The Great Chinese Crash? With Robert Peston

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0:00:05 > 0:00:09The great economic success story of any age...

0:00:09 > 0:00:12The Chinese economic miracle

0:00:12 > 0:00:14is the story of my generation

0:00:14 > 0:00:17and probably my children's generation as well.

0:00:17 > 0:00:19..the relentless rise of China.

0:00:20 > 0:00:24It's like some sort of mad programmer's vision of the future,

0:00:24 > 0:00:26all those flashing lights.

0:00:28 > 0:00:31Now, China's downturn and collapsing shares

0:00:31 > 0:00:34have caused global financial panic.

0:00:34 > 0:00:36FOGHORN BLARES

0:00:36 > 0:00:41But could China's economic woes be much worse than anyone's admitting?

0:00:42 > 0:00:46Another empty factory. Absolutely nothing going on here.

0:00:46 > 0:00:48The economy has been on a relentless

0:00:48 > 0:00:51and continuous slide in economic growth.

0:00:52 > 0:00:55There is no painless exit from this problem.

0:00:55 > 0:00:56CHEERING

0:00:56 > 0:01:01However, Britain is forging ever-closer links to China.

0:01:01 > 0:01:05It's supposedly a new golden age.

0:01:06 > 0:01:10Good business, or mad, bad and dangerous to our prosperity?

0:01:18 > 0:01:20I'm beginning to feel sick.

0:01:21 > 0:01:22No ears popping,

0:01:22 > 0:01:25just a sense of overwhelming nausea.

0:01:25 > 0:01:27'The Canton Tower - China's tallest.'

0:01:27 > 0:01:29Bloody hell!

0:01:29 > 0:01:31Ugh!

0:01:31 > 0:01:32'Almost a third of a mile high...'

0:01:32 > 0:01:34I don't like heights,

0:01:34 > 0:01:37and I certainly don't like this height.

0:01:38 > 0:01:41'..towering above the world's biggest metropolis.'

0:01:44 > 0:01:47Blimey, look at what the Chinese have achieved.

0:01:47 > 0:01:49One of its many megacities,

0:01:49 > 0:01:5340 million people living in relative prosperity

0:01:53 > 0:01:56where 20 years ago this was dirt-poor farmland.

0:02:00 > 0:02:04From poverty to the world's second biggest economy.

0:02:04 > 0:02:06CAR HORNS HONK

0:02:06 > 0:02:07What a transformation.

0:02:11 > 0:02:15New railways, airports, roads, skyscrapers.

0:02:15 > 0:02:17All built in a few short years.

0:02:19 > 0:02:23And China's growth has driven the world's - and ours.

0:02:30 > 0:02:32But the economic engine may be seizing up.

0:02:34 > 0:02:38In 2014, China's stock market began to soar.

0:02:42 > 0:02:46The Shanghai and Shenzhen stock exchanges hit record highs.

0:02:46 > 0:02:48It was the mother of all bull markets.

0:02:50 > 0:02:53Everyone wanted a piece of the action.

0:02:53 > 0:02:5690 million ordinary Chinese stormed in,

0:02:56 > 0:02:58including Zhu Qiushi.

0:03:00 > 0:03:02My colleagues, my friends,

0:03:02 > 0:03:05told me that, er, "OK, the index is getting

0:03:05 > 0:03:10"very, very good right now, and some stocks is getting, like, crazy."

0:03:12 > 0:03:16It seemed a one-way bet, underwritten by the government.

0:03:18 > 0:03:21The market was going up, people just started piling in.

0:03:21 > 0:03:23Fundamentally, it was all just about the idea that

0:03:23 > 0:03:26the Chinese government wanted the market to heat up

0:03:26 > 0:03:28and therefore they would never let it crash.

0:03:30 > 0:03:32But in fact, Beijing had lost control.

0:03:34 > 0:03:37People were buying stocks with borrowed money,

0:03:37 > 0:03:39provided by so-called "margin lenders."

0:03:41 > 0:03:45We actually had underground margin lenders that were created,

0:03:45 > 0:03:48that started feeding this, so they were outside

0:03:48 > 0:03:53the normal regulatory structure, and so they were off the radar screen.

