason?

0:38:49 > 0:38:50Shakeel had to leave.

0:38:50 > 0:38:53I appreciated how honest he'd been with me,

0:38:53 > 0:38:59but I was left wondering how he would manage away from his estate.

0:38:59 > 0:39:03Could someone who'd been so deeply involved in gangs

0:39:03 > 0:39:04ever really find a way out?

0:39:05 > 0:39:09Having a daughter means that he's got a reason to turn a corner,

0:39:09 > 0:39:10and I hope that he'll do it.

0:39:10 > 0:39:13But with the level that he was in before,

0:39:13 > 0:39:16and the fact that he's been through so much, the question is,

0:39:16 > 0:39:17can he actually do that?

0:39:21 > 0:39:25I'm heading back to the other side of London to see Talisa.

0:39:25 > 0:39:30She's another one who's found it hard to escape the world of gangs.

0:39:30 > 0:39:32She's trying, but is she succeeding?

0:39:34 > 0:39:37Tonight I'm invited for dinner with Talisa and her mum, Juliet.

0:39:37 > 0:39:40The family has had its fair share of problems.

0:39:40 > 0:39:42As I was about to find out.

0:39:44 > 0:39:46How you doing?

0:39:46 > 0:39:48Yeah, good, thank you. I can smell dinner.

0:39:48 > 0:39:53First I wanted to try and talk to Talisa's mum on her own.

0:39:53 > 0:39:55On the menu was a Ghanian speciality.

0:39:55 > 0:39:58- Hey, Juliet. Can I pop in? - Come in, Reggie.- How's it going?

0:39:58 > 0:39:59- Lovely.- Nice.

0:39:59 > 0:40:02- Can you smell the food? - It does smell good. Jollof, yeah?

0:40:02 > 0:40:05- Yes, jollof.- Wonderful.

0:40:05 > 0:40:06Jollof is...

0:40:06 > 0:40:09The bombshell for Juliet was discovering

0:40:09 > 0:40:11that Talisa was taking drugs.

0:40:11 > 0:40:13I had no idea she was even smoking cannabis

0:40:13 > 0:40:16until she came back from school one day

0:40:16 > 0:40:19and I happened to be searching through her bags, just by chance.

0:40:19 > 0:40:22And there was a card in there that said, "Girl, lay off the weed."

0:40:22 > 0:40:26You know, it never occurred to me, none of my family ever smokes dope.

0:40:26 > 0:40:29I didn't even know what was meant by "weed."

0:40:29 > 0:40:32She described one of her lowest points as when she was stabbed.

0:40:32 > 0:40:35After that happened, did you fear for your daughter's life?

0:40:35 > 0:40:38I was... I went into a state of shock.

0:40:38 > 0:40:41I allowed my daughter to go away from me so far, as to get into gangs,

0:40:41 > 0:40:43and to be stabbed, as well.

0:40:43 > 0:40:46Just showed me where everything was going,

0:40:46 > 0:40:49and I had to take a deep breath and stop.

0:40:49 > 0:40:53Do you feel that she's 100 percent away from the person she was?

0:40:53 > 0:40:55I'd say 78 percent!

0:40:55 > 0:40:58So, what about the remaining percent?

0:40:58 > 0:41:00What is it that's still... what's keeping her?

0:41:00 > 0:41:03She's not completely open to me,

0:41:03 > 0:41:05but I've developed a sixth sense about her,

0:41:05 > 0:41:07and I can tell when she's telling the truth,

0:41:07 > 0:41:09and I tell when she's not telling the truth.

0:41:09 > 0:41:13Juliet was clearly doing her best,

0:41:13 > 0:41:16but I wanted to know how family life had affected Talisa.

0:41:18 > 0:41:19Her mum and dad were divorced,

0:41:19 > 0:41:22but now live separate lives under the same roof.

0:41:22 > 0:41:27Over dinner, it didn't take long for the issue

0:41:27 > 0:41:29of her parents' relationship to emerge.

