0:00:02 > 0:00:06This programme contains some scenes which some viewers may find upsetting
0:00:06 > 0:00:08'South Africa, a country devoted to God.'
0:00:08 > 0:00:11Literally, wherever you walk in the city, you can hear a church.
0:00:11 > 0:00:14There's literally churches everywhere.
0:00:14 > 0:00:17You can...almost pick one tailor-made for you.
0:00:17 > 0:00:22'With more people living with HIV than any other country in the world
0:00:22 > 0:00:24'and 70% of young people unemployed,
0:00:24 > 0:00:28'this is a place in need of miracles.
0:00:28 > 0:00:31'Luckily, there are dozens of evangelical pastors on hand
0:00:31 > 0:00:33'promising healing...'
0:00:33 > 0:00:36If I bless you today, you are blessed!
0:00:36 > 0:00:40'..and extravagant riches to all who believe.'
0:00:45 > 0:00:48'I've got a mixed history with this kind of faith.
0:00:48 > 0:00:53'My mum took me to an African Pentecostal church as a kid.'
0:00:53 > 0:00:56The minute it became my decision,
0:00:56 > 0:01:00I've chosen not to follow any particular religion.
0:01:00 > 0:01:04I think I'm one of the few West Africans who aren't scared
0:01:04 > 0:01:07to say that church isn't really for them any more.
0:01:09 > 0:01:14'I've come here to find out why one of these magical megachurches...'
0:01:14 > 0:01:18He's your Father, he's your God, he's your shepherd.
0:01:18 > 0:01:21'..is so popular with young South Africans...'
0:01:21 > 0:01:24Do you like what I'm doing, or not?
0:01:24 > 0:01:25'..and why its preacher...'
0:01:25 > 0:01:30- Touch your breast.- '..is as rich and famous as a rock star.'
0:01:30 > 0:01:34I honestly think there is, like, no man like him.
0:01:34 > 0:01:38You are special, you are precious. You are black and powerful.
0:01:38 > 0:01:39'But will my lack of faith...'
0:01:39 > 0:01:44Watching him spend money is actually making my hairs stand on end.
0:01:44 > 0:01:48- '..see me ex-communicated?'- I don't like arrogance, I don't like pride.
0:01:48 > 0:01:51We have white people here but you're whiter than white people.
0:01:51 > 0:01:55'Or could it land me in a whole heap more trouble?'
0:01:55 > 0:01:57In one of these cars currently surrounded by men with
0:01:57 > 0:02:01machine guns, there's a man coming to see me...
0:02:01 > 0:02:03and he's pissed.
0:02:12 > 0:02:14Johannesburg,
0:02:14 > 0:02:18a city where over three million people call themselves Christians.
0:02:18 > 0:02:22Worship here is on a mega scale.
0:02:22 > 0:02:25'I've come to spend a week with one of the most controversial
0:02:25 > 0:02:29'megachurches, called Incredible Happenings.'
0:02:29 > 0:02:32Going to church is something that I haven't done in a long time. You know what?
0:02:32 > 0:02:37In all honesty, I genuinely don't remember the last time
0:02:37 > 0:02:39I went to church through choice.
0:02:39 > 0:02:41Seriously.
0:02:41 > 0:02:43'With a following in the tens of thousands,
0:02:43 > 0:02:47'Incredible Happenings is unlike any church I've been to.
0:02:47 > 0:02:50'It's led by a self-proclaimed prophet, called Mboro.'
0:02:50 > 0:02:52HE HISSES
0:02:52 > 0:02:57I release the blood of Jesus, the blood of Christ.
0:02:57 > 0:03:00Touch the screen and receive your miracle.
0:03:00 > 0:03:04Despite growing up in a poor slum, God has been good to him.
0:03:04 > 0:03:09He's now a multimillionaire, owning several houses and 30 flash cars.
0:03:09 > 0:03:13Jesus Christ! Jehovah is his name!
0:03:13 > 0:03:16But he often hits the headlines for all the wrong reasons,
0:03:16 > 0:03:20like allegedly waving a gun around in a radio station.
0:03:21 > 0:03:25Bad criticism, bad publicity, I want to thank them for that
0:03:25 > 0:03:27because they made me famous.
0:03:28 > 0:03:31I'm really excited about meeting Mboro.
0:03:31 > 0:03:35I'm desperate to know why so many young people follow him
0:03:35 > 0:03:38and what he says resonates with them.
0:03:38 > 0:03:41'It's Sunday, so I'm off to meet the church's parishioners
0:03:41 > 0:03:44'and the prophet himself at the service.
0:03:44 > 0:03:45'And with all the bad press,
0:03:45 > 0:03:49'it seems the church takes security pretty seriously.'
0:03:52 > 0:03:56This is it, this is the Church of Incredible Happenings.
0:03:57 > 0:04:00That's a catchy name, isn't it?
0:04:00 > 0:04:04Is that the man there, is that him? That's him! There you go. Mboro.
0:04:04 > 0:04:06Nice suit.
0:04:06 > 0:04:09And the prophet has a Facebook and a Twitter page, brilliant.
0:04:09 > 0:04:12And just in case you didn't get it, their slogan is,
0:04:12 > 0:04:14"It's incredible and it's happening."
0:04:14 > 0:04:18That's the sort of thing that I would come up with and get laughed at.
0:04:18 > 0:04:21'It's an hour before the main service but already there's lots
0:04:21 > 0:04:25'of young people here in expectation of some incredible happenings.'
0:04:25 > 0:04:28Are you literally just coming here to worship today?
0:04:28 > 0:04:30- Or are you involved in any way at all?- I'm an usher, I serve people.
0:04:30 > 0:04:32I'm part of the usher team.
0:04:32 > 0:04:34Part of the ushers who sing, entertain
0:04:34 > 0:04:37- and bring the spirit down and wash them.- Oh, so the choir?
0:04:37 > 0:04:39- Yes, part of the choir. - So you sing, right, OK.
0:04:39 > 0:04:42A lot of people say that Mboro does miracles,
0:04:42 > 0:04:45the prophet is someone who is capable of miracles. Have you ever seen any?
0:04:45 > 0:04:47He does plenty of miracles.
0:04:47 > 0:04:50- I couldn't walk, he healed me by his prayers.- Yeah.
0:04:50 > 0:04:52And then look at me now.
0:04:55 > 0:04:57'It's not just prayer people are buying into.
0:04:57 > 0:05:01'The church shop sells everything from holy salt and holy water,
0:05:01 > 0:05:02'to fashion garments.'
0:05:04 > 0:05:06You've got...Mboro T-shirts...
0:05:08 > 0:05:11..and you've got refreshments with his face on it as well.
0:05:11 > 0:05:12It's, erm...
0:05:12 > 0:05:17It's almost more like a concert and there's, like, a merch stand.
0:05:17 > 0:05:22- Hello, guys. How are you doing? What are you selling today?- We have...
0:05:22 > 0:05:26- That's Vaseline, right? - It's a petroleum jelly.- Yeah, OK.
0:05:26 > 0:05:29- And is that...? Is that his face on it?- Yes.
0:05:29 > 0:05:32It's been anointed by the anointment of the prophet.
0:05:33 > 0:05:35- So he's blessed this. - He blesses this.
0:05:35 > 0:05:39I used to go to church when I was younger in the UK,
0:05:39 > 0:05:41and the church never had a sales department.
0:05:41 > 0:05:43- OK.- You know?
0:05:43 > 0:05:47'Some of the young devotees are even buying blessed sanitary towels.'
0:05:47 > 0:05:50- Have you just bought those from in there?- Yes, the pads.
0:05:50 > 0:05:52- So he's blessing pads?- Yes.
0:05:52 > 0:05:55What sort of blessing are you expecting to get from something like that?
0:05:55 > 0:05:57You can put them, like, probably if you have
0:05:57 > 0:05:59- a pain or something, you can put them there...- On that pain.
0:05:59 > 0:06:01..on that pain and then it's going to go away.
0:06:01 > 0:06:03- You don't literally have to, like... - Use them.
0:06:03 > 0:06:06..use them for menstruation, it's not...they're not all for that.
0:06:06 > 0:06:08- Although you can.- Although you can.
0:06:08 > 0:06:10So would you say that guys buy them too?
0:06:10 > 0:06:13- ALL: Yeah! - You said that like I'm the crazy one for thinking that.
0:06:13 > 0:06:15- Like, of course a guy buys pads, of course!- Yeah.
0:06:15 > 0:06:17OK, well, I feel like we're really late, can we go in?
0:06:17 > 0:06:20I don't want to be any later.
0:06:20 > 0:06:23Oh, my God, wow. This place is massive.
0:06:23 > 0:06:25SHE SINGS
0:06:26 > 0:06:28'Mboro hasn't arrived yet
0:06:28 > 0:06:31'but already there are thousands of people in the church.
0:06:31 > 0:06:33'They come from all parts of the country,
0:06:33 > 0:06:39'some travelling for days to be blessed by the prophet.'
0:06:39 > 0:06:41Hallelujah!
0:06:41 > 0:06:43'Suddenly, the vibe changes.
