0:00:02 > 0:00:05This programme contains some violent scenes and scenes which some viewers may find upsetting.
0:00:05 > 0:00:07So what would you do to protect yourself?
0:00:07 > 0:00:09Are you saying people want you dead? What was it?
0:00:15 > 0:00:17I'm Jermaine Jenas, ex-footballer and pundit,
0:00:17 > 0:00:20and I'm going to explore the rise in knife crime
0:00:20 > 0:00:23that's devastating lives across our nation.
0:00:23 > 0:00:26- NEWS REPORTS:- Tributes have been paid to a 15-year-old boy who was
0:00:26 > 0:00:27stabbed to death outside...
0:00:27 > 0:00:30A 17-year-old died from a stab wound to the heart...
0:00:30 > 0:00:34A knife or blade was used in a crime every 60 minutes...
0:00:34 > 0:00:36Two teenagers have been seriously injured
0:00:36 > 0:00:38in a suspected stabbing in Nottingham last night.
0:00:38 > 0:00:40Although knife crime is a problem across the UK,
0:00:40 > 0:00:43there has been a spike in Nottingham,
0:00:43 > 0:00:44where I was born and bred.
0:00:44 > 0:00:47We are seeing more severe stab wounds.
0:00:47 > 0:00:49DISTORTED VOICE:
0:00:49 > 0:00:52I know people that have been stabbed metres away from my house
0:00:52 > 0:00:56and our community doesn't really exist.
0:00:56 > 0:00:59'I care about my city so I've come back to find out why there
0:00:59 > 0:01:01'has been a rise in knife crime here.'
0:01:01 > 0:01:05This is how it all ends up, somebody losing a son, a friend.
0:01:05 > 0:01:07It creates hate.
0:01:07 > 0:01:11I want to see what can be done to stop the violence and the killing.
0:01:22 > 0:01:24Football changed my life.
0:01:24 > 0:01:26It gave me incredible opportunities.
0:01:26 > 0:01:30I played for Premiership clubs and my country, all around the world.
0:01:30 > 0:01:35For me, that journey began here, in my hometown, Nottingham.
0:01:37 > 0:01:39You hear about knife crime.
0:01:39 > 0:01:41I think to physically see it,
0:01:41 > 0:01:44that's when it hits you and I remember going to the barber's shop
0:01:44 > 0:01:47and I used to park my car just, like, round the corner.
0:01:47 > 0:01:51I saw this guy who was literally just squatted down in an alleyway.
0:01:51 > 0:01:53He had a balaclava on.
0:01:53 > 0:01:56Four or five of them kind of rushed around the corner.
0:01:56 > 0:01:58They wanted my jewellery.
0:01:58 > 0:02:01They had were weapons on them and your immediate reaction
0:02:01 > 0:02:04is you stiffen up, you want to fight but you just can't.
0:02:04 > 0:02:06You're helpless.
0:02:06 > 0:02:10It was scary because you feel like you have an element of control.
0:02:10 > 0:02:13You've made it from a tough area to go and play for your club.
0:02:13 > 0:02:15I mean, I captained Forest when I was like 17.
0:02:15 > 0:02:18There's a respect level that you get from that.
0:02:18 > 0:02:21You walk round the city, grown men respect you.
0:02:21 > 0:02:23Young kids look up to you.
0:02:23 > 0:02:25That completely neutralised it.
0:02:25 > 0:02:28All of a sudden, you're nobody again because, you know,
0:02:28 > 0:02:30these people that are carrying these weapons,
0:02:30 > 0:02:31they've got no respect for anybody.
0:02:31 > 0:02:33And that was the time when I properly
0:02:33 > 0:02:35fell out of love with Nottingham.
0:02:39 > 0:02:43I grew up in Clifton, which is way down there somewhere
0:02:43 > 0:02:46in the distance, but robbery was the thing.
0:02:46 > 0:02:50But that robbery has now turned into murders.
0:02:50 > 0:02:53I didn't come from the privileged position that I'm in now.
0:02:53 > 0:02:57It was me and my mum and... there was times when bailiffs
0:02:57 > 0:03:02were knocking on the door but I was fortunate to have good friends.
0:03:02 > 0:03:03Good family.
