0:00:02 > 0:00:07This programme contains some scenes which some viewers may find upsetting, and some strong language.
0:00:07 > 0:00:08I'm Andrew Maxwell, a comedian.
0:00:10 > 0:00:12But I'm here in New York on a serious mission.
0:00:12 > 0:00:159/11 was the most shocking day in recent American history.
0:00:15 > 0:00:192,973 innocent people died.
0:00:19 > 0:00:23Unbelievably, there are many who doubt the conclusions of the official investigation
0:00:23 > 0:00:26and want to believe the American government
0:00:26 > 0:00:29was in some way responsible for this tragic event.
0:00:30 > 0:00:34I'm taking five of them to America on an extraordinary journey,
0:00:34 > 0:00:37to see if I can change their minds. It'll be a tough mission -
0:00:37 > 0:00:40these guys appear to be convinced conspiracy theorists.
0:00:40 > 0:00:43- Rodney? Welcome aboard. Andrew.- Nice to meet you.
0:00:43 > 0:00:46- Hi.- Hello.- Emily.- Hello, Emily. - You all right?- How are you?
0:00:46 > 0:00:50- Hiya. Shazin.- Hello, Shazin. Andrew. Welcome aboard. Please.
0:00:50 > 0:00:53Done. Let's move this thing.
0:00:54 > 0:00:58How do two towers with two aeroplanes
0:00:58 > 0:01:02get pulverised into...nothing?
0:01:04 > 0:01:07Personally, I'm certain as certain can be
0:01:07 > 0:01:10that the attacks were ordered by Osama bin Laden.
0:01:11 > 0:01:13So we're now going down the east coast of America,
0:01:13 > 0:01:18from New York to Washington, to see where the attacks happened...
0:01:18 > 0:01:22Flight 93 passed right above, and that's where the impact occurred.
0:01:22 > 0:01:24..to meet eyewitnesses...
0:01:24 > 0:01:26I saw melted parts of the plane,
0:01:26 > 0:01:29I saw parts of stewardesses in the building.
0:01:29 > 0:01:31..relatives of the victims...
0:01:31 > 0:01:35I said, "I love you, sweetie," and then we were cut off.
0:01:35 > 0:01:38..and even the chief air traffic controller.
0:01:38 > 0:01:41We at air traffic control did not know what was going on.
0:01:41 > 0:01:44What will happen when they're confronted by the scientific facts?
0:01:44 > 0:01:47Maybe there'll be arguments...
0:01:47 > 0:01:48Don't be blaming them.
0:01:48 > 0:01:49When have I ever done that?!
0:01:49 > 0:01:51..fall outs...
0:01:51 > 0:01:53You don't make any sense at all.
0:01:53 > 0:01:54..and tears.
0:01:54 > 0:01:56You're crying, screaming or happy.
0:01:56 > 0:01:59That's all right. I don't have a heart of stone like you.
0:01:59 > 0:02:02Oh, man! Does anyone have any Prozac?
0:02:02 > 0:02:04Will I end up changing their minds?
0:02:04 > 0:02:06We will seek the truth, brothers and sisters.
0:02:06 > 0:02:07Woo-hoo!
0:02:07 > 0:02:10As we travel through the day that changed the world.
0:02:11 > 0:02:15Welcome to Conspiracy Road Trip 9/11.
0:02:20 > 0:02:23Welcome to Conspiracy Road Trip 9/11. Welcome.
0:02:23 > 0:02:25- CHEERING - Welcome, team.
0:02:25 > 0:02:29Now, I have reason to believe that all five of you have divergent opinions
0:02:29 > 0:02:32from the official account of events. Is that correct?
0:02:32 > 0:02:34- It is, sir. Yes, sir.- OK, sweet as.
0:02:34 > 0:02:38It will be my attempt to conjecture and perhaps charm,
0:02:38 > 0:02:40- to persuade you otherwise. - Good luck with that.
0:02:40 > 0:02:44Charlotte, a nanny, thinks the American government was to blame.
0:02:44 > 0:02:48I think it was Bush and his Dick Cheney and Rumsfeld...
0:02:48 > 0:02:52Rodney, a health worker, studied biochemistry
0:02:52 > 0:02:54and believes some of the science doesn't add up.
0:02:54 > 0:02:57Nano-thermites were found at the wreckage.
0:02:57 > 0:02:58You know, literally.
0:02:58 > 0:03:01Nano-thermites were found. They're military-grade explosives.
0:03:01 > 0:03:06Student Emily is an active member of the 9/11 Truth Movement.
0:03:06 > 0:03:099/11 was an inside job!
0:03:09 > 0:03:11You know, I do go on about it a lot.
0:03:11 > 0:03:13My housemates said I was preaching about it to them.
0:03:13 > 0:03:15I guess I do talk about it a lot.
0:03:15 > 0:03:19Shazin has some doubts about the official version of events.
0:03:19 > 0:03:23I questioned United 93.
0:03:24 > 0:03:28Some of the passengers made calls to their family,
0:03:28 > 0:03:33and I've always wondered how you can make a call on an aeroplane.
0:03:33 > 0:03:35And Charlie, who studied philosophy,
0:03:35 > 0:03:39thinks 9/11 too conveniently provided an excuse to go to war.
0:03:39 > 0:03:40Sold a lot of weapons!
0:03:40 > 0:03:43It's, er...got some good contracts in Iraq, Afghanistan.
0:03:43 > 0:03:45'You couldn't make up better stuff -
0:03:45 > 0:03:48'a bunch of bearded men, living in caves.'
0:03:48 > 0:03:51- Where would the Twin Towers have sat?- There. That's the bay.
0:03:51 > 0:03:53No, no. Other way, guys. That way.
0:03:54 > 0:03:58'We're going to the sites of 9/11, to the actual places.'
0:03:58 > 0:04:01I want to see what difference that makes to their opinions.
0:04:01 > 0:04:02Does that calcify them?
0:04:02 > 0:04:04Does they even harden in their opinions?
0:04:04 > 0:04:08Or do they step back and realise this is real...
0:04:08 > 0:04:09There's real suffering here?
0:04:09 > 0:04:12All right, let's do this thing. Come on!
0:04:16 > 0:04:20We're starting the trip where that truly awful day began.
0:04:20 > 0:04:21Ground Zero.
0:04:23 > 0:04:272,753 innocent people lost their lives here
0:04:27 > 0:04:29when the Twin Towers were attacked.
0:04:29 > 0:04:33Even though an independent commission concluded it was the work of al-Qaeda,
0:04:33 > 0:04:37my five - and allegedly up to a third of Brits and Americans -
0:04:37 > 0:04:39just don't believe it.
0:04:41 > 0:04:44Maybe the site of Ground Zero will give them a reality check.
0:04:44 > 0:04:47Being here, I get this incredible sense of...
0:04:47 > 0:04:51It's not, it's not a calm sense I get around the Ground Zero,
0:04:51 > 0:04:53it's this kind of anxious...
0:04:53 > 0:04:54I don't know, it's a kind of confusion.
0:04:54 > 0:04:59There is a...bad energy around here, bad energy.
0:05:01 > 0:05:05Charlotte was in New York on September 11th, 2001.
0:05:06 > 0:05:09Every moment of that day just flooded back.
0:05:09 > 0:05:14'I started realising that this was a real emotional trip.'
0:05:14 > 0:05:17'She's been obsessed with 9/11 ever since,
0:05:17 > 0:05:19'and has been researching what she thinks
0:05:19 > 0:05:22'really happened for the last ten years.'
0:05:22 > 0:05:25When you start looking at things and it was within...
0:05:25 > 0:05:26within the first day.
0:05:26 > 0:05:29By the end of the day, I was like, "Something is going on here,
0:05:29 > 0:05:31"and I'm going to get to the bottom of it.
0:05:31 > 0:05:34"I probably never will, but I'm going to try."
0:05:34 > 0:05:37And that's how you know hundreds of thousands of other people felt.
0:05:37 > 0:05:40There's not... It might be a conspiracy,
0:05:40 > 0:05:43but there are hundreds of thousands of people that believe it.
0:05:45 > 0:05:47Over the next week, each of my fellow travellers
0:05:47 > 0:05:50is going to challenge me on a conspiracy theory
0:05:50 > 0:05:54they believe proves the official version wrong.
0:05:54 > 0:05:57Will you please welcome to the front of the bus, Charlotte.
0:05:57 > 0:05:59CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
0:05:59 > 0:06:02First up is Charlotte, who thinks the American government is to blame.
0:06:02 > 0:06:06OK, basically, I'm going to be discussing the major queries
0:06:06 > 0:06:08regarding the amateur pilots.
0:06:08 > 0:06:10Holy shit!
0:06:10 > 0:06:13She can't believe the hijackers - barely out of flying school -
0:06:13 > 0:06:16could have steered jetliners into the Twin Towers
0:06:16 > 0:06:18with such deadly accuracy.
0:06:23 > 0:06:26I can't imagine that somebody
0:06:26 > 0:06:29that's had training in some flight simulators
0:06:29 > 0:06:33and can barely fly a Cessna could get into the seat of a 767
0:06:33 > 0:06:36and hit that kind of target at the velocity and speed
0:06:36 > 0:06:40and everything that's needed one time, no practice run.
