The Betrayed Girls

0:00:02 > 0:00:06This programme contains scenes some viewers may find upsetting.

0:00:06 > 0:00:08For decades in Britain, thousands of vulnerable children

0:00:08 > 0:00:11were systematically abused by gangs of men,

0:00:11 > 0:00:12and yet no one dared speak out.

0:00:14 > 0:00:17We'd seen so many girls who'd experienced this situation.

0:00:17 > 0:00:21We got to the point where we thought somebody's going to have to die

0:00:21 > 0:00:22before anything is done.

0:00:23 > 0:00:26The victims were groomed, drugged and raped,

0:00:26 > 0:00:30and this was happening across vast parts of the country.

0:00:32 > 0:00:35It was happening in Birmingham, it was happening in Bradford,

0:00:35 > 0:00:37it was happening in Manchester.

0:00:37 > 0:00:40How come every single aspect of the British establishment treated every

0:00:40 > 0:00:44single case that had cropped up as an isolated, one-off case with no

0:00:44 > 0:00:48pattern whatsoever to any of the other cases that were so similar?

0:00:48 > 0:00:49But there was a pattern,

0:00:49 > 0:00:53one that risked reigniting delicate race relations,

0:00:53 > 0:00:55particularly in the north.

0:00:55 > 0:00:58- NEWS REPORT:- There have been violent clashes with white and Asian youths.

0:00:58 > 0:01:01The troubles in the north-west are integrally linked with the success

0:01:01 > 0:01:03of the British National Party in the last election.

0:01:03 > 0:01:06There was absolutely no getting away from the facts that the victims were

0:01:06 > 0:01:12young white children and that the offenders were older Pakistani men.

0:01:12 > 0:01:17Once those facts became understood by the powers that be,

0:01:17 > 0:01:21I think that they made a conscious decision that they weren't going to

0:01:21 > 0:01:22open up that box.

0:01:22 > 0:01:25It was allowed to slide away and it was buried.

0:01:27 > 0:01:29The abuse took place in plain sight,

0:01:29 > 0:01:35and yet professionals chose to look the other way and say nothing.

0:01:35 > 0:01:38As the years passed, the silence grew deafening.

0:01:38 > 0:01:41Inflammatory voices stepped in.

0:01:41 > 0:01:43My blood has boiled.

0:01:43 > 0:01:45The system's failed us.

0:01:45 > 0:01:48They have not protected our daughters.

0:01:48 > 0:01:52Social services failed, educators failed, health professionals failed,

0:01:52 > 0:01:55police, prosecutors. There is none, there is no agency

0:01:55 > 0:01:57I can think of that has got this right.

0:01:57 > 0:02:02The trial has begun of 11 men accused of sexually abusing girls

0:02:02 > 0:02:03as young as 13.

0:02:03 > 0:02:07I don't care what faith or what colour somebody is.

0:02:07 > 0:02:09These are perpetrators. These are abusers.

0:02:09 > 0:02:12I don't care whether they damage community relations.

0:02:12 > 0:02:13Bring them to justice.

0:02:14 > 0:02:16This film uncovers why a wall of silence

0:02:16 > 0:02:20surrounded the on-street grooming of young girls,

0:02:20 > 0:02:25why these children's cries for help were ignored again and again,

0:02:25 > 0:02:30and how, over a decade, this pattern of monstrous sexual abuse

0:02:30 > 0:02:33was finally forced out into the open.

0:02:45 > 0:02:49In 2003, with an alarming rise in teenage pregnancy

0:02:49 > 0:02:52across the country, the Labour government of the day

0:02:52 > 0:02:56created numerous outreach centres to offer sexual health advice

0:02:56 > 0:02:58to the young and vulnerable.

0:02:58 > 0:03:01- ON RADIO:- 'What's going wrong with sex education?'

0:03:02 > 0:03:05One of the centres was on the outskirts of Rochdale,

0:03:05 > 0:03:07a deprived borough of Greater Manchester.

0:03:07 > 0:03:10'..about sex, drugs and alcohol.'

0:03:10 > 0:03:13No sooner had it opened its doors than the staff of ten

0:03:13 > 0:03:17began to hear stories far more worrying than they'd anticipated.

0:03:19 > 0:03:23Very quickly we started to identify a number of young people

0:03:23 > 0:03:25who were incredibly vulnerable,

0:03:25 > 0:03:31who were engaging in sexual activity which wasn't necessarily by choice.

0:03:31 > 0:03:33It was something that they felt they needed to do.

0:03:35 > 0:03:40It became a situation where we would identify one girl who was vulnerable

0:03:40 > 0:03:42and then she would come along with her other friends,

0:03:42 > 0:03:44and they were equally vulnerable.

0:03:45 > 0:03:49We got little snippets of information from each girl about,

0:03:49 > 0:03:53you know, their life, really, and what they were experiencing.

0:03:53 > 0:03:57They'd tell us that their boyfriend was a taxi driver,

0:03:57 > 0:04:02or that they were enjoying getting really drunk at weekend,

0:04:02 > 0:04:04at a party where there were lots of adult men.

0:04:12 > 0:04:15From the age of 12 I moved from care home to care home.

0:04:15 > 0:04:17You never actually got any love.

0:04:17 > 0:04:18Life was just crap all the time.

0:04:20 > 0:04:22When I first got involved, it was for fun.

0:04:22 > 0:04:23They were my friends.

0:04:23 > 0:04:26I could actually talk to them and they wouldn't judge me.

0:04:28 > 0:04:30They'd be giving me drink and drugs.

0:04:30 > 0:04:32I just thought, oh, free party, I don't mind.

0:04:33 > 0:04:35I was 13.

0:04:37 > 0:04:40Back then, drinking was this dead exciting thing.

0:04:40 > 0:04:44So we'd have a drink and then we'd just go drive around on the moors

0:04:44 > 0:04:47and stuff like that. It became like an everyday thing,

0:04:47 > 0:04:50not just, like, a weekend thing.

0:04:50 > 0:04:53I thought, oh, this is fun. You know when you're younger,

0:04:53 > 0:04:56you hang around with someone a lot older, you think...

0:04:56 > 0:04:58like, you get like a little buzz out of it.

0:04:58 > 0:05:03I just threw myself out there and thought I was invincible.

0:05:03 > 0:05:04I wasn't scared of nothing or no one.

0:05:06 > 0:05:10She was full of life but had run away from council care

0:05:10 > 0:05:13as many as 50 times. Today, Manchester Social Services

0:05:13 > 0:05:18expressed their shock at the death of 15-year-old Victoria Agoglia

0:05:18 > 0:05:22but said such tragedies were not always preventable.

0:05:22 > 0:05:25Victoria died at the weekend from a suspected drugs overdose

0:05:25 > 0:05:28after disappearing from a children's home in Rochdale.

0:05:28 > 0:05:31Two men are being questioned in connection with her death.

0:05:31 > 0:05:35Victoria was probably 13 or 14 when I first met her.

0:05:35 > 0:05:40She'd found herself in a situation that was way beyond her control.

0:05:40 > 0:05:42She just wanted us to help her.

0:05:43 > 0:05:49She was really bright, funny, and engaging.

0:05:50 > 0:05:52She made me want to work with her.

0:05:53 > 0:05:55I met her about three times.

0:05:55 > 0:05:57On the fourth occasion I was due to see her,

0:05:57 > 0:06:00I read in the news that she'd...

0:06:00 > 0:06:01That she was dead.

0:06:05 > 0:06:08Victoria had a long and troubled history with the police

0:06:08 > 0:06:12and social services. So, her death threw up a warning flag

0:06:12 > 0:06:14within Greater Manchester Police.

0:06:16 > 0:06:19They suspected that it might be more than a simple drug overdose.

0:06:21 > 0:06:24DC Maggie Oliver, known for her sensitivity and delicate work

0:06:24 > 0:06:27with vulnerable and grieving families was called in

0:06:27 > 0:06:28by her superiors.

0:06:30 > 0:06:33I saw a photo of this beautiful young girl

0:06:33 > 0:06:36and this letter that was heartbreaking.

0:06:38 > 0:06:43She was 13 years old and talking about having been abused

0:06:43 > 0:06:47by so many men that she couldn't count.

0:06:47 > 0:06:51"I'm only 13. I've got the rest of my life ahead of me."

0:06:52 > 0:06:54She'd done things she was ashamed of, loved her family,

0:06:54 > 0:06:55and felt she had let them down.

0:06:55 > 0:06:58"I've slept with people older than me,

0:06:58 > 0:07:00"half of them I don't even know their name."

0:07:00 > 0:07:01It was really a cry for help.

0:07:01 > 0:07:04"I'm a slag and that's nothing to be proud of.

0:07:04 > 0:07:05"And they treated me like shit."

0:07:05 > 0:07:09She died of a drugs overdose but we knew that she had been abused

0:07:09 > 0:07:10on a massive scale.

0:07:12 > 0:07:15Myself and the two officers that I was working with,

0:07:15 > 0:07:19we were asked to undertake what was called at the time, and I quote,

0:07:19 > 0:07:24"a scoping exercise", where we would really have free reign,

0:07:24 > 0:07:28under the daily supervision of a detective inspector,

0:07:28 > 0:07:32to go out and really find out whether we had a problem

0:07:32 > 0:07:36with children being systematically groomed and sexually abused

0:07:36 > 0:07:39by gangs in the Greater Manchester area.

0:07:40 > 0:07:42That was the starting point for Operation Augusta.

0:07:44 > 0:07:46It was not the first time such stories had echoed

0:07:46 > 0:07:49around northern cities and towns.

0:07:50 > 0:07:53Rumours of the sexual abuse of young girls by gangs

0:07:53 > 0:07:55had circulated for years.

0:07:57 > 0:08:0112 months earlier in the West Yorkshire town of Keighley,

0:08:01 > 0:08:05the local Labour MP had been faced with more than just hearsay.

0:08:06 > 0:08:11Some seven mothers came to see me and they had genuine concerns

0:08:11 > 0:08:16about the way their daughters were abused by this gang.

0:08:17 > 0:08:21It had all started from having a boyfriend at school,

0:08:21 > 0:08:25a very handsome, attractive young man from the Pakistani community

0:08:25 > 0:08:28who then handed them on to much older men.

0:08:29 > 0:08:33The mothers had ganged up together in order to get the police

0:08:33 > 0:08:35to be active on it.

0:08:35 > 0:08:38The police kept saying to them that due to the fact

0:08:38 > 0:08:41they felt fairly sure that the girls had been consenting...

0:08:43 > 0:08:47..probably under the influence of drugs and drink,

0:08:47 > 0:08:49but consenting, there was nothing they could do.

0:08:51 > 0:08:54Nearly all of these girls were 12 and 13.

0:08:54 > 0:08:56Whether it had been with consent or without consent,

0:08:56 > 0:09:01it was a criminal offence. I've no doubts in my own mind about it.

0:09:01 > 0:09:04I really wanted to help them and I wanted it to stop.

0:09:07 > 0:09:11Within a couple of weeks of GMP starting the scoping exercise,

0:09:11 > 0:09:14Maggie Oliver and her two colleagues had gathered the names

0:09:14 > 0:09:18of 17 child victims and numerous alleged perpetrators.

0:09:19 > 0:09:23They knew that the vast majority of sexual abuse is committed

0:09:23 > 0:09:26by white men in the home.

0:09:26 > 0:09:29But here something very different seemed to be taking place.

0:09:30 > 0:09:35The deeper down we started to dig, the more it became

0:09:35 > 0:09:39absolutely abundantly clear the children being targeted

0:09:39 > 0:09:42were similar kinds of children.

0:09:42 > 0:09:45Young, white, and from difficult backgrounds,

0:09:45 > 0:09:50not all in care but had had difficult starts in life.

0:09:50 > 0:09:54The make-up of the offenders was almost exclusively

0:09:54 > 0:09:56of Pakistani origin.

0:09:58 > 0:10:00And it isn't predominantly Asian men.

0:10:00 > 0:10:02It's predominantly Pakistani men.

0:10:10 > 0:10:12Every weekend we used to go.

0:10:12 > 0:10:14It was a laugh and a joke.

0:10:15 > 0:10:18And, you know, you used to get what you wanted out of it

0:10:18 > 0:10:21because you used to get beer and your fags.

0:10:21 > 0:10:28Then they changed and wanted more than just giving you free beer.

0:10:31 > 0:10:35They just said, I bought you beer, now let's have sex.

0:10:35 > 0:10:38Somebody else will come with a bottle of vodka

0:10:38 > 0:10:41and that person would expect the same as the person before.

