My Scientology Movie

0:00:09 > 0:00:14This film contains very strong language

0:01:19 > 0:01:22CHEERING

0:01:38 > 0:01:41You get a sense of the scale and ambition

0:01:41 > 0:01:45of the Church of Scientology from the footage of their galas.

0:01:47 > 0:01:49They look more like a Hollywood awards show

0:01:49 > 0:01:52than anything recognisably spiritual.

0:01:58 > 0:02:02A religion created by a sci-fi writer,

0:02:02 > 0:02:05and now run by a mysterious and unapproachable leader...

0:02:07 > 0:02:10..whose disciples include top Hollywood actors.

0:02:14 > 0:02:18For years, my dream was that I might be the first journalist to see

0:02:18 > 0:02:21another, more positive side of the church.

0:02:25 > 0:02:27Their commercials promise enlightenment,

0:02:27 > 0:02:31using techniques that combine spirituality and science...

0:02:34 > 0:02:37..with the ultimate aim of a planet free from insanity,

0:02:37 > 0:02:39crime and war.

0:02:43 > 0:02:46The videos boast of the church's global reach

0:02:46 > 0:02:49and followers, they say, are in the millions.

0:02:59 > 0:03:01Watching their promotional films,

0:03:01 > 0:03:04I dreamed of experiencing their practises first-hand.

0:03:05 > 0:03:10I made repeated requests to be allowed inside,

0:03:10 > 0:03:12but my approaches were all turned down.

0:03:16 > 0:03:19CHEERING

0:03:19 > 0:03:22Gradually, I realised they were never going to let me in.

0:03:23 > 0:03:26But inspired by their religious film-making,

0:03:26 > 0:03:29I began thinking of another way inside

0:03:29 > 0:03:32that was still true to the spirit of Scientology.

0:04:12 > 0:04:14I've been in touch with one of the

0:04:14 > 0:04:17most prominent ex-members of Scientology.

0:04:18 > 0:04:20His name is Marty Rathbun

0:04:20 > 0:04:23and my hope is that he can help me realise this idea I have.

0:04:26 > 0:04:28For many years, he was one of the

0:04:28 > 0:04:30most senior figures in the whole church.

0:04:30 > 0:04:33Their photos show him in uniform next to David Miscavige,

0:04:33 > 0:04:34the church leader.

0:04:35 > 0:04:38And then, in 2004, he left

0:04:38 > 0:04:42and started giving interviews about the church and his role within it.

0:04:42 > 0:04:45I was basically Mr Fix It for Scientology for a number of...

0:04:45 > 0:04:47Well, a couple of decades, frankly.

0:04:47 > 0:04:48I mean, I was...

0:04:48 > 0:04:51Wherever there was a fire, I was out there to put it out.

0:04:51 > 0:04:53- Do you need a push?- Maybe.

0:04:53 > 0:04:56The church now regards him as deeply untrustworthy.

0:04:56 > 0:04:58This Louis is a yoga master.

0:04:58 > 0:05:02But for more than 20 years, he was the consummate insider.

0:05:02 > 0:05:03It feels pretty secure.

0:05:03 > 0:05:06And he still believes in aspects of Scientology.

0:05:06 > 0:05:08You want to just get some B-roll?

0:05:08 > 0:05:10Yeah.

0:05:13 > 0:05:15Have you driven in LA before, Louis?

0:05:15 > 0:05:18I've been living in LA for the last year.

0:05:18 > 0:05:20- Get out of town. - Yeah.- Where do you live?

0:05:20 > 0:05:23North Hobart, very close to the Celebrity Centre.

0:05:23 > 0:05:25I'll be darned.

0:05:25 > 0:05:28And we've flown him in from Texas, where he now lives,

0:05:28 > 0:05:30and brought him back to Scientology's birthplace,

0:05:30 > 0:05:33and his old home, Los Angeles.

0:05:39 > 0:05:41- I've got my written response from the church.- Oh, really?

0:05:41 > 0:05:42- I wanted to mention that.- OK.

0:05:47 > 0:05:49And what they mention is that Mr Theroux

0:05:49 > 0:05:52had been in direct communication

0:05:52 > 0:05:53with and had interviewed bitter

0:05:53 > 0:05:57anti-Scientologist Marty Rathbun.

0:05:57 > 0:06:00Is that what poisoned them against our production?

0:06:00 > 0:06:03Is that what closed the door to us, do you think?

0:06:03 > 0:06:05Or would they never have taken part?

0:06:12 > 0:06:15- You can't film me.- OK. - We're not filming you.

0:06:15 > 0:06:18You are. You have the camera in my face.

0:06:18 > 0:06:20- Turn the camera off.- So what are you doing a documentary about?

0:06:20 > 0:06:22It's about the Church of Scientology.

0:06:22 > 0:06:24Oh...

0:06:24 > 0:06:26You should interview her.

0:06:26 > 0:06:29Well, maybe we will, but we should probably finish what we were doing.

0:06:29 > 0:06:31Can we finish what we're doing?

0:06:31 > 0:06:33I'm an actress and...

0:06:33 > 0:06:35Well, we are in LA.

0:06:35 > 0:06:37Yeah, but, no, I mean, I've done

0:06:37 > 0:06:40over 45 films in French and Spanish...

0:06:40 > 0:06:43- Sure.- ..and a lot of things. OK, well, my name is Paz.

0:06:43 > 0:06:45Paz.

0:06:45 > 0:06:46How do you spell that?

0:06:46 > 0:06:48- Yes.- That's great. Thank you so much.

0:07:00 > 0:07:01They sent her over.

0:07:01 > 0:07:03- The church?- Don't you think?

0:07:03 > 0:07:05No, they're not this sophisticated.

0:07:05 > 0:07:07- Honey trap? - They're not that sophisticated.

0:07:07 > 0:07:10You would have done that in your day.

0:07:10 > 0:07:12No, I wouldn't have done that in my day.

0:07:17 > 0:07:20The founder of Scientology, L Ron Hubbard,

0:07:20 > 0:07:22was a writer of pulp fiction

0:07:22 > 0:07:27and in 1950 he published a self-help book called Dianetics.

0:07:27 > 0:07:29It became the basis for an entire religion,

0:07:29 > 0:07:33teaching that we are all immortal spirits called thetans,

0:07:33 > 0:07:35who live multiple lifetimes.

0:07:36 > 0:07:39Using Scientology processes, we can become enlightened,

0:07:39 > 0:07:41remember past lives,

0:07:41 > 0:07:44and carry all our present-day memories into future lifetimes.

0:07:46 > 0:07:48Over the years, Hubbard won thousands of converts.

0:07:48 > 0:07:53Hello. My name is David Miscavige

0:07:53 > 0:07:55and I'm very happy that you could

0:07:55 > 0:07:57all make it to this important briefing this evening.

0:07:57 > 0:07:59And then, in 1986,

0:07:59 > 0:08:01there was a gathering of Scientologists

0:08:01 > 0:08:03at the Hollywood Palladium

0:08:03 > 0:08:05and it was announced that Hubbard had died.

0:08:05 > 0:08:10The body he had used to facilitate his existence in this universe

0:08:10 > 0:08:12had ceased to be useful

0:08:12 > 0:08:15and in fact had become an impediment

0:08:15 > 0:08:18to the work he now must do outside of its confines.

0:08:20 > 0:08:22The announcement was made in this

0:08:22 > 0:08:26famous footage by a young man in his 20s called David Miscavige...

0:08:27 > 0:08:30..and he has run Scientology ever since...

0:08:31 > 0:08:34..and done so, according to his critics,

0:08:34 > 0:08:37in an increasingly unpredictable and volatile fashion.

0:08:37 > 0:08:40Joining us live tonight is David Miscavige, whose formal title

0:08:40 > 0:08:43is Chairman of the Board of the Religious Technology Centre,

0:08:43 > 0:08:47the organisation which manages Dianetics and Scientology.

0:08:47 > 0:08:51Mr Miscavige took over as the head of Scientology in 1987,

0:08:51 > 0:08:55following the death of the Church's founder, L Ron Hubbard.

0:08:55 > 0:09:00In 1992, he spoke to Ted Koppel, the host of Nightline.

0:09:00 > 0:09:03It was an unusually revealing encounter

0:09:03 > 0:09:05and to date his only TV interview.

0:09:16 > 0:09:21So we've got actors coming in to be David Miscavige

0:09:21 > 0:09:26and, for me, the idea really is to recreate...

0:09:26 > 0:09:29You know, we can't get the real Miscavige,

0:09:29 > 0:09:31but we can create our own Miscavige,

0:09:31 > 0:09:34using lines from that rare Ted Koppel interview

0:09:34 > 0:09:36to help Marty to cast him.

0:09:39 > 0:09:42I'm going to lean heavily on Marty.

0:09:42 > 0:09:46I'm conscious it's his version and it's seen in hindsight after an

0:09:46 > 0:09:48acrimonious split from the church.

0:09:50 > 0:09:51OK.

0:09:51 > 0:09:53- Hi, Chris.- How you doing?

0:09:53 > 0:09:55- Hi.- My name's Chris Garrett.

0:09:57 > 0:09:59Shall I...? I mean, should I sit in?

0:09:59 > 0:10:01What do you think? Should I do a Koppel voice?

0:10:01 > 0:10:03No. No, it's cheesy.

0:10:03 > 0:10:05- It's up to you, Louis, whatever... - Yeah, I'll just do...

0:10:05 > 0:10:07I'd like to begin, Mr Miscavige,

0:10:07 > 0:10:09with, I guess, the kind of broad question

0:10:09 > 0:10:11perhaps folks at home may be asking themselves right now.

0:10:11 > 0:10:14..perhaps folks at home may be asking themselves right now,

0:10:14 > 0:10:16but let me be the guinea pig for a moment.

0:10:16 > 0:10:20See if you can explain to me why I would want to be a Scientologist.

0:10:20 > 0:10:24Because you care about yourself and life itself.

0:10:24 > 0:10:28- Because you care about life... Wait, hold on.- Yourself and life itself.

0:10:28 > 0:10:30- Yeah, yeah.- Scientology, the word means study of life,

0:10:30 > 0:10:32study of knowledge...

0:10:34 > 0:10:37..and that's what it is. It takes up all areas of life itself.

0:10:37 > 0:10:40Things that are integral and

0:10:40 > 0:10:44maxims related to life and very existence.

0:10:44 > 0:10:46Let me give you an example. It's better if I take that

0:10:46 > 0:10:48because it's such a broad-ranging subject.

0:10:48 > 0:10:49It's better if I take that because

0:10:49 > 0:10:51it covers such a broad range of subjects.

0:10:51 > 0:10:56That's an area of communication, being able to

0:10:56 > 0:10:58communicate with the world around you and everyone here.

0:10:58 > 0:11:00Good, good, good.

0:11:00 > 0:11:04I just... I want it to feel as real as possible,

0:11:04 > 0:11:07but I also... I want to get Marty back into the head space of where he

0:11:07 > 0:11:09was when he was inside the church.

0:11:11 > 0:11:15And we're using this rare bit of footage because he was there in the

0:11:15 > 0:11:18studio, at Miscavige's side, when it was recorded.

0:11:18 > 0:11:20Thank you so much. Thank you.

0:11:21 > 0:11:24It's not Miscavige.

0:11:24 > 0:11:28I'm serious, you know, all these guys that you would like,

0:11:28 > 0:11:31- they're no good. - Well, no, but he actually...

0:11:31 > 0:11:34This is not a minor game we're playing here.

0:11:34 > 0:11:36Every man, woman and child, their

0:11:36 > 0:11:39moral future depends on us succeeding.

0:11:39 > 0:11:42This is the attitude, this is what you're missing.

0:11:42 > 0:11:44You've got to have that intensity, OK?

0:11:44 > 0:11:46Because this is not some minor game.

0:11:46 > 0:11:47I thought he had that.

0:11:47 > 0:11:50This is dying, not just dying in this lifetime,

0:11:50 > 0:11:52it's dying and dying and dying and dying,

0:11:52 > 0:11:55and being a smouldering ember that floats through space,

0:11:55 > 0:11:56hurtling through space.

0:11:56 > 0:11:59- Literally that?- It's literally that if we don't succeed.

0:11:59 > 0:12:02Is that something he would say?

0:12:02 > 0:12:03Absolutely. It's right in the policy

0:12:03 > 0:12:05letters in Keeping Scientology Working,

0:12:05 > 0:12:07"We'd rather have you dead than incapable."

0:12:07 > 0:12:09That's the training attitude.

0:12:09 > 0:12:11- That was your mind-set?- Yeah.

0:12:11 > 0:12:13For 27 years?

0:12:13 > 0:12:15Well, for 22 years.

0:12:15 > 0:12:17The first five years, I was pretty laid-back.

0:12:24 > 0:12:25It's scary, huh?

0:12:25 > 0:12:28It makes you wonder what I'm capable of, right?

0:12:29 > 0:12:31- A little bit.- Yeah.

0:12:36 > 0:12:38I'll tell you what, let's stick with me, OK?

0:12:38 > 0:12:41So far in life, I haven't had a whole lot of trouble communicating.

0:12:41 > 0:12:44Now, see if you can communicate to me what it is that you're going to

0:12:44 > 0:12:47be able to do for me that makes me a better communicator.

0:12:47 > 0:12:50Well, number one, I would never try to talk you into that Scientology is

0:12:50 > 0:12:53for you. You see, that's the funny thing about this,

0:12:53 > 0:12:55as if I'm now going to give the sales pitch to you on Scientology...

