0:00:02 > 0:00:06This programme contains some strong language and some scenes which some viewers may find upsetting.
0:00:06 > 0:00:08It's tricky going into a situation or an environment
0:00:08 > 0:00:10where you're going to have completely different views
0:00:10 > 0:00:12- to everyone surrounding you. - Abortion is murder!
0:00:14 > 0:00:17'It is not a belief, it is a scientific fact.'
0:00:17 > 0:00:20You're not out there doing this, they're going to die.
0:00:20 > 0:00:23For now, just try to think like us.
0:00:23 > 0:00:24Whoa!
0:00:24 > 0:00:27I literally can't believe where I am right now.
0:00:27 > 0:00:30- These people are judging. Cos they're gods.- I'm not judging.
0:00:30 > 0:00:34You're annoyed because I'm talking to somebody who has a different trail of thought.
0:00:34 > 0:00:37No, I'm just kind of confused. I'm not even really annoyed.
0:00:37 > 0:00:38Well, I don't know what's confusing.
0:00:38 > 0:00:42'The baby is rapidly torn apart by the force of the suction.'
0:00:42 > 0:00:44So I have to bring a child into the world?
0:00:44 > 0:00:47There's always someone trying to get into your head.
0:00:47 > 0:00:50Are you pro-choice, are you pro-abortion?
0:00:50 > 0:00:55What would it take to change your mind about something you really believe in?
0:00:55 > 0:01:00As it gets darker and darker in this culture, please believe the fact...
0:01:00 > 0:01:02Thing is, I don't want to do it.
0:01:02 > 0:01:05Just morally, this is such a big thing for me.
0:01:12 > 0:01:15TRAIN HORN BLARES
0:01:18 > 0:01:20I'm in Southern California
0:01:20 > 0:01:25to attend summer camp with a radical protest group known as Survivors,
0:01:25 > 0:01:27who are on a mission to end abortion.
0:01:30 > 0:01:35Abortion has been legal across the USA since 1973.
0:01:35 > 0:01:40It's given rise to a powerful and sometimes extreme pro-life movement.
0:01:40 > 0:01:42- WOMAN:- Wait till your daughter comes home pregnant!
0:01:42 > 0:01:46In the UK, abortion is legal up to 24 weeks.
0:01:46 > 0:01:51In America, most states set the limit between 20 and 25 weeks.
0:01:51 > 0:01:56But in some, abortion is legal up into the late stages of pregnancy.
0:01:57 > 0:01:58Don't touch me!
0:01:58 > 0:02:01The rights of the unborn versus a woman's choice
0:02:01 > 0:02:03is a hugely divisive issue.
0:02:03 > 0:02:06- Have you had an abortion? - No! Fuck you, no!
0:02:06 > 0:02:08But it's none of your fucking business.
0:02:08 > 0:02:10- OK, don't hit her. Don't hit her. - Now you're...- You're such a...
0:02:12 > 0:02:16I have always been, I guess, fiercely pro-choice.
0:02:16 > 0:02:21I absolutely am of the thought that it's a mother's decision.
0:02:21 > 0:02:25It's her choice and nobody else's whether or not she wants to
0:02:25 > 0:02:28continue with what was maybe an unplanned pregnancy.
0:02:29 > 0:02:34Over three decades, leader Jeff White has gained cult status
0:02:34 > 0:02:36in the American pro-life movement.
0:02:36 > 0:02:39Hey, guys, they are arresting me! Just so you know.
0:02:39 > 0:02:41They won't look at our video.
0:02:41 > 0:02:44I've heard he's been arrested over 100 times,
0:02:44 > 0:02:47and even been in prison for his radical activism.
0:02:47 > 0:02:50..million lives here since 1973.
0:02:50 > 0:02:54Survivors say they practise only peaceful protest.
0:02:54 > 0:02:58- WOMAN OVER LOUD-HAILER:- ..the lies of abortion.
0:02:58 > 0:03:02Survivors are notorious for being one of the only pro-life groups in America
0:03:02 > 0:03:05that train children for front-line activism.
0:03:05 > 0:03:07CHANTING
0:03:10 > 0:03:13I'm enrolling in Survivors' two-week summer camp.
0:03:13 > 0:03:16By living in their world and hearing the pro-life message every day,
0:03:16 > 0:03:20can they possibly change how I feel about abortion?
0:03:23 > 0:03:26- So, Stacey.- Hello.- Hi, how are you?
0:03:26 > 0:03:30- I'm Stacey, how do you do?- I'm Kate. - Nice to meet you, Kate.
0:03:30 > 0:03:34Here's your folder here, and we'll get you your name tag as well.
0:03:36 > 0:03:38What does this picture symbolise?
0:03:38 > 0:03:40That's the skeleton of the baby,
0:03:40 > 0:03:45so it's representing that 55 million babies have died.
0:03:45 > 0:03:48- OK, so this is my welcome pack? - Yes.
0:03:48 > 0:03:50- Hello. Are you Jeff?- Yes. - How do you do, Jeff?
0:03:50 > 0:03:54- Nice to meet you.- Yeah, likewise. - Welcome.- Thank you.
0:03:54 > 0:03:57So, tell me what the plan is, briefly, for today, Jeff?
0:03:57 > 0:03:59Very soon we're going to head over to the church
0:03:59 > 0:04:00for the start of our classes.
0:04:00 > 0:04:03Inside your pack there, you should have one of these.
0:04:03 > 0:04:07Have we got all of this information? OK, thank you, Jeff. Cool.
0:04:07 > 0:04:10So you'll be sharing a room with me and Mo.
0:04:10 > 0:04:13- Mo?- Mm-hmm. She's Jeff White's daughter.
0:04:13 > 0:04:16Oh, really? Has he got loads of kids?
0:04:16 > 0:04:18Oh, my gosh, I think he has 11.
0:04:18 > 0:04:20- Are you serious?- I think so.
0:04:20 > 0:04:25The campers are all staying in the hotel, and we're sharing rooms.
0:04:26 > 0:04:29- Thank you.- This is our room. - Oh, perfect!
0:04:29 > 0:04:32If there's three of us we might have to share.
0:04:32 > 0:04:36- Yes, I think Mo and I will share a bed.- Yeah? Whatever you want to do.
0:04:37 > 0:04:42- Let's go. This is actually my first-ever summer camp. - Are you serious?- Yeah.
0:04:52 > 0:04:55The camp's base is in a nearby Catholic church hall.
0:05:01 > 0:05:05- Hello. Can I sit with you? - Yes.- Cool.
0:05:06 > 0:05:12Alongside me are 50 other campers aged between 24 and 11.
0:05:13 > 0:05:18So, Survivors was formed because we want to address the issue of
0:05:18 > 0:05:22abortion in our nation. We're going to be out there speaking the truth.
0:05:22 > 0:05:27There are going to be people who hate you for taking that stand.
0:05:27 > 0:05:30And very often we're going to get a reaction from them, and it's
0:05:30 > 0:05:33going to be an explosive reaction, it's going to be an angry reaction.
