0:00:02 > 0:00:04This programme contains scenes of a sexual nature
0:00:04 > 0:00:07This programme contains very strong language
0:00:07 > 0:00:09- That's the price we pay for being cheerleaders.- Yeah.
0:00:09 > 0:00:11Oh, my God!
0:00:11 > 0:00:16'In 1997 I made a documentary about the world of male porn performers
0:00:16 > 0:00:18'in Los Angeles...'
0:00:18 > 0:00:21I don't want to cause offence when I say that I look at him
0:00:21 > 0:00:24and I don't automatically think, "There's a porno performer".
0:00:24 > 0:00:28- Are you John Dough?- Hey. What's up? - How's it going? Louis from the BBC.
0:00:28 > 0:00:30Break a leg.
0:00:30 > 0:00:33'..finding out how difficult and stressful it can be
0:00:33 > 0:00:35'having sex on camera for a living.'
0:00:35 > 0:00:37Action.
0:00:37 > 0:00:39Let's cut. Cut! Let's break.
0:00:40 > 0:00:44It seems like the easiest job in the world, really. Let's face it.
0:00:44 > 0:00:45- It's not.- Really?
0:00:45 > 0:00:49Many, many men have tried and very few have made it.
0:00:49 > 0:00:50And action!
0:00:50 > 0:00:55'Fifteen years on, I'd heard about big changes in the industry.
0:00:55 > 0:01:00'Porn was struggling, under threat from piracy on the internet.'
0:01:00 > 0:01:05PornTube sites pretty much... killed the business.
0:01:05 > 0:01:06Killed it.
0:01:06 > 0:01:09If you've got a guy who's seen 500 porns, you know,
0:01:09 > 0:01:12whatever you're gonna do isn't gonna particularly astound him.
0:01:12 > 0:01:15- How you doing? - How are you, my friend?
0:01:15 > 0:01:18'And so I'd returned to LA, curious how my old friends were faring...'
0:01:18 > 0:01:21Good to see you.
0:01:21 > 0:01:26'..and to meet the new performers pursuing a dream of porn stardom
0:01:26 > 0:01:30'in an industry where a stable career was more elusive than ever.'
0:01:30 > 0:01:34You like girls, you like boys, you like getting tied up.
0:01:34 > 0:01:36The only thing... Actually, you like everything.
0:01:36 > 0:01:39Everybody has to be something at some point in their life
0:01:39 > 0:01:43that they may not want to do, but they do it because they have to.
0:01:43 > 0:01:47I am someone that does blow bangs, I am someone that does anal scenes.
0:01:47 > 0:01:51That's who I am. That's...who I'm becoming and I'm OK with that.
0:02:02 > 0:02:06'My journey was starting in the San Fernando Valley,
0:02:06 > 0:02:08'America's capital of porn.
0:02:09 > 0:02:14'Faced with competition from free YouTube-style porn sites,
0:02:14 > 0:02:18'studios have responded by making films with higher production values
0:02:18 > 0:02:21'for the couples market.
0:02:21 > 0:02:25'I'd been invited to the latest shoot by Wicked Pictures.
0:02:25 > 0:02:30'The male lead was the rising star Xander Corvus.'
0:02:30 > 0:02:34- How we doing? Nice to meet you. - Good. Nice to meet you too.
0:02:34 > 0:02:35- I'm Louis.- Xander.
0:02:35 > 0:02:37Xander.
0:02:37 > 0:02:39- You're a performer in the business. - I am.
0:02:39 > 0:02:43- How long have you been doing this? - About a year... A little over a year and a half.
0:02:43 > 0:02:47- You will be having sex with someone this afternoon on camera?- I will.
0:02:47 > 0:02:50Erm... I feel like an asshole.
0:02:50 > 0:02:52Alex... Alexa I think her name is.
0:02:52 > 0:02:54- Have you seen her yet?- No.
0:02:54 > 0:02:58- Have ever you done a scene with her before?- No.
0:02:58 > 0:03:01Is it important that you find her attractive?
0:03:01 > 0:03:05I've had to do scenes with girls I wasn't particularly attracted to
0:03:05 > 0:03:08but, you know, I'd get it up anyway.
0:03:08 > 0:03:12I mean, I'm 23... I just turned 23, so it's usually not a problem,
0:03:12 > 0:03:15and if it is, it's like, "OK, sialis. Cool, we're good".
0:03:15 > 0:03:17- Sialis?- Boner pill.
0:03:17 > 0:03:21- It's like Viagra? - Yeah. You get it at any doctor.
0:03:21 > 0:03:24But we go to, like, the porn doctor, basically.
0:03:24 > 0:03:25So what is this called, this movie?
0:03:25 > 0:03:28Erm... I don't know.
0:03:28 > 0:03:30I forget.
0:03:30 > 0:03:33- We have the white virginous kind of look here.- Mmm.
0:03:33 > 0:03:37'The film's director, Brad Armstrong, was also an occasional performer.'
0:03:37 > 0:03:40- Brad, have you worked with Alexa before?- I have indeed.- Yeah.
0:03:40 > 0:03:44Let me just say that Alexa's a lot of fun.
0:03:44 > 0:03:48I mean, you've directed her, but did you mean that you've also performed with Alexa?
0:03:48 > 0:03:51- Oh, we've made the sweet love a number of times.- Yeah.- She's fun.
0:03:51 > 0:03:53Step.
0:03:53 > 0:03:56Step. Step.
0:03:56 > 0:03:58Step.
0:03:58 > 0:04:04Step. Look deep into each other's eyes without touching.
0:04:04 > 0:04:08Is it set in a period, a certain period of history, Brad?
0:04:08 > 0:04:11It's not so much a specific period, but it's period-esque.
0:04:11 > 0:04:15You know, in the romance novel, there's always that guy with the open pirate-esque shirt
0:04:15 > 0:04:18and the girl in her little kind of Spanish...
0:04:18 > 0:04:20- It's just sort of in romance land. - Romance land.
0:04:20 > 0:04:23And kiss.
0:04:28 > 0:04:30Do you recommend it as a lifestyle,
0:04:30 > 0:04:35because it's a very particular kind of a business to be in, isn't it?
0:04:35 > 0:04:37It depends on the person.
0:04:37 > 0:04:40If you're straight and business minded,
0:04:40 > 0:04:44- like Nicole's going for her Bachelor's right now.- Who's Nicole?
0:04:44 > 0:04:45Sorry. Erm...
0:04:45 > 0:04:49What's the chick over there? What's the girl's name?
0:04:49 > 0:04:51- LAUGHTER - Alexa, sorry.
0:04:51 > 0:04:53- Alexa or Nicole?- Alexa Nicole.
0:04:53 > 0:04:56- Her first name is Alexa and her last name is Nicole?- Exactly.
0:04:56 > 0:04:59So you very much get a wide variety...
0:04:59 > 0:05:01You've had sex with her a couple of times
0:05:01 > 0:05:03- and you didn't remember her name. - No, I just blanked.
0:05:03 > 0:05:06And action.
0:05:06 > 0:05:07Michael...
0:05:07 > 0:05:09I can't.
0:05:09 > 0:05:13My father will never allow this, you know this.
0:05:13 > 0:05:15- Do that line one more time. - Which one?
0:05:15 > 0:05:21Hers. "I know that my father will never allow it. You know this".
0:05:21 > 0:05:24- Not "this" and "this'.- OK.
0:05:24 > 0:05:26And go from there, and action.
0:05:26 > 0:05:27I know...
0:05:27 > 0:05:29- Fuck!- And I too.
0:05:29 > 0:05:32I know, and I you. As in, I love you too.
0:05:32 > 0:05:34Are you enjoying the scene?
0:05:34 > 0:05:37Yeah, dude, she's great. I'm really feeling her.
0:05:37 > 0:05:41I think we have a pretty good chemistry going so that's good.
0:05:41 > 0:05:45- It's work, isn't it?- Yeah, it's work.- It's not sex for pleasure.
0:05:45 > 0:05:48It's fun, but it's definitely not sex for pleasure.
0:05:48 > 0:05:52- How you doing, Brad? - So far, so good.- Are they OK?
0:05:52 > 0:05:56Are they just moving... He's walking around with his willy out.
0:05:56 > 0:05:59- Yeah, it's... - Isn't that... look at that.
0:05:59 > 0:06:01Some people are a little more...
0:06:03 > 0:06:06..flamboyant than others with their penis out.
0:06:06 > 0:06:08Yeah! Oh!
0:06:08 > 0:06:10Oh!
0:06:10 > 0:06:11Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh!
0:06:11 > 0:06:14No, less porno.
0:06:14 > 0:06:16"Yes, yes, yes".
0:06:16 > 0:06:17Yes, yes.
0:06:20 > 0:06:23Cool. You got it and I got it.
0:06:23 > 0:06:27How did that go? Do you feel closer now that you've just had sex?
0:06:27 > 0:06:28It was a pretty romantic scene.
0:06:28 > 0:06:31We're not gonna run and get married but it definitely, like,
0:06:31 > 0:06:35- opens a lot of doors to a person we're more comfortable around.- Yeah.
0:06:35 > 0:06:38There's something quite touching about seeing you there like that,
0:06:38 > 0:06:41how your legs are crossed over like that.
0:06:41 > 0:06:44- It's almost like you've just had a romantic moment.- We did.- Yeah.
0:06:44 > 0:06:45Sure did.
0:06:45 > 0:06:50- Do you have a boyfriend, Alexa? - Yeah. Yes, I do.
0:06:50 > 0:06:53- Who you live with?- Yes. - Kids?- No.
0:06:53 > 0:06:56- Would you like to have kids one day? - Definitely.
0:06:56 > 0:07:00You're not worried about your kids seeing something, seeing one of your scenes?
0:07:00 > 0:07:05Not at all. And if they were to, I think sex is perfectly natural,
0:07:05 > 0:07:08so I don't think it's anything that someone should be ashamed of.
0:07:23 > 0:07:26'My next stop was the offices
0:07:26 > 0:07:31'of one of the industry's leading talent agencies, LA Direct.
0:07:32 > 0:07:37'Its founder and CEO is the performer known as Ben English.