0:12:55 > 0:12:57You see that edge?

0:12:57 > 0:12:59He's got that down. He's pissed...

0:12:59 > 0:13:02But he's not overtly showing it.

0:13:02 > 0:13:03But he's combative.

0:13:03 > 0:13:05If you want to see something else,

0:13:05 > 0:13:08throw any direction at me and I'll just give you another.

0:13:08 > 0:13:12Get up and get on my face and put your finger to my chest, and let me

0:13:12 > 0:13:15know that my problem is that I buy my own bullshit.

0:13:16 > 0:13:18- OK.- OK, go ahead.

0:13:19 > 0:13:24Who are you to come in here and tell me that what I stand for and what I

0:13:24 > 0:13:28have learned, what I have learned, is the right way?

0:13:28 > 0:13:30You people are programmed and sold.

0:13:31 > 0:13:33Listen to me, you slimy little cocksucker,

0:13:33 > 0:13:36you fuck up one more time, I will rip your fucking face off!

0:13:36 > 0:13:39- You got that?- Get with me, motherfucker!

0:13:39 > 0:13:41Get personal. Dress the guy down.

0:13:41 > 0:13:42I don't want you just to agree with me.

0:13:42 > 0:13:44Call him a four-eyed son of a bitch cocksucker.

0:13:44 > 0:13:47You're a four-eyed son of a bitch, you cocksucker.

0:13:47 > 0:13:48I mean, you had no idea what you

0:13:48 > 0:13:51were doing from the beginning and I knew that.

0:13:51 > 0:13:53- Louder.- You had no idea what you

0:13:53 > 0:13:56were doing from the beginning and I knew that.

0:13:56 > 0:13:59- Shove him against the wall. - You son of a bitch.

0:13:59 > 0:14:01You listen to me.

0:14:01 > 0:14:02This is really good.

0:14:02 > 0:14:05OK, you're going to fucking do what I tell you next time and you're

0:14:05 > 0:14:07going to actually listen to me.

0:14:07 > 0:14:08Louis, this is really good.

0:14:08 > 0:14:10- From the start.- OK, cut.

0:14:10 > 0:14:12- OK.- You're a cocksucking loser.

0:14:12 > 0:14:13You're a piece of shit.

0:14:13 > 0:14:15I'm telling you what you're worth.

0:14:15 > 0:14:18I'm telling you what you've been doing with your life.

0:14:18 > 0:14:20- Don't look away.- He's got it.

0:14:20 > 0:14:23He's got it. This is David Miscavige, right here.

0:14:23 > 0:14:25Where were you getting that from?

0:14:25 > 0:14:29Uh, I tap into anger very easily...

0:14:29 > 0:14:31And righteousness.

0:14:31 > 0:14:33That's exactly what it is - it's a righteous anger.

0:14:33 > 0:14:34That was like being there.

0:14:34 > 0:14:36- Yeah.- Thank you so much.

0:14:36 > 0:14:39- Thanks a lot, man. - Take care. OK, cheers.

0:14:39 > 0:14:41I'm aware that we're going to the

0:14:41 > 0:14:44violence quite quickly and to the sort

0:14:44 > 0:14:45of negative characterisation.

0:14:45 > 0:14:49But I don't know if we're going to get the sense of why, for 22 years,

0:14:49 > 0:14:53you were working hand in glove in a devoted fashion with that guy.

0:14:53 > 0:14:55Well, as you said,

0:14:55 > 0:14:57you thought it was kind of nice

0:14:57 > 0:15:00having your face ripped off up against the wall.

0:15:00 > 0:15:02Yeah, but that was playacting.

0:15:02 > 0:15:03I know. So what's the difference?

0:15:36 > 0:15:38The orthodoxy of the Scientology

0:15:38 > 0:15:41religion, so that it forever remains faithful...

0:15:51 > 0:15:54He's indignant, but he's also trying to make his case to an

0:15:54 > 0:15:57- impartial person, like a judge, right?- OK.

0:15:57 > 0:15:59Yeah. OK, shall we go?

0:15:59 > 0:16:01Go.

0:16:03 > 0:16:06I am, and since 1987 have been,

0:16:06 > 0:16:09the Chairman of the Board of Religious Technology Centre,

0:16:09 > 0:16:14a section 501 C3 tax-exempt non-profit religious corporation,

0:16:14 > 0:16:17whose sole purpose is to maintain the orthodoxy of the Scientology

0:16:17 > 0:16:20- religion.- I mean, I would take it down a notch.

0:16:20 > 0:16:23- OK.- Because I think that went a little too conversational.

0:16:23 > 0:16:25Yeah.

0:16:27 > 0:16:30Most Scientologists would never meet David Miscavige.

0:16:30 > 0:16:32They have normal jobs. They might

0:16:32 > 0:16:36volunteer in the church's book shops, which they call orgs.

0:16:36 > 0:16:38They don't wear uniforms.

0:16:38 > 0:16:40And in LA, many of them are actors.

0:16:42 > 0:16:43I grew up in Boston.

0:16:43 > 0:16:46Small-town boy with big-town dreams,

0:16:46 > 0:16:50so I decided to take the leap to Hollywood and become an actor.

0:16:51 > 0:16:54I didn't really have a plan in mind, per se.

0:16:54 > 0:16:55I just kind of came here and

0:16:55 > 0:16:59just hoped that I would find my way in the business.

0:16:59 > 0:17:01So I picked up a copy of Backstage newspaper,

0:17:01 > 0:17:04which is the trade newspaper that actors subscribe to that lists

0:17:04 > 0:17:07all the different auditions in town and all the different classes.

0:17:07 > 0:17:10And there was a huge ad - "How to break into the industry" -

0:17:10 > 0:17:13teaching you all the ins and outs of how to make it in Hollywood.

0:17:13 > 0:17:16So I took the bus up to the Celebrity Centre and I walk in,

0:17:16 > 0:17:20and we went into their theatre room to watch their orientation film.

0:17:21 > 0:17:23Right this instant, you are at the

0:17:23 > 0:17:26threshold of your next trillion years.

0:17:27 > 0:17:30You will live it in shivering, agonised darkness,

0:17:30 > 0:17:34or you will live it triumphantly in the light.

0:17:34 > 0:17:36- The choice is yours. - That's the one where he says,

0:17:36 > 0:17:38"If, at the end of this, you're not

0:17:38 > 0:17:42"convinced that this is for you, you're free to walk away."

0:17:42 > 0:17:44It would be stupid, but you can do it.

0:17:44 > 0:17:47You can also dive off a bridge or blow your brains out.

0:17:47 > 0:17:48Blow your brains out, yeah.

0:17:48 > 0:17:50That is your choice.

0:17:50 > 0:17:53When you're a new actor and you come to somewhere

0:17:53 > 0:17:55like the Celebrity Centre and they're telling you,

0:17:55 > 0:17:59"We can help make you someone like the new Tom Cruise,"

0:17:59 > 0:18:02you're like, "Oh, wow, that's what I want."

0:18:02 > 0:18:05You know, they just tell you it's a course away.

0:18:05 > 0:18:07Your happiness is a course away.

0:18:11 > 0:18:14If I see someone on the street, at the bus stop,

0:18:14 > 0:18:16you'd go up to them and just try to be their friend.

0:18:16 > 0:18:19- Give them one of these?- Give them one of these booklets and say,

0:18:19 > 0:18:21"Hey, check out my church."

0:18:21 > 0:18:24And if I get you to sign up for services, it helps me because I get

0:18:24 > 0:18:27a 10% commission on whatever you buy.

0:18:27 > 0:18:28They say it brainwashes people.

0:18:29 > 0:18:31It is, it's mind-numbing.

0:18:31 > 0:18:32No, no, no. I'm doing the...

0:18:32 > 0:18:35They say it brainwashes people.

0:18:35 > 0:18:38Do I look like I'm brainwashed to you?

0:18:38 > 0:18:40I'm your neighbour. I'm your best friend.

0:18:40 > 0:18:44Scientology is an applied religious philosophy.

0:18:44 > 0:18:47It's not a religion you just sit down and pray at an altar about.

0:18:47 > 0:18:50This is something that you actually apply every single day

0:18:50 > 0:18:53in your life - tools to improve yourself.

0:18:55 > 0:18:59- Pass them here.- Oh, my God, really?

0:18:59 > 0:19:02There is apparently one million spoken and transcribed L Ron Hubbard

0:19:02 > 0:19:05- words in all these books. - And you paid for all of them?

0:19:05 > 0:19:07I paid for all of them.

0:19:07 > 0:19:10How much did you pay for all your materials?

0:19:10 > 0:19:11For all the book course materials?

0:19:11 > 0:19:14Everything. Just for the whole services, books, everything.

0:19:14 > 0:19:16- Everything, 50 grand.- About 50,000?

0:19:16 > 0:19:1750,000.

0:19:34 > 0:19:36It's a simple ohm meter

0:19:36 > 0:19:39and there's a very slight amount of electricity actually passing through

0:19:39 > 0:19:42your body, although it's imperceptible.

0:19:42 > 0:19:47When I address thought that has some trauma connected with it or

0:19:47 > 0:19:51some anxiety connected with it, I get a particular type of reading.

0:19:52 > 0:19:55It's a device that measures thought.

0:19:55 > 0:19:59All right. Is there a particular area of your life that...

0:20:01 > 0:20:03..fixates your attention

0:20:03 > 0:20:07- or you feel is...? That, there. - Did you get one?

0:20:07 > 0:20:09Yeah.

0:20:09 > 0:20:10- Can I answer?- Please.

0:20:15 > 0:20:20I'm thinking about a time when I was about 11 or 12.

0:20:20 > 0:20:23The most basic practise in Scientology is auditing -

0:20:23 > 0:20:25it's a form of counselling using a

0:20:25 > 0:20:27primitive lie detector called an e-meter.

0:20:29 > 0:20:31OK, is there an earlier similar problem?

0:20:33 > 0:20:38Basically, you talk about memories and traumas called engrams

0:20:38 > 0:20:41- until they no longer register on the machine.- Interesting.

0:20:41 > 0:20:43Your needle's floating.

0:20:46 > 0:20:49Which is good, right? That means I've cleared something?

0:20:49 > 0:20:51I don't know. Do you feel like you've realised something?

0:20:51 > 0:20:53I feel like I've made a connection, yeah.

0:20:53 > 0:20:56That's basically what a session is.

0:20:56 > 0:20:59So how does this relate to Scientology

0:20:59 > 0:21:01and this idea of being clear?

0:21:02 > 0:21:05OK, you desensitise a lot of these things,

0:21:05 > 0:21:08like this thing that gave you a little bit of angst.

0:21:08 > 0:21:09I mean, there's tonnes of things

0:21:09 > 0:21:11that any given individual has like that.

0:21:11 > 0:21:14- Got it.- That's clear, basically.

0:21:14 > 0:21:18Though it's a religion, Scientologists don't worship a God.

0:21:18 > 0:21:21Instead, what they offer is a highly detailed,

0:21:21 > 0:21:26step-by-step programme of classes and courses, each with a price tag,

0:21:26 > 0:21:29and all of it laid out in an extremely complex-looking diagram.

0:21:32 > 0:21:35They call the teachings religious technology, or tech.

0:21:36 > 0:21:38As you advance up the bridge,

0:21:38 > 0:21:41you deal with engrams from past lifetimes.

0:21:41 > 0:21:44At the very top are the OT levels.

0:21:44 > 0:21:47OT stands for operating thetan

0:21:47 > 0:21:49and the possibility of extrasensory abilities.

0:21:52 > 0:21:56The most dedicated believers can join Scientology's clergy,

0:21:56 > 0:21:58the Sea Org.

0:21:58 > 0:22:02You can see them in church photos, styled like a Navy.

0:22:02 > 0:22:04Their glossy recruitment posters

0:22:04 > 0:22:07depict them as being like warrior monks.

0:22:07 > 0:22:09They sign billion-year contracts,

0:22:09 > 0:22:13committing all their future lifetimes to saving Earth from ruin.

0:22:15 > 0:22:19And while there may be as many as 25,000 Scientologists in the US,

0:22:19 > 0:22:23only a fraction are signed up as members of the Sea Org.

0:22:23 > 0:22:26And it's within the Sea Org that the most controversial practises are

0:22:26 > 0:22:28alleged to have taken place.

0:22:39 > 0:22:42We're going down to a little town called Hemet.

0:22:43 > 0:22:46And close by Hemet is the headquarters of Scientology,

0:22:46 > 0:22:48a legendary location.

0:22:51 > 0:22:53We're going there with Mark Headley,

0:22:53 > 0:22:56who worked and lived there for 15 years,

0:22:56 > 0:23:00from 1990 to 2005, when he blew,

0:23:00 > 0:23:02which means he left in an unauthorised fashion.

0:23:04 > 0:23:07He later sued the church for keeping him against his will,

0:23:07 > 0:23:09but he lost the case.

0:23:09 > 0:23:12And like Marty, he's viewed by the church as embittered and a liar.

0:23:14 > 0:23:18You know we've been filming with Marty Rathbun?

0:23:18 > 0:23:20Yes, I was aware of that.

0:23:20 > 0:23:21And you know him, don't you?

0:23:21 > 0:23:26- Yes, I do.- Basically, it's where David Miscavige mainly works,

0:23:26 > 0:23:28it's where he runs Scientology from,

0:23:28 > 0:23:33and it's where, allegedly, in the years running up to 2005,

0:23:33 > 0:23:36there was a reign of terror.