0:03:53 > 0:03:56So you think the authorities weren't aware of these

0:03:56 > 0:03:58basically unofficial lenders?

0:03:58 > 0:04:02I don't think they had an idea of the magnitude

0:04:02 > 0:04:04of how important they had become at that point.

0:04:05 > 0:04:09- NEWSREADERS:- 'A financial earthquake in China - the stock market has...'

0:04:09 > 0:04:12'The main index in Shanghai closed today more than 8% down...'

0:04:12 > 0:04:17'Hundreds of billions of pounds are wiped off shares around the world...'

0:04:17 > 0:04:21June 2015. China's stock market crashed.

0:04:23 > 0:04:28We can see a big depression from June 8th,

0:04:28 > 0:04:32and then it's getting worse and getting worse, and here is the bottom.

0:04:32 > 0:04:38I lost half of my total one-year income in the stock market.

0:04:38 > 0:04:41Yeah, so it's horrible, it's, er...hard to imagine.

0:04:45 > 0:04:48For over 30 years, the Chinese government had seemed to have,

0:04:48 > 0:04:50well, an immaculate economic touch.

0:04:52 > 0:04:55But now, Beijing floundered.

0:04:56 > 0:04:58You would have contradictory policies

0:04:58 > 0:05:01released by different agencies on the same day.

0:05:01 > 0:05:04OK? And so they hadn't even bothered to pick up the phone

0:05:04 > 0:05:06and talk to each other, apparently.

0:05:06 > 0:05:11So this creates a lot of concern about who's running the show there,

0:05:11 > 0:05:13who's setting financial policy

0:05:13 > 0:05:16in really one of the world's most important economies.

0:05:16 > 0:05:19Since last summer, China's money markets

0:05:19 > 0:05:21have been dangerously volatile,

0:05:21 > 0:05:24spreading anxiety around the world.

0:05:26 > 0:05:28China's stock market boom and bust

0:05:28 > 0:05:32was eerily reminiscent of Wall Street's 1929 Crash,

0:05:32 > 0:05:35which ushered in economic devastation

0:05:35 > 0:05:37in much of the known world.

0:05:37 > 0:05:43So, the big question is - what does China's market crash foretell?

0:05:50 > 0:05:54China's government has sought to downplay the scale of the problem.

0:05:54 > 0:05:57Officially, the economy is growing at 6.9%.

0:05:57 > 0:05:59That's its slowest in 25 years,

0:05:59 > 0:06:02but still much faster than us in the West.

0:06:06 > 0:06:08But how true is that?

0:06:08 > 0:06:11Challenging the official version is not for the faint-hearted.

0:06:11 > 0:06:13Dozens of Chinese financial journalists

0:06:13 > 0:06:15have ended up in jail.

0:06:15 > 0:06:18And it can be hard for foreign journalists

0:06:18 > 0:06:21to get to the places that tell the whole story.

0:06:25 > 0:06:28I'm on my way to the bleak and frozen north-east,

0:06:28 > 0:06:30near the border with North Korea,

0:06:30 > 0:06:32a place seen by few foreigners.

0:06:41 > 0:06:44This is the city of Yingkou.

0:06:44 > 0:06:47During the boom times, it built on a mind-boggling scale.

0:06:50 > 0:06:54It spent around £7 billion on urban renewal -

0:06:54 > 0:06:56new housing, highways,

0:06:56 > 0:06:59even an Olympic-themed sports centre.

0:07:01 > 0:07:04All these buildings look completely deserted,

0:07:04 > 0:07:07goodness only knows why they built them.

0:07:07 > 0:07:10I can't see a single construction worker,

0:07:10 > 0:07:14despite the fact I can see endless half-finished buildings.

0:07:16 > 0:07:20Nothing much going on. At all.

0:07:20 > 0:07:22Nothing. No activity.

0:07:29 > 0:07:33Yingkou's new city is just one of hundreds in China lying empty.

0:07:35 > 0:07:37Ghost towns.

0:07:37 > 0:07:40Trillions of pounds of construction and investment

0:07:40 > 0:07:42kept China's economy growing,

0:07:42 > 0:07:46but far too much was built, and in the wrong places.