0:06:40 > 0:06:42It couldn't have been done at that speed,
0:06:42 > 0:06:44couldn't have been done at that velocity.
0:06:44 > 0:06:46So either the data is faulty
0:06:46 > 0:06:48or someone's pulling the wool over our eyes.
0:06:54 > 0:06:56Welcome to Best In Flight.
0:06:56 > 0:06:58- I'm Charlotte. - Charlotte, how do you do?
0:06:58 > 0:07:00Robert Hadow's an experienced flight instructor.
0:07:00 > 0:07:04I want him to show how hard or easy it is to control an aircraft
0:07:04 > 0:07:07for someone who has never done it before.
0:07:07 > 0:07:10If you're tender with the controls and can take directions,
0:07:10 > 0:07:13- you'll land the plane on your first flight.- My gosh.
0:07:13 > 0:07:14I don't want to do it.
0:07:14 > 0:07:16Been thinking about plane crashes for the last week.
0:07:16 > 0:07:19The last thing I want to do is get on a plane.
0:07:19 > 0:07:21Charlotte volunteers to let Shazin go up.
0:07:21 > 0:07:23I'd gladly submit to one of these girls to do it.
0:07:23 > 0:07:25- I'd love to do it.- Shazin.
0:07:25 > 0:07:27That's brave of Shaz,
0:07:27 > 0:07:29because, since 9/11, she's been scared of flying.
0:07:31 > 0:07:34Do you have any problems with birds flying into the plane?
0:07:34 > 0:07:38- It make a big mess on the wing. - This will get you over your fear of flying.
0:07:38 > 0:07:40You're flying over water, it's so easy!
0:07:40 > 0:07:42Fly well...just don't crash.
0:07:42 > 0:07:45- You couldn't just say, "Have a safe flight"!- I know!
0:07:47 > 0:07:48Bye!
0:07:53 > 0:07:58- OK, Shaz, you ready?- Yes. - Push the throttle all the way up!
0:07:58 > 0:08:00All the way up! OK?
0:08:01 > 0:08:05Woo! Oh, my God!
0:08:11 > 0:08:13Push right, go right.
0:08:13 > 0:08:15Push right now.
0:08:15 > 0:08:17All right, you're doing fine.
0:08:17 > 0:08:19After less than ten minutes' instruction,
0:08:19 > 0:08:21Robert hands the controls to Shazin,
0:08:21 > 0:08:24who seems perfectly capable of flying around Manhattan.
0:08:24 > 0:08:26Now, that should convince the others.
0:08:26 > 0:08:28Look, she's flying.
0:08:29 > 0:08:32This is really scary, actually.
0:08:32 > 0:08:34Oh, my God.
0:08:36 > 0:08:39Bring the stick back a hair, bring the nose up to the horizon.
0:08:39 > 0:08:40- Very nice.- Wow.
0:08:40 > 0:08:42I'm heading towards that water tower,
0:08:42 > 0:08:45and it's pretty easy to navigate.
0:08:45 > 0:08:48- Obviously, I don't want to hit it. - Well, I won't let you.
0:08:48 > 0:08:50SHE LAUGHS
0:08:50 > 0:08:53- So, Robert, you're not controlling this at all?- No, I'm not. All right?
0:08:53 > 0:08:56So how easy do you think it would be for an amateur pilot
0:08:56 > 0:08:59to fly a big, massive airliner jet?
0:08:59 > 0:09:02- Well, in fact, it's easier to fly a big jet.- OK.
0:09:02 > 0:09:05- For example, you feel the bumps we're going through?- Yeah.
0:09:05 > 0:09:08- You wouldn't feel that on a 747. - Oh, I see, I see.
0:09:08 > 0:09:11But it's the same basic principles.
0:09:11 > 0:09:13This airplane, or any other big airplane.
0:09:13 > 0:09:16Now Shazin is about to try
0:09:16 > 0:09:18one of the most difficult manoeuvres of all,
0:09:18 > 0:09:20after just 30 minutes.
0:09:20 > 0:09:21Her target?
0:09:21 > 0:09:23The runway.
0:09:23 > 0:09:26I'm going to ask you to aim directly down the runway.
0:09:26 > 0:09:29So, finding a target, you think, will be quite easy for me?
0:09:29 > 0:09:32I would prefer not to think of it as a target,
0:09:32 > 0:09:35I would prefer to think of it as the runway you're going to land on.
0:09:35 > 0:09:38- Yeah!- All right, now, you're aimed right at the runway.
0:09:38 > 0:09:40- Yeah, just about.- OK? Yeah?
0:09:40 > 0:09:43Now just use your feet, a little bit of right rudder,
0:09:43 > 0:09:45- and we're going to fly it all the way down.- OK.
0:09:45 > 0:09:47- Throttle back a little bit more. - A little bit more.
0:09:47 > 0:09:50Right. Now. Now we're going to tease the runway. OK.
0:09:50 > 0:09:52- Just hold it there, throttle out.- OK.
0:09:52 > 0:09:54- Throw the throttle all the way back. - Yep, got it.
0:09:54 > 0:09:57- All the way back. - All the way back. All right?
0:09:57 > 0:10:00Now just hold it off the runway, hold it off, hold it off.
0:10:00 > 0:10:01Oops, bit bumpy.
0:10:01 > 0:10:04- Yeah, but you did it.- But we did it.
0:10:04 > 0:10:07- So I'm very proud. - And the wing's OK, yeah?
0:10:07 > 0:10:08- Everything's fine.- Ha ha!
0:10:08 > 0:10:09- All right?- Fantastic!
0:10:14 > 0:10:17I can't believe I landed a plane myself.
0:10:17 > 0:10:19In such a short space of time.
0:10:19 > 0:10:22- Did you land it?- Yeah. - You landed it?!
0:10:22 > 0:10:24- I landed it completely, so... - Well done.
0:10:24 > 0:10:29Do you think that it would be more difficult to fly a Boeing airplane?
0:10:29 > 0:10:33It might be slightly more nerve-racking, but I would say it's very easy.
0:10:33 > 0:10:36Especially as, prior to this, I hadn't had any knowledge
0:10:36 > 0:10:38about how to work this thing,
0:10:38 > 0:10:41and I've been taught in less than an hour.
0:10:41 > 0:10:44Shazin's convinced, but despite this evidence,
0:10:44 > 0:10:47Charlotte still doesn't believe that with so little training
0:10:47 > 0:10:50the hijackers could fly a commercial jet
0:10:50 > 0:10:51into a target with such accuracy.
0:10:53 > 0:10:55I mean, do you know a lot about Boeings?
0:10:55 > 0:10:57As a matter of fact, yes.
0:10:57 > 0:11:00OK, the exact Boeing that went into the World Trade Centres?
0:11:00 > 0:11:04All they had to do is fly straight and level towards a target.
0:11:04 > 0:11:07So people that trained them didn't believe they could do this,
0:11:07 > 0:11:10and yet the rest of us will just except that they could
0:11:10 > 0:11:12and will dismiss any other possibility?
0:11:14 > 0:11:17I think Charlotte might be a particularly tough nut to crack.
0:11:19 > 0:11:22Emily's been concerned about something different.
0:11:22 > 0:11:23Airport security.
0:11:23 > 0:11:26Now, my main bone of contention is
0:11:26 > 0:11:30if President Bush knew on August 6th -
0:11:30 > 0:11:33which he did, but has categorically denied
0:11:33 > 0:11:36until he actually had to come out and say, "I did know" -
0:11:36 > 0:11:40why did he not step up the security to maximum,
0:11:40 > 0:11:42make sure that nothing gets through?
0:11:42 > 0:11:44So let's go through and we'll see exactly...
0:11:44 > 0:11:45It was. It's like how it was.
0:11:45 > 0:11:49Let's go and meet Buck, and he'll talk through how it used to be.
0:11:51 > 0:11:54- Hello!- Hey, you're on, Buck!
0:11:54 > 0:11:59I've found a United Airways pilot with many years experience -
0:11:59 > 0:12:01Buck Rogers. Real name.
0:12:01 > 0:12:03He should be able to explain how the hijackers
0:12:03 > 0:12:06managed to get through security with knives.
0:12:06 > 0:12:08If George Bush knew on August 6th, which he did,
0:12:08 > 0:12:11do you feel that the time between August 6th
0:12:11 > 0:12:14and September 11th would have been too short to implement
0:12:14 > 0:12:19security measures with the threat that they had?
0:12:19 > 0:12:21Well, I appreciate your question,
0:12:21 > 0:12:25and I'm sorry I'm not able to quite answer it.
0:12:25 > 0:12:29I can tell you, before 9/11 a lot of airports were such like this.
0:12:29 > 0:12:33There, there were no metal detectors in some airports,
0:12:33 > 0:12:35and people could just walk through.
0:12:35 > 0:12:39In fact, way before 9/11, some people were able to
0:12:39 > 0:12:42just not even go through a metal detector
0:12:42 > 0:12:45and just walk to the gate to meet their arriving passengers.
0:12:45 > 0:12:48That's at the airport. Let's go into the flying world.
0:12:48 > 0:12:51Before 9/11, they flew with the cockpit doors open.