0:06:47 > 0:06:49'The moment everyone has been waiting for.
0:06:52 > 0:06:55'Surrounded by armed guards and cheering fans,
0:06:55 > 0:06:56'prophet Mboro has arrived.'
0:06:59 > 0:07:02CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
0:07:03 > 0:07:06HE SINGS AND SHOUTS
0:07:09 > 0:07:13MBORO CHANTS AND THE CROWD REPEATS
0:07:13 > 0:07:16CHOIR SINGS
0:07:23 > 0:07:24HE SHOUTS
0:07:46 > 0:07:48Wow.
0:07:48 > 0:07:51# And I will always love... #
0:07:51 > 0:07:55HE SCREECHES: Yooooou!
0:07:55 > 0:07:56Oh, my God.
0:07:56 > 0:08:00Thank you, man. Thank you.
0:08:00 > 0:08:01Praise God.
0:08:01 > 0:08:02- CONGREGATION:- Amen.
0:08:03 > 0:08:06'The service might have started like a West End show
0:08:06 > 0:08:10'but people don't attend just to be entertained.
0:08:10 > 0:08:13'They also come here to be healed of their problems,
0:08:13 > 0:08:16'be it physical, mental or spiritual.'
0:08:18 > 0:08:21There are things that your education cannot solve.
0:08:21 > 0:08:24LADY TRANSLATES HIM ON TANNOY
0:08:24 > 0:08:26There are things that your money cannot buy.
0:08:26 > 0:08:28LADY CONTINUES TO TRANSLATE
0:08:28 > 0:08:31There are things that only God can.
0:08:31 > 0:08:35My daughter, God is going to touch you.
0:08:35 > 0:08:38People who are rejected,
0:08:38 > 0:08:39people who are isolated,
0:08:39 > 0:08:42to God they are loved and they're important.
0:08:44 > 0:08:46I'm going to sing this song.
0:08:46 > 0:08:50# Love lifted me... #
0:08:50 > 0:08:53SHE SOBS
0:08:53 > 0:08:58# You know love lifted me... #
0:08:58 > 0:09:00SHE SCREAMS
0:09:00 > 0:09:05# Oooh! Love lifted me. #
0:09:05 > 0:09:06I believe in you, my God!
0:09:06 > 0:09:09I need you to save me, my God!
0:09:09 > 0:09:10Oh, my God!
0:09:10 > 0:09:14'Mboro's congregation is deeply affected by his message
0:09:14 > 0:09:18'and health is not the only issue he preaches about.
0:09:18 > 0:09:22'15 million black South Africans live in poverty,
0:09:22 > 0:09:25'so Mboro has dedicated a prayer for financial healing.'
0:09:25 > 0:09:27- Say Jesus. CONGREGATION:- Jesus.
0:09:27 > 0:09:31'As a nonbeliever, and not wanting to pretend to pray,
0:09:31 > 0:09:35'I find myself in an awkward position.'
0:09:35 > 0:09:37- I receive hope. ALL:- I receive hope.
0:09:37 > 0:09:40- To go and look for a job. - To go and look for a job.
0:09:40 > 0:09:43To go and start a business To go and start a business.
0:09:43 > 0:09:46- To stand up again. - To stand up again.
0:09:46 > 0:09:49- I will never fail. - I will never fail.
0:09:49 > 0:09:51- In Jesus' name. - In Jesus'...
0:09:51 > 0:09:53HE SHOUTS AND THEY REPEAT
0:09:56 > 0:09:58'I can understand financial problems,
0:09:58 > 0:10:00'but during the service there are things
0:10:00 > 0:10:02'that I can't quite comprehend.'
0:10:02 > 0:10:05She says her vagina is painful.
0:10:05 > 0:10:07WOMAN HOWLS
0:10:07 > 0:10:09There's a beast that came at night.
0:10:09 > 0:10:11I just want to die.
0:10:11 > 0:10:12- Just want to die?- Yes.
0:10:12 > 0:10:16- No, ma'am.- I need you to pray with me and pray for me.
0:10:16 > 0:10:21'This 22-year-old woman attempted to take her own life
0:10:21 > 0:10:24'as she believes she was raped by an evil spirit.'
0:10:24 > 0:10:26SHE SHRIEKS
0:10:31 > 0:10:34'The prophet doesn't shy away from healing
0:10:34 > 0:10:38'this follower's private parts. His word for the vagina is "biscuit".'
0:10:38 > 0:10:40Oh, my God. He's stepping on her.
0:10:42 > 0:10:44- This beast...- This beast...
0:10:44 > 0:10:46..on my biscuit.
0:10:46 > 0:10:47Let it die.
0:10:47 > 0:10:48Die!
0:10:48 > 0:10:50SHE CRIES OUT
0:10:50 > 0:10:51Die!
0:10:54 > 0:10:55SHE SHRIEKS
0:11:04 > 0:11:05Say "Jesus!"
0:11:05 > 0:11:07- ALL:- Jesus!
0:11:07 > 0:11:08"Jesus!"
0:11:08 > 0:11:10Jesus!
0:11:10 > 0:11:13- "My vagina is clean." - My vagina is clean.
0:11:13 > 0:11:16'I may have gone to a Pentecostal church,
0:11:16 > 0:11:19'but I've never seen anything like this.
0:11:20 > 0:11:26'After a seven-hour show, hands in the air go to hands in the pockets.'
0:11:27 > 0:11:29And now they are all pouring forward
0:11:29 > 0:11:32to put their money in the baskets in the front.
0:11:32 > 0:11:34'According to the prophet himself,
0:11:34 > 0:11:38'these followers contribute over £1 million a year
0:11:38 > 0:11:41'to him and his church through donations, events
0:11:41 > 0:11:43'and buying merchandise.'
0:11:43 > 0:11:45HE SHOUTS
0:11:48 > 0:11:50HE SHOUTS
0:11:54 > 0:11:56Hallelujah!
0:11:56 > 0:11:57- WOMAN:- Amen.
0:11:57 > 0:11:59'With the service over,
0:11:59 > 0:12:02'I've been granted a short audience with the prophet.'
0:12:02 > 0:12:04Hello, I'm Reggie. Lovely to meet you.
0:12:04 > 0:12:06The Reggie they have been speaking about.
0:12:06 > 0:12:08Thank you so much for having us at your service today.
0:12:08 > 0:12:10You are quite the entertainer.
0:12:10 > 0:12:14It was incredible, it was almost like a concert, almost, you know.
0:12:14 > 0:12:16You are almost like a rock star to some of these guys,
0:12:16 > 0:12:19the way they are reacting to you on stage.
0:12:19 > 0:12:22For me, I just want to have fun with my people, make them happy
0:12:22 > 0:12:24while I minister to them.
0:12:24 > 0:12:25Yeah.
0:12:25 > 0:12:28So they can forget where they come from and look where they are
0:12:28 > 0:12:30and enjoy God in a different way.
0:12:30 > 0:12:32One of the things that I think
0:12:32 > 0:12:34is definitely going to stick out in my mind
0:12:34 > 0:12:38when I leave here today is casting the bad spirits out of that lady
0:12:38 > 0:12:39that was lying on the floor.
0:12:39 > 0:12:42Witchcraft is rife here in South Africa.
0:12:42 > 0:12:46When I was young, I used to be troubled by those spirits,
0:12:46 > 0:12:47talking cats.
0:12:47 > 0:12:51I know you don't know that cats here, they talk. And...
0:12:51 > 0:12:54Calling my name and things choking me at night.
0:12:54 > 0:12:56When I received Jesus Christ,
0:12:56 > 0:12:59the main purpose was to come out of those things.
0:12:59 > 0:13:04In Africa we have faith. It's just that we have it in different things.
0:13:04 > 0:13:06Yeah. Real education, coming here today. Thank you for having us.
0:13:06 > 0:13:08Thank you very much. God bless you.
0:13:08 > 0:13:11- I don't want to get in the way of your security guards. - It's fine, they're cool.
0:13:11 > 0:13:14- They're massive. See you later. - Thanks.- Bye-bye.- OK.
0:13:19 > 0:13:24'As Mboro leaves with his entourage in a fleet of flash cars,
0:13:24 > 0:13:25'I was left bewildered.
0:13:26 > 0:13:29'I can't work out why young people buy into all of this.'
0:13:30 > 0:13:34In all honesty, it was just bizarre today.
0:13:34 > 0:13:37I mean, the offering culture is something that we have in the UK,
0:13:37 > 0:13:40but if you see a 20 quid in there, you are going to think,
0:13:40 > 0:13:42"Wow...someone's gone for it."
0:13:42 > 0:13:46But here, it's just envelopes. And then...
0:13:46 > 0:13:49Buy water that has been blessed and buy salt that has been blessed
0:13:49 > 0:13:51and buy Vaseline that has been blessed.
0:13:51 > 0:13:54There's lots of things that I want to find out about because,
0:13:54 > 0:13:57in all honesty, on face value,
0:13:57 > 0:13:59it's really unsettling.
0:14:13 > 0:14:17'Yesterday's Sunday service was out of this world.