0:03:07 > 0:03:11So when you go round to interview people,
0:03:11 > 0:03:13will they have knives on them?
0:03:13 > 0:03:15- Have you, you know...- Probably.
0:03:15 > 0:03:17I want to see what these guys are just like.
0:03:17 > 0:03:19Do they just roll around and be like, "Yeah, I've got a knife."
0:03:19 > 0:03:22- Do I need to be worried about this? - I'm hoping, to be fair,
0:03:22 > 0:03:24that there is a level of respect form somebody like myself,
0:03:24 > 0:03:26being from Nottingham,
0:03:26 > 0:03:30who's prepared to take an interest in what they're doing,
0:03:30 > 0:03:32because I personally think that it only ends
0:03:32 > 0:03:34- in a couple of ways and none are good.- Yeah.
0:03:34 > 0:03:37- Jail or death.- Yeah.
0:03:37 > 0:03:40As a parent, to think that your child is going to go out
0:03:40 > 0:03:44and that might happen... really, really scary to me.
0:03:45 > 0:03:48This fear has become a reality for some.
0:03:51 > 0:03:55I feel so heartbroken when I come up here to the cemetery,
0:03:55 > 0:04:01when I look at my child... I always say, "Why?"
0:04:04 > 0:04:07Trish's son died from a knife attack after being robbed
0:04:07 > 0:04:10only yards from their front door.
0:04:15 > 0:04:16This must be tough.
0:04:16 > 0:04:17Very.
0:04:18 > 0:04:21You know, my son was only 27 years of age.
0:04:24 > 0:04:26And I really, really miss him.
0:04:27 > 0:04:30And he shouldn't be here.
0:04:30 > 0:04:33You know, I have been robbed of so many things,
0:04:33 > 0:04:39grandchildren, love and all the sort of things that family would do.
0:04:40 > 0:04:47He was a DJ and he would always play the music so loud upstairs.
0:04:47 > 0:04:49Two brothers fighting.
0:04:49 > 0:04:51I miss that.
0:04:51 > 0:04:53You know, the house is so quiet.
0:04:53 > 0:04:55- It's the simple things of... - The simple things.
0:04:55 > 0:04:57- Two sons grow up together, and... - Exactly.
0:04:57 > 0:05:00He wasn't in any fighting.
0:05:00 > 0:05:01He wasn't in any gangs.
0:05:01 > 0:05:03He wasn't dealing.
0:05:03 > 0:05:06- He was an innocent party in what happened to him.- Yeah.
0:05:06 > 0:05:08I'm a parent.
0:05:08 > 0:05:12I've got three girls, luckily enough, and just...
0:05:12 > 0:05:16the thoughts that go through the head of what this must be like
0:05:16 > 0:05:19for you to have to stand here when he was taken so young.
0:05:19 > 0:05:21- I mean, I can't bring myself to... - Yes.
0:05:21 > 0:05:23..to contemplate, to be honest with you.
0:05:23 > 0:05:24No.
0:05:24 > 0:05:30And there is so many mothers out there who is going through
0:05:30 > 0:05:32the same thing.
0:05:32 > 0:05:34It's got to stop.
0:05:50 > 0:05:52# I smoked weed ass a young 'un
0:05:52 > 0:05:55# Now my mind has ceased to function proper
0:05:55 > 0:05:56# I walk with my hand on a chopper,
0:05:56 > 0:05:59# Thinking I could easily stick my knife in your windpipe... #
0:05:59 > 0:06:02Can you give me any reasons why there has been such
0:06:02 > 0:06:03a rise in knife crime in Nottingham?
0:06:03 > 0:06:07I dug out a stat that showed that one in every 25 crimes across
0:06:07 > 0:06:10Nottingham involved a knife and I think what that shows is that
0:06:10 > 0:06:14there's almost this culture of carrying a knife across the city.
0:06:17 > 0:06:19Ben is a former Nottingham crime journalist
0:06:19 > 0:06:22who has reported on knife attacks across the city.
0:06:22 > 0:06:26Every time I made that call to police, I would say,
0:06:26 > 0:06:28"It's a knife crime incident.
0:06:28 > 0:06:30"It's a stabbing, it's a slashing.
0:06:30 > 0:06:32"It's a threatening with a knife."
