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0:00:43 > 0:00:47# Metal on metal Feeling the grind
0:00:47 > 0:00:51# Up go the hammers A victim to find
0:00:51 > 0:00:56# Metal on metal Heads start to bang
0:00:56 > 0:01:00# Denim and leathers Chains that clang
0:01:00 > 0:01:04# Keep on rockin' Keep on rockin'
0:01:04 > 0:01:07# To this metal tonight
0:01:08 > 0:01:11# Keep on pounding Keep on pounding
0:01:12 > 0:01:15# Join the heavy metal fight... #
0:01:15 > 0:01:17I remember the first time I heard Metal On Metal.
0:01:17 > 0:01:18You've got to hear it.
0:01:18 > 0:01:20It's heavier than anything you've ever heard.
0:01:20 > 0:01:23When Anvil first showed up on the scene, it was like, "Fuck,
0:01:23 > 0:01:25"this is cool, this is a statement",
0:01:25 > 0:01:29like literally these guys were going to turn the music world upside down.
0:01:29 > 0:01:31Seeing them was like a challenge to us, to say,
0:01:31 > 0:01:34"Well, if we can't be better than that, then we should just go home."
0:01:37 > 0:01:40# Metal on metal... # All the people up in the stand...
0:01:42 > 0:01:44They were a great band, yeah.
0:01:44 > 0:01:46I always liked Anvil. They got my vote.
0:01:46 > 0:01:49If you actually had to choose one band and one album
0:01:49 > 0:01:53that really started the whole ball rolling, it would be Metal On Metal, and it would be Anvil.
0:01:55 > 0:01:59The minute you heard Anvil, the minute you heard the music, the minute you saw the pictures,
0:01:59 > 0:02:03the minute you heard the story, you could tell that this was the real deal.
0:02:11 > 0:02:17Anvil was one of those bands that just put on this really amazing live performance.
0:02:17 > 0:02:19Lips, the singer, used to come out with this
0:02:19 > 0:02:22bondage harness on, and he used to come out with this dildo
0:02:22 > 0:02:24and play his Flying V, and he was just in complete
0:02:24 > 0:02:28insanity, and that's why it was such a huge turn-on for us kids.
0:02:28 > 0:02:30It was like something we'd never seen before.
0:02:36 > 0:02:40They were thrash, man. They were a fast band.
0:02:40 > 0:02:46You're talking about a year before the big four, Slayer, Metallica, Anthrax and Megadeth.
0:02:46 > 0:02:49There's a certain sound that comes from that album that has become
0:02:49 > 0:02:53one of the basic formulas for any heavy metal record made today.
0:02:55 > 0:02:57We were talking about Robb Reiner like he was
0:02:57 > 0:03:02by far the best metal drummer out there in terms of his ability.
0:03:02 > 0:03:07- He was the guy that was, like, "Holy shit!"- They were all good. There wasn't a bad guy in the band.
0:03:07 > 0:03:09I mean, they were all great at what they did.
0:03:09 > 0:03:12They should have made it a lot bigger, and I don't really understand the reason why.
0:03:12 > 0:03:15Sometimes life deals you a tough deck.
0:03:15 > 0:03:16I don't know what happened.
0:03:16 > 0:03:19Why did they just fall off the radar?
0:03:19 > 0:03:20I really have no idea.
0:03:20 > 0:03:22You have to be in the right place at the right time.
0:03:22 > 0:03:27That's the whole thing. If you're not at the right place at the right time, you will never do it.
0:03:27 > 0:03:32I don't know if there was an isolation thing because of the Canadian element or whatever,
0:03:32 > 0:03:37but something didn't translate all the way up to the next level.
0:03:41 > 0:03:47They never really got the respect that they deserved after a while, because as big as an influence as
0:03:47 > 0:03:52they had on everybody, everybody just sort of ripped them off and then sort of just left them for dead.
0:04:11 > 0:04:13This is where it begins, basically.
0:04:13 > 0:04:15It's seven o'clock.
0:04:15 > 0:04:18I'm not sure what they're serving up today. It's probably...
0:04:18 > 0:04:20I don't know what...
0:04:21 > 0:04:25From week to week, it slightly changes.
0:04:25 > 0:04:27Every day it's a different menu but in different orders.
0:04:27 > 0:04:29Let's say one week they have pizza,
0:04:31 > 0:04:32shepherd's pie,
0:04:34 > 0:04:39and then the next week, they'll have shepherd's pie THEN pizza,
0:04:39 > 0:04:42put it out of the order from the week before.
0:04:42 > 0:04:44If they happen to make
0:04:44 > 0:04:48shepherd's pie or something like that this week, they'll make meat loaf
0:04:48 > 0:04:53next week on that day, and they'll rally between meat loaf
0:04:53 > 0:04:56and shepherd's pie or...
0:04:56 > 0:05:00meatballs with mashed potatoes. You know, it depends.
0:05:15 > 0:05:18Where's the twenty bucks?
0:05:18 > 0:05:24Today is a Monday schedule, which is they have to put bananas in all the deliveries.
0:05:24 > 0:05:29There's ten racks, ten routes, ten vans, ten drivers, and I'm one of those ten drivers.
0:05:30 > 0:05:36For all this horrible shit that I got to go through, I've got Anvil that gives me my happiness.
0:05:36 > 0:05:40And it works out really good, because even though Anvil doesn't give me pay, it gives me
0:05:40 > 0:05:46the joy and the pleasure that you need to get through life.
0:05:46 > 0:05:51The way I look at it, really, is that it could never be worse than what it already is.
0:05:51 > 0:05:54If it never got better, that's the way it is. You see what I'm saying?
0:05:54 > 0:05:57So the only way that it could really...
0:05:57 > 0:06:01It can only get better. It can't get worse from whatever's going to happen.
0:06:01 > 0:06:03There's no way.
0:06:03 > 0:06:09But on the other hand, if it did get worse, at least this time,
0:06:09 > 0:06:13after all's said and done, I can say that all has been said and done,
0:06:13 > 0:06:15instead of "I've left a whole bunch of things undone,"
0:06:15 > 0:06:18and "I wasn't able to do that" and "I couldn't do this"
0:06:18 > 0:06:21and "I didn't do that" and "I should have been this way"
0:06:21 > 0:06:24and "I could have been that way," and... At least
0:06:24 > 0:06:29this time I'll do everything that it possibly takes to get there,
0:06:29 > 0:06:34to make the success happen and feel it from internally this time.
0:06:39 > 0:06:41LOUD DRILLING
0:06:45 > 0:06:48- So, how's it going with the band, man?- Great, man.
0:06:48 > 0:06:50We're writing our new album.
0:06:51 > 0:06:56Fuck, I'd rather be on a stage than doing this, you know? At the moment, it gives me purpose.
0:06:56 > 0:07:00It's part of my psychoactive therapy sessions.
0:07:01 > 0:07:04And my doctor says I'm doing well.
0:07:04 > 0:07:07Y'know? So, uh, that's it.
0:07:07 > 0:07:11But give me another stage and another party
0:07:11 > 0:07:13and I'm really happy.
0:07:23 > 0:07:25I love to entertain.
0:07:25 > 0:07:28It's in my soul.
0:07:28 > 0:07:33Nothing is like being in the face of your fans.
0:07:33 > 0:07:35There's a moment - and they're actual,
0:07:35 > 0:07:44beautiful moments, human moments - where you're actually in the same room as the people that love you.
0:07:44 > 0:07:46Hello there, Toronto!
0:07:46 > 0:07:48# ..keep on rockin'
0:07:48 > 0:07:51# To this metal tonight!
0:07:52 > 0:07:54# Keep on rockin'
0:07:54 > 0:07:56# Keep on rockin'... #
0:07:56 > 0:08:01Robb used to come over to my place so many times delivering CDs, T-shirts.
0:08:01 > 0:08:03Yeah, Robb's been amazing, for sure.
0:08:03 > 0:08:07They wrote a tune after him and me, Cut Loose and Mad Dog.
0:08:07 > 0:08:13# I get the mad, mad dog! #
0:08:18 > 0:08:21I've done probably two or three hundred shows of Anvil.
0:08:21 > 0:08:23We've been to Oshawa, Sudbury...
0:08:23 > 0:08:26- We used to travel with them. - Y'know, it's an outlet. Why not?
0:08:26 > 0:08:28People do other, bad things in life.
0:08:28 > 0:08:29It's a good outlet, metal.
0:08:32 > 0:08:36Yeah, to my dying day, the metal, for sure.
0:08:36 > 0:08:39I'd rather be a king below than a servant above,
0:08:39 > 0:08:44I'd rather be free and hate than a prisoner of love.
0:08:44 > 0:08:48Six, six, oh, six!
0:08:48 > 0:08:50Six!
0:08:50 > 0:08:51Yeah!
0:08:56 > 0:08:58This has got to be the best birthday I've ever had!
0:09:10 > 0:09:13The tunes that we have for the upcoming album are fucking,
0:09:13 > 0:09:17like, unbelievable - the feels, the riffs, the grooves, the lyrics.
0:09:17 > 0:09:19Pure fucking magic.