0:14:17 > 0:14:20'If I'm going to understand young people's beliefs here,
0:14:20 > 0:14:24'then I need to know more about the man that they follow.
0:14:24 > 0:14:27'So I've arranged to meet Mboro at his favourite suit shop.
0:14:27 > 0:14:31'Unfortunately, there's no sign of him.
0:14:31 > 0:14:32'So I wait.
0:14:35 > 0:14:36'And I wait.
0:14:39 > 0:14:40'And I wait.'
0:14:42 > 0:14:44You sort of hear loads of things about "Africa time",
0:14:44 > 0:14:48but you don't really get it until you experience it.
0:14:48 > 0:14:53The word is that the longer you wait for someone,
0:14:53 > 0:14:57the more important they are or the more important you deem them to be.
0:14:57 > 0:14:59And...
0:14:59 > 0:15:02he is two hours more important than he used to be to me now.
0:15:06 > 0:15:10'I'm not one for waiting on people, so I'm getting started without him.'
0:15:11 > 0:15:13- Hello. How are you doing? I'm Reggie.- I'm Greg.
0:15:13 > 0:15:16- Nice to meet you, Greg.- You, too. - Hello, boss. How are you doing?
0:15:16 > 0:15:17I'm sorry that we are so late.
0:15:17 > 0:15:20- I've been waiting for Mboro for the last few hours.- No problem.
0:15:20 > 0:15:23I figured I'd come and see the place myself. He's quite a flamboyant guy.
0:15:23 > 0:15:25What sort of thing does he normally go for?
0:15:25 > 0:15:27He actually goes for one of our...
0:15:27 > 0:15:31Well, for our top brand, which is a top Italian brand.
0:15:31 > 0:15:34- Well, that's the...- Very out there. - That's hardly going to have you
0:15:34 > 0:15:37- slip into the background, isn't it? - Correct.
0:15:37 > 0:15:38Who else shops here?
0:15:38 > 0:15:41Pastors, footballers, Bafana Bafana guys,
0:15:41 > 0:15:43all the hip-hop stars.
0:15:43 > 0:15:48Where I'm from, the footballers and rappers and entertainers,
0:15:48 > 0:15:51- you kind of expect them to go to the same clubs and the same shops. - Yeah, yeah.
0:15:51 > 0:15:55But you wouldn't expect them to shop in the same place as the pastors.
0:15:55 > 0:15:58- Are the pastors here like celebrities as well?- They are.
0:15:58 > 0:16:00The pastors actually are huge celebrities here.
0:16:00 > 0:16:03How much is one of these suits going to set you back?
0:16:03 > 0:16:06- They range between 25,000 and 40,000 rand.- Wow.
0:16:06 > 0:16:10'With suits costing up to £3,000,
0:16:10 > 0:16:13'this is definitely a shop for the high-rollers.
0:16:13 > 0:16:14'After three hours,
0:16:14 > 0:16:17'the celebrity prophet finally arrives with his entourage.
0:16:17 > 0:16:20'As ever, he's dressed to impress.'
0:16:20 > 0:16:23You're looking pretty sharp for a quiet, normal Monday.
0:16:23 > 0:16:28- I just dressed up to come and see you.- Really?
0:16:28 > 0:16:33- I have to put on a tie for you. - Oh, really?- You must be special.
0:16:33 > 0:16:35I was going to say! You're making me feel special.
0:16:35 > 0:16:37The way you wear, it speaks.
0:16:37 > 0:16:38It tells who you are.
0:16:38 > 0:16:42And I know you've got good stuff at home.
0:16:42 > 0:16:45- I left the good stuff at home, is that what you are saying?- I know.
0:16:45 > 0:16:48Oh, right, I know what you're saying!
0:16:48 > 0:16:52So, if I'm going to come back to your church this weekend,
0:16:52 > 0:16:54I need to be dressed appropriately, right?
0:16:54 > 0:16:57So, could you help me find something to wear?
0:16:57 > 0:16:59Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
0:16:59 > 0:17:02You seem unsure. OK. What is going to be suitable?
0:17:02 > 0:17:04I'm tempted by that crazy gold-and-black number.
0:17:04 > 0:17:09Can I... I just want to see it on me. Go on, Tom. Get it on me, Tom.
0:17:09 > 0:17:12Yeah, that's not happening. Those shoulders are not happening.
0:17:12 > 0:17:14Look at that. Look at the monkey arms as well.
0:17:16 > 0:17:19- It's a nice colour.- It's a good colour.- It looks very...
0:17:19 > 0:17:22- You need it to...hm!- Ah.
0:17:22 > 0:17:24- Show the...hm!- OK.
0:17:24 > 0:17:26MBORO LAUGHS
0:17:26 > 0:17:29- So what sort of thing would you go for, then?- That's the thing.
0:17:29 > 0:17:34- When I come here, I take...- A trolley load, or two or three or four.
0:17:34 > 0:17:36Yeah.
0:17:36 > 0:17:40I spend over 100 grand just in one day.
0:17:40 > 0:17:42And I come back again and I just...
0:17:43 > 0:17:46Sometimes he can come two, three times in one week.
0:17:46 > 0:17:50That's a lot of money on suits, though, isn't it? A lot of money on suits.
0:17:50 > 0:17:54When I buy, I just... Yeah, this is nice.
0:17:54 > 0:17:58'I was always taught that Christianity was about being
0:17:58 > 0:18:02'humble and modest, not splashing £7,000 a visit on outfits.'
0:18:03 > 0:18:07Watching him spend that money, like that, on that,
0:18:07 > 0:18:10is actually making my hairs stand on end.
0:18:11 > 0:18:13And I feel a bit sick.
0:18:13 > 0:18:16'So I've decided not to buy a flash suit for Sunday best.'
0:18:16 > 0:18:21Yeah, I don't think I will get one. Yeah, I think what I should do is...
0:18:21 > 0:18:22- WOMAN: Smart-casual. - No, be me.
0:18:22 > 0:18:25And that's what I think I'm going... Is the best thing for me to do.
0:18:25 > 0:18:30- But definitely you have to be different.- Different? OK.
0:18:30 > 0:18:33You are presenting something to another world.
0:18:33 > 0:18:36- What is it you think I should be projecting, then?- Your image.
0:18:36 > 0:18:40Your image. You are Reggie, you understand what I'm saying?
0:18:40 > 0:18:45You know, your presentation is not only for you. A lot of people are...
0:18:45 > 0:18:47are still in the hole.
0:18:48 > 0:18:53They want... When you say, "Come, let's go," they look at you first.
0:18:53 > 0:18:56If I wear something awesome, they say, "Wow." They get excited.
0:18:56 > 0:18:58It's about building somebody else.
0:18:58 > 0:19:00This is my blazer.
0:19:02 > 0:19:04It's clearly not as expensive.
0:19:04 > 0:19:07It saves you a lot. You save a lot.
0:19:07 > 0:19:10I think your blazer cost a bit more.
0:19:10 > 0:19:12A bit of design went into yours.
0:19:12 > 0:19:16- So she will come and sort you out. - Perfect. Thanks, boss.
0:19:16 > 0:19:18- As we normally do. - Nice to see you again.- Thank you.
0:19:18 > 0:19:22'It sounds like Mboro wants to lead everyone by example.
0:19:22 > 0:19:25'But personally, I'm starting to find him hard to follow.'
0:19:25 > 0:19:27I can't help feeling like the ugly sister.
0:19:27 > 0:19:31I should get a T-shirt that just says, "#awkward" on it,
0:19:31 > 0:19:34and just wear that the entire trip, right?
0:19:34 > 0:19:37'Welcome to Incredible Happenings...'
0:19:37 > 0:19:40'Like many churches in South Africa,
0:19:40 > 0:19:44'Mboro has his own daily TV and radio shows.
0:19:44 > 0:19:49'He claims to heal and deliver miracles to millions over the airwaves.'
0:19:49 > 0:19:53'Don't miss it for anything in the world. God bless you.'
0:19:53 > 0:19:57'I've been invited to join him on one of his live broadcasts.
0:19:57 > 0:20:00'But first I'm meeting up with his team to pick up some takeaway
0:20:00 > 0:20:04'from the township where Mboro grew up.
0:20:04 > 0:20:07'And his PA, Ntombi, is already tucking into hers.'
0:20:07 > 0:20:09What are you eating?
0:20:09 > 0:20:11- They call this... - SHE SPEAKS ZULU
0:20:11 > 0:20:13What the hell did you just do with your mouth?
0:20:13 > 0:20:14What are you eating?
0:20:14 > 0:20:16SHE SPEAKS ZULU
0:20:16 > 0:20:18- "Aman..." - REGGIE CLICKS TONGUE
0:20:18 > 0:20:20HE LAUGHS
0:20:20 > 0:20:23Is that Zulu?
0:20:23 > 0:20:27Yes. M-A-Q-H-I.
0:20:27 > 0:20:28So Q-H-I is...
0:20:28 > 0:20:30HE CLICKS TONGUE
0:20:30 > 0:20:32That is the best thing I've ever heard!
0:20:32 > 0:20:36'Also stopping for food is Mboro's chief of security,
0:20:36 > 0:20:39'a man who leads a team of eight armed bodyguards.