0:05:33 > 0:05:35So, with that,
0:05:35 > 0:05:39you're going to hear from some of the best leaders around the nation.
0:05:39 > 0:05:44They know what happens when you unleash young people.
0:05:44 > 0:05:46And that's what we're going to do in this camp.
0:05:46 > 0:05:48You're advocates for children.
0:05:48 > 0:05:52If you're not out there doing this for two weeks, they are going to die.
0:05:52 > 0:05:55It's just that simple.
0:05:55 > 0:05:57APPLAUSE
0:05:57 > 0:06:01I'm keen to know why this is the summer camp of choice for these young people.
0:06:02 > 0:06:05- Hey!- Hey!
0:06:05 > 0:06:07You're here because you believe you should be here,
0:06:07 > 0:06:08or is Mum saying you need to go?
0:06:08 > 0:06:10Oh, no, I am totally pro-life.
0:06:10 > 0:06:14When you're pregnant, it's just basically a miracle.
0:06:14 > 0:06:17And I believe that most women when they have sex, they should be
0:06:17 > 0:06:21open-minded to that possibility, because it's always possible.
0:06:21 > 0:06:23- Yeah, there's always a slight chance.- Exactly.
0:06:23 > 0:06:26And if you are not completely aware of that,
0:06:26 > 0:06:29and mature enough to realise that you're going to have to be
0:06:29 > 0:06:32able to take care of a life, I don't think you should have intercourse.
0:06:32 > 0:06:34- Oh, really?!- Yeah.
0:06:34 > 0:06:36Wow. That's a bold statement.
0:06:36 > 0:06:39So, you think, unless you're prepared to be a mother,
0:06:39 > 0:06:41then you shouldn't have sex?
0:06:41 > 0:06:43I'm not a virgin, personally,
0:06:43 > 0:06:47and I'm scared to death to ever, like, have children at my age right now,
0:06:47 > 0:06:50but at least I know I would never abort a child.
0:06:50 > 0:06:53'I'm told we will be protesting in public,
0:06:53 > 0:06:58'and are given a crash course in the facts according to Survivors.'
0:06:58 > 0:07:01- TV:- 'A lot of people claim that no-one can know when life begins,
0:07:01 > 0:07:03'that it's merely a religious issue.'
0:07:03 > 0:07:09'Every human embryologist in the world knows that the life of
0:07:09 > 0:07:14'the new individual human being begins at fertilisation.
0:07:14 > 0:07:18'It is not a belief. It is a scientific fact.
0:07:18 > 0:07:21- 'What does this look like to you? - A baby child, a foetus.
0:07:22 > 0:07:27- 'What does this look like?- A foetus. - That is a model of a human foetus.
0:07:27 > 0:07:31- 'A baby.- William, how old are you? - Four and a half.
0:07:31 > 0:07:37- 'And you're sure this is a baby? - Yeah.- OK.
0:07:37 > 0:07:39'Next...'
0:07:39 > 0:07:40APPLAUSE
0:07:40 > 0:07:44'Guiding the young students are ten older team leaders.'
0:07:45 > 0:07:53I think, for me, I have trouble accepting what that video suggests
0:07:53 > 0:07:56in terms of, as soon as we're finished having sex,
0:07:56 > 0:07:58that's when life starts.
0:07:58 > 0:08:02- Right, so there is no kind of qualms about that?- No.
0:08:02 > 0:08:08I guess I just don't believe it's my right to...
0:08:08 > 0:08:12dictate to other women and other individuals what's...
0:08:12 > 0:08:15- what they should do.- Right.
0:08:20 > 0:08:23Abortion, too, he said the destruction of the embryo in
0:08:23 > 0:08:27the mother's womb is a violation of the right to live, which God...
0:08:27 > 0:08:31'The classes are ramping up the pro-life message.'
0:08:31 > 0:08:36What we're seeing in society is the result of a bad worldview.
0:08:36 > 0:08:40As it gets darker and darker in this culture,
0:08:40 > 0:08:45please believe the fact that the ultimate sacrifice is the ultimate gift,
0:08:45 > 0:08:48and it confounds the world when they take our lives,
0:08:48 > 0:08:50when they shame us, when they scourge us,
0:08:50 > 0:08:52when they drag us through the streets like Jesus,
0:08:52 > 0:08:57when they pin us up to the cross and say, "You bigot, you intolerant,"
0:08:57 > 0:09:02when we respond with love and grace, instead of panic, fear and hatred.
0:09:02 > 0:09:07APPLAUSE AND CHEERING
0:09:10 > 0:09:12I can see that the syllabus is clearly having
0:09:12 > 0:09:14a big impact on those around me.
0:09:16 > 0:09:18Do you think you girls are radical?
0:09:18 > 0:09:22- Yeah.- You do? - I'm willing to go to jail for this.
0:09:22 > 0:09:25So, would you give your life for this cause?
0:09:25 > 0:09:27Yeah, I would, I definitely would.
0:09:27 > 0:09:28I would, too. Yeah.
0:09:28 > 0:09:34Yeah, because it's basically giving your life for another 60 million...
0:09:34 > 0:09:37million human beings.
0:09:37 > 0:09:40If it meant the end of abortion, like all legal abortion,
0:09:40 > 0:09:44all anything abortion, I would personally die, yeah.
0:09:44 > 0:09:46I am really hoping that
0:09:46 > 0:09:49- Stacey kind of joins our side, you know?- Yeah.
0:09:49 > 0:09:51If she participates, whether she
0:09:51 > 0:09:53- believes in what she's doing or not...- Right.
0:09:53 > 0:09:55..but she does those actions, it can start developing,
0:09:55 > 0:09:59and she can see, she can feel the reaction of those people that were
0:09:59 > 0:10:00once maybe like her.
0:10:00 > 0:10:04And she can see the reactions and maybe she'll start actually
0:10:04 > 0:10:06- feeling like what I'm doing is right.- Yeah.
0:10:06 > 0:10:10- Cos sometimes they say if you act like it, you start believing in it. - Yeah.
0:10:14 > 0:10:17After a long day of classes I catch up with my roommates -
0:10:17 > 0:10:21Claire and Jeff's 19-year-old daughter Mo.
0:10:22 > 0:10:24Hey! Hey!
0:10:24 > 0:10:25Hi!
0:10:25 > 0:10:27- How are you?- I'm good, how are you? - I'm all right.
0:10:27 > 0:10:30- Your hair's nice loose.- Yeah.
0:10:30 > 0:10:33What time must we be up tomorrow?
0:10:33 > 0:10:35- I think we're leaving at 8.25. - Are we?
0:10:35 > 0:10:40You're Jeff's daughter, can't you get us a few extra minutes?
0:10:40 > 0:10:41I wish!
0:10:41 > 0:10:43He has a tighter leash on me, so if I do something,
0:10:43 > 0:10:45it's like he notices.
0:10:45 > 0:10:47- It's like, "You should know better." - Yeah, yeah.
0:10:47 > 0:10:50- So, how was your first day at camp? - Interesting.
0:10:50 > 0:10:53It was kind of like first day back at school. You know what I mean?