0:41:29 > 0:41:34I mean, knowing that you're close, and that you've got a relationship,

0:41:34 > 0:41:39how do you feel about knowing that what you did in the past

0:41:39 > 0:41:43hurt your mother so much and damaged your relationship with her?

0:41:43 > 0:41:48Well, it's more complicated to say, but, I didn't intentionally

0:41:48 > 0:41:51mean to hurt her, but through my child life, my mum and dad

0:41:51 > 0:41:55never got along, and my brother's more close to my mum,

0:41:55 > 0:41:56and I was more close to my dad,

0:41:56 > 0:41:59it's like I didn't have to fight for attention.

0:41:59 > 0:42:02But I know my mum cares about me,

0:42:02 > 0:42:05but because my mum and dad always used to argue, it confused me about

0:42:05 > 0:42:08who to like and who not to trust, and who to love and who to not.

0:42:08 > 0:42:11So, when my dad left, I thought my rock left,

0:42:11 > 0:42:14because my dad was like the person I loved the most in the world.

0:42:14 > 0:42:18So, when he left it just broke my heart, my world just went to an end.

0:42:20 > 0:42:22For the first time,

0:42:22 > 0:42:24I feel we are getting to the heart of Talisa's problem.

0:42:24 > 0:42:27In her eyes, everything came down to her mum and dad's separation.

0:42:28 > 0:42:31How did you feel about your mother at the time?

0:42:31 > 0:42:32I didn't hate her,

0:42:32 > 0:42:35but I just didn't understand why it couldn't work out.

0:42:35 > 0:42:38I was ten when my dad left. I was still at that age.

0:42:38 > 0:42:41It was just really about me trying to find myself,

0:42:41 > 0:42:43and trying to scream out for attention.

0:42:43 > 0:42:46She knew she had to get away from me,

0:42:46 > 0:42:48because I was perpetrator of her unhappiness,

0:42:48 > 0:42:50because her father had to leave.

0:42:50 > 0:42:52But she was too young to understand the ins and outs,

0:42:52 > 0:42:55she'd seen the police being called to this house before

0:42:55 > 0:42:57and she knew what was happening.

0:42:57 > 0:43:00But when the break finally came she wasn't ready for it,

0:43:00 > 0:43:02and so she thought, "My mum's deprived me of my father,

0:43:02 > 0:43:04"I'm going to be bad."

0:43:04 > 0:43:07- You thought I didn't care about you?- Yes, 60 percent. Yeah.

0:43:07 > 0:43:10At that time how important were your friends to you?

0:43:10 > 0:43:12That was the only thing that didn't give me problems.

0:43:12 > 0:43:14You saw your mum as a problem...

0:43:14 > 0:43:18We were arguing a lot at those times and she kicked me out before,

0:43:18 > 0:43:20so there was a lot of arguments,

0:43:20 > 0:43:22and I didn't feel wanted here, and I felt like a dog.

0:43:22 > 0:43:25It wasn't because I didn't want to be with her,

0:43:25 > 0:43:29it was because I felt that this wasn't my house any more.

0:43:29 > 0:43:32It must have taken a lot of courage for Talisa

0:43:32 > 0:43:34and her mother to speak openly.

0:43:34 > 0:43:37I've had a chance to meet a mum who understands

0:43:37 > 0:43:39the importance of a stable family.

0:43:39 > 0:43:42And how disruptive it can prove

0:43:42 > 0:43:44if the influence of a parent is taken away.

0:43:44 > 0:43:48So what does that mean for Talisa's future?

0:43:48 > 0:43:50I think the fact that her mother has embraced her

0:43:50 > 0:43:51in the way that she has

0:43:51 > 0:43:53is a key part on keeping her on the straight and narrow,

0:43:53 > 0:43:55and moving forward as she wants.

