0:00:11 > 0:00:13VOICE ON POLICE RADIO
0:00:18 > 0:00:20- RADIO:- BBC news at midnight.
0:00:21 > 0:00:2311 days after she disappeared,
0:00:23 > 0:00:27Paula Poolton's body was discovered in the boot of her car.
0:00:29 > 0:00:31She'd been stabbed seven times.
0:00:33 > 0:00:37Her body left in her car along this road.
0:00:41 > 0:00:44Paula Poolton will be remembered as joyful,
0:00:44 > 0:00:47bubbly and a friend for life.
0:00:47 > 0:00:52- TEARFULLY.- It still hurts to know that she's no longer with us.
0:00:53 > 0:00:57Roger Kearney was having an affair with Paula Poolton,
0:00:57 > 0:01:00and for three months, they'd get together,
0:01:00 > 0:01:03frequently having a physical relationship.
0:01:03 > 0:01:06She told a friend that she wanted to set up home with Kearney.
0:01:06 > 0:01:09He was tired of the relationship.
0:01:09 > 0:01:11It lasted three months.
0:01:11 > 0:01:14And ended with him stabbing Paula
0:01:14 > 0:01:18and putting her body in the boot of her car.
0:01:18 > 0:01:21There's no forensic evidence against Mr Kearney,
0:01:21 > 0:01:24but they say the painstaking police investigation
0:01:24 > 0:01:28has found fragments of information that go together like a jigsaw.
0:01:30 > 0:01:33The prosecution say that he was responsible for
0:01:33 > 0:01:36Paula Poolton's death.
0:01:36 > 0:01:38At the Royal Courts of Justice yesterday,
0:01:38 > 0:01:42Roger Kearney was sentenced to life imprisonment for Paula's murder.
0:01:44 > 0:01:46The defence say they have the wrong man.
0:01:48 > 0:01:49He denies murder.
0:02:37 > 0:02:41We have loads of people writing to us at Inside Justice.
0:02:41 > 0:02:44Ten to 30 letters every single week who say they are innocent
0:02:44 > 0:02:47of the crime they've been convicted of.
0:02:47 > 0:02:50People can write really good letters to us, but it's very easy
0:02:50 > 0:02:52for somebody sitting there, isn't it,
0:02:52 > 0:02:54with all the time in the world to put down some very careful...
0:02:54 > 0:02:58Carefully thought-out words about why you should believe them.
0:02:58 > 0:03:01There's lots of very good liars out there.
0:03:04 > 0:03:09In Roger Kearney's case, his daughter, Louisa, wrote to me,
0:03:09 > 0:03:13"Dear Louise, my father has been wrongly convicted of murder."
0:03:14 > 0:03:19"I'm writing to ask for your help. We really do not know what to do.
0:03:20 > 0:03:23"Firstly, there is no forensic evidence to link him
0:03:23 > 0:03:24"to the crime whatsoever.
0:03:26 > 0:03:29"And if you can help us, please, please do so.
0:03:34 > 0:03:39"I don't want my father spending any more time away from his family,
0:03:39 > 0:03:42"let alone being in there for the rest of his life.
0:03:43 > 0:03:46"Please, please help. I miss my dad.
0:03:46 > 0:03:48"And my children miss their grandad."
0:03:53 > 0:03:57I mean, have you ever talked explicitly about whether he did it,
0:03:57 > 0:03:59or have you always just assumed that he didn't?
0:03:59 > 0:04:00There was never a time...
0:04:02 > 0:04:05..that I've thought, "Ooh, maybe. He could have done it."
0:04:06 > 0:04:08Because, it just...
0:04:10 > 0:04:11It's just impossible really.
0:04:11 > 0:04:16It's just not in his nature to do something so awful.
0:04:16 > 0:04:20Often people say, you know, they've never done anything like this
0:04:20 > 0:04:23- and they didn't have any sort of violence in their background... - Mm-hm.
0:04:23 > 0:04:26..but I remember reading in the judge's summing-up one time, the judge saying,
0:04:26 > 0:04:30"Well, there is always a first time that somebody commits a really serious..."
0:04:30 > 0:04:32- By the nature of the thing. - Well, yeah.
0:04:32 > 0:04:34There was no reason for him to do it.
0:04:34 > 0:04:36What would you like to happen from here?
0:04:36 > 0:04:38If you could have any investigations done that you wanted,
0:04:38 > 0:04:40what do you think we should go after?
0:04:40 > 0:04:44Looking at the forensic aspect, the fact that it was such a...
0:04:46 > 0:04:49..a brutal murder. Um...
0:04:49 > 0:04:54There must be something left behind by the person that could've done it.
0:04:58 > 0:05:00That one.
0:05:00 > 0:05:03- With your teddy bear?- Yeah. - And my sister.
0:05:04 > 0:05:07- Was he a good dad? - Yeah, he was, yeah.
0:05:07 > 0:05:09- So you've always been close to him? - Yeah.
0:05:09 > 0:05:12- Because you're very supportive of him.- Oh, yeah, yeah.
0:05:12 > 0:05:14But I think anybody would be, of...
0:05:14 > 0:05:16of their dad.
0:05:16 > 0:05:18He's, like, my best friend...
0:05:18 > 0:05:20now.
0:05:20 > 0:05:21SHE CHUCKLES
0:05:23 > 0:05:28You know that the way we approach this is just to look for evidence?
0:05:28 > 0:05:30- Yeah.- Wherever that takes us.- Yeah.
0:05:30 > 0:05:34Are you prepared for if we find out that he has committed this?
0:05:34 > 0:05:37- Yeah.- I do think that people cannot admit their guilt
0:05:37 > 0:05:39- for all sorts of reasons...- Hmm.
0:05:39 > 0:05:41..because they can't face the thought of having to say
0:05:41 > 0:05:44to this person, "Yes, I did this really terrible thing that
0:05:44 > 0:05:47"I completely regret and wish that I hadn't done."
0:05:47 > 0:05:50So there might be reasons why he just can't face telling you that.
0:05:52 > 0:05:55But no, I don't think he...
0:05:55 > 0:05:57- Well, if you...- He wouldn't have put me through...
0:05:57 > 0:06:01all of this...for no reason.
0:06:03 > 0:06:05I really don't think that he would let me down.
0:06:07 > 0:06:09Um...
0:06:16 > 0:06:18With every person,
0:06:18 > 0:06:21you have to assume there's a good chance they're lying.
0:06:23 > 0:06:26But Louisa's saying in this case there's no forensic evidence
0:06:26 > 0:06:29linking her dad to the crime and I think that's important.
0:06:31 > 0:06:33In a murder case like this, that's unusual.
0:06:51 > 0:06:53These are the boxes.
0:06:53 > 0:06:55His trial papers.
0:06:57 > 0:06:58Oh...
0:06:58 > 0:07:00It's all of his trial papers.
0:07:00 > 0:07:03I don't know... I don't know what's in which one.
0:07:13 > 0:07:16I'm not a scientist, I'm not a lawyer, I'm not a judge,
0:07:16 > 0:07:19I'm not a police officer. I'm only...
0:07:19 > 0:07:22interested in finding out where there's a case
0:07:22 > 0:07:25that really appears to have merit.
0:07:25 > 0:07:27We've had police all over it, the CPS has been all over it,
0:07:27 > 0:07:29the prosecution teams then come in,
0:07:29 > 0:07:32defence teams come in and a jury comes in and they also agree
0:07:32 > 0:07:37that somebody is guilty, so we need to understand all of that.
0:07:40 > 0:07:42You have to question everything.
0:07:42 > 0:07:44Go right back to the beginning.
0:07:46 > 0:07:49I don't know if he's committed this crime or not.
0:07:49 > 0:07:51So I need answers. Facts.