0:09:23 > 0:09:27Most people only know us for our first three albums - Hard 'N' Heavy, Metal On Metal and Forged In Fire,
0:09:27 > 0:09:31but there's a lot of other stuff, like Backwaxed, Strength Of Steel,
0:09:31 > 0:09:35Pound For Pound, Live Past And Present, Worth The Weight, Plugged In Permanent,
0:09:35 > 0:09:37Absolutely No Alternative, Speed Of Sound,
0:09:37 > 0:09:40Plenty of Power, Still Going Strong and Back To Basics.
0:09:40 > 0:09:46Uh, me, Lips, we put this band together about five years ago,
0:09:46 > 0:09:49but we've been playing together in bands since we were 15, 16 years old.
0:09:49 > 0:09:51This is where we learned how to play.
0:09:51 > 0:09:55Yeah, this is a lot of the beginnings of our whole friendship,
0:09:55 > 0:09:58our relationship, the band, life. It all happened here.
0:09:58 > 0:10:05Every day on the way home from school, I'd hear this blasting music coming from that window right there.
0:10:05 > 0:10:08Whoever's playing to this music is playing tight. It's a drummer.
0:10:08 > 0:10:11It's fucking like six shits coming out of there, right?
0:10:11 > 0:10:14Anyway, I meet this guy in my biology class, and he goes, "Hey, man,
0:10:14 > 0:10:16"I'm going to get this guy, Robb Reiner.
0:10:16 > 0:10:19"He lives over at the corner of Yeomans."
0:10:19 > 0:10:23And all I could see was this speaker that was sitting in the window,
0:10:23 > 0:10:30and the heavy music, like, either Sabbath or Grand Funk or Cactus.
0:10:30 > 0:10:32A lot of Cactus. The guy really liked Cactus.
0:10:32 > 0:10:34- And I'd go... - CAR HORN HOOTS
0:10:36 > 0:10:38.."Who could possibly like Cactus?"
0:10:38 > 0:10:43We had one that we wrote called The Lola Song, and it had nothing to do with the song by the Kinks.
0:10:43 > 0:10:46The Lolas were a little frozen kind of treat, and it
0:10:46 > 0:10:49was called a Lola, and we liked them so much we wrote a song about them.
0:10:49 > 0:10:52We were just innocent kids. We didn't really know what we were doing.
0:10:52 > 0:10:55We just started rocking out and making this music.
0:11:08 > 0:11:12Today on Shirley: sex, drug and rock'n'roll - what's it
0:11:12 > 0:11:14doing to our kids?
0:11:14 > 0:11:19Now, let me read some lyrics from a song called
0:11:19 > 0:11:21Toe Jam by the group Anvil.
0:11:21 > 0:11:28"Dig a little deeper, hip your partner, make her shout, back to front, side to side, tip your cap
0:11:28 > 0:11:33"and come inside, down with her fishnets, up with her skirt,
0:11:33 > 0:11:35"dig a little deeper, till you hit pay dirt."
0:11:35 > 0:11:38APPLAUSE
0:11:39 > 0:11:43As soon as he met Robb - Robb is the drummer -
0:11:43 > 0:11:53and Stephen wouldn't continue school, and he was... he gave up school.
0:11:53 > 0:11:58Oh, Pancer's! Home of our corned beef sandwich!
0:11:58 > 0:12:00I think the first song we ever wrote was called Thumb Hang.
0:12:00 > 0:12:06Yeah. We were trying to write a song about the Spanish Inquisition.
0:12:06 > 0:12:07We learned about it in history class.
0:12:07 > 0:12:13They would hang people up by their thumbs if they didn't take on Catholicism!
0:12:13 > 0:12:20So, y'know, I figured, "Hey, there's a cool subject - Thumb Hang".
0:12:20 > 0:12:23HUMS THE MELODY
0:12:25 > 0:12:28# Thumbs will twist
0:12:28 > 0:12:31# Can you resist?
0:12:34 > 0:12:36# Thumb hang! #
0:12:37 > 0:12:39Fuck, we should be doing that again.
0:12:39 > 0:12:42They're like brothers. I mean,
0:12:42 > 0:12:46I think it would be like splitting Siamese twins, really.
0:12:46 > 0:12:48They've just always been very tight.
0:12:48 > 0:12:51What, have they been around for almost thirty years. Y'know?
0:12:51 > 0:12:57And it's just amazing how they're going to keep on going and going and going. They're never going to stop.
0:12:57 > 0:13:02You have to structure your life around it, I guess. You know, we changed our wedding date for it.
0:13:02 > 0:13:08Avery was born the Friday before he went away on the tour and we kind of
0:13:08 > 0:13:13got him started, y'know, "Got to have this baby now, he's leaving!"
0:13:14 > 0:13:18So, what does your dad do for a living?
0:13:18 > 0:13:19Uh, he's in a band.
0:13:19 > 0:13:21- What's the name of the band?- Anvil.
0:13:21 > 0:13:25- What do you think of them? - Ah, pretty good.
0:13:27 > 0:13:31The band has been around so long, it's not like a band that just got reunited.
0:13:31 > 0:13:35We're in shape, we're in playing shape, we're in writing shape.
0:13:35 > 0:13:39It's not like we let it fall apart and now we're trying to rebuild it.
0:13:39 > 0:13:43We've been building it all along and working at it.
0:13:43 > 0:13:46I think it's probably got more potential now than it ever has.
0:13:46 > 0:13:50It's been an honour and a thrill to be in this band for ten years.
0:13:50 > 0:13:55And there was moments when I wondered, "Is this the right place for me?
0:13:55 > 0:13:59"Are there other opportunities for me out there?"
0:13:59 > 0:14:05But those thoughts don't last long when I start thinking, "Yeah, I mean, Anvil!"
0:14:05 > 0:14:10I was a big Anvil fan for many years, growing up, as a teenager, so
0:14:10 > 0:14:15sometimes I still can't believe. It's, like, "Wow, I'm in Anvil, I can't believe it." You know?
0:14:16 > 0:14:20Ivan met this girl over in Europe by the name of Tiziana.
0:14:20 > 0:14:23She's actually an agent, and she's been e-mailing me.
0:14:23 > 0:14:28It looks like she's been a big fan of the band, and she's basically telling me that she has a passion
0:14:28 > 0:14:32and love for metal music, and I guess we're part of that.
0:14:32 > 0:14:34It looks like she's booked us a tour!
0:14:34 > 0:14:35Wow, look at this.
0:14:35 > 0:14:41Italy, Switzerland, Austria, France, England, Belgium, Germany.
0:14:41 > 0:14:431,500 euro a fucking show, man!
0:14:43 > 0:14:47Holy shit, this is going to be the biggest tour I've done in 20 years!
0:14:47 > 0:14:53When I sit at home or work at Choice Children's Catering, they don't know that my band even exists.
0:14:53 > 0:15:00But if I happen to play a show someplace in Europe and one of the labels goes, "Hey, man, that band
0:15:00 > 0:15:06"Anvil that we heard about 20 years ago, they're playing - let's go see them," that's all I need!
0:15:26 > 0:15:30Heavy metal is a really serious culture in Europe.
0:15:30 > 0:15:33This is the stronghold. That's why it will never, ever go away.
0:15:35 > 0:15:37Sweden Rock festival.
0:15:37 > 0:15:40Here we are.
0:15:41 > 0:15:44Ready to rock, man. Rock'n'roll!
0:15:44 > 0:15:51- Anvil! Anvil! - Sweden Rock festival presentera ANVIL!
0:15:57 > 0:16:03The foundation of the business comes down to the fans and the people that
0:16:03 > 0:16:08love your band, and without those people, you really are nowhere.
0:16:08 > 0:16:12- # 666! 666!- Yeaaaaahhhhh!
0:16:16 > 0:16:20# 666! 666! #
0:16:29 > 0:16:33We're the matinee act, and we kicked fuckin' ass.
0:16:33 > 0:16:36Hello, this is Lips from the band Anvil,
0:16:36 > 0:16:41and you're listening to Rock Station Kiel. You know it!
0:16:41 > 0:16:42OK.
0:16:44 > 0:16:46And once again, please.
0:16:46 > 0:16:49I turn it off!
0:16:49 > 0:16:51- I'm so sorry.- Practice.
0:16:51 > 0:16:53Yeah, OK. Sorry. Again.
0:16:53 > 0:16:54Hello, everybody...
0:16:54 > 0:16:56Oh, you've got the same trousers on as...
0:16:56 > 0:17:01No, actually, I've got the same trousers, like. They look similar.
0:17:01 > 0:17:04Michael is like the Beethoven of lead guitar players, man.
0:17:04 > 0:17:06This is really where it originates from.
0:17:06 > 0:17:10This is where half my style comes from.
0:17:10 > 0:17:11Do you remember that?
0:17:11 > 0:17:13I played with the woman's vibrator.
0:17:15 > 0:17:18Anvil, Anvil. I love this guy, man.
0:17:18 > 0:17:20You're a good man. You're a good man.
0:17:20 > 0:17:25The first time I seen you was across the street from where I lived, when you played in Toronto.
0:17:25 > 0:17:32- You went to a video game place, and it was right across the street from where I lived.- OK.
0:17:32 > 0:17:35And that's the first place I saw you, and you were coming on to this
0:17:35 > 0:17:40girl by the name of Jan Wolfman, and we'd written a song called Tall and Teasing.
0:17:40 > 0:17:43She was a really, really tall chick with long, black hair.
0:17:43 > 0:17:45- I'm...- You don't remember.