0:10:53 > 0:10:57Everyone's kind of trying to figure everyone else out.
0:10:59 > 0:11:03My first immediate thought, sat there looking round the room,
0:11:03 > 0:11:08was so many of these kids are so young.
0:11:09 > 0:11:15I personally have a real issue with kind of forcing this
0:11:15 > 0:11:19biased agenda down youngsters' throats.
0:11:19 > 0:11:21I think they're not even formed as kind of...
0:11:23 > 0:11:26..thoughtful adults at this moment.
0:11:26 > 0:11:28And surely it's all about
0:11:28 > 0:11:32giving them all the information, from both sides,
0:11:32 > 0:11:37and then leaving it to them to come to their own conclusions.
0:11:46 > 0:11:51'For the next phase of our training, we're leaving the classroom and hitting the road.'
0:11:51 > 0:11:53What are we doing?
0:11:53 > 0:11:55We're going to have a memorial
0:11:55 > 0:11:57at the graveside of the unborn... pre-born.
0:11:59 > 0:12:02We've come to a cemetery on the outskirts of LA.
0:12:05 > 0:12:06We can gather in the shade.
0:12:08 > 0:12:12Activist Joe has been fighting abortion since the 1980s
0:12:12 > 0:12:15alongside Jeff.
0:12:15 > 0:12:18We're coming here for a memorial service
0:12:18 > 0:12:22because there is 54 aborted babies buried here.
0:12:23 > 0:12:28March 14th in 1997, there were a couple of young boys playing
0:12:28 > 0:12:32in a field in Chino Hills, California, not far from here.
0:12:32 > 0:12:37And they noticed some boxes at the edge of this field.
0:12:37 > 0:12:41Much to their horror, they saw a bunch of dead babies.
0:12:41 > 0:12:44A couple of churches in the area immediately got together
0:12:44 > 0:12:46to discuss, what do we need to do?
0:12:46 > 0:12:49So the next day immediately they had a memorial service.
0:12:49 > 0:12:50That was 19 years ago.
0:12:53 > 0:12:56These children are about your age.
0:12:56 > 0:13:00They were discarded from the truck that was transporting them to
0:13:00 > 0:13:02a medical waste facility,
0:13:02 > 0:13:07because it's expensive to deal with medical waste.
0:13:07 > 0:13:11Just think, if one of those children could have escaped
0:13:11 > 0:13:15that horrible death, they might be standing right here with you today.
0:13:15 > 0:13:17That's how old they are.
0:13:19 > 0:13:23And it is my prayer today that this will touch your heart
0:13:23 > 0:13:27and that you will say, no. No. Not now, not ever.
0:13:27 > 0:13:30Not on my watch.
0:13:30 > 0:13:31- KEYBOARD PLAYS - # And my soul... #
0:13:31 > 0:13:35'It's impossible not to find the story shocking,
0:13:35 > 0:13:37'especially for the young campers.'
0:13:39 > 0:13:43Each and every one of these babies is special and had a purpose.
0:13:43 > 0:13:45Each and every one of them...
0:13:47 > 0:13:49..is God's artistry.
0:13:49 > 0:13:51(Why are you so emotional?)
0:13:51 > 0:13:55WHISPERING:
0:13:59 > 0:14:00THEY SOB QUIETLY
0:14:00 > 0:14:03Their parents don't even know they're here.
0:14:03 > 0:14:07(No-one can argue that what that driver did,
0:14:07 > 0:14:10(dumping those embryos, was absolutely wrong.)
0:14:10 > 0:14:14Those babies. Those babies.
0:14:23 > 0:14:29The reason we do this is to just have a remembrance...
0:14:33 > 0:14:36..that they were lives and they ended,
0:14:36 > 0:14:41and each day thousands of children die the same way.
0:14:41 > 0:14:43And our job is to rescue them.
0:14:43 > 0:14:45We are, in essence, rescuers.
0:14:45 > 0:14:50- So, rescuers. Also, I'm presuming, Survivors.- Survivors.
0:14:50 > 0:14:53Why do you call yourself Survivors?
0:14:53 > 0:14:56Because anybody born after 1973
0:14:56 > 0:14:59survived the American Abortion Holocaust. OK?
0:14:59 > 0:15:02We have... The number of children
0:15:02 > 0:15:04that we've murdered in the United States
0:15:04 > 0:15:07makes Nazi Germany pale by comparison.
0:15:07 > 0:15:15That's fascinating, the idea that you believe that comparison is necessary.
0:15:15 > 0:15:17You think that's accurate.
0:15:17 > 0:15:21We're talking about human beings unjustly killed.
0:15:21 > 0:15:23Jewish human beings, unborn babies.
0:15:23 > 0:15:26So I think it's a fair comparison.
0:15:26 > 0:15:29- So that's your kind of overriding message, essentially?- Yes.
0:15:29 > 0:15:31- All life is sacred.- That's correct.
0:15:31 > 0:15:34Whether it's inside of a womb, or it's outside.
0:15:34 > 0:15:37'I find Jeff's Holocaust analogy so controversial,
0:15:37 > 0:15:43'but I'm quickly learning he uses shock as a key tool in promoting his message.'
0:15:43 > 0:15:45Jeff isn't stupid.
0:15:45 > 0:15:50And any adult knows that if you get a group of kids and stand them in front of...
0:15:52 > 0:15:56..a tombstone, and you make sure there's a keyboard playing
0:15:56 > 0:15:58a very sad song in the background,
0:15:58 > 0:16:01then that's going to make these kids respond
0:16:01 > 0:16:08in a way that is going to, hopefully, in the next couple of days,
0:16:08 > 0:16:11make sure they are quite militant when they're out in the streets.
0:16:11 > 0:16:15It can feel like they are manipulating these
0:16:15 > 0:16:18impressionable youngsters.
0:16:27 > 0:16:30Now thoroughly schooled in Jeff's message,
0:16:30 > 0:16:33it's time to take the pro-life argument to the public.
0:16:33 > 0:16:36We're preparing for our first street demonstration,
0:16:36 > 0:16:40using signs with highly graphic images.
0:16:41 > 0:16:46Today you're going to be holding a sign on the street at the beach, OK?
0:16:46 > 0:16:48So you need to be prepared for that.
0:16:49 > 0:16:53Yeah. Can... I wanted to talk to you about that. I...
0:16:53 > 0:16:56don't know if I feel entirely comfortable
0:16:56 > 0:16:59- in terms of holding the sign.- Right.
0:16:59 > 0:17:03I wondered, could I stand next to the guys with the sign?
0:17:03 > 0:17:07Why can't she stand next to the sign and say, "I'm OK with this"?
0:17:07 > 0:17:09I don't feel comfortable holding a sign.
0:17:09 > 0:17:12Today I'll have you stand next to somebody. OK?
0:17:12 > 0:17:14But at some point in time,
0:17:14 > 0:17:17I'm going to want you to have possession of the sign
0:17:17 > 0:17:21so that you have to defend holding that image to somebody coming by.