0:07:37 > 0:07:41'His real name, Derek Hay.'
0:07:41 > 0:07:43- Louis.- Hello.- How you doing?
0:07:43 > 0:07:46- Ah, how are you? - Nice to meet you. Yeah, good.
0:07:46 > 0:07:48Now, you've got a busy day. What have you got going on?
0:07:48 > 0:07:52I'm not sure how many shoots but there's today's schedule.
0:07:52 > 0:07:55She's doing an unusual shoot, actually.
0:07:55 > 0:07:59She's doing a gangbang, which a lot of people say 'gangbang'
0:07:59 > 0:08:03when you're talking about the porn industry, but actually it's pretty rare.
0:08:03 > 0:08:05Is there a rate for a gangbang?
0:08:05 > 0:08:08Would there be a going rate for something like that?
0:08:08 > 0:08:12Anywhere from...
0:08:12 > 0:08:143,000 to 8,000.
0:08:14 > 0:08:18I don't know if people consider that a lot or not.
0:08:18 > 0:08:19I don't know. Yeah.
0:08:19 > 0:08:22For a gangbang, is it a lot? I don't know.
0:08:23 > 0:08:27'A few doors down from Derek is his number two, Fran Smidor.'
0:08:27 > 0:08:31- Hello.- Hello.- You must be Fran. - I might be. Who wants to know?
0:08:31 > 0:08:34- Louis.- Louis?- How do you do?
0:08:34 > 0:08:37So is that what you pay the talent with?
0:08:37 > 0:08:40Erm... some of it is for the talent, yes.
0:08:40 > 0:08:42Most of them are cheques.
0:08:42 > 0:08:45- How's business? - Could always be better.
0:08:45 > 0:08:49Do you think the internet and piracy and free porn on the internet has had an impact?
0:08:49 > 0:08:51Yes. Devastatingly.
0:08:51 > 0:08:55How has that had a knock-on effect on the industry and the performers?
0:08:56 > 0:08:58Less work.
0:08:58 > 0:09:03There's less work and there's an abundance, because of the economy, of performers.
0:09:03 > 0:09:07There aren't enough people shooting to give everybody a day's work.
0:09:07 > 0:09:11You see a lot of people coming in here and saying that, you know,
0:09:11 > 0:09:13they want to be in adult movies, right?
0:09:13 > 0:09:17Do you give them a talk where you explain what the consequences are
0:09:17 > 0:09:20and how it's likely to affect them and have they thought it through?
0:09:20 > 0:09:22- No.- Why not?
0:09:22 > 0:09:24Because I would talk half... three quarters of the girls
0:09:24 > 0:09:27out of the business and we wouldn't be in business.
0:09:27 > 0:09:31I'm here to promote the adult industry, not put a curse on it.
0:09:31 > 0:09:33Jinx, Jinx, Jinx.
0:09:33 > 0:09:37- Fran, do you get on with Jinx pretty well?- Can't stand the sight of her.
0:09:37 > 0:09:42- Can't stand the sight? She's a good earner for you. - Is she? Are you a good earner?
0:09:42 > 0:09:46What have you got? Because you're always trying to short me.
0:09:46 > 0:09:49This is what they do. They think I was born yesterday.
0:09:49 > 0:09:52- Well, she's come in to give you the money, Fran.- Here you go.
0:09:52 > 0:09:55- Are you working this week, Jinx? - Yeah, I'm working tomorrow.
0:09:55 > 0:09:59- What are you doing?- I'm getting a pound in my ass tomorrow.
0:10:00 > 0:10:04Do you have respect for what they do, the performers?
0:10:05 > 0:10:08Because it's a lot of work, isn't it? Or it can be.
0:10:08 > 0:10:11I think working 64 hours a week in an office is hard work.
0:10:11 > 0:10:17I don't think going to set and fucking someone is as hard as we have to do on a daily basis.
0:10:17 > 0:10:20- It's not something I would want for my child.- Why not?
0:10:20 > 0:10:24Because it fucks with their heads and I don't want to be the mother of a whore.
0:10:24 > 0:10:26I take care of...
0:10:26 > 0:10:27Hi.
0:10:27 > 0:10:29- Hi.- Brownie cam.
0:10:29 > 0:10:31- I'm Louis.- I'm Stefania.- Stefania?
0:10:31 > 0:10:34Stefania is another of your clients?
0:10:34 > 0:10:35Yes.
0:10:35 > 0:10:37- Performers?- Yes.
0:10:37 > 0:10:40- And how long have you been doing it, Stefania?- I just started.
0:10:40 > 0:10:42I did, like, three shoots so far.
0:10:42 > 0:10:44- Oh, well. OK, so you're pretty new...- Yes, I am.
0:10:44 > 0:10:46..to the whole thing. And how's it going for you?
0:10:46 > 0:10:49- It's going pretty good.- Yeah? - Yeah. I like it, I enjoy it.
0:10:49 > 0:10:52- How old are you?- I'm 22.- 22?- Yes.
0:10:52 > 0:10:55- So you've done three scenes, did you say?- I did three scenes. - So what were they?
0:10:55 > 0:10:59Two scenes was boy/girl scenes and one was anal.
0:10:59 > 0:11:00Yeah.
0:11:00 > 0:11:02Had you ever done anal before?
0:11:02 > 0:11:08I actually, like, in my real life, I really don't do much anal,
0:11:08 > 0:11:10but on cam I do.
0:11:10 > 0:11:12So if you don't do it in private,
0:11:12 > 0:11:15that would suggest maybe you don't enjoy it that much?
0:11:15 > 0:11:18I don't enjoy it that much, but I can make it enjoyable.
0:11:18 > 0:11:22- I'm not sure that I agree with your question.- Well... - I can think of a lot of things
0:11:22 > 0:11:25that we don't do in our personal life that we do at work.
0:11:25 > 0:11:26Yeah.
0:11:26 > 0:11:31I really regard models in the adult industry as sexual athletes
0:11:31 > 0:11:35so, you know, I don't think that you can say
0:11:35 > 0:11:39whatever they do on camera as actresses, you know,
0:11:39 > 0:11:41they would necessarily do in their personal life.
0:11:41 > 0:11:43I feel sure that they don't.
0:11:47 > 0:11:49- How you doing?- I'm good, how are you?- All right.
0:11:49 > 0:11:52- Nice to meet you. What's your name? - Likewise. Barry.- Barry?- Yeah.
0:11:52 > 0:11:54- Brandy.- Brandy? Louis.- Nice to meet you.- Nice to meet you.
0:11:54 > 0:11:58- You're a performer?- I'm a performer. - And are you going out with Brandy? - This is my wife.
0:11:58 > 0:12:01- You're married.- Yeah.- And you're both in the industry?
0:12:01 > 0:12:04- Yes.- And you both have sex on camera with other people for a living? - Yeah.
0:12:04 > 0:12:07She has a certain "yes" list of dudes she works with
0:12:07 > 0:12:10and I have a certain, like, criteria of things I do and don't do.
0:12:10 > 0:12:12What's your list of things you won't do?
0:12:12 > 0:12:14THEY CHUCKLE
0:12:14 > 0:12:17I won't do... I don't do gangbangs any more, blow bangs,
0:12:17 > 0:12:22any type of double anal or double vaginal, anything like that.
0:12:22 > 0:12:24And so what are the reasons for those rules?
0:12:24 > 0:12:27I'm just not down with rubbing my cock up against another dude's cock.
0:12:27 > 0:12:30SHE LAUGHS
0:12:30 > 0:12:32- Any more.- Any more, yeah. - You did do it?
0:12:32 > 0:12:33THEY LAUGH
0:12:33 > 0:12:35Any more than I have done.
0:12:37 > 0:12:40When I was here last time, there were a few guys who I met,
0:12:40 > 0:12:44and I'm curious to sort of know if they're still in the business and how they've made out.
0:12:44 > 0:12:46One was John Dough.
0:12:46 > 0:12:50Who you know has passed some years ago, right?
0:12:50 > 0:12:52Do you know what happened?
0:12:52 > 0:12:55You mean, to cause his death?
0:12:55 > 0:12:56Yes.
0:12:56 > 0:12:58If depression is the correct word,
0:12:58 > 0:13:02I think it is related to the sort of struggle of, you know,
0:13:02 > 0:13:04the on-set, the industry and,
0:13:04 > 0:13:08you know, some years ago, whatever, 2007 or so, you know,
0:13:08 > 0:13:15where we...the decline of the DVD market and...
0:13:15 > 0:13:21you know, a lot of studios and directors sort of found it a struggle to stay viable.
0:13:21 > 0:13:26You think him killing himself had something to do with the DVD market?
0:13:26 > 0:13:33Well, I think that his... I think that he was one of many
0:13:33 > 0:13:37who found their business in difficulty.
0:13:37 > 0:13:40Do you know how he killed himself?
0:13:40 > 0:13:42No. Do you?
0:13:42 > 0:13:43No.
0:13:47 > 0:13:50'With their earnings in the doldrums,
0:13:50 > 0:13:55'porn performers are having to be creative about how they make money.
0:13:55 > 0:14:00'To learn more, I was visiting the home of LA Direct model Kagney Linn Karter.'
0:14:00 > 0:14:02- Hello?- Hello.
0:14:02 > 0:14:03Can we come in?
0:14:03 > 0:14:05- I'm Louis. - Kagney. Nice to meet you.
0:14:05 > 0:14:08- Kagney, nice to meet you. And you are Montae?- Montae.
0:14:08 > 0:14:10- How you doing? Nice to meet you. - Same here.
0:14:10 > 0:14:12I'm going to use the rest room, I'll be about 20 minutes.
0:14:12 > 0:14:15- You're going to have a bath? Is that right?- Yeah.
0:14:15 > 0:14:18You're going to clean yourself up, get ready for what's about to happen?
0:14:18 > 0:14:21- Yeah, I'm going to get ready for the live show.- What is the live show?
0:14:21 > 0:14:25It's just a live webcam that I do probably like once or twice a month.
0:14:25 > 0:14:28And you'll just be a solo performer in this?
0:14:28 > 0:14:29Yeah, just solo.
0:14:32 > 0:14:35- Montae, you are Kagney's significant other?- Yes.