0:10:42 > 0:10:45Then they bring another friend with another bottle of vodka

0:10:45 > 0:10:49and some more fags and then he'd expect the same

0:10:49 > 0:10:51as what the person before.

0:10:51 > 0:10:53It just escalated from there.

0:10:53 > 0:10:55It just kept going more, and more, and more.

0:10:57 > 0:10:58I was 14.

0:11:05 > 0:11:08My friend used to go out with Pakistani men.

0:11:08 > 0:11:09One night she took me out as well.

0:11:11 > 0:11:14I didn't know any Pakistani people.

0:11:14 > 0:11:16I only saw them in takeaways and driving taxis.

0:11:18 > 0:11:22They'd go on like they like you, they want to be your boyfriend.

0:11:22 > 0:11:25I actually believed them.

0:11:25 > 0:11:26I was 14 years old.

0:11:27 > 0:11:29They bought us drinks.

0:11:29 > 0:11:32I thought, "Oh, I'll have some of this."

0:11:32 > 0:11:35It got to the point where I was really drunk.

0:11:35 > 0:11:37One slept with my friend and after he's finished

0:11:37 > 0:11:41another went in and slept with her. Then they done the same with me.

0:11:41 > 0:11:43It's like they was passing us about.

0:11:48 > 0:11:50There were often occasions when girls were there

0:11:50 > 0:11:55outside our building at 8:30am, 8:15am in the morning.

0:11:55 > 0:11:58They were waiting for us to arrive.

0:11:58 > 0:12:00They'd been up all night.

0:12:00 > 0:12:05They were really smelly, totally dishevelled, really frightened.

0:12:08 > 0:12:11There was one girl who'd been dumped on the moors.

0:12:11 > 0:12:15She'd walked about six miles to get to our building.

0:12:15 > 0:12:19She'd been raped, she'd been thrown out of a car,

0:12:19 > 0:12:22that there were a number of men who'd had intercourse with her.

0:12:26 > 0:12:30I got myself in, like, some really bad states.

0:12:30 > 0:12:34I used to always go there because they were someone to talk to.

0:12:34 > 0:12:35I used to tell them everything.

0:12:35 > 0:12:38I just felt safe there.

0:12:41 > 0:12:43There was a woman who used to work in the clinic.

0:12:43 > 0:12:45She was like a sister.

0:12:45 > 0:12:47She was like, "What are you doing?"

0:12:47 > 0:12:50She used to say to me, like, "These men, they don't love you."

0:12:50 > 0:12:52"They're not going to marry you.

0:12:52 > 0:12:54"They're not going to take you back home to their mum."

0:12:55 > 0:12:58You're there to do stuff with them and then go.

0:12:58 > 0:13:01That ain't love. Getting you drunk and then abusing you.

0:13:01 > 0:13:05PHONE RINGS

0:13:05 > 0:13:07We called the police every time.

0:13:07 > 0:13:09We spoke to the police every time.

0:13:09 > 0:13:11I kept being told the police can't do anything

0:13:11 > 0:13:15unless you have a victim. OK. You only have a victim

0:13:15 > 0:13:18if the victim is prepared to make a statement.

0:13:18 > 0:13:21Now, often the children couldn't articulate that anyway.

0:13:21 > 0:13:23They couldn't articulate...

0:13:24 > 0:13:27Aside from that, I think they were really frightened.

0:13:27 > 0:13:30They were really frightened of the consequences.

0:13:30 > 0:13:34They'd been hit, threatened - "I know where you live,

0:13:34 > 0:13:38"I know who your mum is, I'll kill members of your family."

0:13:38 > 0:13:42I think they were frightened as well about - my parents might be

0:13:42 > 0:13:46disappointed, or I might get in trouble at school, or...

0:13:48 > 0:13:51..my friends might find out, you know?

0:13:51 > 0:13:55All of which is a child's mind, it's a child way of thinking.

0:14:08 > 0:14:11I knew that this problem of on-street grooming

0:14:11 > 0:14:14was a real problem and it needed to be tackled.

0:14:16 > 0:14:18The only way to progress the investigation

0:14:18 > 0:14:19was to get children who were

0:14:19 > 0:14:25prepared, or a child who was prepared to tell me, or one of us,

0:14:25 > 0:14:27what was happening to them.

0:14:30 > 0:14:33One of the children, I spent a considerable amount of time

0:14:33 > 0:14:36talking to her and trying to gain her trust.

0:14:38 > 0:14:40Once I'd started to gain her trust,

0:14:40 > 0:14:43she agreed to take me on a drive-round of the area.

0:14:45 > 0:14:49She was telling us that they were being taken to various premises

0:14:49 > 0:14:51along, what we call in Manchester, the Curry Mile.

0:14:53 > 0:14:58Many of the locations were, like, flats above the takeaway places.

0:15:00 > 0:15:03On one of the drive-rounds we drove past a vehicle.

0:15:03 > 0:15:06She ducked down in the front of the car and said that car

0:15:06 > 0:15:08across the road with that man driving it,

0:15:08 > 0:15:10that is one of the men that abuse me.

0:15:19 > 0:15:23I met taxi drivers through, like, the people in the kebab houses.

0:15:23 > 0:15:26They used to drive us to places...

0:15:28 > 0:15:31..where takeaway people would tell them to take us...

0:15:32 > 0:15:36..and we'd meet another taxi driver, then another one, and another one.

0:15:37 > 0:15:39We'd just get out of one car and go in another car.

0:15:41 > 0:15:44Then he'd tell you to trust that taxi driver.

0:15:44 > 0:15:47Don't worry, trust him, it will be all right.

0:15:47 > 0:15:50And then you'd go in that taxi driver's car

0:15:50 > 0:15:52and you'd do sex with him and then you'd go on

0:15:52 > 0:15:54to another taxi driver's car.

0:16:06 > 0:16:0950 miles away in West Yorkshire the local MP was struggling

0:16:09 > 0:16:12to get the attention she'd hoped for.

0:16:13 > 0:16:18I probably went to see the police about once a month over a 12 to 18

0:16:18 > 0:16:22months period and they always had a new excuse for not doing anything.

0:16:24 > 0:16:28I followed it up with the head of social services at that time

0:16:28 > 0:16:32and she told me, "Well, there's not a great deal we can do

0:16:32 > 0:16:35"because these children are not in care.

0:16:35 > 0:16:37"They're with their parents and, therefore,

0:16:37 > 0:16:39"it's the responsibility of the parents,

0:16:39 > 0:16:41"not of the local authority."

0:16:41 > 0:16:44- NEWS REPORT:- 'Church leaders from across West Yorkshire

0:16:44 > 0:16:46'have signed a statement calling on voters to reject

0:16:46 > 0:16:49'the British National Party at the local and European elections.'

0:16:49 > 0:16:52With little interest from the authorities, Ann Cryer decided to

0:16:52 > 0:16:57appeal to community leaders who might be able to intervene.

0:16:57 > 0:16:59As this was a particularly sensitive issue,

0:16:59 > 0:17:01she turned to an intermediary.

0:17:04 > 0:17:08I approached a local Muslim Labour councillor.

0:17:08 > 0:17:11I had him come in and listen to the story of these women.

0:17:11 > 0:17:15He was clearly very moved by their stories.

0:17:15 > 0:17:21I asked him, would he be prepared to take this list of young men down to

0:17:21 > 0:17:26the mosque after Friday prayers, and see the elders?

0:17:29 > 0:17:33I'd wanted them to make it clear that in the view of the elders

0:17:33 > 0:17:38they are behaving in a totally un-Islamic way

0:17:38 > 0:17:41and it will bring shame on them, on their family

0:17:41 > 0:17:46and on their religion if they continue to behave in this way.

0:17:47 > 0:17:51He went down, he saw them, he gave them the list.

0:17:51 > 0:17:54They all looked at these lists and they all agreed, yes,

0:17:54 > 0:17:57they knew all the lads, they knew the families,

0:17:57 > 0:17:59they knew where they lived, everything about them.

0:17:59 > 0:18:03And then they said, "Really, it's got nothing to do with us."

0:18:03 > 0:18:05End of story.

0:18:07 > 0:18:10I was horrified and disappointed.

0:18:10 > 0:18:16The BNP were becoming active and they were going to have a field day

0:18:16 > 0:18:18on this. I didn't want that to happen.

0:18:19 > 0:18:25From then on, I started to try to get the media involved.

0:18:27 > 0:18:29- NEWS REPORT:- 'Despite a local petition asking voters

0:18:29 > 0:18:33'to say no to racism, the BNP now has a toehold in Yorkshire

0:18:33 > 0:18:36'with more seats being contested in the forthcoming May elections.'

0:18:38 > 0:18:41The key point of the press release was that the men who were doing this

0:18:41 > 0:18:44to these girls were, I think the word used was,

0:18:44 > 0:18:46from the Asian community.

0:18:47 > 0:18:50I spoke to Ann Cryer's researcher.

0:18:50 > 0:18:53She'd told me that the scale of this was far greater

0:18:53 > 0:18:56than they'd been able to say in the initial press release.

0:18:56 > 0:18:59They'd identified over 30 men who were involved.

0:19:01 > 0:19:06The idea of young girls, 13, 14, being befriended by lads

0:19:06 > 0:19:11who weren't much older than them initially and then introduced

0:19:11 > 0:19:14to a wider and wider circle of friends,

0:19:14 > 0:19:18the idea that this was in some way a collective activity,

0:19:18 > 0:19:21girls were being passed around men...

0:19:22 > 0:19:25..I'd not encountered anything like that before.

0:19:26 > 0:19:31I remember so clearly the feeling of how on earth do you report a story

0:19:31 > 0:19:35that is a fantasy for the far right?

0:19:35 > 0:19:39It's everything you could wish for if you're pushing

0:19:39 > 0:19:40a particular agenda.

0:19:40 > 0:19:46It's innocent, white girls and it's evil, dark-skinned men.

0:19:46 > 0:19:48- NEWS REPORT:- 'The government's failure to control asylum

0:19:48 > 0:19:51'and immigration was a force for bad.'

0:19:51 > 0:19:53Norfolk's fears were not without foundation.

0:19:54 > 0:19:59The BNP's vote in recent local elections had increased 300-fold

0:19:59 > 0:20:02in only three years, winning them seats on councils

0:20:02 > 0:20:03across northern towns.

0:20:05 > 0:20:08With a general election looming, immigration,

0:20:08 > 0:20:11race and asylum were key topics of the day.

0:20:11 > 0:20:14- TONY BLAIR:- Yes, it is true that we need to control immigration.

0:20:14 > 0:20:17Yes, it is important we discuss it.

0:20:17 > 0:20:19But it's an issue that should be dealt with, not exploited.

0:20:19 > 0:20:27To my shame, I allowed my liberal fear about giving succour

0:20:27 > 0:20:31and credence to the British National Party to act as a brake

0:20:31 > 0:20:32on actually doing my job.

0:20:33 > 0:20:36Norfolk decided not to write an article.

0:20:37 > 0:20:40New in the job as The Times northern correspondent,

0:20:40 > 0:20:43he turned his attention to less inflammatory issues

0:20:43 > 0:20:46across the region, unaware that the phenomenon

0:20:46 > 0:20:47wasn't limited to Keighley.

0:20:49 > 0:20:53We phoned the police, we phoned children's social care.

0:20:53 > 0:20:57They were stuck in that position of we're the police, we do this,

0:20:57 > 0:21:00we're social services, we do this.

0:21:00 > 0:21:02You know, I started to feel as though

0:21:02 > 0:21:05I was facing a great big brick wall.

0:21:05 > 0:21:09I started to send letters rather than making a phone call.

0:21:09 > 0:21:13Because the police can't ignore a letter.

0:21:13 > 0:21:15They can ignore or not record a phone call.

0:21:15 > 0:21:18But if you send a letter, they can't ignore that.

0:21:18 > 0:21:21So I would send duplicate letters to the police, to social services.

0:21:21 > 0:21:24My child protection lead also had a copy of the information

0:21:24 > 0:21:27that I was sharing. So it had gone everywhere, you know.

0:21:27 > 0:21:31Enough people had detail around an event.

0:21:33 > 0:21:36I kept hoping that at least somebody,

0:21:36 > 0:21:42one of those professionals, would respond, or do or...

0:21:42 > 0:21:44You know, help,

0:21:44 > 0:21:46really.

0:21:46 > 0:21:4912 months from opening its doors,

0:21:49 > 0:21:53the staff at CIT had lodged more than a dozen cases with police

0:21:53 > 0:21:55and social services.

0:21:55 > 0:21:59As far as they knew, no action had been taken.

0:21:59 > 0:22:01Yet the accounts of abuse continued.