0:06:32 > 0:06:34You speak to communities and then you realise how scared people are
0:06:34 > 0:06:37in their own homes that this is happening on their streets.
0:06:41 > 0:06:43This used to be BZR.
0:06:43 > 0:06:45It's now been shut down.
0:06:45 > 0:06:49One of the reasons it got shut down was this particular incident,
0:06:49 > 0:06:51two sets of punters have fallen out.
0:06:51 > 0:06:55One turns round and hits the other one with a bottle.
0:06:55 > 0:06:58As he's being removed by the bouncers,
0:06:58 > 0:07:02the guy who has been hit by the bottle stabs a bouncer in the back.
0:07:05 > 0:07:06What was the sentence that he got?
0:07:06 > 0:07:10I believe he got four years, in the end, which I don't think
0:07:10 > 0:07:12the victims were entirely happy about.
0:07:12 > 0:07:13Well, you wouldn't be, would you?
0:07:13 > 0:07:15Stabbed in the back by a knife
0:07:15 > 0:07:17when you're trying to, well, just do your job.
0:07:24 > 0:07:26So we're right in the centre of town.
0:07:26 > 0:07:29Saturday night, this place would be absolutely heaving with people.
0:07:29 > 0:07:32I used to be one of them so I know exactly what you're on about.
0:07:32 > 0:07:36Unfortunately, this is also the scene where Joshua Bradley,
0:07:36 > 0:07:41who was 19, lost his life when a dispute got out of hand
0:07:41 > 0:07:43and he ended up with a fatal stab wound.
0:07:43 > 0:07:46The police records say that the man who stabbed him,
0:07:46 > 0:07:50he was actually bragging about holding a knife.
0:07:50 > 0:07:55Often, it's petty disputes that lead to bigger issues
0:07:55 > 0:07:57so they escalate.
0:07:57 > 0:08:02I mean, we've got to be fair, it's young lads, anything from 14,
0:08:02 > 0:08:04even younger, through to about 25,
0:08:04 > 0:08:07who are involved in about 99% of these incidents.
0:08:22 > 0:08:24After weeks of negotiation,
0:08:24 > 0:08:28I have managed to get a meeting with a schoolboy who carries a knife.
0:08:30 > 0:08:33I feel like I'm going to look in their eyes and it's just going
0:08:33 > 0:08:34to be just hate.
0:08:34 > 0:08:36And then how do you get that back?
0:08:38 > 0:08:41'Chris - not his real name - will only meet me at
0:08:41 > 0:08:44'a secret location with his identity concealed.'
0:08:46 > 0:08:49Are you in a gang?
0:08:49 > 0:08:50DISTORTED VOICE:
0:08:57 > 0:08:59Do you feel more confident when you've got your knife on you?
0:09:01 > 0:09:02You feel like Superman?
0:09:05 > 0:09:07Have you got one on you now?
0:09:08 > 0:09:09Can we see it?
0:09:15 > 0:09:17With your knife, you must feel safe.
0:09:17 > 0:09:19What about if you dipped into the city centre?
0:09:22 > 0:09:24You have to? Why is that?
0:09:38 > 0:09:39You're having to walk round with a knife.
0:09:39 > 0:09:42Have you used it? Have you stabbed somebody before?
0:09:53 > 0:09:55And have you been stabbed yourself?
0:09:57 > 0:09:58Right in the rib?
0:10:01 > 0:10:04So you did go to hospital?
0:10:05 > 0:10:07Would you have faith that if you'd told the police,
0:10:07 > 0:10:10they would have found him and done something about it?
0:10:13 > 0:10:15wWhere did it start? What triggered it?
0:10:26 > 0:10:28Then it's going to carry on.
0:10:30 > 0:10:33So, from that moment, you decided, "That's it, I'm carrying."
0:10:45 > 0:10:46How did you get hold of this knife?
0:10:53 > 0:10:55So it's what? Touching man's organs?
0:10:55 > 0:10:58So it's not just a harming situation. You're doing it to kill?
0:11:04 > 0:11:07What would a lesson area be?
0:11:08 > 0:11:11Right in the torso?
0:11:11 > 0:11:14What scares me is, like, you're the next generation.
0:11:14 > 0:11:16You're saying words like,
0:11:16 > 0:11:19"This is it." You know, "It's kill or be killed."