0:43:55 > 0:43:59If Talisa is able to become the person she wants to be,

0:43:59 > 0:44:02her mother is a key part in making that happen.

0:44:07 > 0:44:11Back in the North West, there's someone else I want to see.

0:44:11 > 0:44:14He lives on this estate in Skelmersdale,

0:44:14 > 0:44:1615 miles outside of Liverpool.

0:44:18 > 0:44:21He's the writer and lead rapper on this video.

0:44:24 > 0:44:28The song warns about the dangers of carrying knives.

0:44:31 > 0:44:34- JJ.- How are you? Nice to see you. - Nice to meet you.

0:44:34 > 0:44:35- You all right?- Yeah, good.

0:44:35 > 0:44:39JJ Hunter was once a member of a gang that terrorized this estate.

0:44:39 > 0:44:41Now he's going straight.

0:44:41 > 0:44:46He's got strong views on what drives young people into gang crime.

0:44:46 > 0:44:47One word - money.

0:44:47 > 0:44:51The people who are driving cars that are worth fifty grand,

0:44:51 > 0:44:53and moving away into big houses,

0:44:53 > 0:44:55so they start seeing what they're earning

0:44:55 > 0:44:56and what they're doing,

0:44:56 > 0:44:58and they want to progress with that, don't they?

0:44:58 > 0:45:01I think that's where it starts, to be honest with you.

0:45:01 > 0:45:04Seeing people with a lot of money and lot of respect,

0:45:04 > 0:45:06and then you want to aim for that, as a child,

0:45:06 > 0:45:08like you don't know any different really.

0:45:08 > 0:45:11So, when you were younger you saw the gang lifestyle as glamorous?

0:45:11 > 0:45:13Yeah, to be honest with you,

0:45:13 > 0:45:16it's stupid to say at this age now, but at the time, definitely, yeah.

0:45:16 > 0:45:19I've been bouncing from one side to the other,

0:45:19 > 0:45:22in terms of how I look at how young people get involved in gangs,

0:45:22 > 0:45:26some people say it's environment, some people say it's attitudes,

0:45:26 > 0:45:29and I came into this believing it's just about the person,

0:45:29 > 0:45:30it's the individual.

0:45:30 > 0:45:33What do you believe is the real reason for young people

0:45:33 > 0:45:35getting involved?

0:45:35 > 0:45:37I wouldn't say the person, that's just my perspective,

0:45:37 > 0:45:41I'd say the environment and the family members.

0:45:41 > 0:45:43Like I said, if you're living in an environment

0:45:43 > 0:45:45where there's not much going on,

0:45:45 > 0:45:47and you see people doing more than what you are,

0:45:47 > 0:45:51and making a lot more money, I think, that entices you, doesn't it?

0:45:51 > 0:45:54And that's part of your environment, not yourself, isn't?

0:45:59 > 0:46:03It's a simple idea, but thinking back, the temptation of easy money

0:46:03 > 0:46:07was something I'd heard from Sheldon and Aaron in London.

0:46:07 > 0:46:10'You got to go and get money however you can get it.

0:46:10 > 0:46:12'That's the mentality of the young people.

0:46:12 > 0:46:16'Ten pounds, another ten pounds. Now he's got money.'

0:46:16 > 0:46:20Then there was the gang in Stockwell, the All Bout Money gang.

0:46:20 > 0:46:22Maybe money is really what it's all about

0:46:22 > 0:46:26for many kids in teenage gangs. And what did Talisa say to me?

0:46:26 > 0:46:30'Need to sell drugs. I didn't really care, as long as I got the money.'

0:46:31 > 0:46:35As a teenager, I too was faced with the temptation

0:46:35 > 0:46:37of earning fast money.

0:46:37 > 0:46:40But I was also lucky to be given opportunities in the TV world.

0:46:40 > 0:46:45So, personal responsibility versus environment.

0:46:45 > 0:46:48What do I think now?