0:07:46 > 0:07:48Buildings like this one will never be finished,

0:07:48 > 0:07:50others will never be occupied,

0:07:50 > 0:07:53and those who financed them will lose a fortune.

0:07:56 > 0:07:59I spent an age trying to persuade anyone to discuss

0:07:59 > 0:08:00what's going on here.

0:08:02 > 0:08:04No-one would appear on camera.

0:08:05 > 0:08:08In fact, I'm seeing little evidence

0:08:08 > 0:08:09there's anyone here at all.

0:08:20 > 0:08:22So, back to the massive hotel -

0:08:22 > 0:08:25where I appear to be the only guest -

0:08:25 > 0:08:27for something of a lonely night in.

0:08:30 > 0:08:32FOGHORN BLARES

0:08:38 > 0:08:40The next day, it's off to Yingkou's port,

0:08:40 > 0:08:42one of China's biggest.

0:08:49 > 0:08:52A huge facility for unloading raw materials,

0:08:52 > 0:08:54but there's almost nothing going on,

0:08:54 > 0:08:58because heavy industry and construction are in trouble.

0:09:03 > 0:09:06The stereotypical china we recognise are huge container ports

0:09:06 > 0:09:11sucking in materials, spewing out exports.

0:09:11 > 0:09:15But trade here and everywhere in China ain't what it was.

0:09:15 > 0:09:18And here, there's a serious recession.

0:09:20 > 0:09:24Now, officially, the economy in this area is growing at 3% a year -

0:09:24 > 0:09:26faster than Britain.

0:09:27 > 0:09:30But to be frank, that's inconceivable.

0:09:31 > 0:09:37Times are really hard, I mean, exports which have powered

0:09:37 > 0:09:40the Chinese economy for many, many years

0:09:40 > 0:09:43actually, are down, year over year.

0:09:43 > 0:09:47The economy has been on a one-way street, really,

0:09:47 > 0:09:50a relentless and continuous slide in economic growth.

0:09:58 > 0:10:02For the region's thousands of small private steel companies

0:10:02 > 0:10:04and their workers, it's agony.

0:10:05 > 0:10:07Foundries in rust and ruin.

0:10:10 > 0:10:14So the downturn has already had a very severe effect.

0:10:14 > 0:10:17I'm in a seemingly bustling town with factories on both sides

0:10:17 > 0:10:22of the road, but almost all of them are deserted, closed down.

0:10:28 > 0:10:31It's a bit miserable. Another empty factory.

0:10:31 > 0:10:34Absolutely nothing going on here.

0:10:34 > 0:10:35Just weeds growing.

0:10:41 > 0:10:45For the people, desperate times. No work.

0:10:45 > 0:10:48Ni hao, thank you so much for doing this, it's so kind of you.

0:10:48 > 0:10:50'And just talking about what's going wrong

0:10:50 > 0:10:52'can land you in deep trouble.

0:10:53 > 0:10:56'But one brave laid-off steelworker took the risk.'

0:11:10 > 0:11:12In this area, are there a ny businesses

0:11:12 > 0:11:14being created at the moment?

0:11:21 > 0:11:22HE CHUCKLES

0:11:22 > 0:11:26Are you being helped at all? Are you getting any training?

0:11:34 > 0:11:36DOG BARKS

0:11:36 > 0:11:39Most of China's workers get no unemployment benefits,

0:11:39 > 0:11:42or any help finding work.

0:11:42 > 0:11:44They have to scratch a living where they can.

0:11:52 > 0:11:53LAUGHING:

0:12:04 > 0:12:06'Any attempt by the government to create new jobs here

0:12:06 > 0:12:08'doesn't seem to be working.

0:12:09 > 0:12:12'So no surprise, perhaps, that China

0:12:12 > 0:12:16'doesn't publish unemployment rates for places like this.

0:12:17 > 0:12:20'China's rust belt looks poisoned, ruined.'

0:12:30 > 0:12:34But there ARE businesses providing employment to millions.

0:12:34 > 0:12:37Industrial goliaths owned by the government -

0:12:37 > 0:12:40the so-called state-owned enterprises.

0:12:40 > 0:12:44They collectively employ as many people as live in Britain.

0:12:46 > 0:12:50And their vast production lines made the stuff that rebuilt this country.