0:14:35 > 0:14:37- Husband?- No.- No.
0:14:37 > 0:14:41- Not married.- Hoping to be? - Yeah, eventually, some day.
0:14:41 > 0:14:47- What do you do?- I am a full-time assistant to my girlfriend.- Mm-hm.
0:14:47 > 0:14:51Do you have rules about what she can't do or, you know, what you're comfortable with?
0:14:51 > 0:14:55I give my input, I give my input on what I believe that,
0:14:55 > 0:14:57you know, she should probably refrain from doing.
0:14:57 > 0:14:58Like?
0:14:58 > 0:15:03Er... Like, for example, her agent called today
0:15:03 > 0:15:08and asked her did she want to do a boy/girl scene,
0:15:08 > 0:15:12but after the boy/girl scene, five guys come and ejaculate on her.
0:15:12 > 0:15:15So you expressed a preference that she not do that?
0:15:15 > 0:15:17- Of course. I mean, I'd rather... - But what did she say?
0:15:17 > 0:15:19DOOR OPENS
0:15:19 > 0:15:21She said she was going to do it, you know?
0:15:21 > 0:15:24Montae was saying about this scene that you had coming up
0:15:24 > 0:15:27and about whether you should let these guys
0:15:27 > 0:15:29kind of finish their business on you.
0:15:29 > 0:15:33I mean, he didn't want to talk about it, so I'm actually surprised that he brought it up with you guys,
0:15:33 > 0:15:35cos, babe, you wouldn't even talk with me about it.
0:15:35 > 0:15:40Yeah, I mean, I'm always going to have my opinion, so...
0:15:40 > 0:15:43especially if your agent says that he doesn't think that she should do it.
0:15:43 > 0:15:47- You saying that I couldn't do it cuts me out of two grand and that... - No, I didn't say...
0:15:47 > 0:15:51- ..cut us out of money to go on vacation and do nice things for ourself.- I never did say...
0:15:51 > 0:15:55- So that I can buy you the clothes that you wear, Montae.- I never did say that you couldn't do it.
0:15:55 > 0:15:59Kagney, you would maybe want to respect his feelings, though,
0:15:59 > 0:16:03if he was upset by something that you chose to do?
0:16:03 > 0:16:05Are you upset, really? Like, you're upset now?
0:16:05 > 0:16:08- I didn't say that I was upset.- You didn't, no.- I never did say that.
0:16:08 > 0:16:11- Of course I want to respect his feelings.- That's the thing.
0:16:11 > 0:16:13But sometimes he doesn't know what's best for me
0:16:13 > 0:16:16and I know what's best for us because I've been doing this for a long time now,
0:16:16 > 0:16:18so he sometimes doesn't understand that the reason why
0:16:18 > 0:16:22- I do certain scenes is not cos I'm just a big whore... - No, I know! That's crazy!
0:16:22 > 0:16:24..and I would get fucking five loads on my face.
0:16:24 > 0:16:28It's because I know that that's going to be the type of scene that might possibly win me an award.
0:16:28 > 0:16:31As an outsider to the business, you know,
0:16:31 > 0:16:33and sort of representing people at home,
0:16:33 > 0:16:39what I would see is that Montae is already taking a lot
0:16:39 > 0:16:42by seeing the person he loves most in the world
0:16:42 > 0:16:44performing sex acts with other people.
0:16:44 > 0:16:48OK, but Montae also gets to have lots of days off
0:16:48 > 0:16:51where he sits around the house and plays video games all day too,
0:16:51 > 0:16:54so OK, like, Montae gets whatever he wants.
0:16:54 > 0:16:57He has a really good life that I have provided for him,
0:16:57 > 0:17:00so Montae has it easy.
0:17:01 > 0:17:02Hi, everyone.
0:17:02 > 0:17:03BEEP
0:17:03 > 0:17:05Hi, guys.
0:17:05 > 0:17:07BEEP
0:17:07 > 0:17:09- Sorry, I'm a little late, guys. - BEEP
0:17:09 > 0:17:11OK, yeah, that's good.
0:17:11 > 0:17:13Fuck, yeah, that's what I want to hear.
0:17:13 > 0:17:14SHE CHUCKLES
0:17:14 > 0:17:17My favourite position...
0:17:17 > 0:17:18I'm kind of old fashioned.
0:17:18 > 0:17:22I just like missionary or, like, scissors.
0:17:24 > 0:17:25How did it go?
0:17:25 > 0:17:27It was good. I made 100 bucks.
0:17:27 > 0:17:31Do you have a plan as far as how far you'll go with this?
0:17:31 > 0:17:33I definitely want to do, like, another seven years,
0:17:33 > 0:17:38and, by then, I think that me and Montae will retire and,
0:17:38 > 0:17:42I mean, everything that I choose to do and whatever I might do
0:17:42 > 0:17:47is just, you know, to secure a better future for us.
0:17:47 > 0:17:51I'm always thinking about the future and it's a little bit...
0:17:51 > 0:17:54Sometimes it's kind of wearing and, like, I tell Montae,
0:17:54 > 0:17:58you know, like, I'm sorry that I'm always so concerned about money and things like that
0:17:58 > 0:18:04but, for me, it's just really important that one day I don't have to do this any more.
0:18:04 > 0:18:08Some of the women that are involved, they don't have a ten-year plan.
0:18:08 > 0:18:11It's more about getting their pay cheque,
0:18:11 > 0:18:15going to buy the new Christian Louboutins that they could fit on their feet.
0:18:15 > 0:18:17It's not like that with her.
0:18:17 > 0:18:21If you were... She actually has a plan of action.
0:18:25 > 0:18:30'Kagney brought an incongruous professionalism to her commitment to extreme porn,
0:18:30 > 0:18:35'but it was hard not to worry about the toll it might take on her relationship.
0:18:40 > 0:18:44'In 1997, when I'd made my original documentary,
0:18:44 > 0:18:49'one of the performers I'd focused on was a newcomer to the business.
0:18:49 > 0:18:51'His porn name was JJ Michaels.'
0:18:54 > 0:18:56- Hi.- Hey.
0:18:56 > 0:19:00- How you doing?- All right. Good to see you.- Good to see you.
0:19:00 > 0:19:02- Can we come in? - Of course. Come on in.
0:19:02 > 0:19:04'Don't you think, like, with two people who are HIV positive,
0:19:04 > 0:19:07'it's just a matter of time before there's more.
0:19:07 > 0:19:08I mean, you must be worried.
0:19:08 > 0:19:11I mean, you, basically you have unprotected sex.
0:19:11 > 0:19:15Yeah, but I don't think about it so...I assume I'm safe, you know?
0:19:15 > 0:19:18And that way, I don't go home and worry every night.
0:19:18 > 0:19:20If you did that, you'd just quit.
0:19:20 > 0:19:23Well, maybe quitting wouldn't be a bad option in that case.
0:19:23 > 0:19:26Well, that's... No, I guess if you're worried about it, yeah,
0:19:26 > 0:19:28whereas I don't so, you know.
0:19:28 > 0:19:31'15 years on, JJ was out of the business
0:19:31 > 0:19:34'and now working in IT in suburban Missouri.'
0:19:34 > 0:19:38I wasn't comfortable talking about it. I mean, no.
0:19:38 > 0:19:41Ah, there, the Jimmy Bone one, I think I told you about this one.
0:19:41 > 0:19:43It was the James Bond spoof that I...
0:19:43 > 0:19:46- Oh, yeah, you directed that one, didn't you?- Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was one I directed.
0:19:46 > 0:19:50It was a silly James Bond spoof. That was a two-parter. That's pretty cool.
0:19:50 > 0:19:53- Yeah, these are like some old, old just VHSs.- Naked Outdoors.
0:19:53 > 0:19:54Naughty Little Nymphos.
0:19:54 > 0:19:56Is It Wrong To Be Sodomised?
0:19:56 > 0:19:59Young And Anal. Gutter Mouths Eight.
0:19:59 > 0:20:01When we met, it was in early '97.
0:20:01 > 0:20:04You stayed in after that for three years?
0:20:04 > 0:20:06- Yes.- And how did you find it?
0:20:06 > 0:20:08Wasn't bad.
0:20:08 > 0:20:11I mean, especially, like, the second year and, you know,
0:20:11 > 0:20:14when I really knew people and I felt comfortable.
0:20:14 > 0:20:18It wasn't like I was meeting new people every time I went to a set I knew all the crew.
0:20:18 > 0:20:21I was married in '99 to another actress
0:20:21 > 0:20:25and my little brother died at the end of '99,
0:20:25 > 0:20:31and when that happened I took, like, a month or so off and...
0:20:31 > 0:20:32How did he die?
0:20:32 > 0:20:35Er...drug overdose.
0:20:35 > 0:20:38Getting into the business was caused by the death of my son.
0:20:38 > 0:20:40In a way, it kind of shocked me and did something
0:20:40 > 0:20:43and this, in essence, kind of got me out.
0:20:43 > 0:20:44It just made me re-think, like,
0:20:44 > 0:20:46"Well, do I really want to do this for ever?"
0:20:46 > 0:20:50You think you got in because of the death of your baby son?
0:20:50 > 0:20:56I think my recklessness was part of that,
0:20:56 > 0:20:58part of that emotion,
0:20:58 > 0:21:01and I think that entire mentality came from that.
0:21:01 > 0:21:04I mean, experiencing such a loss does a lot to you
0:21:04 > 0:21:08and, at that point in my life, I was like, "Well, what do I have to lose?"
0:21:08 > 0:21:09How did your son die?
0:21:09 > 0:21:11It was from SIDS.
0:21:11 > 0:21:14That's is that cot death, basically? Sudden Infant Death.
0:21:14 > 0:21:19Yeah, yeah, it's the same as British cot death. Yeah, he was seven and a half months.
0:21:21 > 0:21:24I never realised those two events went together like that.
0:21:24 > 0:21:26I wasn't comfortable talking about it. I mean...
0:21:26 > 0:21:31certain things like that, it takes a long time to even be comfortable
0:21:31 > 0:21:36discussing them or relating to them, understanding them
0:21:36 > 0:21:39and, you know, obviously now I can.