0:46:49 > 0:46:53I came into this journey believing that it's all about the individual

0:46:53 > 0:46:57and about a person believing that they can essentially take

0:46:57 > 0:47:00their environment, ignore it, and move forward,

0:47:00 > 0:47:03regardless of what's happening in their own lives,

0:47:03 > 0:47:06but, off the back of spending some time out here in the North West,

0:47:06 > 0:47:08my mind's starting to change a little bit.

0:47:08 > 0:47:10I'm a very proud and stubborn person,

0:47:10 > 0:47:14and I don't like to be proved wrong, but I definitely believe

0:47:14 > 0:47:17environment is a massive part of how well a young person can do,

0:47:17 > 0:47:19and whether a person gets pulled into drugs, gangs,

0:47:19 > 0:47:21criminality or not.

0:47:32 > 0:47:36I'm reaching the end of my journey, and it is time to say my goodbyes.

0:47:39 > 0:47:43Back in London, Shakeel had told us he was on a decorating course

0:47:43 > 0:47:46at this college in Greenwich, but he's gone off the radar again.

0:47:46 > 0:47:50I was hoping this would be the best place to pay him a last visit.

0:47:50 > 0:47:54I think Shakeel seems to be a guy who understands

0:47:54 > 0:47:57what this opportunity actually represents,

0:47:57 > 0:48:00and hopefully today, we'll see him embrace that.

0:48:00 > 0:48:02- Hello, Benita?- Hello, Reg.- Reg...

0:48:02 > 0:48:06Benita Ager runs the college and she was happy to show me around.

0:48:06 > 0:48:10They're here from nine in the morning till about 3:30.

0:48:10 > 0:48:13They specialise in offering opportunities

0:48:13 > 0:48:16to young people from deprived backgrounds.

0:48:16 > 0:48:19Just right for Shakeel - it was a place that could give him

0:48:19 > 0:48:23hope and an honest future. So where was he?

0:48:24 > 0:48:26He was excited about the course, we brought him on.

0:48:26 > 0:48:28He only attended for a couple of days.

0:48:28 > 0:48:29He did his induction.

0:48:29 > 0:48:32Hang on a second, he only attended for a couple of days?

0:48:32 > 0:48:34- Yeah.- So, is he not here today?

0:48:34 > 0:48:36He's not here any more, he's off the course now.

0:48:36 > 0:48:38Why is he off the course?

0:48:38 > 0:48:39Because he just didn't attend.

0:48:39 > 0:48:42We've rang him, he said he was ill one day,

0:48:42 > 0:48:44then he said he'd definitely be in the next day,

0:48:44 > 0:48:47and the third time we've rang, he switched his phone off.

0:48:47 > 0:48:51- We rang him an extra four times, we just couldn't get hold of him.- Right.

0:48:54 > 0:48:59That was a bit disappointing, wasn't it?

0:48:59 > 0:49:03The idea was to see Shakeel at work, as it were,

0:49:03 > 0:49:06and see him actively going out of his way to try

0:49:06 > 0:49:10and do something with himself, and he's not here,

0:49:10 > 0:49:12and he's not been here for a while,

0:49:12 > 0:49:16and I'm a little bit disappointed, if I'm honest.

0:49:20 > 0:49:25Hello, is that Shakeel? How you doing, mate? It's Reggie.

0:49:25 > 0:49:28How you doing? Have you just woken up?

0:49:28 > 0:49:31Why have you just woken up?

0:49:31 > 0:49:33Why are you stressed out?

0:49:33 > 0:49:36He agrees to meet by the river an hour later.

0:49:36 > 0:49:39But I'm worried this might be another no-show.

0:49:46 > 0:49:47When he turns up,

0:49:47 > 0:49:50he looks like a man who really doesn't want to be here.

0:49:52 > 0:49:54How you doing? You all right?

0:49:56 > 0:49:58You sure? You don't look it.

0:50:00 > 0:50:03Talk to me, man, what's up? What happened?