0:17:46 > 0:17:48- I'll see you later.- OK.
0:17:48 > 0:17:51Can you fucking believe the people we're meeting?
0:17:51 > 0:17:55- Mr Lips, nice to see you. - How are you, man?- I'm fine.
0:17:55 > 0:17:57So you came to see us at Super Rock?
0:17:57 > 0:18:01- Yeah. Absolutely.- Really? - I was a high-school student here.
0:18:01 > 0:18:05- Oh, really?- Yeah. You have got many fans in Japan, yeah.
0:18:05 > 0:18:10But if you have a chance to go to Japan, maybe, next time, then you should do it.
0:18:10 > 0:18:12- What, to do it in Japan?- Yeah.
0:18:12 > 0:18:14Of course.
0:18:33 > 0:18:35It's great to see you, man. It's really great to see you.
0:18:35 > 0:18:38I'm looking forward to the show.
0:18:38 > 0:18:42Well, here we are, backstage, trying to talk to Ted Nugent,
0:18:42 > 0:18:45and, uh,
0:18:45 > 0:18:48pretty interestingly... Actually, I think
0:18:48 > 0:18:50that's Tommy Aldridge right there.
0:18:50 > 0:18:52Tommy! Tommy!
0:19:21 > 0:19:24Yeah, well, that's what it is, a problem. I can see it already.
0:19:49 > 0:19:50Porco dio!
0:20:03 > 0:20:06Until we become a real commodity,
0:20:06 > 0:20:08this is what you deal with.
0:20:55 > 0:21:01# Oi, oi, oi, Moishe laid a goy! What's ever happened to my little Jewish boy?
0:21:01 > 0:21:04# I sent him to school to learn and read and write
0:21:04 > 0:21:08# Now he comes back shtoopin' shiksas every night. #
0:21:12 > 0:21:17Would you please ask somebody who is just walking around for the way?
0:21:17 > 0:21:20Because you need to reach Smichov.
0:21:21 > 0:21:24- Look, fine...- Smichov, Prague 5.
0:21:24 > 0:21:26I'll wait on the phone, and please ask them
0:21:26 > 0:21:31so I can talk to him in Czech and try to help you to find the way.
0:21:38 > 0:21:42- It had to be. - Halle-fuckin'-lujah, man!
0:21:42 > 0:21:45This is what it fuckin' takes to get to fuckin' Prague?
0:21:45 > 0:21:48We've been circling the fuckin' streets for two hours.
0:21:48 > 0:21:50Fuck!
0:21:50 > 0:21:54The worst thing about it is I had to throw all my fucking drugs away. For nothing!
0:21:54 > 0:21:56Y'know, all the dogs.
0:21:56 > 0:22:00What fucking dogs? There was never going to be any fucking dogs, man.
0:22:04 > 0:22:09Sorry for being late, but you got a really complicated city that we can't read the signs.
0:22:27 > 0:22:29Anvil! Anvil! Very good! Anvil! Anvil!
0:22:29 > 0:22:34Very good! Very good! Anvil! Anvil!
0:22:39 > 0:22:41Very good. Very good! Anvil! Anvil!
0:22:44 > 0:22:48See, I'm my own roadie. I ain't a rock star yet.
0:23:02 > 0:23:04What's going on here?
0:23:10 > 0:23:15That's nice(!) I guess he figures if he gives me a bit of goulash I'll forget about it.
0:23:16 > 0:23:18No, we're not getting fucking paid!
0:23:18 > 0:23:19Where's the fucking club owner?
0:23:19 > 0:23:21You are too late.
0:23:21 > 0:23:24If I was too late, I wouldn't have fucking played, pal.
0:23:24 > 0:23:26You're going to fucking pay me.
0:23:26 > 0:23:29Most people goes away.
0:23:29 > 0:23:31Most people goes away.
0:23:31 > 0:23:35No, I did my full set. I did my work. I want to get paid.
0:23:37 > 0:23:40You should have told us you weren't paying us before we fucking played.
0:23:40 > 0:23:42You fucking piece of shit.
0:23:42 > 0:23:46You fucking pay me! I'm going to fucking kick your fucking teeth in.
0:23:46 > 0:23:48- Crazy man.- Yeah, I am fucking crazy.
0:23:48 > 0:23:52I just worked my ass off, and you won't fucking pay me. You're a motherfucker.
0:23:52 > 0:23:56- I'll just give you my business card. - OK.- I'm a lawyer.- You're a lawyer.
0:23:56 > 0:23:59You played in front of fuck-all people here tonight.
0:23:59 > 0:24:03You were screwed. You had a shit manager.
0:24:03 > 0:24:06- Listen, let's be honest about this. - Right...
0:24:06 > 0:24:12Anvil should be playing in front of, I don't know, a thousand, minimum, people every night in Europe.
0:24:12 > 0:24:14- That's my opinion. - Yeah, you're probably right.
0:24:14 > 0:24:21Given your reputation, you should be playing in front of a thousand people every night, and you are not.
0:24:21 > 0:24:24Now, you've got to ask yourself why you're not doing that.
0:24:24 > 0:24:27Well, I've been asking myself that for 20 years.
0:24:27 > 0:24:30- Because you've got a shit manager. - I could answer that in...
0:24:30 > 0:24:34one word. Two words. Three words. We haven't got the management.
0:24:41 > 0:24:42Bye!
0:24:49 > 0:24:54We are here in perfect time, in perfect time.
0:24:54 > 0:24:59If you miss the train, I have to pay double. O porco dio!
0:24:59 > 0:25:01I was so, so, so, so angry.
0:25:01 > 0:25:06OK, listen, you call MasterCard, cancel your payment.
0:25:06 > 0:25:08Listen, they do that.
0:25:08 > 0:25:11MasterCard pay for to
0:25:11 > 0:25:13go for to back.
0:25:13 > 0:25:15For to back, is again valid.
0:25:15 > 0:25:17For to go now, change it.
0:25:27 > 0:25:30The one thing that's a really good thing, man, is that we found those sleeping bags.
0:25:53 > 0:25:58Is not you! You understand me?
0:26:00 > 0:26:02Because the promoter ask you if you will play!
0:26:02 > 0:26:06And you should ask them no!
0:26:06 > 0:26:07Stop.
0:26:07 > 0:26:09Please, today is very shit day!
0:26:11 > 0:26:12We're not playing tonight?
0:26:14 > 0:26:17What happened?
0:26:17 > 0:26:19Whatever.
0:26:19 > 0:26:21I know nothing. I don't know anything.
0:26:21 > 0:26:24I'm not getting in a pissing contest over this, OK?
0:26:29 > 0:26:32"Lips, Lips, how come this? How come that? How come...?" I don't fucking know!
0:26:32 > 0:26:36I'm just a fucking guy, man, and I just wanted to come and do a tour.
0:26:36 > 0:26:43I did everything I fuckin' could to make this as pleasant as possible, and it's been nothing
0:26:43 > 0:26:47but a nightmare, the whole thing from top to bottom.
0:26:47 > 0:26:49No-one listens to me when I say things.
0:26:49 > 0:26:51You can imagine how I feel.
0:26:55 > 0:26:59- I'm doing everything right, and I'm getting shit on.- He's going home. He's done with the band.
0:26:59 > 0:27:04- Fuckin' he wants to sue you civilly, and, uh...- For what?- I don't know.
0:27:04 > 0:27:06It's so unfair to Anvil. It's so unfair to Anvil, man.
0:27:06 > 0:27:10How much more can one person put their fucking love and dedication into something?
0:27:10 > 0:27:12How much more does one person go?
0:27:12 > 0:27:16This fuckin' band, man, I want to fuckin'... I need it to rise, man.
0:27:16 > 0:27:18Robb, I don't want to fight with you.
0:27:18 > 0:27:20Do you understand me? Look at me.
0:27:20 > 0:27:23I don't want to fuckin' fight with you, man.
0:27:23 > 0:27:24- OK?- But you do.
0:27:24 > 0:27:28I know, and we always end up like that. What for?
0:27:28 > 0:27:32Only to end up where we were the day before. Everything's OK.
0:27:32 > 0:27:35OK? So let's just go play and get on with it.
0:27:35 > 0:27:38Anyway, the place is jam-fuckin'-packed.
0:28:01 > 0:28:04It's so unprofessional, what we are going through right now.
0:28:04 > 0:28:06It's fucking sad.
0:28:21 > 0:28:23Welcome to Romania!
0:28:25 > 0:28:27Tomorrow, it's cool.
0:28:29 > 0:28:33Tiziana's told us there's going to be at least five to ten thousand people there.
0:28:33 > 0:28:36It's a huge, huge arena.
0:28:36 > 0:28:39Even the mayor of Transylvania's supposed to show up.
0:28:46 > 0:28:47Anvil!
0:28:53 > 0:28:54Look at this.
0:28:54 > 0:28:57It's the biggest fucking gig and the littlest amp.
0:29:04 > 0:29:07# It's getting late and I'm ready for you... #
0:29:08 > 0:29:09Anvil very good.
0:29:09 > 0:29:11Father and son.
0:29:11 > 0:29:13I'm proud of this father. He's my dad.
0:29:44 > 0:29:46Hello, Cleveland!
0:29:46 > 0:29:53..of Canadian metal, Toronto's own Anvil!