0:22:09 > 0:22:13I used to blame myself, but then the next weekend it would be the same.

0:22:13 > 0:22:16They'll be ringing you saying, I've not seen you for ages,

0:22:16 > 0:22:19I've missed you. That little bit of attention you get,

0:22:19 > 0:22:23you get excited off it, feeling that you're wanted,

0:22:23 > 0:22:25or somebody thinks you're really attractive,

0:22:25 > 0:22:27makes you feel good about yourself.

0:22:28 > 0:22:34He took me to London, Blackburn, Huddersfield, Bradford, Birmingham.

0:22:34 > 0:22:35Places like that.

0:22:38 > 0:22:41I woke up in, like, a house.

0:22:41 > 0:22:42Like a derelict building.

0:22:42 > 0:22:44Just, like, a bed there.

0:22:44 > 0:22:48And I've woke up not knowing where I am, or how I got there.

0:22:48 > 0:22:49I've had no clothes on.

0:22:49 > 0:22:51Freezing cold. And they're nowhere to be seen.

0:23:02 > 0:23:05At Greater Manchester Police headquarters,

0:23:05 > 0:23:07after six months of investigation,

0:23:07 > 0:23:11Maggie Oliver's scoping exercise was drawing to a close.

0:23:11 > 0:23:15She was getting ready to make her case to her superiors.

0:23:15 > 0:23:17I personally wrote the report.

0:23:19 > 0:23:23I started it with the photograph of Victoria, and her letter.

0:23:24 > 0:23:27Anybody who read that report had to see that picture

0:23:27 > 0:23:29and had to read that letter.

0:23:29 > 0:23:35I wanted a powerful message to go to senior officers

0:23:35 > 0:23:42that the human consequences of not addressing this massive problem

0:23:42 > 0:23:46of on-street grooming now professionally and properly,

0:23:46 > 0:23:49could lead, and would lead, to other children

0:23:49 > 0:23:52being in Victoria's position.

0:23:52 > 0:23:54I wanted that abuse to stop.

0:24:00 > 0:24:03Mr Speaker, may I begin by...

0:24:03 > 0:24:05I had hoped that I would get on board

0:24:05 > 0:24:08comrades in the Labour Party.

0:24:08 > 0:24:11And many were. Many were genuinely sympathetic

0:24:11 > 0:24:13to what I was talking about

0:24:13 > 0:24:16and supported me in every way.

0:24:16 > 0:24:23But there was a small number who either very openly,

0:24:23 > 0:24:27or perhaps whisper, whisper, you know, sort of,

0:24:27 > 0:24:31were saying things that perhaps I was something of a racist.

0:24:31 > 0:24:33And that was very upsetting.

0:24:34 > 0:24:39I'm absolutely convinced it was political correctitude gone mad.

0:24:39 > 0:24:42You know, there was absolutely no reason for it.

0:24:42 > 0:24:45I was rocking the multicultural boat,

0:24:45 > 0:24:49but how do you get changes without talking about it?

0:24:52 > 0:24:55In May 2004, Maggie Oliver and her colleagues

0:24:55 > 0:24:58finished and presented the Augusta Report.

0:24:59 > 0:25:04The Assistant Chief Constable accepted fully what we were saying.

0:25:04 > 0:25:06He didn't dispute it at all.

0:25:06 > 0:25:09He accepted that Greater Manchester Police area had a problem

0:25:09 > 0:25:11with on-street grooming.

0:25:11 > 0:25:15We had word back that Greater Manchester Police fully accepted

0:25:15 > 0:25:18we had a problem, and they were going to resource

0:25:18 > 0:25:21Operation Augusta with a full major incident team.

0:25:23 > 0:25:26And the team I was working with, we were over the moon.

0:25:26 > 0:25:28This problem was going to be addressed.

0:25:28 > 0:25:29Erm...

0:25:29 > 0:25:33You know, I've... We've got one child that's died, I'm thinking,

0:25:33 > 0:25:36we can address this, we can stop it growing.

0:25:36 > 0:25:37You know, we're going to do it.

0:25:43 > 0:25:46My husband was terminally ill with cancer.

0:25:47 > 0:25:49I was needed at home.

0:25:49 > 0:25:50My husband needed me.

0:25:50 > 0:25:52I've got four children.

0:25:52 > 0:25:55And I went off work to...

0:25:55 > 0:25:57erm, to...

0:25:57 > 0:26:00to look after my husband through his final three months.

0:26:05 > 0:26:07I'd kind of felt that I can walk away from this,

0:26:07 > 0:26:10I can go and concentrate on my family.

0:26:10 > 0:26:12All our hard work had paid off.

0:26:12 > 0:26:14This problem was going to be addressed.

0:26:25 > 0:26:28The British National Party is launching its election manifesto

0:26:28 > 0:26:31this lunchtime. The party, which wants an end to all immigration,

0:26:31 > 0:26:34is fielding more than 100 candidates.

0:26:34 > 0:26:36Four times as many as at the 2001 election.

0:26:36 > 0:26:40This was all timed to coincide with St George's Day celebrations.

0:26:40 > 0:26:41At last year's European elections,

0:26:41 > 0:26:45the BNP received almost a million votes, proof, they say,

0:26:45 > 0:26:47that they're moving forward.

0:26:47 > 0:26:52In May 2005, the BNP stood in larger numbers than ever before

0:26:52 > 0:26:54in a UK general election.

0:26:54 > 0:26:56They called for withdrawal from the EU,

0:26:56 > 0:26:59an end to immigration and multiculturalism,

0:26:59 > 0:27:01and warned of the creeping power of Islam.

0:27:03 > 0:27:07Their message found support across northern cities and towns,

0:27:07 > 0:27:10particularly when they added the grooming of white working-class

0:27:10 > 0:27:12children to their campaign.

0:27:14 > 0:27:16Griffin made this announcement.

0:27:16 > 0:27:23He was coming to take on Ann Cryer as the BNP candidate for Keighley,

0:27:23 > 0:27:26to protect these vulnerable white girls.

0:27:26 > 0:27:28What Ann Cryer dismisses as grooming,

0:27:28 > 0:27:30and what is really racist paedophilia,

0:27:30 > 0:27:34has been going on in Keighley for at least ten years.

0:27:34 > 0:27:36But most of that time Ann Cryer's been in charge

0:27:36 > 0:27:39and she's turned a blind eye to the problem.

0:27:39 > 0:27:43All they wanted to do was to have confrontation...

0:27:44 > 0:27:50..and to demonstrate how virtuous they, the BNP, were.

0:27:50 > 0:27:51They did nothing.

0:27:51 > 0:27:53They did nothing to help.

0:27:53 > 0:27:57And nothing to assist either the white girls, or any other girl.

0:27:57 > 0:27:59It was just dreadful.

0:28:18 > 0:28:21- NEWS REPORT:- The leader of the British National Party, Nick Griffin,

0:28:21 > 0:28:24'has been arrested on suspicion of incitement to commit racial hatred.

0:28:24 > 0:28:28'He was recorded on tape saying that Islam was a vicious, wicked faith,

0:28:28 > 0:28:31'and warning supporters to stand up to Muslims.

0:28:31 > 0:28:35'Police insist it is a coincidence that the BNP leader had to come here

0:28:35 > 0:28:38'to be charged the day after a general election was called.

0:28:38 > 0:28:40'The British National Party, though,

0:28:40 > 0:28:42'were determined to make the most of the timing.'

0:28:42 > 0:28:45One of the speeches for which I'm accused of inciting racial hatred

0:28:45 > 0:28:50was talking about the endemic problem of heroin

0:28:50 > 0:28:52and grooming of young girls.

0:28:52 > 0:28:55I think it's very important that these issues are got out and are

0:28:55 > 0:28:58discussed. I will keep on telling the truth.

0:28:58 > 0:29:00My colleagues in the British National Party

0:29:00 > 0:29:02will keep on telling the truth.

0:29:02 > 0:29:06And however many of us they jail, however long they jail us,

0:29:06 > 0:29:08we will keep on telling the truth until the truth prevails.

0:29:11 > 0:29:12I never thought he would win,

0:29:12 > 0:29:15but I felt that it was going to do a great deal of damage

0:29:15 > 0:29:19to race relations. Working-class people on a small estate

0:29:19 > 0:29:22were being indoctrinated by these racist lies.

0:29:24 > 0:29:27Knocking on a door near you, the British National Party,

0:29:27 > 0:29:30branded extremists by their opponents,

0:29:30 > 0:29:33the party says it's gathering support, nonetheless.

0:29:33 > 0:29:38The senior police officer in charge said the parents of girls

0:29:38 > 0:29:41who are being groomed for illegal underage sex

0:29:41 > 0:29:45by Muslim paedophiles...

0:29:46 > 0:29:50He said, get used to it, there's nothing we can do.

0:29:50 > 0:29:51It's a fact of life.

0:29:56 > 0:30:00The police knew about it, but nothing ever, ever got done.

0:30:01 > 0:30:04You know, a few times the police have turned up at a house

0:30:04 > 0:30:07where we've all been drinking. And, you know, I've been upset,

0:30:07 > 0:30:08saying things have happened.

0:30:08 > 0:30:11They don't really listen. I'm crying to the police,

0:30:11 > 0:30:14but you've got all the men stood there and they're all just saying,

0:30:14 > 0:30:15ignore her, she's drunk.

0:30:18 > 0:30:21I'm crying, I'm screaming, I was upset, I was hurt,

0:30:21 > 0:30:23and the police are like...

0:30:23 > 0:30:24'Oi, enough is enough.'

0:30:25 > 0:30:28Then you're the one who gets arrested when all you're doing

0:30:28 > 0:30:30is crying out for a bit of help.

0:30:36 > 0:30:41The BNP didn't win in Keighley or anywhere else across the country.

0:30:41 > 0:30:43But their vote increased fourfold.

0:30:44 > 0:30:47The party had exploited an underlying anxiety

0:30:47 > 0:30:50about multicultural Britain,

0:30:50 > 0:30:54an anxiety that was to boil over in the summer of 2005.

0:30:55 > 0:30:58There were four explosions bringing chaos to parts of the capital.

0:30:58 > 0:31:01Terror bombs explode across London.

0:31:01 > 0:31:06And inside, page after page of harrowing personal stories.

0:31:08 > 0:31:11While the first bomb was on a tube train

0:31:11 > 0:31:13between Liverpool Street and Moorgate...

0:31:13 > 0:31:16Within days, three of the four bombers were identified

0:31:16 > 0:31:18as British-born Muslims.

0:31:19 > 0:31:21In the Asian community,

0:31:21 > 0:31:24there were fears that the entire community would be made scapegoats.

0:31:26 > 0:31:30As a white male in this country, have you ever felt under suspicion?

0:31:30 > 0:31:33Have you ever been made to feel uncomfortable in your own country?

0:31:33 > 0:31:36Have you ever been made to feel uncomfortable in your own skin?

0:31:36 > 0:31:40Rising Islamophobia, which the far right was helping to stoke,

0:31:40 > 0:31:43meant the police faced a difficult challenge.

0:31:45 > 0:31:48They carried out raids and increased surveillance to try and root out

0:31:48 > 0:31:51terror cells. At the same time,

0:31:51 > 0:31:55they had to maintain social cohesion and make sure any action they took

0:31:55 > 0:31:57wasn't perceived as racist.

0:31:58 > 0:32:03Operation Augusta was a full on major incident team investigation

0:32:03 > 0:32:08when I went off work. I came back to work in September,

0:32:08 > 0:32:10and the job had died a death.

0:32:10 > 0:32:12It had just gone.

0:32:12 > 0:32:14Fizzled out, shut down.

0:32:14 > 0:32:16I couldn't believe it.

0:32:16 > 0:32:18I was incredulous.

0:32:18 > 0:32:22This was systematic, organised sexual abuse.

0:32:22 > 0:32:25They weren't just picking one child out of the ether,

0:32:25 > 0:32:28these were groups of children that they were being targeted,

0:32:28 > 0:32:30and it was like a production line.

0:32:30 > 0:32:32You know, one and then another.

0:32:32 > 0:32:35So what was happening to all these children now?

0:32:35 > 0:32:38Who was dealing with this kind of crime?

0:32:38 > 0:32:40Nobody. It was being buried.

0:32:46 > 0:32:49With the authorities' attention elsewhere,

0:32:49 > 0:32:51most of the world remained oblivious to the abuse.

0:32:53 > 0:32:56But rumblings about it continued,

0:32:56 > 0:32:58and reached at least one prominent member

0:32:58 > 0:33:00of the local Pakistani community.

0:33:02 > 0:33:04It was a month of fasting, Ramadan.