0:07:53 > 0:07:58Why they thought at time of the trial he was definitely guilty.
0:08:04 > 0:08:0752-year-old Roger Kearney met Paula Poolton when they were
0:08:07 > 0:08:10stewards at Southampton Football Club.
0:08:10 > 0:08:14He'd been with his partner for eight years, while Paula was married.
0:08:14 > 0:08:18But they began an affair, spotted here on CCTV.
0:08:18 > 0:08:20And for three months, they'd get together,
0:08:20 > 0:08:23frequently having a physical relationship,
0:08:23 > 0:08:25either at her home or in his car.
0:08:26 > 0:08:31Paula had been looking at houses and wanted Kearney to move in with her.
0:08:31 > 0:08:32He wasn't keen.
0:08:32 > 0:08:34And after a heated phone call in the afternoon,
0:08:34 > 0:08:38he met her in Duncan Road that night and stabbed her to death...
0:08:39 > 0:08:42..before going to his night shift at the Royal Mail.
0:08:42 > 0:08:46There's no forensic evidence against Mr Kearney,
0:08:46 > 0:08:49but they say the painstaking police investigation
0:08:49 > 0:08:53has found fragments of information that go together like a jigsaw.
0:08:54 > 0:08:58The prosecution says Roger Kearney's fabricated a series of lies
0:08:58 > 0:09:02about what he was doing on the evening of the 17th of October 2008.
0:09:03 > 0:09:06OK, 17th of October 2008.
0:09:09 > 0:09:12This is the police and the prosecution's version of events.
0:09:12 > 0:09:14This is what got him sent to prison.
0:09:14 > 0:09:19Right, the police started trying to retrace Paula's movements
0:09:19 > 0:09:24that night and found CCTV footage at a Tesco.
0:09:24 > 0:09:26And they see that here she is
0:09:26 > 0:09:30and they say that that's her, arriving at 9.06.
0:09:37 > 0:09:42According to the prosecution, Roger Kearney left home at 9.30
0:09:42 > 0:09:45in order to go and meet up with Paula and they said that they know
0:09:45 > 0:09:49he left at 9.30, because they say they found his car on CCTV.
0:09:51 > 0:09:55But they say that's Roger Kearney's vehicle leaving his road.
0:10:01 > 0:10:03He then drove down here...
0:10:07 > 0:10:08..parked his car, they say...
0:10:10 > 0:10:14..and he then went around on foot to the station road...
0:10:18 > 0:10:20..where he waited for Paula.
0:10:23 > 0:10:29And then at about 9.45, there's another bit of CCTV footage.
0:10:29 > 0:10:34The prosecution say that is Paula's car, having left the Tesco
0:10:34 > 0:10:37and driving towards the station.
0:10:45 > 0:10:46Then she turned up.
0:10:52 > 0:10:53He got into her car.
0:10:56 > 0:10:58And stabs her repeatedly.
0:11:07 > 0:11:10And then, they say, he takes her body out,
0:11:10 > 0:11:12he puts her in the boot of the car and leaves her.
0:11:20 > 0:11:22Roger Kearney arrives at work.
0:11:22 > 0:11:25He did not swipe in with his Royal Mail swipe card,
0:11:25 > 0:11:29and the police say that that's him covering his tracks.
0:11:29 > 0:11:33According to the prosecution, he's behaving erratically.
0:11:33 > 0:11:36He seems to walk to the front entrance,
0:11:36 > 0:11:39and then he hesitates and walks away.
0:11:39 > 0:11:43They say he starts running at one point and they can't understand why.
0:11:43 > 0:11:46So the police say all of this is suspicious.
0:11:46 > 0:11:49The police say all of this is the behaviour of a guilty man.
0:12:03 > 0:12:08- So what are you waiting for now? - Roger's going to call today.
0:12:08 > 0:12:12He's managed to get my number on his list at the prison.
0:12:14 > 0:12:16I've never actually spoken to him,
0:12:16 > 0:12:17so he's...
0:12:18 > 0:12:22..he's due to call me pretty much now.
0:12:24 > 0:12:27I don't know him. He's not a personal friend of mine.
0:12:27 > 0:12:30So it's not impossible to think he's done it at all.
0:12:31 > 0:12:33So I want to keep going over things enough
0:12:33 > 0:12:37so that if all of this is a front and he's lying through his teeth
0:12:37 > 0:12:39and he's committed this murder, then I'll find out.
0:12:41 > 0:12:44PHONE RINGS
0:12:46 > 0:12:49Hello, Inside Justice.
0:12:49 > 0:12:51- 'Hi, is that Louise?'- Yes.
0:12:51 > 0:12:53- 'Hey, it's Roger.'- Hello, Roger.
0:12:53 > 0:12:57- It's good to talk to you after all this time.- 'Yes, it is.'
0:12:57 > 0:13:01Why do you want Inside Justice to be involved in this, Roger?
0:13:01 > 0:13:02'Cos I don't know what to do.
0:13:05 > 0:13:07'I need help to prove my innocence.
0:13:07 > 0:13:10'If you look at the evidence, there is no...
0:13:10 > 0:13:13- 'no forensics that link me to the case.'- Right.
0:13:13 > 0:13:16'Because everything is hearsay.'
0:13:16 > 0:13:17Yeah.
0:13:17 > 0:13:19'I am not a violent person.'
0:13:21 > 0:13:25What I would like to ask you to do is talk me through the evening,
0:13:25 > 0:13:31the 17th, when Paula went missing in as much colour and detail
0:13:31 > 0:13:34- as you can possibly muster for me.- 'Right.
0:13:34 > 0:13:37'About 5.45, Carol came home.
0:13:37 > 0:13:41'She started dinner just about six o'clock-ish,
0:13:41 > 0:13:46'maybe a little bit after that. And then we sat and watched a bit of TV.
0:13:46 > 0:13:49'When that finished at ten o'clock, I got up and went to work.
0:13:49 > 0:13:52'I recall... I don't recall exactly what time it was,
0:13:52 > 0:13:55'but it was some time after ten.'
0:13:56 > 0:14:01There was no record of you coming in, in your car, being swiped in.
0:14:01 > 0:14:05'I can't understand why it didn't register because, I mean,
0:14:05 > 0:14:08'you can't get your car in cos there's a barrier there
0:14:08 > 0:14:10- 'unless you swipe the card.'- Mm-hm.
0:14:10 > 0:14:12'If it failed, I wouldn't have been able to get in.'
0:14:12 > 0:14:14I see. OK.
0:14:14 > 0:14:18'I went to get my glasses on, realised I didn't have my glasses.
0:14:18 > 0:14:19'I went back out,
0:14:19 > 0:14:23'got my spare pair of glasses and then I ran to the gate.
0:14:23 > 0:14:25'They say that was unusual behaviour,
0:14:25 > 0:14:29'going through a vehicular entrance that I shouldn't have been using,
0:14:29 > 0:14:33'but I've used it lots of times, and other people have used it as well.'
0:14:33 > 0:14:36Are you absolutely certain you're telling....you're telling...
0:14:36 > 0:14:37you're being straight with me?
0:14:37 > 0:14:39'I swear to you.
0:14:39 > 0:14:42'I wouldn't...lie to you.'
0:14:44 > 0:14:47What's the worst thing that I'm going to find out about you,
0:14:47 > 0:14:48do you think?
0:14:48 > 0:14:50'I've got nothing to hide.'
0:14:50 > 0:14:53Is there anything that you are anxious about that you don't
0:14:53 > 0:14:56- want to be done?- 'You can look at everything.'- Are you sure?
0:14:56 > 0:14:58Is there anything at all that would make me worry
0:14:58 > 0:15:00about anything you've told me?
0:15:00 > 0:15:03'I've not told them anything different
0:15:03 > 0:15:05'to I've said to anybody else.'