0:21:39 > 0:21:42So this is the room where I have my set-up here.
0:21:42 > 0:21:45This is where I record my demos. I use the keyboard.
0:21:45 > 0:21:47What kind of lyrics do you write?
0:21:47 > 0:21:51Well, this concept for the first album, it's a main character
0:21:51 > 0:21:54who goes into a mental hospital
0:21:54 > 0:21:59because he was arrested for killing his girlfriend.
0:21:59 > 0:22:03But, in the end, he actually didn't do it.
0:22:03 > 0:22:05When you lose someone, you know, when I did,
0:22:05 > 0:22:08you feel an overwhelming sense of guilt about it, like it's your fault,
0:22:08 > 0:22:13and the main character in this believes he killed this girl that he loves...
0:22:16 > 0:22:18- ..but he didn't. - And it is metal?
0:22:18 > 0:22:19Yes.
0:22:19 > 0:22:23Yeah, definitely, it's a... I call it progressive power thrash metal.
0:22:23 > 0:22:27MUSIC PLAYS
0:22:27 > 0:22:30'One of the things that happened in the time
0:22:30 > 0:22:33'since we taped that show was that John Dough died.
0:22:33 > 0:22:35'What do you know about that?'
0:22:35 > 0:22:40I remember when one of my friends called me and said that he'd... hung himself, I believe.
0:22:40 > 0:22:42It was kind of... I mean, it was kind of shocking.
0:22:42 > 0:22:45You're like, "Well, OK, why?"
0:22:45 > 0:22:48I mean, it's a stressful job, obviously.
0:22:48 > 0:22:52It's horribly stressful and by 2006, er...
0:22:52 > 0:22:55I mean, the industry had changed quite a bit.
0:22:55 > 0:22:58Was it the fact that there were so many new guys coming in,
0:22:58 > 0:23:00the industry was spreading out, it was breaking apart,
0:23:00 > 0:23:04the sense of family was gone and he really felt like he was alone,
0:23:04 > 0:23:06you know, spread out over so much?
0:23:06 > 0:23:10It's going to have an emotional impact on you in that business.
0:23:10 > 0:23:12Is it a difficult time for performers now?
0:23:12 > 0:23:17Yeah. I mean, the way it is now, within five years,
0:23:17 > 0:23:21I don't see how there could be a professional porn actor.
0:23:29 > 0:23:32Back in California, and on the northern outskirts of LA,
0:23:32 > 0:23:36I was off to meet an industry veteran called Tommy Gunn.
0:23:37 > 0:23:39'I was curious to get to know someone
0:23:39 > 0:23:42'who was on the verge of middle age,
0:23:42 > 0:23:45'still making a living performing in adult movies.'
0:23:45 > 0:23:47How you doing?
0:23:47 > 0:23:49What's up, man? You can park anywhere, that's good.
0:23:49 > 0:23:51- How are you?- OK. Are you sure?
0:23:51 > 0:23:55'I heard Tommy was struggling with the emotional side of the business.'
0:23:55 > 0:23:57- Come on out. Welcome. - Thank you.- How are you?
0:23:57 > 0:23:59- Nice to meet you. I'm Louis. - It's a pleasure. Tommy.
0:23:59 > 0:24:01I was collecting for a while there.
0:24:01 > 0:24:04HE CHUCKLES
0:24:04 > 0:24:08I pretty much won everything they make.
0:24:08 > 0:24:10You're known as a very dependable performer, is that correct?
0:24:10 > 0:24:15Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Not to mention, I'm not a bad actor, so...
0:24:15 > 0:24:18Are there things you won't do? Do you have rules?
0:24:18 > 0:24:22You know, I try to be able to be well-rounded enough to do it all,
0:24:22 > 0:24:25because that's what was going to separate me
0:24:25 > 0:24:28from the next guy who said, "I only do boy/girl."
0:24:28 > 0:24:33Who's comfortable with being next to a guy this close and a girl?
0:24:33 > 0:24:36That's, you know, it is what it is.
0:24:36 > 0:24:39Most of the time we know each other anyway. "How you been?"
0:24:39 > 0:24:40"Good." "That's good," you know?
0:24:40 > 0:24:44I don't want to show up and I never met the guy before and he's just like...
0:24:44 > 0:24:47I'd rather know him, like, like, "Hey,"
0:24:47 > 0:24:52cos now it's just like two friends having sex with a girl, you know, and it works.
0:24:54 > 0:24:57There's some of the movies up there. These so minimal, these are just...
0:24:57 > 0:24:59You've done how many movies, did you say?
0:24:59 > 0:25:02Upward of 1,100, 1,200 at this point.
0:25:02 > 0:25:05This was kind of a cool movie, Vivids To Die For. That was me.
0:25:05 > 0:25:08Would that be your penis on the back there?
0:25:08 > 0:25:10No.
0:25:10 > 0:25:13Do you feel you have a connection with the women that you work with?
0:25:13 > 0:25:16- Once you've, you know, had sex with them...- Well...
0:25:16 > 0:25:19..does it then feel as though you've shared something?
0:25:19 > 0:25:21Yeah, for me.
0:25:21 > 0:25:22Some people may not think that
0:25:22 > 0:25:25but, you know, for me, there's gotta be some intimacy.
0:25:25 > 0:25:27I mean, it's an intimate act, isn't it?
0:25:27 > 0:25:31In terms of timing for me, when I got into the business, it worked.
0:25:31 > 0:25:34I'd just go and I'd have sex with this girl and then I'm done, they pay me
0:25:34 > 0:25:37and I leave and I go do my thing, and my heart's not involved.
0:25:37 > 0:25:39Well, guess what? Through time and repetition,
0:25:39 > 0:25:41eventually you do have a heart
0:25:41 > 0:25:47and it does show its face and it does call out for attention, you know?
0:25:47 > 0:25:49I love the business, don't get me wrong,
0:25:49 > 0:25:52but, at the end of the day, I'm getting older,
0:25:52 > 0:25:54I'd like to have kids, it would be nice to raise a family.
0:25:54 > 0:25:58It's difficult having a career like this.
0:25:58 > 0:26:02A lot of the performers I've spoken to won't acknowledge that.
0:26:02 > 0:26:06They don't acknowledge that there's something intimate about the sex act
0:26:06 > 0:26:08- and that that can take a toll on your...- Sure.
0:26:08 > 0:26:10..on your relationships.
0:26:10 > 0:26:13Maybe if they were to acknowledge that, maybe that would show
0:26:13 > 0:26:15that they have a human side of some sort
0:26:15 > 0:26:17and there is some sort of emotional thing there
0:26:17 > 0:26:21and the last thing they want to do is appear to be vulnerable.
0:26:21 > 0:26:24And maybe also it would be difficult to live with themselves,
0:26:24 > 0:26:28knowing that there's something about the business that they've chosen, intrinsically,
0:26:28 > 0:26:33that is...that has a coarsening effect on the human spirit.
0:26:33 > 0:26:36Yeah. Everything you gain, you've gotta lose something. What did I lose?
0:26:36 > 0:26:38I lost my private intimate sex life
0:26:38 > 0:26:43in order to have a job doing sex and being paid for it on camera.
0:26:45 > 0:26:49- Is this your vehicle, Tommy?- Yeah. This is a...- It looks like a riot control vehicle.
0:26:49 > 0:26:52My friends would say, "Hey, you know, that van looks like a zombie van."
0:26:52 > 0:26:56I thought, "Wow, that would be great. Maybe one day we can make a zombie movie."
0:26:56 > 0:26:59- Have you put it in a movie yet? - No, not yet. Not at all.
0:26:59 > 0:27:01If you're in a zombie situation, what do you need?
0:27:01 > 0:27:03You need something that's tough and durable, right?
0:27:03 > 0:27:07If you have to run over zombies, you can't run over them without this stuff, so...
0:27:07 > 0:27:09- Sure.- So I built all this.
0:27:09 > 0:27:12In the movie, this will have all the weapons,
0:27:12 > 0:27:14- extra gas in case you need gas. - Of course.
0:27:14 > 0:27:17So we got this little setup.
0:27:17 > 0:27:20You know, I made all this, and worst case scenario,
0:27:20 > 0:27:23when you have to get on the roof
0:27:23 > 0:27:26and you can't get outside because the zombies are out there,
0:27:26 > 0:27:27all you do is this.
0:27:27 > 0:27:30You can get out right on the roof like this and fight the zombies.
0:27:30 > 0:27:35I made a documentary in the '90s about the industry,
0:27:35 > 0:27:38and one of the guys I followed at that time was John Dough.
0:27:38 > 0:27:40Did you ever cross paths with him?
0:27:40 > 0:27:42Yes. Yes.
0:27:42 > 0:27:45- And he, of course, killed himself a few years ago.- Yes.
0:27:45 > 0:27:49Tragically. It's a shame, but the people who suffer the most when they leave,
0:27:49 > 0:27:55if there is any suffering, you know, or take it the hardest, are the guys
0:27:55 > 0:27:59because the guys, you know, through time and through these things, you know,
0:27:59 > 0:28:03they detach themselves from this, from their heart, from themselves
0:28:03 > 0:28:05and you know...
0:28:05 > 0:28:08Do you think John Dough's death had something to do
0:28:08 > 0:28:10with his being in the business?
0:28:10 > 0:28:15Who knows what other underlying things there were in his life
0:28:15 > 0:28:20but, you know, it could possibly be, you know, it really could.
0:28:20 > 0:28:21ENGINE RUMBLING
0:28:21 > 0:28:23- Will you be careful? - No, of course.
0:28:23 > 0:28:26Just keep your feet away from the...
0:28:26 > 0:28:29Should I, do I put them on the thing or is that yours?
0:28:29 > 0:28:31No, you can just have them hang out.
0:28:31 > 0:28:34- You know, nobody wants to acknowledge...- No.
0:28:34 > 0:28:37..anything when it's bad, cos what does that mean?
0:28:37 > 0:28:38What does that do, you know?
0:28:38 > 0:28:41I don't know, what does that do? I'm asking you.
0:28:41 > 0:28:43Uh...