0:11:19 > 0:11:23Basically, "This is the end" type thing.
0:11:23 > 0:11:26And, at your age, you shouldn't be thinking like that.
0:11:39 > 0:11:40HE SIGHS
0:11:40 > 0:11:44It was scary to see the mind-set of someone so young
0:11:44 > 0:11:48prepared to just lose everything, lose his life.
0:11:48 > 0:11:50There was nothing that was going to stop him.
0:11:50 > 0:11:53And all this started from an argument.
0:11:53 > 0:11:57I mean, we all had arguments at school. Everyone had arguments
0:11:57 > 0:12:00at school, but didn't get stabbed because of it.
0:12:00 > 0:12:03'After hearing about Chris' deadly feud with his rival,
0:12:03 > 0:12:04'I wanted to find out
0:12:04 > 0:12:07'about the damage that was being done with knives.'
0:12:12 > 0:12:15'I've come to the Queen's Medical Centre in Nottingham,
0:12:15 > 0:12:19'one of the biggest and busiest trauma centres in the UK.'
0:12:19 > 0:12:21- We're seeing more severe stab wounds.- Yeah.
0:12:21 > 0:12:23Attempted maiming,
0:12:23 > 0:12:25so trying to divide a nerve so a leg doesn't work,
0:12:25 > 0:12:27or even an abdominal stab wound
0:12:27 > 0:12:31which we may end up having to bring the bowel out onto the surface,
0:12:31 > 0:12:32into a bag, into a stoma.
0:12:32 > 0:12:34That's life-changing for people.
0:12:34 > 0:12:39We've had a few where we've still had the knife inside, and we have
0:12:39 > 0:12:42to work around that. We can't pull that knife out down here.
0:12:42 > 0:12:45Is it actually squashing a blood vessel, so it's not bleeding?
0:12:45 > 0:12:47If we pull it out, will it suddenly start to bleed an awful lot?
0:12:47 > 0:12:51I was talking to a young fellow called Chris who carries a knife,
0:12:51 > 0:12:52openly uses it.
0:12:52 > 0:12:56And one of the things he said to me was he doesn't always stab to kill.
0:12:56 > 0:12:59And I was like, "Well, what are you aiming for
0:12:59 > 0:13:01"when you say you don't stab to kill?"
0:13:01 > 0:13:03The first thing he said was the torso.
0:13:03 > 0:13:05If you stab someone in the torso,
0:13:05 > 0:13:09you have a significant chance of severe damage to somebody,
0:13:09 > 0:13:11either killing them if you stab anywhere near the heart,
0:13:11 > 0:13:13permanently maiming them,
0:13:13 > 0:13:17requiring them to have major surgery or dividing a big blood vessel.
0:13:19 > 0:13:21So this is a CT scan.
0:13:21 > 0:13:25And this is a kid, a teenager, came in not very long ago.
0:13:25 > 0:13:30- Can you see this? That line?- Yeah. - That's the track of the knife.
0:13:30 > 0:13:32This is one of the big blood vessels.
0:13:32 > 0:13:36This blood vessel carries a litre and a half of blood a minute.
0:13:36 > 0:13:39The end of the knife's here. That's where the knife went.
0:13:39 > 0:13:42- And it hit that vessel? - It hit that vessel.
0:13:42 > 0:13:44What you can't see is it went through that vessel
0:13:44 > 0:13:47and went into the other vessel that sits behind it.
0:13:47 > 0:13:49That carries four or five litres of blood a minute.
0:13:49 > 0:13:52That's the result of stabbing a torso.
0:13:52 > 0:13:55What's the youngest you've had to deal with?
0:13:55 > 0:13:57Teenagers. The 13-, 14-year-olds,
0:13:57 > 0:14:00who are unfortunately involved in stuff
0:14:00 > 0:14:04that you just wish that they weren't anywhere near at that age.
0:14:04 > 0:14:07We still think we're bombproof and bulletproof when we're young.
0:14:07 > 0:14:12Psychologically, it affects some people big-time.
0:14:12 > 0:14:15But other people just say, "Oh, fine, look at me,
0:14:15 > 0:14:18"I got stabbed and got on with it. I'm going back out there."