0:33:04 > 0:33:07I'd gone to a friend's for prayers and breaking our fast.

0:33:10 > 0:33:11He was a taxi driver.

0:33:11 > 0:33:16He told me about rumours that were going on of taxi drivers

0:33:16 > 0:33:20who were sharing young teenage girls in Rochdale.

0:33:20 > 0:33:21That's all he told me.

0:33:24 > 0:33:26I heard those rumours again and again

0:33:26 > 0:33:27and I was trying to understand,

0:33:27 > 0:33:30what were the implications if this had been going on?

0:33:32 > 0:33:34I'm a Muslim, proud British Muslim.

0:33:34 > 0:33:37I came up and grew up in this country.

0:33:37 > 0:33:41There is nothing, absolutely nothing, in my faith, Islam,

0:33:41 > 0:33:44that justifies these type of despicable and evil crimes.

0:33:46 > 0:33:51I wanted to talk to people and try to find out what was going on.

0:33:51 > 0:33:55Nobody in the Pakistani community wanted to talk about these issues.

0:33:55 > 0:33:57Nobody seemed to want to help.

0:33:59 > 0:34:02Many people were coming to me and saying to me, "Oh yes, well,

0:34:02 > 0:34:04"this is what the BNP were doing in Bradford,

0:34:04 > 0:34:06"this is what the BNP were doing in Keighley,

0:34:06 > 0:34:08"this is all a far-right conspiracy

0:34:08 > 0:34:10"about demonising minority communities."

0:34:10 > 0:34:14In my mind, it was our silence that was allowing the BNP

0:34:14 > 0:34:15to campaign on this issue.

0:34:24 > 0:34:26I felt totally alone.

0:34:26 > 0:34:27There was no one to help me.

0:34:27 > 0:34:29No one who would listen.

0:34:29 > 0:34:30So it just went on.

0:34:35 > 0:34:36One time I was at a house in Oldham.

0:34:37 > 0:34:40I was drinking. I was doing speed.

0:34:42 > 0:34:44I was just getting off my trolley.

0:34:44 > 0:34:47I didn't think anything of it.

0:34:47 > 0:34:49I was just generally having a good time.

0:34:51 > 0:34:53When I came round I didn't know where I was.

0:34:54 > 0:34:55I just couldn't move.

0:34:56 > 0:34:58I was on a single bed.

0:34:58 > 0:34:59There was a double bed next to me.

0:35:01 > 0:35:03There were just men coming in and out.

0:35:03 > 0:35:06Just seemed like one after another.

0:35:06 > 0:35:07They were all laughing and joking,

0:35:07 > 0:35:10pleasing themselves with my useless body that I couldn't move.

0:35:13 > 0:35:15It kept getting light and then dark.

0:35:15 > 0:35:18I could see what was going on, I could feel what was going on.

0:35:19 > 0:35:22There was a couple of guys that came in with another girl.

0:35:23 > 0:35:25She done it willingly.

0:35:25 > 0:35:27She just turned round and looked at me and went,

0:35:27 > 0:35:29"You'll get used to it.

0:35:29 > 0:35:30"We all do."

0:35:40 > 0:35:44In August 2008, Greater Manchester Police received a call

0:35:44 > 0:35:46from a kebab shop.

0:35:46 > 0:35:50A drunk teenage girl had kicked off and was smashing the glass counter.

0:35:50 > 0:35:52Standard fare for a Friday night.

0:35:54 > 0:35:58Known as Girl A, her case would, in time, become a crucial step

0:35:58 > 0:36:00in bringing on-street grooming out into the open.

0:36:06 > 0:36:08We got a phone call from the police.

0:36:09 > 0:36:13Asked us as a responsible adult, or parent, or whatever,

0:36:13 > 0:36:16to come down to the police station.

0:36:16 > 0:36:19I thought to myself, "Oh no, not again."

0:36:19 > 0:36:21"What's she done this time?"

0:36:22 > 0:36:24"What hell has she raised today?"

0:36:26 > 0:36:30I went to the police station. She was agitated and very upset.

0:36:30 > 0:36:33She also seemed to be withdrawn at the same time.

0:36:33 > 0:36:37She, you could see that she was clearly... was hiding something.

0:36:40 > 0:36:43She didn't want to say something.

0:36:43 > 0:36:47But, you know, after I spoke to her and said,

0:36:47 > 0:36:51"Look, what's going on, what's the matter?",

0:36:51 > 0:36:55she told them that she'd been raped several times.

0:36:56 > 0:37:01The policeman, he took it down and said, "For what it's worth,

0:37:01 > 0:37:03"I believe you.

0:37:03 > 0:37:05"We've heard of this before, and I believe you."

0:37:11 > 0:37:14I was totally, totally in shock.

0:37:16 > 0:37:19There's no other way to describe it.

0:37:22 > 0:37:25You're a father, you're supposed to look after your children.

0:37:26 > 0:37:28You know, it's your job,

0:37:28 > 0:37:31it's your duty to look after your children and protect them.

0:37:32 > 0:37:35I tried, and I failed.

0:37:39 > 0:37:43Girl A was one of the dozens of girls the CIT team had identified

0:37:43 > 0:37:47as victims of abuse in the four years it had been open.

0:37:48 > 0:37:51Details of all the assaults had been passed to police

0:37:51 > 0:37:52and social services.

0:37:52 > 0:37:55Yet it seemed no action had been taken.

0:37:57 > 0:38:02We wrote everything down, everything down that a girl had said to us.

0:38:02 > 0:38:06It was just a very practical work situation,

0:38:06 > 0:38:09but eventually we had two filing cabinets full

0:38:09 > 0:38:13of case files of young people who, at some point,

0:38:13 > 0:38:15we had identified as being abused.

0:38:18 > 0:38:22Different girls were naming different people

0:38:22 > 0:38:26they were involved with, different abusers.

0:38:26 > 0:38:30Often girls would say, that's a friend of somebody.

0:38:30 > 0:38:33Or he hangs around with that person.

0:38:35 > 0:38:40The easiest way to collate that information was to write those names

0:38:40 > 0:38:44into a book. In the office, we just called it the boyfriend book.

0:38:45 > 0:38:49If there was a name beginning with A, we would write A.

0:38:50 > 0:38:52Ahmed. Age.

0:38:52 > 0:38:57Any detail about a car, any detail about who they were associated with.

0:38:57 > 0:39:02And then at any point in the future, if another girl talked about Ahmed,

0:39:02 > 0:39:05we were able to see, there was Ahmed and he was cross-referenced

0:39:05 > 0:39:07in somebody else's notes.

0:39:11 > 0:39:16What became really clear was that the abuse went in waves.

0:39:16 > 0:39:21There was a big group of girls really early on around 2003, 2004.

0:39:21 > 0:39:24And we realised that one was associated with that one,

0:39:24 > 0:39:26who was associated with another one,

0:39:26 > 0:39:30and then names of boyfriends started to be really familiar.

0:39:31 > 0:39:34And then suddenly there was a totally separate,

0:39:34 > 0:39:38younger group of girls, all of them interconnected,

0:39:38 > 0:39:42all of them experiencing the same kind of abuse.

0:39:44 > 0:39:47We were then able to do a kind of spider diagram.

0:39:50 > 0:39:52That girl was associated with that girl,

0:39:52 > 0:39:56who was associated with that boy, who all knew this other person.

0:39:58 > 0:40:01They'd all been associated with a blue Volkswagen.

0:40:01 > 0:40:05They'd all been to a warehouse somewhere.

0:40:07 > 0:40:08It was really naive,

0:40:08 > 0:40:11but we were able to map out who had been associated with who

0:40:11 > 0:40:13at different points.

0:40:24 > 0:40:27I put my faith and my trust in the police.

0:40:27 > 0:40:31And I said to my mates at the time, look, the police have arrested them,

0:40:31 > 0:40:35the police have charged them, justice will take its course.

0:40:35 > 0:40:38You know. Basically, and hopefully, they'll go to jail.

0:40:42 > 0:40:44A few months down the line,

0:40:44 > 0:40:47they decided that they weren't going to pursue it any more.

0:40:48 > 0:40:52I knew that knickers had been recovered,

0:40:52 > 0:40:55and I knew that DNA evidence had been recovered,

0:40:55 > 0:40:59and that basically the semen of one of these animals...

0:41:00 > 0:41:01..was in her knickers.

0:41:02 > 0:41:05It's a smoking gun. That's red-handed.

0:41:05 > 0:41:10Simple as that. And I don't think that any sane human being

0:41:10 > 0:41:12could disagree with me.

0:41:12 > 0:41:17How can, you know, how did your semen get there?

0:41:17 > 0:41:21It was the Crown Prosecution Service who dropped it,

0:41:21 > 0:41:25who said my daughter, she probably wouldn't be believed in court.

0:41:25 > 0:41:26She wasn't a credible witness.

0:41:28 > 0:41:30It's just ridiculous.

0:41:31 > 0:41:34You know, I know very well that there was an excellent case there.

0:41:36 > 0:41:38I was totally devastated.

0:41:40 > 0:41:42You can't be anything else.

0:41:42 > 0:41:46How... How on earth could this be allowed to happen?

0:41:47 > 0:41:51About three or four days after, a leaflet come through the door

0:41:51 > 0:41:56from the BNP. It said things that just made sense, really.

0:41:57 > 0:41:59I gave them a ring.

0:41:59 > 0:42:01A gentleman come out and, you know,

0:42:01 > 0:42:05I mean, I've said what happened to my daughter.

0:42:05 > 0:42:08And they, basically, said to me right away, you know,

0:42:08 > 0:42:10we know about this.

0:42:10 > 0:42:11They were listening to me.

0:42:11 > 0:42:13No one else had listened to me.

0:42:13 > 0:42:15But they even knew that was on about,

0:42:15 > 0:42:18and they knew entirely about the whole problem.

0:42:18 > 0:42:21Everyone else had said there isn't a problem.

0:42:21 > 0:42:24Or just denying it existed.

0:42:25 > 0:42:27Or, you can't say that, that's racist.

0:42:27 > 0:42:28I joined on the spot.

0:42:35 > 0:42:39I knew I was going to ruffle a few feathers and upset a few people.

0:42:40 > 0:42:42We live in a time of rising Islamophobia,

0:42:42 > 0:42:45rising bigotry towards immigrant communities in this country,

0:42:45 > 0:42:47and there were a lot of people saying,

0:42:47 > 0:42:50it's best to just leave this particular issue alone.

0:42:52 > 0:42:55I got told I was bringing, you know, the community down,

0:42:55 > 0:42:57by talking about these issues.

0:42:57 > 0:42:58And they didn't want me to talk about this.

0:42:58 > 0:43:00Erase these issues.

0:43:00 > 0:43:02But, you know, let's change those white girls

0:43:02 > 0:43:04and replace them with Asian girls, Pakistani girls,

0:43:04 > 0:43:06what would our reaction be then?

0:43:06 > 0:43:08Would our imams remain silent?

0:43:08 > 0:43:10Would our community leaders bury their head in the sand,

0:43:10 > 0:43:12as we often did? I don't think they would.

0:43:17 > 0:43:20I live in a community, I have family in the community,

0:43:20 > 0:43:21so for me it was a real struggle,

0:43:21 > 0:43:25because I was somebody who championed the British Pakistani

0:43:25 > 0:43:29community, and suddenly I was then the person who was engaged

0:43:29 > 0:43:31in pointing the finger at my own community.

0:43:33 > 0:43:36I think all of us, either in the Pakistani community,

0:43:36 > 0:43:40the authorities, the council all turned a blind eye to it,

0:43:40 > 0:43:41complete silence.

0:43:49 > 0:43:51I was with these men in a house in Rochdale.

0:43:52 > 0:43:55I was already drunk, I was always drunk.

0:43:55 > 0:43:57There was, like, a lock on the door.

0:43:57 > 0:43:58And they locked it.

0:43:59 > 0:44:02They were just laughing at me because I was throwing up

0:44:02 > 0:44:04over the side of the bed.

0:44:04 > 0:44:06They thought it was highly hilarious.

0:44:09 > 0:44:13There was a guy with a razor blade come up to me and said,

0:44:13 > 0:44:16"I'm going to cut you. You want me to cut you?"

0:44:17 > 0:44:21The other guy came up to me and said, "Just lay down, lay down."

0:44:21 > 0:44:22And I did, thinking nothing of it.

0:44:25 > 0:44:28I was crying because I was being sick, and I hate being sick.

0:44:31 > 0:44:36The guy with the razor blade, he kept coming up to me with it,

0:44:36 > 0:44:39holding it by my throat, telling me he was going to slit my throat.

0:44:39 > 0:44:41He was laughing.