0:50:03 > 0:50:06How come you haven't been going to your classes?

0:50:15 > 0:50:18What is it that's so hard about putting yourself out there?

0:50:23 > 0:50:25Do you know what, Shakeel?

0:50:25 > 0:50:27There's people watching this right now that don't know you,

0:50:27 > 0:50:30don't understand the choices that you're having to make right now,

0:50:30 > 0:50:32they're going to be thinking,

0:50:32 > 0:50:33"If he just grinds it out,

0:50:33 > 0:50:35"gets himself a job, does what he has to do

0:50:35 > 0:50:38"and just swallows his pride, everything will work itself out."

0:50:56 > 0:50:57Well, you say you're being real,

0:50:57 > 0:50:59have you stepped back into that world...?

0:51:06 > 0:51:08The last thing I want to see you do is go down

0:51:08 > 0:51:10a road that you don't want to go down

0:51:10 > 0:51:13but it feels like everything is pushing you in that direction.

0:51:13 > 0:51:15Where you going to end up in two years, bruv?

0:51:19 > 0:51:21I don't want you to go the wrong way, brother,

0:51:21 > 0:51:24but this might actually be the last time I speak to you,

0:51:24 > 0:51:26and I don't want to walk away thinking

0:51:26 > 0:51:28that you're going to go in the wrong direction.

0:51:28 > 0:51:29What do you think is going to happen to you?

0:51:37 > 0:51:39What do you really want for yourself?

0:51:44 > 0:51:47And how do you think you're going to achieve that right now?

0:52:03 > 0:52:06'I really want Shakeel to keep the promise he's just made to me

0:52:06 > 0:52:07'to give it a go,

0:52:07 > 0:52:10'but sometimes wanting isn't enough.'

0:52:11 > 0:52:13Look after yourself.

0:52:13 > 0:52:16'I'm sad to be saying goodbye,

0:52:16 > 0:52:18'I feel that Shakeel needs long-term help,

0:52:18 > 0:52:21'but he's also got to learn to help himself.

0:52:23 > 0:52:25'Let's hope he makes it.

0:52:28 > 0:52:30'Back at the project in Covent Garden,

0:52:30 > 0:52:34'one person at least is trying to make the best of his opportunities.

0:52:34 > 0:52:38'Not only is Aaron becoming a success as a mentor,

0:52:38 > 0:52:40'but they've also given him a job.

0:52:40 > 0:52:43'Three days a week he earns eight pounds an hour doing admin,

0:52:43 > 0:52:47'but it's less than what he would earn in a street gang.'

0:52:47 > 0:52:50It tempts me every day. I see it every day.

0:52:50 > 0:52:53It's part of my environment, that's all I see,

0:52:53 > 0:52:55but, erm...it's a conscious decision

0:52:55 > 0:52:58I've got to make as to, you know, where I see myself,

0:52:58 > 0:53:01my family, my friends,

0:53:01 > 0:53:03the people what's gave me opportunities now.

0:53:03 > 0:53:06I can't let everyone down like that.

0:53:06 > 0:53:08And what about Talisa?

0:53:08 > 0:53:11How is she coping with life away from her gang?

0:53:11 > 0:53:13Is she strong enough to do the right thing

0:53:13 > 0:53:17and resist the lure of easy money through drugs?

0:53:17 > 0:53:20I want to help but I know it's up to her.

0:53:20 > 0:53:22I said we'd go shopping

0:53:22 > 0:53:25to see if she's managing to budget for herself,

0:53:25 > 0:53:26but when we meet,

0:53:26 > 0:53:30she says she's just had to pay £200 in rent arrears...

0:53:31 > 0:53:32..so I lend her 20 quid.

0:53:35 > 0:53:38I've got to ask you, if we hadn't have helped you out today,

0:53:38 > 0:53:41erm, how would you have paid for your shopping,

0:53:41 > 0:53:44or would there even have been any shopping today?