0:12:53 > 0:12:56But many are now in deep trouble.

0:12:57 > 0:13:00The term that analysts like to use

0:13:00 > 0:13:02is a very technical term -

0:13:02 > 0:13:06zombie companies, where they are not really

0:13:06 > 0:13:09living, thriving companies that are making money,

0:13:09 > 0:13:11but they're not companies

0:13:11 > 0:13:14that get a stake through the heart and disappear.

0:13:14 > 0:13:18Despite a collapse in demand, the zombies are remorselessly

0:13:18 > 0:13:20producing more and more -

0:13:20 > 0:13:22far more than the world could ever need.

0:13:24 > 0:13:26So their losses are escalating,

0:13:26 > 0:13:29as are colossal, potentially toxic debts.

0:13:31 > 0:13:34They employ a lot of people,

0:13:34 > 0:13:37they have the lion's share of capital invested,

0:13:37 > 0:13:40and they're very inefficient, and they don't make a lot of money now,

0:13:40 > 0:13:42and they're a drag on the economy.

0:13:44 > 0:13:48State enterprises have picked up, accumulated huge amounts of debt,

0:13:48 > 0:13:51and actually have to keep borrowing money now

0:13:51 > 0:13:55to pay interest in principle on the loans they already have.

0:13:55 > 0:13:58The government talks of putting these living-dead companies

0:13:58 > 0:13:59out of their misery,

0:13:59 > 0:14:02but so far, it's mostly just talk.

0:14:04 > 0:14:07Beijing is painfully aware that its state-owned manufacturers

0:14:07 > 0:14:10expanded too far and too fast,

0:14:10 > 0:14:12and that many are generating big losses,

0:14:12 > 0:14:14adding to the country's excessive debts.

0:14:14 > 0:14:17But fixing them is politically impossible,

0:14:17 > 0:14:20because it would involve sacking millions of workers.

0:14:22 > 0:14:27Huge loss-making zombie companies, a stock market bubble,

0:14:27 > 0:14:29the biggest building binge in history.

0:14:31 > 0:14:34China has been on a frenetic spending spree,

0:14:34 > 0:14:37but it was financed with borrowed money.

0:14:38 > 0:14:42So the increase in its debts has been terrifyingly big.

0:14:42 > 0:14:47They've grown faster than what led to our great crash in 2008.

0:14:51 > 0:14:54And still China's debt mountain is expanding...

0:14:56 > 0:14:58..faster than its economy.

0:14:59 > 0:15:03We have one of the biggest debt bubbles the world has ever seen.

0:15:03 > 0:15:05We continue to add two-and-a-half to three trillion

0:15:05 > 0:15:07to that number every year.

0:15:07 > 0:15:11That is weighing on growth, and until we deal with this problem,

0:15:11 > 0:15:12that's going to continue.

0:15:14 > 0:15:17Senior Chinese officials are usually reluctant to discuss

0:15:17 > 0:15:19what's gone wrong.

0:15:19 > 0:15:21But I had the privilege of meeting

0:15:21 > 0:15:25a top economic policymaker who was unusually candid.

0:15:26 > 0:15:29I cannot rule out the possibility

0:15:29 > 0:15:32that some of the investments were not very efficient.

0:15:32 > 0:15:35But overall, I would say the investments,

0:15:35 > 0:15:38in infrastructure particularly, in the hinterland provinces,

0:15:38 > 0:15:41would have been necessary. OK.

0:15:41 > 0:15:44Some of this may lay idle for a number of years,

0:15:44 > 0:15:50but eventually they would, er, be contributing to the local economy.

0:15:50 > 0:15:53You get this massive explosion in the indebtedness of China,

0:15:53 > 0:15:56and that debt is still rising.

0:15:56 > 0:16:01How does China manage the transition without becoming

0:16:01 > 0:16:04too indebted in a very dangerous way?

0:16:04 > 0:16:06HE EXHALES

0:16:06 > 0:16:08Let me put it this way.

0:16:08 > 0:16:13We should focus on the way Chinese economy is moving from

0:16:13 > 0:16:16the older model, which has served China's needs very well

0:16:16 > 0:16:19over the last three decades,

0:16:19 > 0:16:24to a new model which would fit into the 21st century.