0:44:43 > 0:44:46One of them pulled my trousers down

0:44:46 > 0:44:51while I was in the middle of being sick and inserted himself

0:44:51 > 0:44:55while the guy with a razor blade had the razor up to my throat.

0:44:57 > 0:45:00The other guy was just stood there watching.

0:45:00 > 0:45:02And he said to the one with the razor blade,

0:45:02 > 0:45:03he said, "Just hold it there,"

0:45:03 > 0:45:06and he kept trying to put himself in my mouth.

0:45:10 > 0:45:14The whole time I had the guy at the bottom of the bed raping me.

0:45:20 > 0:45:23I actually thought I was going to get my throat slit.

0:45:47 > 0:45:51Seven years after shelving a potentially explosive story,

0:45:51 > 0:45:55journalist Andrew Norfolk found his conscience calling him.

0:45:57 > 0:46:01As the years went by, I had this very uncomfortable feeling

0:46:01 > 0:46:03I hadn't done my job.

0:46:05 > 0:46:08I was on a long weekend, I was driving up to Scotland.

0:46:08 > 0:46:11I had the radio on, a news item came on the BBC.

0:46:12 > 0:46:15- NEWS REPORT:- 'Greater Manchester Police have been describing

0:46:15 > 0:46:19'how a 14-year-old girl was forced to endure an absolutely horrifying

0:46:19 > 0:46:21'ordeal after being forced into prostitution.

0:46:21 > 0:46:25'The vulnerable teenager was targeted with vodka and cigarettes

0:46:25 > 0:46:27'after she was spotted wandering the streets,

0:46:27 > 0:46:30'before she was made to have sex with a string of men.'

0:46:30 > 0:46:31At no stage in the report

0:46:31 > 0:46:34had the names of the defendants been read out.

0:46:35 > 0:46:39I'm sitting in my car in the middle of nowhere and I'm thinking...

0:46:40 > 0:46:45..you've not heard a word about this case, until five minutes ago,

0:46:45 > 0:46:47and yet, with every fibre of my being...

0:46:49 > 0:46:54..I bet I do know something about those men, because I bet

0:46:54 > 0:46:56when I check it out, they're going to be Muslim names.

0:46:58 > 0:47:03So I got back, I looked it up, they were all Muslim names, Muslim men.

0:47:05 > 0:47:08I sat down that night and I wrote a very long e-mail to the news editor

0:47:08 > 0:47:11of The Times saying that I thought there was something

0:47:11 > 0:47:15really troubling going on here, that it wasn't being acknowledged,

0:47:15 > 0:47:18and that I needed some time to look into the story

0:47:18 > 0:47:22to see whether what I thought was a pattern was, indeed, a pattern.

0:47:32 > 0:47:34As Andrew set to work,

0:47:34 > 0:47:37demonstrations were sweeping across the country.

0:47:37 > 0:47:43Led by the emerging face of the far right, the English Defence League.

0:47:43 > 0:47:46CHANTING AND SHOUTING

0:47:50 > 0:47:54Its members were young, organised, and growing in numbers.

0:47:54 > 0:47:57And its marches often descended into violence.

0:47:58 > 0:48:02Gas grenades were thrown, police vehicles were vandalised.

0:48:02 > 0:48:04And the police themselves were attacked.

0:48:04 > 0:48:06The EDL's goal was to stem the growth of a faith

0:48:06 > 0:48:09that it believed was corrupting the country.

0:48:10 > 0:48:14And in the grooming of white children they saw not just a crime,

0:48:14 > 0:48:18but evidence of a broader Islamic agenda.

0:48:18 > 0:48:21Militant Muslim gangs taking liberties in our towns and cities.

0:48:21 > 0:48:25Taking liberties with non-Muslim youth, non-Muslim girls,

0:48:25 > 0:48:29raping, pimping, beating, abusing our whole system.

0:48:29 > 0:48:32As you can see behind me,

0:48:32 > 0:48:35there's a massive police presence in Bradford today.

0:48:38 > 0:48:40The squeamishness of the liberal establishment,

0:48:40 > 0:48:44and that includes the media, national politicians, police forces,

0:48:44 > 0:48:47social services, in actually confronting what was going on,

0:48:47 > 0:48:50left a void, and into that void marched the EDL

0:48:50 > 0:48:53to spread a completely poisoned, divisive agenda.

0:48:57 > 0:48:59It had become quite personal for me.

0:48:59 > 0:49:02There was a sense of actually reclaiming this story

0:49:02 > 0:49:05from the wrong agenda, the far-right agenda,

0:49:05 > 0:49:09and putting it squarely where it should have been all along.

0:49:12 > 0:49:14We used every bit of software we had to try to look back

0:49:14 > 0:49:18at every criminal court case that there had been in recent years

0:49:18 > 0:49:23in which two or more men had been convicted of sexual offences

0:49:23 > 0:49:25against girls who were aged 12-15,

0:49:25 > 0:49:29where the initial point of contact had been in a public place.

0:49:29 > 0:49:33Shopping mall, outside a bus station, train station, city centre,

0:49:33 > 0:49:34outside school gates.

0:49:35 > 0:49:40We needed to build that picture of all such cases,

0:49:40 > 0:49:42because if we were going to say what...

0:49:45 > 0:49:47..I sensed we might be going to say,

0:49:47 > 0:49:50which is that there is a specific pattern here involving men

0:49:50 > 0:49:53largely of the British Pakistani community committing offences

0:49:53 > 0:49:57against young white girls, we needed a rock-solid evidential base.

0:49:59 > 0:50:04That trawling process produced cases involving the conviction of 56 men.

0:50:04 > 0:50:08Of those 56 men, three of them were white British men.

0:50:09 > 0:50:1153 were Asian names.

0:50:11 > 0:50:1450 of the 53 were Muslim names.

0:50:14 > 0:50:16The vast majority were British Pakistani.

0:50:17 > 0:50:19This was a process being repeated.

0:50:19 > 0:50:22It was happening in Birmingham, it was happening in Bradford,

0:50:22 > 0:50:25it was happening in Manchester, it was happening in Burnley.

0:50:28 > 0:50:30How had this pattern developed?

0:50:30 > 0:50:33How had it developed apparently completely unseen

0:50:33 > 0:50:34by the authorities?

0:50:34 > 0:50:38How come every single aspect of the British establishment treated every

0:50:38 > 0:50:41single case that had cropped up as an isolated one-off case

0:50:41 > 0:50:43with no pattern whatsoever to any of the other cases

0:50:43 > 0:50:45that were so similar?

0:50:51 > 0:50:54The statistics were there.

0:50:54 > 0:50:58We needed to start talking to people about it

0:50:58 > 0:51:00and asking what's going on here.

0:51:00 > 0:51:03What do you think? What are you doing about it?

0:51:03 > 0:51:04What are you not doing about it?

0:51:06 > 0:51:09We went to police forces, we approached local authorities,

0:51:09 > 0:51:12we went to specialist charities, government departments.

0:51:14 > 0:51:16Nobody would speak about this.

0:51:27 > 0:51:29Unbeknownst to Andrew Norfolk,

0:51:29 > 0:51:33in December 2010, Greater Manchester Police had acted.

0:51:33 > 0:51:37They had launched an investigation, Operation Span,

0:51:37 > 0:51:39and had arrested nine men from Rochdale

0:51:39 > 0:51:42on suspicion of child sexual exploitation.

0:51:42 > 0:51:45DC Maggie Oliver, who, years earlier,

0:51:45 > 0:51:49had spent months investigating grooming was once again asked

0:51:49 > 0:51:54to play a key role to persuade child victims to provide evidence.

0:51:55 > 0:52:01My first response was, well, thanks very much but no thanks.

0:52:01 > 0:52:03I've been here before in Operation Augusta.

0:52:03 > 0:52:05I do not want to be in that position again.

0:52:07 > 0:52:11They produced various policy documents that I had never seen

0:52:11 > 0:52:14in my 16 years of service. 'Please look at these documents,

0:52:14 > 0:52:17'this is what we intend to do but we need you to, you know,

0:52:17 > 0:52:19'to bring these kids on board'.

0:52:21 > 0:52:23They documented in great detail

0:52:23 > 0:52:26how we were going to treat these victims.

0:52:31 > 0:52:34It was completely different from Augusta.

0:52:34 > 0:52:36That would never happen again.

0:52:36 > 0:52:40It was recognised that we'd failed and that shouldn't have happened.

0:52:43 > 0:52:47I thought, well, maybe Greater Manchester Police have learnt

0:52:47 > 0:52:52from what they failed to do back in 2004 and 2005.

0:52:52 > 0:52:55Maybe this is a chance to address this...

0:52:55 > 0:53:00erm, this crime, this on-street grooming, once and for all.

0:53:00 > 0:53:02And eventually I agreed that I would do my best.

0:53:06 > 0:53:10Four months into his investigation, and after countless dead ends,

0:53:10 > 0:53:13Andrew Norfolk finally found someone willing to talk to him

0:53:13 > 0:53:15on the record.

0:53:15 > 0:53:19A senior police officer heading a major investigation.

0:53:20 > 0:53:26He talked about having arrived in a new division and it was almost,

0:53:26 > 0:53:29he said, as though there was a box underneath the desk into which every

0:53:29 > 0:53:31case that was too difficult went.

0:53:31 > 0:53:36And there in that box was clear evidence over a period of years

0:53:36 > 0:53:39of what had been happening to girls in that town.

0:53:39 > 0:53:42And that was a town where basically the Pakistani community

0:53:42 > 0:53:44was four streets. It was tiny.

0:53:44 > 0:53:47And yet it was even a generational thing there,

0:53:47 > 0:53:50where you had fathers who had been doing this to the mothers

0:53:50 > 0:53:53of young girls who were now being groomed and abused

0:53:53 > 0:53:55by these men's sons.

0:53:55 > 0:53:58He spoke, he told me, to colleagues in the north-west of England.

0:53:58 > 0:54:00And he said a senior police officer in Lancashire said, "Listen,

0:54:00 > 0:54:02"don't turn that stone.

0:54:02 > 0:54:06"If you turn that stone, you have no idea what's going to come out."

0:54:12 > 0:54:15- NEWS REPORT:- Nine men were arrested just before Christmas

0:54:15 > 0:54:18over allegations of the sexual exploitation

0:54:18 > 0:54:20of teenage girls here in Rochdale.

0:54:20 > 0:54:23We understand that all the men are Asian,

0:54:23 > 0:54:25that they're aged between 20 and 40.

0:54:25 > 0:54:29We also understand that all the girls concerned are white.

0:54:29 > 0:54:32Now police are saying that these arrests were made

0:54:32 > 0:54:33on suspicion of rape...

0:54:33 > 0:54:36As the investigation continued,

0:54:36 > 0:54:39Maggie Oliver was charged with winning the trust of two sisters

0:54:39 > 0:54:41with a long history of abuse.

0:54:42 > 0:54:46Both had had repeated contacts with the police and social services

0:54:46 > 0:54:50over the years. She quickly discovered their abuse

0:54:50 > 0:54:53was not only well know, but well-documented.

0:54:54 > 0:54:57From reading social services' records,

0:54:57 > 0:55:02it was abundantly clear that mum had been asking for help

0:55:02 > 0:55:05from social services over a long period of time.

0:55:07 > 0:55:11These children were on the child protection register to be protected.

0:55:11 > 0:55:16The case conference notes themselves documented what mum was saying was

0:55:16 > 0:55:19happening to the children at the hands of these men.

0:55:20 > 0:55:24There were comments informing social workers that the children were being

0:55:24 > 0:55:26threatened at gunpoint,

0:55:26 > 0:55:29somebody had threatened to kill them if they went to the police.

0:55:31 > 0:55:34Mum, she got really irate, stood up and shouted,

0:55:34 > 0:55:36"What are you doing about these Pakis?"

0:55:36 > 0:55:39Now, that's not my language, that's her language.

0:55:41 > 0:55:45But they saw fit to throw her out of the meeting and at the same time did

0:55:45 > 0:55:47nothing about the abuse that she suspected was happening.

0:55:49 > 0:55:51The reality was, she was telling them the truth.

0:55:55 > 0:55:57There's part of that reading,

0:55:57 > 0:56:02it became apparent to me that there was another team

0:56:02 > 0:56:06employed by Rochdale social services called Crisis Intervention Team.

0:56:06 > 0:56:12And they were the team that the children were visiting regularly.

0:56:12 > 0:56:15Until that time, nobody had been aware that they'd existed.

0:56:15 > 0:56:17We needed those files.

0:56:19 > 0:56:23The Crisis Intervention Team handed the police thousands of documents,

0:56:23 > 0:56:27detailing over 100 assaults from the eight years they'd been open.