0:23:36 > 0:23:41There was actually a time in the mid-1990s when I was being accused

0:23:41 > 0:23:46of myself being violent with somebody,

0:23:46 > 0:23:48one of my own crew,

0:23:48 > 0:23:53and I was being interrogated on an e-meter about this incident.

0:23:53 > 0:23:56And Marty was actually standing behind the girl that was doing the

0:23:56 > 0:24:00interrogation in the little auditing room with us.

0:24:01 > 0:24:04And it just kept going on and on and she'd say, "Did you do this?"

0:24:04 > 0:24:06I'd say, "No, I didn't do that."

0:24:06 > 0:24:08And, "Did you do this?" "No, I didn't do that."

0:24:08 > 0:24:10And then Marty actually just said,

0:24:10 > 0:24:13"Listen, let's take a break for a second."

0:24:13 > 0:24:14And he cold-cocked me.

0:24:14 > 0:24:17Just boom. And he's a big guy, he's much bigger than I am.

0:24:17 > 0:24:21- He punched you?- He punched me square in the jaw, out of nowhere,

0:24:21 > 0:24:22I wasn't expecting it.

0:24:22 > 0:24:24It was just, "Boom." And then he goes,

0:24:24 > 0:24:28"Good, now go back in there and tell her what she wants to hear."

0:24:38 > 0:24:40- This is it?- Yeah, this is it.

0:24:40 > 0:24:44We're there. This building up

0:24:44 > 0:24:48on the right here, that the cinematography studio.

0:24:48 > 0:24:50It's called the Cinecastle.

0:24:50 > 0:24:53So they make promotional videos for Scientology in there?

0:24:53 > 0:24:55Films and videos.

0:24:55 > 0:24:57It looks like you could walk quite close.

0:24:57 > 0:25:00If we did, they'd know. I mean, they know we're here right now.

0:25:00 > 0:25:02There's cameras right there. We have their attention.

0:25:02 > 0:25:03No doubt, 100%.

0:25:05 > 0:25:07I'm going to take my lead from you, Mark.

0:25:07 > 0:25:09Do you think this is a good place to stop or maybe not?

0:25:09 > 0:25:12- Are you OK?- I'm fine. - You just went...

0:25:12 > 0:25:14Is it stress or are you just...?

0:25:14 > 0:25:15- No, no, I'm fine.- You're good?

0:25:15 > 0:25:18- I'm good. - You're not getting flashbacks?

0:25:18 > 0:25:20No, no, I'm not getting flashbacks.

0:25:20 > 0:25:23It's called Intbase because it's the international headquarters of

0:25:23 > 0:25:25Scientology, but it's also called

0:25:25 > 0:25:28Gold Base because it's the headquarters of Gold Studios.

0:25:28 > 0:25:32And Gold Studios was a production facility

0:25:32 > 0:25:34that L Ron Hubbard himself created,

0:25:34 > 0:25:38churning out epic Hollywood-style promotional videos.

0:25:38 > 0:25:42When the history of this planet is finally told,

0:25:42 > 0:25:45it will be a tale of exalted triumph

0:25:45 > 0:25:49that forever changed the destiny of Earth.

0:25:51 > 0:25:54We are the IAS.

0:25:56 > 0:26:01And Mark was well-acquainted with a lot of these very dramatic films and

0:26:01 > 0:26:05how they were made because he was working on them as a producer.

0:26:06 > 0:26:08You show the best spot.

0:26:08 > 0:26:09Yeah.

0:26:17 > 0:26:20- Is it this one?- Yeah. - Whose land is this, then?

0:26:20 > 0:26:22This is public. This is public land.

0:26:23 > 0:26:27So you can see this is the razor wire that's always talked about.

0:26:27 > 0:26:31See, they don't have it on the main highway road, but as soon as you get

0:26:31 > 0:26:33off the highway, then there's

0:26:33 > 0:26:37razor wire around the entirety of the property, just like that.

0:26:37 > 0:26:39And you can see the high-powered floodlights,

0:26:39 > 0:26:41you can see the motion sensors,

0:26:41 > 0:26:43those little black things near every fence post.

0:26:43 > 0:26:45Those are called fence shakers,

0:26:45 > 0:26:48so if somebody climbs over the fence from the inside,

0:26:48 > 0:26:52that sets off an alarm in that main security booth and all those flood

0:26:52 > 0:26:55lights all around the entire property turn on,

0:26:55 > 0:26:58so they can easily locate someone who's trying to escape.

0:27:02 > 0:27:03Let's hop out.

0:27:12 > 0:27:14You lived here for 15 years?

0:27:14 > 0:27:16- 15 years.- Do you feel now, looking back,

0:27:16 > 0:27:19that you were kept against your will?

0:27:19 > 0:27:23I think that I was a prisoner in my own...

0:27:23 > 0:27:26I was keeping myself here based on what they told me.

0:27:26 > 0:27:29I knew that there would be consequences of me leaving

0:27:29 > 0:27:31that would make it so it would be

0:27:31 > 0:27:35very hard for me to live outside of this world.

0:27:35 > 0:27:39Those consequences became so minuscule compared to the terror

0:27:39 > 0:27:41that I was living through here

0:27:41 > 0:27:43that it got to the point where I

0:27:43 > 0:27:46would rather be dead than to live here.

0:27:48 > 0:27:51They recite events that never took place.

0:27:51 > 0:27:55I'm left in a position of my word against their word,

0:27:55 > 0:27:58which is precisely the effect I feel they've tried to create.

0:27:58 > 0:28:00Their efforts are orchestrated,

0:28:00 > 0:28:01pursuant to a well-used litigation

0:28:01 > 0:28:04strategy that has been employed against

0:28:04 > 0:28:08L Ron Hubbard, various churches of Scientology and me for years.

0:28:08 > 0:28:11Namely, the gathering of apostates in search of money,

0:28:11 > 0:28:13who are then used as a travelling road show

0:28:13 > 0:28:16to present packaged yet false testimony concerning

0:28:16 > 0:28:19Scientologists, churches of Scientology and me.

0:28:21 > 0:28:22That was very good.

0:28:22 > 0:28:24Did you not think that was very good?

0:28:27 > 0:28:29Hubbard understood early on that he

0:28:29 > 0:28:32could spread his religious ideas using actors.

0:28:33 > 0:28:35He wrote screenplays and liked

0:28:35 > 0:28:37being photographed on set, directing.

0:28:39 > 0:28:43And, as early as 1955, he launched something called Project Celebrity,

0:28:43 > 0:28:47a list of high-profile people he hoped to recruit -

0:28:47 > 0:28:51James Stewart, Greta Garbo, Danny Kaye -

0:28:51 > 0:28:56and the practices of Scientology are like acting class techniques.

0:28:56 > 0:28:58You're learning a new role in life.

0:29:07 > 0:29:12It's an exciting day today because we are here to cast Tom Cruise.

0:29:12 > 0:29:15He's obviously the famous Scientologist in the world.

0:29:15 > 0:29:17In fact, probably a lot of people,

0:29:17 > 0:29:21all they know about Scientology is that Tom Cruise is a member.

0:29:23 > 0:29:26And Tom Cruise is best friends with David Miscavige.

0:29:26 > 0:29:29It was widely reported that David Miscavige was best man

0:29:29 > 0:29:32at Tom Cruise's wedding to Katie Holmes.

0:29:32 > 0:29:36The other thing is that Mark was involved in making the promotional

0:29:36 > 0:29:40videos, and one of the most famous and controversial promotional videos

0:29:40 > 0:29:45in Scientology was one involving Tom Cruise on Tom Cruise.

0:29:46 > 0:29:49I think it's a privilege to call yourself a Scientologist

0:29:49 > 0:29:51and it's something that you have to earn...

0:29:51 > 0:29:53Because a Scientologist does.

0:29:56 > 0:29:58And so we're going to use quotes

0:29:58 > 0:30:01from that footage to help us cast our actor

0:30:01 > 0:30:03and to understand what motivates Tom Cruise.

0:30:03 > 0:30:04All right.

0:30:06 > 0:30:07Action.

0:30:07 > 0:30:09I think it's a privilege to call yourself a Scientologist

0:30:09 > 0:30:11because it's something that you have to earn.

0:30:11 > 0:30:13It's a privilege to call yourself a Scientologist.

0:30:13 > 0:30:15It's something that you have to earn.

0:30:15 > 0:30:18Because a Scientologist does.

0:30:18 > 0:30:20- Cut.- This is not a bad place just to do a quick bit of background.

0:30:20 > 0:30:24What level is Tom Cruise at in Scientology?

0:30:24 > 0:30:27- OT7.- And is that high?

0:30:27 > 0:30:29Yeah, the only one higher is OT8.

0:30:29 > 0:30:30When he gets to that next one,

0:30:30 > 0:30:32there's nothing you can do that's higher.

0:30:32 > 0:30:35- And each one costs money, right? - Yeah, yeah.

0:30:35 > 0:30:37To get all the way to the top can cost anywhere from

0:30:37 > 0:30:40500,000 to 2 million.

0:30:40 > 0:30:43So, for me, it really is KSW.

0:30:43 > 0:30:45For me, it really is KSW.

0:30:45 > 0:30:47And...

0:30:47 > 0:30:48I don't mince words with that, you know.

0:30:48 > 0:30:50For me, that policy is just...

0:30:50 > 0:30:51It really has just gone...

0:30:54 > 0:30:55Boy.

0:30:55 > 0:30:57- Yeah.- Do you want to tell him what KSW is?

0:30:57 > 0:31:01Sure. KSW is Keeping Scientology Working

0:31:01 > 0:31:06and Keeping Scientology Working is basically like obliterating anything

0:31:06 > 0:31:09that doesn't have to do with Scientology and keeping it working.

0:31:09 > 0:31:12Any time somebody does something in Scientology that's not

0:31:12 > 0:31:16100% Scientology, you crush that person,

0:31:16 > 0:31:18so that they do not ever do that again.

0:31:18 > 0:31:20So, for me, it really is KSW.

0:31:20 > 0:31:23It's just like... It's something that...

0:31:25 > 0:31:27..I don't mince words with that.

0:31:29 > 0:31:32That policy, to me, has really gone...

0:31:32 > 0:31:35Boy. There was a time I went through and I said, "You know what?"

0:31:39 > 0:31:40Can you pause it?

0:31:41 > 0:31:43- We just paused that at random, right?- Yeah.

0:31:43 > 0:31:46I mean, if you saw him across the breakfast table

0:31:46 > 0:31:47looking at you like that...

0:31:48 > 0:31:50..that's not, you know, "pass the mustard."

0:31:51 > 0:31:55In that KSW policy, L Ron Hubbard says,

0:31:55 > 0:31:58"We want you to have a dedicated glare in your eyes."

0:31:58 > 0:32:00You know, I feel like there's a bigger question outside...

0:32:00 > 0:32:05Like, I don't understand, why does he think this is so important?

0:32:05 > 0:32:08Because Scientology's the only way that the world

0:32:08 > 0:32:10is ever going to survive.

0:32:10 > 0:32:13He thinks that without Scientology, what would happen?

0:32:13 > 0:32:15Charred ruins.

0:32:15 > 0:32:19When the day is over, the only thing that's workable is Scientology.

0:32:19 > 0:32:21Workable as what?

0:32:21 > 0:32:24As a technology, as an organisational technology,

0:32:24 > 0:32:26as a spiritual technology.

0:32:26 > 0:32:30It's a universal solvent that will handle all of the world's problems

0:32:30 > 0:32:33and the universe's problems.

0:32:33 > 0:32:36- HE WHISPERS:- They said, "So, like, have you met an SP?"

0:32:39 > 0:32:41Cos maybe one day it'll actually be like that.

0:32:41 > 0:32:44Maybe one day it'll be, "Wow, like, SPs."

0:32:44 > 0:32:47Like, they'll just read about those in history books, you know?

0:32:47 > 0:32:49Do you want to tell Caleb what an SP is?

0:32:49 > 0:32:52If you bad-mouth Scientology or speak out against Scientology,

0:32:52 > 0:32:55you're labelled a Suppressive Person.

0:32:55 > 0:32:57And there's actually a policy within Scientology

0:32:57 > 0:33:00that says how you handle a Suppressive Person,

0:33:00 > 0:33:03or how you deal with a Suppressive Person,

0:33:03 > 0:33:05is to ruin him utterly.

0:33:05 > 0:33:06It's PTSSP.

0:33:06 > 0:33:09How to shatter suppression. Confront, shatter suppression.

0:33:09 > 0:33:10You apply it, it's like boom.

0:33:10 > 0:33:12"Because they don't come up..."

0:33:12 > 0:33:15Because they don't come up to me and say that.

0:33:15 > 0:33:18Not to my face, you know, or anywhere in my vicinity.

0:33:18 > 0:33:20Where they can be...

0:33:21 > 0:33:23Confronted.

0:33:23 > 0:33:24They just don't do it.

0:33:24 > 0:33:26Why not?

0:33:26 > 0:33:28Because they're afraid.

0:33:28 > 0:33:30Afraid of?

0:33:30 > 0:33:32Of what they might find out about themselves.

0:33:32 > 0:33:34Yeah, see, that's not in there.

0:33:34 > 0:33:36- We were just improving. - No, no, no, I know.

0:33:36 > 0:33:39But what he said is exactly true.

0:33:39 > 0:33:40Why did you say that?

0:33:40 > 0:33:44It's the fear of whatever, but usually themselves.

0:33:44 > 0:33:46Are you in character now, or is this you?