0:16:30 > 0:16:34As ever, the Chinese government has a plan.

0:16:35 > 0:16:38It's called "the great rebalancing."

0:16:40 > 0:16:42And maybe it's working here,

0:16:42 > 0:16:44in the booming tropical south.

0:16:45 > 0:16:48I've come to Guangdong province -

0:16:48 > 0:16:53the richest, most populous and most entrepreneurial part of China.

0:16:58 > 0:17:01The government wants Guangdong's two million private companies

0:17:01 > 0:17:04to lead the rebalancing

0:17:04 > 0:17:09by switching from cheap mass-market manufacturing

0:17:09 > 0:17:12to making higher-quality products and proper international brands.

0:17:14 > 0:17:17China's biggest lighting company, NVC, is one of them

0:17:17 > 0:17:20that's taking up Beijing's challenge.

0:17:39 > 0:17:41This is what it's all about -

0:17:41 > 0:17:45a hi-tech, advanced LED lighting production line.

0:17:46 > 0:17:49In response to the slowdown, Chinese companies

0:17:49 > 0:17:53are doing what all good businesses do, which is to invest

0:17:53 > 0:17:55in better, more sophisticated products

0:17:55 > 0:17:57and higher-tech manufacturing.

0:17:59 > 0:18:03NVC now employs 500 workers in research and development.

0:18:05 > 0:18:07As it expands abroad, it'll challenge

0:18:07 > 0:18:09our advanced manufacturers.

0:18:11 > 0:18:15Which is pretty scary news for us, although just what China needs.

0:18:22 > 0:18:25But China doesn't just have to produce more upmarket stuff -

0:18:25 > 0:18:28Chinese people have to spend more.

0:18:31 > 0:18:37China has to shift away from its reliance on investment-led growth,

0:18:37 > 0:18:41and it needs to prioritise households, consumers.

0:18:43 > 0:18:47To become more like us - and really love shopping.

0:18:47 > 0:18:50I always find these Chinese markets somewhat bewildering -

0:18:50 > 0:18:52there's so much choice.

0:18:53 > 0:18:57What we've got here is corn on the cob wars -

0:18:57 > 0:19:00they are queuing on two sides of the road

0:19:00 > 0:19:04to buy this particular delicacy - corn on the cob dipped in batter.

0:19:06 > 0:19:09So I asked for spicy, and actually he did give that to me,

0:19:09 > 0:19:13even though I didn't really think he understood what I was saying.

0:19:13 > 0:19:16So here it is, first mouthwatering deep-fried corn on the cob

0:19:16 > 0:19:18of my life.

0:19:20 > 0:19:22MEN SHOUT IN BACKGROUND

0:19:22 > 0:19:24Mm. Yummy.

0:19:25 > 0:19:28So all this is supposed to refuel China's economy.

0:19:31 > 0:19:34But it isn't working.

0:19:35 > 0:19:39So we've got all the trappings of a consumer society,

0:19:39 > 0:19:42loads of young people out having fun, some of them spending.

0:19:42 > 0:19:45But they're not spending enough to prevent

0:19:45 > 0:19:49the economy from slowing down dangerously.

0:19:52 > 0:19:56I don't think China's economy would be crashing down.

0:19:56 > 0:20:00It is not realistic to expect an emerging market economy

0:20:00 > 0:20:05to sustain its fast growth over a decade, two decades,

0:20:05 > 0:20:07three decades - it's not realistic.

0:20:07 > 0:20:11Slowing down is inevitable, but I am sure

0:20:11 > 0:20:14the Chinese government is doing something proper

0:20:14 > 0:20:16to deal with this new pressure.

0:20:19 > 0:20:23The stakes for the government couldn't be higher.

0:20:23 > 0:20:28Even in rich Guangdong, factories are now closing...

0:20:28 > 0:20:31leaving workers out of a job and owed their salaries.

0:20:33 > 0:20:35But workers aren't taking this lying down.

0:20:37 > 0:20:40Over the past year, the number of strikes has doubled.

0:20:42 > 0:20:46The police often get involved. Labour activists have been arrested.