0:56:34 > 0:56:39It would have been easy for those who make the decisions on The Times

0:56:39 > 0:56:41to decide that, no matter how horrific,

0:56:41 > 0:56:44this is a story that needed to be put somewhere

0:56:44 > 0:56:45other than the front page.

0:56:46 > 0:56:50But in the end, the reverse was decided.

0:56:50 > 0:56:53It was that this was a story so horrific and so controversial

0:56:53 > 0:56:57in terms of what we were going to be saying that the only place

0:56:57 > 0:56:59to put it was on the front page.

0:56:59 > 0:57:01And the lead in the Times, says,

0:57:01 > 0:57:03there's a culture of silence that has facilitated

0:57:03 > 0:57:05the sexual exploitation of hundreds of young British girls

0:57:05 > 0:57:08by criminal pimping gangs, a pattern of abuse across the north...

0:57:08 > 0:57:12Sexually exploited in every British city and town.

0:57:12 > 0:57:16We had a huge graphic inside showing different areas of the country where

0:57:16 > 0:57:18such crimes had been committed.

0:57:18 > 0:57:21There are calls for a nationwide investigation into the grooming and

0:57:21 > 0:57:23sexual abuse of vulnerable teenage girls.

0:57:23 > 0:57:26Within a couple of days, the government had ordered the first

0:57:26 > 0:57:29of what turned out to be two national inquiries.

0:57:29 > 0:57:32These young men are in a western society,

0:57:32 > 0:57:35they are fizzing and popping with testosterone,

0:57:35 > 0:57:40they want some outlet for that and they see these young women,

0:57:40 > 0:57:44white girls who are vulnerable, who they think are easy meat.

0:57:44 > 0:57:46'Jack Straw's comments on the racial background of men

0:57:46 > 0:57:48'found guilty of grooming young girls for sex...

0:57:48 > 0:57:51'..controversy surrounding the former Home Secretary Jack Straw...

0:57:51 > 0:57:54'..held up as evidence that Asian gangs, specifically Pakistani men,

0:57:54 > 0:57:58'represent a particular threat to young British girls today,

0:57:58 > 0:58:00'which is not being confronted...'

0:58:00 > 0:58:04It's much more comfortable in a society which,

0:58:04 > 0:58:09most of the people living there, like, for example me,

0:58:09 > 0:58:13all we want to do is be able to have people rubbing along together and

0:58:13 > 0:58:15communities rubbing along together, and...

0:58:18 > 0:58:20..raising an issue like this doesn't make it easy

0:58:20 > 0:58:22because it asks hard questions.

0:58:22 > 0:58:25'If you really want sex, there's prostitutes who are doing it.

0:58:25 > 0:58:27'Why target vulnerable girls?

0:58:27 > 0:58:29'They haven't got no morals, they're monsters.

0:58:29 > 0:58:30'It's just, it's just terrible.

0:58:30 > 0:58:33'If you're like for Pakistani or something like

0:58:33 > 0:58:35'you should be ashamed.'

0:58:35 > 0:58:39Andrew had the statistics, this was hard facts about court cases,

0:58:39 > 0:58:41people who'd been convicted of crimes.

0:58:41 > 0:58:43Not people accused of crimes, but people convicted.

0:58:45 > 0:58:47The evidence is compelling.

0:58:47 > 0:58:49There is a very small minority of people within

0:58:49 > 0:58:52the Pakistani community who are engaged in the phenomenon

0:58:52 > 0:58:54of on-street gang grooming.

0:58:54 > 0:58:57There's an overrepresentation of British Pakistanis in those types of

0:58:57 > 0:59:00crimes and we've got to confront it.

0:59:02 > 0:59:06I did a piece for the times, I wanted a reaction.

0:59:06 > 0:59:08I wanted people in the Pakistani community,

0:59:08 > 0:59:09I wanted people in wider society,

0:59:09 > 0:59:11whether it's the police, the politicians,

0:59:11 > 0:59:12to actually debate this issue.

0:59:12 > 0:59:15'The vast majority of paedophiles and people who are abusing children

0:59:15 > 0:59:17'are not of Pakistani origin.'

0:59:17 > 0:59:20'They should be respected, no matter what background they come from

0:59:20 > 0:59:23'or what religion, you have to respect each other.'

0:59:23 > 0:59:24'Bringing culture and race into these issues,

0:59:24 > 0:59:27it plays into the hands of extremists who are looking

0:59:27 > 0:59:28for an opportunity to stoke the fires

0:59:28 > 0:59:30'of discordance between communities'.

0:59:30 > 0:59:32Talking about these girls like they're statistics.

0:59:32 > 0:59:34They're not statistics. These girls are, well,

0:59:34 > 0:59:37whose daughters do you think these are? Whose sisters? They're ours.

0:59:37 > 0:59:39In working-class towns and communities.

0:59:39 > 0:59:41And people are fed up of what's going on.

0:59:41 > 0:59:44And it is being ignored. They're 15-year-old girls that you know,

0:59:44 > 0:59:46that you've grown up with, that have been raped or pimped, you don't,

0:59:46 > 0:59:48so I don't expect you to understand...

0:59:48 > 0:59:50These are all personal issues of yours?

0:59:50 > 0:59:52Personal issues in towns and cities like mine.

0:59:52 > 0:59:55'Can't sweep things under the carpet in Britain

0:59:55 > 0:59:56'just because we don't like them.

0:59:56 > 0:59:59'I'd rather talk about 2010 than talk about

0:59:59 > 1:00:00'what has been going on in 2003.

1:00:00 > 1:00:03'And, actually, you should be commending the communities...'

1:00:06 > 1:00:11In May 2011, a new chief prosecutor for the north west of England

1:00:11 > 1:00:12took office.

1:00:12 > 1:00:15He was Muslim, British Pakistani,

1:00:15 > 1:00:18and had a track record of taking on culturally sensitive cases.

1:00:20 > 1:00:22Having read the Times' expose,

1:00:22 > 1:00:26he asked his staff if there were any potential grooming cases.

1:00:26 > 1:00:30Among the files he was presented was one on Girl A,

1:00:30 > 1:00:33the teenager from the takeaway two years earlier

1:00:33 > 1:00:37whom the Crown Prosecution had deemed an unreliable witness.

1:00:38 > 1:00:41The thing that struck me most, these are still children.

1:00:41 > 1:00:44You know, I have children of my own,

1:00:44 > 1:00:48and just because you're 14 or 15, you can't make informed choices.

1:00:48 > 1:00:54And the perpetrators were in their 40s, 50s, you know, my age,

1:00:54 > 1:00:55who clearly knew better.

1:00:56 > 1:00:59When I read the prosecutor's advice to the officers

1:00:59 > 1:01:02in the earlier investigation, things like,

1:01:02 > 1:01:05"She has made a choice about her life,"

1:01:05 > 1:01:11you know, "she has agreed to be, in effect, a prostitute for these men."

1:01:12 > 1:01:15Everything about it shocked me, to be blunt.

1:01:15 > 1:01:21Because what groomers do, what perpetrators do, is manipulate.

1:01:21 > 1:01:26And the fact that she was chaotic and troubled was actually the reason

1:01:26 > 1:01:28why she was targeted.

1:01:28 > 1:01:32Because the perpetrator knew that nobody would believe her.

1:01:33 > 1:01:38I was absolutely certain in my mind that the decision taken in this case

1:01:38 > 1:01:40was wrong. It wasn't just unreasonable,

1:01:40 > 1:01:44which is the legal test, it was wrong.

1:01:44 > 1:01:48And if it was wrong, to maintain public confidence,

1:01:48 > 1:01:50I had to reverse that decision and so I did.

1:01:53 > 1:01:56Nazir Afzal instructed Greater Manchester Police

1:01:56 > 1:01:58to build a case around Girl A.

1:01:58 > 1:02:03Officers began by focusing on other girls abused by the same men,

1:02:03 > 1:02:08and invited Sara Rowbotham and her team to police headquarters to help.

1:02:10 > 1:02:16The room was set up with images of victims down one side of the room

1:02:16 > 1:02:20and images of perpetrators down the other side of the room.

1:02:23 > 1:02:27Me and my staff had not really ever seen the perpetrators

1:02:27 > 1:02:32and yet there they were, the nicknames associated with an image.

1:02:34 > 1:02:37And, of course, we knew the crimes that they'd committed.

1:02:37 > 1:02:38We knew what they'd done.

1:02:43 > 1:02:47There is no one size fits all when it comes to a perpetrator.

1:02:47 > 1:02:51However, all of these men either worked in the night-time economies

1:02:51 > 1:02:54as taxi drivers, takeaway restaurants,

1:02:54 > 1:02:56or they were solid members of the community.

1:02:57 > 1:03:00Pretty much all employed, well-known to each other.

1:03:01 > 1:03:05They all had marriages, they were all in relationships,

1:03:05 > 1:03:07many of them had children.

1:03:07 > 1:03:10Outwardly were family men.

1:03:10 > 1:03:13They worked hard. They worked long hours,

1:03:13 > 1:03:18and they broke that up with the sexual abuse of children,

1:03:18 > 1:03:22which, to them, was downtime.

1:03:25 > 1:03:30Most of the victims were traumatised from years of abuse by numerous men.

1:03:31 > 1:03:34They knew their accounts had been passed to authorities

1:03:34 > 1:03:36but been met with total silence.

1:03:38 > 1:03:41Now the police were asking them to co-operate

1:03:41 > 1:03:44and to drag up their painful past.

1:03:46 > 1:03:47The police come round.

1:03:47 > 1:03:50They was asking me a lot of difficult questions.

1:03:50 > 1:03:53I remember thinking, why are they asking me this now,

1:03:53 > 1:03:54why couldn't they ask me years ago?

1:03:56 > 1:03:58I'd been arrested with Asians.

1:03:58 > 1:03:59My dad has reported me missing.

1:03:59 > 1:04:01Why did they never ask me questions or anything?

1:04:01 > 1:04:05Back then they could have had loads of evidence.

1:04:05 > 1:04:07They could have got a file together.

1:04:07 > 1:04:10I stopped and said, I can't do it, and just walked.

1:04:10 > 1:04:13I thought, you didn't help me in the past, well,

1:04:13 > 1:04:15I'm not going to help you now.

1:04:16 > 1:04:18There was a lot of pressure from the police.

1:04:18 > 1:04:21It was like, you'll help us so much.

1:04:21 > 1:04:24I trusted them. Gave them the names of the people that had done stuff to

1:04:24 > 1:04:27me and I told them all about me.

1:04:27 > 1:04:28It was like a sigh of relief.

1:04:28 > 1:04:31Like, thinking, at least something is going to happen now.

1:04:34 > 1:04:36At first I said no.

1:04:36 > 1:04:38I didn't want to talk to the police.

1:04:38 > 1:04:41They just kept saying, "Look, it's not your fault,

1:04:41 > 1:04:42"it's not your fault".

1:04:43 > 1:04:46In the end I started a load of interviews.

1:04:46 > 1:04:50I told the police about when I got locked in the flat,

1:04:50 > 1:04:51the razor blade incident.

1:04:52 > 1:04:54I gave the police names.

1:04:54 > 1:04:57Any clothes that I could remember that I'd worn.

1:04:57 > 1:05:00I gave, like, as much detail as I possibly could.

1:05:01 > 1:05:05In the end, I'd done something like 29 hours' worth of interviews.

1:05:11 > 1:05:14As dozens of officers worked to build a case,

1:05:14 > 1:05:18one of the sisters who Maggie Oliver worked with remained tight-lipped.

1:05:19 > 1:05:22It took months before she finally opened up.

1:05:24 > 1:05:27She told me what had happened to them.

1:05:27 > 1:05:30Tiny details of her worst nightmares.

1:05:31 > 1:05:33She took me on a drive around,

1:05:33 > 1:05:37showed me locations where the abuse had happened, onto the moors,

1:05:37 > 1:05:39into really remote places.

1:05:40 > 1:05:43There were no houses around, there were no lights.

1:05:43 > 1:05:45Children up there would not be seen by anybody.

1:05:47 > 1:05:48To think of being up there, drunk,

1:05:48 > 1:05:52on your own with a man who is three times your age,

1:05:52 > 1:05:53was actually really scary.

1:05:55 > 1:05:58When one of those children tells me what's happened,

1:05:58 > 1:06:00they're putting their faith in you.

1:06:00 > 1:06:02They are reliving all that abuse.

1:06:02 > 1:06:07They are talking about it in the most horrific detail.

1:06:12 > 1:06:14I was 14 when the abuse started.