0:33:46 > 0:33:48A little bit of both.

0:33:48 > 0:33:50I was going to say, he's getting really scary on me right now.

0:33:50 > 0:33:52I mean, if the intent behind it is to help people,

0:33:52 > 0:33:55then, I mean, there should be no harm in that.

0:33:55 > 0:33:57- Very good.- Great. - That was nice. Thank you for that.

0:33:57 > 0:33:59Not a problem.

0:34:01 > 0:34:03You guys have yourself a wonderful afternoon.

0:34:03 > 0:34:05- You, too.- You, too.- Very good.

0:34:32 > 0:34:34What is the license plate again?

0:34:34 > 0:34:379353...

0:34:41 > 0:34:44After four hours of the same car being behind you...

0:34:45 > 0:34:47..it starts to look a bit suspicious.

0:34:52 > 0:34:55And it's a white pick-up truck, a Tacoma.

0:34:57 > 0:34:58He's right behind us now.

0:35:00 > 0:35:02His windshield is quite dark, isn't it?

0:35:04 > 0:35:06Nothing suspicious about that.

0:35:10 > 0:35:13There's no question, is there?

0:35:13 > 0:35:14He's a private investigator.

0:35:20 > 0:35:23What you've got to remember is - this is a church.

0:35:23 > 0:35:26I mean, that's the thing, isn't it?

0:35:26 > 0:35:29It's just not like any church that you can really think of.

0:35:41 > 0:35:42I can't see him.

0:35:42 > 0:35:44I think we've lost him.

0:36:02 > 0:36:04So this is a letter that was forwarded to me from...

0:36:06 > 0:36:07..one of our producers.

0:36:07 > 0:36:11And it's from the lawyers Carter-Ruck,

0:36:11 > 0:36:15retained by the Church of Scientology.

0:36:15 > 0:36:17So, evidently they've got wind of...

0:36:19 > 0:36:21..what we're doing and they say,

0:36:21 > 0:36:25"Our client is aware that Mr Theroux has auditioned for actors to play a

0:36:25 > 0:36:27"young David Miscavige."

0:36:27 > 0:36:29They don't know we've also auditioned actors

0:36:29 > 0:36:31to play Tom Cruise. But...

0:36:32 > 0:36:34"In Relation to the auditions,

0:36:34 > 0:36:37"our client's information is that Mr Theroux filmed these

0:36:37 > 0:36:41"with Marty Rathbun in attendance and advising.

0:36:41 > 0:36:43"This is most concerning."

0:36:43 > 0:36:48And so, how do they know that Marty was at the casting?

0:36:48 > 0:36:51Was one of the actors, conceivably, did he put the word out,

0:36:51 > 0:36:53tell people in his circle?

0:36:53 > 0:36:55And did that get back to the church?

0:36:55 > 0:36:57Or was one of the actors a Scientologist,

0:36:57 > 0:37:00or was there someone on the inside who was somehow a mole?

0:37:04 > 0:37:06Or we were followed.

0:37:06 > 0:37:07Or we were followed.

0:37:18 > 0:37:21- So you know we're going to see Tom De Vocht?- Yes, sir.

0:37:25 > 0:37:33And he is another embittered and disgruntled defrocked apostate.

0:37:35 > 0:37:37- Another?- Well, in addition to you.

0:37:39 > 0:37:42Why would you call me what the church calls me?

0:37:44 > 0:37:45I was...

0:37:45 > 0:37:47Do I look embittered?

0:37:47 > 0:37:48I could care less, Louis.

0:37:50 > 0:37:54Embittered is the last adjective that would apply to me.

0:37:54 > 0:37:58I'm way beyond embittered. I don't care.

0:37:58 > 0:37:59Hey, hey, hey.

0:38:03 > 0:38:06- Guys, this is Erin, by the way. - How do you do? Louis.- Louis...

0:38:06 > 0:38:08Erin, nice to meet you.

0:38:08 > 0:38:10Are you Tom's other half, could we say?

0:38:10 > 0:38:13- We're business partners. - Really? What are you guys doing?

0:38:13 > 0:38:16A lot of people have described David Miscavige as an aloof figure,

0:38:16 > 0:38:22but I've heard that you were quite tight with David Miscavige.

0:38:22 > 0:38:24Yeah, I mean, we became pretty...

0:38:24 > 0:38:26It depends how you look at it.

0:38:26 > 0:38:29Tight with David Miscavige isn't really possible, I don't think,

0:38:29 > 0:38:32but we did get along and he did...

0:38:32 > 0:38:33He liked you?

0:38:34 > 0:38:38I think what really happens is, he may or may not like you,

0:38:38 > 0:38:41but he uses you until you're fucking used up,

0:38:41 > 0:38:43and then he chops your head off and everybody's gone.

0:38:43 > 0:38:46- It's a pattern.- It is a pattern.

0:38:46 > 0:38:47It happens to everybody.

0:38:47 > 0:38:49The guy, I mean, it scared you.

0:38:49 > 0:38:50You thought, what the hell?

0:38:50 > 0:38:53I played backgammon with him and I'd make a point to lose.

0:38:55 > 0:38:57- I mean, it was...- Why?

0:38:57 > 0:38:59I got good at it, by the way.

0:38:59 > 0:39:03- He had to.- If he felt at all that you were more popular

0:39:03 > 0:39:06or better in any way or anything,

0:39:06 > 0:39:09he'd flip, and he could flip like that.

0:39:10 > 0:39:13Then you spent a little time up there, the guy's got somebody -

0:39:13 > 0:39:15I'm sure you know this - recording him 24-7.

0:39:15 > 0:39:19Even when we were sitting there drinking Scotch,

0:39:19 > 0:39:21tape recorder is down and everything's being recorded.

0:39:21 > 0:39:23Even if you were just saying...

0:39:23 > 0:39:25If we were playing backgammon, that damn thing was rolling.

0:39:25 > 0:39:27- Why?- Are you shocked by all this?

0:39:28 > 0:39:33You are on record as saying that you saw him beat people.

0:39:33 > 0:39:34Unbelievable.

0:39:34 > 0:39:39In the real world, you'd go to jail if you did something like that.

0:39:39 > 0:39:41But what I don't understand is...

0:39:42 > 0:39:45But you seem like a normal, reasonable person,

0:39:45 > 0:39:48and Marty's fairly normal and reasonable,

0:39:48 > 0:39:49and there are other people there.

0:39:51 > 0:39:53How does someone get away with behaving in that way?

0:39:53 > 0:39:55This is the only thing I can tell you,

0:39:55 > 0:39:57you've got people who wrap bombs around themselves,

0:39:57 > 0:40:00fly planes into buildings - it's the same thing.

0:40:00 > 0:40:04You believe so much in that technology or so much in whatever,

0:40:04 > 0:40:06they can convince you of anything.

0:40:07 > 0:40:10When I got interviewed by the FBI, they said...

0:40:11 > 0:40:14"Would you help us? If we went in to Gold up there,

0:40:14 > 0:40:16"busted open the gates and went in...

0:40:18 > 0:40:19"..would you show us where things are?"

0:40:19 > 0:40:22I said, "Abso-fucking-lutely, but you're wasting your time."

0:40:22 > 0:40:25After I told them the same thing, they went to him to cross-check it

0:40:25 > 0:40:28- and we never talked!- And they said, "What are you talking about?"

0:40:28 > 0:40:30And I said, "You're going to walk in, you might find

0:40:30 > 0:40:33"terrible situations and every one of them are going to go,

0:40:33 > 0:40:34"No, no, no, this is the way we want it."

0:40:34 > 0:40:37And at that point you're done. They can't do anything.

0:40:37 > 0:40:39So they thought they could do a raid

0:40:39 > 0:40:41and liberate some of the church members?

0:40:41 > 0:40:45They thought they could do a raid and liberate and find the

0:40:45 > 0:40:47crazy shit going on. I mean, it's insane.

0:40:47 > 0:40:50It is the most destructive...

0:40:50 > 0:40:54"religion" cult I have ever read anything about or anything.

0:40:54 > 0:40:56It is a fucking nightmare.

0:40:58 > 0:41:00It really is. And I see people today,

0:41:00 > 0:41:02I meet with people who still believe in a little bit of it.

0:41:02 > 0:41:06I just want to shake them and go, "You've got to fucking stop."

0:41:06 > 0:41:08It's a crock of shit.

0:41:43 > 0:41:45We've come back to Hemet with Mark

0:41:45 > 0:41:48and we'll be getting some shots of the base.

0:41:48 > 0:41:51But I've also decided to drop off a reply to the latest letter

0:41:51 > 0:41:53from the church's lawyers.

0:42:03 > 0:42:07David Miscavige lives and works, most of the time, at the Int Base,

0:42:07 > 0:42:09so it's very easy for me to...

0:42:10 > 0:42:12..to drop off the letter.

0:42:16 > 0:42:18It's just sort of saying,

0:42:18 > 0:42:21you know, the letter that you sent us has been forwarded on to me,

0:42:21 > 0:42:24and that you're concerned that we may be following a kind of

0:42:24 > 0:42:29bigoted line, not giving Scientology the respect that it deserves.

0:42:29 > 0:42:30Hello?

0:42:30 > 0:42:32Oh, can I just give you a letter?

0:42:33 > 0:42:34Can I just...? Hello?

0:42:34 > 0:42:36- Excuse me, you're trespassing. - Let me just give you...

0:42:36 > 0:42:38I've got a letter for Mr Miscavige.

0:42:38 > 0:42:40- You're trespassing. - DOOR SLAMS

0:42:41 > 0:42:43You're trespassing and, if you don't leave,

0:42:43 > 0:42:44I'm going to have you arrested right now.

0:42:44 > 0:42:46Can I deliver a letter, please?

0:42:48 > 0:42:49LOUIS SIGHS

0:42:50 > 0:42:54There's a bloke there, but he seems enturbulated.

0:42:54 > 0:42:59It's almost like, just by receiving the letter, he seemed afraid that

0:42:59 > 0:43:01he was in trouble or that it represented a threat to him.

0:43:09 > 0:43:10We've been told it's a public road.

0:43:10 > 0:43:13We own everything. We own that, we own every house on this property.

0:43:13 > 0:43:16- The road?- We own everything here.

0:43:16 > 0:43:19They have 100-foot right of way from there from the middle of that road.

0:43:19 > 0:43:21This is our property. You need to leave.

0:43:21 > 0:43:23- The road, I'm asking about the road. - Yes, it's our property.

0:43:23 > 0:43:26- We're staying on this road. - This is not a public road.

0:43:26 > 0:43:27This is not a county road.

0:43:27 > 0:43:29This is our road.

0:43:29 > 0:43:30We own everything on this place,

0:43:30 > 0:43:33we own the golf course, we own every house along here.

0:43:33 > 0:43:35You now need to leave.

0:43:35 > 0:43:38- I'm trying to drop off a letter. - The police will be coming.

0:43:43 > 0:43:46- We'll see if my partner gets any more information.- Yeah.

0:43:46 > 0:43:48They're just probably pointing out to...

0:43:48 > 0:43:50Yeah. We're not trying to get in there, on there,

0:43:50 > 0:43:53we're not trying to climb on the fence, trying to have a stand out.

0:43:53 > 0:43:54Where you guys from?

0:43:54 > 0:43:57- London.- London?- From London, England.- How's the weather?

0:43:57 > 0:44:00This is beautiful. Is it a little too hot or am I just imagining it?

0:44:02 > 0:44:04And this is our...our film permit.

0:44:05 > 0:44:06Do you know if it's a public road?

0:44:06 > 0:44:08I believe they own the roadway

0:44:08 > 0:44:10up to 50% from the centre of Santa Monica.

0:44:10 > 0:44:15Look, if I'm six feet tall, say there's three of me from there,

0:44:15 > 0:44:18three of me there, then easily it gets to that kerb, doesn't it?

0:44:18 > 0:44:21Do you know why this guy is filming us?

0:44:21 > 0:44:23It's not bothering you?

0:44:23 > 0:44:25- That what?- That he's filming us?

0:44:26 > 0:44:29- It doesn't bother me that you're filming us.- Oh, good.

0:44:29 > 0:44:31- You guys have a good one, right? - No, I appreciate it.

0:44:31 > 0:44:33OK. Thank you.

0:44:33 > 0:44:35What's your name?

0:44:37 > 0:44:40- You need to leave, too. - Yes, that's fine.

0:44:40 > 0:44:41- Both of you.- Yeah.

0:44:41 > 0:44:42What's your name?

0:44:44 > 0:44:45We're done. Get in the car.

0:44:46 > 0:44:48Are you in the Sea Org?

0:44:50 > 0:44:51Thanks, guys.

0:45:00 > 0:45:01- Did you see that?- Absolutely.

0:45:01 > 0:45:04- We had a moment.- Yeah, absolutely.

0:45:04 > 0:45:06Did you recognise the woman who came and talked to us?

0:45:06 > 0:45:07Catherine Fraser. Yeah.

0:45:08 > 0:45:11And she, Catherine Fraser,

0:45:11 > 0:45:14her husband is a gentleman by the name of Jeff Hawkins...

0:45:15 > 0:45:17- ..who is another guy that left. - No. I've read his book.

0:45:17 > 0:45:20And he wrote a book, Counterfeit Dreams.

0:45:20 > 0:45:21He's the guy...

0:45:21 > 0:45:23Who wrote a book about how he was many times,

0:45:23 > 0:45:26or at least several times, beaten up by David Miscavige.

0:45:26 > 0:45:28He was one of Miscavige's alleged...