0:30:31 > 0:30:32- Max.- Max?- Max.
0:30:34 > 0:30:35Whoops.
0:30:39 > 0:30:42- Yes.- Why?- They never pay me!
0:30:42 > 0:30:4899.9% of bands never get paid.
0:30:48 > 0:30:52That's the truth. I work every day, just like everybody else.
0:30:52 > 0:30:54I'm a regular person. You know?
0:30:54 > 0:30:57Right now, I'm on vacation.
0:30:57 > 0:31:00I leave my job and I come and I rock'n'roll!
0:31:00 > 0:31:04And then I go back, and it's back to the same old bullshit.
0:31:22 > 0:31:25We worked for five weeks.
0:31:25 > 0:31:27Got paid nothing.
0:31:27 > 0:31:29Not even one record company showed up.
0:31:35 > 0:31:37Did you have a good weekend?
0:31:37 > 0:31:40- Good, thanks. - OK, that's good.- How about you?
0:31:40 > 0:31:43Oh, not too bad. Bit busy.
0:31:43 > 0:31:46Sometimes, things go wrong.
0:31:46 > 0:31:48Things went drastically wrong.
0:31:48 > 0:31:52But at least there was a tour for it to go wrong on.
0:31:52 > 0:31:54Tiziana was nothing but help.
0:31:54 > 0:31:58Her heart was in the right place, and when she said that she was going
0:31:58 > 0:32:02to do it with passion and love, that's precisely what she did.
0:32:02 > 0:32:04She was good to her word.
0:32:04 > 0:32:07I'm grateful. I don't regret a minute of it.
0:32:17 > 0:32:22By the power vested in me by the province of Ontario, it is my honour
0:32:22 > 0:32:28and delight you to declare you henceforth to be husband and wife, and you may kiss your bride!
0:32:28 > 0:32:31Yippee!
0:32:31 > 0:32:34- See? Guitar picks.- Yeah!
0:32:34 > 0:32:37- Very neat. - All right! Rock'n'roll, baby!
0:33:13 > 0:33:17So, what's he given up over the years in order to do what he wants to do?
0:33:17 > 0:33:19Well, making money.
0:33:19 > 0:33:21He gave that up.
0:33:22 > 0:33:27And that was a little difficult for me to accept, because I'd
0:33:27 > 0:33:33like my children to go to school and make something of themselves.
0:33:33 > 0:33:35Typical Jewish immigrant parents.
0:33:35 > 0:33:39Anyone that goes into the arts generally does not succeed.
0:33:39 > 0:33:41Y'know, it's a tough life, and they didn't really want that for him.
0:33:41 > 0:33:45But you also couldn't understand his choice. You also were not...
0:33:48 > 0:33:51How could I... I mean, it was a tough life that he chose for himself.
0:33:51 > 0:33:53He wasn't going to be a tailor.
0:33:53 > 0:33:55He wasn't going into the menswear business.
0:33:55 > 0:33:59Stephen is not a businessman, he's an artist. That's who he is.
0:33:59 > 0:34:00He didn't want to live in mediocrity.
0:34:00 > 0:34:04He'd rather live in poverty and have nothing.
0:34:04 > 0:34:09He wanted to prove my father wrong, I think, and he's been searching for that validation
0:34:09 > 0:34:12since he's ten years old, that this effort that he's put forth
0:34:12 > 0:34:17to become a great musician would become worth it.
0:34:19 > 0:34:21They just didn't understand.
0:34:21 > 0:34:27He deserved the same support that I got. And my parents were amazing.
0:34:27 > 0:34:31My father and mother loved the fact that I
0:34:31 > 0:34:34got interested in something and I excelled at it very...
0:34:34 > 0:34:36well, and they saw the progress. So they were just very supportive.
0:34:36 > 0:34:41He kept saying to my dad, I believe, "I really want to play the drums, I really love the drums,"
0:34:41 > 0:34:45da-da-da, da-da-da, and it was shortly before Christmas,
0:34:45 > 0:34:49I believe, and there it was, Christmas, his first set of drums.
0:34:49 > 0:34:51That's all it's been since.
0:34:51 > 0:34:53Look at the blur of that stick, man.
0:34:53 > 0:34:58I'm burnin'. I'm smiling here, and I usually don't smile.
0:34:58 > 0:35:01I was happy, man. It looks like I found something that was going to work.
0:35:04 > 0:35:08Robb's father was in Auschwitz.
0:35:08 > 0:35:13He was young. He was fifteen years old that time.
0:35:13 > 0:35:21He did anything and everything in the camp to get that piece of bread or...
0:35:21 > 0:35:23He was a fighter.
0:35:23 > 0:35:28He was, y'know, virtually going to die when they liberated him.
0:35:28 > 0:35:32He was sick, right? But I mean, that's the kind
0:35:32 > 0:35:34of guy he was.
0:35:34 > 0:35:38I mean, he was a fuckin' Hungarian Jew, man. Y'know?
0:35:38 > 0:35:42That's where my roots come from.
0:35:42 > 0:35:45He was totally supportive, man. His trip was, "Just fuckin' do it.
0:35:45 > 0:35:49"You're happy, man, you're doing it. I'm with you."
0:35:54 > 0:35:56My father was a jeweller,
0:35:56 > 0:36:00and he gave these to me when I was 13 years old
0:36:00 > 0:36:05as a gift, and I've never had them off my neck since they were given to me,
0:36:05 > 0:36:10except the odd time I've had a few scraps with Lips and he's ripped them off my neck and stuff.
0:36:10 > 0:36:14But I've always repaired it, you know?
0:36:20 > 0:36:23The reality is that we're not getting any younger.
0:36:26 > 0:36:28Time doesn't move backwards, it moves forwards.
0:36:28 > 0:36:32Your belly gets bigger, your face starts to sag, your hair falls out.
0:36:32 > 0:36:35You run out of time! You've got to do it now!
0:36:37 > 0:36:41Y'know? Twenty years, thirty years,
0:36:41 > 0:36:44forty years, you're done. Y'know?
0:36:44 > 0:36:47We've just got to get it done.
0:36:47 > 0:36:53I, personally... I say always "I", but for all of us, y'know, I need to realise this while I can.
0:36:53 > 0:36:55- Well, that's it! - That's it. Just while I can.
0:37:01 > 0:37:05Y'know, one of the main reasons that I think that Anvil has never really
0:37:05 > 0:37:12gotten anywhere is our albums have sounded like crap and we haven't sounded good since Chris Tsangarides
0:37:12 > 0:37:14recorded us back in the early Eighties.
0:37:14 > 0:37:19One Toronto band who lives and dies for their heroes of Judas Priest, Motorhead, Iron Maiden and others is
0:37:19 > 0:37:24Anvil, who may not be the prettiest band in town but, then again, never profess to be.
0:37:24 > 0:37:26# Metal on metal
0:37:26 > 0:37:27# It's what I crave
0:37:28 > 0:37:30# The louder the better
0:37:30 > 0:37:32# I'll turn in my grave... #
0:37:32 > 0:37:36One of the things Anvil has going for them that should help them gain respect in the marketplace
0:37:36 > 0:37:40is that production of the new album was handled by Chris Tsangarides.
0:37:40 > 0:37:42Chris, you've got quite a history of doing heavy rock bands.
0:37:42 > 0:37:43Who are some of the other people you've been producing?
0:37:43 > 0:37:48The last thing I did was Thin Lizzy's new album, Renegade.
0:37:48 > 0:37:52- Never having worked with a Canadian band before, how do you find the guys?- Yeah, er, great. Really.
0:37:52 > 0:37:58Yeah, I think they have a lot of English tendencies as opposed to
0:37:58 > 0:38:01Canadian - and I mean that in the nicest possible way - musically.
0:38:01 > 0:38:03Mm-hm.
0:38:03 > 0:38:11At this point, I'll send him a demo tape and hope to hell that he is interested enough
0:38:11 > 0:38:16and remembers us well enough to get involved again.
0:38:25 > 0:38:28Juice, pop or...?
0:38:28 > 0:38:32- Pop.- Pop?- Yeah.- OK.
0:38:37 > 0:38:40This is where I hang out sometimes, y'know?
0:38:40 > 0:38:44It's just Robbo's studio music area.
0:38:44 > 0:38:47This is where I hide from everybody.
0:38:47 > 0:38:50Y'know, nobody bothers me down here. I hang out here.
0:38:50 > 0:38:54There's Anvil master tapes here, but they're buried in all this junk.
0:38:56 > 0:38:58These pictures here, like, nobody ever seen this stuff, y'know?
0:38:58 > 0:39:01I like painting. I love to paint.
0:39:04 > 0:39:06This is in East Germany. I forget the name of the town.
0:39:06 > 0:39:08It's on the back of the picture.
0:39:08 > 0:39:11So I made a painting of it. I like buildings.
0:39:12 > 0:39:17There's a guy called Edward Hopper. I love the guy, his art style.
0:39:17 > 0:39:23I find it very appealing when you see a scene but there's nobody in it. I like that.
0:39:23 > 0:39:26It's a very quiet place. You know?
0:39:34 > 0:39:40That right there, it's just a monument of an anvil in a park.
0:39:40 > 0:39:43Look at the size of the people. So I made the scale like that's big.
0:39:43 > 0:39:47Right? You know, like the Egyptians would have, like it's like a god.