0:20:39 > 0:20:42'So I take this opportunity to ask him about the prophet's need for protection.'
0:20:42 > 0:20:46You're a pretty important man when it comes to the prophet, right?
0:20:46 > 0:20:47Yes. I am!
0:20:47 > 0:20:50- You used to be in the police, did you?- Even now I am.
0:20:50 > 0:20:52- You still are in the police? - Yes.- Right.
0:20:52 > 0:20:54OK. What's your role in the police force?
0:20:54 > 0:20:55I'm a commander.
0:20:55 > 0:20:58Wow. So you're pretty high up in the police force.
0:20:58 > 0:21:01How dangerous is it to be somebody as well known as him?
0:21:01 > 0:21:04There's the people that they can take chances and opportunities
0:21:04 > 0:21:06when they see that now...
0:21:06 > 0:21:08So it's just protecting yourself? I see. OK.
0:21:08 > 0:21:11Why do people look to the prophet so much?
0:21:11 > 0:21:12Why do so many people love him?
0:21:12 > 0:21:16It makes a difference to the other people's lives. You know.
0:21:16 > 0:21:17And remember one thing.
0:21:17 > 0:21:20There's something that people don't know about prophets.
0:21:20 > 0:21:24The prophet they've got, they... How can I put it?
0:21:24 > 0:21:25They've got a different world.
0:21:25 > 0:21:28Sometimes you can think that he's so upset about you.
0:21:28 > 0:21:32It's not. It's because they see something that you don't see.
0:21:33 > 0:21:35'I don't know what I'm not seeing,
0:21:35 > 0:21:38'but I wonder if the commander is trying to warn me
0:21:38 > 0:21:41'that Mboro is upset that I didn't buy a suit for church.'
0:21:42 > 0:21:44It's coming
0:21:44 > 0:21:46close to hand.
0:21:46 > 0:21:48'Today's call-in show is already under way.
0:21:48 > 0:21:51'I'm not sure what I missed, but it sounds serious.'
0:21:51 > 0:21:56We just received a caller explaining that the daughter's panty,
0:21:56 > 0:22:01something bad, something very dark is coming out.
0:22:01 > 0:22:06And the mother is experiencing... The tummy has...is growing.
0:22:06 > 0:22:10Those are the evil spirits. I swear right now, touch the radio.
0:22:10 > 0:22:14Touch the screen of your television. God will heal you.
0:22:14 > 0:22:18On Sunday you can bring your underwear. I'm going to pray for it.
0:22:18 > 0:22:21It's your point of contact.
0:22:21 > 0:22:24I am going to release the power of God through it.
0:22:24 > 0:22:27Touch wherever you have a problem.
0:22:27 > 0:22:30Touch your biscuit, touch your vuvuzela.
0:22:30 > 0:22:31Touch your breast.
0:22:31 > 0:22:33Touch yourself. And receive your miracle.
0:22:35 > 0:22:38I'm praying right now. Say, "Jesus,
0:22:38 > 0:22:39"you are healing me now.
0:22:39 > 0:22:42"Devil, you go out."
0:22:42 > 0:22:43ALL REPEAT WORDS
0:22:43 > 0:22:47Out in the name of Jesus!
0:22:47 > 0:22:50Power in the name of Jesus!
0:22:50 > 0:22:54Touch the radio right now. God is healing you.
0:22:54 > 0:22:57Tomorrow we are continuing, nine o'clock until ten o'clock,
0:22:57 > 0:22:59This is Prophet PFP Motsoeneng, saying,
0:22:59 > 0:23:02"It's incredible, it's happening."
0:23:02 > 0:23:03God bless you.
0:23:03 > 0:23:06'Incredible Happenings by Prophet PFP Motsoeneng
0:23:06 > 0:23:09'on Kasie FM 97.1.'
0:23:09 > 0:23:13- How many people would you get to listen to your show?- This is...
0:23:13 > 0:23:15- Over 200,000.- 200,000, yes.
0:23:15 > 0:23:18Wow. Is this an extension of the church?
0:23:18 > 0:23:22It's an outreach because here you also hear of the disasters
0:23:22 > 0:23:25- that are happening in the communities.- Right.
0:23:25 > 0:23:27Problems that we didn't know about.
0:23:27 > 0:23:30Touching stories. Then we get involved in that.
0:23:30 > 0:23:33You find what is happening, you can go there to the people
0:23:33 > 0:23:35and deal with their issues.
0:23:35 > 0:23:37I'm going to ask you one more question before you go.
0:23:37 > 0:23:40It sounded like you were asking people to bring their underwear
0:23:40 > 0:23:44- to the church on Sunday because you wanted to bless that.- That's right.
0:23:44 > 0:23:46Now, for somebody from, I guess,
0:23:46 > 0:23:48quite a traditional Christian church,
0:23:48 > 0:23:51I can imagine them not really getting that.
0:23:51 > 0:23:53If we have never experienced something, like you...
0:23:53 > 0:23:56You have never experienced what we are talking about,
0:23:56 > 0:23:58but we don't have to wait for you to understand
0:23:58 > 0:24:01because you are not in this world, you know, in our world.
0:24:01 > 0:24:03You are in another world.
0:24:06 > 0:24:08Thanks, boss.
0:24:08 > 0:24:13My host, my master. My boss!
0:24:16 > 0:24:20'Mboro is right. I don't understand this form of Christianity.
0:24:21 > 0:24:25'And it bothers me that a man of the cloth can be a self-made millionaire.'
0:24:27 > 0:24:31I don't agree with what he's doing.
0:24:31 > 0:24:34I've said it. I don't.
0:24:34 > 0:24:38He believes that he is giving a service,
0:24:38 > 0:24:41he's delivering a service, and therefore he should be paid for it.
0:24:44 > 0:24:46If you are selling cars, yeah, maybe.
0:24:46 > 0:24:49But you're not, you're selling hope...and faith.
0:25:00 > 0:25:02After just a couple of days,
0:25:02 > 0:25:05I've pretty much made up my mind about Mboro.
0:25:05 > 0:25:09But here, young and intelligent people are devoted to his church.
0:25:09 > 0:25:11So maybe I'm missing the point.
0:25:13 > 0:25:16'I've come to meet 21-year-old Fifi and Kiki.'
0:25:16 > 0:25:18Good to meet you, finally.
0:25:18 > 0:25:19'After Mboro's call-out,
0:25:19 > 0:25:23'they're shopping for underwear to be blessed at Sunday's service.
0:25:23 > 0:25:26'And I'm determined to get to the bottom of this.'
0:25:26 > 0:25:29Blessing underwear, what issues is that covering?
0:25:29 > 0:25:32There are a lot of stories with...
0:25:32 > 0:25:35things that happen under the... You know.
0:25:35 > 0:25:41I remember where a lady had worms coming out of her...biscuit.
0:25:43 > 0:25:45- So...- I remember that story.
0:25:45 > 0:25:50So they had to take raw liver, so that those worms couldn't eat her,
0:25:50 > 0:25:55because the worms would eat her if she didn't have any kind of liver.
0:25:55 > 0:25:56I'm trying to get it.
0:25:56 > 0:25:59I'm trying to understand why this is normal in your world and,
0:25:59 > 0:26:03genuinely, I'm still not... convinced. I'm still not getting it.
0:26:03 > 0:26:08I'm black, so we obviously believe that you can be bewitched.
0:26:08 > 0:26:11Yeah, but I'm black, too, and I don't believe it.
0:26:11 > 0:26:12But you're not from here.
0:26:12 > 0:26:16Until you go through a certain path and understand where
0:26:16 > 0:26:20- other people are coming from, then you'll never understand. - Yeah.- OK.
0:26:20 > 0:26:22All right. Shall we get your underwear, then?
0:26:22 > 0:26:23We going to do this?
0:26:24 > 0:26:27I'm sorry - this is just so surreal.
0:26:27 > 0:26:31How do you decide what pants you're going to show in church?
0:26:31 > 0:26:33Er, gorgeous ones!
0:26:34 > 0:26:37This is just really surreal for me. I mean, first and foremost,
0:26:37 > 0:26:41shopping for underwear with women makes me uncomfortable, anyway.
0:26:41 > 0:26:45But shopping for underwear to show in church...
0:26:45 > 0:26:47Bikinis.
0:26:47 > 0:26:49It's just normal for them. They're just going for it.
0:26:49 > 0:26:51She had to open them.
0:26:51 > 0:26:54Of course. And it's the wrong thing...
0:26:54 > 0:26:58- So a thong is out of the question, then?- I don't like thongs.
0:26:58 > 0:27:00- I'm not a big fan of that.- Me too.
0:27:00 > 0:27:03I think I've found the pants that I could buy.
0:27:03 > 0:27:06- Shall I buy a multi-pack so he can bless me for a whole week? - Whole week?
0:27:06 > 0:27:08Do you guys have XXXL, anyone?
0:27:08 > 0:27:13- Oh, my God.- No? I'll go with large, then. I'll go with large.
0:27:13 > 0:27:18'Sunday's undies might be sorted but I'm really none the wiser.
