0:00:10 > 0:00:14# Every day when I'm away
0:00:14 > 0:00:18# I'm thinking of you
0:00:18 > 0:00:22# Every one can carry on
0:00:22 > 0:00:25# Except for we two... #
0:00:25 > 0:00:27It really is incomprehensible to try
0:00:27 > 0:00:29and explain to people...
0:00:31 > 0:00:33..what it's like to lose...
0:00:33 > 0:00:36Maxine.
0:00:36 > 0:00:38Maxine Hambleton was 18 when she died.
0:00:40 > 0:00:44Maxine loved Slade, she was in love with Dave Hill,
0:00:44 > 0:00:47she had a poster of him on her wall.
0:00:47 > 0:00:50She was full of life, she was kind,
0:00:50 > 0:00:52erm...
0:00:52 > 0:00:54she was funny.
0:00:54 > 0:00:56She was sharp as a knife.
0:00:58 > 0:01:00She was murdered in Birmingham almost 40 years ago
0:01:00 > 0:01:03and her family's still trying to find out who did it.
0:01:05 > 0:01:07I can just see her walking away
0:01:07 > 0:01:10and it's very, very hard.
0:01:10 > 0:01:14To think that I was the last one in my family to see her alive
0:01:14 > 0:01:16and the way she was...
0:01:17 > 0:01:19I delivered her to her death.
0:01:34 > 0:01:36Sign the petition, folks! Takes two minutes!
0:01:36 > 0:01:38But Maxine didn't die alone.
0:01:38 > 0:01:40In 1974, 21 people were killed
0:01:40 > 0:01:44and almost 200 others were injured in the he Birmingham pub bombings.
0:01:44 > 0:01:46- Sign the petition, folks! - The case remains unsolved.
0:01:46 > 0:01:48Two minutes to sign the petition!
0:01:48 > 0:01:51- I remember the bombs.- Do you?- Yeah.
0:01:51 > 0:01:53I don't think anyone will forget that.
0:01:53 > 0:01:56We've been following them for over a year.
0:01:56 > 0:02:00Maxine's brother, Brian and her sister, Julie are setting out
0:02:00 > 0:02:02their stall to demand a fresh investigation
0:02:02 > 0:02:05and justice for the 21 who were killed.
0:02:05 > 0:02:09- Excuse me, sir, could you sign our petition, please? - No thank you, cheers.
0:02:09 > 0:02:11Excuse me, sir...
0:02:11 > 0:02:15- Excuse me, could I trouble you for a signature?- I haven't got the time, sorry.
0:02:15 > 0:02:18It's hard. It's really hard.
0:02:18 > 0:02:21They're only yards from the two city centre pubs where the bombs
0:02:21 > 0:02:23went off and on days like these,
0:02:23 > 0:02:25their small band of supporters really keeps them going.
0:02:27 > 0:02:31They really are an incredible group of people.
0:02:31 > 0:02:34Without them, without any shadow of a doubt,
0:02:34 > 0:02:36we wouldn't be where we are today.
0:02:38 > 0:02:42The Hambletons want 100,000 signatures on their petition
0:02:42 > 0:02:46to show the police and politicians that Birmingham is behind them.
0:02:46 > 0:02:50It doesn't sound like such a big ask in a city of over a million people
0:02:50 > 0:02:53but they are still 90,000 short.
0:02:54 > 0:02:57Justice for the 21!
0:02:57 > 0:03:01Is this an old story in danger of getting lost in a modern city?
0:03:01 > 0:03:04We found someone who doesn't need a history lesson.
0:03:04 > 0:03:06She was there.
0:03:06 > 0:03:08- Hi, Julie, I'm Maureen. - Hello, Maureen.
0:03:08 > 0:03:12- Maureen Mitchell, I was a victim in the bombings.- Oh, my God!- Yeah.
0:03:12 > 0:03:15Hello, it's really nice to meet you. Oh, my God!
0:03:15 > 0:03:18I did see you at the vigil in November but you'd got so many people around you.
0:03:18 > 0:03:20Were you in the tavern at the time?
0:03:20 > 0:03:22- I was in the... - In the Mulberry Bush.- Yeah.
0:03:24 > 0:03:27Maureen Mitchell was so badly injured in the Mulberry Bush pub,
0:03:27 > 0:03:30priests gave her the last rights.
0:03:30 > 0:03:33This is the first time she's met Julie.
0:03:35 > 0:03:38Oh, God. You took me by surprise.