0:39:47 > 0:39:49You know, "The god is there!"
0:39:49 > 0:39:52That's what I was thinking.
0:39:52 > 0:39:57This picture is what I call Left Behind.
0:39:57 > 0:40:00This is what's left behind when I'm not around no more.
0:40:00 > 0:40:04I kind of just thought I'd paint myself out of it.
0:40:14 > 0:40:18OK, now I will tell you about the grand finale here.
0:40:18 > 0:40:21This baby comes from Europe.
0:40:21 > 0:40:24The inspiration for this is totally German.
0:40:24 > 0:40:30If you touch it or feel it and look at it, it actually has texture.
0:40:30 > 0:40:34Um, I thought it would be the place to put it, obviously, because
0:40:34 > 0:40:38the wife definitely didn't want it in the living room.
0:40:38 > 0:40:40Message one.
0:40:40 > 0:40:44Hey, Lips! Hey, it's CT here, man. I got the tape.
0:40:44 > 0:40:53I'd like you to give me a call here at my studio in Dover, and we'll talk further. All right, mate.
0:41:01 > 0:41:04- CT!- Hey, Lips!
0:41:04 > 0:41:06How's it going, man?
0:41:06 > 0:41:07All right! Hey, how are you?
0:41:07 > 0:41:11- I'm doing good, man. How have you been?- 'ckin A.
0:41:11 > 0:41:12Fuckin' A!
0:41:14 > 0:41:16It's fucking good to hear your voice, man.
0:41:16 > 0:41:19- And yours, too. Fuck, yeah!- Fuck!
0:41:19 > 0:41:21Yeah, man. Well, I listened to the tape,
0:41:21 > 0:41:24and, well, you know...
0:41:24 > 0:41:27I want to sit down and talk to you at length about this, but
0:41:27 > 0:41:32we need to sit down together in the same room and we'll go through the shit.
0:41:32 > 0:41:35But definitely I think we've got something.
0:41:35 > 0:41:37Oh, that's really, really good news, man.
0:41:44 > 0:41:50- Holy shit.- We have right now 19 songs written.
0:41:50 > 0:41:52- Right.- We want to put thirteen on this record, because this album's called This Is Thirteen.
0:41:52 > 0:41:54Right.
0:41:54 > 0:42:00- The fact that we're still here doing it, almost it has its own energy now.- Thirty years!
0:42:00 > 0:42:04I want to just, like, "Fuck it, man, let's take what we've got and let's fucking once and for all
0:42:04 > 0:42:07"try to get this channelled in the right direction."
0:42:07 > 0:42:12Yeah. We need to find about twelve, thirteen thousand pounds
0:42:12 > 0:42:14to do it.
0:42:14 > 0:42:20You know, with that minimum of investment, we've got the potential, like you rightly say, to continue.
0:42:20 > 0:42:22And we own everything.
0:42:22 > 0:42:25You know what, guys? If this sells, y'know, we get so much.
0:42:25 > 0:42:27If it doesn't sell,
0:42:27 > 0:42:31what the fuck? We've made a great record anyway, we don't owe anything to anybody.
0:42:31 > 0:42:35I just have this feeling. I don't know why, I haven't got a clue.
0:42:35 > 0:42:37I just know that we should do it.
0:42:37 > 0:42:40It's what we all do.
0:42:40 > 0:42:43- Where does that leave us? - It leaves you about to record an album with CT.
0:42:43 > 0:42:45It's so genius!
0:42:51 > 0:42:56Well, at this point it looks like we're going to have to take further steps.
0:42:56 > 0:43:01It's really bad, because, of course, this is an expense.
0:43:01 > 0:43:06We don't know whether to take initiative now or wait.
0:43:07 > 0:43:09So much is riding on it.
0:43:09 > 0:43:12Here I've got this incredible opportunity to work with one of the
0:43:12 > 0:43:16world's greatest producers, and it costs a fortune.
0:43:18 > 0:43:22I have no idea where I'm going to get that kind of money.
0:43:32 > 0:43:35..these are Ray-Bans or Guccis. He's going to see the...
0:43:35 > 0:43:37Get out of town!
0:43:37 > 0:43:41Where in the hell did you get those glasses, and where can I get a pair for myself?
0:43:41 > 0:43:43I tell you what I'll do for you...
0:43:43 > 0:43:46You've got to be dedicated and you've got to want it,
0:43:46 > 0:43:49and if you're loud and enthusiastic
0:43:49 > 0:43:53and energetic, you can make yourself a shit-whack of money here.
0:43:53 > 0:43:55Read the pitch word for word, OK?
0:43:55 > 0:43:57That's what's going to make you money here.
0:43:57 > 0:43:59Read the pitch word for word.
0:43:59 > 0:44:04The pitch is designed basically so that if a monkey could read, he'd make six hundred bucks a week.
0:44:04 > 0:44:06Hello. May I please speak to Bob?
0:44:06 > 0:44:09Many a times as a fan,
0:44:09 > 0:44:14I've been there for him, and now he's here for me but he's also here for himself.
0:44:14 > 0:44:16Bob, these are gorgeous. They are going to...
0:44:16 > 0:44:18They're made in Italy by RL.
0:44:18 > 0:44:24They're called Vipers. These are identical to the ones Keanu Reeves wore in the movie The Matrix.
0:44:24 > 0:44:27They're absolutely gorgeous! Made in Italy by RL. They call them Vipers.
0:44:27 > 0:44:30They say they give you a 45% better chance of getting laid.
0:44:30 > 0:44:33I'm not calling to cost you money, I'm calling to make you money.
0:44:33 > 0:44:37Try not to at least talk me out of one box.
0:44:37 > 0:44:40Come on, buddy, pull up your pants, grab your balls and let's do this.
0:44:40 > 0:44:43- I'll tell you what I'll do for you. - I'll tell you what I'll do.
0:44:43 > 0:44:44I got a guy doing a golf tournament.
0:44:44 > 0:44:46I got a guy doing a golf tournament.
0:44:46 > 0:44:49- He's doing a half a box... - And he's doing half a box...
0:44:49 > 0:44:52- OK. OK...- What?
0:44:52 > 0:44:57I've been trained my whole life to be polite, and that job does the exact opposite.
0:44:57 > 0:45:02- You've got to go against everything that you learnt as a kid. - So why are you doing it?
0:45:02 > 0:45:06Because I thought that Lips the character would have no problem with
0:45:06 > 0:45:13doing it, but as it turns out, that guy is actually a lot more honest than telephone salesmen. Hey, Bill!
0:45:13 > 0:45:18It's Steve Powers from R&J!
0:45:18 > 0:45:30I worked there for a total of probably eight hours in three visits, and I made nothing.
0:45:30 > 0:45:32Got to remortgage my house.
0:45:32 > 0:45:36And I'm not the only one who sits in a really, really, "Whoa," OK?
0:45:36 > 0:45:38Like, really serious shit.
0:45:38 > 0:45:40Ivan has missed his mortgage payments.
0:45:40 > 0:45:43There may be a power sale on his home. OK?
0:45:43 > 0:45:45Like, I'm not the only one.
0:45:45 > 0:45:48Glenn, G5, he doesn't even have a home.
0:45:48 > 0:45:51All of his stuff is sitting in a garage.
0:45:51 > 0:45:56OK? He rented a garage because he hasn't got enough money to live.
0:45:56 > 0:45:57No-one's getting paid!
0:45:57 > 0:46:00It's just everybody believes in Lips.
0:46:00 > 0:46:06That's an incredible thing, like a blind dedication,
0:46:06 > 0:46:11and I'm the only one who's got the vision. "Lips'll take us there."
0:46:11 > 0:46:13I'm going to take you there, man. I got this...
0:46:13 > 0:46:17It's been a year of it, an absolute overwhelming year.
0:46:17 > 0:46:19I'm going to fuckin' do it!
0:46:21 > 0:46:24That's what it is. And that's why I'm here.
0:46:24 > 0:46:27I took the fuckin' risk. Yeah!
0:46:27 > 0:46:29At what cost?
0:46:29 > 0:46:32So? There's cliffs I can go jump off. That's the easy way.
0:46:32 > 0:46:36Well, no, you won't jump off the cliff, because I'll stop you.
0:46:38 > 0:46:41That's dedication, pal.
0:46:41 > 0:46:43Seriously.
0:46:47 > 0:46:49That's where it's taken me.
0:46:49 > 0:46:55Twenty-five, thirty years, man of having somebody dedicated to me. He believes in me.
0:46:57 > 0:46:59"Lips is my buddy, man.
0:46:59 > 0:47:01"We're going to do it together.
0:47:01 > 0:47:04"We're going to get there. We're going to fuckin' do it."
0:47:04 > 0:47:06Since we're fuckin' fourteen years old!
0:47:06 > 0:47:09And here we sit in our fucking fifties, man!
0:47:09 > 0:47:11"We're going to be rock stars!
0:47:11 > 0:47:13"It's our fucking dream!
0:47:13 > 0:47:14"But I'm going to make it come true!"
0:47:19 > 0:47:21He will always have
0:47:21 > 0:47:24what he's done in the past,
0:47:24 > 0:47:28but if it's over, then you've got to find something else to do.
0:47:28 > 0:47:29He's got a son, he's got a wife.
0:47:29 > 0:47:31He's got two stepdaughters, right?