0:28:49 > 0:28:53'Back in the valley, I had an appointment at another shoot,
0:28:53 > 0:28:56'this one a little more low end.'
0:29:01 > 0:29:02Hi. How you doing?
0:29:02 > 0:29:07'One of the female performers was a newcomer I'd met at the LA Direct offices.'
0:29:07 > 0:29:10So have you two guys... Have you met yet?
0:29:10 > 0:29:12- No.- No?
0:29:12 > 0:29:14- We're meeting now.- Yeah.
0:29:14 > 0:29:15- Tony.- I'm Stefania.
0:29:15 > 0:29:19- Nice to meet you.- Nice to meet you too.- Tony, have you done a few scenes before?
0:29:19 > 0:29:22- I've been in one other scene. - Was that recently? When did you do that one?
0:29:22 > 0:29:25- That was, like, a week ago. - How old are you?
0:29:25 > 0:29:27- I'm 23.- You're 23?- Mm-hm.
0:29:27 > 0:29:29And how did you get into this?
0:29:29 > 0:29:32A friend referred me and said,
0:29:32 > 0:29:35"This might help you get through school or whatever,"
0:29:35 > 0:29:36so I decided to do it.
0:29:36 > 0:29:40- You're studying?- Yeah, directing and producing at LA Film School.
0:29:40 > 0:29:43You're not worried in any way that this could hold you back in the future?
0:29:43 > 0:29:46Everybody has to do something at some point in their life
0:29:46 > 0:29:48that they may not want to do necessarily
0:29:48 > 0:29:50but they do it because they have to, they need to.
0:29:50 > 0:29:53What are your ambitions, Stefania?
0:29:53 > 0:29:56I mean, I do want to stay in this business for as long as I can,
0:29:56 > 0:30:00I'm actually trying to, you know, be one of the big porn stars, hopefully,
0:30:00 > 0:30:07and then hopefully later on I could, like, you know, start my own business, get into, like, TV stuff.
0:30:07 > 0:30:09I mean, the other way of looking at it would be do it a little bit
0:30:09 > 0:30:12while you need some money and you're still young
0:30:12 > 0:30:14and then put it behind you,
0:30:14 > 0:30:18but if you make a big name for yourself, that's harder to do.
0:30:18 > 0:30:21Well, I'm not... Yeah, I guess you're right, but still, though,
0:30:21 > 0:30:24as long as I'm bringing money home, that's all that matters.
0:30:24 > 0:30:27I'm paying the bills. I mean, I have a little girl I have to take care of,
0:30:27 > 0:30:31- so, really, she's my number one priority.- A daughter?- Mm-hm.- Do you?
0:30:31 > 0:30:32Do you have any kids, Tony?
0:30:32 > 0:30:35No. I don't need a kid. That'd be real bad.
0:30:35 > 0:30:36I wouldn't know what to do.
0:30:36 > 0:30:40- I didn't have parents, growing up, so...- Why not?
0:30:40 > 0:30:42Er...
0:30:42 > 0:30:45I was, let's say, orphaned at six.
0:30:45 > 0:30:47We'll keep it at that, so...
0:30:47 > 0:30:49Who raised you?
0:30:49 > 0:30:51US Government.
0:30:51 > 0:30:53THEY CHUCKLE
0:30:53 > 0:30:56I don't know. Foster homes.
0:30:56 > 0:30:58I've been everywhere, all over the place,
0:30:58 > 0:31:02so I've gone through my fair share of bullshit,
0:31:02 > 0:31:04so at this point I'm like, "You either like me or you don't.
0:31:04 > 0:31:07"If you don't, keep it pushing cos you're messing with my vibe."
0:31:07 > 0:31:08Yeah.
0:31:08 > 0:31:11Is it a little awkward, knowing, you know,
0:31:11 > 0:31:13you've just met Tony, you've just met Stefania,
0:31:13 > 0:31:16knowing that you'll be having an intimate moment a bit later?
0:31:16 > 0:31:18Well, he looks good, so hey that helps.
0:31:18 > 0:31:21- Yeah, that's helpful. She's sexy, so we're good.- Oh, there you go.
0:31:30 > 0:31:31Can we come in?
0:31:38 > 0:31:40- It's really touchy with the new guys.- Yeah.
0:31:40 > 0:31:42They don't really, this is his second scene.
0:31:42 > 0:31:45Once a new guy gets spooked,
0:31:45 > 0:31:50pretty much it's a wrap pretty much after that.
0:31:50 > 0:31:54Have you shot quite a few porn movies?
0:31:54 > 0:31:58- Oh, yeah, about over 3,000 probably.- Really?
0:31:58 > 0:32:00Yeah. I've been in the business since '98.
0:32:00 > 0:32:02- Since '98?- Mm-hm.- Really?
0:32:02 > 0:32:04KNOCKS ON DOOR
0:32:15 > 0:32:18- He spooked?- Yeah.
0:32:18 > 0:32:21- So I just gave him some Viagra and hopefully that'll work.- Shit.
0:32:23 > 0:32:27- I don't know, maybe if we go in the house and give him a little more room, he might...- Yeah.
0:32:27 > 0:32:29Oh, I'm sorry about that.
0:32:29 > 0:32:32They're easily spooked.
0:32:32 > 0:32:35It's so weird.
0:32:35 > 0:32:40Penis is a very tricky animal.
0:32:40 > 0:32:42- It's a mysterious organ.- Mm-hm.
0:32:42 > 0:32:44What is happening in the industry right now?
0:32:44 > 0:32:48In this sort of post-PornTube era?
0:32:48 > 0:32:53There is a lot of people who are struggling for work, performer-wise,
0:32:53 > 0:32:59cos it's just not as, it's not how it was in, you know, '05, '06, '07.
0:32:59 > 0:33:04It was everyone and their mom thought they could do a porn site.
0:33:04 > 0:33:08They would do 20 or 30 scenes,
0:33:08 > 0:33:11they thought they'd make a million dollars out of their website,
0:33:11 > 0:33:15their website didn't make shit so that content just sits out there,
0:33:15 > 0:33:19they don't care about it any more, then they end up on the tube sites,
0:33:19 > 0:33:21so it just pretty much...
0:33:21 > 0:33:23killed the business.
0:33:23 > 0:33:24Killed it.
0:33:24 > 0:33:26Like, I tell guys all the time, like,
0:33:26 > 0:33:30"Man, you guys better just make this your side gig."
0:33:36 > 0:33:38- How are you doing? - I'm doing good. How are you?
0:33:38 > 0:33:40There was a slightly slow start, wasn't there?
0:33:40 > 0:33:41From what I understand.
0:33:41 > 0:33:43To begin with,
0:33:43 > 0:33:46I think Tony was having a couple of problems getting started?
0:33:46 > 0:33:49Oh, no, he was fine when we started.
0:33:49 > 0:33:50- Was he?- Yeah.- Oh.
0:33:50 > 0:33:52Did it feel intimate?
0:33:52 > 0:33:55I mean, like, I...I mean, no.
0:33:55 > 0:33:58I mean, he has a girlfriend and I have a boyfriend,
0:33:58 > 0:33:59so it's like we're just doing it.
0:33:59 > 0:34:03- I mean, of course he's good-looking and he thinks I'm good-looking, so...- Sexy.
0:34:03 > 0:34:05You know, I did three scenes before this one.
0:34:05 > 0:34:06I'm actually enjoying this one.
0:34:06 > 0:34:10The other ones were like...eh, cos he's a good-looking guy, you know?
0:34:10 > 0:34:12I feel like you two seem like you're kind of clicking a little bit.
0:34:12 > 0:34:14- Oh, yeah, we're cool.- Yeah.
0:34:14 > 0:34:17And that maybe, you know, could you think about going on a date?
0:34:17 > 0:34:18THEY LAUGH
0:34:18 > 0:34:20I think you were meant to be together.
0:34:20 > 0:34:23You're so funny. Oh, my God. You want us to be together?
0:34:23 > 0:34:26THEY LAUGH
0:34:26 > 0:34:30You keep saying how good-looking Tony is. Is he better looking than your boyfriend?
0:34:30 > 0:34:32It's totally different.
0:34:32 > 0:34:35I actually, I mean, like, my boyfriend's not like,
0:34:35 > 0:34:38he's like a pretty boy and my boyfriend's totally not a pretty boy.
0:34:38 > 0:34:40What about you, Tony?
0:34:40 > 0:34:43It's kind of funny, I kind of like the good girls.
0:34:43 > 0:34:46Nobody's tainted her or made her look bad about situations or...
0:34:46 > 0:34:49I don't know, I like the good girl.
0:34:49 > 0:34:51- Got it.- Mm-hm..
0:34:55 > 0:34:56Oh, yeah! Oh!
0:34:56 > 0:35:01'After one more scene, plus Tony's pop shot, the shoot was a wrap.'
0:35:01 > 0:35:03What are you doing?
0:35:03 > 0:35:04Oh, we're talking.
0:35:04 > 0:35:05SHE LAUGHS
0:35:05 > 0:35:08- We're washing each other. - I mean, obviously we're washing ourselves off now.
0:35:08 > 0:35:12- We're getting juices off. - We're getting intimate, like you told us to do.
0:35:12 > 0:35:14You look like you're flirting with each other.
0:35:14 > 0:35:18- You said it happens sometimes, right?- Absolutely.- I'm just kidding.
0:35:18 > 0:35:20Oh, God.
0:35:20 > 0:35:21And blow jobs again.
0:35:21 > 0:35:25'It had been an oddly touching encounter.
0:35:25 > 0:35:29'The two novice performers seem to have done a kind of courtship in reverse,
0:35:29 > 0:35:33'starting with the sex and ending as something like friends.
0:35:41 > 0:35:44'I had another re-visit to make.
0:35:44 > 0:35:46'Since arriving back in the valley,
0:35:46 > 0:35:50'I'd heard several times that the industry was less extreme now.'
0:35:50 > 0:35:51How you doing?
0:35:51 > 0:35:53- How are you, my friend? - Good to see you.
0:35:53 > 0:35:57- Come on down. This is... Oh, how are you?- Yeah, good.
0:35:57 > 0:36:00This movie we're working on now is called Forced Entry.