0:03:38 > 0:03:41- Sorry.- It's emotional
0:03:41 > 0:03:43for me because you were there.
0:03:43 > 0:03:46- I mean, it wasn't in the same pub but...- No, no.
0:03:46 > 0:03:48..you have been through it, literally
0:03:48 > 0:03:50and my heart goes out to you.
0:03:50 > 0:03:53Well, mine does to you because, you know, it's different for me.
0:03:53 > 0:03:55I mean, I'm here to tell the tale and obviously Maxine...
0:03:55 > 0:03:59- Yeah, but you have real life memories of horror.- Yeah.
0:03:59 > 0:04:02Real horror and terror.
0:04:02 > 0:04:0521 people died and 182 were injured but surprisingly few
0:04:05 > 0:04:08of the families affected by the bombings know each other.
0:04:08 > 0:04:10But there are reasons for that.
0:04:10 > 0:04:13I did go through a very bad stage of survivor guilt.
0:04:13 > 0:04:15That you do feel guilty that you survived
0:04:15 > 0:04:19when someone like Julie lost someone so close to them.
0:04:19 > 0:04:22The IRA has always been blamed for the bombings
0:04:22 > 0:04:24but publicly never admitted it.
0:04:24 > 0:04:26Maureen tells a different story.
0:04:26 > 0:04:29I mean, we've... We've been to Ireland, haven't we?
0:04:29 > 0:04:32And been involved in the peace programme in Ireland and we've met
0:04:32 > 0:04:36sort of ex-terrorsits or whatever they like to call themselves, haven't we?
0:04:36 > 0:04:39And we know - some of them have actually said - we'd do it again if we had to.
0:04:39 > 0:04:43- What he actually said to me, they never targeted civilians.- Yeah.
0:04:43 > 0:04:46- They never targeted civilians? - That's what he said...
0:04:46 > 0:04:48That were his words and then I says to him,
0:04:48 > 0:04:51"What about Birmingham?" He said that was a mistake.
0:04:51 > 0:04:53- How could it be a mistake? - I don't know.
0:04:53 > 0:04:56They had three bombs, one was in one pub, one was in another
0:04:56 > 0:04:59- and the other one didn't go off. - But those were his actual words.
0:04:59 > 0:05:00That was a mistake.
0:05:00 > 0:05:04Well, his actual phrase to me was, "The difference between us
0:05:04 > 0:05:08"and Al-Qaeda, is that we've never targeted civilians."
0:05:09 > 0:05:12It's been a tough conversation to have in the streets
0:05:12 > 0:05:15but it sounds like this was a good time to have it.
0:05:15 > 0:05:19If I can support Julie in any way, I will and we will stay in touch now,
0:05:19 > 0:05:21I'm sure we will, you know...
0:05:21 > 0:05:24# I was dancing when I was 12... #
0:05:24 > 0:05:27Brian is driving to where he dropped his sister off
0:05:27 > 0:05:28on the night of the bombings.
0:05:28 > 0:05:32Memories follow him through a city that has moved on from the '70s.
0:05:33 > 0:05:35I see it in a different light.
0:05:35 > 0:05:39I'm sort of stuck in a kind of limbo.
0:05:41 > 0:05:44Tonight, the pubs are full again and fear of the IRA has gone.
0:05:47 > 0:05:51But 40 years ago, Birmingham was a very different place.
0:05:51 > 0:05:55Irish republicans were resisting British rule in Northern Ireland.
0:05:55 > 0:05:59Some turned to terrorism, planting bombs at home and on the mainland.
0:05:59 > 0:06:03The West Midlands was hit more than 30 times in 12 months.
0:06:03 > 0:06:06Thankfully, there were few casualties
0:06:06 > 0:06:09but that was about to change.
0:06:09 > 0:06:12You could never have guessed what was going to happen within
0:06:12 > 0:06:14the next 60 minutes.
0:06:15 > 0:06:18Why would somebody want to kill people like that?
0:06:18 > 0:06:20Well, just kill people.
0:06:20 > 0:06:22We're out in a pub.
0:06:23 > 0:06:27The Mulberry Bush, at the foot of Birmingham's rotunda and
0:06:27 > 0:06:30the Tavern In The Town basement bar - where Maxine was -
0:06:30 > 0:06:32were blown to pieces.
0:06:33 > 0:06:36She was one of six children. Julie, the youngest,
0:06:36 > 0:06:39was only 11 when it happened
0:06:39 > 0:06:42and has one small box of memories.