0:12:51 > 0:12:54So, as a passenger, you could actually go into the cockpit
0:12:54 > 0:12:56while the plane was in flight.
0:12:56 > 0:12:58We experienced very little hijackings.
0:12:58 > 0:13:01I mean, there was an occasional hijacking in India,
0:13:01 > 0:13:04there may have been one down in South America or Mexico.
0:13:04 > 0:13:07So in America, there really wasn't anyone attempting to hijack planes?
0:13:07 > 0:13:09- No, we hadn't experienced that.- Right.
0:13:09 > 0:13:11If something like that had never happened before,
0:13:11 > 0:13:13it's a very unique way.
0:13:13 > 0:13:16Andrew, it said in the report...
0:13:16 > 0:13:20'Unfortunately for my case, the security guard at the check-in desk
0:13:20 > 0:13:21'also has his doubts.'
0:13:21 > 0:13:27It seems a little bit wacky but it makes sense what you're saying.
0:13:27 > 0:13:30If it is a conspiracy, you know, like, you believe those...
0:13:30 > 0:13:34people who executed it, yeah, they were pretty smart,
0:13:34 > 0:13:36they knew what they were doing,
0:13:36 > 0:13:39- but it just happened a little too perfectly.- Yeah.
0:13:39 > 0:13:40A bit too easily.
0:13:40 > 0:13:41A little... Yeah.
0:13:41 > 0:13:46Either way you look at it, the government screwed up massively
0:13:46 > 0:13:48or they orchestrated the entire thing.
0:13:48 > 0:13:50It's just a big "Who knows?"
0:13:56 > 0:14:00Don't you think we need some actual justice and accountability?
0:14:00 > 0:14:04And when the American people find out that it was criminal elements
0:14:04 > 0:14:07in this establishment that either made 9/11 happen
0:14:07 > 0:14:08or allowed it to happen,
0:14:08 > 0:14:11there'll be a revolution in this country.
0:14:11 > 0:14:14- They know what happened. It was a terrorist attack. - We don't know happened!
0:14:14 > 0:14:17You weren't there, dude. You just believe in the official story,
0:14:17 > 0:14:20you're just having this obedient psychology,
0:14:20 > 0:14:21which is very worrying, man.
0:14:23 > 0:14:25As people, they're nice. They're nice people.
0:14:25 > 0:14:27There's nothing... You know?
0:14:27 > 0:14:29It's kind of odd that they're...
0:14:29 > 0:14:32They're... They're incredibly cynical...
0:14:33 > 0:14:37..yet incredibly, kind of, childlike and gullible at the same time.
0:14:37 > 0:14:38You know what I mean?
0:14:38 > 0:14:42But these five people - well, to various shades, as we're learning -
0:14:42 > 0:14:45to a certain extent, all five of them believe
0:14:45 > 0:14:48that the American government wiped out their own people
0:14:48 > 0:14:50with civilian planes.
0:14:56 > 0:15:00On 9/11, the hijackers did get through security.
0:15:00 > 0:15:03They did overpower the crew and take over the controls.
0:15:06 > 0:15:09At 8:46am, they managed to guide the first plane
0:15:09 > 0:15:11straight into one of the Twin Towers.
0:15:11 > 0:15:12SIRENS BLARE
0:15:16 > 0:15:21And at 9:03am, the stunned world saw the second plane do the same.
0:15:21 > 0:15:24Oh, my God. Oh, Jeez! God!
0:15:24 > 0:15:26At first, the Towers looked OK,
0:15:26 > 0:15:30but within an hour, the first steel skyscraper started to collapse.
0:15:32 > 0:15:34The investigation concluded that the impact of the plane
0:15:34 > 0:15:37and then the ensuing heat from the jet fuel fire
0:15:37 > 0:15:39caused the Towers to collapse.
0:15:39 > 0:15:41RUMBLING
0:15:41 > 0:15:44That's what the official report says.
0:15:44 > 0:15:48It seems obvious to me, but Charlie doesn't believe it at all.
0:15:48 > 0:15:50Hi, guys, thanks for listening to me.
0:15:50 > 0:15:54I am a proponent of the idea that the Twin Towers
0:15:54 > 0:15:57were brought down in a controlled-demolition manner.
0:15:57 > 0:16:00Those buildings would not have collapsed in the slightest
0:16:00 > 0:16:02from a Boeing 767 hit.
0:16:05 > 0:16:08The main reasons why I think it was a controlled demolition -
0:16:08 > 0:16:12first of all, is that what we saw on September 11th
0:16:12 > 0:16:15with the World Trade Centre were these two 110-storey buildings
0:16:15 > 0:16:18collapsing perfectly within their own footprint.
0:16:18 > 0:16:21What we call a top-down demolition.
0:16:22 > 0:16:24EXPLOSION
0:16:24 > 0:16:26Charlie thinks the way the towers fell
0:16:26 > 0:16:30looks uncannily similar to a normal skyscraper demolition,
0:16:30 > 0:16:32so he thinks it was a controlled demolition
0:16:32 > 0:16:34carried out by the government.
0:16:38 > 0:16:40See? How does it carry on going straight down?
0:16:42 > 0:16:45That's a controlled demolition if I ever I saw one. Thank you.
0:16:45 > 0:16:46CHEERS AND APPLAUSE
0:16:46 > 0:16:49'Charlie's done well, it's a strong case.
0:16:49 > 0:16:51'I'm going to have to take him on.'
0:16:51 > 0:16:56Now, to refute that, we're going to be meeting a demolition expert.
0:16:56 > 0:16:59He might be on your side, Charlie. Let's not be so cynical.
0:16:59 > 0:17:02Dude, if he's on our side, I will buy you a bottle of champagne.
0:17:02 > 0:17:05The point is, you're not going to have to do it on Skype,
0:17:05 > 0:17:08or look at a clip on YouTube, you're actually going to meet somebody. OK?
0:17:08 > 0:17:10- You can talk to him, all right?- Yeah.
0:17:12 > 0:17:14'Charlie had a pretty conventional life
0:17:14 > 0:17:17'until he was made redundant from the City.'
0:17:19 > 0:17:21'Well, I grew up very gung ho.
0:17:21 > 0:17:22'I mean, I was a banker
0:17:22 > 0:17:25'who joined the Territorial Army to be an officer.'
0:17:25 > 0:17:29I learnt how to lead men, I learnt how to march like a robot.
0:17:29 > 0:17:31I was fully prepared to go to Iraq
0:17:31 > 0:17:33and kill terrorists for Queen and country.
0:17:33 > 0:17:36I guess I kind of had some sort of political awakening
0:17:36 > 0:17:37about the events of 9/11.
0:17:37 > 0:17:42I can't then go and be such a nihilistic...killer
0:17:42 > 0:17:45to go and kill people who may have had nothing to do with 9/11.
0:17:45 > 0:17:47And so I quit, a week before Sandhurst,
0:17:47 > 0:17:49and they were quite pissed off.
0:17:51 > 0:17:54Since Charlie's political awakening,
0:17:54 > 0:17:55he's become convinced
0:17:55 > 0:17:58the United States government blew up the buildings
0:17:58 > 0:18:00as an excuse to invade Iraq.
0:18:01 > 0:18:03Rebuilding has started at Ground Zero,
0:18:03 > 0:18:07and 200 metres up, on the 47th floor of one of the new towers,
0:18:07 > 0:18:11I'm hoping a demolition expert will help me make Charlie see reason.
0:18:15 > 0:18:16Mummy, I can fly!
0:18:19 > 0:18:20Oh!
0:18:25 > 0:18:26I'm trying to get my bearings,
0:18:26 > 0:18:29but I'm presuming this is where the World Trade Centre was.
0:18:30 > 0:18:32The point is, say if Dr Evil came to you
0:18:32 > 0:18:37and wanted to do this, actually rig it and blow those buildings,
0:18:37 > 0:18:39how many men would you have needed?
0:18:39 > 0:18:43We're fortunate here in that these columns have not been covered yet.
0:18:43 > 0:18:46'Brent Blanchard has demolished thousands of buildings.'
0:18:46 > 0:18:50So they're the exact sort of columns that you'd want to rig, yeah?
0:18:50 > 0:18:52Similar. These are smaller than what was in WTC.
0:18:52 > 0:18:56But you can't put an explosive on this and have the column blow up.
0:18:56 > 0:18:57- OK.- It doesn't work.
0:18:57 > 0:19:00You need to pre-cut this in some way.
0:19:00 > 0:19:04That requires preparation. It requires a LOT of preparation.
0:19:05 > 0:19:08And you would actually have to have some type of explosive,
0:19:08 > 0:19:11similar to this, something very high velocity,
0:19:11 > 0:19:12that will cut through steel.
0:19:12 > 0:19:14It happens in building implosions.
0:19:14 > 0:19:16You don't see it, but that's what it is.
0:19:16 > 0:19:18- That's what you're doing.- Yeah. - So, erm...
0:19:18 > 0:19:19The Twin Towers.
0:19:19 > 0:19:22How many times would you need to have done that process
0:19:22 > 0:19:24to pull down the towers?
0:19:24 > 0:19:26Probably hundreds of columns.
0:19:26 > 0:19:29You're talking about a lot of explosive material,
0:19:29 > 0:19:31a lot people who know exactly what they're doing,
0:19:31 > 0:19:33who have a lot of time to work on this.