0:17:21 > 0:17:24You want to be a part of the camp.
0:17:24 > 0:17:26You're more than capable.
0:17:32 > 0:17:35'The thought of front-line protesting is making me
0:17:35 > 0:17:39'feel really uncomfortable, but at least I'm not the only rookie.'
0:17:39 > 0:17:42- How are you feeling? - I am nervous to the point of...
0:17:42 > 0:17:45If I can represent the movement I'm in...
0:17:45 > 0:17:50I've always been pro-life in thought and what I say and how I speak it,
0:17:50 > 0:17:52but I've never been an activist.
0:17:52 > 0:17:55And so I get here, and on these three days of training we've had,
0:17:55 > 0:17:59I see now why these people are dedicating so much of their life.
0:18:00 > 0:18:05So it sounds to me like the camp has encouraged you to go further
0:18:05 > 0:18:09than you ever have done in the past.
0:18:09 > 0:18:12- Almost like a calling.- Yeah.
0:18:12 > 0:18:15Yeah, so, I mean, at first you get motivated by
0:18:15 > 0:18:18what you hear, what you see, what you believe is true,
0:18:18 > 0:18:20so the representation they showed us,
0:18:20 > 0:18:23the more truths they showed us over the evils that are happening,
0:18:23 > 0:18:27when we went down to the memorial of the 54 babies that were aborted
0:18:27 > 0:18:29and left on the side of the road...
0:18:29 > 0:18:33- I have now felt it as a calling through that experience I've had. - Right.
0:18:33 > 0:18:36- So now I'm more motivated to go out and be an activist to end it.- Right.
0:18:39 > 0:18:42Survivors purposely target the busiest locations.
0:18:42 > 0:18:46Today it's Huntington Beach, famous for its laid-back vibe.
0:18:48 > 0:18:50So, I need you guys all to grab a sign,
0:18:50 > 0:18:55and then go with Veronica and go across, OK?
0:18:55 > 0:18:58The rest of you, we're going to be setting up over here.
0:18:58 > 0:19:03'Within minutes of arriving, the police are on the scene.'
0:19:03 > 0:19:07- Back up. Back up, people, I'm tired of this. Back away from us, now. - Please don't hurt them.
0:19:07 > 0:19:12It doesn't take long for our signs to get a reaction from the public.
0:19:12 > 0:19:13Whoa, whoa!
0:19:15 > 0:19:17SHE EXHALES
0:19:17 > 0:19:19But I'm guilty.
0:19:19 > 0:19:22I've been part of an abortion, and it was the best decision I made.
0:19:22 > 0:19:27- But these people are judging, cos they're gods.- I'm not judging.
0:19:27 > 0:19:30'It suddenly hit me how real all of this is.'
0:19:30 > 0:19:33I literally can't believe where I am right now.
0:19:33 > 0:19:34I really want to enjoy this beach, though.
0:19:34 > 0:19:38If a woman feels like she doesn't want to have a baby,
0:19:38 > 0:19:40I think that's her choice, the kid don't have
0:19:40 > 0:19:41no decisions to make for itself.
0:19:41 > 0:19:45We're saying, that baby still doesn't know what's going on.
0:19:45 > 0:19:46It's a human being.
0:19:46 > 0:19:48Every time I jack off and bust a nut,
0:19:48 > 0:19:52does that make that sperms and shit a fucking life, and something I...?
0:19:52 > 0:19:56- No, cos it hasn't fertilised. - But it's still living, it's a cell.
0:19:56 > 0:19:59But once the egg and shit... It's still a cell.
0:19:59 > 0:20:02I mean, I bet you that if this baby could talk they would be like
0:20:02 > 0:20:05"Ma, I don't want to be killed.
0:20:05 > 0:20:07"I want to have the opportunity to actually live."
0:20:07 > 0:20:1158 million, just in America. 40 million a year in the world.
0:20:11 > 0:20:13Human beings that aren't here.
0:20:13 > 0:20:17Because we terminate them because women think it's their choice
0:20:17 > 0:20:19to end a life they created.
0:20:19 > 0:20:22The way you should fight this battle is when you have a kid
0:20:22 > 0:20:26or you knock somebody up, it's you have that belief, and you do that with your own life.
0:20:26 > 0:20:29All these other people that feel a different way and want to do it a different way,
0:20:29 > 0:20:30you let them live their fucking life.
0:20:30 > 0:20:34- Thank you very much. We really appreciate this great discussion. - Thank you.- It's nice to meet you.
0:20:34 > 0:20:37- So, where are you from, the River Thames or what? - SHE LAUGHS
0:20:37 > 0:20:39I'm, like, hanging out with these guys.
0:20:39 > 0:20:43These guys are obviously pro-lifers. I'm not necessarily pro-life,
0:20:43 > 0:20:46I more pro-choice. But they've been so accommodating,
0:20:46 > 0:20:49and they have been really lovely, actually.
0:20:49 > 0:20:54And they're trying to explain to me their perspective, and vice versa.
0:20:54 > 0:20:58- So, I'll introduce myself. I'm Stacey.- Stacey, my name's William.
0:20:58 > 0:21:01Nice to meet you. Do signs like this make you think even
0:21:01 > 0:21:04a little bit, or are you still adamant in what you believe?
0:21:04 > 0:21:07Of course it made me think for a second,
0:21:07 > 0:21:11but more I thought that was just ugly to bring out here than it is...
0:21:11 > 0:21:16'But voicing my genuine opinion in public has not gone unnoticed.'
0:21:16 > 0:21:19- Right.- Religion has nothing to do with facts, though.
0:21:19 > 0:21:22Sorry, Sheila, we were having a conversation. He's...
0:21:22 > 0:21:24But we're in a public area,
0:21:24 > 0:21:26and you're saying something that I object to.
0:21:26 > 0:21:30You're kind of giving the other side a platform and I was
0:21:30 > 0:21:33under the impression that you were here to just kind of like...
0:21:33 > 0:21:34That's what it is, isn't it, Sheila?
0:21:34 > 0:21:38You're annoyed because I'm talking to somebody who has a different trail of thought.
0:21:38 > 0:21:41- No, I'm just kind of confused. I'm not even really annoyed. - I don't know what's confusing.
0:21:41 > 0:21:44I'm confused because basically I'm getting some concerns from the campers.
0:21:44 > 0:21:47All you have to say is, "Stace, can I have a chat?"
0:21:53 > 0:21:55'Speaking my mind has also upset Yuni,
0:21:55 > 0:21:57'and I want to clear the air.'
0:21:59 > 0:22:02I know that you felt a bit gutted about me having
0:22:02 > 0:22:05a chat with the guy who was pro-choice.
0:22:05 > 0:22:09I didn't like the fact that you stepped up and you're like,
0:22:09 > 0:22:11"I'm with you, I'm pro-choice."
0:22:11 > 0:22:13And that got me a little mad.
0:22:13 > 0:22:15I totally agree that you should talk to them.
0:22:15 > 0:22:18You should have conversations with them or anything.