0:06:42 > 0:06:46And there's a picture of Maxine.
0:06:46 > 0:06:50I think that's a fantastic picture of her cos it really captures her.
0:06:50 > 0:06:53You know, look at her smile
0:06:53 > 0:06:56and she made that dress herself.
0:07:00 > 0:07:02Bless her.
0:07:02 > 0:07:04Alongside the memories, there is
0:07:04 > 0:07:06also a suggestion of how her sister died.
0:07:06 > 0:07:08And then...
0:07:09 > 0:07:10I come across this.
0:07:15 > 0:07:19She used to love her bangles, Maxine.
0:07:19 > 0:07:21She wore lots and lots of bangles.
0:07:22 > 0:07:24And these were her rings...
0:07:24 > 0:07:25and...
0:07:27 > 0:07:30..I'm not sure but I think that this...
0:07:31 > 0:07:32..is what she was wearing...
0:07:34 > 0:07:36..on erm...
0:07:36 > 0:07:39On the night she was killed
0:07:39 > 0:07:41because it's all bent and damaged.
0:07:45 > 0:07:47And it's all burnt.
0:07:52 > 0:07:54Starting the campaign has exposed them
0:07:54 > 0:07:57to harrowing details they were never told as children.
0:07:57 > 0:08:02Julie thinks it's time they were told everything.
0:08:02 > 0:08:05We don't care how many boxes we have to open
0:08:05 > 0:08:08but whatever it takes, we will do it.
0:08:09 > 0:08:11Because...
0:08:11 > 0:08:14somebody has got to fight
0:08:14 > 0:08:17for these people who aren't here to fight for themselves.
0:08:19 > 0:08:23News of the campaign is starting to travel and so must Brian and Julie.
0:08:23 > 0:08:26They are one their way to meet a high profile supporter.
0:08:26 > 0:08:29- Hello.- Hi. Travelling to Belfast?- Yes, please.
0:08:29 > 0:08:30Thank you.
0:08:30 > 0:08:33He's waiting for them in Belfast
0:08:33 > 0:08:36and this will be their first visit to Northern Ireland.
0:08:36 > 0:08:40It's ironic to think that we are having to go to Northern Ireland...
0:08:41 > 0:08:43..to get movement.
0:08:43 > 0:08:47Now, in itself, that is odd.
0:08:47 > 0:08:49It's nice to be meeting people at the top,
0:08:49 > 0:08:53all the people in power but erm...
0:08:54 > 0:08:56..we're only doing all this for one reason.
0:08:56 > 0:08:59As far as I'm concerned, I don't want to be messed about.
0:08:59 > 0:09:02Which I'll... That'll be my first line. I...
0:09:02 > 0:09:06If he can help, that'll be fantastic but if he can't,
0:09:06 > 0:09:09I'd rather them say so.
0:09:09 > 0:09:10Out of the rain, there's a warm,
0:09:10 > 0:09:14Ulster welcome from the First Minister, Peter Robinson.
0:09:14 > 0:09:16Hello, Mr Robinson, I'm Julie Hambleton.
0:09:16 > 0:09:21I've been reading something of the campaign itself, obviously from...
0:09:21 > 0:09:24a Northern Ireland perspective we look very closely and there was
0:09:24 > 0:09:29massive empathy and sympathy at the time of the bombing itself.
0:09:29 > 0:09:31He's no friend of the IRA,
0:09:31 > 0:09:32quite the opposite.
0:09:32 > 0:09:34As leader of the Democratic Unionists,
0:09:34 > 0:09:38he wants Northern Ireland to remain British.
0:09:38 > 0:09:41The Hambletons haven't come to talk politics,
0:09:41 > 0:09:43they just want his help.
0:09:43 > 0:09:47I've indicated to the group that if they want to put together
0:09:47 > 0:09:52a dossier, I'll ensure that it goes into the hands of the Prime Minister.
0:09:52 > 0:09:56I believe the Prime Minister looks at the arguments they're putting
0:09:56 > 0:10:00forward, there's every reason why there should be an investigation.
0:10:00 > 0:10:03They're not going to argue with that.
0:10:03 > 0:10:06It was very interesting. Very enlightening.
0:10:06 > 0:10:09He listens, he understood...
0:10:11 > 0:10:14..and he has given us some fantastic, erm,
0:10:14 > 0:10:18advice and guidance and he's going to try and help us,
0:10:18 > 0:10:20erm...
0:10:20 > 0:10:23to the top of the tree, to the Prime Minister.