0:45:29 > 0:45:32- He was a punching bag. - Punching bag.

0:45:32 > 0:45:33And then he blew.

0:45:49 > 0:45:50We've brought Marty back.

0:45:51 > 0:45:54And we're doing drills.

0:45:54 > 0:45:57Marty's offered to take us through some of the Scientology TRs,

0:45:57 > 0:45:59or training routines.

0:45:59 > 0:46:02So this is my chance, and our actors' chance,

0:46:02 > 0:46:07to experience the Scientology Tech, its technology, first-hand.

0:46:07 > 0:46:10And Marty, when he was in Scientology,

0:46:10 > 0:46:13was the Inspector General in charge of tech.

0:46:13 > 0:46:15He used to maintain orthodoxy.

0:46:15 > 0:46:19He made sure all the Hubbard written drills and processes

0:46:19 > 0:46:22were implemented exactly correctly

0:46:22 > 0:46:27and so who better than him to take us through drills today?

0:46:48 > 0:46:49Hi.

0:46:49 > 0:46:51- Are you filming?- Yes.- OK.

0:46:53 > 0:46:54- Are you with him?- Yeah.

0:46:57 > 0:46:58What are you filming?

0:47:03 > 0:47:04Can you say?

0:47:06 > 0:47:08We're just filming a documentary for us.

0:47:08 > 0:47:10- For you?- Yeah.

0:47:10 > 0:47:12- Can you tell me about it?- No.

0:47:14 > 0:47:16Can you tell me about the scene you're filming?

0:47:18 > 0:47:21I'm a freelance cameraman. I'm just working with her.

0:47:21 > 0:47:23With her. What's your name?

0:47:23 > 0:47:24Not going to say.

0:47:27 > 0:47:30Can you tell me a little bit about why you're here?

0:47:32 > 0:47:34We're just filming a documentary.

0:47:35 > 0:47:37That's it.

0:47:38 > 0:47:41Because you were filming us, so I just wondered if there was a reason.

0:47:47 > 0:47:49We're just filming.

0:47:49 > 0:47:52That's it. Is that OK or not?

0:47:52 > 0:47:54Well, I'd just like to know, since you were filming me,

0:47:54 > 0:47:55why you were filming me.

0:47:57 > 0:48:00- Would you like to...? - I'm not answering this.

0:48:01 > 0:48:04- Well, can you explain? - I'm a freelance cameraman.

0:48:04 > 0:48:06- I'm just hired by her to...- Right.

0:48:06 > 0:48:08But what did she tell you about what you were doing?

0:48:08 > 0:48:10To just roll camera on...

0:48:11 > 0:48:14- ..on this location. - Come on, help me out. Just...

0:48:14 > 0:48:17- She's in charge of this.- I'm happy to tell you about what I'm doing,

0:48:17 > 0:48:20but I'd like you to tell me what you're doing.

0:48:20 > 0:48:22I guess I can't help you on any of this.

0:48:22 > 0:48:25You're going to have to talk to her. She's the one who called me.

0:48:25 > 0:48:27I, honestly, I don't know.

0:48:28 > 0:48:30You know, we don't have to be silly about this.

0:48:30 > 0:48:32Why don't you just tell me what you're doing?

0:48:32 > 0:48:35I'm more than happy to tell you about what we're working on.

0:48:39 > 0:48:40Come back. Don't run away.

0:48:46 > 0:48:49Did you know that we're doing a documentary about Scientology?

0:48:49 > 0:48:51I think you're harassing me now.

0:48:51 > 0:48:53Listen, you're filming me. How can I be harassing you?

0:48:56 > 0:48:57Come back!

0:48:59 > 0:49:00Stop running away.

0:49:02 > 0:49:05- Do you see any of that unfold? - Yeah, yeah.

0:49:05 > 0:49:07What's the big picture here? I mean...

0:49:09 > 0:49:10Why are they doing this?

0:49:10 > 0:49:12The big picture is...

0:49:13 > 0:49:18..if you look into us, we will look into you ten times as much...

0:49:18 > 0:49:20and we will make your life...

0:49:21 > 0:49:25..too miserable to continue with what you're doing.

0:49:25 > 0:49:27That's the point of it, that's the bigger picture.

0:49:27 > 0:49:29Been there, done it on both sides.

0:49:30 > 0:49:31On both sides.

0:49:46 > 0:49:49- Are we gonna started? - Yeah, I think we're good to go -

0:49:49 > 0:49:50whenever you want to.

0:49:51 > 0:49:52- Hi.- Hi.

0:49:52 > 0:49:54My name's Marty.

0:49:54 > 0:49:57OK, so he said you were willing to participate in the drills...

0:49:58 > 0:50:00- ..for real, no?- Mm-hm.- Yeah? OK.

0:50:01 > 0:50:04Student and coach sit facing each other with eyes closed.

0:50:04 > 0:50:06There is no conversation.

0:50:06 > 0:50:09It is a silent drill. There is no twitching, moving, simply be there.

0:50:13 > 0:50:19What you can do is, is if you feel like you accomplish something on it,

0:50:19 > 0:50:20just raise your hand.

0:50:25 > 0:50:29Because we're not doing it under the official auspices of Scientology,

0:50:29 > 0:50:31we're doing something that's called squirrelling

0:50:31 > 0:50:35and, in Scientology, that is the crime of crimes.

0:50:35 > 0:50:37Come on, Marty. Got anything to say?

0:50:38 > 0:50:40You can't even defend yourself on this, can you?

0:50:40 > 0:50:43- What's your name? - Why don't you answer his question?

0:50:43 > 0:50:46- I'm with Squirrel Busters Productions.- Goofball outfit.

0:50:46 > 0:50:49Squirrelling is heresy and squirrelling is the reason why,

0:50:49 > 0:50:50for more than a year,

0:50:50 > 0:50:55Marty was hounded and harassed by the Squirrel Busters.

0:50:55 > 0:50:58They were busting him for attempting to set up

0:50:58 > 0:51:01a rival church to Scientology.

0:51:02 > 0:51:04Marty, knock it off.

0:51:05 > 0:51:10Anything that is not official Scientology, authenticated tech,

0:51:10 > 0:51:15is terrible, is deeply dangerous.

0:51:15 > 0:51:16Woohoo!

0:51:16 > 0:51:20And putting the entire fate of the planet, and not just this planet,

0:51:20 > 0:51:23all planets in the universe at risk,

0:51:23 > 0:51:26because you're not doing it correctly.

0:51:26 > 0:51:29How you doing, Mr Squirrel?!

0:51:29 > 0:51:32And then debate becomes, well, is that because they want to

0:51:32 > 0:51:36maintain a monopoly over the practises because their

0:51:36 > 0:51:40whole business model is to do with selling these services?

0:51:40 > 0:51:41Start.

0:51:41 > 0:51:43You are one ugly motherfucker, you know that?

0:51:43 > 0:51:45Flunk, ever so slightly.

0:51:46 > 0:51:49Start. You are one ugly motherfucker, you know that?

0:51:51 > 0:51:52OK.

0:51:53 > 0:51:56Flunk, you twitched. This is the make or break point here.

0:51:56 > 0:51:59Now you're going to teach somebody how to have some forbearance

0:51:59 > 0:52:02and tolerance and ability to take some shit.

0:52:02 > 0:52:05You know? This is the most highly criticised drill,

0:52:05 > 0:52:07but it's the most highly sworn by drill, too.

0:52:08 > 0:52:09It's called Bullbait. OK.

0:52:13 > 0:52:16You're not a very good journalist, are you?

0:52:17 > 0:52:19You're really bad at it.

0:52:19 > 0:52:21This is probably the best you're going to do.

0:52:26 > 0:52:27Your wife really doesn't love you...

0:52:30 > 0:52:32..at all.

0:52:32 > 0:52:34She's fucking some other guy right now.

0:52:35 > 0:52:36It's probably someone you know.

0:52:38 > 0:52:39It's probably your brother,

0:52:39 > 0:52:42if you have a brother, or a relative of yours.

0:52:45 > 0:52:47Your boyfriend's having sex in another room.

0:52:52 > 0:52:55God, he's really good. I don't even know what to say. What do I do?

0:52:55 > 0:52:58- Let me do something. - OK.- Let me take over for a second.

0:52:58 > 0:52:59Let me see.

0:53:00 > 0:53:03OK, John, I'm going to do a little drilling with you, OK?

0:53:03 > 0:53:04Louis.

0:53:04 > 0:53:05Start.

0:53:11 > 0:53:12HE SHOUTS

0:53:12 > 0:53:13Jesus. Do we have to do that?

0:53:13 > 0:53:14I hate you!

0:53:14 > 0:53:17Face me comfortably, OK?

0:53:17 > 0:53:18HE SHOUTS

0:53:18 > 0:53:19- Flunk!- Can we not do that one?

0:53:19 > 0:53:22- We've got to flatten it now. - I don't like loud noises.

0:53:22 > 0:53:24Now that it's started, we have to flatten it.

0:53:24 > 0:53:26We're going to flatten this button, OK?

0:53:27 > 0:53:28Start.

0:53:28 > 0:53:29HE SHOUTS

0:53:32 > 0:53:34I think if you've seen in the public eye

0:53:34 > 0:53:36people who are prominent Scientologists,

0:53:36 > 0:53:40they have a sort of very forceful bearing and intentional type

0:53:40 > 0:53:41of personality -

0:53:41 > 0:53:44that's essentially what these things drill in.

0:53:50 > 0:53:53Purpose - to make student clearly achieve tone 40 commands.

0:53:55 > 0:53:58- Tone 40.- The highest tone. - The highest tone.

0:53:58 > 0:54:00So they'd be the most effective commands?

0:54:00 > 0:54:03The most effective command. It's an effortless thing, ultimately.

0:54:03 > 0:54:09First, locate the space in which the object is located.

0:54:11 > 0:54:13- You see that space?- Yes, I do.

0:54:13 > 0:54:15Locate the object in that space.

0:54:15 > 0:54:17OK.

0:54:17 > 0:54:21Command the object in the loudest possible voice he can muster.

0:54:21 > 0:54:23Now, we're going to get into the commands,

0:54:23 > 0:54:26which are - stand up, thank you, sit down in that chair.

0:54:26 > 0:54:27Right?

0:54:28 > 0:54:31OK. Put one hand on each side.

0:54:31 > 0:54:33OK, good.

0:54:33 > 0:54:35So, command it is loudly as you can.

0:54:37 > 0:54:39Stand up!

0:54:39 > 0:54:41Have it comply.

0:54:41 > 0:54:43Acknowledge it as loudly as you can.

0:54:43 > 0:54:44Thank you!

0:54:44 > 0:54:46Command it as loudly as you can.

0:54:47 > 0:54:49Sit down in that chair!

0:54:49 > 0:54:51Thank you.

0:54:51 > 0:54:52Now have it comply.

0:54:54 > 0:54:56- Now...- Thank you!

0:54:56 > 0:54:58OK, good.

0:54:58 > 0:55:00All right, now do this.

0:55:00 > 0:55:02Think the thought, "I am a wildflower."

0:55:06 > 0:55:09OK, good. Think the thought that you are sitting in a chair.

0:55:12 > 0:55:15Imagine the thought, that thought of you sitting in a chair,

0:55:15 > 0:55:18imagine that thought being in that ashtray.

0:55:18 > 0:55:20- Imagine it.- OK.

0:55:20 > 0:55:23Now get the ashtray thinking that it is an ashtray.

0:55:23 > 0:55:24You know, I'm going along with this,

0:55:24 > 0:55:26but it isn't making a whole lot of sense.

0:55:26 > 0:55:28- OK.- But is that OK?

0:55:28 > 0:55:30- Well, it's imagination.- OK.

0:55:30 > 0:55:31I'm telling you, put in the ashtray

0:55:31 > 0:55:33the intention to remain where it is.

0:55:35 > 0:55:38- OK.- OK. Do you get that at all?

0:55:38 > 0:55:41Well, I'm imagining it having a little voice saying,

0:55:41 > 0:55:43"I'm going to remain where I am."

0:55:43 > 0:55:44OK, all right.

0:55:44 > 0:55:49Get the idea of putting a thought into my mind about

0:55:49 > 0:55:52whether to continue this drill or to dump it.

0:55:53 > 0:55:58One way or the other, I want you to put that intention right back here,

0:55:58 > 0:56:00whether I should continue this drill or I should dump it.

0:56:02 > 0:56:04You want me to continue the drill.

0:56:04 > 0:56:05- Yes.- OK, good. I got that.

0:56:07 > 0:56:09And we always end up by the portraits of Hubbard.

0:56:10 > 0:56:13Let's give a hand to him, and everybody stands up.

0:56:13 > 0:56:16If we wanted to do that, would you be comfortable with us doing it?

0:56:16 > 0:56:19- You can do it, but I'm going to go. - If we all visualise the picture...

0:56:19 > 0:56:20I mean, I advise you guys not to do it,

0:56:20 > 0:56:24but if you want to join this guy's cult, that's OK with me.

0:56:24 > 0:56:26Just get a sense of what it feels like.

0:56:26 > 0:56:28It might not even feel weird.

0:56:28 > 0:56:30I mean, Conor's up for it.

0:56:30 > 0:56:32I don't want to do it if it's going to annoy you, Marty.

0:56:32 > 0:56:35No, go ahead and do it. I'm just not participating, that's all.

0:56:35 > 0:56:38The other thing that goes with it, Louis,

0:56:38 > 0:56:40is everything positive that happens to you...