0:22:18 > 0:22:22But I feel like you shouldn't do it when we're telling him
0:22:22 > 0:22:26a completely opposite thing, because you're with us.
0:22:26 > 0:22:28So it just makes us look bad.
0:22:28 > 0:22:31I'm in a hard fucking space, girls.
0:22:31 > 0:22:36Like, I rate you lot, I like all of you. I'm growing fond of you all.
0:22:36 > 0:22:42But you're still...about what I'm not. So I'm trying.
0:22:42 > 0:22:45I'm really trying, but it's not always easy.
0:22:47 > 0:22:51I'm sat here wondering what it...
0:22:51 > 0:22:54What it would take, what they would have to say to convince me.
0:22:56 > 0:22:59That their way is correct. You know?
0:22:59 > 0:23:03All along they've got it right and perhaps I got it wrong.
0:23:05 > 0:23:07Oh!
0:23:07 > 0:23:09- Huh?- Have you ever been in the ocean?
0:23:09 > 0:23:13I have in the past, but I forgot my bikini.
0:23:13 > 0:23:14Have you had a good day?
0:23:14 > 0:23:17- Yeah, it was really fun.- Fun?
0:23:17 > 0:23:22- It was kind of exciting.- Yeah? And...?
0:23:22 > 0:23:25Cos sometimes there's some police there.
0:23:25 > 0:23:30And this is a huge part of your family's life.
0:23:30 > 0:23:34Do you feel like it will always be a part of yours?
0:23:34 > 0:23:36Yeah.
0:23:36 > 0:23:39Because it's kind of sad that the babies don't get
0:23:39 > 0:23:45a chance to vote for themselves and, like, to speak for themselves,
0:23:45 > 0:23:49- and I would just like them to be able to have that chance.- Wow.
0:23:49 > 0:23:52- I'm going to go wash off. - All right, love. OK.
0:24:01 > 0:24:05- You're leading. - Don't follow me, ever!
0:24:05 > 0:24:07'I'm halfway through camp.
0:24:07 > 0:24:10'We're preparing signs for our next protest.
0:24:10 > 0:24:14'It's clear Jeff's determined for me to get more hands-on.'
0:24:14 > 0:24:18- Are you pro-choice? Are you pro-abortion? - I'm pro-choice, all day.
0:24:18 > 0:24:19Pro-choice. OK.
0:24:19 > 0:24:24If you're pro-choice, then half of that responsibility
0:24:24 > 0:24:27- is helping the person to make the right choice.- Yeah.
0:24:27 > 0:24:30So, often it's the person is in...
0:24:30 > 0:24:32- in a traumatic situation.- Mm-hmm.
0:24:32 > 0:24:34The world is crashing in around them.
0:24:34 > 0:24:38- They need somebody to direct them and at least warn them.- Yeah.
0:24:38 > 0:24:41"This is something you should consider."
0:24:41 > 0:24:46You're completely right. I should know both sides. I should know...
0:24:46 > 0:24:50why you guys believe it is so necessary for you to be out here.
0:24:50 > 0:24:53I'll tell you what this is doing, which is really healthy,
0:24:53 > 0:24:58it's making me imagine what I would do as a woman
0:24:58 > 0:25:01if I found myself in this situation.
0:25:01 > 0:25:05What I'd actually like to ask you to do is to take some of the
0:25:05 > 0:25:08shame that it is to be a pro-life activist,
0:25:08 > 0:25:12there is that sense in which you are ostracised from the community,
0:25:12 > 0:25:15I'd like you to feel that, cos I think it's critical to
0:25:15 > 0:25:18understand really what these young people are experiencing.
0:25:27 > 0:25:30To help me understand the challenge pro-lifers face,
0:25:30 > 0:25:34Jeff's asked me to role-play as one of them.
0:25:34 > 0:25:37APPLAUSE
0:25:37 > 0:25:39Here we go, we're setting her all up.
0:25:39 > 0:25:42- So, Jeff, I'm posing as a pro-lifer? - That's correct.- OK.
0:25:47 > 0:25:50I don't think that abortion is killing human babies.
0:25:50 > 0:25:51Why would you say that?
0:25:51 > 0:25:54Lots of people who support pro-choice
0:25:54 > 0:25:58believe that it's a foetus, or they refer to it as an embryo.
0:25:58 > 0:26:02But actually, as a religious pro-lifer,
0:26:02 > 0:26:07I believe that life starts at conception.
0:26:07 > 0:26:08- WOMAN:- Yes!
0:26:08 > 0:26:11APPLAUSE
0:26:15 > 0:26:18- Another question. Yes.- What about women who have been raped?
0:26:18 > 0:26:23Are you saying that you are going to force women to carry a child
0:26:23 > 0:26:26after this traumatic experience?
0:26:26 > 0:26:32This, em... This baby is an innocent human being.
0:26:33 > 0:26:39And we would urge you to perhaps not punish this baby.
0:26:39 > 0:26:41Did you just call me a murderer?
0:26:41 > 0:26:44AUDIENCE REACTS
0:26:44 > 0:26:49Erm... I mean, we believe that abortion is murder.
0:26:50 > 0:26:52Is that what you believe?
0:26:52 > 0:26:56If they make it a personal story, you get it off that personal story.
0:26:56 > 0:27:01The most compassionate thing we can do is offer support,
0:27:01 > 0:27:04cos she's probably still hurting.
0:27:04 > 0:27:06I'll tell you what I imagine is really tricky, though,
0:27:06 > 0:27:10you say try and keep it sort of theoretical, but it is so personal.
0:27:10 > 0:27:13You were still raped. Abortion didn't un-rape you.
0:27:13 > 0:27:19What we believe is for women who did go through that, we say,
0:27:19 > 0:27:21you know, we'll take care of you.
0:27:21 > 0:27:22But in my own experience, you know,
0:27:22 > 0:27:26I have met women who have been raped and it was in countries
0:27:26 > 0:27:27where abortion is illegal,
0:27:27 > 0:27:30and so they were forced to go through with the pregnancy,
0:27:30 > 0:27:32and they killed themselves.
0:27:32 > 0:27:34They just couldn't look at that child.
0:27:34 > 0:27:37So, it's so difficult for me, I can't tell you.
0:27:37 > 0:27:39It is difficult. It's not an easy question for them.
0:27:39 > 0:27:43I can only say that these things I believe to be true,
0:27:43 > 0:27:45and I want to offer compassion.
0:27:48 > 0:27:52'Today I would say I'm feeling quite drained, actually.
0:27:53 > 0:27:57'Sort of constantly on the back foot here.'
0:27:57 > 0:28:01There's always someone trying to get into your head and trying to
0:28:01 > 0:28:08understand why you can't see things from their point of view.
0:28:08 > 0:28:11They just, honestly, they...
0:28:11 > 0:28:15They can't comprehend how I can't adamantly believe...
0:28:17 > 0:28:22..that abortion is this abhorrent...
0:28:24 > 0:28:27..act that needs to be eradicated immediately.
0:28:29 > 0:28:33Today we're protesting again in one of LA's most alternative
0:28:33 > 0:28:36and hedonistic neighbourhoods - Venice Beach.