0:10:25 > 0:10:29Belfast has given them a much needed morale boost.
0:10:29 > 0:10:32They can only wait to see if Mr Robinson delivers on his promise
0:10:32 > 0:10:36but back in Birmingham, it's back to business.
0:10:36 > 0:10:38This campaign never stops.
0:10:38 > 0:10:40It's taken over their lives...
0:10:40 > 0:10:43and their living rooms.
0:10:43 > 0:10:46It is extremely time consuming, it...
0:10:46 > 0:10:50We literally eat, sleep, drink it.
0:10:50 > 0:10:53Erm, we dream about it.
0:10:53 > 0:10:56But why have they left it so long?
0:10:56 > 0:10:58I wasn't strong enough.
0:10:59 > 0:11:02Grief is a terrible thing
0:11:02 > 0:11:05and anyone who has lost a loved one,
0:11:05 > 0:11:08erm, to murder,
0:11:08 > 0:11:10any form of murder
0:11:10 > 0:11:13or horrendous loss,
0:11:13 > 0:11:15will know what we're talking about.
0:11:15 > 0:11:17Some people never recover.
0:11:17 > 0:11:20Ladies and gentleman,
0:11:20 > 0:11:25for 16 and a half years we have been used as political scapegoats!
0:11:25 > 0:11:29There is another reason why the families kept quiet.
0:11:29 > 0:11:33The police told us from the start that they knew we hadn't done it!
0:11:33 > 0:11:37Six Irishmen jailed for the bombings in 1975
0:11:37 > 0:11:41walked free from the Court of Appeal after 16 and a half years in prison.
0:11:41 > 0:11:44Judges ruled their 21 murder convictions were unsafe
0:11:44 > 0:11:46and overturned them.
0:11:48 > 0:11:52I couldn't watch it because as far as I was concerned,
0:11:52 > 0:11:55it was like Maxine had been murdered again.
0:11:57 > 0:12:01The 1991 Birmingham Six appeal had demolished the credibility of
0:12:01 > 0:12:03the police investigation.
0:12:03 > 0:12:05It was as if, erm...
0:12:07 > 0:12:10..all the victims and the survivors
0:12:10 > 0:12:13were basically made a laughing stock of.
0:12:15 > 0:12:16Justice?!
0:12:16 > 0:12:19I don't think them people in their have got the intelligence
0:12:19 > 0:12:23nor the honesty to spell the word, never mind dispense it.
0:12:23 > 0:12:25They're rotten!
0:12:28 > 0:12:33This man is about to take the campaign in an unexpected direction.
0:12:33 > 0:12:36My name's Patrick Joseph Hill and I'm one of the men who would
0:12:36 > 0:12:38come to be know as the Birmingham six.
0:12:40 > 0:12:43Paddy Hill is the most vocal and recognisable of the Birmingham Six.
0:12:44 > 0:12:47He's been out of prison for 23 years
0:12:47 > 0:12:50and bears the scars of his won battle for justice.
0:12:50 > 0:12:54The sooner we get the truth then maybe for the living
0:12:54 > 0:12:57relatives of those who died and for those that were injured
0:12:57 > 0:13:01and are still alive, maybe then they might have some closure.
0:13:01 > 0:13:05Because none of us will ever have closure until we do know the truth.
0:13:07 > 0:13:10He has signed the Hambleton's petition
0:13:10 > 0:13:13and is a seasoned campaigner.
0:13:13 > 0:13:15But would they want his help?
0:13:15 > 0:13:18We're about to find out.
0:13:18 > 0:13:21It's like we're going to meet the enemy.
0:13:21 > 0:13:23They hated him for years
0:13:23 > 0:13:26and HE knows it.
0:13:26 > 0:13:29When I see the Hambletons, I'm looking forward to it
0:13:29 > 0:13:32but I'm still a bit a bit apprehensive, you know?
0:13:32 > 0:13:34I know how I'm going to take them,
0:13:34 > 0:13:36it's how they're going to take me.
0:13:37 > 0:13:39From opposite ends of this tragedy,
0:13:39 > 0:13:42the three of them are about to meet in the middle.
0:13:42 > 0:13:44They're leaving Birmingham for another town
0:13:44 > 0:13:47blown apart by terrorists.
0:13:47 > 0:13:50This is one man of six,
0:13:50 > 0:13:53who through the years has been vilified
0:13:53 > 0:13:56and is infamous for the death of...