0:15:05 > 0:15:07Are you absolutely sure, Roger? I need to know.
0:15:07 > 0:15:10- If there's anything in there, I need to know it from you.- 'Absolutely.'
0:15:10 > 0:15:14You know... You know our golden rule at this organisation.
0:15:14 > 0:15:18- 'Yes.'- I want to make sure that I just tell you one more time.
0:15:18 > 0:15:20If there is something that is significantly different to
0:15:20 > 0:15:21what you've told me,
0:15:21 > 0:15:24I would have real difficulty with carrying on with your case.
0:15:24 > 0:15:29'There is nothing. I've done nothing to be ashamed of.'
0:15:31 > 0:15:35I really need to know from you whether or not you did this murder.
0:15:37 > 0:15:41'I guarantee that I did not do what they say.
0:15:47 > 0:15:49'I'm afraid I've got to end the call.
0:15:49 > 0:15:51'This is where they're banging us up.'
0:15:51 > 0:15:53OK. All right, Roger, bye.
0:16:00 > 0:16:04I-I-I hope he's telling the truth. He's...
0:16:04 > 0:16:09If he's not, then he's absolutely extremely cold and, you know,
0:16:09 > 0:16:12he's really just spinning a good line. You know, he's...
0:16:12 > 0:16:16We're going into it... He must be enjoying the whole process.
0:16:44 > 0:16:48Let's start going round the room, if we can, introducing ourselves.
0:16:48 > 0:16:52Trevor Fordy, former senior investigating officer.
0:16:52 > 0:16:55Dr Denise Syndercombe-Court. I'm an expert in DNA analysis.
0:16:55 > 0:16:57I'm Correna Platt,
0:16:57 > 0:17:01specialist in miscarriage of justice at Stephensons Solicitors.
0:17:01 > 0:17:02Peter Vanezis,
0:17:02 > 0:17:05I am a professor of forensic medical sciences at Barts and the London.
0:17:05 > 0:17:06I'm Jo Millington.
0:17:06 > 0:17:09I'm a senior forensic scientist at ArroGen Forensics.
0:17:09 > 0:17:13My specialism is blood pattern interpretation.
0:17:13 > 0:17:16I'm Dr Ann Priston. My specialism is textile fibre comparisons.
0:17:16 > 0:17:18Thank you very much.
0:17:18 > 0:17:22So the case we are here to discuss today is the case of Roger Kearney.
0:17:22 > 0:17:25So this is the deposition site.
0:17:25 > 0:17:29That's her black Peugeot there, on the right-hand side.
0:17:29 > 0:17:32If you see something on a photograph...
0:17:32 > 0:17:34Is there anything we are seeing in the photograph that doesn't fit
0:17:34 > 0:17:36with the prosecution case?
0:17:36 > 0:17:40I would expect a lot more blood in that car. I mean, I've been involved
0:17:40 > 0:17:42with people who have been murdered in cars,
0:17:42 > 0:17:46knifed in cars, and have found, you know, seatbelts slashed,
0:17:46 > 0:17:49seats slashed, blood all over,
0:17:49 > 0:17:52and there's nothing significant there.
0:17:52 > 0:17:58I find the fact that if someone is stabbed eight times,
0:17:58 > 0:18:00you would expect there to be
0:18:00 > 0:18:04some blood which is obvious - and pooling of blood as well -
0:18:04 > 0:18:07in the seat, in the well.
0:18:07 > 0:18:11The fact that you can hardly see any blood there makes one wonder
0:18:11 > 0:18:13whether she was actually stabbed there at all.
0:18:13 > 0:18:16Anything you want to say about the prosecution case, Correna?
0:18:16 > 0:18:20The prosecution case was circumstantial.
0:18:20 > 0:18:23They built their case on that they were known to each other,
0:18:23 > 0:18:25they were having an affair,
0:18:25 > 0:18:27that she told her friend
0:18:27 > 0:18:32that she was going, meeting him that evening that she was murdered.
0:18:32 > 0:18:35The CCTV in relation to the cars,
0:18:35 > 0:18:38the whole case was built on circumstantial evidence.
0:18:38 > 0:18:42And that's what I find quite strange about this case.
0:18:42 > 0:18:45Now, in my view, to Roger, a man who's left his home,
0:18:45 > 0:18:50having had his tea with his wife, and then allegedly killed someone,
0:18:50 > 0:18:54having no previous convictions for violence...
0:18:54 > 0:18:57I'm still surprised that he was convicted, that's for sure.
0:18:57 > 0:18:59It's an obvious case to re-examine.
0:18:59 > 0:19:02- So it's worth...?- Worth pursuing.
0:19:02 > 0:19:03Thank you very much.
0:19:17 > 0:19:20- REPORTERS.- 'The prosecution's case looks closely
0:19:20 > 0:19:21'at Roger Kearney's movements
0:19:21 > 0:19:24'on the night of Paula Poolton's disappearance.
0:19:25 > 0:19:30'It was these CCTV pictures the police based their case on.
0:19:30 > 0:19:35'Roger Kearney's car was caught on camera, spotted here on CCTV.'
0:19:37 > 0:19:40CCTV was central to the prosecution case here.
0:19:41 > 0:19:45They said it showed Roger's car heading towards the murder scene.
0:19:48 > 0:19:51From working on many cases, it's always important to me
0:19:51 > 0:19:54to physically retrace the prosecution's version of events.
0:19:58 > 0:20:03# On the first part of the journey
0:20:03 > 0:20:06# I was looking at all the life... #
0:20:06 > 0:20:08Go to the murder scene,
0:20:08 > 0:20:11go to the real place,
0:20:11 > 0:20:13see if it fits.
0:20:15 > 0:20:19# The first thing I met was a fly with no buzz
0:20:19 > 0:20:23# And a sky with no clouds
0:20:23 > 0:20:27# The heat was hot and the ground was dry, but... #
0:20:34 > 0:20:36- Hi.- Hi.
0:20:36 > 0:20:38- Nice to see you again. - Nice to see you.
0:20:38 > 0:20:40- How was the journey?- Oh...
0:20:40 > 0:20:42- A bit busy, was it?- Yeah.
0:20:42 > 0:20:44- It's a long way. - It's a long way, yeah.
0:20:51 > 0:20:55- So, what is it you want to show me? - I've got all the CCTV.
0:20:55 > 0:20:58I put it all onto a laptop.
0:21:00 > 0:21:02Just to show you all of the individual footage.
0:21:02 > 0:21:06- I've just been trying to make sense of it.- Right.
0:21:08 > 0:21:11- So I thought if we went through it together...- OK.
0:21:11 > 0:21:14..it'll just make a bit more sense, perhaps.
0:21:14 > 0:21:17- Now, this is... This is his car, OK?- Yeah.
0:21:17 > 0:21:21- This is where Roger was living at the time. That's his Shogun.- OK.
0:21:21 > 0:21:24And then what I've got is all the CCTV footage right from
0:21:24 > 0:21:28the start of when they say he's leaving home and driving
0:21:28 > 0:21:29to go and see her.
0:21:30 > 0:21:32There.
0:21:32 > 0:21:34There.
0:21:34 > 0:21:39- That one.- Right. It does look like a 4x4.
0:21:39 > 0:21:43And the police are adamant that's his vehicle.
0:21:43 > 0:21:48The prosecution expert says, "This is a dark tone or black
0:21:48 > 0:21:51"Mitsubishi Shogun Sport," so it's very specific, isn't it?
0:21:51 > 0:21:54That would be strong evidence because you've got
0:21:54 > 0:21:58a car that matches Roger Kearney's vehicle.
0:22:04 > 0:22:05So, Roger Kearney's house is here.