0:14:18 > 0:14:22Hence, you know, the repeat people who've been stabbed more than once.
0:14:22 > 0:14:26Most of the people who are coming in with stab wounds are either
0:14:26 > 0:14:28drug-related or gang-related.
0:14:28 > 0:14:29And we do have...
0:14:29 > 0:14:32quite often we have support with police around
0:14:32 > 0:14:34if there is a real or an imminent threat.
0:14:43 > 0:14:47An underworld fixer has arranged for me to meet with three gang members.
0:14:51 > 0:14:53I was nervous, but I needed to meet them
0:14:53 > 0:14:56to find out about the weapons they used and the gangs in the city.
0:15:05 > 0:15:09'The first thing I asked was about the gang feuds across Nottingham.'
0:15:22 > 0:15:26How old was you when you first started carrying knives?
0:15:50 > 0:15:51What do you do to protect yourself?
0:15:51 > 0:15:53You say people want you dead, what was it?
0:15:59 > 0:16:00So, I mean, this is for you.
0:16:00 > 0:16:03Literally, you'd class it as your protection.
0:16:03 > 0:16:06You pull that out, people will get scared, obviously.
0:16:06 > 0:16:10You must have been in situations where you've had to use it?
0:16:24 > 0:16:27And do you feel that's given you more respect now, where you're from?
0:16:42 > 0:16:45Do you feel like somebody literally wants to...
0:17:37 > 0:17:39Have you lost any friends through, basically, this life?
0:17:57 > 0:17:59If you could get out, would you get out?
0:18:31 > 0:18:34So why is it you think knife crime is so high in Nottingham?
0:19:09 > 0:19:12'I know I speak from a privileged position as an ex-footballer,
0:19:12 > 0:19:14'but I'm realising that some of these youngsters
0:19:14 > 0:19:16'are a product of their environment,
0:19:16 > 0:19:19'and can feel they need to use violence in order to survive.'
0:19:21 > 0:19:25I'm not sure we are doing enough to not just get the knives
0:19:25 > 0:19:29off the streets, but once some of them have been caught with knives,
0:19:29 > 0:19:32they felt like there was a golden moment,
0:19:32 > 0:19:35a golden point where they thought,
0:19:35 > 0:19:38"I want to change and I want to be different,"
0:19:38 > 0:19:41and nobody was there for them. We wasn't there for them.
0:19:41 > 0:19:44And it's that moment where they just go,
0:19:44 > 0:19:47"Well, I might as well go back to doing what I was doing before,
0:19:47 > 0:19:49"because I know at least my crew, or my people,
0:19:49 > 0:19:50"they're going to be there for me."
0:20:04 > 0:20:07I wanted to see what help was available
0:20:07 > 0:20:09to stop kids from carrying knives.
0:20:09 > 0:20:12Today we're going to talk a little bit about knife crimes.
0:20:12 > 0:20:13I just wanted to talk to you about...
0:20:13 > 0:20:17'Baz is a former gang member who managed to get out.
0:20:17 > 0:20:19'For him, the solution isn't prison -
0:20:19 > 0:20:22'it's educating the young before the problem starts.'
0:20:22 > 0:20:26If, like, you get into a fight with knives, it only takes one...
0:20:26 > 0:20:27one hit to...
0:20:27 > 0:20:29Your life is gone.
0:20:29 > 0:20:32Yeah, for someone not to get stabbed,
0:20:32 > 0:20:35in the space of the week, is a rare thing.
0:20:35 > 0:20:37I know people who have been stabbed
0:20:37 > 0:20:42metres away from my house and our community doesn't really exist.
0:20:44 > 0:20:47After the school session, Baz told me how his boxing career
0:20:47 > 0:20:50was cut short in his youth, following a knife attack.
0:20:52 > 0:20:54I'm coming out of a club,
0:20:54 > 0:20:58- a man just kind of like surrounded me and pulled this cleaver out.- Mm.
0:20:58 > 0:21:00"I want your watch, I want this, that and the other,"
0:21:00 > 0:21:02- and it was my dad's watch, you know what I mean?- Yeah.
0:21:02 > 0:21:05And my dad had just passed away from a stroke, so I went,
0:21:05 > 0:21:08"No, you're not having it," so he just went like that with a cleaver.