0:13:57 > 0:14:00..our sister and 20 other innocent souls.
0:14:00 > 0:14:02We can't go further forward without...
0:14:04 > 0:14:05..doing this.
0:14:07 > 0:14:10I understand how those people feel, like, you know?
0:14:10 > 0:14:13They've had years of...
0:14:13 > 0:14:16having someone to focus their anger on
0:14:16 > 0:14:19and of course, their anger was focused on us.
0:14:19 > 0:14:22I have a similar anger
0:14:22 > 0:14:26but my anger is focused on the West Midlands Serious Crime Squad.
0:14:26 > 0:14:28There's many questions I want to ask him.
0:14:28 > 0:14:31I don't know what order I'll ask them in.
0:14:31 > 0:14:33Erm...
0:14:33 > 0:14:34But...
0:14:36 > 0:14:37..Erm...
0:14:37 > 0:14:39It's judging... judging him as a character.
0:14:41 > 0:14:43They've come to Warrington.
0:14:43 > 0:14:45The Tim Parry and Jonathan Ball Peace Centre
0:14:45 > 0:14:47was built in memory of two young boys
0:14:47 > 0:14:51who were killed when an IRA bomb exploded in the town 20 years ago.
0:14:54 > 0:14:57The charity specialises in bringing people affected by terrorism
0:14:57 > 0:14:58together peacefully.
0:14:59 > 0:15:03They are experts at handling volatile meetings and with
0:15:03 > 0:15:07only a door between Paddy and the Hambletons, things are tense.
0:15:15 > 0:15:17Julie, Brian, do you want to come in and take a seat?
0:15:17 > 0:15:19These two seats here, yeah?
0:15:19 > 0:15:20- Paddy, do you just want to...?- Hi.
0:15:20 > 0:15:23Stay there a second and, erm, Julie and Brian just want to sit down.
0:15:25 > 0:15:28- Hi, Julie.- Hello.- Hi, Brian.
0:15:28 > 0:15:31- Right, obviously know Brian, Julie and Paddy.- Yeah.
0:15:31 > 0:15:35I want to just start talking for a few moments,
0:15:35 > 0:15:40if I may and just introduce and welcome you to the peace centre.
0:15:40 > 0:15:41Well...
0:15:44 > 0:15:46I'm glad you're here, we're face to face
0:15:46 > 0:15:50to ask you what I'd like to ask you and that's...
0:15:50 > 0:15:53My first question would be, obviously, erm...
0:15:53 > 0:15:57I, myself, my family and the rest of the population of Birmingham -
0:15:57 > 0:16:02it's in our DNA that we was told and read through the media
0:16:02 > 0:16:05and what we was told by the police - that you...
0:16:06 > 0:16:10..was the ringleader of the so-called Birmingham Six.
0:16:10 > 0:16:13- And as far as I was concerned you killed my sister.- Yeah.
0:16:13 > 0:16:16And all the other 20 innocents.
0:16:16 > 0:16:18I understand that, I understand that.
0:16:18 > 0:16:21You don't have to tell me, I know what they said.
0:16:21 > 0:16:26And let me tell you something, you may not believe this,
0:16:26 > 0:16:30I have never ever in my life been asked one
0:16:30 > 0:16:34question by the police about the Birmingham pub bombs.
0:16:34 > 0:16:35Never.
0:16:35 > 0:16:39Don't get me wrong, I am Irish, I am green and I am republican.
0:16:39 > 0:16:42I would love to see my country united
0:16:42 > 0:16:45but I have nothing to do with the IRA.
0:16:45 > 0:16:48And you see, when it happened, the cops told us
0:16:48 > 0:16:51right from the start - and I can't...
0:16:51 > 0:16:54I can't ever... Their words are burned into my brain.
0:16:54 > 0:16:58They turned round and told us right from the beginning, quote,
0:16:58 > 0:17:00"We know you didn't do the bombings.
0:17:00 > 0:17:02"We don't give a... who done the bombings.
0:17:02 > 0:17:05"We've got you, that's good enough for us."
0:17:05 > 0:17:08Neither side sits comfortably.
0:17:08 > 0:17:10But after two hours,
0:17:10 > 0:17:12some common ground opens up.
0:17:12 > 0:17:14Do you have access to the statements?
0:17:14 > 0:17:17Or the trial transcripts?
0:17:17 > 0:17:22- Or do your solicitors?- I have every thing that you could think of.
0:17:22 > 0:17:24Could you make them available to us?