0:19:33 > 0:19:37So that's how you do a controlled demolition.
0:19:37 > 0:19:40Guys come in, pre-cut the steel girders and wire the whole building.
0:19:40 > 0:19:43I can't see how all this could have taken place
0:19:43 > 0:19:46under the nose of everyone working in those buildings.
0:19:46 > 0:19:48You'd have to pass security,
0:19:48 > 0:19:50get through the doors, and pass the cameras undetected.
0:19:50 > 0:19:53It's not that far-fetched, to believe that somebody could.
0:19:53 > 0:19:55Let's even say you got your equipment in,
0:19:55 > 0:19:58you still need access to the columns.
0:19:58 > 0:20:02I saw the tower start to go like that but then...
0:20:02 > 0:20:04Let's imagine that's there and it kind of...
0:20:04 > 0:20:06carried on straight down into the building,
0:20:06 > 0:20:08instead of just going, buuuuuupp!
0:20:08 > 0:20:12When the building begins to fall, it never, ever tips over.
0:20:12 > 0:20:15But they're saying that the jet fuel doesn't burn that high,
0:20:15 > 0:20:17- enough to melt steel. - It doesn't have to.
0:20:17 > 0:20:19The little columns need to be supported.
0:20:19 > 0:20:23When it began to fail... As soon as they tip a little off centre,
0:20:23 > 0:20:24they lose a lot of their support.
0:20:24 > 0:20:27When it tips a little more, as you saw in 9/11,
0:20:27 > 0:20:30they have no support now. They have to go straight down.
0:20:30 > 0:20:32So it's simply compressed.
0:20:33 > 0:20:35Brent's been making a lot of sense,
0:20:35 > 0:20:38and I wonder if he's managed to persuade Charlie.
0:20:40 > 0:20:42It makes sense. Ugh. This is hard, you know?
0:20:42 > 0:20:45Cos I've held onto these ideas for years now
0:20:45 > 0:20:47and I've hung out with people who said,
0:20:47 > 0:20:49"Yeah, conspiracy, 9/11, demolition."
0:20:49 > 0:20:52But now I've spoken to a guy who explained to me
0:20:52 > 0:20:57why it's stopped collapsing, and it makes sense.
0:21:05 > 0:21:09- In the morning...- Yeah? - ..6:30, here.- Cool, man.
0:21:09 > 0:21:13'It's been a long day, and I may have cracked Charlie.'
0:21:15 > 0:21:17Rodney's a different story.
0:21:17 > 0:21:21You'd think a science grad like Rodney would be more rational.
0:21:21 > 0:21:23I think, yeah, explosives were used.
0:21:23 > 0:21:27I mean, that's been discovered. There's evidence of them.
0:21:27 > 0:21:29There's been two scientific papers on that.
0:21:29 > 0:21:32We're talking about something that very few people know about,
0:21:32 > 0:21:34and that needs to change.
0:21:34 > 0:21:36It seems he's going to be very hard to convince.
0:21:43 > 0:21:47By the morning, Rodney has found a strong ally in Charlotte.
0:21:47 > 0:21:49They're both so convinced Brent and I are wrong,
0:21:49 > 0:21:51they've gone for back-up.
0:21:51 > 0:21:54Tony Szamboti is a mechanical engineer
0:21:54 > 0:21:56who's written articles in professional journals
0:21:56 > 0:21:57about the Twin Towers.
0:21:59 > 0:22:02He's willing to agree it would have been impossible
0:22:02 > 0:22:04to pre-cut all the steel girders unnoticed.
0:22:04 > 0:22:06But he has an answer.
0:22:06 > 0:22:08And I want to show you right here,
0:22:08 > 0:22:11these are pictures of the paper put out by these scientists
0:22:11 > 0:22:15who found active thermitic material discovered in dust
0:22:15 > 0:22:17in the 9/11 World Trade Centre catastrophe.
0:22:17 > 0:22:20When they looked at these red and grey chips,
0:22:20 > 0:22:23they found they had the constituents of thermite.
0:22:23 > 0:22:27- Wow.- In addition to that - this is a big thing - these chips ignite.
0:22:27 > 0:22:29Right. Exactly, and...
0:22:29 > 0:22:32The thermitic reaction was going on.
0:22:32 > 0:22:36He thinks an incendiary called thermite was involved.
0:22:36 > 0:22:39It's a fine powder that can melt steel when ignited.
0:22:39 > 0:22:44Now, there's no way to structurally explain the freefall
0:22:44 > 0:22:47other than some form of controlled demolition device in there.
0:22:47 > 0:22:49- Why weren't those questions asked?- Right.
0:22:51 > 0:22:53Charlotte and Rodney now want to convince us
0:22:53 > 0:22:56that the Twin Towers were brought down by a controlled demolition
0:22:56 > 0:22:59using thermite packed around the girders.
0:23:01 > 0:23:03So I've found them a real boffin,
0:23:03 > 0:23:07a thermite expert from the University of California.
0:23:07 > 0:23:11And I've sent them off to conduct a DIY chemistry experiment.
0:23:11 > 0:23:15It's not really an explosive, it's more of just an incendiary...
0:23:15 > 0:23:17- Yeah, it creates a lot of heat. - Yes.- Yeah.
0:23:17 > 0:23:20Yeah, but it will demonstrate how steel can be melted.
0:23:20 > 0:23:25It's a simple recipe, mixing very small particles in a powder,
0:23:25 > 0:23:27that creates an intense heat when it burns.
0:23:29 > 0:23:33Look at that. Very, very similar red-grey chips.
0:23:33 > 0:23:35Just be prepared to put a safe distance
0:23:35 > 0:23:37between you and the reaction.
0:23:37 > 0:23:41Charlotte and Rodney are sure that when this mixture is ignited,
0:23:41 > 0:23:44it will cut through a steel beam.
0:23:47 > 0:23:50- Woo! Oh, my God!- Whoa!
0:23:51 > 0:23:55Oh, it's so hot! Oh, wow.
0:23:55 > 0:23:57So it's aluminium oxide and iron metal.
0:23:57 > 0:24:00They've partially separated, based on their densities.
0:24:00 > 0:24:02- It's dripping to the floor.- Yes.
0:24:02 > 0:24:06Unfortunately for them, it's clear that three kilos of thermite
0:24:06 > 0:24:09has barely affected the steel beam at all.
0:24:09 > 0:24:12It seems you need a big bucket of the stuff to burn through that.
0:24:12 > 0:24:13Yes, you need a lot.
0:24:13 > 0:24:16You know, probably hundreds of pounds.
0:24:16 > 0:24:19It's unlikely that so much thermite could be so well placed.
0:24:19 > 0:24:23Is it possible to put this stuff in paint and then paint it on?
0:24:23 > 0:24:24In fact, it would act to slow it down
0:24:24 > 0:24:27or prevent the chemical reaction from occurring.
0:24:27 > 0:24:30Would the fire have acted to ignite the thermite reaction?
0:24:30 > 0:24:32Well, it's very difficult to ignite thermite.
0:24:32 > 0:24:35We had to use magnesium ribbon here, and it's very hard.
0:24:35 > 0:24:37Thank you very much.
0:24:37 > 0:24:41It's becoming more and more and more unlikely that this stuff was used
0:24:41 > 0:24:44to bring down the buildings, and...
0:24:44 > 0:24:46Because...
0:24:46 > 0:24:48I really... I'm starting to really question, like,
0:24:48 > 0:24:52what was in it for the establishment to do this with this?
0:24:52 > 0:24:54Like, they had a lot to lose. If they got caught...
0:24:54 > 0:24:57The amount you'd need to put in the buildings.
0:24:57 > 0:24:59If a janitor finds this, calls the police, the police turn up,
0:24:59 > 0:25:02the NYPD finds all these explosives on September 10th,
0:25:02 > 0:25:06it would have brought about revolution in America overnight.
0:25:06 > 0:25:08So it's starting to seem that...
0:25:09 > 0:25:13..the planes did mess up those buildings quite a lot,
0:25:13 > 0:25:17and maybe things like this are unnecessary to explain the collapse.
0:25:17 > 0:25:20But Rodney isn't having any of it.
0:25:20 > 0:25:23He's still holding on to his Thermite theory.
0:25:23 > 0:25:25Good luck, man.
0:25:25 > 0:25:30- I'm not going to go too hardcore, don't worry.- We don't want to break you.- No-one will break me.
0:25:30 > 0:25:32One day saying this, the other day saying that.
0:25:32 > 0:25:37It's not good, really. You can't flip-flop every single day. Change your mind every single day,
0:25:37 > 0:25:41and then completely throw the science out of the window.
0:25:43 > 0:25:45Get on the bus, come on!
0:25:50 > 0:25:53Rodney's not the only person I seem to have upset.
0:25:53 > 0:25:57Charlotte hasn't been convinced by my experts either.
0:25:59 > 0:26:03It's just one person. I can't just take one person's idea
0:26:03 > 0:26:09over, like, hundreds of people. I can't do that in just one day.
0:26:09 > 0:26:11I can't just change my mind.
0:26:11 > 0:26:14But if you have an opinion, you have an opinion, you know?