0:28:40 > 0:28:43This place is a zoo. OK?
0:28:43 > 0:28:46There's everything from drunks to addicts to...
0:28:46 > 0:28:49to people coming from all over the world.
0:28:49 > 0:28:52So it's going to be high traffic, OK?
0:28:52 > 0:28:55'This time, will I be able to toe the party line?'
0:28:55 > 0:28:59Honestly, I can't preach the message, but I'm here with you.
0:28:59 > 0:29:02Just, morally, this is such a big thing for me.
0:29:02 > 0:29:06To stand for something that you don't really believe in is quite tricky.
0:29:06 > 0:29:10Just answer the best answer that you can.
0:29:10 > 0:29:14Stay as close to the argument without violating your conscience.
0:29:14 > 0:29:16- Fair enough?- Yeah, that's fair.
0:29:16 > 0:29:19I will say, "The pro-lifers would say..."
0:29:20 > 0:29:24'Andres and the guys are soon engaging the public.'
0:29:24 > 0:29:27- I got that.- It has nothing to do with you. Two crazy people fucked.
0:29:27 > 0:29:30I'm sorry, but they want to kill a baby, that's up to them.
0:29:30 > 0:29:33Why are you getting involved with their situation?
0:29:33 > 0:29:35'And then it's my turn,
0:29:35 > 0:29:40'holding a hard-hitting image of a foetus aborted after 29 weeks.'
0:29:40 > 0:29:43- It was good. - What do you make of the message?
0:29:43 > 0:29:47- I hear all the message, no abortion. No abortion, right?- You agree?
0:29:47 > 0:29:51- We agree. We definitely agree - I... I...
0:29:51 > 0:29:53Would you like to come and talk to us?
0:29:53 > 0:29:56So, this is a picture of, erm...
0:29:56 > 0:29:59of an abortion in third trimester.
0:30:01 > 0:30:05My God! This is evil!
0:30:05 > 0:30:09I can't believe it. Are you helping?
0:30:09 > 0:30:11Are you involved in this in some way?
0:30:11 > 0:30:16So, Zaira is a pro-lifer, and she believes that the world,
0:30:16 > 0:30:22the country, would be a better place if abortion was made illegal.
0:30:22 > 0:30:25So, it'd be interesting to hear your take on that.
0:30:26 > 0:30:27I agree.
0:30:28 > 0:30:34'Staying on message and true to my beliefs is hugely difficult.'
0:30:34 > 0:30:37Say she was violently raped at age 18.
0:30:37 > 0:30:39I mean, you're talking about the rights of the child,
0:30:39 > 0:30:41what about the rights of the woman?
0:30:41 > 0:30:46'I must admit, although we disagree, I am growing fond of these kids.'
0:30:46 > 0:30:51- Jeff wants the more explicit signs in the middle.- OK.
0:30:51 > 0:30:55I think that you've come through the process and where you're at,
0:30:55 > 0:30:58I think that you're at a turning point emotionally.
0:30:58 > 0:31:01I can see where they're coming from,
0:31:01 > 0:31:05because they believe in their heart of hearts that it's...
0:31:05 > 0:31:08- it's a complete human, it is a living being.- Right.
0:31:10 > 0:31:13The most vulnerable within our society.
0:31:13 > 0:31:16God, I'm turning, Jeff! SHE LAUGHS
0:31:16 > 0:31:19I'm not. Maybe a little. SHE LAUGHS
0:31:19 > 0:31:21Thank you.
0:31:25 > 0:31:28There's only three days of camp left,
0:31:28 > 0:31:30and Jeff has shifted the activism up a gear.
0:31:33 > 0:31:36He's brought us to an abortion clinic belonging to
0:31:36 > 0:31:40Planned Parenthood, one of America's largest abortion providers.
0:31:41 > 0:31:45This wall was put up because of...
0:31:45 > 0:31:50They turned 27 women around out here in a 40-day period,
0:31:50 > 0:31:54to change their mind, and get help elsewhere and keep their baby.
0:31:54 > 0:31:57- So this wall is brand-new? - This wall is brand-new.
0:31:57 > 0:32:00It was built for us to stop us from talking to the women.
0:32:02 > 0:32:06Jeff's asked the students to write anti-abortion slogans
0:32:06 > 0:32:10to try and influence the staff and pregnant women inside.
0:32:10 > 0:32:14While the kids scrawl their slogans, a patient comes out.
0:32:17 > 0:32:22I've had an abortion, and you know what? It's my God-given right.
0:32:22 > 0:32:26The fact you come here and you use children, innocent children,
0:32:26 > 0:32:28that don't even know how to raise a baby.
0:32:28 > 0:32:33So how dare you come in here and say that we can't do this,
0:32:33 > 0:32:36- or that it's wrong? - Are you talking to me?
0:32:36 > 0:32:38I'm talking to any adult that brought these kids here...
0:32:38 > 0:32:42- That's Jeff.- ..for whatever reason you guys brought these children here to mark up here.
0:32:42 > 0:32:44Where is Jeff?
0:32:44 > 0:32:47You know how it affects the mother? How it affects me?
0:32:47 > 0:32:49That doesn't change what we're doing here.
0:32:49 > 0:32:51- So I have to bring a child into the world?- No.
0:32:51 > 0:32:53You know what, I'm not going to listen to you.
0:32:53 > 0:32:55You asked a question, I'd like to answer it, that's all.
0:32:55 > 0:32:57Cos you know what? That's wrong.
0:32:57 > 0:33:00'After covering the pavement with their messages,
0:33:00 > 0:33:02'the students make a quick exit.'
0:33:02 > 0:33:05All right, you guys, let's load it up.
0:33:05 > 0:33:08'I want to know what effect it's had on Bonnie, the patient.'
0:33:08 > 0:33:12It hurts me to see children, you know, being used.
0:33:12 > 0:33:16That could be my daughter, my 11-year-old daughter, writing that right there.
0:33:16 > 0:33:20And this could be her half-brother and sister. You know what I mean?
0:33:20 > 0:33:23And I have to... I have to make this choice.
0:33:23 > 0:33:26So I should be able to come to a place like this and do that.
0:33:26 > 0:33:31Does that make an already very difficult situation even more difficult?
0:33:31 > 0:33:34Yes. Yes, it does. It very does.
0:33:34 > 0:33:36Because you come out here and you see all the writing on the wall
0:33:36 > 0:33:40and it makes you feel guilt, it makes you feel shame. It turns it into anger.
0:33:40 > 0:33:45I carried guilt and shame for my...my three abortions ever since I did them.
0:33:45 > 0:33:48But I know that I've asked God to forgive me.
0:33:48 > 0:33:50This isn't a split-second decision.
0:33:50 > 0:33:52- You've given this serious thought. - Yes.
0:33:52 > 0:33:54- You've thought about it for a very long time.- Yes.
0:33:54 > 0:33:56- And it's the right decision for you. - Yes.
0:33:56 > 0:33:59'I'm upset about how Bonnie was treated,
0:33:59 > 0:34:02'and want to make my feelings known to the group.'