0:17:24 > 0:17:28I already told Anthony last night, I will talk to my solicitor.
0:17:28 > 0:17:30And... Cos we have it all...
0:17:30 > 0:17:33I have a complete file of everything.
0:17:33 > 0:17:36I'm the only one of the six of us that kept...
0:17:36 > 0:17:39I done all the fighting in the jail.
0:17:39 > 0:17:42I was the one that done all the writing and what have you and...
0:17:42 > 0:17:43But I kept every bit.
0:17:43 > 0:17:46I have a complete set of everything
0:17:46 > 0:17:49at my solicitors in London.
0:17:49 > 0:17:53They'd been asking the police for that sort of access for months.
0:17:54 > 0:17:58I think I'm quite a good judge of character. I mean, you...
0:17:58 > 0:18:01I mean, I could be sitting here still thinking that you
0:18:01 > 0:18:03- killed my sister...- Yeah.
0:18:04 > 0:18:08But, you know, what we've learned and detected over the last year -
0:18:08 > 0:18:11without going overboard -
0:18:11 > 0:18:13has changed my mindset.
0:18:13 > 0:18:16- Thank you, thank you. - That's as far as I'm willing to go.
0:18:16 > 0:18:20A couple of hours has barely scratched the surface of the history between them
0:18:20 > 0:18:23but it's exposed the damage done to both sides.
0:18:23 > 0:18:26And they tore my family apart.
0:18:26 > 0:18:28My mother...
0:18:29 > 0:18:32Everything. My kids ended up in homes and everything.
0:18:32 > 0:18:38Then my kids... My kids ended up moving house nine times in 11 years.
0:18:38 > 0:18:42They didn't even know what name they were using.
0:18:42 > 0:18:45For my family, you know?
0:18:45 > 0:18:49The meeting has ended hopefully, if not happily.
0:18:49 > 0:18:53Paddy's offer to help has opened up a new channel for the campaign.
0:18:53 > 0:18:56If we can have access to his papers...
0:18:57 > 0:18:59..through his solicitor...
0:19:03 > 0:19:06..that would turn everything upside-down.
0:19:06 > 0:19:08Does this mean Paddy has won them over?
0:19:08 > 0:19:11It was the hardest thing I've ever had to do.
0:19:11 > 0:19:13It's still hard for us to...
0:19:13 > 0:19:15You know, it's... It's part...
0:19:15 > 0:19:17It's in everyone's psyche, isn't it?
0:19:17 > 0:19:19That he was the ringleader
0:19:19 > 0:19:23and he did it so for us to do what we've done...
0:19:24 > 0:19:28..is absolutely profound for us.
0:19:28 > 0:19:30I feel absolutely numb.
0:19:30 > 0:19:33I, erm...
0:19:33 > 0:19:37I can't believe I've just, erm...
0:19:38 > 0:19:40..met and spent time...
0:19:43 > 0:19:47..with the man I've always been told and believed, erm...
0:19:48 > 0:19:49..murdered my sister.
0:19:51 > 0:19:54Erm, but if it wasn't for the facts...
0:19:55 > 0:19:58..that through our own investigations that we've done,
0:19:58 > 0:20:03I couldn't have sat here for the period of time I have done.
0:20:03 > 0:20:04That was quite some meeting.
0:20:04 > 0:20:07Yeah, yeah, very intense
0:20:07 > 0:20:09but I'm glad we had it.
0:20:09 > 0:20:12You know, and hopefully that...
0:20:12 > 0:20:15It'll help them to understand things better.
0:20:15 > 0:20:17Rather than just believe everything
0:20:17 > 0:20:20that they've been told for the last, nearly 40 years.
0:20:20 > 0:20:23Also, one of the things that I said in there to them,
0:20:23 > 0:20:26you've got to get the members of parliament.
0:20:26 > 0:20:28We have enough members of parliament around the Midlands.
0:20:30 > 0:20:32Dig it up and start asking questions.
0:20:34 > 0:20:36But the police didn't find any answers after the second
0:20:36 > 0:20:39investigation in 1994.
0:20:39 > 0:20:43We have done every possible thing that we can to bring
0:20:43 > 0:20:45the perpetrators of that crime to justice
0:20:45 > 0:20:48and the conclusion that has been reached is the one that
0:20:48 > 0:20:50I don't need to read to you again, that there is insufficient
0:20:50 > 0:20:53evidence for proceedings to be taken.
0:20:53 > 0:20:56If they'd done everything that was humanly possible...