0:56:42 > 0:56:45..you get validated by attributing it to what you learned from Hubbard.

0:56:45 > 0:56:49Everything negative that happens to you, you're counselled that it's

0:56:49 > 0:56:52your lack of application of what you did learn.

0:56:52 > 0:56:56And then it really becomes mind control, by definition.

0:56:56 > 0:56:59And that's the game. That's why I don't even want to participate

0:56:59 > 0:57:00- in it.- You don't seriously...

0:57:00 > 0:57:03I figured the whole mouse trap out and I just don't want

0:57:03 > 0:57:05to engage in it. That's all.

0:57:05 > 0:57:07I'm not participating in that shit.

0:57:07 > 0:57:08MICROPHONE FEEDBACK

0:57:08 > 0:57:10Let's give a hand to LRH!

0:57:15 > 0:57:17You see, I think the whole thing was a freaking failure.

0:57:17 > 0:57:19You want to know why?

0:57:19 > 0:57:22Because they went ahead and did what he suggested after I went through

0:57:22 > 0:57:25all that work to try to get them to become self-determined

0:57:25 > 0:57:28and able to exercise intention.

0:57:28 > 0:57:31And they all went and followed this new cult leader...

0:57:32 > 0:57:34..the Louis Theroux cult.

0:57:38 > 0:57:40Is he all right?

0:57:56 > 0:57:59Do you find my questions inane, in general?

0:58:00 > 0:58:02In general, no. I'm just...

0:58:03 > 0:58:07But the ones you're asking now, I mean, I find...

0:58:07 > 0:58:11I just don't understand why you're asking them like you're asking.

0:58:11 > 0:58:13At this point, I've spent so many hours with you...

0:58:14 > 0:58:16..and then you make everything sound so pedestrian.

0:58:16 > 0:58:18I don't know what... You're wanting me to...

0:58:18 > 0:58:21I've told the story, like, I don't know how many times.

0:58:21 > 0:58:22You want me to tell you again?

0:58:22 > 0:58:25I mean, we went through this last time I was here.

0:58:25 > 0:58:26I got into the whole freaking thing.

0:58:26 > 0:58:30I remember, these are the same questions coming again.

0:58:30 > 0:58:32Like, you're going to get a different answer now?

0:58:32 > 0:58:35Or you're going to find an inconsistency?

0:58:35 > 0:58:38You know, what's the purpose of this?

0:58:38 > 0:58:41Yesterday, it seemed like a couple of times, maybe, I was getting

0:58:41 > 0:58:43on your nerves a little bit.

0:58:47 > 0:58:48Is that a statement?

0:58:51 > 0:58:53I'm sorry you got that impression.

0:59:05 > 0:59:08Ask me something that truly puzzles you,

0:59:08 > 0:59:10that you think I might have the answer to...

0:59:11 > 0:59:13..that you haven't asked me six times already.

0:59:17 > 0:59:19What did it feel like punching Marc Headley?

0:59:22 > 0:59:26Er... It hurt my... It hurt.

0:59:28 > 0:59:29It hurt my fist.

0:59:30 > 0:59:31The guy is built like a tank.

0:59:47 > 0:59:49We've had another letter.

0:59:49 > 0:59:51To be honest with you, we've had a couple more letters

0:59:51 > 0:59:53and they are similar in tone,

0:59:53 > 0:59:59and what they basically say is, you are embarked on a project

0:59:59 > 1:00:02that is run through with religious bigotry.

1:00:02 > 1:00:07The church's version of events is that they do massive amounts

1:00:07 > 1:00:09of good work, social betterment programmes,

1:00:09 > 1:00:12they alleviate illiteracy, drug addiction...

1:00:14 > 1:00:17..criminal behaviour, they do disaster relief.

1:00:20 > 1:00:22And what we're doing is ignoring all of that

1:00:22 > 1:00:26and focusing on a tiny handful of disgruntled ex-members.

1:00:27 > 1:00:32And that Marty Rathbun, in particular, is a deeply unstable

1:00:32 > 1:00:36and untrustworthy figure with a vendetta against the church.

1:00:37 > 1:00:39These are letters from Carter-Ruck,

1:00:39 > 1:00:43the lawyers retained by the Church of Scientology,

1:00:43 > 1:00:44and they were sent to me.

1:00:57 > 1:01:01"These are from Mr Rathbun's weblog, describing the leader of the

1:01:01 > 1:01:05"Scientology religion as 'Ayatollah Miscavige'

1:01:05 > 1:01:09"and the Church of Scientology as 'Radical Scientology',

1:01:09 > 1:01:14"which is obviously abusive and offensive of both Mr Miscavige

1:01:14 > 1:01:16"and the Church." Well, first of all...

1:01:20 > 1:01:22..I think it's an understatement, if anything.

1:01:24 > 1:01:26"Mr Rathbun has an extensive repertoire of misrepresenting

1:01:26 > 1:01:30"his position. For instance, he worked as an external...

1:01:30 > 1:01:33"in an external affairs position when in the Church

1:01:33 > 1:01:35"and never served in an ecclesiastical management role,

1:01:35 > 1:01:36"contrary to his claim."

1:01:40 > 1:01:41This is absurd.

1:01:41 > 1:01:44There's absurd things in these letters that you're taking

1:01:44 > 1:01:47- for granted. - What was your issue with that one?

1:01:47 > 1:01:49Because I was the Inspector General.

1:01:49 > 1:01:50Which is what? What did you do?

1:01:50 > 1:01:54Which is actually the highest ecclesiastical position

1:01:54 > 1:01:57contemplated ever by L Ron Hubbard.

1:01:57 > 1:02:01I was the baddest ass dude in Scientology.

1:02:02 > 1:02:03The highest level...

1:02:03 > 1:02:06The hierarchy of the Church of Scientology was absolutely

1:02:06 > 1:02:08at the beck and call of me.

1:02:08 > 1:02:10When you look back at the stuff you did,

1:02:10 > 1:02:12what is the stuff you most regret?

1:02:12 > 1:02:14Why are you jumping to that?

1:02:14 > 1:02:16You ask me these questions that act as if what happened

1:02:16 > 1:02:20in a one-minute period is who I was for 28 years.

1:02:20 > 1:02:21It's bullshit.

1:02:22 > 1:02:24As I've spent time with Marty,

1:02:24 > 1:02:27it's become clear he is a double-edged figure.

1:02:28 > 1:02:31Both the chief whistle-blower, but also,

1:02:31 > 1:02:36as the Church's own documents make clear, in his time,

1:02:36 > 1:02:37the chief enforcer.

1:02:39 > 1:02:41One of the most notorious episodes

1:02:41 > 1:02:44was when he was Inspector General.

1:02:44 > 1:02:48Marty claims he arranged for a top Scientology defector to be tailed by

1:02:48 > 1:02:52two PIs because they thought he might have absconded

1:02:52 > 1:02:54with some religious writings of Hubbard's.

1:02:55 > 1:02:59And the tailing apparently continued for around 20 years.

1:03:00 > 1:03:03So you could argue that Marty went along with the regime

1:03:03 > 1:03:05until he fell out of favour.

1:03:06 > 1:03:11By Marty's account, in 2004, he'd been away on assignment

1:03:11 > 1:03:14and he returned to the Int Base to find that David Miscavige

1:03:14 > 1:03:18had created this punishment area for upper management

1:03:18 > 1:03:19called the SP Hole.

1:03:23 > 1:03:26And within weeks, Marty himself had been sent there

1:03:26 > 1:03:29and it was only then that he blew.

1:03:32 > 1:03:35You know, if those are Scientologists, they're not SPs,

1:03:35 > 1:03:37they're not outsiders. So why are they going into the Hole?

1:03:37 > 1:03:41Well, Miscavige says that they are SPs, who are working against him

1:03:41 > 1:03:43and trying to get him to fail.

1:03:43 > 1:03:46And they were sleeping in there, they would eat their meals in there,

1:03:46 > 1:03:50and you can imagine if you have 30 or 40 people living

1:03:50 > 1:03:54in an office space, 24 hours a day, for weeks and months,

1:03:54 > 1:03:57you can imagine what it was like.

1:03:57 > 1:03:59It was just dirty and degraded.

1:04:08 > 1:04:12This is something I was awarded when I got Dianetics

1:04:12 > 1:04:13on the bestseller list.

1:04:13 > 1:04:16- Oh, see, this is interesting. - A leather-bound copy.

1:04:16 > 1:04:19Let me grab some other photos, if I can find them.

1:04:21 > 1:04:25That's some photos of my third wife, Catherine.

1:04:27 > 1:04:31You know, I went down to the Int Base and I met Catherine Fraser.

1:04:31 > 1:04:33- My ex, yeah.- Your ex-wife.

1:04:33 > 1:04:36I think she, at heart, is a good person

1:04:36 > 1:04:38that's trapped in a not so good system.

1:04:40 > 1:04:42But I know that she's a good person at heart.

1:04:42 > 1:04:46I've also been spending a bit of time with Marty Rathbun.

1:04:46 > 1:04:48What was the impression of Marty at the base?

1:04:49 > 1:04:51How was he viewed?

1:04:51 > 1:04:52He was...

1:04:53 > 1:04:57..tough, uncompromising and...

1:04:57 > 1:04:58Liked?

1:05:01 > 1:05:02Not really.

1:05:02 > 1:05:04Feared, maybe.

1:05:04 > 1:05:06That atmosphere brings out the worst in people.

1:05:07 > 1:05:11Either they submit or they become one of the predators.

1:05:11 > 1:05:15You know? And Marty, for a while, was one of the predators there.

1:05:15 > 1:05:18And in a sense, he was the Mr Fix It for David Miscavige

1:05:18 > 1:05:22- and did some of the dirty work. - Oh, yeah. Yeah.

1:05:22 > 1:05:23And I don't think he's...

1:05:23 > 1:05:26divulged all, I'll just say that.

1:05:26 > 1:05:29- You don't think so?- I don't think he's divulged everything.

1:05:29 > 1:05:30What makes you say that?

1:05:30 > 1:05:34Well, cos I've read all of his books and his columns

1:05:34 > 1:05:38and stuff like that, and I just get the feeling he's tiptoeing around

1:05:38 > 1:05:39some subjects, you know.

1:05:40 > 1:05:43Marty knows where all the bodies are buried.

1:05:50 > 1:05:53This was the escape route. I was coming the other direction.

1:05:53 > 1:05:55The base is about five miles down that way.

1:05:57 > 1:05:59- This was your escape route? - Yeah, I was on my motorcycle.

1:05:59 > 1:06:02It was about, oh, low 40s, raining.

1:06:02 > 1:06:05- Were you pursued?- I don't know.

1:06:05 > 1:06:07I didn't see anybody. But I just went like a bat out of hell

1:06:07 > 1:06:09and I went down this road here.

1:06:09 > 1:06:11When you blew, this is the way you came?

1:06:11 > 1:06:13- Yeah.- When you fled the Hole?

1:06:13 > 1:06:15Yes, sir.

1:06:15 > 1:06:18So the idea is just to re-enact some of the events

1:06:18 > 1:06:22- that you lived through, Marty... - Uh-huh.

1:06:22 > 1:06:25- ..using...- And you want to have the environment to be similar.

1:06:25 > 1:06:29Yeah, I want to do it as close to the real place as we can.

1:06:31 > 1:06:32Well, it was all inside.

1:06:34 > 1:06:36So you could literally recreate it anywhere.

1:06:38 > 1:06:40I think we're good. What do you think?

1:06:40 > 1:06:43- Have a look. I can't see anything. - Have a look.

1:06:43 > 1:06:44Oh, this is great.

1:06:49 > 1:06:51So what did you think of the lines?

1:06:51 > 1:06:52- What lines? - These, the ones that I...

1:06:52 > 1:06:54They sucked, they're unnatural.

1:06:54 > 1:06:56- They're from your book. - You've got to be natural.

1:06:56 > 1:06:57It just comes out like a flood.

1:06:57 > 1:06:59Do we think we're going to put trailers out here

1:06:59 > 1:07:03or do you think that we would do just as well doing it in a set

1:07:03 > 1:07:06- in LA? - Better.- Better?- Better.- Why?

1:07:06 > 1:07:09You don't have the logistical problem of bringing all these actors

1:07:09 > 1:07:12out here. This is a logistics nightmare out here.

1:07:12 > 1:07:15OK? You've got to create that claustrophobia, you know?

1:07:15 > 1:07:19It's nondescript, cheap-ass sort of office set-up.

1:07:19 > 1:07:21Well, we'll figure that stuff out.

1:07:21 > 1:07:23Hey, before we lose the light, Marty,

1:07:23 > 1:07:27I was going to take Andrew just by the base, by the Int Base.

1:07:27 > 1:07:29He expressed an interest in doing that.

1:07:29 > 1:07:31- You don't want to go by the base, do you?- No.

1:07:43 > 1:07:47There's that red car that was there for a long time...that Marty was in.

1:07:49 > 1:07:51We're going to lose the light. We better get down there.

1:08:03 > 1:08:04What is this...?

1:08:04 > 1:08:06"Road closed"? What?

1:08:06 > 1:08:07Was this closed last time?

1:08:07 > 1:08:09No. Can they do that?

1:08:11 > 1:08:12Lights.

1:08:15 > 1:08:17Oh, shit.

1:08:17 > 1:08:18- What? That's us.- Oh.

1:08:25 > 1:08:27That's barbed wire?

1:08:28 > 1:08:32I think that's some kind of barbed wire or spikes on top of there.