0:34:04 > 0:34:09Any time that we say it's OK to take an instrument
0:34:09 > 0:34:15and rip limbs off the body of a human being,
0:34:15 > 0:34:18simply cos somebody wants to live a different way,
0:34:18 > 0:34:21we've taken away their value.
0:34:21 > 0:34:25Do you feel like you did enough with that woman today outside Planned Parenthood?
0:34:25 > 0:34:27I tried to softly talk to her.
0:34:27 > 0:34:30And as soon as I actually answered her question,
0:34:30 > 0:34:33she obviously shut me off and didn't want an answer.
0:34:33 > 0:34:37Today was just a sidewalk chalk and somebody happened to come out and start yelling at them.
0:34:37 > 0:34:40That's real life. Having a conversation with that girl,
0:34:40 > 0:34:41Bonnie, I don't feel like...
0:34:41 > 0:34:45And I know you place such emphasis on making sure that the woman feels loved.
0:34:45 > 0:34:49I'm giving you feedback, almost - she didn't feel that.
0:34:49 > 0:34:51She didn't want to listen to us.
0:34:51 > 0:34:54I'm not going to, like, force her to listen to me, you know?
0:34:54 > 0:34:55Because then that would just be bad.
0:34:55 > 0:34:59That would seem like as a negative influence, and we don't want that.
0:34:59 > 0:35:02We have never been disrespectful towards women. We are pacifists.
0:35:02 > 0:35:06What happened this afternoon, I just didn't feel like that woman
0:35:06 > 0:35:10felt like she was loved and she had that complete support.
0:35:10 > 0:35:12If anything, it felt a bit hostile.
0:35:12 > 0:35:15We present what's perfect, we present the absolute truth.
0:35:15 > 0:35:16We're defending life.
0:35:16 > 0:35:20We may not present it well, but don't label the movement over the people.
0:35:20 > 0:35:23But, yeah, I appreciate your giving us this feedback on what the person thought.
0:35:23 > 0:35:27- And because we could always do better.- Yeah.
0:35:27 > 0:35:31'Andres' honesty is admirable, but I still wonder if kids this young
0:35:31 > 0:35:34'are capable of helping women like Bonnie.'
0:35:35 > 0:35:36Had enough today.
0:35:38 > 0:35:42Not one of you said, "Do you need a couple of minutes? Can I have a chat?"
0:35:42 > 0:35:45You wrote on the pavement, "Abortion is murder," and then you left.
0:35:45 > 0:35:49If you want to say I have rookie troops and they failed,
0:35:49 > 0:35:53I'll go with that. But I won't go that it was a matter of the heart.
0:35:53 > 0:35:56I feel like saying to the kids, "What are you going to do
0:35:56 > 0:35:59"to help this woman if you tell her not to go through with it?"
0:35:59 > 0:36:02I get calls all the time from people who are outside the clinics, OK?
0:36:02 > 0:36:05I house 18 women and their children.
0:36:05 > 0:36:08I have a girl that lived in one of my cabins,
0:36:08 > 0:36:10lived in my house and then lived in one of my cabins.
0:36:10 > 0:36:14- The fact is we do help them. - You do, Jeff.- No, not me alone.
0:36:14 > 0:36:16It happens all the time.
0:36:16 > 0:36:18But what kids have taken one of those women in?
0:36:18 > 0:36:21- Well, my daughter Janey...- No, the kids that are in this camp now.
0:36:21 > 0:36:24Well, the kids that are in the camp now, they are 16, 17 years old.
0:36:24 > 0:36:26- That's what I'm saying. - But they have resources.
0:36:26 > 0:36:32If you want to be perfect, don't go into the compassion business...
0:36:32 > 0:36:36- VOICE BREAKING:- Because you can never do enough.
0:36:36 > 0:36:38Jeff, please don't get... I don't want you to get upset.
0:36:38 > 0:36:41I've not come here to upset you. I'm just trying to be totally honest.
0:36:41 > 0:36:44No, no, no. I'm fine. It's just...
0:36:44 > 0:36:48VOICE BREAKING: I just don't understand how you can be such an awesome man, but...
0:36:49 > 0:36:53..not sympathise with this woman, and not understand...
0:36:53 > 0:36:57- But I do sympathise.- ..how tragic this is for her.- I do sympathise.
0:37:00 > 0:37:08Today was probably the most controversial day I've had so far.
0:37:08 > 0:37:13Dealing with real girls who are often in desperate situations.
0:37:15 > 0:37:18And my concern is that a lot of these kids,
0:37:18 > 0:37:22and a lot of these pro-lifers assume...
0:37:24 > 0:37:26..that girls, you know...
0:37:29 > 0:37:33..come to the decision very quickly, it's a very easy choice.
0:37:33 > 0:37:36You know, no-one skips into an abortion clinic.
0:37:38 > 0:37:40And that was very obvious for me today.
0:37:45 > 0:37:47Jeff says they have supported women
0:37:47 > 0:37:49that decided to not have an abortion,
0:37:49 > 0:37:54including accommodation, and even helping to pay for the education of some of the mothers.
0:37:54 > 0:37:56But I want to see proof.
0:37:56 > 0:37:57Say hi, baby.
0:37:59 > 0:38:03'Three years ago, ex-Survivor student Ashley met a mother-to-be
0:38:03 > 0:38:08'who was seeking an abortion and offered her an alternative.'
0:38:08 > 0:38:12- This is Stella. You say hello? - Hi, Stella.
0:38:12 > 0:38:15So you had a conversation with one of the girls, is that correct?
0:38:15 > 0:38:18Yes, I think she was about seven months pregnant
0:38:18 > 0:38:20- when I first met her.- Wow.
0:38:20 > 0:38:22And she's 15 years old. We met for dinner,
0:38:22 > 0:38:28and you could just tell she was just super scared, and she was alone.
0:38:28 > 0:38:31She was in the foster care system herself.
0:38:31 > 0:38:33She came from a very broken home.
0:38:33 > 0:38:40And her number-one reason for wanting an abortion was
0:38:40 > 0:38:42because she felt like she had no other option.
0:38:42 > 0:38:47And so it offered to her that if she chose life for the baby that,
0:38:47 > 0:38:51you know, I would adopt her baby if that's what you would want,
0:38:51 > 0:38:54or, you know, just to show her that there are couples.
0:38:54 > 0:38:56Yeah, that there are couples.
0:38:56 > 0:38:59You know, especially in the pro-life movement,
0:38:59 > 0:39:01that personally want to adopt children.
0:39:01 > 0:39:05So, yeah, over the course of a week, I convinced her.
0:39:05 > 0:39:07I said, "You have to make a choice. It is a ticking time bomb.
0:39:07 > 0:39:09"So we have to figure this out."
0:39:09 > 0:39:14So I take her to a pregnancy resource centre. At the end of the meeting - I wasn't in there -
0:39:14 > 0:39:18the counsellor came out and said, "She would like to speak with you."