0:20:56 > 0:21:00then how come the perpetrators are still out there with their liberty?
0:21:02 > 0:21:06At the very top of this building, West Midlands Police commanders
0:21:06 > 0:21:09are taking the Hambleton's questions and frustrations seriously.
0:21:09 > 0:21:12No promises have been made but the door to a fresh
0:21:12 > 0:21:15investigation has been opened just a little.
0:21:17 > 0:21:19We've been gathering together all of
0:21:19 > 0:21:23the material from the investigations that took place in 1974,
0:21:23 > 0:21:27the latter investigations around the Court of Appeal time
0:21:27 > 0:21:30in the late '80s and then the further work that was
0:21:30 > 0:21:33done in the '90s by West Midlands Police.
0:21:37 > 0:21:39That's a massive amount of paperwork.
0:21:39 > 0:21:42A task force from the counter terrorism unit has spent
0:21:42 > 0:21:45the past year piecing it all together at a top secret location.
0:21:46 > 0:21:49None of this has been shown on television before
0:21:49 > 0:21:50and even now,
0:21:50 > 0:21:52detectives insist on filming it themselves.
0:21:54 > 0:21:57I understand and appreciate - having spoken to them -
0:21:57 > 0:22:00some of the pain that they carry
0:22:00 > 0:22:03having gone for so long not understanding all of
0:22:03 > 0:22:06the circumstance and issues that surround this case.
0:22:06 > 0:22:09We'll go where the evidence goes in time
0:22:09 > 0:22:14and we'll go with re-investigating if that's the right thing to do.
0:22:14 > 0:22:18If there's... If there is no hope, then clearly we'll need to...
0:22:18 > 0:22:21to make that decision and we'll need to explain it.
0:22:23 > 0:22:26But his predecessors messed up.
0:22:26 > 0:22:29The evidence gathered was ruled unsafe by the Court of Appeal.
0:22:29 > 0:22:31What hope is there?
0:22:31 > 0:22:33It's very much sort of on record, isn't it,
0:22:33 > 0:22:36in terms of the original work was found to be
0:22:36 > 0:22:38flawed by the Court of Appeal.
0:22:38 > 0:22:40I think that the erm,
0:22:40 > 0:22:44if you like, the approach that was taken to managing families
0:22:44 > 0:22:47in these types of cases is very different today than it was there.
0:22:47 > 0:22:51I think it's right that we have a much closer relationship with them,
0:22:51 > 0:22:54we definitely are doing this because it's the right thing to do and
0:22:54 > 0:22:57it's right that we should be able to answer their questions in time.
0:22:59 > 0:23:01The Hambletons are running out of patience with the police
0:23:01 > 0:23:04but Paddy's come through with his promise and invited them
0:23:04 > 0:23:06to his solicitor's office in Camden.
0:23:07 > 0:23:09If they have...
0:23:10 > 0:23:13..information that...
0:23:13 > 0:23:18can provide some questions - or answers to some of our questions,
0:23:18 > 0:23:23it will be a truly remarkable
0:23:23 > 0:23:25moment in our campaign for justice.
0:23:28 > 0:23:30- Ah, come in.- Hello.
0:23:30 > 0:23:35They're about to meet someone who thinks it's remarkable they've never been shown any evidence.
0:23:35 > 0:23:39- I brought back enough boxes that I thought we could get started.- OK.
0:23:39 > 0:23:42But I didn't want to overwhelm you
0:23:42 > 0:23:45and there are a lot more.
0:23:45 > 0:23:48The renowned human rights lawyer Gareth Peirce got Paddy
0:23:48 > 0:23:52out of jail and has kept every scrap of paperwork.
0:23:52 > 0:23:54Over 200 boxes worth.
0:23:54 > 0:23:59Maybe this is useful for you just to take away with you as well,
0:23:59 > 0:24:00erm, because it...
0:24:01 > 0:24:05..it sort of helps you keep track of what the evidence was.
0:24:05 > 0:24:07But where do they start?
0:24:07 > 0:24:10- We'd like to know everything.- Yeah.
0:24:10 > 0:24:12We have a right to know everything.
0:24:12 > 0:24:14The lawyer agrees.
0:24:14 > 0:24:17I think they have, erm...
0:24:17 > 0:24:20a completely reasonable,
0:24:20 > 0:24:22appropriate, erm...
0:24:23 > 0:24:28..just expectation and that's to simply be told the truth.
0:24:28 > 0:24:33Simply be given the data that exists.