1:08:32 > 1:08:33Spikes? Yeah.

1:08:33 > 1:08:35- Whoa.- Oh. That is actually quite helpful.

1:08:38 > 1:08:40And there are cameras there as well.

1:08:42 > 1:08:43OK.

1:08:47 > 1:08:49Is it trying to communicate something?

1:08:53 > 1:08:56- Why is it flashing?- You guys are trespassing and you need to leave,

1:08:56 > 1:08:58or I'm going to call the cops.

1:08:58 > 1:09:00- Hi, how are you doing? - You're trespassing.

1:09:00 > 1:09:03You need to leave or I'm calling the cops.

1:09:03 > 1:09:05It's OK, we have a permit.

1:09:05 > 1:09:08For the third time, you're trespassing.

1:09:08 > 1:09:10You need to leave or I'm calling the cops.

1:09:10 > 1:09:12- We have a permit, it's fine.- Leave.

1:09:13 > 1:09:15We've got a permit, sir.

1:09:16 > 1:09:18Are we allowed to leave?

1:09:18 > 1:09:20- Are we allowed to leave? - Yeah, while he's calling the cops?

1:09:20 > 1:09:22Or is that somehow...

1:09:23 > 1:09:25- ..not allowed? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think so.

1:09:25 > 1:09:27- I think that's what they want. They want us to leave.- OK.

1:09:27 > 1:09:30Well, it doesn't seem like we're doing much else here, right?

1:09:30 > 1:09:31Are you OK?

1:09:31 > 1:09:33- I'm fine. - You're not worried about it?

1:09:33 > 1:09:36Well, the way that guy was barking at us.

1:09:36 > 1:09:37But he was using tone 40.

1:09:38 > 1:09:41- I'm serious. - I think it was like tone 20.

1:09:41 > 1:09:42- You think 20?- Yeah.

1:09:47 > 1:09:50INDISTINCT CHATTER

1:09:53 > 1:09:54You can't see where I'm calling?

1:09:56 > 1:09:57Yeah.

1:09:59 > 1:10:00Hello.

1:10:01 > 1:10:03- Did you want to see the permit? - One is from England.

1:10:03 > 1:10:07I know he's a BBC reporter. I have no idea his name.

1:10:07 > 1:10:09Louis.

1:10:09 > 1:10:11- Louis?- Louis.- OK, the road's closed,

1:10:11 > 1:10:13you're trespassing and you need to leave.

1:10:13 > 1:10:15Apparently, it's a public road.

1:10:15 > 1:10:16- No, it isn't.- And we have a...

1:10:16 > 1:10:19- No, you don't.- But can I just show you the permit?- No, it isn't.

1:10:19 > 1:10:21- It isn't a public road.- Look. - It's trespassing.

1:10:21 > 1:10:24Catherine, Catherine... Whoa, whoa, you're assaulting me.

1:10:24 > 1:10:26You see that thing? It says "road closed".

1:10:26 > 1:10:29- Look.- No, look.- Look.- Come here, come here.- Let me show you.

1:10:29 > 1:10:31No, come on. What's your name, Lewis?

1:10:31 > 1:10:32- Louis.- Louis.

1:10:32 > 1:10:35Look, are you so stupid you cannot see the sign

1:10:35 > 1:10:36that says "road closed"?

1:10:36 > 1:10:40- But look...- Is there anything about that that you don't understand?

1:10:40 > 1:10:42- Closed?- Well, look, I've got a permit...

1:10:42 > 1:10:45Do you know what a road means? It's closed.

1:10:45 > 1:10:48- We don't want...- The road is closed. - ..to create any issue for you.

1:10:48 > 1:10:50And I don't want him filming me, so tell him to stop.

1:10:50 > 1:10:52- Well, you're filming us. - Tell him to stop.

1:10:52 > 1:10:54Well, you tell him to stop.

1:10:54 > 1:10:57- Tell him to stop.- You tell him to stop and I'll tell him to stop.

1:10:57 > 1:10:58- How about that?- Stop.

1:10:58 > 1:11:00- Tell him to stop. - Louis, you need to leave.

1:11:00 > 1:11:02Catherine, we don't need to leave.

1:11:02 > 1:11:05- Yes, you do.- Catherine, we don't. - You're trespassing.- We're not.

1:11:05 > 1:11:08Well, you're not trespassing now. You can stay here all night.

1:11:08 > 1:11:12Thank you. Catherine... Catherine, what are you angry about?

1:11:12 > 1:11:14- You're going to stand there... - My deep desire is actually

1:11:14 > 1:11:16- to speak to someone from the Sea Org.- Right.

1:11:16 > 1:11:19- Oh, right.- So you're actually doing me quite a big favour.

1:11:19 > 1:11:22Oh, Louis. Oh, yeah. You're like... Oh, yeah, you're so honest.

1:11:22 > 1:11:23Oh, yeah.

1:11:23 > 1:11:26Yeah. You take the stars in honesty.

1:11:26 > 1:11:28So this is good. Let's just keep the conversation going.

1:11:28 > 1:11:30No, we're done. Bye, Louis.

1:11:30 > 1:11:33You don't have to go. You're not trespassing.

1:11:33 > 1:11:35- Wait until the police come. - We'd like you to stay.

1:11:36 > 1:11:37Catherine?

1:11:39 > 1:11:40Can we talk to you?

1:11:41 > 1:11:43Are you in the Sea Org as well?

1:11:58 > 1:12:00Are you making a documentary as well?

1:12:04 > 1:12:05And if so, who is your one for?

1:12:23 > 1:12:26Catherine, I think we're going to go, OK?

1:12:27 > 1:12:29Just so you know.

1:12:29 > 1:12:30All right?

1:13:08 > 1:13:11- MARTY:- You guys are missing all the action inside the terminal.

1:13:11 > 1:13:12I've got Marc Yager,

1:13:12 > 1:13:16Jenny De Vocht and Dave Bloomberg, another Int guy...

1:13:18 > 1:13:20..sort of getting in my face here. I've got it on video tape.

1:13:20 > 1:13:22You guys might be interested in it.

1:13:33 > 1:13:36Anyway, you're missing the fireworks.

1:13:39 > 1:13:43So a call's just come in from Marty saying that once

1:13:43 > 1:13:47he'd got through security, there were three prominent Scientologists

1:13:47 > 1:13:49on the other side.

1:14:02 > 1:14:04So they've started again, squirrel busting.

1:14:07 > 1:14:09Can you move on, please?

1:14:10 > 1:14:12Can you guys move on, please?

1:14:49 > 1:14:52They're behaving in a way that's so obviously pathological.

1:14:52 > 1:14:54You would think that they would realise

1:14:54 > 1:14:56that other people would see that and think,

1:14:56 > 1:14:58"This is a religion of lunatics."

1:15:00 > 1:15:04They are doing it for one audience, which is David Miscavige.

1:15:05 > 1:15:08They are trying to prove that they are loyal to him...

1:15:09 > 1:15:12..because he holds all the strings,

1:15:12 > 1:15:15he has the ultimate power in Scientology.

1:15:15 > 1:15:19He could banish them from Scientology with a word.

1:15:19 > 1:15:21He holds your eternity in his hand.

1:15:21 > 1:15:24So it's not just the threat of death, it's the threat of...

1:15:26 > 1:15:29..really dying over and over again in ignorance...

1:15:30 > 1:15:33..and darkness, and that's what they think is in store for them.

1:15:33 > 1:15:38He has ultimate spiritual power over Scientologists.

1:15:38 > 1:15:42He says who goes up the bridge and who doesn't go up the bridge.

1:15:42 > 1:15:45You know? And he can bar you from Scientology for ever

1:15:45 > 1:15:48if you cross him and he knows that.

1:15:48 > 1:15:51He knows the power that he's got, the same power Hubbard had.

1:16:16 > 1:16:18You worked with David Miscavige quite a bit.

1:16:18 > 1:16:21- Oh, yeah. - He didn't like you much, did he?

1:16:21 > 1:16:22No, no.

1:16:22 > 1:16:28He physically beat me up on about five separate occasions.

1:16:28 > 1:16:31There was one case where I was in a meeting with him,

1:16:31 > 1:16:34I was presenting an infomercial script that I had worked on.

1:16:34 > 1:16:36He hated it and he's getting himself worked up and worked up

1:16:36 > 1:16:39and worked up, and finally he jumps up on the conference room table -

1:16:39 > 1:16:42he's a little guy, but he's like, you know, muscular -

1:16:42 > 1:16:46jumps up on the conference room table, launches himself at me,

1:16:46 > 1:16:48knocks me back against a partition,

1:16:48 > 1:16:51is beating my face and then he knocks me on the floor.

1:16:53 > 1:16:55And then he stalks out of the room, and there was like

1:16:55 > 1:16:59literally 30 or 40 top executives in that room.

1:16:59 > 1:17:01And they're saying, "Get up, get up.

1:17:01 > 1:17:03"You don't want to make him wrong."

1:17:03 > 1:17:04You know, like if I...

1:17:05 > 1:17:09If I laid there all scratched up and torn, that would be making

1:17:09 > 1:17:11him wrong and that would be terrible.

1:17:29 > 1:17:32This is the re-enactment, which we've been talking about doing.

1:17:32 > 1:17:36And Marty's here and we've got our set, as discussed with him.

1:17:36 > 1:17:40We've got actors, we've got a script written by Marty,

1:17:40 > 1:17:44based on what allegedly happened at the Gold Base around the time of

1:17:44 > 1:17:48the Hole, so we're going to improvise based on that.

1:17:48 > 1:17:51And we have as well in the background,

1:17:51 > 1:17:54although I haven't told Marty this yet, but we have Tom Cruise.

1:17:58 > 1:18:02I'm not suggesting that he was at the Int Base at this time,

1:18:02 > 1:18:07or that he knew what was going on, but as Scientology's poster boy,

1:18:07 > 1:18:10whatever happened in Scientology, for good or ill,

1:18:10 > 1:18:12carries his name on it.

1:18:23 > 1:18:25Welcome to the Hole.

1:18:26 > 1:18:30This is a re-creation of the watchdog committee conference room,

1:18:30 > 1:18:33which was at the International Base out in Riverside, California.

1:18:33 > 1:18:36There was a guard at the door, meals were brought in,

1:18:36 > 1:18:38sleeping bags were put on the floor, people had to sleep there.

1:18:38 > 1:18:41Miscavige then reading in all of these evil intentions

1:18:41 > 1:18:44that these people must have against him, and it must be...

1:18:44 > 1:18:46And this is kind of Scientology thinking,

1:18:46 > 1:18:48that there's some Suppressive Person

1:18:48 > 1:18:51that's poisoning everything, unbeknownst to everybody else.

1:18:51 > 1:18:53And so there was more and more people getting into it.

1:18:53 > 1:18:55When I was there, there was like 60 people,

1:18:55 > 1:18:59and apparently it went up to 80 or 100 at different times after I left.

1:19:00 > 1:19:02Were they kept against their will, would you say?

1:19:03 > 1:19:06All of the doors and windows were barred and there was

1:19:06 > 1:19:07a security guard at the door,

1:19:07 > 1:19:10so I would call that against their will.

1:19:10 > 1:19:12But if they'd wanted to badly enough,

1:19:12 > 1:19:15it's hard not to feel they could have made a run for it?

1:19:15 > 1:19:16Well, yes. Yes.

1:19:16 > 1:19:20And this is one of the things that people don't understand

1:19:20 > 1:19:21about that environment.

1:19:21 > 1:19:24I mean, take my case.

1:19:24 > 1:19:28I finally decided to turn my back on the whole subject and leave.

1:19:28 > 1:19:31I had to walk away from a 35-year commitment...

1:19:33 > 1:19:35..my wife, who I love very much,

1:19:35 > 1:19:40all of the friends I had in the world were at that Int Base.

1:19:40 > 1:19:44A person has to be so desperate to just turn their back

1:19:44 > 1:19:46on everything and say, "I don't care about all that.

1:19:48 > 1:19:53"I have to leave this place because it's just too oppressive."

1:19:53 > 1:19:58And walk out into a world that is just totally foreign

1:19:58 > 1:20:01and where they don't know anybody, they don't know the rules,

1:20:01 > 1:20:03they don't know how to get a job,

1:20:03 > 1:20:05they don't know how to get a bank account.

1:20:05 > 1:20:08You know? It's a foreign world that they have to go out

1:20:08 > 1:20:10and somehow cope with alone.

1:20:10 > 1:20:12And people say, "Why don't they just walk out?"

1:20:12 > 1:20:16Well, that's why. Because, in essence, it's a kind of a suicide.

1:20:16 > 1:20:21You have to say, "My life is over and I'm walking out of my life

1:20:21 > 1:20:24"and into a totally different life."

1:20:24 > 1:20:28You know? It's that level of desperation that you have to get to.

1:20:28 > 1:20:29And people that are still in there,

1:20:29 > 1:20:31they haven't gotten to that level of desperation.

1:20:31 > 1:20:34The people in the Hole, they haven't gotten to that

1:20:34 > 1:20:36level of desperation yet, you know?

1:20:41 > 1:20:43And this incident we're doing is when...

1:20:44 > 1:20:46..he finally decides the last person that he trusts

1:20:46 > 1:20:49he doesn't trust any more and I'm getting sentenced to the Hole.

1:20:49 > 1:20:51And then three days later, I was gone.

1:20:51 > 1:20:55Because I thought leaving was the only thing I could do to sort of...