0:26:14 > 0:26:17It's the land of the free, home of the brave. That's how democracy works.
0:26:17 > 0:26:23This one, he's starting to think... And I felt like when I met you,
0:26:23 > 0:26:26you were pretty sure, and I understand you can't be...
0:26:26 > 0:26:30you can't be sure 100% and I'm not sure 100%.
0:26:30 > 0:26:32- No, me neither. - But that is his prerogative.
0:26:32 > 0:26:36I didn't understand how the buildings could collapse that way and he explained.
0:26:36 > 0:26:40As a person who likes reason and logic and science, it suddenly made sense, and it was, oh!
0:26:40 > 0:26:44At this moment, I have a right to be pissed off.
0:26:45 > 0:26:49On this trip, Charlotte has been relying on Charlie to back her up,
0:26:49 > 0:26:53but the search for the truth is beginning to affect their friendship.
0:26:55 > 0:26:57And I'm feeling a bit guilty.
0:26:59 > 0:27:02I think Charlotte's the most committed,
0:27:02 > 0:27:04the most definitive in her opinions.
0:27:07 > 0:27:11Charlie is very vocal, but I don't think this it's a criticism,
0:27:11 > 0:27:15but I think Charlie's kind of changeable, you know?
0:27:21 > 0:27:27It's a long drive down the eastern seaboard to the site of where the next hijacked plane hit,
0:27:27 > 0:27:30the source of yet another conspiracy theory.
0:27:30 > 0:27:32We're in Washington DC, the capital city
0:27:32 > 0:27:37and home of the vast American Defence headquarters, The Pentagon.
0:27:38 > 0:27:42At 9:38am, September 11th,
0:27:42 > 0:27:46American Airlines Flight 77 crashed into The Pentagon.
0:27:46 > 0:27:50- You see the planes come in? - No. I didn't see no plane, didn't hear no plane.
0:27:50 > 0:27:53Some of my five don't believe there was a plane at all.
0:27:53 > 0:27:59They can't believe a Boeing 757 full of fuel and passengers
0:27:59 > 0:28:04could leave so little wreckage and such a small exit hole in the side of The Pentagon.
0:28:08 > 0:28:11I'm losing even Charlie again.
0:28:11 > 0:28:13He's assembled us in his hotel room.
0:28:13 > 0:28:17The hole that seems to have been punched through, right? This is the punch-out hole.
0:28:17 > 0:28:21Now, what could cause a punch-out hole of that...
0:28:21 > 0:28:23perfect spherical shape?
0:28:24 > 0:28:26A punch out...
0:28:26 > 0:28:28And people are starting to speculate
0:28:28 > 0:28:32that perhaps this was a cruise missile that hit the Pentagon
0:28:32 > 0:28:35as part of an internal attack on America.
0:28:35 > 0:28:41Do you think that a missile could go in there, unnoticed by the general public?
0:28:41 > 0:28:44Well, a missile is a small, very fast-moving thing.
0:28:44 > 0:28:48Most people don't know the difference between a cruise missile engine
0:28:48 > 0:28:51and an airliner engine, because who's listening out for that?
0:28:51 > 0:28:56In 2006, the government was forced to release some CCTV footage,
0:28:56 > 0:29:00which they claim shows the plane hitting the Pentagon.
0:29:00 > 0:29:04My guys believe the images are too poor to prove anything.
0:29:04 > 0:29:06It's hard to argue with that,
0:29:06 > 0:29:09but they still think it was a US missile. I think that's nuts.
0:29:11 > 0:29:13So to try to get their heads round this one,
0:29:13 > 0:29:19I've managed to get them an audience with the Pentagon's Chief Engineer, Allyn Kilsheimer.
0:29:19 > 0:29:22He was an eyewitness and one of the first people on the scene.
0:29:22 > 0:29:27He should be able to tell us whether the Pentagon was hit by a plane or not.
0:29:27 > 0:29:30Allyn's office wall is covered with letters of thanks
0:29:30 > 0:29:32from the Bush White House.
0:29:32 > 0:29:35This hasn't gone unnoticed by my conspiracy crew.
0:29:35 > 0:29:37That one's Donald Rumsfeld.
0:29:39 > 0:29:43"I, George Bush, by virtue of the authority vested in me
0:29:43 > 0:29:47"by the constitution and laws of the United States..." Anyway, it's a letter from George Bush.
0:29:49 > 0:29:54In this whole devastation, what remains of the plane were there?
0:29:54 > 0:29:57When you think about the building, the Pentagon itself,
0:29:57 > 0:30:00I saw parts of a plane, I saw melted parts of a plane
0:30:00 > 0:30:02I saw parts of stewardesses, OK?
0:30:02 > 0:30:05In the building. And they... One of the things they say is, like,
0:30:05 > 0:30:07how can a plane make a round hole?
0:30:07 > 0:30:10You have to understand how the explosions occur.
0:30:10 > 0:30:13And this is a computer model of what happened.
0:30:14 > 0:30:17OK, so this is the plane flying through the Pentagon,
0:30:17 > 0:30:19and if you look at it,
0:30:19 > 0:30:23you see how it shows the plane disintegrating as it goes through.
0:30:25 > 0:30:28It went through three wings of the building.
0:30:30 > 0:30:33Came out at the A&E drive, which is right there.
0:30:34 > 0:30:38What was left of the plane came through, it was a big round circle,
0:30:38 > 0:30:41which is why so many conspiracy people say it was a missile.
0:30:43 > 0:30:47The small size of the hole can easily be explained,
0:30:47 > 0:30:50because it is where the remnants of the plane came out.
0:30:52 > 0:30:55Leaving almost all the debris and passengers inside.
0:30:58 > 0:31:03What came out was what was left of the plane, which is the tail section.
0:31:03 > 0:31:05- You saw that section yourself? - Absolutely. Yes, sir.
0:31:05 > 0:31:09But most of the people that I've heard about
0:31:09 > 0:31:12who believe in these conspiracy theories
0:31:12 > 0:31:15had not talked to anybody factually that was there.
0:31:15 > 0:31:19'Shazin and Charlie seem convinced by the Chief Engineer.'
0:31:19 > 0:31:22It's like a younger and older version of you!
0:31:24 > 0:31:27'But Charlotte clearly is not buying my guy.'
0:31:27 > 0:31:29He couldn't even show us parts of the plane!
0:31:29 > 0:31:33I had such a different experience in there then you did.
0:31:33 > 0:31:36The only reason I think he has a motive to lie
0:31:36 > 0:31:41is because he's so closely connected with the people that I believe have made this a cover-up.
0:31:41 > 0:31:44That young girl, clearly, when she walked in the room...
0:31:44 > 0:31:47had a certain opinion when she walked in the room.
0:31:47 > 0:31:48The look on her face was...
0:31:48 > 0:31:52that she didn't want to hear a thing I was going to say.
0:31:52 > 0:31:55Which is more important to you, the truth, or the right answer?
0:31:55 > 0:32:00- Because they're two very different things.- Who says what is the truth and what is the right answer?
0:32:00 > 0:32:03From instinct, all I can go on is my instinct,
0:32:03 > 0:32:06and if I, in my heart, believe he's not telling me the truth,
0:32:06 > 0:32:08there's nothing he can say,
0:32:08 > 0:32:14unless he can show me real proof of a plane. End of story. All right?
0:32:14 > 0:32:16It was quite dodgy, and a bit sort of suspicious,
0:32:16 > 0:32:21and I knew that from walking in and seeing the letter from Bush and from Rumsfeld on his wall.
0:32:21 > 0:32:24Why do I have to take what he's saying as...?
0:32:24 > 0:32:28But you could have been enquiring, like you have been on the rest of the trip,
0:32:28 > 0:32:30- instead of sulking behind shades. - I can do what I want,
0:32:30 > 0:32:35just like he can do what he wants. He doesn't account to anybody.
0:32:35 > 0:32:39- The guy was there, he was there! - What do you mean, he was there? He saw no plane.
0:32:39 > 0:32:43Do you think I'm going to believe someone
0:32:43 > 0:32:46that I believe is behind the conspiracy that is in the pocket of the government?
0:32:46 > 0:32:50No, fuck. Fuck, no. I don't like this....
0:32:50 > 0:32:54'We're three-quarters of the way through the road trip and tensions are running high.'
0:33:00 > 0:33:04'I've been booked to do a gig at a stand-up club and I've invited the gang along
0:33:04 > 0:33:09'to see if a little bit of conspiracy humour can get to them.'
0:33:13 > 0:33:19Last year, an orang-utan escaped from Dublin Zoo,
0:33:19 > 0:33:25and in the newspaper, and I quote, his zookeeper said,
0:33:25 > 0:33:28"We believe he was planning it for years."
0:33:28 > 0:33:31LAUGHTER
0:33:31 > 0:33:33They reverse-engineered his crime
0:33:33 > 0:33:38and they found out over the last 15 years,
0:33:38 > 0:33:43he'd been cultivating a tree to grow against the wall of his enclosure.
0:33:43 > 0:33:47What the fuck kind of monkey Shawshank Redemption is that?!
0:33:47 > 0:33:48LAUGHTER
0:33:48 > 0:33:50PHONE RINGS
0:33:52 > 0:33:55'Right in the middle of my gig, Rodney's phone goes off.