0:22:05 > 0:22:08He comes out opposite, this is him coming left,
0:22:08 > 0:22:09turns out to the main drag
0:22:09 > 0:22:11- and he takes a left along here. - Right.
0:22:11 > 0:22:14OK, so they then say that he drives up here,
0:22:14 > 0:22:16parks at a little car park
0:22:16 > 0:22:20and that he then went round on foot to the station road,
0:22:20 > 0:22:23where he waited for Paula. There, where the red dot is,
0:22:23 > 0:22:26that's where her body is found in the boot.
0:22:26 > 0:22:28What they're showing is the route that was driven.
0:22:28 > 0:22:30I'd just like to test that.
0:22:38 > 0:22:42We're going now to Roger's house and we're going to retrace
0:22:42 > 0:22:44the steps that the prosecution said he took.
0:22:47 > 0:22:49- This is his road then.- Yeah.
0:22:53 > 0:22:54So...
0:22:55 > 0:22:58So at 9.30, according to the prosecution case,
0:22:58 > 0:23:01Roger drove to the end of his road,
0:23:01 > 0:23:06and the light from his headlights lit up this car park.
0:23:06 > 0:23:08Headlights were going across there, yeah.
0:23:08 > 0:23:09You can't see a vehicle,
0:23:09 > 0:23:13all you can see is a light shining on the car park.
0:23:16 > 0:23:19They then say that he's turned right...
0:23:22 > 0:23:23..to go down to the main drag,
0:23:23 > 0:23:26and then he has taken a left on the main road.
0:23:28 > 0:23:29Down that road.
0:23:32 > 0:23:34Just when we get to the end of here, isn't it?
0:23:34 > 0:23:36It just picks up as it revolves round.
0:23:45 > 0:23:51- The next CCTV would be that shown at the Esso garage.- Yeah.
0:24:00 > 0:24:03And then our next one is the chip shop.
0:24:04 > 0:24:05There it is.
0:24:10 > 0:24:12Into the car park.
0:24:13 > 0:24:17So they say his car's picked up
0:24:17 > 0:24:19on the camera across from that chippy.
0:24:25 > 0:24:29So they say he parked up here, just by the chippy. Right, OK.
0:24:29 > 0:24:32And then walked down...
0:24:32 > 0:24:36- It's down here.- This way?- Yeah.
0:24:36 > 0:24:38So there's no CCTV along this road.
0:24:41 > 0:24:44But they say he was walking up here to get to the place
0:24:44 > 0:24:46where he was meeting Paula.
0:24:46 > 0:24:48This is a busy little road, isn't it?
0:24:54 > 0:24:56Right, so we're here now.
0:25:00 > 0:25:02When you look at the photographs,
0:25:02 > 0:25:04it's pretty much where we're stood now.
0:25:04 > 0:25:08It's exactly where we are, isn't it? Cos, look, there's the fence.
0:25:08 > 0:25:11- That's that there, isn't it?- Yeah. - I mean, it is here.
0:25:11 > 0:25:15- You see the street lighting is exactly the same.- Yeah.
0:25:15 > 0:25:17None of this is new. That's all exactly as it was.
0:25:17 > 0:25:19Three street lights.
0:25:19 > 0:25:21According to the police, the prosecution,
0:25:21 > 0:25:24this is exactly the time of night, on a Friday night, when they say
0:25:24 > 0:25:26he met up with her here
0:25:26 > 0:25:29to repeatedly stab her, get her out of her car...
0:25:29 > 0:25:31- And put her in the boot. - ..put her in the boot of the car.
0:25:31 > 0:25:34- But there's... I mean, there's a taxi rank.- People stood about.
0:25:34 > 0:25:39I mean, that is a really busy road. Of all the places to choose...
0:25:39 > 0:25:41There's cars turning down it.
0:25:41 > 0:25:46- So it's not an unused, dimly lit... - No.
0:25:46 > 0:25:48Another taxi.
0:25:48 > 0:25:51He's had to meet her, kill her,
0:25:51 > 0:25:54- put her in the boot... - Yeah.- Very strange.
0:25:57 > 0:26:00And then 11 and a half minutes later, they say there is CCTV
0:26:00 > 0:26:02of him walking past a camera up that way.
0:26:02 > 0:26:04Yeah, so if we time our walk now...
0:26:04 > 0:26:06Find out how long it takes for him to walk there,
0:26:06 > 0:26:09that will show how long he would've had here, at the scene,
0:26:09 > 0:26:10- to actually kill her.- Yeah.
0:26:17 > 0:26:19So this is where they say...
0:26:19 > 0:26:23You know, that figure caught passing here on foot.
0:26:28 > 0:26:30Let's just work it out.
0:26:30 > 0:26:32The window of opportunity
0:26:32 > 0:26:37- is more or less 7½ minutes.- Yeah.
0:26:37 > 0:26:41Yeah. So he's got a very, very short, narrow,
0:26:41 > 0:26:42window of opportunity,
0:26:42 > 0:26:47and there are people and cars passing pretty much constantly.
0:26:47 > 0:26:48It seems really,
0:26:48 > 0:26:52really pushing the boundaries of what is actually possible here.
0:26:59 > 0:27:02After my visit, I'm not convinced by the prosecution's version of
0:27:02 > 0:27:05when and where it happened.
0:27:05 > 0:27:09The prosecution say that Paula was killed before ten o'clock,
0:27:09 > 0:27:12but Roger says that he was at home at that time watching
0:27:12 > 0:27:16Little Britain on the television with his partner, Carol.
0:27:16 > 0:27:19And that's really important because it's not just him saying,
0:27:19 > 0:27:22"I was at home watching television," she backed him up.
0:27:24 > 0:27:27She found out that Roger Kearney was having an affair and,
0:27:27 > 0:27:30even in light of that, she never wavered from that.
0:27:32 > 0:27:35I really want to start speaking to him and start going through
0:27:35 > 0:27:38the detail of it, get some honest answers.
0:27:39 > 0:27:42PHONE RINGS
0:27:42 > 0:27:44Hello?
0:27:44 > 0:27:47- 'Hello, Louise? It's Roger.' - Hello, Roger, how are you doing?
0:27:47 > 0:27:49- 'Very well, thank you.'- Good.
0:27:49 > 0:27:51Good, good. Thanks very much for phoning again.
0:27:51 > 0:27:54What would be really helpful for me would be if we could just go
0:27:54 > 0:27:58- back to the day when...the 17th. - 'Yep.'
0:27:58 > 0:28:01How did you spend the sort of early evening and, you know...?
0:28:01 > 0:28:05- 'I was preparing dinner.'- What did you have? Just talk me through.
0:28:06 > 0:28:09'A pizza that I probably got that afternoon.
0:28:10 > 0:28:12'And then we sat and watched TV.'
0:28:14 > 0:28:17MUFFLED SITCOM LAUGHTER
0:28:17 > 0:28:19'Andy!
0:28:22 > 0:28:25'I'm not sure I believe you, Mr Pipkin.'
0:28:25 > 0:28:27'Yeah...'
0:28:28 > 0:28:33- ROGER.- 'We were watching TV till about ten o'clock.
0:28:33 > 0:28:35'We watched Little Britain.'
0:28:35 > 0:28:38'No...'
0:28:38 > 0:28:41'When that finished at ten o'clock, I got up and went to work.
0:28:42 > 0:28:44'It was after ten o'clock.'
0:28:45 > 0:28:49You know, according to the police, you'd left more like 9.30,
0:28:49 > 0:28:51decided that you were going to kill her, basically.
0:28:51 > 0:28:57'I assure you, or I swear to you, that I did not kill Paula.'
0:28:57 > 0:28:59- Did you see Paula that day? - 'No, I didn't.'