0:47:31 > 0:47:34I mean, he's got a mortgage, he's got this, he's got that.
0:47:34 > 0:47:37And Anvil, they tour, they don't make a lot of money, and
0:47:37 > 0:47:43he's basically telling me, "It's got to happen, or I'm done."
0:47:44 > 0:47:46Oh, yeah, I mean, someone has to stay home,
0:47:46 > 0:47:50raising a child, and work.
0:47:52 > 0:47:56I've been very patient as a wife.
0:47:56 > 0:47:58How long is it going to take?
0:47:58 > 0:48:01How long do I have to keep waiting?
0:48:01 > 0:48:04They've been working hard to try and make things work, and they're just
0:48:04 > 0:48:09not getting, I believe, personally, what they deserve, that's all.
0:48:18 > 0:48:20- Merry Christmas.- Merry Christmas.
0:48:27 > 0:48:30I've always believed that,
0:48:30 > 0:48:36no matter how hard it gets or how impossible, there's always hope and there's always a way.
0:48:40 > 0:48:42Keep smiling!
0:48:42 > 0:48:44And the most incredible thing has happened.
0:48:44 > 0:48:47My sister's actually going to help me out.
0:48:47 > 0:48:51She's decided to actually lend us the money to go do the album.
0:48:51 > 0:49:00She knows how important it is right now in my life and the time that this all is transpiring.
0:49:00 > 0:49:04It's just an incredible, incredible thing.
0:49:04 > 0:49:14But I just wish him well, and I wish him success and happiness, and that's all I've ever really wanted for him.
0:49:14 > 0:49:17He's my dear brother, and I've
0:49:17 > 0:49:19always loved him.
0:49:24 > 0:49:26My sister.
0:49:33 > 0:49:36Got my big sister, man.
0:49:37 > 0:49:39It's cool.
0:49:40 > 0:49:43Family's important shit, man.
0:49:43 > 0:49:45Yeah.
0:50:26 > 0:50:29If people looked inside themselves a bit more
0:50:29 > 0:50:32and think, "Well, why didn't my record sell?"
0:50:32 > 0:50:34Well, maybe people didn't like it.
0:50:34 > 0:50:38And that's the bottom line. The songs have not been up to muster.
0:50:38 > 0:50:44OK, that's compounded by having crappy record labels,
0:50:44 > 0:50:51crappy productions, no management, no anything, just a bunch of guys on their own trying to do this.
0:50:51 > 0:50:55Now, I defy a lot of people
0:50:55 > 0:50:59to get anywhere like this, but they stuck it through.
0:50:59 > 0:51:02They stuck it through, and the fact that they managed to get contact
0:51:02 > 0:51:05with me and I heard the stuff and thought, "You know what?
0:51:05 > 0:51:08"There's something here. We can do something with this."
0:51:10 > 0:51:18To get an opportunity at this point in time in history, I think is nothing less than a miracle.
0:51:18 > 0:51:22- Hello, brethren.- CT vibes.
0:51:22 > 0:51:23HM brethren here!
0:51:25 > 0:51:27- Yeah.- And then come in with it.
0:51:57 > 0:52:00This is a good little fuckin' catchy tune, man.
0:52:00 > 0:52:02I mean, it's straightforward metal rock.
0:52:02 > 0:52:05It's maybe not even like metal.
0:52:05 > 0:52:06It could be in the pop...
0:52:06 > 0:52:09Punk pop? How about punk pop metal?
0:52:09 > 0:52:10# Bombs away
0:52:11 > 0:52:14# Bombs away
0:52:18 > 0:52:20# Bombs away
0:52:21 > 0:52:22# Shells explode
0:52:22 > 0:52:24# Flashing lights
0:52:24 > 0:52:26# Burning fires
0:52:26 > 0:52:27# Turn day to night
0:52:27 > 0:52:29# Head on back
0:52:29 > 0:52:30# Reload bay
0:52:30 > 0:52:32# Off again
0:52:32 > 0:52:34# Bombs away
0:52:34 > 0:52:35# You don't stand a chance... #
0:52:35 > 0:52:40You know what? I'm doing some other stuff that I wasn't anticipating.
0:52:40 > 0:52:42- That's good!- OK.
0:52:42 > 0:52:46# Tarot cards and tea leaves
0:52:46 > 0:52:49# A crystal ball
0:52:51 > 0:52:54# Palm reading, candlelight
0:52:55 > 0:52:59# Fortunes to tell
0:52:59 > 0:53:02# Fear the unknown
0:53:05 > 0:53:06# Edge of your seat
0:53:06 > 0:53:11# In anticipation... #
0:53:26 > 0:53:28SHOUTING: I don't know what you want! What do you want?
0:53:28 > 0:53:31You sit here all fuckin' day pouting. It's crap.
0:53:31 > 0:53:33You're causing disruption.
0:53:33 > 0:53:36- Let it all out.- You fucking listen to me, you fucking asshole.
0:53:36 > 0:53:37- What, you smile?- Guys...
0:53:37 > 0:53:41You're smiling. You're a fucking loser. You're a fucking loser.
0:53:41 > 0:53:42- Let it all out.- That's what you are.
0:53:42 > 0:53:45- Let it all out, man. - Hang on, guys, come and sit down.
0:53:45 > 0:53:48It's destructive, it's negative energy.
0:53:48 > 0:53:50What are you doing?
0:53:50 > 0:53:54- I'm...- You got everything fucking going for you! What are you doing?
0:53:54 > 0:53:55And everybody tells me that.
0:53:55 > 0:53:58You're right. Everybody tells me that.
0:53:58 > 0:54:00Constantly. You're right. I agree.
0:54:00 > 0:54:02- So maybe...- So where are you going? What are you doing?
0:54:02 > 0:54:08I'm going to go pursue something a little more satisfactory than I guess what's happening with you.
0:54:08 > 0:54:12Sorry. You push me away. I'm accepting your offer.
0:54:12 > 0:54:13I'm on to the next page.
0:54:17 > 0:54:21Oi vey! Why is this happening?
0:54:21 > 0:54:25I'm fucking sick of it! I can't fuckin' deal with it.
0:54:25 > 0:54:28You know? We're going to come apart at the seams.
0:54:28 > 0:54:29I don't know what's going to happen.
0:54:29 > 0:54:32I am so fuckin' fed up.
0:54:32 > 0:54:34Like, we've got to get a drummer.
0:54:37 > 0:54:39I mean, I don't know what to say.
0:54:39 > 0:54:42He's fired. I mean, what can I say?
0:54:58 > 0:55:00'That guy lives to hurt me, man.'
0:55:00 > 0:55:04Envy, jealousy, I don't even know what the fuck is wrong with him.
0:55:04 > 0:55:06The guy's a fucking little...
0:55:06 > 0:55:09Just lives to fucking hurt me.
0:55:12 > 0:55:15I stay dedicated to what?
0:55:15 > 0:55:18Stay dedicated to fuckin' what?
0:55:23 > 0:55:26First thing I want to say is I'm sorry.
0:55:26 > 0:55:28OK?
0:55:28 > 0:55:33- I would like to hear that. - OK, just look at me. Look in my eye, and I want to talk to you, Robb.
0:55:33 > 0:55:37I'm sorry. Do you understand that?
0:55:37 > 0:55:42I'm under a hell of a lot of stress, OK? If I lose my temper...
0:55:42 > 0:55:46If anybody knows, you know.
0:55:46 > 0:55:48I'm tired of being the fall guy.
0:55:48 > 0:55:50You understand? I'm tired of it. I'm sorry.
0:55:50 > 0:55:52I don't want negative energy around.
0:55:52 > 0:55:56- Fuck you, man. There is no negative...- Yes, it is! - I'm the most positi...
0:55:56 > 0:56:02Yes, it is, because negative energy is when you say to me, "Oh, you do half-assed takes and settle for it."
0:56:02 > 0:56:10That is a rude, underhanded low blow, because I could say the same thing about your takes.
0:56:10 > 0:56:12- I would never dare...- You can say...
0:56:12 > 0:56:14..because I don't feel that way.
0:56:14 > 0:56:19Sit down. Sit down. Let's try reasonable voices.
0:56:19 > 0:56:25So, what I can see going on here is we're having a little bit of...
0:56:25 > 0:56:29when something is said, it's over-amplified
0:56:29 > 0:56:31and the recipient...
0:56:31 > 0:56:36gets bent out of shape, for whatever reason - call it cabin fever, call it...
0:56:36 > 0:56:39I don't know. It's academic now.
0:56:41 > 0:56:43I'm hard to live with.
0:56:43 > 0:56:46- Fair enough.- I'm hard to live with.
0:56:46 > 0:56:49Bless you, man!
0:56:49 > 0:56:51- Fair enough!- Y'know?
0:56:51 > 0:56:52Fair enough.
0:56:52 > 0:56:56- I'm emotional.- Yeah. - No doubt about it.
0:56:56 > 0:56:59- But that's what makes you what you are and makes all of us what we are. - Yeah, but that's cool, man.
0:56:59 > 0:57:05I know that's what you are, man, but the bottom line is why am I your fall guy constant-fuckin'-ly?
0:57:05 > 0:57:08- When I'm there for you... - Because I love you. That's why.
0:57:08 > 0:57:10Because I'm there for you fucking constantly.