0:27:18 > 0:27:21'I don't live in a world with evil spirits and demons.
0:27:24 > 0:27:28'To help me understand how real witchcraft is here,
0:27:28 > 0:27:31'the girls are taking me to a place they don't normally like to go.'
0:27:33 > 0:27:35What is that?
0:27:36 > 0:27:39'It's like a roadkill Hall of Fame over here.
0:27:39 > 0:27:42'In downtown Johannesburg sits Faraday Market
0:27:42 > 0:27:45'where they sell anything and everything
0:27:45 > 0:27:48'a witch doctor may need for blessings or curses.'
0:27:48 > 0:27:51What would something like that be used for?
0:27:51 > 0:27:54It's like an animal with its guts hanging out just there.
0:27:54 > 0:27:55What do you reckon?
0:27:55 > 0:27:59That, for me, is freaking me out. I don't want to lie.
0:27:59 > 0:28:02- Everything is just disturbing.- Yeah.
0:28:02 > 0:28:05- And... - And they also use human body parts.
0:28:05 > 0:28:07We believe, you know...
0:28:07 > 0:28:10So you are saying that your church believes that
0:28:10 > 0:28:12a lot of the bad things that are happening are down to
0:28:12 > 0:28:15some of the workings of places like this? How does that happen, then?
0:28:15 > 0:28:18It boils down to a sacrifice.
0:28:18 > 0:28:21OK. You guys, you're young, you are very switched on,
0:28:21 > 0:28:24and you're clearly quite against what happens here.
0:28:24 > 0:28:26Is that more to do with your religion
0:28:26 > 0:28:30or is that more to do with you just not believing that any of this works
0:28:30 > 0:28:31and it's just strange?
0:28:31 > 0:28:32We don't...
0:28:32 > 0:28:34It's not that it doesn't work, it does work.
0:28:34 > 0:28:37Hence why we are fighting against it.
0:28:37 > 0:28:39So do you see yourself as protected by the church
0:28:39 > 0:28:41and by what happens there?
0:28:41 > 0:28:44I see myself protected by God, firstly,
0:28:44 > 0:28:46and then the prayers at church.
0:28:50 > 0:28:53'I can see that in Fifi and Kiki's world,
0:28:53 > 0:28:57'they need a guardian angel, and Mboro provides that in his church.
0:29:00 > 0:29:03'But as I'm not part of his fold, I'm not protected.'
0:29:04 > 0:29:09I'm on my way to go and meet Mboro's legal representation...
0:29:11 > 0:29:15..because I have been called in to have a conversation about the filming.
0:29:15 > 0:29:17Mboro doesn't want to speak to me at the moment
0:29:17 > 0:29:21and he's got his legal representation to explain exactly why.
0:29:22 > 0:29:24So I feel kind of in trouble.
0:29:24 > 0:29:27In fact, you know like when you were a kid, and you get in trouble
0:29:27 > 0:29:30for something you haven't done, that's what I feel like right now.
0:29:35 > 0:29:39How's it going? Good to see you. What's going on?
0:29:39 > 0:29:41What is going on? Yes.
0:29:41 > 0:29:45Basically, we've been sent by the prophet Mboro
0:29:45 > 0:29:48to come and speak to you about a number of things
0:29:48 > 0:29:51that he feels very strongly about.
0:29:51 > 0:29:56For an example, he says, if he says to people they must stand up
0:29:56 > 0:29:57and say,
0:29:57 > 0:30:00um, leading them with prayers in church,
0:30:00 > 0:30:03he noted that you were seated
0:30:03 > 0:30:07and your face just said, "OK, this is the part where I don't fit in."
0:30:07 > 0:30:09- Do you know what I mean?- OK.
0:30:09 > 0:30:13Even to him as a leader, it sends negative connotations to say,
0:30:13 > 0:30:16you know, "We respect our Father, we respect our prophet,
0:30:16 > 0:30:19"and here comes of this man who just wants to do as he pleases."
0:30:19 > 0:30:25In terms of me taking part in a prayer, as I'm not religious,
0:30:25 > 0:30:28it would be more of a disrespect on my part for me
0:30:28 > 0:30:31to pretend to pray than for me to not pray at all.
0:30:31 > 0:30:35At some stage, you will have to bend your principles in order to,
0:30:35 > 0:30:38you know, obtain your goal.
0:30:38 > 0:30:41Let him tell you how to do things in his church
0:30:41 > 0:30:44and respect him the way his people respect him.
0:30:44 > 0:30:48Respect him for being the prophet of God that he's anointed to be,
0:30:48 > 0:30:50and that's it, really.
0:30:50 > 0:30:52I will convey the message to him and hope that...
0:30:55 > 0:30:59- ..he at least gives you time. Just some time.- OK.
0:30:59 > 0:31:02We'll stay in touch, I guess. Thank you. Nice to meet you.
0:31:02 > 0:31:04Lovely to meet you.
0:31:05 > 0:31:07It feels as if the real issue is
0:31:07 > 0:31:10that he feels like I'm not respecting him enough
0:31:10 > 0:31:13and that he isn't a priority for me, he is not...
0:31:13 > 0:31:16I am not looking at him through the same eyes as everyone else.
0:31:16 > 0:31:20That is what it really feels like the issue is. You know.
0:31:20 > 0:31:25I can understand a religious leader having a problem with someone
0:31:25 > 0:31:28being in their church and not praying.
0:31:28 > 0:31:31I get that. But the trouble with this conversation is
0:31:31 > 0:31:34that that feeling of disrespect extends to everywhere -
0:31:34 > 0:31:37extends outside, extends to the way I am talking to him,
0:31:37 > 0:31:40the things that I am asking of him and...
0:31:45 > 0:31:49I think I've just...revoked my fan-club membership
0:31:51 > 0:31:54Hang on a second. Is this him? Maybe he's changed his mind.
0:31:54 > 0:31:56Maybe he's decided to come and see me.
0:31:56 > 0:31:59If that is the case, I'd be very surprised. He has his security.
0:32:01 > 0:32:04I have no idea what's going on right now.
0:32:04 > 0:32:07What I do know is that there's a man...
0:32:07 > 0:32:10in one of these cars, part of this fleet of Mercedes,
0:32:10 > 0:32:14currently surrounded by men with machine guns,
0:32:14 > 0:32:16coming to see me...and he's pissed.
0:32:16 > 0:32:18HE LAUGHS
0:32:18 > 0:32:19So...
0:32:21 > 0:32:23Makes me a little uneasy.
0:32:33 > 0:32:35I could be going crazy,
0:32:35 > 0:32:37but he was bloody driving one of those Mercs, wasn't he?
0:32:43 > 0:32:45Just here and then he's gone.
0:32:45 > 0:32:46It's... This is ridiculous.
0:32:50 > 0:32:51Oh, dear.
0:33:10 > 0:33:12I think there's a very good chance
0:33:12 > 0:33:15that Mboro might just say, "Do you know what, I've had enough."
0:33:18 > 0:33:22He is so important to so many people out here
0:33:22 > 0:33:25and from where he stands, I think
0:33:25 > 0:33:28he thinks I don't see that.
0:33:28 > 0:33:30Or, even more importantly,
0:33:30 > 0:33:35I know that he doesn't get the vibe that I'm looking up to him.
0:33:35 > 0:33:38I'm looking at him square in the eye
0:33:38 > 0:33:42and I think that that isn't something that happens a lot to him.
0:33:49 > 0:33:52'The following morning, it's back on.
0:33:52 > 0:33:56'To my surprise, I'm being invited to take a drive into a township
0:33:56 > 0:33:58'with the prophet and his team.
0:33:58 > 0:34:02'But after yesterday, I'm taking a new approach.'
0:34:02 > 0:34:06Hence the shaved face and the pressed white shirt.
0:34:06 > 0:34:09I just hope it's up to scratch and up to his expectations.
0:34:11 > 0:34:13- Hello, guys. Hello, Prophet. - Hi, how are you?- How are you doing?
0:34:13 > 0:34:16Thank you for giving us another day with you. I appreciate it.
0:34:16 > 0:34:18I'm going to jump in my little car.
0:34:18 > 0:34:21It's not as fast as yours, so it might not keep up, so go slowly, please.
0:34:21 > 0:34:24- No, it's cool.- All right.- Ha!
0:34:32 > 0:34:34He seemed happy to see me.
0:34:34 > 0:34:37It was a bit weird, really.
0:34:37 > 0:34:38I'm eating and running right now,
0:34:38 > 0:34:42because I'm officially part of the prophet's convoy.
0:34:42 > 0:34:46He's got three Mercedes and a big, shiny Chrysler,
0:34:46 > 0:34:48all heading to this township,
0:34:48 > 0:34:50and they've all got their hazard lights on.
0:34:50 > 0:34:54It's almost like royalty or an important politician
0:34:54 > 0:34:56is moving from one part of the city to the next.
0:35:00 > 0:35:03'We're off to a township called Barcelona.
0:35:03 > 0:35:08'Here in South Africa, 12 million people still live in shacks.
0:35:08 > 0:35:10'According to Mboro,
0:35:10 > 0:35:13'every year, his church spends over £600,000
0:35:13 > 0:35:16'helping communities like this one.