1:06:15 > 1:06:18It went on between three and four years.

1:06:20 > 1:06:25I was raped by about 50 men.

1:06:25 > 1:06:29Maybe more, I've lost count, it happened that many times.

1:06:31 > 1:06:34I felt ashamed that I'd had sex with so many older men.

1:06:34 > 1:06:35Disgusted in myself, really.

1:06:39 > 1:06:43I kept it in a box, you know, locked away in my head.

1:06:44 > 1:06:47To open that box and tell Maggie everything that happened

1:06:47 > 1:06:48was really hard.

1:06:51 > 1:06:55Her account was added to what was countless hours of evidence

1:06:55 > 1:06:56from other victims.

1:06:59 > 1:07:02As prosecutors pored through multiple ID parades,

1:07:02 > 1:07:05drive-throughs and physical evidence,

1:07:05 > 1:07:08it became clear how difficult the case would be to win,

1:07:08 > 1:07:11and that not all the victims could be called as witnesses.

1:07:13 > 1:07:17I was told at four o'clock on a Friday afternoon that the police

1:07:17 > 1:07:21were no longer, and I quote, going to "use" this girl.

1:07:22 > 1:07:26And I...was... I couldn't believe it.

1:07:26 > 1:07:31I had put my heart and soul into bringing these children on board,

1:07:31 > 1:07:34on absolute guarantees and assurances

1:07:34 > 1:07:38that there would not be a repeat of what happened in Operation Augusta.

1:07:38 > 1:07:42And here I was back in the same place, but on this occasion,

1:07:42 > 1:07:46it wasn't just one interview that this child had given,

1:07:46 > 1:07:48it was six months of her life.

1:07:48 > 1:07:52I felt it was immoral, inhuman, unprofessional.

1:07:52 > 1:07:54I couldn't believe it.

1:08:05 > 1:08:07I thought the defence's strategy was going to be,

1:08:07 > 1:08:09say these girls are lying,

1:08:09 > 1:08:12how can you believe them because of their drug-taking

1:08:12 > 1:08:15and their criminal records, or whatever.

1:08:19 > 1:08:22I had to select the strongest victims to ensure

1:08:22 > 1:08:27that the one opportunity that we had to try this case was taken.

1:08:27 > 1:08:31I knew that they were going to be cross-examined in the courtroom

1:08:31 > 1:08:33up to 11 times, each of them.

1:08:33 > 1:08:38Being cross examined once is extremely traumatic and 11 times,

1:08:38 > 1:08:41about some of the most intimate things that could happen to you,

1:08:41 > 1:08:44or have happened to you, I knew that they had to be really strong.

1:08:44 > 1:08:46I had to make a judgment about how many of them

1:08:46 > 1:08:48we were going to rely upon.

1:08:48 > 1:08:51Six girls were chosen to testify.

1:08:52 > 1:08:56Their graphic accounts of assault under the noses of the authorities

1:08:56 > 1:09:00would finally push the grooming story onto the front pages.

1:09:06 > 1:09:10- NEWS REPORT:- Even before it started, this case attracted

1:09:10 > 1:09:11hundreds of protesters.

1:09:11 > 1:09:14With 11 men on trial, most of them taxi drivers...

1:09:14 > 1:09:18There was a huge policing operation to try to protect

1:09:18 > 1:09:21the integrity of the case.

1:09:21 > 1:09:25Police officers on horses, protesters from the far right,

1:09:25 > 1:09:28massed ranks of police officers,

1:09:28 > 1:09:30almost every media organisation in the country

1:09:30 > 1:09:34that has a national focus was there for the opening of that trial.

1:09:34 > 1:09:3711 men have gone on trial charged with grooming

1:09:37 > 1:09:39and sexually exploiting girls as young as 13.

1:09:39 > 1:09:43The Asian men, described as being predatory sex offenders...

1:09:43 > 1:09:45These are some of the 11 men

1:09:45 > 1:09:47who are facing trial at Liverpool Crown Court.

1:09:47 > 1:09:50All the defendants are of Asian heritage

1:09:50 > 1:09:53and aged between 22 and 59.

1:09:53 > 1:09:56They face a total of 22 counts including sexual assault,

1:09:56 > 1:09:58rape and trafficking.

1:09:58 > 1:10:00They are said to have passed girls between themselves,

1:10:00 > 1:10:02then passed them on to friends and associates.

1:10:02 > 1:10:05And if they think it's OK in Pakistan,

1:10:05 > 1:10:07they can go back to Pakistan.

1:10:07 > 1:10:09If it's OK in Albania, go back to Albania.

1:10:09 > 1:10:11But don't do it here in our country.

1:10:13 > 1:10:15Everyone was talking about it.

1:10:15 > 1:10:17It was all over social media,

1:10:17 > 1:10:20and I was like slap, bang, right in the middle of it.

1:10:20 > 1:10:22I was so scared. And now I've got to go and stand up in court

1:10:22 > 1:10:25in front of all these people.

1:10:25 > 1:10:29PROTESTER: Off our streets! Paedophile scum!

1:10:29 > 1:10:33Off our streets! Paedo scum! Off our streets!

1:10:33 > 1:10:35It was hard, I was young.

1:10:35 > 1:10:38I'd just had a kid and I had no family to come with me.

1:10:38 > 1:10:41I had my daughter in a car seat in the court.

1:10:42 > 1:10:44One of the ushers looked after my daughter,

1:10:44 > 1:10:47so it was literally me, in the middle of the court, on my own.

1:10:49 > 1:10:51As I was telling what happened to Girl A

1:10:51 > 1:10:55I was just reliving the stories that I'd been through as well.

1:10:56 > 1:10:58As I was telling it, I was kind of breaking down

1:10:58 > 1:11:00and I started crying in court.

1:11:00 > 1:11:03And I had the whole of the jury sat there crying with me.

1:11:05 > 1:11:07What else can you tell us about the victims?

1:11:07 > 1:11:09Well, there were five of them,

1:11:09 > 1:11:13the youngest was aged just 13 and she in fact became pregnant.

1:11:13 > 1:11:16These are girls from troubled backgrounds.

1:11:16 > 1:11:20They were initially flattered by the compliments of these men,

1:11:20 > 1:11:22then she became scared, and then in her words,

1:11:22 > 1:11:25after that it just didn't bother her any more.

1:11:25 > 1:11:28Some lines that those girls used, chilling.

1:11:30 > 1:11:33The girl who had first met her boyfriend, as she called him,

1:11:33 > 1:11:37he was a married man in his 40s when she was 12, she'd got pregnant,

1:11:37 > 1:11:39she'd had an abortion at 13.

1:11:39 > 1:11:45"You'd meet one..." she used the adjective 'Paki' to describe...

1:11:45 > 1:11:47the men,

1:11:47 > 1:11:50"meet one Paki, within ten days,

1:11:50 > 1:11:53"you'd got ten...Pakis in your phone book."

1:11:55 > 1:11:59"Within a few weeks, you've got a whole phone book full of Pakis."

1:11:59 > 1:12:01And she would be rung up by randomers,

1:12:01 > 1:12:02men she didn't know at all.

1:12:02 > 1:12:05She would go and stand in a car park in the middle of Haywood

1:12:05 > 1:12:09and wait to be collected, taken to an address she didn't know,

1:12:09 > 1:12:14plied with alcohol, and then passed around for sex.

1:12:14 > 1:12:17And she thought these guys were kind

1:12:17 > 1:12:19because they took an interest in her.

1:12:20 > 1:12:22- CHANTING:- Paedo scum!

1:12:22 > 1:12:24One of these men is alleged to have told the girl,

1:12:24 > 1:12:25"It's part of the deal.

1:12:25 > 1:12:29"Because I bought you vodka, you have to give me something."

1:12:29 > 1:12:33But she refused to have sex with him, and at that point

1:12:33 > 1:12:36the court was told, he raped her and told her,

1:12:36 > 1:12:38"Don't cry, I love you."

1:12:40 > 1:12:42I refused to go to the court.

1:12:44 > 1:12:46Said I'm only doing it through a video link.

1:12:49 > 1:12:51Hearing their names alone is enough.

1:12:52 > 1:12:55I wouldn't have been able to go to a courtroom.

1:13:05 > 1:13:08When it came to getting asked questions by the barristers,

1:13:08 > 1:13:10that was when I didn't want to be there.

1:13:12 > 1:13:18The names that they called me were worse than I was pre-warned.

1:13:19 > 1:13:23I was called a slut, that I had whored myself out for

1:13:23 > 1:13:24£10 per session.

1:13:27 > 1:13:29And they'd keep digging.

1:13:30 > 1:13:32I was screaming at them.

1:13:33 > 1:13:36Crying tears and then they'd carry on.

1:13:42 > 1:13:47Even the judge, I think it was on two occasions, had to say, "OK,

1:13:47 > 1:13:52"you need to tone it down a little bit," because it was disgusting.

1:13:59 > 1:14:01I certainly became aware of the cross examination

1:14:01 > 1:14:07of the main ringleader the moment when he decided to pull open

1:14:07 > 1:14:13his shirt and throw his hair into the courtroom to suggest that

1:14:13 > 1:14:15of course the victim would know that he had a hairy chest because all men

1:14:15 > 1:14:17have a hairy chest.

1:14:17 > 1:14:23Then he moved on to abuse white people, generally,

1:14:23 > 1:14:28to say that the reason why he had taken her in and, in effect,

1:14:28 > 1:14:31that she was accompanying him is because the white communities

1:14:31 > 1:14:34of this country had let her down.

1:14:34 > 1:14:39You, the white communities of this country, have neglected these girls.

1:14:39 > 1:14:41Is it no wonder that they come to us?

1:14:43 > 1:14:47It made it very clear to the jury that this was much more complicated

1:14:47 > 1:14:51than a straightforward he did or he didn't do it.

1:14:51 > 1:14:54He may have done it, as he suggested,

1:14:54 > 1:14:57but he seemed to have a reason for doing it,

1:14:57 > 1:15:02and, somehow, he wanted to blame the whole of British white community

1:15:02 > 1:15:04for allowing these young girls to be so vulnerable

1:15:04 > 1:15:07that they became available to him.

1:15:08 > 1:15:11It became very uncomfortable because he was absolutely right.

1:15:11 > 1:15:14Social services have let down these young girls.

1:15:14 > 1:15:17Police and prosecutors and every other justice agency

1:15:17 > 1:15:21have let down these young girls. Schools, health,

1:15:21 > 1:15:26every agency in this country has let down victims of sexual abuse,

1:15:26 > 1:15:30and particularly child victims of sexual abuse, over generations.

1:15:30 > 1:15:34And so he was saying something that was absolutely true,

1:15:34 > 1:15:37but it did not justify his abuse of her,

1:15:37 > 1:15:39which was what he was trying to do.

1:15:39 > 1:15:41He went on to describe one 15-year-old

1:15:41 > 1:15:44who he is accused of raping on a number of occasions

1:15:44 > 1:15:46as being loud and aggressive.

1:15:46 > 1:15:49He said she was a racist, even a prostitute.

1:15:49 > 1:15:51He said that she was like a bone in a kebab...

1:15:51 > 1:15:57It was, at times, unrelenting in terms of the sheer grimness of it.

1:15:59 > 1:16:06These were treated as consenting kids who were choosing

1:16:06 > 1:16:11to make money or have a bit of fun, as in, you know,

1:16:11 > 1:16:16somewhere to stay warm, somewhere to have free food, free booze.

1:16:16 > 1:16:21Choosing this lifestyle, and, you know...

1:16:23 > 1:16:25..who are we to stop them getting on with it?

1:16:28 > 1:16:32Tonight, after 11 weeks, the case which centres on Rochdale,

1:16:32 > 1:16:36involving the grooming and abuse of teenage girls has finally ended.

1:16:36 > 1:16:38..including rape and trafficking.

1:16:38 > 1:16:41The victims were girls, aged just 13...

1:16:41 > 1:16:45..said the victims chosen by these defendants, quote, were chosen

1:16:45 > 1:16:48because they were not of your community...

1:16:48 > 1:16:53I remember vividly the day the verdict came in and I remember

1:16:53 > 1:16:56sitting in my front room on my own...

1:16:57 > 1:17:00..watching Steve Heywood walk out onto the steps

1:17:00 > 1:17:01at Liverpool Crown Court

1:17:01 > 1:17:04and give a statement on behalf of Greater Manchester Police.

1:17:04 > 1:17:08OK. This has been a fantastic result for British justice.

1:17:10 > 1:17:14These victims have been through the most horrendous of crimes

1:17:14 > 1:17:18and I just want to commend their bravery in relation

1:17:18 > 1:17:20to the ordeal they've had to go through.