0:57:10 > 0:57:14Well, he does, man. You want to hear what he says about you.
0:57:14 > 0:57:16You're my fucking brother, man!
0:57:19 > 0:57:25- Who else could I fucking cry on their shoulder and fucking say shit to? Who else?- Yeah.
0:57:25 > 0:57:29Who's the closest person I got in the world?
0:57:29 > 0:57:30Oh, man, I know. I know.
0:57:30 > 0:57:32Think about that!
0:57:34 > 0:57:38Good. Good.
0:57:39 > 0:57:46If I can't express myself and blow up at you, what have I got?
0:57:46 > 0:57:49You're the closest person I have!
0:57:50 > 0:57:53Well...
0:57:53 > 0:57:55I'm sorry! I don't know what to say.
0:57:55 > 0:57:58I'm sorry! I'm very sorry.
0:57:58 > 0:58:02OK. Fine. I hear you.
0:58:02 > 0:58:06- It's just been so much of it, dude, man. It's like I don't know what the fuck...- We're both stressed!
0:58:06 > 0:58:09I ain't stressed about nothing, man.
0:58:09 > 0:58:13- Well, I am! - I get stressed when you start fucking blowing it out on me, dude.
0:58:13 > 0:58:16Yeah, then I get stressed, but otherwise I ain't stressed.
0:58:16 > 0:58:18I'm fuckin' going, "Let's go, boys!
0:58:18 > 0:58:22- "Let's show the fuckin' world and some of these assholes that they're wrong!"- Exactly.
0:58:22 > 0:58:26Who is the one always driving that machine? Robbo.
0:58:26 > 0:58:32If you look at it in the great scheme of things, it's a very, very tiny concern,
0:58:32 > 0:58:39really, what we're talking about, and the reactions from everybody are just a little bit excessive. Yeah.
0:58:39 > 0:58:42Totally. So I need your support.
0:58:42 > 0:58:46I need your bloody faith in what I'm going to do
0:58:46 > 0:58:50to make this record sound like the fucking dog's bollocks. And it will.
0:58:50 > 0:58:52Listen, man, I'm sorry, buddy.
0:58:52 > 0:58:54OK? Listen to me. I'm sorry. I love you like a brother.
0:58:54 > 0:58:56You know that.
0:58:56 > 0:58:59OK? We got a long road ahead of us.
0:59:12 > 0:59:15'I still believe that there's an overall feeling of this.
0:59:15 > 0:59:19'There's something guiding us,
0:59:19 > 0:59:24'an aura around us that protects and keeps it going.
0:59:24 > 0:59:29'I don't know what that is or why it is or how it is, but whether it's
0:59:29 > 0:59:33'the bonding between Robb and I from since we were kids...
0:59:33 > 0:59:36'I don't know what it is, but it's, like, we're there for life.'
0:59:39 > 0:59:42'Yeah, we're family, man. We're close buddies, man.
0:59:42 > 0:59:46'Like any family, we have our differences and stuff, but,
0:59:46 > 0:59:49'you know, we've always been able to work through that stuff.'
0:59:52 > 0:59:54- Merlin did it.- Merlin did it.
0:59:54 > 0:59:59Either that or Satan was running all across the countryside and he dropped a few stones, right?
0:59:59 > 1:00:03He was high, man. He was drinking or something.
1:00:03 > 1:00:06I want to touch it, man.
1:00:06 > 1:00:09The healing powers is the stuff that I need.
1:00:31 > 1:00:35In the studio with me is Lips from Anvil along with Chris Tsangarides,
1:00:35 > 1:00:39producer of This Is Thirteen, the name of the brand-new Anvil CD.
1:00:39 > 1:00:41Welcome to California and welcome to KNAC.
1:00:41 > 1:00:45- Lips, what label will be putting this out?- That's a good question.
1:00:45 > 1:00:49Now, that is going to be the 64 question for This is Thirteen.
1:00:49 > 1:00:52I'm looking for a manager. I'm looking for somebody to properly
1:00:52 > 1:00:57represent the band and get us out there playing in the proper places, get us with the proper record
1:00:57 > 1:01:04company that's going to put our product out there for people to know that it's there.
1:01:04 > 1:01:06Tell you what, this is going to be now the world premiere,
1:01:06 > 1:01:09here on KNAC, the world premiere here on The Vaults.
1:01:09 > 1:01:12This Is Thirteen.
1:01:12 > 1:01:19# Tarot cards and tea leaves A crystal ball
1:01:19 > 1:01:23# The Gypsy's kiss
1:01:23 > 1:01:27# The death card's call... #
1:01:30 > 1:01:32I really feel that
1:01:32 > 1:01:36This Is Thirteen is the best-sounding Anvil album ever.
1:01:36 > 1:01:40And everything is riding on it. We're going to have all the record
1:01:40 > 1:01:43companies that we can get listen to it
1:01:43 > 1:01:45and hopefully they'll make bids on it.
1:01:45 > 1:01:49Hopefully we'll get a real, proper record contract
1:01:49 > 1:01:54and somehow get someplace in this godforsaken, crazy business.
1:01:58 > 1:02:02- It's the new Anvil album. - Yeah, I'll make sure he gets it.
1:02:22 > 1:02:24Hopefully we'll have more luck back at home.
1:02:41 > 1:02:42- Hi. - I'm Fraser.- Hi. Robb Reiner.
1:02:42 > 1:02:45- Robb, nice to meet you. - Lips.- Sit down, boys.
1:02:45 > 1:02:47You can make lots of money with this band.
1:02:47 > 1:02:49A lot of rock and make money.
1:02:49 > 1:02:51There's nothing wrong with that!
1:02:51 > 1:02:54- OK, American Refugee first. - Number 13 first.- OK.
1:02:54 > 1:02:56MUSIC PLAYS
1:03:08 > 1:03:11# Searching for a place to hide
1:03:11 > 1:03:17# Running from losing the fight Forsaking the land of the free... #
1:03:17 > 1:03:20It's a bit of a challenge, to be honest.
1:03:20 > 1:03:23So, the landscape has changed here, and it just has to...
1:03:23 > 1:03:26If it's going to work here, it has to be the right fit,
1:03:26 > 1:03:30and we've got to be able to give you guys what you deserve and vice versa.
1:03:30 > 1:03:34A major label should put this out, because it's not justice to have
1:03:34 > 1:03:37something that sounds this good to go out on anything less than that!
1:03:37 > 1:03:39Somebody better do this justice.
1:03:39 > 1:03:43It hurts so bad, because everything else
1:03:43 > 1:03:46was done so correctly, and that's what was wrong with Attic Records.
1:03:46 > 1:03:49There was the Metal On Metal and Forged In Fire albums.
1:03:49 > 1:03:56Those were classic albums - they ARE classic albums - but recorded for an independent who fumbled the ball.
1:03:56 > 1:03:59The history speaks for itself. You've been around a long time,
1:03:59 > 1:04:01- and that has currency. - That says it all, doesn't it?
1:04:01 > 1:04:03It's due.
1:04:03 > 1:04:07I really will check it out and listen to it, and we'll see if it fits.
1:04:07 > 1:04:10But we definitely won't get into something we don't think
1:04:10 > 1:04:14we can do what you guys deserve, because it's been...
1:04:14 > 1:04:17Man, being 51 and doing this, this is a real commitment.
1:04:17 > 1:04:20I mean, it's amazing. Thanks for coming by.
1:04:20 > 1:04:22Thanks for having us.
1:04:22 > 1:04:25- Really nice meeting you, man. - That's terrific. Thanks a lot.
1:04:25 > 1:04:27- Have a great day.- All right.
1:04:28 > 1:04:31He said, "Your history is worth money."
1:04:31 > 1:04:32Yeah.
1:04:32 > 1:04:34- That's what he said.- Yeah. - He summed it up, basically -
1:04:34 > 1:04:38- "It doesn't matter what the fuck, that's what you got, guys."- Yeah.
1:04:38 > 1:04:41"I don't give a fuck about anything else."
1:04:58 > 1:05:01This is not good. Uh...
1:05:03 > 1:05:06'I hate the fuckin' industry, y'know?
1:05:06 > 1:05:10'It will never change. It will never get better.
1:05:10 > 1:05:15'They're all fuckin' bottom-feeder pieces of fuck that run the thing, organised criminals,
1:05:15 > 1:05:17'y'know, drug fucking runners.
1:05:17 > 1:05:20'That's what the business is about, right? I hate it, man.'
1:05:21 > 1:05:2799.9% of the time, the guy never listens to your fucking tape.
1:05:27 > 1:05:34And his desk is piled up like this with other entries into the lottery of rock'n'roll.
1:05:34 > 1:05:37He's going to look at it. He goes, "Let me see. What am I looking at?
1:05:37 > 1:05:39"OK, these guys are in their fifties."
1:05:39 > 1:05:43And he's got another band. "Hey, these guys are in their twenties. Hm!"
1:05:43 > 1:05:48I would like to see him make it. I would like to see him recognised,
1:05:48 > 1:05:54his talent recognised by, y'know, um...
1:05:54 > 1:06:00I know his peers do recognise it, but I would like to see him
1:06:00 > 1:06:04become as famous as he's been trying to become all these years.
1:06:04 > 1:06:06It's over.
1:06:06 > 1:06:09It's been over for a long time.