0:35:18 > 0:35:21'All of a sudden, the convoy pulls over.
0:35:21 > 0:35:23'Even a prophet has to eat.'
0:35:24 > 0:35:27- I want to grab some, er...- Snacks?
0:35:27 > 0:35:29This language is difficult!
0:35:29 > 0:35:30Snacks! I'll get a snack.
0:35:31 > 0:35:35Without warning, we're mobbed by adoring fans.
0:35:37 > 0:35:40We've got people screaming at him from the bus.
0:35:42 > 0:35:43'What amazes me is that
0:35:43 > 0:35:47'despite having the security team of a rock star,
0:35:47 > 0:35:49'Mboro doesn't have the ego of one,
0:35:49 > 0:35:53'embracing each and every person he meets.'
0:35:53 > 0:35:57THEY SPEAK OWN LANGUAGE
0:36:04 > 0:36:05I wish I understood. What did she just say?
0:36:05 > 0:36:07I don't understand what she's saying.
0:36:07 > 0:36:12- She says maybe she will get some blessings.- Ah.- Yes.- From the snacks?
0:36:12 > 0:36:16Yeah. I've already touched him and I can feel that
0:36:16 > 0:36:19he changed my heart for the better.
0:36:19 > 0:36:23You know, I'm not the only one who blesses you.
0:36:23 > 0:36:27You also blessed me with your smile.
0:36:29 > 0:36:31Skin!
0:36:35 > 0:36:37Does that mean we get some free Doritos, then?
0:36:37 > 0:36:40- No!- No?- She's working.
0:36:41 > 0:36:43Exactly.
0:36:43 > 0:36:46'Like many of the people Mboro preaches to,
0:36:46 > 0:36:49'he grew up in poverty, selling fruit on the side of the road,
0:36:49 > 0:36:52'and he knows how to connect with them.'
0:36:52 > 0:36:54Do you know what's really funny, right?
0:36:54 > 0:36:59I tend to do a lot of interviews and following around musicians
0:36:59 > 0:37:02and actors and football stars and celebrities and stuff,
0:37:02 > 0:37:05and that's the only time that I see things like that happen.
0:37:05 > 0:37:07I'm a people's person.
0:37:09 > 0:37:13I believe I'm great, I'm special, but I still believe I'm human.
0:37:14 > 0:37:16I must put somebody down there up.
0:37:19 > 0:37:23I don't believe success is just wearing nice clothes
0:37:23 > 0:37:26and driving cars and looking down at other people.
0:37:26 > 0:37:28I don't like people like that.
0:37:28 > 0:37:32Maybe I suffered too much and I was not treated well.
0:37:32 > 0:37:35When did you suffer? Was it your childhood, or...?
0:37:35 > 0:37:39The way I grew up, even when I was a pastor,
0:37:39 > 0:37:42people honour people because of what they have
0:37:42 > 0:37:44and I didn't have, but I rose with nothing.
0:37:46 > 0:37:50I took the word, I took faith, I took God.
0:37:50 > 0:37:52- Let's hit the road.- OK.
0:37:52 > 0:37:54CAR HORN BEEPS
0:37:54 > 0:37:57Off the back of just chatting to him now,
0:37:57 > 0:38:02it sounds like I'm speaking to a self-made millionaire, you know?
0:38:02 > 0:38:04Which I am. He's quite clearly a celebrity.
0:38:04 > 0:38:09I mean, look at this - this is insane. And he likes it.
0:38:09 > 0:38:10In fact, he loves it,
0:38:10 > 0:38:14which is probably why he's switched from his Mercedes
0:38:14 > 0:38:18to his convertible, so he can be seen driving into the township.
0:38:21 > 0:38:26'Arriving in Barcelona, the struggles people face here
0:38:26 > 0:38:27'are plain to see.
0:38:28 > 0:38:33'Nearly 45% of black South Africans live in poverty.
0:38:33 > 0:38:38'The country boasts one of the highest crime rates in the world,
0:38:38 > 0:38:40'averaging 15 murders a day.
0:38:40 > 0:38:44'It's hardly surprising the hope that came with the fall of apartheid
0:38:44 > 0:38:46'is now in short supply.'
0:38:46 > 0:38:50When you drop someone like Mboro in the middle of all of this,
0:38:50 > 0:38:52you can see why they idolise him.
0:38:52 > 0:38:57You know, he is, at least on the surface level, a man of God.
0:38:57 > 0:39:01He is wealthy, he's successful and he's self-made.
0:39:01 > 0:39:05As soon as we stop, once again, the prophet is in his element.
0:39:05 > 0:39:06Boom!
0:39:08 > 0:39:11It seems like everybody here, whenever he comes round,
0:39:11 > 0:39:14comes out to see him. Why do people love him so much?
0:39:14 > 0:39:17If you are ill and he prays for you, you'll be healed.
0:39:20 > 0:39:23THEY SING IN OWN LANGUAGE
0:39:29 > 0:39:34Regardless of how I feel or what observations I've made,
0:39:34 > 0:39:38it seems as if, to these people,
0:39:38 > 0:39:45he is incredibly important and he is making them better.
0:39:45 > 0:39:47SINGING CONTINUES
0:39:47 > 0:39:50I asked one of the kids stood next to him
0:39:50 > 0:39:52what the song they were singing was about
0:39:52 > 0:39:55and the words translated into English mean,
0:39:55 > 0:40:02"When Mboro is next to you, you feel safe. The devil will not harm you."
0:40:02 > 0:40:06I think my judgments are based entirely in my world.
0:40:06 > 0:40:09But in their world, everything he stands for
0:40:09 > 0:40:13and everything he says is of value.
0:40:13 > 0:40:18Mboro is here to meet surviving members of a family hit by tragedy.
0:40:18 > 0:40:22A 14-year-old boy murdered both his mother and siblings.
0:40:22 > 0:40:24SHE SPEAKS OWN LANGUAGE
0:40:24 > 0:40:26So when she peeped through the window,
0:40:26 > 0:40:28she found a kid with an axe,
0:40:28 > 0:40:31chopping the mum with an axe.
0:40:31 > 0:40:33SHE SPEAKS OWN LANGUAGE
0:40:33 > 0:40:35She says she was afraid to come out
0:40:35 > 0:40:40because she heard the kid is involved in Satanism practice.
0:40:40 > 0:40:45I just wanted to see what we can do in bringing some changes here.
0:40:45 > 0:40:49'Mboro has already helped pay to rebuild the family home,
0:40:49 > 0:40:52'but there's still a lot of fear and desperation here,
0:40:52 > 0:40:54'so he gathers the family
0:40:54 > 0:40:56'and neighbours inside one of the shacks.'
0:40:56 > 0:40:59Prayer changes things.
0:40:59 > 0:41:02It doesn't matter where you come from,
0:41:02 > 0:41:05it's where you are and where you're going.
0:41:05 > 0:41:09I was poor, but today I'm among the millionaires.
0:41:09 > 0:41:15You live in this, you'll come out, as long as a shack is not inside of you.
0:41:15 > 0:41:20You are specially precious. You are black and powerful.
0:41:20 > 0:41:22You are African power.
0:41:22 > 0:41:24Let's pray this prayer. Dear Jesus...
0:41:24 > 0:41:26- ALL:- Dear Jesus...
0:41:26 > 0:41:28- ..I'm a victor... - ..I'm a victor...
0:41:28 > 0:41:30- ..not a victim. - ..not a victim.
0:41:30 > 0:41:32- I can come out. - I can come out.
0:41:32 > 0:41:33- I can succeed... - I can succeed...
0:41:33 > 0:41:35- ..through Jesus Christ. - .through Jesus Christ.
0:41:35 > 0:41:40THEY SPEAK OWN LANGUAGE
0:41:40 > 0:41:42God bless you.
0:41:42 > 0:41:44APPLAUSE Thank you very much.
0:41:46 > 0:41:51I don't agree with the blessing of inanimate objects
0:41:51 > 0:41:53and making people pay for those,
0:41:53 > 0:41:57but I do love the message that he gives when he's stood in a tin shack
0:41:57 > 0:42:00with a group of poor people, filling them with hope and encouragement.
0:42:02 > 0:42:04It's messing with me, because that business,
0:42:04 > 0:42:08and all of the dark connotations that I'm throwing at it,
0:42:08 > 0:42:12is helping so many people to feel better about themselves
0:42:12 > 0:42:13and to feel a level of hope that
0:42:13 > 0:42:16they can beat the situation that they're actually in.
0:42:18 > 0:42:20I don't even know what to think.
0:42:28 > 0:42:29'The following day,
0:42:29 > 0:42:32'I was supposed to join Mboro on another township visit,
0:42:32 > 0:42:34'but what I really want to understand
0:42:34 > 0:42:36'is why it's acceptable here
0:42:36 > 0:42:40'for the prophet to profit from his congregation.
0:42:40 > 0:42:42'So I decided to cancel our meeting.'
0:42:42 > 0:42:43I might as well talk to
0:42:43 > 0:42:46the people that know him best - his congregation.