0:53:44 > 0:53:47- There would have been no shopping. I'm not going to lie to you.- No?- No.

0:53:47 > 0:53:49What do you do in situations like that?

0:53:49 > 0:53:51You just depend on your friends.

0:53:51 > 0:53:53That is actually expensive.

0:53:55 > 0:53:57So with the money that you're living off now from benefits,

0:53:57 > 0:53:59where is all that money going?

0:53:59 > 0:54:03- Be honest with me here.- Yeah. - Are you smoking any of that money?

0:54:03 > 0:54:05Not as much as before.

0:54:05 > 0:54:07A little bit, yeah, but not as much as before.

0:54:07 > 0:54:11So what would happen if you stopped smoking?

0:54:11 > 0:54:13- Do you not think...- Save money. Save the money.

0:54:13 > 0:54:16Even though I haven't smoked for three or four days, I feel fine.

0:54:16 > 0:54:19It's just that when I get the money it's a bit tempting, but...

0:54:19 > 0:54:23I hate to sound like an annoying art teacher or something,

0:54:23 > 0:54:27but in the next 12 months, you're going to need to focus and not be drawn back in,

0:54:27 > 0:54:28but, from what you're saying,

0:54:28 > 0:54:31- there's a good chance you will be drawn back in.- I won't, I promise.

0:54:31 > 0:54:33Well, tell me something that will make me believe

0:54:33 > 0:54:35that you won't be drawn back in.

0:54:35 > 0:54:37If I went back, I'd be a bigger fool than I am now,

0:54:37 > 0:54:40and feeling like a fool I don't like that feeling.

0:54:40 > 0:54:42I'm not saying, "Never say never,"

0:54:42 > 0:54:44but I know this is not going to happen.

0:54:44 > 0:54:48You've just got to trust me on this one, Reg.

0:54:48 > 0:54:49Trust me.

0:54:58 > 0:55:00When I started this journey,

0:55:00 > 0:55:02I thought that you make your own choices in life,

0:55:02 > 0:55:06and that you just have to live with the consequences.

0:55:06 > 0:55:07I'd always had to accept that,

0:55:07 > 0:55:10and I believed that everyone else should do the same,

0:55:10 > 0:55:12but what I've seen these last few months

0:55:12 > 0:55:14has changed the way I feel.

0:55:16 > 0:55:17I came into this process

0:55:17 > 0:55:20believing that a person is in charge of their own destiny,

0:55:20 > 0:55:24but since meeting people like Shakeel and Talisa,

0:55:24 > 0:55:27I think environment has a huge say on how far someone can go.

0:55:29 > 0:55:31I think, more than anything,

0:55:31 > 0:55:34I've got a new-found respect for how fortunate I have been.

0:55:34 > 0:55:37I found myself at a crossroads when I was younger,

0:55:37 > 0:55:40and I had to make a very clear decision

0:55:40 > 0:55:42not to go down a certain path.

0:55:42 > 0:55:45I've looked at anybody who's made a bad decision

0:55:45 > 0:55:49that's had a tough start as weak and as stupid

0:55:49 > 0:55:52to a certain extent and...

0:55:54 > 0:55:57..I think I've learned that there's much more to somebody

0:55:57 > 0:55:58who's finding it tough,

0:55:58 > 0:56:01especially somebody in a teenage gang.

0:56:02 > 0:56:04This process has taught me

0:56:04 > 0:56:08a hell of a lot about how hard it is to make a positive decision

0:56:08 > 0:56:10when a negative decision can benefit you massively,

0:56:10 > 0:56:12in the short term at least,

0:56:12 > 0:56:15and when you're living hand-to-mouth,

0:56:15 > 0:56:18the short term is so much more important.

0:56:20 > 0:56:22Perhaps what the young people I've met really need

0:56:22 > 0:56:24is a long-term future

0:56:24 > 0:56:26that they believe is worth keeping out of trouble for.

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