1:17:20 > 1:17:26These are the most vulnerable in our society and they've been preyed upon

1:17:26 > 1:17:28by adults who should know better.

1:17:29 > 1:17:33There were so many feelings going through me when I saw him on those

1:17:33 > 1:17:36steps, and it crystallised everything I was feeling

1:17:36 > 1:17:39about the whole on-street grooming.

1:17:39 > 1:17:42I would also like to thank my officers for the professionalism...

1:17:42 > 1:17:44He had been in charge of child protection

1:17:44 > 1:17:46at the time of Operation Augusta.

1:17:46 > 1:17:49He was the man I had face-to-face meetings with.

1:17:49 > 1:17:53He knew full well what on-street grooming was.

1:17:53 > 1:17:57You saw Victoria's photograph, you saw her letter,

1:17:57 > 1:18:01you knew that Operation Augusta was a live and running job,

1:18:01 > 1:18:05you knew what the offender profile was, you read my report,

1:18:05 > 1:18:09you were part of the officers who authorised it

1:18:09 > 1:18:12to go to the major incident team and you were one of the ones

1:18:12 > 1:18:13who dropped that job.

1:18:13 > 1:18:15Thank you very much.

1:18:18 > 1:18:21A statement by the police that they believe there may be dozens more

1:18:21 > 1:18:23victims in this particular case.

1:18:23 > 1:18:27That day, the news media were covering it 24-7.

1:18:27 > 1:18:31This is the most striking front page, a nation's shame.

1:18:32 > 1:18:34I've not known anything like it in my life.

1:18:36 > 1:18:41There was real shock at what this case had uncovered.

1:18:41 > 1:18:44There was a sense of how... where else is it happening?

1:18:44 > 1:18:48How many other perpetrators are there? How much abuse is going on?

1:18:48 > 1:18:49Why is this happening?

1:18:49 > 1:18:51What's our responsibility?

1:18:51 > 1:18:54This is about power and about sexual exploitation.

1:18:54 > 1:18:56All but one of the men was from Pakistan.

1:18:56 > 1:18:58The ninth was from Afghanistan.

1:18:58 > 1:18:59Right-wing groups...

1:18:59 > 1:19:01Two questions they wanted to know, one was, why hadn't it been

1:19:01 > 1:19:04prosecuted before? What does it say about the justice system?

1:19:05 > 1:19:08Two, was this a race issue?

1:19:08 > 1:19:12We cannot use this as a tool to generalise and castigate

1:19:12 > 1:19:16every person who happens to be brown, whether they're Asian...

1:19:16 > 1:19:20In all communities, all ethnicities, all religions...

1:19:20 > 1:19:24A vile, degenerate person that will prey on young innocent girls

1:19:24 > 1:19:27does not take race into account.

1:19:27 > 1:19:29They go after girls, simple.

1:19:29 > 1:19:31- APPLAUSE - And I think that by saying...

1:19:31 > 1:19:33In the days and weeks after the Rochdale verdict,

1:19:33 > 1:19:35the issue of race wouldn't go away.

1:19:35 > 1:19:39'The police are wrong to say that race isn't a key factor in this.

1:19:39 > 1:19:41'This is an issue within the Asian community,

1:19:41 > 1:19:43'a small group of Asian men...'

1:19:43 > 1:19:46These nine men did not commit this abuse because they are all Pakistani

1:19:46 > 1:19:49and Afghan in origin, they did it because they are vile scum

1:19:49 > 1:19:52and vile scum exists in all...

1:19:52 > 1:19:56Every community and every race has its sex abusers.

1:19:56 > 1:19:59I'm a Muslim myself and we are...

1:19:59 > 1:20:01alcohol is forbidden, drugs is forbidden,

1:20:01 > 1:20:02sexual abuse is forbidden.

1:20:02 > 1:20:05All of these things, these men were surrounded by.

1:20:05 > 1:20:09So it's not as if the Koran was their handbook

1:20:09 > 1:20:13for the abuse of these young girls. They surrounded themselves

1:20:13 > 1:20:16with everything that was forbidden by Islam.

1:20:16 > 1:20:21- 'Tariq, good morning. - All I see, is evil is evil.'

1:20:22 > 1:20:25'The last 20 years, we've had an underclass in this country.

1:20:25 > 1:20:28'It's incredibly sad that a young girl feels she's special

1:20:28 > 1:20:30'because she's given a kebab.

1:20:30 > 1:20:33'Sexual exploitation is a national problem,

1:20:33 > 1:20:36'it's not particular to one culture or race, and I think...'

1:20:38 > 1:20:41As the country grappled with the fallout from the Rochdale trial,

1:20:41 > 1:20:43more and more cases came to light...

1:20:43 > 1:20:46'A 14-year-old girl was taken to a house in Brierfield...'

1:20:46 > 1:20:49Some under current investigation, some from the past.

1:20:49 > 1:20:53Exploiting children has become a social norm in a region

1:20:53 > 1:20:56where just one in five police officers are trained...

1:20:56 > 1:20:59I could barely believe what I was reading.

1:21:00 > 1:21:04I thought that Keighley was the only place in the universe

1:21:04 > 1:21:06where this sort of stuff was going on.

1:21:06 > 1:21:10And then I discovered, to my horror, really,

1:21:10 > 1:21:12that it had been going on in all these other towns,

1:21:12 > 1:21:14but no one was talking about it.

1:21:15 > 1:21:20I just wish that people would have understood the, sort of, dreadful

1:21:20 > 1:21:25situations these girls were going through, their lives

1:21:25 > 1:21:28would have been completely changed.

1:21:28 > 1:21:32Why couldn't people understand that we had to move heaven and earth,

1:21:32 > 1:21:36if necessary, to stop this sort of thing happening?

1:21:37 > 1:21:41Various enquiries were already under way to investigate,

1:21:41 > 1:21:44not just Rochdale and Greater Manchester,

1:21:44 > 1:21:46but the national picture.

1:21:46 > 1:21:47Dealing with vulnerable victims,

1:21:47 > 1:21:50we've long had operations against things like child prostitution,

1:21:50 > 1:21:52Operation Messenger.

1:21:52 > 1:21:53It's not fair to say we did nothing.

1:21:53 > 1:21:55We did do something,

1:21:55 > 1:21:59we perhaps didn't do as effectively as we would have liked to.

1:21:59 > 1:22:02It's a lack of sharing of data across services.

1:22:02 > 1:22:06As the enquiries tried to understand how and why so many children

1:22:06 > 1:22:07had been let down,

1:22:07 > 1:22:11Maggie Oliver began going through her files

1:22:11 > 1:22:12on Operation Span.

1:22:12 > 1:22:16She was shocked to find that some of the evidence she managed to gather

1:22:16 > 1:22:20from one of the sisters appeared to be missing from the police database.

1:22:21 > 1:22:25When one child tells the police that she has been raped

1:22:25 > 1:22:29by in excess of 30 men and Greater Manchester Police

1:22:29 > 1:22:33choose not to make an official record of any of those allegations,

1:22:33 > 1:22:35that is out and out neglect.

1:22:35 > 1:22:38That is your basic role as a police officer,

1:22:38 > 1:22:39that you gather the evidence.

1:22:39 > 1:22:42You don't make a snap judgment,

1:22:42 > 1:22:44whether you agree with somebody or you don't

1:22:44 > 1:22:45and decide not to record it.

1:22:45 > 1:22:49It is your job as a police officer to record it.

1:22:49 > 1:22:53There is no record that that child disclosed those offences.

1:22:53 > 1:22:58Now, the scary thing, quite apart from the consequences for her,

1:22:58 > 1:23:00the other consequence of that

1:23:00 > 1:23:04is that those men might be abusing other children.

1:23:05 > 1:23:08'Social workers, police and prosecutors have been criticised

1:23:08 > 1:23:10'for missing opportunities to stop the abuse

1:23:10 > 1:23:12'of young girls in Rochdale.'

1:23:12 > 1:23:15As various reviews started to publish their findings,

1:23:15 > 1:23:18the official government enquiry was nearing the end

1:23:18 > 1:23:21of its six-month investigation.

1:23:21 > 1:23:23'..and rape of a number of girls.

1:23:23 > 1:23:25'It's believed there were around 50 of them

1:23:25 > 1:23:28'and some may have been as young as ten.'

1:23:28 > 1:23:32Committee members had heard from senior executives and managers.

1:23:32 > 1:23:35Now they called on Sara Rowbotham, hoping that someone

1:23:35 > 1:23:38with ten years on the front line would be able to

1:23:38 > 1:23:43clarify the scale of the problem and why it had been ignored for so long.

1:23:43 > 1:23:45I'm quoting from the report,

1:23:45 > 1:23:50overall child welfare organisations missed opportunities to provide

1:23:50 > 1:23:53a comprehensive, co-ordinated, and timely response.

1:23:53 > 1:23:58- Do you agree with that?- Absolutely, I would absolutely agree with that.

1:23:58 > 1:24:00I think the report makes reference,

1:24:00 > 1:24:04starts at 2007 and I'd like to suggest that that happened much

1:24:04 > 1:24:07earlier, from 2004.

1:24:07 > 1:24:13Over that period of time, I made 181 alerts to children's social care.

1:24:13 > 1:24:16- 181 alerts?- Mm-hm.

1:24:16 > 1:24:18When those referrals weren't acted upon,

1:24:18 > 1:24:20did you take any further action?

1:24:20 > 1:24:21As far as I'm concerned,

1:24:21 > 1:24:24I told everybody that these children were being abused.

1:24:24 > 1:24:28Let me be blunt - do you think the failure in Rochdale was due

1:24:28 > 1:24:31to incompetence or indifference?

1:24:33 > 1:24:36It was attitudes towards teenagers, it was absolute disrespect,

1:24:36 > 1:24:39that vulnerable young people did not have a voice.

1:24:39 > 1:24:43They were overlooked, they were discriminated against,

1:24:43 > 1:24:45they were...

1:24:45 > 1:24:49They were treated appallingly by protective services.

1:25:07 > 1:25:12If Greater Manchester Police had followed what we knew

1:25:12 > 1:25:16to be happening in relation to Operation Augusta

1:25:16 > 1:25:22back in 2004 and 2005, I know, 100%,

1:25:22 > 1:25:26that this kind of crime would not have escalated to the proportions

1:25:26 > 1:25:28that we now see.

1:25:28 > 1:25:32As a community, as a country we're trying to play catch-up

1:25:32 > 1:25:36with a crime that has become, erm, frighteningly...

1:25:38 > 1:25:39It's epidemic proportions.

1:25:39 > 1:25:45I hope that now we realise we can't turn a blind eye.

1:25:46 > 1:25:49I just think it's too little, too late.

1:25:50 > 1:25:56And I'm heartbroken about the kids in the middle of it

1:25:56 > 1:25:57who have been let down.

1:26:22 > 1:26:24Yes, people got stuff wrong in the past,

1:26:24 > 1:26:27people that weren't prosecuted that should have been,

1:26:27 > 1:26:30victims weren't given the level of support they should have been.

1:26:30 > 1:26:32But when I left the service,

1:26:32 > 1:26:35at that time, I knew they were doing as good a job

1:26:35 > 1:26:36as they possibly could.

1:26:36 > 1:26:39Even despite all the counter-terror work that we're doing right now,

1:26:39 > 1:26:42child sexual abuse was the number one priority of Greater Manchester

1:26:42 > 1:26:46Police. They resourced it, they put people of expertise in there.

1:26:46 > 1:26:48And there are potentially hundreds of suspects.

1:26:48 > 1:26:52Yes, the abuse of young girls in Rochdale, and Keighley,

1:26:52 > 1:26:55and Oxford and Telford and everywhere else in this country

1:26:55 > 1:26:57where it's happening is the tip of the iceberg.

1:26:57 > 1:27:00I've said before, there are probably as many children

1:27:00 > 1:27:03as you can fill into Wembley Stadium, 100,000 a year,

1:27:03 > 1:27:05who are being abused every year.

1:27:05 > 1:27:07Therefore, we are just beginning this journey

1:27:07 > 1:27:10but you've got to start somewhere.

1:27:17 > 1:27:21I wish it had never happened. I wish I had a childhood,

1:27:21 > 1:27:24I wish I did things like a normal family would,

1:27:24 > 1:27:28just random things like going down to the forest and making pictures

1:27:28 > 1:27:31with leaves and stuff, or sleepovers and things like that.

1:27:36 > 1:27:38Nothing could ever bring justice to me, I don't think.

1:27:41 > 1:27:44It's not something that's ever going to make me feel better.

1:27:47 > 1:27:49Your thoughts last forever.