0:42:46 > 0:42:49I've come to a township called Vosloorus
0:42:49 > 0:42:53to see 18-year-old Senele, who I met during last Sunday's service.
0:42:53 > 0:42:57- Hello. Hey, Senele, hello. - Hi, Reggie.- Hello. How are you?
0:42:57 > 0:42:59- I'm fine, thanks. How are you? - I'm good. Is this Mum?- Yes.
0:42:59 > 0:43:01- Yes, this is my mum. - Hello.- How are you?
0:43:01 > 0:43:03I'm very good, thank you.
0:43:03 > 0:43:05Here is my little paradise.
0:43:05 > 0:43:07I'm a bit disappointed, I've not seen any... Oh, there it is.
0:43:07 > 0:43:10I was going to say, I can't see any petroleum jelly.
0:43:10 > 0:43:13Of course, you have to have it. Have you tried this stuff?
0:43:13 > 0:43:16Have I? I haven't, no. He is smouldering on the front there.
0:43:16 > 0:43:17Look at that for a face!
0:43:17 > 0:43:20Isn't he so hot? I have a hot dad.
0:43:20 > 0:43:23It's quite funny that you refer to him as your dad.
0:43:23 > 0:43:24Is that what everybody at the church does?
0:43:24 > 0:43:26Yes. You refer to him as your dad
0:43:26 > 0:43:28because you take him as your spiritual father.
0:43:28 > 0:43:31- So, how much does this cost you when you buy one of these?- 50 bucks.
0:43:31 > 0:43:3650 rand? So that's, what, £3? Do you put it on every day?
0:43:36 > 0:43:39- Yes, I do, I put it on every day. - Do you know what? I need to do this.
0:43:39 > 0:43:41- I'm going to try some. - Ooh, Reggie is trying this!
0:43:41 > 0:43:44- You should probably pray.- Oh, I don't know if I want to do that.
0:43:44 > 0:43:46OK, let's see. What are you praying for?
0:43:46 > 0:43:49You can probably pray while rubbing it, be like,
0:43:49 > 0:43:52"Oh, God, please de-ash my knees.
0:43:52 > 0:43:57"In the name of Jesus, I pray with the anointing of the prophet."
0:43:57 > 0:44:01- Reggie, you have to say it. - Oh, sorry.
0:44:01 > 0:44:04De-ash my knees. I need it. Prophet, help me out.
0:44:04 > 0:44:07- My knees are looking a little grey. - Oh, my, Reggie, that sounds so fake.
0:44:07 > 0:44:10- Hopefully this will change things in my kneecaps.- Oh, my, Reggie!
0:44:10 > 0:44:14- For ever and ever...- You didn't say "in the name of Jesus".- Amen.
0:44:14 > 0:44:17- I don't know if I should. - No, say it, Reggie.- Why?
0:44:17 > 0:44:18OK, wait - why shouldn't you?
0:44:18 > 0:44:21Because I don't believe in Christianity
0:44:21 > 0:44:24and I think it's wrong for me to say something like that.
0:44:24 > 0:44:28Even if it is just for jokes, I don't think it's fair.
0:44:28 > 0:44:31OK, so you'd rather use the prophet's name for jokes,
0:44:31 > 0:44:34but not Jesus? You see, it shows something, Reggie.
0:44:34 > 0:44:35What does it show?
0:44:35 > 0:44:37It shows that as much as you don't believe,
0:44:37 > 0:44:40you respect the man so much, so why don't you just try him out?
0:44:40 > 0:44:44Do you think that what you just said sounds like you hold the...
0:44:44 > 0:44:49- Oh!- Whoa! What just happened? - I don't know. I don't know!
0:44:49 > 0:44:52- But I do know it's freaking me out. - That was freaky!
0:44:52 > 0:44:54Please tell me that was an accident.
0:44:54 > 0:44:56- Please tell me you did that. Was that you?- Was that you?
0:44:56 > 0:44:59It was your bag. Oh, thank goodness. Thank God!
0:44:59 > 0:45:02THEY LAUGH
0:45:02 > 0:45:05Wow, look at this. This is amazing.
0:45:05 > 0:45:08Wow, look at all this. We have got to go for the boom shakalaka.
0:45:08 > 0:45:11- Of course.- The boom shakalaka it is. - Boom shakalaka.
0:45:11 > 0:45:16- And what's this, beef? - Yeah, this is the chops.- Oh, wow.
0:45:16 > 0:45:18'As the rest of the family join us for a meal,
0:45:18 > 0:45:23'the time seems right to ask Senele and her 23-year-old sister, Tuli,
0:45:23 > 0:45:25'about the thing that bugs me the most.'
0:45:25 > 0:45:27There is something that I've not touched on.
0:45:27 > 0:45:30In the time that I've been around him,
0:45:30 > 0:45:34I've been conflicted, I've understood, I've been charmed.
0:45:34 > 0:45:37He is doing so much good in terms of providing hope,
0:45:37 > 0:45:40but I struggle with the monetary side of things.
0:45:40 > 0:45:44You, as the congregation, give a lot of money to the church.
0:45:44 > 0:45:47Nowhere do I remember him holding a gun to anybody's head
0:45:47 > 0:45:50and saying, "You are forced to give." No.
0:45:50 > 0:45:52It is a personal choice for somebody to give.
0:45:52 > 0:45:53Well, he's a rich man.
0:45:53 > 0:45:56He has a really amazing lifestyle, it would seem.
0:45:56 > 0:45:59He drives a lot of nice cars, he wears expensive suits.
0:45:59 > 0:46:04I personally wouldn't want to be led by a pastor who doesn't seem to be...
0:46:04 > 0:46:06How do I put it?
0:46:06 > 0:46:11..progressing in life, because I'd really have a problem with that.
0:46:11 > 0:46:14I'd want myself to progress, I'd want myself to get somewhere.
0:46:14 > 0:46:17Why would I want to be led by somebody who's never gone anywhere?
0:46:17 > 0:46:19That makes sense. So where does he make his money?
0:46:19 > 0:46:22My understanding of people who work in the ministry,
0:46:22 > 0:46:25they need to be taken care of by the church. And he works hard.
0:46:25 > 0:46:28- His life is dedicated to the church. - Yeah.
0:46:28 > 0:46:31So, if the church didn't take care of him,
0:46:31 > 0:46:33I'd really have a problem with that
0:46:33 > 0:46:35and if his life is a reflection
0:46:35 > 0:46:38of how well his church is taking care of him,
0:46:38 > 0:46:41then clearly our lives should be a reflection of
0:46:41 > 0:46:43how well he's taking care of us. Do you not agree?
0:46:43 > 0:46:45- That makes sense. - That makes sense, right.
0:46:45 > 0:46:47- I don't know if I agree, but it makes sense.- OK.
0:46:47 > 0:46:48It makes total sense.
0:46:48 > 0:46:51See you later, guys. Bye-bye.
0:46:51 > 0:46:54'Speaking to the girls, I realised that Mboro's followers are happy
0:46:54 > 0:46:57'to pay him generously for his services.
0:46:57 > 0:47:01'They don't feel the prophet is exploiting them at all.
0:47:01 > 0:47:05'So I wonder if I've misjudged him.'
0:47:05 > 0:47:12# You gotta hold on... #
0:47:12 > 0:47:18'Unfortunately, I may not even get the chance to tell him face-to-face.
0:47:18 > 0:47:20'Cancelling our meeting yesterday
0:47:20 > 0:47:23'hasn't gone down too well with the prophet.'
0:47:23 > 0:47:25I've just had a text from Mboro.
0:47:25 > 0:47:29"Made time, you not avail. You make time, am not avail."
0:47:30 > 0:47:33I kind of get from that he's a little bit annoyed
0:47:33 > 0:47:38and that he isn't going to make time for me to see him today,
0:47:38 > 0:47:40so I'm just going to call him
0:47:40 > 0:47:45and see if he's going to let me come round.
0:47:45 > 0:47:47Yeah, he so knows they aren't.
0:47:47 > 0:47:51ANSWERING MACHINE: 'The fire of God is burning every Satanic object
0:47:51 > 0:47:55'and every Satanic spirit in the name of Jesus,
0:47:55 > 0:47:59'all the powers of witches and wizards, Satan worshippers.'
0:48:02 > 0:48:05Well, I think he saved my number to "don't answer".
0:48:06 > 0:48:09- HE GROANS - Well, that, I guess, is that.
0:48:19 > 0:48:21'And as if on cue, the heavens open.
0:48:22 > 0:48:24'I'm not sure if it's a sign,
0:48:24 > 0:48:27'but I've decided to take my chances with the prophetic rains
0:48:27 > 0:48:30'and the prophet's fury, and attend early
0:48:30 > 0:48:33'to catch Mboro before Sunday's service.'
0:48:35 > 0:48:39I don't know how this is going to work. I just hope they let me in. Here we go...
0:48:39 > 0:48:40Hello, mate.
0:48:41 > 0:48:42Oh...
0:48:42 > 0:48:46That was a funny look.
0:48:46 > 0:48:49I gave him a wave and he just gave me a big old stare.