0:21:08 > 0:21:11It was coming for my head and I put my hands up like this
0:21:11 > 0:21:13and it just went straight through that hand
0:21:13 > 0:21:15and then he went again.
0:21:15 > 0:21:18I went there and straight through my hand there, do you know what I mean?
0:21:18 > 0:21:21- Mm.- I'm looking at my hands and my hands are, like, hanging off, man,
0:21:21 > 0:21:23like, there's blood gushing out.
0:21:23 > 0:21:26I thought I could box again but you know, unfortunately,
0:21:26 > 0:21:29every time I was hitting a bag,
0:21:29 > 0:21:31my hands would just swell up again, you know what I mean?
0:21:31 > 0:21:33I was in a dark place, man.
0:21:33 > 0:21:38I had people phoning me up and saying, "You need to deal with this.
0:21:38 > 0:21:42"You've got to make an example of him," and this, that and the other,
0:21:42 > 0:21:45and there's a lot of peer pressure going off there and, you know,
0:21:45 > 0:21:49for a young person to have to deal with all that is hard, man,
0:21:49 > 0:21:51and it's easy to make the wrong decision.
0:21:53 > 0:21:57What we've done is we've got satellite boxing clubs like this one
0:21:57 > 0:22:00across areas of deprivation in Nottingham,
0:22:00 > 0:22:02especially the rival areas,
0:22:02 > 0:22:05- that tend to have, you know, issues with each other...- Yeah.
0:22:05 > 0:22:07..Meadows, St Annes, and Radford, you know what I mean?
0:22:07 > 0:22:09Then they can integrate the kids
0:22:09 > 0:22:12from all three clubs through competition.
0:22:12 > 0:22:15By the time they get to an age where they could have any kind
0:22:15 > 0:22:18- of rivalry or altercation, they're friends.- Yeah.
0:22:18 > 0:22:19We need to get out there,
0:22:19 > 0:22:23like we were there today, and educate these kids around it,
0:22:23 > 0:22:27and stop them carrying knives, man, because they're losing their lives.
0:22:27 > 0:22:31What do we do once these people have maybe served their time?
0:22:31 > 0:22:34They might have completely changed whilst they've been inside
0:22:34 > 0:22:35or they might not have.
0:22:35 > 0:22:39The bottom line is when they do come out back into society,
0:22:39 > 0:22:42what type of person have we got and then what do we do with them?
0:22:42 > 0:22:47We've got people that might be in gangs who've got a criminal record
0:22:47 > 0:22:51coming out of prison and they need to re-engage in society.
0:22:51 > 0:22:54If we give them support which helps them with CVs,
0:22:54 > 0:22:57volunteering, social skills, life skills,
0:22:57 > 0:23:01we'll help them into employment, training and education.
0:23:01 > 0:23:05- What we want to do is give people a route out.- Mm.
0:23:06 > 0:23:09Talking to Baz got me thinking about Chris,
0:23:09 > 0:23:11the schoolboy knife user.
0:23:11 > 0:23:12I wanted to meet him again.
0:23:15 > 0:23:17On my way, I heard there had been a double killing
0:23:17 > 0:23:19in another part of the city.
0:23:20 > 0:23:22- NEWS REPORT: - 'Two men, believed to be friends
0:23:22 > 0:23:23'have been stabbed to death
0:23:23 > 0:23:26'within 24 hours of one another in Nottingham.
0:23:26 > 0:23:28'The second man had been hosting a party
0:23:28 > 0:23:29'in memory of the first victim.'
0:23:29 > 0:23:32It's sad, I mean, seriously sad.
0:23:34 > 0:23:38It's literally just happened - brand-new flowers...
0:23:39 > 0:23:41..people visiting all the time.
0:23:43 > 0:23:48I mean, you can see people have been obviously having a drink
0:23:48 > 0:23:51to celebrate his life, but...
0:23:53 > 0:23:55Some of the notes are just like...
0:23:55 > 0:23:58I mean, obviously, they're personal, but like...
0:23:58 > 0:24:00when you read them, they're heartbreaking.
0:24:02 > 0:24:04But this is the reality.
0:24:04 > 0:24:06This is real, you know, you can sit there
0:24:06 > 0:24:09and you can talk to as many people as you want,
0:24:09 > 0:24:10this is how it all ends up.