0:28:59 > 0:29:02Did you agree to meet up with her that evening or talk to her about
0:29:02 > 0:29:04- meeting her that evening?- 'No.'
0:29:04 > 0:29:07One of the most damning things was the 9.30 CCTV,
0:29:07 > 0:29:09which the police said was your car.
0:29:09 > 0:29:11'Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
0:29:11 > 0:29:15'The CCTV is damning in the fact
0:29:15 > 0:29:21'that they are suggesting that it is my car at that time, from 9.30,
0:29:21 > 0:29:24'but the fact that...
0:29:24 > 0:29:29- 'And the police expert insists that it is a Mitsubishi Shogun.'- Yeah.
0:29:29 > 0:29:31'I can guarantee, the only...
0:29:31 > 0:29:35'The car that they've got coming out at 9.30,
0:29:35 > 0:29:38'going down towards the station is not my car.'
0:29:38 > 0:29:39How do you know that?
0:29:41 > 0:29:43'Because my car was in the drive.
0:29:44 > 0:29:47'We were watching TV until about ten o'clock.'
0:29:52 > 0:29:54The thing I've...
0:29:54 > 0:29:57that sort of worries me, that I'm struggling with,
0:29:57 > 0:30:00I've seen the CCTV, they can check for your vehicle coming out
0:30:00 > 0:30:03of your road, going down to the station, you know,
0:30:03 > 0:30:06all those different areas. You know, there's so much, that's the trouble.
0:30:06 > 0:30:09- 'I didn't leave early that night.' - How can you guarantee you didn't
0:30:09 > 0:30:11leave earlier than you thought?
0:30:11 > 0:30:14- 'Cos if you look for it at 10.15, you see my vehicle.'- Why?
0:30:14 > 0:30:17- How do you mean?- 'In that video.'
0:30:19 > 0:30:22- I don't understand, what do you mean, Roger?- 'Sorry?'
0:30:22 > 0:30:25I don't understand what you mean. How do you mean?
0:30:25 > 0:30:27'Because of the CCTV.
0:30:30 > 0:30:37'Gone ten o'clock, you can see my car...leaving.'
0:30:39 > 0:30:42That you can definitely see? Cos the thing...
0:30:42 > 0:30:43I was looking at the CCTV earlier...
0:30:43 > 0:30:47'I swear that that is my car, gone ten o'clock.'
0:30:49 > 0:30:52- How was that footage found? - 'Me and my solicitor found it.'
0:30:52 > 0:30:55What did the police say then, at that stage?
0:30:55 > 0:30:58- Did they...? - 'They say it couldn't be my car.'
0:30:58 > 0:31:00If that is your car,
0:31:00 > 0:31:02then there is no way you've committed the murder.
0:31:02 > 0:31:05'I suggested about getting...trying to get the number plate enhanced,
0:31:05 > 0:31:07'and I've always said, one day,
0:31:07 > 0:31:12'the technology will be available to prove that that is my car.
0:31:14 > 0:31:19'I am 100% convinced that that is my car.'
0:31:21 > 0:31:25So this is the image that Roger Kearney says is him
0:31:25 > 0:31:27leaving his street at 22.20.
0:31:28 > 0:31:31So Roger's right, there is a car.
0:31:31 > 0:31:35If that's him, he cannot have committed the murder.
0:31:35 > 0:31:39But the prosecution always dismissed this image because of another
0:31:39 > 0:31:42bit of footage, which is this.
0:31:42 > 0:31:48Roger Kearney's vehicle, nearly two miles away at 10.21.
0:31:48 > 0:31:50There's not enough time, the police say,
0:31:50 > 0:31:53for Roger to be leaving here at 10.20,
0:31:53 > 0:31:56drive nearly two miles up the road
0:31:56 > 0:32:00to be caught on this later camera less than one minute later.
0:32:00 > 0:32:03But in court, there was lots of debate about the accuracy of
0:32:03 > 0:32:07the clocks on the CCTV cameras, the footage,
0:32:07 > 0:32:11and the defence argued that there could've been enough time.
0:32:11 > 0:32:15The only way you can resolve it is if we can read that number plate,
0:32:15 > 0:32:18that would tell us whether or not it's Roger Kearney's car.
0:32:19 > 0:32:22'I swear that that is my car.
0:32:24 > 0:32:26'As God as my witness.'
0:32:35 > 0:32:38The prosecution and defence provided expert evidence
0:32:38 > 0:32:40about the CCTV at trial.
0:32:40 > 0:32:44Neither expert was able to identify the number plate on that image
0:32:44 > 0:32:45or any of the others.
0:32:48 > 0:32:51So I've asked an expert in video forensic analysis
0:32:51 > 0:32:53to take a look to see what he thinks.
0:32:53 > 0:32:56He's been reviewing some of the key CCTV images
0:32:56 > 0:32:58from Roger's defence file.
0:33:00 > 0:33:03I've not told him what kind of car Roger Kearney had.
0:33:05 > 0:33:08I just want to see what he can tell me about that number plate
0:33:08 > 0:33:09and the other images.
0:33:11 > 0:33:13Thank you very much.
0:33:13 > 0:33:15Marvellous.
0:33:17 > 0:33:21- Good to see you.- Yes, and you. Thanks for seeing me.
0:33:21 > 0:33:23So it's probably best if we dimmed the lights.
0:33:25 > 0:33:27OK.
0:33:27 > 0:33:31These are a copy of the images which would have been shown to the jury.
0:33:31 > 0:33:36I can provide an initial view which is subject, obviously,
0:33:36 > 0:33:39to me being able to review the original media files.
0:33:39 > 0:33:42I'll talk you through the various images.
0:33:44 > 0:33:46- OK.- Right.
0:33:46 > 0:33:49So this is the most helpful of the images
0:33:49 > 0:33:51in identifying the type of car.
0:33:52 > 0:33:57It's obviously, in my view, a 4x4 of some description.
0:34:01 > 0:34:05I think it is possibly a Mitsubishi Shogun motor vehicle.
0:34:07 > 0:34:08Really?
0:34:08 > 0:34:11That's quite damning, actually.
0:34:14 > 0:34:16- So this is the vehicle passing the chippy.- Yes.
0:34:18 > 0:34:20And all we see, effectively,
0:34:20 > 0:34:24is probably best described as a silhouette of a vehicle passing.
0:34:24 > 0:34:27It is, I believe, a 4x4.
0:34:27 > 0:34:32- Right.- As to what make and model it is, I really don't know.
0:34:35 > 0:34:38So the part of the image we are most interested in is this area here.
0:34:38 > 0:34:41- Yeah.- Right? It's a vehicle.
0:34:41 > 0:34:46And to be perfectly honest with you, I can't go any further than that.
0:34:46 > 0:34:49- There simply isn't sufficient detail.- Is it a 4x4?
0:34:49 > 0:34:51- I couldn't even tell you that. - Really?- Yeah.
0:34:51 > 0:34:55So let me just talk you through now what they ended up saying in court.
0:34:57 > 0:34:59So on that roundabout, where we had the petrol station images.
0:34:59 > 0:35:01- Yeah, travelling in.- Yeah.
0:35:01 > 0:35:04- The prosecution expert says it's a Shogun.- Yes.
0:35:04 > 0:35:08He did a reconstruction and noted the Shogun was a good match.
0:35:09 > 0:35:13- And the defence expert says, "I can't agree with that."- Yep.
0:35:13 > 0:35:16The prosecution expert says about the fish and chip shop...
0:35:16 > 0:35:19"Most likely to be a Shogun or Range Rover.
0:35:19 > 0:35:22"But possibly another vehicle would have the same features."
0:35:22 > 0:35:26But look at the difference between a Range Rover and a Shogun.
0:35:26 > 0:35:28There is a big difference, in my view,
0:35:28 > 0:35:31- between a Shogun and a Range Rover. - Hm.