0:24:33 > 0:24:36That's not a big ask.
0:24:36 > 0:24:39It looks like they've got a lot of reading to do.
0:24:39 > 0:24:41I mean, thank goodness for
0:24:41 > 0:24:46Gareth and what Paddy's done to make certain things available to us.
0:24:46 > 0:24:47Erm...
0:24:47 > 0:24:51It is, it is a very odd alliance, erm...
0:24:52 > 0:24:56Something that we would never ever have conceived prior to...
0:24:57 > 0:24:59..12 months ago, as short as that.
0:25:01 > 0:25:05But erm, as the old saying goes, needs must and...
0:25:06 > 0:25:08Erm...
0:25:08 > 0:25:11We are - for want of a better expression, quite possibly
0:25:11 > 0:25:15fighting exactly the same cause, looking for the same answers.
0:25:17 > 0:25:22But should they really be doing their own detective work?
0:25:22 > 0:25:24The police exist
0:25:24 > 0:25:26to investigate.
0:25:26 > 0:25:29They're paid enormous sums,
0:25:29 > 0:25:32they're given enormous resources,
0:25:32 > 0:25:35they're given exceptional powers...
0:25:36 > 0:25:41..over the rest of the citizens of this country.
0:25:41 > 0:25:44They've failed - in a spectacular way -
0:25:44 > 0:25:47these families.
0:25:47 > 0:25:49In a disgraceful way
0:25:49 > 0:25:53and so far as I can detect,
0:25:53 > 0:25:56they haven't even owned up to the families
0:25:56 > 0:25:59of the ways in which they've failed,
0:25:59 > 0:26:03let alone any analysis of how they
0:26:03 > 0:26:06believe they might succeed.
0:26:06 > 0:26:08As the other half of this odd alliance,
0:26:08 > 0:26:11what does Paddy think they should do next?
0:26:11 > 0:26:15There is some good members of parliament out there
0:26:15 > 0:26:18and there is some good police officers as well
0:26:18 > 0:26:20and I've no doubt that as time goes on,
0:26:20 > 0:26:23hopefully in the near future, that some of them are going to
0:26:23 > 0:26:27step up to the mark and come out with the truth and that's...
0:26:27 > 0:26:31Let's get it done once and for all and hopefully it will give us,
0:26:31 > 0:26:34not only the victims but it will also give us
0:26:34 > 0:26:36and our families closure.
0:26:37 > 0:26:40The Hambletons have taken some important and difficult steps
0:26:40 > 0:26:44this year, learning a lot about the case and campaigning.
0:26:45 > 0:26:47If you would have said to me...
0:26:49 > 0:26:50..erm...
0:26:50 > 0:26:5624 months ago that my brother and I would be meeting Paddy Hill...
0:26:57 > 0:26:59..we would have said
0:26:59 > 0:27:02that you were completely off your rocker.
0:27:03 > 0:27:07The Prime Minister now knows about justice for the 21.
0:27:07 > 0:27:09He's reading Brian and Julie's dossier
0:27:09 > 0:27:12and they expect an update on the police review soon.
0:27:15 > 0:27:18The 40th anniversary will make a difficult year
0:27:18 > 0:27:21but the campaign IS moving forward.
0:27:21 > 0:27:25I've always had the sense that, erm...
0:27:25 > 0:27:28the people in power think we was probably
0:27:28 > 0:27:30only going to last five minutes,
0:27:30 > 0:27:33erm, but we're still here
0:27:33 > 0:27:36and we won't go away and I...
0:27:37 > 0:27:39I don't know how long I'll be on this planet for
0:27:39 > 0:27:41but I'll be fighting this till the day I die.
0:27:41 > 0:27:44Sign the petition, folks! Take you two minutes!
0:27:44 > 0:27:48We need the people of Birmingham to stand up,
0:27:48 > 0:27:51to come out and support our campaign.
0:27:51 > 0:27:53We need the whole of the UK to come out
0:27:53 > 0:27:56and stand up for our campaign
0:27:56 > 0:28:00so that WE ALL together, as a group,
0:28:00 > 0:28:06can force the hands of the authorities to bring the truth
0:28:06 > 0:28:10out once and for all and for justice to be served
0:28:10 > 0:28:12and to be seen to be done.
0:28:12 > 0:28:14# One little wave
0:28:14 > 0:28:18# To say you'll behave
0:28:18 > 0:28:22# It won't even show
0:28:22 > 0:28:27# How far love can go. #