0:36:00 > 0:36:03It sounds a little bit, you know, sounds a little bit naughty.
0:36:03 > 0:36:05HE LAUGHS
0:36:05 > 0:36:07Yeah, it is. It's just pretty... It's pretty bad.
0:36:07 > 0:36:09It's, like, about rape.
0:36:09 > 0:36:12So, yeah...
0:36:12 > 0:36:14- It's good to see you, man. - Yeah, you too.- It really is.
0:36:14 > 0:36:16- Yeah.- It is, it's good. - Yeah. Oh, good.
0:36:18 > 0:36:23'In 1997, the more outrageous and gruesome side of the business had been personified
0:36:23 > 0:36:27'by a 23-year-old director named Rob Black.'
0:36:27 > 0:36:29How you feeling, Lexi?
0:36:29 > 0:36:31Kind of weird.
0:36:31 > 0:36:34'Since then, he'd lost a fortune and gone to prison,
0:36:34 > 0:36:36'but now he was back directing.'
0:36:36 > 0:36:43I created a genre of porn that nobody had seen.
0:36:43 > 0:36:49Assholes stretched open and just all that just crazy shit.
0:36:49 > 0:36:52And now, we're in the post-shocking era.
0:36:52 > 0:36:55Yes. Parody, a huge thing.
0:36:55 > 0:37:03Oh, well, here, example - here, this is part of the armour from Iron Man.
0:37:03 > 0:37:05And for porn, that's actually a pretty good prop.
0:37:05 > 0:37:07Dude, the suit cost, like, four grand.
0:37:07 > 0:37:10Look, I mean, these are, like, the legs.
0:37:10 > 0:37:11Mmm.
0:37:11 > 0:37:15So, yeah, so this is, this is, like, the prop.
0:37:17 > 0:37:18Fucking thing.
0:37:18 > 0:37:20Go into the warehouse.
0:37:20 > 0:37:25This is like a monster company that puts out 20, 30 different lines.
0:37:25 > 0:37:28Rodney's Birthday, but this is shit, you know? It's jerk-off stuff,
0:37:28 > 0:37:31but then he puts out the stuff that we do...
0:37:31 > 0:37:34- Well, it's all jerk-off stuff, isn't it?- Yeah, but this is stuff...
0:37:34 > 0:37:38Here's the thing. Here's the thing, Mr Thorax.
0:37:38 > 0:37:44Where the business is going now is it's acceptable to watch pornography.
0:37:44 > 0:37:49It's acceptable to sit down with your girlfriend or your wife
0:37:49 > 0:37:52and introduce her to pornography,
0:37:52 > 0:37:55but the pornography that you're introducing her to
0:37:55 > 0:37:56is stuff that I'm doing now,
0:37:56 > 0:38:00not, you know, have a Birthday Blast.
0:38:00 > 0:38:03- Here we go, this is what we do. This is what I do.- OK, here we go.
0:38:05 > 0:38:08- Captain America.- In two discs.
0:38:08 > 0:38:09XXX.
0:38:09 > 0:38:12Iron Man, look at that. Just look at that.
0:38:12 > 0:38:14Come on, that's a porno.
0:38:14 > 0:38:15How's it doing?
0:38:15 > 0:38:17It's doing fucking fabulous.
0:38:17 > 0:38:19- Is it?- Yeah. Look at this.
0:38:19 > 0:38:22Here's mine. 3D.
0:38:22 > 0:38:25- You directed that one? - I direct all of them.
0:38:25 > 0:38:28This ain't no bullshit. This isn't anal fisting.
0:38:28 > 0:38:30- Supergirl. Look at that.- Nice.
0:38:30 > 0:38:33- So what happened to you? They sent you to prison.- Yeah.
0:38:33 > 0:38:36- And your wife too.- Yeah! - What was that like?
0:38:36 > 0:38:38- It's prison.- Yeah.- Yeah.
0:38:38 > 0:38:41What you want to know about it? I was raped every day.
0:38:41 > 0:38:43What were you convicted of?
0:38:43 > 0:38:45- I was raped and sodomised. - What were you convicted of?
0:38:45 > 0:38:47Obscenity?
0:38:47 > 0:38:48Yeah, yeah.
0:38:48 > 0:38:51You took a plea. You seemed very confident of winning.
0:38:51 > 0:38:53- Yeah. Yeah. - So what went wrong?
0:38:53 > 0:38:56At the end of the day, it wasn't just me.
0:38:56 > 0:39:00- Lizzie was involved, you know what I mean?- Your wife.
0:39:00 > 0:39:05Yeah, so I think if we went to trial and we had lost,
0:39:05 > 0:39:10I think it would have really sucked if I had my wife in prison for four years.
0:39:10 > 0:39:13- How long did they give you in the end?- A year and a day.
0:39:13 > 0:39:16- Each of you got a year and a day? - Each of us got a year and a day.
0:39:16 > 0:39:18- That you served?- Ten months.
0:39:18 > 0:39:21In a way, you got what you wanted, didn't you? Cos you wanted to be a provocateur,
0:39:21 > 0:39:25- you wanted to shake things up and be outrageous.- Yeah, of course.
0:39:25 > 0:39:27- Yes.- So was it worth it?
0:39:27 > 0:39:32At the end of the day, my main focus was
0:39:32 > 0:39:36to be the biggest and baddest provocateur of pornography.
0:39:36 > 0:39:40I accomplished that and was it worth it?
0:39:40 > 0:39:43Hmm. Was it worth it?
0:39:43 > 0:39:45I would say yeah. Yeah.
0:39:45 > 0:39:49Do you miss the days of being kind of the most outrageous guy on the block?
0:39:49 > 0:39:52- No, because this is most outrageous now.- It's not outrageous, Rob.
0:39:52 > 0:39:54Shhh, listen to me.
0:39:54 > 0:39:57I feel like you've been through a lot and you've landed on your feet
0:39:57 > 0:39:59and you are back directing and that's great,
0:39:59 > 0:40:02but that in a way they've tamed you, haven't they?
0:40:02 > 0:40:05No, no. Why?
0:40:05 > 0:40:08Why? I don't see... Absolutely not.
0:40:08 > 0:40:10You gotta move on. You gotta evolve.
0:40:10 > 0:40:13Part of evolving is looking back and thinking, "You know what?
0:40:13 > 0:40:15"I thought that was funny at the time,
0:40:15 > 0:40:18"now it seems kind of crass," or insensitive or whatever it is.
0:40:18 > 0:40:20- Definitely. - Do you feel that at all?
0:40:20 > 0:40:25I don't find anything crass or insensitive, because that's taste,
0:40:25 > 0:40:32but, yeah, stretching anal orifices with multiple cocks and stuff like that, it's silly.
0:40:32 > 0:40:34You know what I mean? It's, like, silly.
0:40:34 > 0:40:37Do you think now, looking back, that there was a time when maybe
0:40:37 > 0:40:41- you took it too far or maybe it wasn't appropriate to make that film?- No.
0:40:41 > 0:40:44- No, no, no, no.- Or maybe the woman felt pressured or...
0:40:44 > 0:40:47Absolutely not, because we weren't an under... See, we weren't underground.
0:40:47 > 0:40:49It was all staged.
0:40:49 > 0:40:53All right, dude, here's what's going to happen. The guy's going to come in, you're going to act scared.
0:40:53 > 0:40:56What the fuck did you think, we just got random girls from the street,
0:40:56 > 0:41:00threw them in a room and it was like, "OK, are you ready? Here we go. Boo!"
0:41:00 > 0:41:02What the... I mean... It's retarded.
0:41:02 > 0:41:05The films were, you know, kind of gloried
0:41:05 > 0:41:08and revelled in the fact that they were degrading women.
0:41:08 > 0:41:09Would you agree?
0:41:09 > 0:41:11Everything wasn't degrading to women.
0:41:11 > 0:41:14- Watch these sluts get...come on and...- OK.
0:41:14 > 0:41:17- And then later on...- OK. - You wouldn't think those women might find it embarrassing?
0:41:17 > 0:41:20It's all subjective up to that person.
0:41:20 > 0:41:23Degrading somebody and that whole thing is all,
0:41:23 > 0:41:27it's all up to that person - how they felt, you know?
0:41:27 > 0:41:30- Is there a part of you that misses the old days?- Not at all.
0:41:30 > 0:41:32Why not?
0:41:32 > 0:41:34Cos I outgrew it.
0:41:39 > 0:41:44I used to have steak every day for six years
0:41:44 > 0:41:48and now I decided that, you know, I'm going to change it up.
0:41:56 > 0:41:59I don't miss that era of who I was,
0:41:59 > 0:42:02cos it was just different sections of my life.
0:42:26 > 0:42:28'I was in Las Vegas.
0:42:30 > 0:42:35'Tommy Gunn had been booked on a shoot for an internet porn company.
0:42:35 > 0:42:38'Since seeing him, I'd been intrigued by his sense of loneliness
0:42:38 > 0:42:42'amid the abundance of available sex.
0:42:42 > 0:42:44'He'd agreed to let me see him at work.
0:42:47 > 0:42:50'Also in the wings was another male performer.'
0:42:50 > 0:42:51You are?
0:42:51 > 0:42:53- Marco Banderas. - Marco Banderas?- Yes.
0:42:53 > 0:42:55- From Spain? - From Spain.
0:42:55 > 0:42:57Do you know who you're doing a scene with?
0:42:57 > 0:43:01Sometimes I forgot the names because there's too many English name for my mind.
0:43:01 > 0:43:05- I doing a lot girls.- Yeah. - 40 girls a month.
0:43:05 > 0:43:08- That's more than one a day. - I have the record.
0:43:08 > 0:43:14Last two, three months ago, I did ten pop shots in three hours and a half.
0:43:14 > 0:43:16What was that like? Was it nice?
0:43:16 > 0:43:18Yes.
0:43:18 > 0:43:20- How you doing, Tommy?- Good. - Good to see you.- Likewise.
0:43:20 > 0:43:23- I'm Louis.- Hi, I'm Tasha.- Nice to meet you.- Nice to meet you.
0:43:23 > 0:43:25- Are you are you doing a scene today?- Yeah, with Tommy.