1:06:09 > 1:06:13And it's just too bad no-one's living in the real world.
1:06:13 > 1:06:16When you've been in a band for 30 years and you have thirteen,
1:06:16 > 1:06:21they're working on their thirteenth album, CD, whatever,
1:06:21 > 1:06:26and you can still only get a hundred people into a bar at any one time,
1:06:26 > 1:06:29- it's a joke. It's a joke. - Well, we'll see.
1:06:29 > 1:06:34I mean, like you say, it's just always a big "What if? What if?"
1:06:34 > 1:06:37And unfortunately for them, that's what it's been like.
1:06:37 > 1:06:39Y'know, they've really never had a break.
1:06:39 > 1:06:42Y'know, back in the Eighties, when they were on with Bon Jovi or whatever.
1:06:42 > 1:06:47But I've just been trying to be that supportive rock-star wife, I guess,
1:06:47 > 1:06:49that I've maybe wanted to live that dream as well.
1:06:49 > 1:06:54Y'know, I like the scene, I like the music, I like the bands,
1:06:54 > 1:06:56always liked the bands and the music,
1:06:56 > 1:07:00and I just fell into that Eighties scene and I liked it, y'know?
1:07:00 > 1:07:04I liked the hair. And still, the hairbands, it's still me,
1:07:04 > 1:07:07and nowadays you just keep dreaming that dream,
1:07:07 > 1:07:11but I'm still dreaming, I guess, as much as what they are.
1:07:13 > 1:07:15The album is a success.
1:07:15 > 1:07:18Whether it sells ten or ten million, it will make
1:07:18 > 1:07:23no difference to me on the level of whether it was successful or not.
1:07:23 > 1:07:28It was successful because, to me, it sounds the best we've ever sounded,
1:07:28 > 1:07:30and that's a success.
1:07:37 > 1:07:40Voila! Anvil CDs, man.
1:07:40 > 1:07:43To mass-produce a thousand CDs,
1:07:43 > 1:07:48you're looking at basically around a buck, a buck and a half per CD.
1:07:48 > 1:07:50Here it is, man.
1:07:50 > 1:07:54Wow. This Is Thirteen.
1:07:54 > 1:07:58People want this thing. We get e-mails and people freaking out - "Where the fuck is this album?"
1:07:58 > 1:08:02Y'know? So we got to get it out. It's an amazing album. I love it.
1:08:02 > 1:08:06And there's no sense waiting for some Pitkins from a record company.
1:08:06 > 1:08:08It's pointless.
1:08:08 > 1:08:11We're selling it directly to our fans, who are the people that you
1:08:11 > 1:08:16did it for to begin with, and now there's no-one in-between you and them. I think it's the way to go.
1:08:16 > 1:08:21I think it's the way to go that's going to be for all bands. I mean, it's not like we're unknown.
1:08:21 > 1:08:26We've got a great head start, because we've been around for years,
1:08:26 > 1:08:29so I think at a very minimum we're going to do OK.
1:08:47 > 1:08:50The band is really more than just his career, but it still is,
1:08:50 > 1:08:52at the end of the day, his job.
1:08:52 > 1:08:56It defines a little bit of the person who he is, but it's still the person.
1:08:56 > 1:08:59And even if the band
1:08:59 > 1:09:05doesn't go or become famous or whatever, he's still the same person.
1:09:05 > 1:09:09And I'm in love with the person, I'm not in love with the band.
1:09:09 > 1:09:11- How was skateboard?- Good.
1:09:11 > 1:09:13Good, bad, whatever.
1:09:13 > 1:09:16OK. Put your stuff down. We ordered pizza, OK?
1:09:17 > 1:09:20He's very focused on family,
1:09:20 > 1:09:23whether I complain that he's not, or he's not.
1:09:23 > 1:09:28He really is, and I think that's one of maybe...
1:09:28 > 1:09:33a greatest criticism and maybe why he withdraws from me
1:09:33 > 1:09:38is that when I criticise him and it has to do with family,
1:09:38 > 1:09:41he internalises that way too much.
1:09:41 > 1:09:45And so...
1:09:45 > 1:09:52while the band is his dream and a bit of who he is, I think even he knows,
1:09:52 > 1:09:56at the end of the day, that the family is what's important.
1:09:56 > 1:09:58Look what you made me do. You made me cry.
1:10:10 > 1:10:12It got stuck in the tree.
1:10:13 > 1:10:16- Does that count as a point?- No.
1:10:18 > 1:10:20Oh! 3-0!
1:10:22 > 1:10:25PHONE RINGS AND VIBRATES
1:10:34 > 1:10:37OK, thank you very much. I'll speak to you soon.
1:10:37 > 1:10:39I got to call Robbo! Yeah!
1:10:39 > 1:10:41We just got a gig in Japan.
1:10:41 > 1:10:43I'm serious, man!
1:10:43 > 1:10:46Fuckin' right. OK. OK, I'll speak to you after.
1:10:46 > 1:10:50All right, bye. Next! OK!
1:10:50 > 1:10:53We've sent the album out all over the place,
1:10:53 > 1:10:56and this Japanese promoter heard it,
1:10:56 > 1:10:59and he's invited us to play this massive show in Tokyo!
1:10:59 > 1:11:02See, everything turns into something else.
1:11:02 > 1:11:06You get on the phone, and then all of a sudden now we're busy.
1:11:22 > 1:11:26'It feels like an incredible force of deja vu going on.
1:11:26 > 1:11:29'I feel like I've lived this moment, for sure, before.
1:11:29 > 1:11:32'But last time I was here was in my twenties.
1:11:32 > 1:11:35'Y'know, It's really hard to believe that - fuck! -
1:11:35 > 1:11:38'a quarter-century's gone since I was last here.'
1:12:25 > 1:12:30It's good to be back, but I find out from the promoter that we're on at 11:35am.
1:12:33 > 1:12:38'I came all this distance, did everything that it took to get here,
1:12:38 > 1:12:42'and now what am I worried about? Is anybody going to show up?'
1:12:44 > 1:12:49I've been in a situation where I've had five people in a place that
1:12:49 > 1:12:53holds two thousand, and it's not a good feeling, it really isn't.
1:12:53 > 1:12:56'It'd be very disappointing if there's less than 500 people,
1:12:56 > 1:13:01'because from what I understand, it's a very, very large place.'
1:13:01 > 1:13:02Hello.
1:13:02 > 1:13:06'Listen, for me, I'll play for no-one. I don't give a shit!
1:13:06 > 1:13:11'I love to play just to hear the sound and create that vibe of being Anvil.
1:13:11 > 1:13:15'I live for that, anyway. But it's...
1:13:15 > 1:13:18'everybody else that goes with that, y'know, the people
1:13:18 > 1:13:22'that have spent the money to bring you there and everything.
1:13:22 > 1:13:25'My heart goes out to that aspect, too.'
1:13:28 > 1:13:30'What if no-one gets there?
1:13:30 > 1:13:33'Shit, man, that's not a good thing!'
1:13:37 > 1:13:41There you go. Japan.
1:14:05 > 1:14:09- Anvil! Anvil! Anvil!- Anvil!
1:14:14 > 1:14:19'A lot of times, I close my eyes during the show and think about
1:14:19 > 1:14:23'the place is full and everybody's freaking out,
1:14:23 > 1:14:26'and I try to pretend that
1:14:26 > 1:14:30'it's all good, and I really deal with it afterwards,
1:14:30 > 1:14:32'when the promoter comes up to me
1:14:32 > 1:14:36'and goes, "Well, Lips, I can't pay you what we originally
1:14:36 > 1:14:38"hoped to pay you."
1:14:38 > 1:14:43'So it'd be a really sad moment, I think, to come this distance,
1:14:43 > 1:14:46'all for five people or something.'
1:14:52 > 1:14:54CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
1:15:30 > 1:15:34# Metal on metal, it's what I crave
1:15:34 > 1:15:36# The louder the better
1:15:36 > 1:15:40# I'll turn in my grave Metal on metal
1:15:40 > 1:15:42# Ears start to bleed
1:15:42 > 1:15:47# Cranking it up Fulfilling my need
1:15:55 > 1:15:57# Metal on metal... #
1:15:57 > 1:16:01Get 'em up! # Metal on metal... #
1:16:01 > 1:16:03Louder, people!
1:16:03 > 1:16:05# Metal on metal... #
1:16:07 > 1:16:09CROWD: # Metal on metal...
1:16:11 > 1:16:13# Metal on metal... #
1:16:13 > 1:16:14C'mon, let me hear you!
1:16:14 > 1:16:17# Metal on metal
1:16:19 > 1:16:21# Metal on metal. #
1:16:22 > 1:16:24We love you, Japan.
1:16:26 > 1:16:27CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
1:16:34 > 1:16:36CROWD CHANTS: Anvil!
1:16:56 > 1:16:59'It goes far beyond writing a good song.
1:16:59 > 1:17:04'It has nothing to do with the song, it has to do with a matter of attitude, what you're willing
1:17:04 > 1:17:10'to settle for, who you're willing to work with and having a good time with my life, enjoying my life.
1:17:10 > 1:17:16'That's the most expensive thing in life, and the most valuable thing in life is your relationships,
1:17:16 > 1:17:21'the people that you know, the places you've been and the experiences you've had.'
1:17:31 > 1:17:34Oh, Godzilla!
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