0:39:18 > 0:39:21And I said, "OK." And my heart's racing, cos I'm like,
0:39:21 > 0:39:24"Lord, I hope she doesn't choose abortion."
0:39:24 > 0:39:27And that's when she said...
0:39:27 > 0:39:30- Sorry.- Don't say sorry. MAN CHUCKLES
0:39:30 > 0:39:32Don't say sorry.
0:39:32 > 0:39:34She said...
0:39:36 > 0:39:39"I've decided to not have an abortion,
0:39:39 > 0:39:44"and I would like for you and Charles to adopt my baby."
0:39:45 > 0:39:49And I immediately said, "Yes, we will."
0:39:49 > 0:39:51I called him and I said, "We're having a girl."
0:39:51 > 0:39:54And he's like, "What?!"
0:39:54 > 0:39:58And Charles is like, "Sweet, when is her due date?"
0:39:58 > 0:40:01He just was right on board from the beginning.
0:40:01 > 0:40:03- Surprised us, though. We weren't really expecting it.- Yeah.
0:40:03 > 0:40:05But it was a massive blessing.
0:40:05 > 0:40:09- We were blown away and just so happy.- We were blown away and so excited.
0:40:09 > 0:40:14How did the birth mother...deal with the enormity of the situation?
0:40:14 > 0:40:17I mean, she just had this peace about her, and she was like,
0:40:17 > 0:40:20"This is the right decision. I'm making the right decision.
0:40:20 > 0:40:22"I'm so thankful I didn't have an abortion.
0:40:22 > 0:40:26"At least, in this instance, something beautiful comes out of that pain."
0:40:26 > 0:40:31- Throughout this experience, we have an open adoption.- OK, yes.
0:40:31 > 0:40:33- So there's contact.- Yes.
0:40:33 > 0:40:36It's... We still care about her individually.
0:40:36 > 0:40:38I find myself... More times we're talking about each other,
0:40:38 > 0:40:41you know, or having a conversation together,
0:40:41 > 0:40:43and Stella is not even brought up,
0:40:43 > 0:40:47because we developed this relationship, this love for each other.
0:40:47 > 0:40:51You know, we are both the mother to Stella, just in different ways.
0:40:51 > 0:40:55It's been such a huge blessing, the whole process.
0:40:55 > 0:40:58- We would do it again in a heartbeat, too.- Wow!
0:40:58 > 0:41:01- Bye, baby.- You say "Bye, baby!" - STELLA:- Ba ba.
0:41:01 > 0:41:03Can you give a kiss?
0:41:05 > 0:41:09'One of the reasons I personally have an issue with the kids
0:41:09 > 0:41:13intervening is because, really and truly, they have no...
0:41:16 > 0:41:18..tangible solution.
0:41:18 > 0:41:24I hadn't, however, entertained the fact that they are obviously
0:41:24 > 0:41:28going to grow up into adults, and if they still feel passionately and...
0:41:28 > 0:41:32they are still banging the Survivors drum, they are going to be in
0:41:32 > 0:41:36a position where they are able to behave like Ashley and Charles have.
0:41:37 > 0:41:40And I can't argue with the fact that there's every chance...
0:41:42 > 0:41:44..Stella would have been aborted
0:41:44 > 0:41:47if they hadn't have interjected and so...
0:41:47 > 0:41:51to see Stella knocking about with her sister and...
0:41:54 > 0:41:57..playing with Jeff, it does...
0:41:59 > 0:42:03..put a different spin on things, and it is real food for thought.
0:42:04 > 0:42:07ACOUSTIC GUITAR
0:42:07 > 0:42:09It's the last night of camp.
0:42:09 > 0:42:12The students are holding a vigil at the abortion clinic
0:42:12 > 0:42:15and reflecting on their experiences.
0:42:15 > 0:42:18It's a really powerful thing to see how we can actually, like,
0:42:18 > 0:42:22just us, just a group of kids, can change a lot of people's minds,
0:42:22 > 0:42:25and we can actually save lives.
0:42:25 > 0:42:31- Thank you for everything. - APPLAUSE
0:42:32 > 0:42:34I felt this love from all y'all,
0:42:34 > 0:42:37and I felt this care that y'all all see towards any abortion.
0:42:37 > 0:42:40When I was talking to people I had that passion.
0:42:40 > 0:42:45I always felt like, "Man, I'm representing the absolute truth and I want to share with everybody."
0:42:45 > 0:42:46I think you're all beautiful kids.
0:42:46 > 0:42:49I think you've got the sweetest souls,
0:42:49 > 0:42:53and, yeah, I'm made up I've got a couple of new pals.
0:42:53 > 0:42:55Thank you so much. Thank you.
0:42:55 > 0:42:58APPLAUSE
0:42:58 > 0:43:01And I don't know if we changed her mind or not,
0:43:01 > 0:43:05but I think we will forever impact her in some way.
0:43:05 > 0:43:09And that's our purpose here. It's one person at a time, you know?
0:43:09 > 0:43:11'My time with Survivors is over.'
0:43:11 > 0:43:15- Hi, gang!- Hey!
0:43:15 > 0:43:19I would hope that Stacey is going to walk away with an understanding
0:43:19 > 0:43:25that pro-lifers aren't firebomb-throwing whack jobs, OK?
0:43:25 > 0:43:27Hey, we're just people that...
0:43:29 > 0:43:32..love unborn children, we believe they are fully human,
0:43:32 > 0:43:36just like you or I, and we're out to save them.
0:43:36 > 0:43:41And that may be passionate, and that may be loud, but it's not...
0:43:41 > 0:43:44It's not coming from a pool of hatred, it's coming from a pool of love.
0:43:49 > 0:43:51'I'll tell you what has surprised me
0:43:51 > 0:43:53'is the fact that all of these kids
0:43:53 > 0:43:55'seem to genuinely want to be here,
0:43:55 > 0:44:00'and they seem to love it and just get such a kick out of...
0:44:00 > 0:44:01'being here.'
0:44:05 > 0:44:10I've been really open-minded, I haven't been entirely dismissive,
0:44:10 > 0:44:13I've listened to the opposing argument.
0:44:13 > 0:44:17And from that, you know, it has given me food for thought.
0:44:17 > 0:44:19Abortion will always exist.
0:44:19 > 0:44:22I pray that I never find myself in a situation in the future
0:44:22 > 0:44:27where I have to entertain the idea of possibly going through with an abortion.
0:44:27 > 0:44:30But you just never know what your circumstances could be.
0:44:30 > 0:44:34I would want it to be legal and to be as safe as possible.
0:44:34 > 0:44:38- It's been fun.- Yeah, no, it has. Thank you.
0:44:38 > 0:44:41I think I would find it a lot harder,
0:44:41 > 0:44:45far more difficult to go through with an abortion
0:44:45 > 0:44:47if I was of the thought that the child,
0:44:47 > 0:44:51if I gave birth at that moment, could survive.
0:44:53 > 0:44:57And I'm not saying I would pass any judgment on any other girls
0:44:57 > 0:44:59with what they decide to do, but...
0:45:01 > 0:45:05..I think that would be a sticking point for me, actually.