0:43:25 > 0:43:28- Have you worked with Tommy before?- I have, yeah.- Yes.
0:43:28 > 0:43:31- Do you know what kind of scene it is?- Just a standard boy/girl vaginal? Nothing...
0:43:31 > 0:43:35Yeah, yeah, just plain vanilla boy/girl.
0:43:35 > 0:43:36No extra anal or...
0:43:36 > 0:43:39- Eww, no. Not yet. - None of that nature.
0:43:39 > 0:43:41Do you have a long-term plan?
0:43:41 > 0:43:43Yes, I do. I go to school full time.
0:43:43 > 0:43:45- I'm almost done with my Bachelors at UCLA...- Studying?
0:43:45 > 0:43:47Women's Studies and Psychology, so...
0:43:47 > 0:43:49- Women's Studies?- Yes.- Interesting.
0:43:49 > 0:43:52- Actually, I think it led me to do adult because...- Yeah.
0:43:52 > 0:43:56..adult is the only industry in America where women get paid more than men.
0:43:56 > 0:44:02Tasha, you're comfortable separating sex from emotional connection?
0:44:02 > 0:44:05Oh, yeah. I mean, most of the guys I know that are my age, around 22 years old,
0:44:05 > 0:44:09are having sex with girls all the time and I don't think that they're looking at it
0:44:09 > 0:44:12like they're going to be with that girl for ever. I think it's more...
0:44:12 > 0:44:15- But there's still something emotional that has to happen. - Of course.
0:44:15 > 0:44:20- When you have a conversation with somebody, there's still some sort of intimacy in it.- You know?- Yeah.
0:44:20 > 0:44:24- Mmm.- Hmm. I gotta go do my pretty girls.- Yes.- Yes. OK, bye.
0:44:24 > 0:44:28- Nice to meet you, Tasha. We'll see you on set.- Nice to meet you too. OK, bye.- Thank you for that.
0:44:28 > 0:44:31- Remember today, right now. Remember right now.- Yeah.
0:44:31 > 0:44:34- You will blink your eyes and you'll remember this conversation.- Yeah.
0:44:34 > 0:44:38And you'll be 40 and you're going to go, "Holy fuck, I was wrong,
0:44:38 > 0:44:40- "life isn't long, life is short." - Yeah.
0:44:40 > 0:44:43So don't go settling for something like,
0:44:43 > 0:44:46"Oh, well, you know, life is long, I got plenty of time." You don't.
0:44:46 > 0:44:48Maybe...maybe I'm just another dumb girl.
0:44:48 > 0:44:51THEY CHUCKLE
0:44:51 > 0:44:54Jackie's awesome. She's a cutie.
0:44:54 > 0:44:56So what does that mean, exactly?
0:44:56 > 0:45:00You know, "Fuck a pretty girl every day." Like, what does that mean?
0:45:00 > 0:45:03- Is that what she said to you?- Yeah. - It's a compliment, saying that you...
0:45:03 > 0:45:06- You were successful.- OK, great. But what is that?
0:45:06 > 0:45:07So what does that mean?
0:45:07 > 0:45:09I'm trying to wrap my head around it.
0:45:09 > 0:45:12You're interested in striking up a relationship with her?
0:45:12 > 0:45:15No, it's just, you know, the truth of the matter is
0:45:15 > 0:45:18would these girls be fucking me if they weren't getting paid to do it?
0:45:18 > 0:45:21Well, some would and some wouldn't.
0:45:21 > 0:45:22- Right, so...- Right?
0:45:22 > 0:45:23You know?
0:45:23 > 0:45:26How long have you been single for?
0:45:26 > 0:45:28I've been single now four years.
0:45:28 > 0:45:32Really? Describe your ideal woman.
0:45:32 > 0:45:36Self-sacrificing and caring and nurturing and, you know,
0:45:36 > 0:45:38wants to have children and...
0:45:38 > 0:45:41Honestly, I'm not going to find her in this business.
0:45:41 > 0:45:44What's stopping you from leaving the business now to find that?
0:45:44 > 0:45:48A financial issue. You still gotta make the money.
0:45:48 > 0:45:52Hey, guys, I'm still here on set,
0:45:52 > 0:45:55just updating you every five seconds. Here's Marco.
0:45:55 > 0:45:57So what did you do today?
0:45:57 > 0:45:58I did a anal scene.
0:45:58 > 0:46:01- With who?- With er...- We're ready.
0:46:01 > 0:46:03- I don't remember the name. - OK. I have to go.- OK.
0:46:05 > 0:46:07Thank you.
0:46:17 > 0:46:20Do you feel you've got good chemistry with Tasha?
0:46:20 > 0:46:26Yes, and part of that comes with dealing with many girls over time.
0:46:26 > 0:46:28She doesn't seem that interested in you.
0:46:28 > 0:46:29Do you ever comment on that?
0:46:29 > 0:46:34No. That would just create even more of a...you know?
0:46:34 > 0:46:37I just kind of just...
0:46:37 > 0:46:39see what I can do about it.
0:46:39 > 0:46:42And just look out cos I'm going to go to a wide shot how.
0:46:42 > 0:46:45We're going, stroking the whole time, so it's already happened out there.
0:46:45 > 0:46:47And from there right up against the wall, OK?
0:46:47 > 0:46:50Rolling, action.
0:46:50 > 0:46:56SHE GROANS AND MOANS Oh, fuck.
0:46:56 > 0:46:59You know you like my customer service.
0:46:59 > 0:47:02It's hard to think of other things to say about customer service though.
0:47:02 > 0:47:06Your experience shopping here is good. Hopefully your experience shopping here is good.
0:47:06 > 0:47:08- I said that five times.- Oh, you did?
0:47:08 > 0:47:10I just kind of do my job.
0:47:10 > 0:47:14Smile, put on that face, whatever.
0:47:14 > 0:47:16All right, Tommy, you're going to go from that position.
0:47:16 > 0:47:19- Gotcha.- Will you be able to? - Oh, yeah.- Cool.
0:47:19 > 0:47:22You're going to say something like,
0:47:22 > 0:47:25"I hope your shopping experience was easy for you,"
0:47:25 > 0:47:28or something wonderful or...
0:47:28 > 0:47:31"I hope your experience at ZZ Video was memorable." That's easy.
0:47:31 > 0:47:34- OK, are you ready?- Yep.- OK.
0:47:34 > 0:47:36I'm rolling, and action.
0:47:36 > 0:47:41SHE GROANS AND MOANS
0:47:43 > 0:47:46I hope that your experience at ZZ Video was memorable.
0:47:48 > 0:47:49It was.
0:47:54 > 0:47:56Nice. All right, ready?
0:47:57 > 0:47:59- So you did it.- I did it, yeah.
0:47:59 > 0:48:02Again, I don't know what number that would be.
0:48:02 > 0:48:04I've kind of lost count.
0:48:04 > 0:48:07Without sounding creepy, you seem to be doing an excellent job.
0:48:07 > 0:48:10I have to. That's my job.
0:48:10 > 0:48:12You don't think for a moment in that scene today
0:48:12 > 0:48:15I was in love with that girl in my mind?
0:48:15 > 0:48:20I shared something with her she didn't even know I shared with her.
0:48:20 > 0:48:22Have you had relationships while you were in the business?
0:48:22 > 0:48:25I mean, serious, long-term relationships
0:48:25 > 0:48:28- while you've been in the business? - Have I?- Yeah.
0:48:28 > 0:48:29Yeah.
0:48:29 > 0:48:33And was it a strain? Was it a struggle in any way?
0:48:33 > 0:48:34Yeah.
0:48:36 > 0:48:38The human side of it
0:48:38 > 0:48:41in terms of realising that it's not...
0:48:43 > 0:48:46..normal...
0:48:46 > 0:48:51to leave somebody you love to go and have sex with somebody you don't.
0:48:53 > 0:48:55That's not normal.
0:48:55 > 0:48:59I try not to let the past affect my future,
0:48:59 > 0:49:02but when the heart gets hurt, that's a difficult thing.
0:49:02 > 0:49:05I have a tendency of wearing your heart on the sleeve.
0:49:05 > 0:49:06You never heard that expression?
0:49:06 > 0:49:09What does that mean, when you wear your heart on your sleeve?
0:49:09 > 0:49:12It means that you give love very readily and you make yourself vulnerable.
0:49:12 > 0:49:15Yeah. I do that.
0:49:15 > 0:49:17A lot.
0:49:17 > 0:49:20So maybe that's why this job works for me so much,
0:49:20 > 0:49:23cos my heart's not involved in this, in this.
0:49:23 > 0:49:27My heart's home, safe in a box where nobody can touch it.
0:49:29 > 0:49:32But I get to go to work
0:49:32 > 0:49:36and breathe heavy in some chick's ear
0:49:36 > 0:49:39and perform a sex act...
0:49:39 > 0:49:44and, at the end of the day, I have my release
0:49:44 > 0:49:45and that's healthy.
0:49:45 > 0:49:47You know?
0:49:49 > 0:49:52And yeah, I'll do it again. I'll get my heart broken again.
0:49:52 > 0:49:54I thought your heart was in a box.
0:49:54 > 0:49:55It is, but I'll take it out.
0:49:55 > 0:49:58It's OK, I'll take it out, do it again.
0:50:01 > 0:50:04'It was hard not to sympathise with Tommy.
0:50:04 > 0:50:07'I sensed he'd been an outsider before coming into porn
0:50:07 > 0:50:11'and that porn was in turn making a normal life ever more unattainable.
0:50:15 > 0:50:18'Back in Los Angeles, and I was off to see Kagney Linn Karter.
0:50:20 > 0:50:24'She'd just returned from the outlandish shoot involving six men
0:50:24 > 0:50:27'that her boyfriend Montae had been unhappy about.'
0:50:29 > 0:50:31- Hi.- Hi, guys.
0:50:31 > 0:50:33- Shall we come in? - Yes, please.
0:50:33 > 0:50:35Are you OK? How did it go?
0:50:35 > 0:50:39I have to admit, I was nervous this morning, I was really nervous,
0:50:39 > 0:50:43but once I got to set, everything...