0:24:12 > 0:24:16It ends up with somebody losing a son, somebody losing a father,
0:24:16 > 0:24:20a friend, you know, family members and, you know,
0:24:20 > 0:24:24there's repercussions as well from things like this.
0:24:24 > 0:24:27It creates hate. When you read these, it's like,
0:24:27 > 0:24:29"I can't believe it's happened,"
0:24:29 > 0:24:31and "We love you and we miss you,"
0:24:31 > 0:24:35but you can imagine each and every one of these people are feeling...
0:24:35 > 0:24:39hurt and they feel hatred to the person that's done it.
0:24:55 > 0:24:59This tragic incident made me worry about what would happen to Chris
0:24:59 > 0:25:01if he continued his feud with his rival.
0:25:01 > 0:25:03I wanted to see if he was ready to change.
0:25:05 > 0:25:09You know, we spoke about the beef that you had with the guy
0:25:09 > 0:25:11that stabbed you.
0:25:11 > 0:25:13Have you managed to find him
0:25:13 > 0:25:16or are you still intent on finding this guy?
0:25:24 > 0:25:25But you still...
0:25:25 > 0:25:28You still intend on stabbing him back and hurting him?
0:25:29 > 0:25:31There's got to be another way,
0:25:31 > 0:25:35rather than walking around with knives every single day.
0:25:37 > 0:25:39Are you carrying again, like, today?
0:25:44 > 0:25:47That's completely different to the one I saw last time.
0:25:47 > 0:25:50It's got its own special case and everything.
0:25:50 > 0:25:53Last time, just seemed like...
0:25:53 > 0:25:55You told me it was out the top drawer of your kitchen.
0:25:58 > 0:26:01That's going to do some serious damage, Chris.
0:26:01 > 0:26:04I mean, if you land that in somebody, that's it.
0:26:04 > 0:26:07I mean, that's your life done,
0:26:07 > 0:26:10that's their life done instantly, you know that, don't you?
0:26:18 > 0:26:19Is that what you're saying, still, then,
0:26:19 > 0:26:22about your life - that it's kill or be killed?
0:26:24 > 0:26:25That's killing somebody.
0:26:25 > 0:26:29The minute that goes in and comes out, you're dead.
0:26:30 > 0:26:32Are you prepared to die?
0:26:36 > 0:26:39But you're... You're prepared to die, though?
0:26:42 > 0:26:45I've been standing outside some railings today,
0:26:45 > 0:26:47flowers everywhere, balloons, candles lit,
0:26:47 > 0:26:52people drinking, trying to celebrate someone's life, right?
0:26:52 > 0:26:55To me, I think you've got the opportunity
0:26:55 > 0:26:58to make a decision before that happens.
0:27:04 > 0:27:07I'm wondering what's holding you back
0:27:07 > 0:27:10from just making that changing your life?
0:27:16 > 0:27:19I suppose all I can do, I just wish you the best of luck
0:27:19 > 0:27:23and hopefully eventually you'll make the right decision.
0:27:40 > 0:27:44I can't help but think he's going to die, it's as simple as that. It's...
0:27:45 > 0:27:47You know what I mean?
0:27:47 > 0:27:49He can't be walking around the street with a knife like that
0:27:49 > 0:27:53and if it's not him, it's someone else.
0:27:53 > 0:27:58I mean, in this film, you know, I've spoke to bereaved parents,
0:27:58 > 0:28:02I've seen flowers and balloons on walls where people have...
0:28:03 > 0:28:05..have died and...
0:28:06 > 0:28:10..I don't know, it angers me when I see him carrying that knife
0:28:10 > 0:28:12because that could be him
0:28:12 > 0:28:15stabbing someone's son, stabbing someone's daughter,
0:28:15 > 0:28:19stabbing a father, just that blatant disregard for life
0:28:19 > 0:28:21pissed me off a bit.
0:28:21 > 0:28:22And I feel that...
0:28:22 > 0:28:23It's, um...
0:28:26 > 0:28:29He's probably one of thousands within the city.
0:28:29 > 0:28:31It's that kind of...
0:28:31 > 0:28:34It just shows you the... the task at hand.