0:33:55 > 0:33:57'Turns out his mother's caught up with him.
0:33:57 > 0:34:01'She doesn't know he's into conspiracy theories, or even that he's in America.'
0:34:03 > 0:34:06She's a bit worried and a bit anxious about where I am
0:34:06 > 0:34:08and what I'm doing, what's going on.
0:34:08 > 0:34:11Because it's all been... I've been a bit secretive about it.
0:34:11 > 0:34:15I've not told many people what's going on. It might have caused issues
0:34:15 > 0:34:19and I wouldn't have been able to come in the end, and I didn't want that to happen.
0:34:19 > 0:34:21So I'm sort of being a bit incognito
0:34:21 > 0:34:24in order to do what I've got to do.
0:34:24 > 0:34:28What I want to do. And it's me juggling things.
0:34:30 > 0:34:34We all like you now that you've brought Captain Groovy into the White House!
0:34:34 > 0:34:37It all went a little bit dark ten years ago,
0:34:37 > 0:34:40a couple of planes went into a building, it all got a bit miserable,
0:34:40 > 0:34:43but we're back on top, right, brothers and sisters?
0:34:43 > 0:34:46- CHEERING AND APPLAUSE - We're back on top.
0:34:59 > 0:35:01By 9:42am on September 11th,
0:35:01 > 0:35:04three planes had already hit their targets
0:35:04 > 0:35:09and a fourth, United 93, was feared to be flying straight at the White House.
0:35:09 > 0:35:12This man, Ben Sliney, Head of Air Traffic Control,
0:35:12 > 0:35:16gave the order to shut down American air space.
0:35:16 > 0:35:21My conspiracy team want to know why American Air Force fighter jets, sent up that day,
0:35:21 > 0:35:24failed to intercept the hijacked planes.
0:35:24 > 0:35:26They think the US government must have been in on it.
0:35:32 > 0:35:35'I've got Ben, now famous for playing himself
0:35:35 > 0:35:40'in the feature film United 93, to tell them what happened.
0:35:40 > 0:35:44'Much to Charlotte's delight, Charlie is now leading the attack.'
0:35:44 > 0:35:48So in the United States, there is a system in place
0:35:48 > 0:35:52that if a plane of any size goes off course for a while, military jets intercept them, yeah?
0:35:52 > 0:35:57If you've done your homework, you'll know that I believe
0:35:57 > 0:36:00we only had six interceptors available for the whole East Coast.
0:36:00 > 0:36:02So we didn't...
0:36:02 > 0:36:04Is that normal?
0:36:04 > 0:36:09We had a lot of cutbacks in budget, and they closed a lot of squadrons,
0:36:09 > 0:36:14and there were very few aircraft to send up for that type of mission.
0:36:14 > 0:36:16It's budget dollars.
0:36:16 > 0:36:20Given that President Bush was aware of a plan to hijack planes,
0:36:20 > 0:36:26do you feel that aviation security should have been ramped up?
0:36:26 > 0:36:29I think it was a frightful breakdown of security.
0:36:29 > 0:36:32We in Air Traffic Control did not know what was going on.
0:36:32 > 0:36:37No-one had enough of the big picture to actually put it together, I believe.
0:36:37 > 0:36:38So, long story short,
0:36:38 > 0:36:42you think 9/11 happened because the government wasn't talking to each other.
0:36:42 > 0:36:48The various CIA, all these agencies, don't have lines of communication between themselves
0:36:48 > 0:36:51and they could have figured it out, there was enough evidence
0:36:51 > 0:36:54that they could have stopped it all before it started.
0:36:54 > 0:36:58Given what we've been told about the investigations and what each agency knew,
0:36:58 > 0:37:02I think it is very likely that it would have been prevented.
0:37:02 > 0:37:06Wow. That's so great. Thank you so much for your information,
0:37:06 > 0:37:10we really appreciate it, and your opinions.
0:37:10 > 0:37:12There's been no accountability from anyone at all.
0:37:12 > 0:37:19There's still evidence of a government cover-up, that's been admitted by a few people,
0:37:19 > 0:37:22it was just now, there could be a government cover-up.
0:37:22 > 0:37:27There's no "there COULD be a government cover-up", there HAS been a government cover-up.
0:37:27 > 0:37:29They selectively hear things.
0:37:29 > 0:37:33Their takeaway from that will be that the American government did 9/11.
0:37:33 > 0:37:36That's what they just heard.
0:37:36 > 0:37:41Spurred on by Ben Sliney, Rodney thinks if there was a cover-up,
0:37:41 > 0:37:46others, like M15 and the Israeli Secret Service, must have been in on it too.
0:37:46 > 0:37:49There's a lot of espionage going on in the world that we don't know about,
0:37:49 > 0:37:52there's so much in the world going on that we don't know about.
0:37:52 > 0:37:54What possible purpose?
0:37:54 > 0:37:58It includes the Pakistani Secret Service, the Saudi Secret Service, it includes MI5.
0:37:58 > 0:38:00It was called chatter.
0:38:00 > 0:38:04So they all knew 9/11 was going to happen, my point is why did they not tell the US Government?
0:38:04 > 0:38:06Dude, it happens all the time.
0:38:06 > 0:38:08None of us are absolutely, positively...
0:38:08 > 0:38:12Yes, we can! That is not how the world works!
0:38:12 > 0:38:16- How do you know everything? - Because that's not how the world works!
0:38:16 > 0:38:18- We're human beings! - We don't know.
0:38:18 > 0:38:21That's the most ridiculous thing you ever said.
0:38:21 > 0:38:24We don't know Santa does not exist, we can't be sure.
0:38:24 > 0:38:27Santa! You're going to bring in Santa Claus?!
0:38:27 > 0:38:31How do we know he doesn't exist? Who here's been to the North Pole?
0:38:31 > 0:38:34- This is getting silly.- Oh, my God! You're just taking the piss.
0:38:34 > 0:38:39- I am taking the piss out of you, because it's ludicrous! - You're talking about Santa.
0:38:39 > 0:38:41< I'm done, I'm done.
0:38:41 > 0:38:43You're talking about...
0:38:43 > 0:38:46I'm absolutely done with this, you don't make any sense.
0:38:46 > 0:38:51It's like everything about this 9/11 crap, conspiracy nuts...
0:38:54 > 0:38:56You know, they have an end goal,
0:38:56 > 0:39:00and then they fit their silly jigsaw to make it fit.
0:39:13 > 0:39:16I feel like I'm fighting a losing battle, but I've still got one more chance.
0:39:21 > 0:39:25We're off to the site where the last plane, United 93, crashed.
0:39:28 > 0:39:30This is the celebrated flight where the passengers fought back
0:39:30 > 0:39:33and some made calls to their loved ones,
0:39:33 > 0:39:37but according to some of my guys, the plane didn't exist at all.
0:39:43 > 0:39:47At 10:03am, the first crash investigators arrived on the scene
0:39:47 > 0:39:50and found a large hole, but no bodies and no plane.
0:39:50 > 0:39:53My understanding is that the pieces are no larger than the phonebook.
0:39:53 > 0:39:57It does seem a bit strange for a plane to disappear,
0:39:57 > 0:40:02but for our conspiracy theorists, it's fuel to their fire.
0:40:02 > 0:40:05The coroner, Mr Miller, who works at the FBI, neither he
0:40:05 > 0:40:09nor nobody else knows what happened and caused Flight 93 to go down.
0:40:09 > 0:40:12This is from the coroner of Flight 93.
0:40:12 > 0:40:15He himself does not know.
0:40:15 > 0:40:18The wide displacement of the debris found miles out...
0:40:18 > 0:40:22Basically, everything is speculation. It's all speculation.
0:40:22 > 0:40:24No-one knows what happened with Flight 93.
0:40:27 > 0:40:30Air crash investigator Greg wants to prove to Rodney
0:40:30 > 0:40:34and the others that there really was a plane.
0:40:34 > 0:40:37Fortunately, they were able to find the black boxes, that is
0:40:37 > 0:40:40the cockpit voice recorder and the flight data recorder.
0:40:40 > 0:40:46And the airplane went in at a 40-45 degree angle into the ground upside down.
0:40:46 > 0:40:50The sad thing is is that the human body is like a water balloon.
0:40:50 > 0:40:53And so at a high speed impact,
0:40:53 > 0:40:56the human explodes - as does the airplane.
0:40:56 > 0:41:04And so you won't find recognisable parts of the passengers and the crew on that airplane.
0:41:04 > 0:41:08One other thing is that as the airplane went in, of course,
0:41:08 > 0:41:11this part stops because the ground acts as resistance,
0:41:11 > 0:41:15but the rest of the airplane still has a lot of energy and collapses into this big crater.
0:41:15 > 0:41:21That's why a lot of the witnesses said that the impact crater was very shallow,
0:41:21 > 0:41:27but actually, the airplane had gone in almost 40 feet and then the dirt collapsed in on top of it.
0:41:29 > 0:41:33Greg thinks the simple approach to science may convince them.
0:41:33 > 0:41:38Getting them to use flour and stones could prove to them how a plane can disappear completely.
0:41:39 > 0:41:44This one is actually where the rock went in,
0:41:44 > 0:41:47it displaced the flour out and then collapsed back in
0:41:47 > 0:41:49and actually covered up the entire rock.