0:50:43 > 0:50:46was fully the way that it was supposed to be,
0:50:46 > 0:50:50so I did the scene and then the guy that I do the scene with leaves
0:50:50 > 0:50:55and then the other guys, they just basically ejaculate on my face.
0:50:55 > 0:50:57It was perfect, actually.
0:50:57 > 0:50:59From the outside world perspective,
0:50:59 > 0:51:04they see most of the people in the porn industry, the performers,
0:51:04 > 0:51:07that they've got some kind of damage in their life.
0:51:07 > 0:51:09For sure. I've got a lot of damage.
0:51:09 > 0:51:14I mean, my father has been incarcerated my whole life
0:51:14 > 0:51:17and, you know, he had a major drug problem and er...
0:51:17 > 0:51:20Do you think maybe your dad having not been in the,
0:51:20 > 0:51:22you know, in the picture,
0:51:22 > 0:51:25that he was in prison all these years,
0:51:25 > 0:51:28had something to do with you perhaps going into porn?
0:51:28 > 0:51:30Absolutely not.
0:51:30 > 0:51:31SHE CHUCKLES
0:51:31 > 0:51:32I don't think that at all.
0:51:32 > 0:51:35Everyone has problems.
0:51:35 > 0:51:37Everyone.
0:51:37 > 0:51:40I went into porn cos I wanted to get into porn.
0:51:40 > 0:51:43I mean, after what we talked about, Montae,
0:51:43 > 0:51:47you know, about how you felt and what your opinion was of this scene,
0:51:47 > 0:51:50was it strange for you today, thinking about the scene going on?
0:51:50 > 0:51:54No, not at all. I mean, I really actually, I didn't think about it at all.
0:51:54 > 0:51:56I asked her, "How did the scene go?"
0:51:56 > 0:52:02And she said, "It went great" and I said, "Great, perfect."
0:52:02 > 0:52:06Because that makes me feel...
0:52:06 > 0:52:10ecstatic, elated that she went to work
0:52:10 > 0:52:12and, you know, things went well.
0:52:12 > 0:52:16You feel ecstatic and elated about you doing this scene and it going well?
0:52:16 > 0:52:18- No, I felt ecstatic and elated that...- That it went well.
0:52:18 > 0:52:23..that it went well. I'm not happy and ecstatic that she had sex acts.
0:52:23 > 0:52:24With those guys.
0:52:24 > 0:52:29Right, and which is, you know, it's not...it's not a big deal,
0:52:29 > 0:52:30you know what I'm saying?
0:52:30 > 0:52:34So many people I've spoken to have said it's very difficult to maintain a stable relationship
0:52:34 > 0:52:37when you're working in adult movies,
0:52:37 > 0:52:42so...are you saying you're the exception to that?
0:52:44 > 0:52:47Definitely one of the exceptions, for sure.
0:52:47 > 0:52:49- How come?- At least for right now.
0:52:49 > 0:52:53I mean, I would say four years, almost five years now, is quite an exception.
0:52:53 > 0:52:54Given that he's not in the industry,
0:52:54 > 0:52:57I think it's impressive how Montae's able to take a kind of back seat.
0:52:57 > 0:53:00Is that part of what's happening here?
0:53:00 > 0:53:01He's this beautiful man.
0:53:01 > 0:53:05I mean, he's just a beautiful person, like, inside and out.
0:53:05 > 0:53:07Maybe he's TOO relaxed.
0:53:07 > 0:53:09- So you think he's lazy?- I'm not saying that he is, I'm just...- No.
0:53:09 > 0:53:11THEY CHUCKLE
0:53:11 > 0:53:17Now, if me and Montae aren't together, heaven forbid, in ten years, you know what?
0:53:17 > 0:53:20Say what you will, whatever, we're not together any more,
0:53:20 > 0:53:21but you know what?
0:53:21 > 0:53:23We've had a fucking great five years now
0:53:23 > 0:53:27and whatever more we can get, I'll take.
0:53:33 > 0:53:37'I had one last appointment in the world of porn.'
0:53:37 > 0:53:42- Hangs the doll by the neck. OK?- OK.
0:53:42 > 0:53:44And that's porno! Huh?!
0:53:44 > 0:53:50'In 1997, John Dough - real name Chet Anuszek -
0:53:50 > 0:53:52'had been at the top of his profession.'
0:53:52 > 0:53:54Do you get a lot of people coming up to you saying,
0:53:54 > 0:53:56"Hey man, I want to do your job," that type of thing?
0:53:56 > 0:54:00- Oh, yeah, you gotta go to work. Right. You gotta go to work, sure. - Ah, right.
0:54:00 > 0:54:04It must get kind of irritating in a way, like, people don't regard you, take your work seriously,
0:54:04 > 0:54:06like, they don't, they say, "Oh, you just have sex."
0:54:06 > 0:54:09No, it isn't irritating. I just stay home more.
0:54:09 > 0:54:13'He'd married a fellow performer known as Monique DeMoan.'
0:54:13 > 0:54:14- Hi.- Hello.
0:54:14 > 0:54:17- Cheyenne?- Hi. - I'm Louis.- Hi, Louis.
0:54:17 > 0:54:22'I'd tracked her down, 800 miles from LA, retired from porn.'
0:54:22 > 0:54:25Well, this is a picture of little Breena.
0:54:25 > 0:54:28- That's your daughter?- This is our daughter.- With Chet.
0:54:28 > 0:54:33Breena was about three years old, and that's up in Mammoth.
0:54:33 > 0:54:35That's Chet on his motorcycle.
0:54:35 > 0:54:38This is, I mean, after we'd been together for quite a few years.
0:54:38 > 0:54:42Do you have copies of the films that you and Chet made together?
0:54:42 > 0:54:45I do still have Doctor Butts 3, of course.
0:54:45 > 0:54:48Doctor Butts 3, with a kind of Hannibal Lecter thing going on.
0:54:48 > 0:54:51Why have you hung onto that one in particular?
0:54:51 > 0:54:53It's sentimental.
0:54:53 > 0:55:00If you're able to capture something that hot on camera, you know,
0:55:00 > 0:55:05and it's your first encounter with your husband, your baby's daddy,
0:55:05 > 0:55:07you're not going to get rid of it.
0:55:07 > 0:55:10What worked about the relationship? What was it that you liked?
0:55:10 > 0:55:12Er...
0:55:12 > 0:55:15He took me out and we had a good time.
0:55:15 > 0:55:17It was life in the fast lane, though.
0:55:17 > 0:55:19Fast lane meaning?
0:55:19 > 0:55:21Sex, drugs, rock and roll.
0:55:21 > 0:55:24To a civilian like myself, the idea of having sex on camera
0:55:24 > 0:55:28and then being faithful off camera and being committed
0:55:28 > 0:55:31seems like it would be very difficult.
0:55:31 > 0:55:36It's really not that hard. What's hard is active addiction - drugs.
0:55:36 > 0:55:39That's what's hard.
0:55:39 > 0:55:40You know?
0:55:40 > 0:55:44If you want to have a good, happy life, you have to give up the drugs,
0:55:44 > 0:55:47and Chet did, many times,
0:55:47 > 0:55:49and so did I.
0:55:49 > 0:55:53But unfortunately there are those relapses and unfortunately...
0:55:56 > 0:55:58..it ended with his suicide.
0:55:58 > 0:56:01How would you feel about talking about
0:56:01 > 0:56:03how you came to find out that he'd killed himself?
0:56:05 > 0:56:06I...
0:56:09 > 0:56:13..I was out getting...some drugs...
0:56:15 > 0:56:18..and I came home
0:56:18 > 0:56:22and thought that it was very strange that I couldn't find Chet,
0:56:22 > 0:56:24seeing as I had drugs.
0:56:24 > 0:56:27I knew something was wrong and I started looking for him.
0:56:27 > 0:56:29I looked throughout the whole house,
0:56:29 > 0:56:32I looked through the back yard...
0:56:32 > 0:56:34and it was so quiet.
0:56:34 > 0:56:37SHE SOBS
0:56:37 > 0:56:40It was so quiet...
0:56:40 > 0:56:44and I heard a...a creak in the closet...
0:56:46 > 0:56:49..and that's when I found him.
0:56:49 > 0:56:53Chet was really, truly, honestly, he was a really good dad.
0:56:56 > 0:56:58He was a good dad,
0:56:58 > 0:57:03but he felt that he had failed as a husband and as a father.
0:57:03 > 0:57:05He felt that he had failed in life.
0:57:05 > 0:57:07He felt that he was failing as a man.
0:57:07 > 0:57:11He felt... He just, he was...he was broken.
0:57:20 > 0:57:26This is my spelling test and, like, I got four wrong on it.
0:57:27 > 0:57:30Which is pretty good. Were you good in school, Cheyenne?
0:57:30 > 0:57:32No, I wasn't that great in school.
0:57:32 > 0:57:36- It must be nice to see Breena do so well.- Yes.
0:57:36 > 0:57:38Oh, absolutely.
0:57:38 > 0:57:41- Yeah. You're proud. - Very. I'm very proud of her.
0:57:41 > 0:57:43Do you know what you'd like to be when you grow up?
0:57:43 > 0:57:45I want to be a police officer.
0:57:45 > 0:57:47You do?
0:57:47 > 0:57:48- Mm.- How come?
0:57:48 > 0:57:54Because I like to stop people from doing the wrong thing
0:57:54 > 0:57:58and, like, cos I want everyone to do the right thing a lot.
0:58:11 > 0:58:14'I'd gone in search of adult performers,
0:58:14 > 0:58:16'trying to understand the price they pay
0:58:16 > 0:58:20'for taking the most intimate human act and putting it on camera.
0:58:20 > 0:58:24'I'd found an industry that, 15 years on,
0:58:24 > 0:58:31'was more demoralised and still taking the privacy of its young cohorts while paying them less.
0:58:31 > 0:58:35'And yet, the world of porn is also a refuge -
0:58:35 > 0:58:41'somewhere people fleeing lives of chaos can blend in and feel valued.
0:58:41 > 0:58:43'Though it can inflict wounds on those who work in it,
0:58:43 > 0:58:48'it could also occasionally surprise with its tenderness.'
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