0:35:31 > 0:35:35So if the detail is that vague, the definition is that poor,
0:35:35 > 0:35:39that you can't tell if it's a Shogun or a Range Rover...
0:35:42 > 0:35:46- ..that demonstrates just how poor quality the imagery is.- Right.
0:35:48 > 0:35:54Right. The image we are looking at now is that the defendant says
0:35:54 > 0:35:57he's left his home at around 10.20.
0:35:57 > 0:36:00- Yep.- Right. - Shall we have a look?- Yep.
0:36:03 > 0:36:07So all we see within this clip is the front of the vehicle.
0:36:09 > 0:36:12Could this be the defendant's vehicle, whatever that is?
0:36:12 > 0:36:15- The lights are fairly high off the ground.- Right.
0:36:16 > 0:36:20- Which would suggest a 4x4.- Uh-huh.
0:36:20 > 0:36:24- But it's impossible to say what make and model that vehicle is.- Right.
0:36:26 > 0:36:29- Is that part of the registration plate?- Quite possibly,
0:36:29 > 0:36:33Which is quite high and, to me, that's why I'm thinking,
0:36:33 > 0:36:34possibly, 4x4.
0:36:34 > 0:36:39- Is there anything we would ever be able to do to clean that up?- No. No.
0:36:39 > 0:36:41It would resolve the case,
0:36:41 > 0:36:44in terms of if it's him or not, if he's the murderer or not.
0:36:44 > 0:36:47Unfortunately, we haven't got the luxury of fine detail.
0:37:13 > 0:37:16We've got some plusses and minuses, I suppose.
0:37:16 > 0:37:21The biggest minus is that he looked at the 9.30 image,
0:37:21 > 0:37:23and he said, "Yep, I think that's a Mitsubishi Shogun Sport."
0:37:23 > 0:37:26He didn't know that was the kind of car that Roger Kearney drives,
0:37:26 > 0:37:29yet that is the kind of car he picks out.
0:37:29 > 0:37:31On the plus side,
0:37:31 > 0:37:35when it comes to the car at 10.20,
0:37:35 > 0:37:38the expert says, "Yeah, that could be a 4x4."
0:37:38 > 0:37:42So that means it could be Roger Kearney's car.
0:37:45 > 0:37:47So what will you do next?
0:37:47 > 0:37:50We do carry on, and I think the next sort of big area
0:37:50 > 0:37:54of evidence that we need to look at here is the motive.
0:37:55 > 0:37:58Did Roger Kearney have a motive to kill Paula Poolton?
0:37:58 > 0:38:02The prosecution said he did. I think we need to explore that motive.
0:38:12 > 0:38:14- REPORTERS. - 'Full of life and unique.'
0:38:16 > 0:38:19Paula Poolton will be remembered as joyful,
0:38:19 > 0:38:20bubbly and a friend for life.
0:38:20 > 0:38:24'The jury was told that when Mrs Poolton disappeared,
0:38:24 > 0:38:26'it wasn't long before police discovered
0:38:26 > 0:38:28'she had been having an affair.
0:38:28 > 0:38:29'Paula was married.
0:38:29 > 0:38:32'The court heard neither Mr Kearney's partner nor
0:38:32 > 0:38:35'Mrs Poolton's husband were aware of the affair.
0:38:35 > 0:38:38'The court heard she told a friend she wanted to set up home
0:38:38 > 0:38:40'with Kearney.
0:38:40 > 0:38:42'Paula had been looking at houses
0:38:42 > 0:38:44'and wanted Kearney to move in with her.
0:38:44 > 0:38:48'The court was told the defendant was less keen.'
0:38:48 > 0:38:51The motive that Roger Kearney had to murder Paula Poolton
0:38:51 > 0:38:55was to stop her from revealing the affair.
0:38:55 > 0:38:58'And after a heated phone call in the afternoon,
0:38:58 > 0:39:03'he met her in Duncan Road that night and stabbed her to death.'
0:39:03 > 0:39:05We need to understand more about the affair to try and see
0:39:05 > 0:39:08whether or not it could have come to a head like that.
0:39:15 > 0:39:17PHONE RINGS
0:39:19 > 0:39:21Hello, Inside Justice.
0:39:21 > 0:39:23- 'Hello, Louise, it's Roger.' - Hello, Roger, how are you?
0:39:23 > 0:39:26- 'I'm very well, thank you.' - Good, good.
0:39:26 > 0:39:32Right, can you talk me through what the police said your motive was?
0:39:32 > 0:39:35What was their theory on why you'd have done this?
0:39:35 > 0:39:37HE LAUGHS
0:39:37 > 0:39:41'The police said, or what their theory was,
0:39:41 > 0:39:46'that Paula was putting me under pressure to move in with her.
0:39:47 > 0:39:49'That was their theory.'
0:39:49 > 0:39:53Just, can you talk me through now, then, please, how you first
0:39:53 > 0:39:58met Paula and how your relationship became, when it became intimate?
0:39:58 > 0:40:02'Um... Well, I first met Paula at the football ground.
0:40:02 > 0:40:06'She started coming to the gym at the hotel.
0:40:06 > 0:40:09'After a couple of times she came down, she sort of...
0:40:11 > 0:40:14'..made it fairly obvious that...
0:40:14 > 0:40:18'she wanted a bit more than just...to be friends.
0:40:18 > 0:40:22'She came down there and went for a sauna, and she was in there
0:40:22 > 0:40:26'with a bikini, she sat really close to me, and afterwards,
0:40:26 > 0:40:28'we had a cup of coffee, went out to the car park,
0:40:28 > 0:40:32'she got in my car and we had sex in the backseat seat of my car.'
0:40:34 > 0:40:36It's funny how you...
0:40:36 > 0:40:38how you talk about Paula.
0:40:38 > 0:40:43I don't quite know where it comes from. It...
0:40:43 > 0:40:47It sounds like you're blaming her for the affair, if I'm frank,
0:40:47 > 0:40:50which sounds rather callous, to be honest.
0:40:50 > 0:40:53'Oh, no, I'm not saying it's her fault. She was...
0:40:53 > 0:40:58- 'I found her very attractive. She was funny. She was...'- Right.
0:40:58 > 0:41:01'I found her kind. She had a nice figure.
0:41:03 > 0:41:06'She was such a nice person, I thought.'
0:41:08 > 0:41:11It seems to me that you two were pretty close, really.
0:41:11 > 0:41:16I don't get the impression... From just looking at your phone records,
0:41:16 > 0:41:19it feels like you're speaking pretty much every day,
0:41:19 > 0:41:22you're spending a lot of time on the phone together, you know,
0:41:22 > 0:41:25it sounds like you are close, to me.
0:41:25 > 0:41:28'Yeah, I suppose we were quite close.
0:41:30 > 0:41:34'It's, you know, friends, basically. That was for quite some time.
0:41:36 > 0:41:40'And, as I say, I was attracted to her.
0:41:41 > 0:41:42'But I...
0:41:44 > 0:41:45'I...
0:41:49 > 0:41:52'I don't know whether it would've gone on. If it...
0:41:52 > 0:41:55'I can't say whether it would've developed any more.
0:41:57 > 0:42:01'There was no commitment on either side of us.'
0:42:01 > 0:42:03Were you in love with her?
0:42:03 > 0:42:04'No.'
0:42:04 > 0:42:06Was she in love with you?
0:42:09 > 0:42:11'I don't think she ever said so.
0:42:13 > 0:42:16'No, I'm pretty sure she didn't ever say that, no.'
0:42:16 > 0:42:19Did you think she might be?
0:42:19 > 0:42:21'No, I'm not sure. No. I don't think so.'