0:41:49 > 0:41:55Next, with eggs, he shows them how something can shatter into tiny pieces.
0:41:55 > 0:41:57Now you see the debris has spread out.
0:41:57 > 0:42:02And with water bombs, how debris can scatter over a wide area.
0:42:02 > 0:42:04If you saw the splash...
0:42:04 > 0:42:07..you see how much splash area is covered?
0:42:07 > 0:42:12That's because that higher velocity will take the lighter water particles
0:42:12 > 0:42:15and throw them further. The same with the airplane.
0:42:15 > 0:42:19High speed velocity, you're going to get that big impact crater,
0:42:19 > 0:42:22but the smaller flotsam, or debris from inside the airplane
0:42:22 > 0:42:25will be flung further out.
0:42:25 > 0:42:29And that's why we have debris covering 70 acres out in that field.
0:42:29 > 0:42:31We know for a fact...
0:42:31 > 0:42:35..that the aeroplane was intact as it went into the ground,
0:42:35 > 0:42:39and that it was most likely that the pilot who was flying the airplane...
0:42:39 > 0:42:43..actually rolled the airplane and caused it to crash into the ground.
0:42:50 > 0:42:52It was very... there was a lot of pseudo-science.
0:42:52 > 0:42:55There was basically... we had the water bombs and the eggs.
0:42:55 > 0:42:57- It's not pseudo-science. - It is!
0:42:57 > 0:43:00The physics and the thermo-fluid dynamics of an egg...
0:43:00 > 0:43:04We're talking about a completely different scenario.
0:43:04 > 0:43:07Greg's physics gets the two sides of the bus arguing.
0:43:07 > 0:43:10Some of them still aren't convinced there was a plane.
0:43:10 > 0:43:12We would like something more tangible.
0:43:12 > 0:43:18Well, of course he's not going to get a bloody 757 and crash it into the field. It's impossible!
0:43:18 > 0:43:21There's one here!
0:43:21 > 0:43:24But the clincher for me is the passengers' phone calls to their families.
0:43:24 > 0:43:28"Hi baby..."
0:43:29 > 0:43:32It's Shazin who's about to challenge me on this one.
0:43:32 > 0:43:36So a lot of people think that you can't make...
0:43:36 > 0:43:37phone calls on a plane,
0:43:37 > 0:43:40but I don't know how this science works
0:43:40 > 0:43:46because we're still not able... we're still not allowed to use our phones on the plane.
0:43:46 > 0:43:48You possibly could have done it in 2001 but not...
0:43:48 > 0:43:51..above 30,000 feet and 42,000 feet...
0:43:51 > 0:43:53..like it has been on the data recorded.
0:43:53 > 0:43:56So are you saying the satellite's completely different?
0:43:56 > 0:44:00There's no such thing as satellites back then. It was all wire towers on the ground.
0:44:00 > 0:44:02- It's impossible.- How do you know it's impossible?
0:44:02 > 0:44:05I'm not saying anything. Don't put words in my mouth!
0:44:05 > 0:44:08Technically, on the scientific side, it's impossible.
0:44:08 > 0:44:10- We'll agree to disagree. - But that's not the point.
0:44:10 > 0:44:14It's just scientific fact. That's all I'm trying to say. Let's be empirical about it.
0:44:14 > 0:44:17Let's be empirical about this! Let's get rid the emotion
0:44:17 > 0:44:22and let's look at it as a scientific point of view.
0:44:24 > 0:44:29A lady here talking about her son. She felt the conversation was a bit strange.
0:44:29 > 0:44:34Charlotte is suggesting the phone calls made by passengers on United 93
0:44:34 > 0:44:40were in fact faked by reviewing this interview with one of the victims, Mark Bingham's mother.
0:44:40 > 0:44:42So I'll just play that for you now.
0:44:42 > 0:44:47I get on the phone and he said, "Hi, mum, this is Mark Bingham."
0:44:50 > 0:44:54And he says, "I want to let you know that I love you."
0:44:54 > 0:44:57"And I'm flying...
0:44:57 > 0:45:01"And there are three men that say they have a bomb.
0:45:01 > 0:45:03And I said, "Well who are they, Mark?"
0:45:03 > 0:45:07And he repeated that he loved me, and then the phone went dead.
0:45:09 > 0:45:13What I find fascinating about that video is that he says his full name.
0:45:13 > 0:45:18I don't know if you've ever called your parents and said, "Hi, mum. It's Charlotte Scott-Hayes here."
0:45:18 > 0:45:22..ever in your life. I've never introduced myself to my mother with my full name before.
0:45:22 > 0:45:25And the second thing is, if you notice,
0:45:25 > 0:45:28she asks him direct questions and he never answered a direct question.
0:45:28 > 0:45:31In fact, he repeated what he said before so...
0:45:31 > 0:45:37There's people saying if it was fake, you'd just have some standard answers.
0:45:37 > 0:45:41So what we want to find out is if it's possible at all
0:45:41 > 0:45:43to fake someone's voice, record it,
0:45:43 > 0:45:48and play it over the phone and have it seem like it's come from the air.
0:45:48 > 0:45:53Dr George Papcun is one of the inventors of voice morphing technology.
0:45:53 > 0:45:56He's taken an example of Shazin's voice.
0:45:56 > 0:45:59I think everyone wants to be optimistic.
0:45:59 > 0:46:03When you hear of a tragedy, you want to think that the people...
0:46:03 > 0:46:07Then he makes her say something she's never said.
0:46:07 > 0:46:08So look, I made her say this.
0:46:08 > 0:46:11I think everyone wants to disappear and vanish.
0:46:13 > 0:46:15Oh, my God!
0:46:15 > 0:46:17The results are very convincing.
0:46:17 > 0:46:20- That is so scary.- That's very, very scary.- That is so scary.
0:46:20 > 0:46:25So it can be done. So there's some basis to Charlotte's suspicions.
0:46:25 > 0:46:29- If both sides of the conversation were faked...- Right.
0:46:29 > 0:46:34- ..if it really wasn't ever answered by a relative...- Right.
0:46:34 > 0:46:37..I think you're right. I think it could have been faked.
0:46:37 > 0:46:39But I said "if". This is crucial.
0:46:39 > 0:46:44In that regard, if somehow they were able to get Mark Bingham's voice.
0:46:44 > 0:46:46Maybe they have a recorded phone conversation.
0:46:46 > 0:46:51Even Shazin, the most reasonable of the group, thinks the phone calls could have been edited.
0:46:51 > 0:46:54Charlotte is adamant they could have faked Mark's half of the phone call,
0:46:54 > 0:46:58but for her and Shazin's theory to be right,
0:46:58 > 0:47:04they would have to have used that recording in a live conversation between Mark and his mother.
0:47:04 > 0:47:11Can you show us how plausible it is to fake it where one person is a close intimate relative
0:47:11 > 0:47:15and then you're doing a fake recording of that person?
0:47:15 > 0:47:18Different bits of speech on the sound board and you click on the buttons.
0:47:18 > 0:47:21Have you not... Do you know about sound boards?
0:47:21 > 0:47:24Sure, sure. I think in real time
0:47:24 > 0:47:29it is not practical, and probably not realistically possible.
0:47:30 > 0:47:36Look at what I had to do for... Shazin.
0:47:36 > 0:47:38I had to do take a prior existing recording,
0:47:38 > 0:47:42I had to cut things out,
0:47:42 > 0:47:45switch them around, and then recreate what Shazin said.
0:47:45 > 0:47:48I didn't do that here in real time.
0:47:48 > 0:47:53- Yeah.- And that, I think, cannot be done in any realistic way.
0:47:53 > 0:47:56My last chance at convincing them they're wrong
0:47:56 > 0:47:59is to get them to talk to the person on the other end of the line,
0:47:59 > 0:48:01Mark Bingham's mother.
0:48:19 > 0:48:22- Hello!- How you going?
0:48:22 > 0:48:26How are you? I'm Alice Hoagland. How are you?
0:48:26 > 0:48:29- Hello, I'm Shazin. - Shazin.
0:48:29 > 0:48:31- I'm Rodney. - Hello, Rodney. How are you?
0:48:31 > 0:48:32I'm fine thanks.
0:48:32 > 0:48:34Emily. Nice to meet you.
0:48:34 > 0:48:36- Hello, Emily. - You all right?
0:48:36 > 0:48:40Pretty blue eyes. It's a pretty emotional place. I know that.
0:48:40 > 0:48:42Yeah, it's really emotional.
0:48:42 > 0:48:46- It's more emotional for you than it is for me. - Oh, I'll get there.
0:48:47 > 0:48:49I guess it must be have been kind of unusual
0:48:49 > 0:48:52because you and the other families were just, I suppose...
0:48:52 > 0:48:56getting about your day, living your lives, and all of a sudden you're...
0:48:56 > 0:49:00..thrown into this massive global story.
0:49:00 > 0:49:02It began to be surreal right away.
0:49:02 > 0:49:05I answered the phone and I heard Mark's voice,
0:49:05 > 0:49:07and he said, "Mum, this is Mark Bingham."
0:49:07 > 0:49:12Had he ever introduced himself like that before to you?