0:48:53 > 0:48:55I have no idea if the prophet will give me
0:48:55 > 0:48:59the time of day to explain myself, but I'm going to try anyway.
0:48:59 > 0:49:01Hey, man, you all right? Hey, how's it going?
0:49:01 > 0:49:04It would be really great to come in and join the congregation today.
0:49:04 > 0:49:06- Is it possible to do that? - No, Reggie.
0:49:06 > 0:49:09The problem is, here in South Africa,
0:49:09 > 0:49:13in my space, I've got the way I do things.
0:49:13 > 0:49:17- If people don't honour their ways, I don't take it.- Is that a problem?
0:49:17 > 0:49:20- Do you think that I've acted bigger than the church?- Yes, yes.
0:49:20 > 0:49:24That's not the case at all. I think it's just a miscommunication, that's the problem.
0:49:24 > 0:49:28The way you talk, we don't speak like that in South Africa.
0:49:28 > 0:49:32- There is a level of respect, Reggie. You don't have it.- OK.
0:49:32 > 0:49:34Understand here, when you talk to anybody...
0:49:34 > 0:49:38We have white people here, but you're whiter than white people.
0:49:38 > 0:49:41I don't like arrogance, I don't like pride. Humble yourself.
0:49:43 > 0:49:47You are big in your world, you are big in somebody's world.
0:49:47 > 0:49:52Humble yourself, go down, understand what is happening in other people.
0:50:00 > 0:50:03'I've never had my blackness questioned before.
0:50:05 > 0:50:10'As much as that offends me, I kind of understand why Mboro is so upset.
0:50:12 > 0:50:13'Up until a couple of days ago,
0:50:13 > 0:50:17'I was very cynical about the prophet and his church.'
0:50:17 > 0:50:22Yeah, in all honesty, I'm not mad at the man, I'm not angry at the man.
0:50:22 > 0:50:23I get it.
0:50:23 > 0:50:26I want to see the service with open eyes and, luckily,
0:50:26 > 0:50:28the prophet has agreed to let me in.
0:50:28 > 0:50:30- 'Hallelujah.' CONGREGATION:- Amen.
0:50:32 > 0:50:36HE RAPS
0:50:47 > 0:50:50Beautiful people.
0:50:50 > 0:50:53I'm so blessed to talk to people like you.
0:50:55 > 0:50:58You are the best thing that ever happened to me.
0:50:59 > 0:51:02A few minutes into the service,
0:51:02 > 0:51:05and it seems Mboro has chosen me as this week's sermon.
0:51:05 > 0:51:08Why are you holding your underwear?
0:51:08 > 0:51:13- It's because I deal with things that can only be understood by you.- Amen.
0:51:15 > 0:51:19Somebody else will not have to understand it.
0:51:19 > 0:51:22Wow.
0:51:22 > 0:51:24But you, if you understand it,
0:51:24 > 0:51:29they may write whatever they want to write, I'm OK with that.
0:51:29 > 0:51:33- It feels like the prophet is preaching at me today a lot.- Mm!
0:51:33 > 0:51:39Reggie, in your own world, do you have fishes in people's stomachs?
0:51:39 > 0:51:42- Is it possible, such a thing? - Not where I come from, no.
0:51:42 > 0:51:45- Do you believe that anything like that can happen?- Well...
0:51:45 > 0:51:50From where you come from, from the original Reggie?
0:51:50 > 0:51:52- Based on my experience, no.- No.
0:51:52 > 0:51:54He understands.
0:51:54 > 0:51:57But a mature person will say, "No, I don't know that,
0:51:57 > 0:51:59"but I want to see it,"
0:51:59 > 0:52:02and meet the people who are going through it
0:52:02 > 0:52:05and try and get into it and understand.
0:52:05 > 0:52:10The prophet is clearly enjoying making me squirm.
0:52:10 > 0:52:13Sadly, he's not finished making an example of me.
0:52:13 > 0:52:19Reggie Yates, give it up for Reggie Yates who will come on the stage.
0:52:20 > 0:52:23CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
0:52:23 > 0:52:25- Welcome.- Thank you.
0:52:25 > 0:52:27You mentioned, literally outside,
0:52:27 > 0:52:30when we were talking, the idea of different worlds.
0:52:30 > 0:52:32I am from a completely different world to you
0:52:32 > 0:52:35and culturally, I'm from a very different world as well,
0:52:35 > 0:52:38and I understand that the way you worship is eternally different
0:52:38 > 0:52:41to the way that my family or I might have experienced.
0:52:41 > 0:52:43Does that make sense?
0:52:43 > 0:52:47You will never be wishing in your life.
0:52:47 > 0:52:52You never woke up one day, you found yourself with a rotten leg,
0:52:52 > 0:52:56and the doctor's telling you it has to be amputated
0:52:56 > 0:52:57and then for you to be OK.
0:52:57 > 0:52:59Why do people come here?
0:52:59 > 0:53:03Those are the people who chose, "I will not give up,
0:53:03 > 0:53:07"I will not give in to my problems, my situation, I'm going to find
0:53:07 > 0:53:11"something beyond science, beyond human understanding,
0:53:11 > 0:53:13"to come out of my cold bed."
0:53:13 > 0:53:17APPLAUSE
0:53:17 > 0:53:20I don't necessarily understand it
0:53:20 > 0:53:22and a lot of the things that you preach,
0:53:22 > 0:53:25a lot of the things that happen here in South Africa,
0:53:25 > 0:53:27I don't agree with all of them,
0:53:27 > 0:53:30but what I do think that I'm going to take away from this trip
0:53:30 > 0:53:32is what you give these people.
0:53:32 > 0:53:35I can see that you give everybody in here help, so, respect.
0:53:36 > 0:53:39APPLAUSE
0:53:41 > 0:53:43You know, a lot of people watch you
0:53:43 > 0:53:47and watch what you do and are fans of you, and I was blown away
0:53:47 > 0:53:50when I went to the shop and I saw that you had these T-shirts.
0:53:51 > 0:53:54APPLAUSE
0:53:55 > 0:54:00- It looks good on me, right? Yeah? - Well, that's me. That's me.
0:54:00 > 0:54:06"Power!" It's you, isn't it? See? I'm learning, I'm learning.
0:54:06 > 0:54:08It's good to have you. God bless you.
0:54:11 > 0:54:15We've made our peace. Now the show must go on.
0:54:15 > 0:54:19MBORO SINGS IN OWN LANGUAGE
0:54:19 > 0:54:24It's time to bless what we brought. Mboro's just seen mine.
0:54:24 > 0:54:26HE LAUGHS Yo!
0:54:26 > 0:54:29CHEERING
0:54:29 > 0:54:31What is this?
0:54:33 > 0:54:34Underwear!
0:54:36 > 0:54:39- You like what I'm doing, or not? - We do.
0:54:39 > 0:54:42- Must we stop? ALL:- No.
0:54:42 > 0:54:46- Because somebody doesn't like it? ALL:- No.
0:54:46 > 0:54:49Just touch it. Let me pray.
0:54:49 > 0:54:53The fire of the Holy Spirit,
0:54:53 > 0:54:57TOUCH! In the name of Jesus.
0:54:57 > 0:55:00I come against you beasts, you animals...
0:55:00 > 0:55:03HE SPEAKS IN OWN LANGUAGE
0:55:08 > 0:55:11'Faith is a crazy, powerful thing.'
0:55:11 > 0:55:16All invisible demons, I flush them out.
0:55:16 > 0:55:20'As a nonbeliever, I'm not sure if I will ever fully understand people
0:55:20 > 0:55:24'waving their underwear or holding their private parts in church.'
0:55:24 > 0:55:27Hallelujah. Give God his love.
0:55:27 > 0:55:30'But like Mboro would say, we are from different worlds.'
0:55:30 > 0:55:32# It's incredible
0:55:32 > 0:55:33# It's happening all the time... #
0:55:33 > 0:55:35- All right. - Thank you so much for coming.
0:55:35 > 0:55:38I've stolen his catch phrase. Nice to meet you both. Take care.
0:55:38 > 0:55:41- Lovely to meet you both.- We hope to see you soon.- Yes, take care.
0:55:41 > 0:55:42- Bye.- Bye.- Bye-bye.
0:55:42 > 0:55:47'Just a few days ago, I made Mboro out to be a charlatan.
0:55:47 > 0:55:51'I can see now that says as much about me as him.'
0:55:51 > 0:55:54I didn't expect that at all.
0:55:57 > 0:56:01I didn't understand the importance of faith, coming out here, you know.
0:56:01 > 0:56:03I now know what faith can do.
0:56:10 > 0:56:13I don't know if it's what I want, but I get it.
0:56:16 > 0:56:19And more importantly, I think I respect it.
0:56:19 > 0:56:21And I didn't a week ago.
0:56:22 > 0:56:30# Well, I know I've been converted to you
0:56:30 > 0:56:32# To you
0:56:32 > 0:56:40# Well, I know I've been converted to you
0:56:40 > 0:56:42# To you
0:56:42 > 0:56:47# Well, I know I made a change
0:56:47 > 0:56:52# I know I've been converted
0:56:52 > 0:56:56# To you. #