1:20:56 > 1:20:59..wake him up. Because if I leave,

1:20:59 > 1:21:01I hold the keys to the kingdom - that should sober him up.

1:21:13 > 1:21:15What the fuck is that doing?!

1:21:15 > 1:21:19Get the fuck up! Fucking DB!

1:21:19 > 1:21:20Walk!

1:21:20 > 1:21:22Walk!

1:21:22 > 1:21:23Fucking crawl!

1:21:27 > 1:21:28Get down!

1:21:31 > 1:21:33Lick the fucking floor!

1:21:34 > 1:21:35Lick the floor!

1:21:38 > 1:21:41It may be that every religion carries within it

1:21:41 > 1:21:45the DNA for its own distinct crimes.

1:21:45 > 1:21:47Fucking mental midgets! That's right.

1:21:47 > 1:21:50The Hole and the allegations of abuse are, in my view,

1:21:50 > 1:21:54an extreme but logical extension of the principles of Scientology.

1:21:54 > 1:21:56Where do you sleep?!

1:21:56 > 1:21:57Answer my fucking question!

1:21:57 > 1:21:59- On the ground, sir. - Where on the ground?

1:22:00 > 1:22:06I am so frantic trying to light a fire under your lazy asses,

1:22:06 > 1:22:09since you routinely let everything go to hell the second

1:22:09 > 1:22:11I don't have a gun to your head.

1:22:11 > 1:22:15The Sea Org is imbued with the Spartan warrior ethic

1:22:15 > 1:22:19and bull-baiting, squirrel-busting and shattering suppression

1:22:19 > 1:22:21are part of their dogma.

1:22:21 > 1:22:23This motherfucker!

1:22:23 > 1:22:27While I'm busy trying to put things back in order,

1:22:27 > 1:22:29cos you fucking degraded beings don't get shit done!

1:22:29 > 1:22:31Look at this fucking org board.

1:22:31 > 1:22:34Fucking org board!

1:22:34 > 1:22:35You fucking SP!

1:22:36 > 1:22:39The way you fucking handle an SP...

1:22:39 > 1:22:41is you handle him roughly!

1:22:41 > 1:22:43You handle him roughly!

1:22:43 > 1:22:46Fucking handle him roughly. OK?!

1:22:46 > 1:22:48OK?

1:22:48 > 1:22:50- Yes, sir.- Yes!- Yes, sir.- Yes!

1:22:52 > 1:22:54The church denies the existence of the Hole

1:22:54 > 1:22:56and any abuse by David Miscavige.

1:22:57 > 1:23:00It provides numerous statements from people who say these

1:23:00 > 1:23:03things just never happened.

1:23:03 > 1:23:05Sit down, sit down, sit down.

1:23:05 > 1:23:08But there are also many ex church members

1:23:08 > 1:23:09who say that they did happen.

1:23:11 > 1:23:15And I've come to believe a version of this did take place.

1:23:15 > 1:23:19And watching it unfold, I kept thinking about Marty

1:23:19 > 1:23:22and his years of service and his complicity.

1:23:24 > 1:23:25OK.

1:23:25 > 1:23:29Anyone listens to this fucking cocksucker,

1:23:29 > 1:23:32you're automatically and immediately SP declared.

1:23:33 > 1:23:35Have a pleasant evening.

1:24:00 > 1:24:03Good. That was a command performance.

1:24:03 > 1:24:05We're done. That was just a command performance.

1:24:05 > 1:24:09- Is everyone all right? - He was on a roll.- Yeah, yeah.

1:24:09 > 1:24:12I just sat back and watched cos it was as if he was channelling

1:24:12 > 1:24:14that guy. That is what it was.

1:24:14 > 1:24:17And you can see, it becomes a overwhelm and you're like, "Whoa."

1:24:27 > 1:24:29What's an SP like you doing in a place like this?

1:24:32 > 1:24:34We're actually...

1:24:34 > 1:24:35You're not going to talk to us, Marty?

1:24:35 > 1:24:37Oh, look, you've got another guy with a camera.

1:24:37 > 1:24:40Hey, guys, what are you doing?

1:24:40 > 1:24:42We actually came to talk to Marty.

1:24:42 > 1:24:43- Go on.- Yeah.

1:24:43 > 1:24:45- So, anyway, Marty... - Do you want to identify yourself?

1:24:45 > 1:24:47How much is the BBC paying you?

1:24:47 > 1:24:48I just wanted to find out,

1:24:48 > 1:24:51between the foster care and what the BBC is paying you,

1:24:51 > 1:24:53is that enough to cover you?

1:24:53 > 1:24:54Can you identify yourself, please?

1:24:54 > 1:24:58Did Moby have to go? Actually, I'm having a comm cycle here with Marty.

1:24:58 > 1:24:59What's the foster care?

1:24:59 > 1:25:02The foster care, do you get paid enough for the foster care?

1:25:02 > 1:25:03You, I think, I know.

1:25:05 > 1:25:07Where is your friend from last time?

1:25:07 > 1:25:09These guys hired me this time.

1:25:09 > 1:25:10Can you tell me who they are?

1:25:11 > 1:25:12Ask them.

1:25:12 > 1:25:15They hired me to work on their documentary.

1:25:15 > 1:25:17Did you finish the other project?

1:25:17 > 1:25:19- Here's the crew.- Nicely done.

1:25:19 > 1:25:21I have no interest in being... Thanks, Marty.

1:25:21 > 1:25:22Guys, stick around, please.

1:25:23 > 1:25:25It's the same guy.

1:25:27 > 1:25:28Which guy, the cameraman?

1:25:31 > 1:25:32Can we just have your names?

1:25:33 > 1:25:35Between your foster care...

1:25:37 > 1:25:38This is really sick, man.

1:25:40 > 1:25:42This is really sick.

1:25:42 > 1:25:44They're saying, "Are you getting paid enough for your foster care?

1:25:44 > 1:25:47"Between this and your foster care, is that paying you enough?

1:25:47 > 1:25:48"How much are they paying you?

1:25:48 > 1:25:51"Between that and your foster care, are you able to survive?"

1:25:53 > 1:25:55I don't know anything about foster care.

1:25:57 > 1:26:00Monique and I are providing for him.

1:26:00 > 1:26:01It was a straight adoption.

1:26:03 > 1:26:05None of these things just happen.

1:26:05 > 1:26:07David Miscavige had to direct this.

1:26:07 > 1:26:09He scripted it and directed it.

1:26:23 > 1:26:26- Oh!- That is a five! That is five.

1:26:26 > 1:26:29- All right.- Now I've got to see what I've got to do with it.

1:26:29 > 1:26:30You lucky mother fucker.

1:26:32 > 1:26:35He brought my wife's name into it and he's brought my son into this.

1:26:39 > 1:26:41I didn't want to do it, but I'm going to have to pull the plug

1:26:41 > 1:26:43on this organisation.

1:26:44 > 1:26:46You don't bring my child into this...

1:26:49 > 1:26:52..unless you want me to do something extremely severe in response.

1:27:00 > 1:27:02Do the actors know what was going on?

1:27:03 > 1:27:05We probably shouldn't tell them.

1:27:05 > 1:27:06They'll just get upset.

1:27:07 > 1:27:08You know, welcome to my life, Louis.

1:27:10 > 1:27:12And I say, you've just illustrated it.

1:27:12 > 1:27:16Like, I'm working with these people, but I've got to withhold from them

1:27:16 > 1:27:18that these guys are in my face here because they might be upset.

1:27:18 > 1:27:21It's the same thing I have to go through

1:27:21 > 1:27:23with all of my contacts in life.

1:27:23 > 1:27:25I have to live this life

1:27:25 > 1:27:29where I can't really share what happens to me on a day to day basis

1:27:29 > 1:27:30because, if I do, it freaks people out.

1:27:30 > 1:27:32You understand the burden?

1:27:32 > 1:27:34We can't make friends.

1:27:34 > 1:27:36It's very difficult...

1:27:37 > 1:27:38..to say, "Hey...

1:27:39 > 1:27:41"..come on over for a barbecue,

1:27:41 > 1:27:44"but realise you might be being surveilled

1:27:44 > 1:27:47"and it might be going into the archive of the most pernicious,

1:27:47 > 1:27:51"dangerous cult the Western world has known in the past 50 years."

1:27:51 > 1:27:52You understand what I'm saying?

1:27:54 > 1:27:56But I will tell you this,

1:27:56 > 1:27:59he will rue the day that he brought my son into this.

1:27:59 > 1:28:01He will rue the day.

1:28:08 > 1:28:10You know, we talked early on about, you were...

1:28:11 > 1:28:13..you ran private investigators...

1:28:18 > 1:28:21I mean, some of these techniques were things you did to other people.

1:28:22 > 1:28:24You ran PIs, you infiltrated...

1:28:24 > 1:28:27You are so wrong. I never, ever even crossed my mind to think about...

1:28:29 > 1:28:32...bringing a person's child into something.

1:28:32 > 1:28:34I never, ever, ever crossed my mind to use a

1:28:34 > 1:28:37terroristic technique like that, ever.

1:28:37 > 1:28:38Nothing like this.

1:28:38 > 1:28:41I mean, you had people pretending to be people's friends,

1:28:41 > 1:28:43- while secretly...- All right.

1:28:44 > 1:28:47- I mean, I'm not trying to give you... Isn't that a fact?- Huh?

1:28:47 > 1:28:49- Isn't that a fact? - You're a fucking asshole,

1:28:49 > 1:28:51that's a fact. Fuck you.

1:28:53 > 1:28:55You know, I'm sitting here having my child brought into this thing

1:28:55 > 1:28:58and you want to fucking sit here and make me defend myself?

1:28:58 > 1:29:01Fuck yourself. I have to be subjected to this shit

1:29:01 > 1:29:05- and I've got to take this shit from him?- All right, forget it, Marty.

1:29:05 > 1:29:06Fuck yourself.

1:29:06 > 1:29:07Truly.

1:29:07 > 1:29:10I consider myself fucked. I don't know what to say now.

1:29:10 > 1:29:11Like, do you want to change...?

1:29:11 > 1:29:13You should apologise, for starters,

1:29:13 > 1:29:16and say we're cancelling that and pick up where we left...

1:29:16 > 1:29:19- All right, fine, cancel that. - ..before that whole thing started.

1:29:19 > 1:29:22But even then, I want a minute to cool down

1:29:22 > 1:29:25because this is really offensive.

1:29:25 > 1:29:28I'm really fucking offended by it. I'm telling you, I have no life,

1:29:28 > 1:29:29I can't even make friendships,

1:29:29 > 1:29:32I am unemployable, and you start giving me this shit?

1:29:42 > 1:29:44That definitely brings us to the close of tonight's event

1:29:44 > 1:29:46and the start of a whole new era.

1:29:46 > 1:29:49Yet, before we part, I want you to remember the two operative words

1:29:49 > 1:29:53with which we opened this evening - necessity level.

1:29:53 > 1:29:56The moment you realised the scope of Scientology,

1:29:56 > 1:29:59the very instant you accepted its power, one way or another,

1:29:59 > 1:30:03you were committed by necessity to help in every way you can.

1:30:03 > 1:30:07We mean it. The only slim chance this planet has...

1:30:07 > 1:30:13Rests on a few slim shoulders, overworked, underpaid and fought -

1:30:13 > 1:30:15the Scientologist.

1:30:15 > 1:30:19Later on, if we make it, what will be your answer to this question?

1:30:20 > 1:30:22Did you help?

1:30:22 > 1:30:24And I say, let's all make it happen.

1:30:24 > 1:30:26Thank you very much. To LRH.

1:30:27 > 1:30:31That inspirational speech and the film of the 2004 gala

1:30:31 > 1:30:34is the dream of how the world would be with Scientology.

1:30:37 > 1:30:41Well-ordered and grandiose, and reaching for some higher purpose.

1:30:42 > 1:30:45All the bull-baiting and the shattering suppression,

1:30:45 > 1:30:46they're justified because of this.

1:30:49 > 1:30:50And in spite of everything I now know,

1:30:50 > 1:30:54a little part of me still feels the pull of their vision.

1:30:55 > 1:30:59It may be tempting to look at the faces and see foolishness,

1:30:59 > 1:31:03but you could also choose to see good people, who are members

1:31:03 > 1:31:06of a church that's been hijacked by its own Pope.

1:31:06 > 1:31:09Thank you very much. See you next year. Goodnight.

1:31:44 > 1:31:47Well, they think they're saving the world, right?

1:31:47 > 1:31:49They see you as the ultimate Suppressive.

1:31:53 > 1:31:55See, that's... That's where you're wrong.

1:31:57 > 1:31:59That's where you're wrong.

1:32:00 > 1:32:06Ultimately, it's as if he literally, in his warped mind,

1:32:06 > 1:32:09is begging me to end all of this for him.

1:32:12 > 1:32:14He knows I'm the truth, man,

1:32:14 > 1:32:16and that is the scariest thing in the world to him.

1:32:20 > 1:32:22I am done with it.

1:32:26 > 1:32:28Your number's up, Marty. They're going to arrest you.

1:32:28 > 1:32:30They keep pulling me back in.

1:32:30 > 1:32:33- Morning.- Howdy.- We're just doing some random inspections here today.

1:32:33 > 1:32:34- Yeah.- Need to take a look in the back,

1:32:34 > 1:32:37make sure you don't have any skid missiles hidden back there.

1:32:37 > 1:32:39There's some guys in there. It is on, yeah. We're filming.

1:32:39 > 1:32:42- OK.- We're making a movie. LOUIS LAUGHS