0:49:12 > 0:49:16Well, on occasion. And people have made quite a to-do about that.
0:49:16 > 0:49:19One of the persistent rumours is that what I heard was...
0:49:19 > 0:49:21..a computer-generated voice,
0:49:21 > 0:49:23that no son would call up his mother
0:49:23 > 0:49:25and say, "Mum, this Mark Bingham."
0:49:25 > 0:49:27And I was puzzling about it,
0:49:27 > 0:49:30but I realised that he was a public relations man,
0:49:30 > 0:49:34he was used to talking to people by introducing himself on the phone
0:49:34 > 0:49:36like, "Hello, this is Mark Bingham."
0:49:36 > 0:49:38It was what came out of his mouth
0:49:38 > 0:49:43when he was trying hard to be calm and composed and talk to his mum.
0:49:43 > 0:49:47I understand why people would be concerned about stories they read on the internet.
0:49:47 > 0:49:49The internet is something like the Wild West,
0:49:49 > 0:49:55and people can get on there with very few credentials and not very many brains and say whatever they want to.
0:49:55 > 0:49:59I don't think there's anything suspicious about him saying his full name.
0:49:59 > 0:50:04- No.- Is there any doubt in your mind that it was your boy you were speaking to?
0:50:04 > 0:50:05Not a bit. Not a bit.
0:50:07 > 0:50:12As a matter of fact, I was trying to think of something intelligent to say and...
0:50:13 > 0:50:16..and then we were cut off,
0:50:16 > 0:50:19and I dialled Mark's cell phone number
0:50:19 > 0:50:23and left him two messages and...
0:50:23 > 0:50:24it went something like this,
0:50:24 > 0:50:29"Mark, this is your mum. It's a terrorist attack and you've got to do what you can do...
0:50:29 > 0:50:34"..and get some weapons together and make a run. You're not going to get much help from on the ground.
0:50:34 > 0:50:37"I love you, sweetie. Good Luck. Good bye!"
0:50:40 > 0:50:47And my messages to Mark were numbers 41 and 42...
0:50:47 > 0:50:51..of a whole bunch of messages that were left for him that he hadn't received.
0:50:52 > 0:50:55And then, from listening to the cockpit voice recording,
0:50:55 > 0:50:58clearly they were! They were fighting.
0:50:58 > 0:51:04And what I could hear was a group of about four, five, six, seven...
0:51:04 > 0:51:09..men charging forward.
0:51:09 > 0:51:12I can just visualise Mark leaping over the seats...
0:51:12 > 0:51:16..and letting the other guys run up the aisle...
0:51:16 > 0:51:19..and you can hear them really close,
0:51:19 > 0:51:21"In the cockpit! In the cockpit! In the cockpit!"
0:51:21 > 0:51:24They were already in the cockpit, at this stage?
0:51:24 > 0:51:27Well, that's what we don't know. I don't know.
0:51:29 > 0:51:31We brought Alice to meet you
0:51:31 > 0:51:36because, so could first hand have, someone face to face could say,
0:51:36 > 0:51:38"Yes, I listened to my loved one
0:51:38 > 0:51:42"that day on an airphone. Yes, I completely believe it was them."
0:51:42 > 0:51:45I have no doubt, I have no doubt in my mind at all
0:51:45 > 0:51:46that that's what she believes,
0:51:46 > 0:51:49I have no doubt in my mind that's what she believes.
0:51:49 > 0:51:52Well, do you think she was duped?
0:51:52 > 0:51:53It's a possibility,
0:51:53 > 0:51:55its a definite possibility.
0:51:55 > 0:51:58It can be done we have the technology to do that.
0:51:58 > 0:52:01It could be done very easily I probably could do it myself.
0:52:01 > 0:52:03OK fine.
0:52:04 > 0:52:09She's a lovely lady, but, um...
0:52:09 > 0:52:12but, for example, if it was someone I knew or someone in my family
0:52:12 > 0:52:15I would be relentlessly fighting to get all the evidence out
0:52:15 > 0:52:16and to have someone account,
0:52:16 > 0:52:19everyone should be held accountable, for me personally.
0:52:21 > 0:52:24You know, I would fight tooth and nail to get justice.
0:52:24 > 0:52:26I find it strange that she was...
0:52:26 > 0:52:28maybe she thinks it's not going to happen,
0:52:28 > 0:52:30maybe she's lost hope. Nothing that sad -
0:52:30 > 0:52:33people in the US government could have prevented it?
0:52:34 > 0:52:38should have? And if they didn't they should be held accountable,
0:52:38 > 0:52:39heads should roll.
0:52:51 > 0:52:55I'm not putting anyone down but we're having a fricking debate,
0:52:55 > 0:53:00if I disagree with you I'm going to say I disagree with you that's how a debate works.
0:53:00 > 0:53:03You're making it sound like I'm being an idiot.
0:53:03 > 0:53:05- I'm not saying that you're... - You're shouting at me!
0:53:05 > 0:53:07Then shout at me back, shout at me back.
0:53:07 > 0:53:13- It just drives me fucking crazy. - I have a loud voice, Charlotte.
0:53:13 > 0:53:16It's like you are either crying or screaming or happy!
0:53:16 > 0:53:20I don't have a heart of stone like you who can stand in front of someone
0:53:20 > 0:53:23who lost their son and then someone else that says it didn't happen.
0:53:23 > 0:53:27Oh, man, has anyone got any Prozac?
0:53:27 > 0:53:29You've driven me so, so crazy at points.
0:53:29 > 0:53:34It doesn't matter who cries when or whatever this whole thing is really emotional
0:53:34 > 0:53:37and if she wants to cry in front of a mother who lost her son it's fine.
0:53:37 > 0:53:40- It's OK, I never said she shouldn't. - Well, that's the thing.
0:53:40 > 0:53:43Yeah, I'm sorry if I'm not cold and not crying.
0:53:43 > 0:53:47- Yeah all right whatever, whatever. - I apologise
0:53:49 > 0:53:51We're at the end of our trip and I want to know
0:53:51 > 0:53:54whether I've succeeded in changing any of their minds.
0:53:56 > 0:53:58Rodney remains convinced it's a conspiracy.
0:53:58 > 0:54:00I think they knew about it and they let it happen.
0:54:00 > 0:54:03I seemed to have failed with charlotte too.
0:54:03 > 0:54:05You believe the American Government, or possibly higher,
0:54:05 > 0:54:09in brackets, Illuminati, were behind 9/11.
0:54:09 > 0:54:11Right, yep.
0:54:11 > 0:54:13Erm, there was no phone calls from the planes?
0:54:13 > 0:54:15Yeah, I still believe in that.
0:54:15 > 0:54:18OK. Er, there was no plane went into the Pentagon,
0:54:18 > 0:54:19it was in fact a missile.
0:54:19 > 0:54:23Yeah, I'm pretty much 80% on that point, I'm still debating that.
0:54:23 > 0:54:24Which one?
0:54:24 > 0:54:26That there wasn't a plane.
0:54:26 > 0:54:29Emily is sitting on the fence.
0:54:29 > 0:54:31I have this-these people telling me one thing
0:54:31 > 0:54:35and these people telling me another thing and I'm in the middle.
0:54:35 > 0:54:39I don't know what to believe because, quite simply,
0:54:39 > 0:54:41we don't know, we don't know what happened.
0:54:41 > 0:54:44Shaz has come to a conclusion too.
0:54:46 > 0:54:48The interesting thing about the trip for me,
0:54:48 > 0:54:51being the least conspiratorial,
0:54:51 > 0:54:56was that people with conspiracy type opinions
0:54:56 > 0:54:58or the people on the trip are...
0:54:59 > 0:55:03..very suspicious
0:55:03 > 0:55:07and I think that that isn't very healthy.
0:55:07 > 0:55:10But Charlie has totally changed his mind.
0:55:11 > 0:55:15I found my personal truth and you don't have to agree with me
0:55:15 > 0:55:19but I can't push propaganda for ideas that I no longer believe in
0:55:19 > 0:55:22and that's, that's what I do so I just need to basically
0:55:22 > 0:55:24take it on the chin, admit I was wrong,
0:55:24 > 0:55:26be humble about it and just carry on.
0:55:28 > 0:55:30The five of them, Charlie, you know,
0:55:30 > 0:55:32the most astonishing really,
0:55:32 > 0:55:34he's completely changed
0:55:34 > 0:55:36from an ardent
0:55:38 > 0:55:39conspiritorialist to
0:55:40 > 0:55:44a weary realist, I suppose, which would be more my position on the thing.
0:55:44 > 0:55:46Its seems in all probability to me,
0:55:46 > 0:55:49and saddening probability to me,
0:55:49 > 0:55:52a bunch of fanatics got through
0:55:52 > 0:55:54because the American government
0:55:54 > 0:55:56didn't see it coming,
0:55:56 > 0:55:58weren't ready for it,
0:55:58 > 0:56:00and in many ways were tragically inept.
0:56:01 > 0:56:05Despite our differences, here at the Pentagon memorial to those who died,
0:56:05 > 0:56:06one thing unites us all -
0:56:06 > 0:56:12it's the sense of tragedy and loss of 2973 innocent people
0:56:12 > 0:56:17on that terrible day in America. September the 11th 2001.
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