0:42:24 > 0:42:27- Why did you have a sexual relationship with her?- 'Why?
0:42:29 > 0:42:30'Er...
0:42:32 > 0:42:34'Cos I fancied her.
0:42:35 > 0:42:37'Um, to be honest, she had...
0:42:39 > 0:42:41'..a bubbly, happy-go-lucky...
0:42:45 > 0:42:46'..personality.
0:42:51 > 0:42:55'I know she had a bit of a dark side. I know.'
0:43:11 > 0:43:14It is just Roger's word against their theory, isn't it?
0:43:14 > 0:43:18And I don't know what he meant about her having a dark side.
0:43:19 > 0:43:23I need to find somebody who can tell me about their relationship.
0:43:25 > 0:43:27This is Swanwick.
0:43:27 > 0:43:30It is a nice little village just outside of Southampton.
0:43:30 > 0:43:31Paula lived nearby.
0:43:33 > 0:43:35She had lots of friends.
0:43:35 > 0:43:39People said she was a genuine, caring person, very bubbly,
0:43:39 > 0:43:42crazy chick with an infectious laugh.
0:43:42 > 0:43:44I think she cheered people up.
0:43:45 > 0:43:47They might hold the key
0:43:47 > 0:43:50to whether the prosecution motive was realistic.
0:43:50 > 0:43:54One said, "Paula was a good friend, but she should not be taken
0:43:54 > 0:43:58"too literally as she could make a drama over little things."
0:43:58 > 0:44:02This is Paula's friend Carol who was really key to the prosecution case
0:44:02 > 0:44:06because she told the police that Paula had said to her
0:44:06 > 0:44:09the day she went missing, that Paula told her she was going to
0:44:09 > 0:44:12meet up with Roger that night.
0:44:12 > 0:44:13So I need to phone Carol.
0:44:13 > 0:44:17I want to sort of see what else did Paula tell her about Roger,
0:44:17 > 0:44:19you know, how keen was their whole relationship becoming,
0:44:19 > 0:44:22so I need to give her a call and see if she'll meet up.
0:44:26 > 0:44:28Carol, hello. My name is Louise Shorter.
0:44:28 > 0:44:31I work for a charity called Inside Justice.
0:44:31 > 0:44:32I'm sorry to phone you out of the blue.
0:44:32 > 0:44:36I'm in the process of looking at the case of the murder of your friend
0:44:36 > 0:44:40Paula Poolton and I wondered if we could just meet up and have a chat.
0:44:49 > 0:44:50OK.
0:44:52 > 0:44:55Thank you very much. Thanks very much, Carol. Cheers. Bye-bye. Bye.
0:44:58 > 0:45:00Phew!
0:45:00 > 0:45:04I think it's just a bit of a shocker to get a phone call like that.
0:45:04 > 0:45:06You know? So she's going to go ahead and think about it.
0:45:06 > 0:45:09- A bit like a bolt out of the blue. - Totally. Totally.
0:45:09 > 0:45:13I mean, it's awful. I do hate...phoning people up like that.
0:45:13 > 0:45:17Because I'm... You know, her friend's been murdered. That's...
0:45:17 > 0:45:20That's probably not something she wants to be thinking about again.
0:45:20 > 0:45:23But then, you know, it can be so surprising.
0:45:23 > 0:45:27I've worked on cases where the family of the person who has been
0:45:27 > 0:45:31murdered ends up campaigning and being involved with the campaign
0:45:31 > 0:45:35that the person imprisoned isn't guilty and, you know...
0:45:35 > 0:45:37So you just can't make assumptions of people,
0:45:37 > 0:45:41you just have to sort of gently tell them, "This is what we are doing.
0:45:41 > 0:45:45"If we're looking at the wrong case, if this person is really guilty,
0:45:45 > 0:45:48"if you know something that we need to know, then please tell us."
0:45:48 > 0:45:51But, you know, let them have the choice, really,
0:45:51 > 0:45:54in whether they want to get involved.
0:45:57 > 0:46:01Paula had a long-standing sort of friendship with a man called Stan.
0:46:01 > 0:46:03I know she doted on him.
0:46:03 > 0:46:07At trial, he said that she would sometimes spend a night at his home.
0:46:07 > 0:46:09So who is this Stan Baker?
0:46:09 > 0:46:12It says that Paula had known him for years
0:46:12 > 0:46:14and she went to him in times of trouble.
0:46:17 > 0:46:20But Stan lives on the other side of town.
0:46:22 > 0:46:24No. Go round the front.
0:46:26 > 0:46:28Hm.
0:46:31 > 0:46:33- 'Hello?'- Hello, is Stanley there, please?
0:46:33 > 0:46:36'Stanley has not lived here for about eight years, love.'
0:46:36 > 0:46:40Oh, hasn't he? Oh. Has he moved on? Do you know where he's moved on to?
0:46:40 > 0:46:41'I couldn't say, love.'
0:46:43 > 0:46:44Oh.
0:46:46 > 0:46:49You aren't the man I was just talking to, are you?
0:46:49 > 0:46:52- Do you know Stanley?- No.- Oh.
0:46:52 > 0:46:55OK. Hello? Do you know...remember...?
0:46:55 > 0:46:58You don't know Stan, do you? He didn't die, did he?
0:46:58 > 0:47:00Cos I know he was quite old, you know.
0:47:00 > 0:47:02It was about eight years ago, wasn't it, that he...?
0:47:02 > 0:47:05- Did he move out or did he...? - Yeah, well, my mate lives there now.
0:47:16 > 0:47:18Oh, I'm trying to find Stan Baker.
0:47:20 > 0:47:24No, Stan's not here now. He's gone down to St Mary's.
0:47:24 > 0:47:26I've got one of my cards.
0:47:28 > 0:47:32That's my number for Stan. Thanks.
0:47:36 > 0:47:37Hello.
0:47:37 > 0:47:41Sorry, I'm trying to find Stan, who lived downstairs at number 35.
0:47:41 > 0:47:44This lady was saying that he's moved over to St Mary's,
0:47:44 > 0:47:46but she wasn't sure which number.
0:47:46 > 0:47:48Do you know which number he's living at?
0:47:51 > 0:47:53OK. I'm going to park.
0:48:00 > 0:48:03GROANING
0:48:14 > 0:48:15That's Paula, yeah.
0:48:18 > 0:48:19Yeah.
0:48:20 > 0:48:22Paula...
0:48:26 > 0:48:30- Is that a picture of Paula?- Yeah.
0:48:30 > 0:48:33- Oh, it's lovely.- Yeah.
0:48:33 > 0:48:35That's lovely. I wonder how old she is there.
0:48:37 > 0:48:40- Tell me about her. - I met her at a nightclub.- Yeah.
0:48:40 > 0:48:42I was a doorman there.
0:48:42 > 0:48:45And we've been friends ever since, like...
0:48:45 > 0:48:50Very nice, well mannered, very pretty girl.
0:48:50 > 0:48:51She loved me.
0:48:51 > 0:48:54Sometimes she would stay, sometimes she didn't, like...
0:48:57 > 0:48:59- Do you want me to help? - There's some there.
0:49:02 > 0:49:06- That was years ago, that was.- So that's how you looked when...- Yeah.
0:49:06 > 0:49:10- ..when you first knew Paula, then? - Yeah.- There's Paula there.
0:49:10 > 0:49:13- With a budgie on the arm.- Oh, yeah.
0:49:13 > 0:49:15- So you are still in touch with Paula's parents?- Yeah.
0:49:15 > 0:49:18Every time on her birthday or Christmas time,
0:49:18 > 0:49:21- I always send them money for flowers.- Mm-hm.
0:49:21 > 0:49:24- I always tell Mum I miss her a lot. - Was she good company?
0:49:24 > 0:49:26She drunk quite a few,
0:49:26 > 0:49:29but she had a bad temper.
0:49:29 > 0:49:31- Was that when she was drinking? - Yeah.
0:49:31 > 0:49:34She'd get angry, throw a bottle at you or something.
0:49:34 > 0:49:37- What would make her angry? - Jealousy.- Ah!
0:49:37 > 0:49:39- That's what we say, jealousy.- Right.
0:49:39 > 0:49:43Did she say anything to you about the postman?
0:49:43 > 0:49:46I don't know other people's business.
0:49:46 > 0:49:47I don't want to know anyway.
0:49:50 > 0:49:52- Did she ever say the name Roger to you?- No.
0:49:55 > 0:49:57I can't forget her.
0:50:10 > 0:50:13So they're sort of definite different compartments
0:50:13 > 0:50:14to Paula's life, I think.
0:50:15 > 0:50:18So there seem to be the group of friends, like Carol,
0:50:18 > 0:50:21who meet her for coffee and that kind of thing.
0:50:21 > 0:50:24And then there seem to be people like Stan.
0:50:24 > 0:50:27I don't think those two worlds collided, really.
0:50:30 > 0:50:34What I don't understand is whether Paula would definitely have said
0:50:34 > 0:50:36the absolute truth to Carol.
0:50:38 > 0:50:40Some people know certain secrets and others know others,
0:50:40 > 0:50:43but nobody seems to know the whole...
0:50:43 > 0:50:45the whole picture of her, really.
0:50:48 > 0:50:53- ANSWERING MACHINE. - 'Next saved message. 2.44pm.'
0:50:53 > 0:50:56'Yes, hello.
0:50:56 > 0:51:01'You came down last evening enquiring...
0:51:02 > 0:51:06'I know Stan very well, Stan Baker.
0:51:07 > 0:51:09'I know Paula.
0:51:11 > 0:51:13'She was my best friend.
0:51:18 > 0:51:21'Can you get back to me, please?
0:51:24 > 0:51:26'I know a lot of things.'
0:51:26 > 0:51:28PHONE CLICKS
0:51:36 > 0:51:39- So you come from London then?- Yeah.
0:51:48 > 0:51:51- Here we go.- Oh, lovely.
0:51:51 > 0:51:54- Gosh, I don't think I'd recognise her from that photograph.- No.
0:51:54 > 0:51:57She dyed her hair.
0:51:58 > 0:52:01- It's a lovely picture. - Yeah, isn't it beautiful?
0:52:03 > 0:52:06Well, Ann, thank you very much for calling me.
0:52:06 > 0:52:12- Tell me, first of all, how you first met Paula.- I met Paula through Stan.
0:52:12 > 0:52:13- Oh, did you?- Yes.
0:52:13 > 0:52:17You know, she was fabulous. Everyone loved her.
0:52:17 > 0:52:20She had to be in with a crowd.
0:52:20 > 0:52:23She loved all that.
0:52:23 > 0:52:27She liked to be the centre of attention. She loved it.
0:52:27 > 0:52:30Do you remember sort of times, nights you had together?
0:52:30 > 0:52:32- Yeah.- Would she just turn up out of the blue
0:52:32 > 0:52:35or would she phone you first, or how would that work?
0:52:35 > 0:52:38No, no, out of the blue. Always.
0:52:38 > 0:52:41She used to sleep here sometimes.
0:52:41 > 0:52:43I loved her to bits.
0:52:43 > 0:52:48She used to tell me a lot of things, and I kept it to myself.
0:52:48 > 0:52:53She met someone else, in fact two other men.
0:52:53 > 0:52:56- So she was... She was married to Ricky...- Yes, she was.
0:52:56 > 0:52:59- ..but she was having two different affairs.- Yes, that's right.
0:52:59 > 0:53:02- Yes, she was.- The postman who is now in prison.- That's right.
0:53:02 > 0:53:04- And this other man?- Yeah.
0:53:04 > 0:53:06Without a doubt.
0:53:06 > 0:53:08What did she say then, firstly, about the postman?
0:53:08 > 0:53:11Um, she was excited.
0:53:11 > 0:53:14Did she want the relationship with him to be more serious, then?
0:53:14 > 0:53:18- From my angle, I think she did.- Mm-hm.
0:53:18 > 0:53:21- Yeah.- So what did she tell you about this other man?
0:53:21 > 0:53:24About a week before it happens,
0:53:24 > 0:53:28she said she had to get rid of them.
0:53:28 > 0:53:30Why?
0:53:30 > 0:53:34- Because he was bullying her.- This was definitely the other boyfriend?
0:53:34 > 0:53:37Oh, yeah, I'm not talking about the postman now.
0:53:37 > 0:53:40- You're not talking about the husband?- Oh, no, no, I'm not.
0:53:40 > 0:53:43- So she said that the boyfriend was bullying her?- Yeah.
0:53:43 > 0:53:45Was she worried about him?
0:53:45 > 0:53:49- She definitely was.- Did she tell you anything about this man?
0:53:49 > 0:53:51Did she describe him or tell you what he was like?
0:53:51 > 0:53:54- She talked more about the postman. - Uh-huh.
0:53:54 > 0:53:57She didn't say a lot about the other one, the tall one.
0:53:57 > 0:53:59You have no idea who this other man was?
0:53:59 > 0:54:03- I never met him.- Did she...? - It was very hush-hush.- Was it?
0:54:03 > 0:54:07- Yes, that's right.- So she was happy with Roger the postman?- Yeah.
0:54:07 > 0:54:09- But she was worried about the other one?- That's right.
0:54:09 > 0:54:12So do you think she was going to call off the relationship
0:54:12 > 0:54:15- with the third man?- Yeah.- Then what?
0:54:15 > 0:54:18How did she seem then, when she said she was going to call it off?
0:54:18 > 0:54:21- Er...nervous.- Right.
0:54:21 > 0:54:26- And...- It's not like her to get like that.
0:54:26 > 0:54:28- Wasn't it?- No!
0:54:28 > 0:54:33No, no, no. She was getting in a right tiswas here.
0:54:33 > 0:54:36She was definitely worried about something.
0:54:37 > 0:54:40Something was wrong with her.
0:54:40 > 0:54:44Something was wrong and I could feel it. I could sense it coming off her.
0:54:44 > 0:54:47It was horrible to see her like that,
0:54:47 > 0:54:49to hear her talk like she did.
0:54:51 > 0:54:55Tell me about it. This is important. Had something happened to her?
0:54:58 > 0:54:59Men!
0:55:03 > 0:55:04Yeah.
0:55:25 > 0:55:28The pattern of blood stains allows us to interpret
0:55:28 > 0:55:30how that blood came to be.
0:55:32 > 0:55:35Small areas of blood staining were found on the driver's seat.
0:55:35 > 0:55:39Is that suggestive that somebody wet with blood has driven the car?
0:55:39 > 0:55:40It could be.
0:55:41 > 0:55:44Um, what I want to know is, does this turn at all?
0:55:49 > 0:55:51Definitely moving.
0:55:51 > 0:55:54- The murder could have taken place... - Anywhere.- ..anywhere.
0:55:54 > 0:55:58If you stick a tape onto something and take it off, you don't just
0:55:58 > 0:56:01pick up fibres with it, you'll pick up biological material.
0:56:01 > 0:56:06So that DNA from the perpetrator is actually still happily
0:56:06 > 0:56:08sitting on those tapings.
0:56:13 > 0:56:17I've had a text. "Kearney is an extremely unpleasant individual.
0:56:17 > 0:56:20"Try not to be his next female victim."
0:56:22 > 0:56:26- ROGER.- 'If you actually feel that I possibly could have done it,
0:56:26 > 0:56:29'I wouldn't blame you if you dropped my case.'