0:20:47 > 0:20:50I'm meeting an activist prepared to take the risk

0:20:50 > 0:20:52of telling the world what's happening.

0:20:52 > 0:20:56He took me on a tour of one of the more troubled factory districts.

0:21:10 > 0:21:14How many factories that you've come across have gone bankrupt?

0:21:19 > 0:21:23Zhang Zhiru helps pressurise bosses to pay workers their due,

0:21:23 > 0:21:26through public protests and strikes.

0:22:01 > 0:22:04Yet again, what's going on seems much worse

0:22:04 > 0:22:07than the authorities will admit.

0:22:07 > 0:22:11Because the big concern for China's Communist Party is that

0:22:11 > 0:22:14social unrest could shake its grip on power.

0:22:16 > 0:22:19To be honest, it's not something that people talk about

0:22:19 > 0:22:21very much, because it's so sensitive.

0:22:21 > 0:22:24I don't know that the Chinese population will accept

0:22:24 > 0:22:28years of slow or negative GDP growth.

0:22:28 > 0:22:31There has to be some sort of

0:22:31 > 0:22:34social and political stability consequences of that.

0:22:34 > 0:22:38I personally think there is no painless exit from this problem.

0:22:42 > 0:22:47If it's scary for the Chinese, what does China's slowdown mean

0:22:47 > 0:22:52for the world and for us here in Britain?

0:22:52 > 0:22:56You're likely looking at a prolonged slowdown

0:22:56 > 0:23:00in international trade, and that's especially true for

0:23:00 > 0:23:03a lot of the trading countries of Europe,

0:23:03 > 0:23:05whether it's Germany, the UK...

0:23:05 > 0:23:07And that's also going to be true

0:23:07 > 0:23:11of a lot of the commodity producers in Africa and places like Australia.

0:23:11 > 0:23:13It's incredibly serious.

0:23:13 > 0:23:15It means lower Chinese demand

0:23:15 > 0:23:19for all sorts of things, it also means less Chinese investment

0:23:19 > 0:23:24and less money flowing into the rest of the world economy,

0:23:24 > 0:23:26so I think it's incredibly negative,

0:23:26 > 0:23:29but it's going to remain a protracted process.

0:23:32 > 0:23:34Shrinking global trade,

0:23:34 > 0:23:36slower global growth,

0:23:36 > 0:23:40fewer opportunities for British exporters.

0:23:40 > 0:23:44And it's worse than that for the UK's most prominent industry -

0:23:44 > 0:23:46our banks.

0:23:46 > 0:23:50'There are two huge British banks - HSBC and Standard Chartered -

0:23:50 > 0:23:53'whose fates are more closely tied

0:23:53 > 0:23:56'to China than almost any other bank.'

0:23:57 > 0:24:00What is the scale of Standard Chartered's exposure, what is the

0:24:00 > 0:24:03scale of the lending that Standard Chartered has done in China?

0:24:03 > 0:24:06Yeah. Well, we have a very big business in China.

0:24:06 > 0:24:08Billions, tens of billions?

0:24:08 > 0:24:10Yeah, we have tens of billions so the bulk of our exposure,

0:24:10 > 0:24:13the bulk of our lending in China is very short-term,

0:24:13 > 0:24:16and it's to facilitate trade through the Chinese banks.

0:24:16 > 0:24:19So if everything went very badly wrong in China,

0:24:19 > 0:24:20there would be losses.

0:24:20 > 0:24:22Oh, of course, yeah, and we have losses today.

0:24:22 > 0:24:26Where we're feeling it most acutely already is in commodity prices.

0:24:26 > 0:24:29And that's a big structural shift, because of course

0:24:29 > 0:24:32the world built the capacity to feed the beast

0:24:32 > 0:24:35in terms of Chinese property expansion

0:24:35 > 0:24:37and machinery expansion,

0:24:37 > 0:24:40and that's now slowing down. So that's already happened.

0:24:40 > 0:24:43Of course, it could get worse, I mean, markets are markets.

0:24:45 > 0:24:49Standard Chartered, and even bigger HSBC,

0:24:49 > 0:24:52say they're strong enough to weather all but the most extreme

0:24:52 > 0:24:54shock from China.

0:24:55 > 0:24:57They have cut back lending, but still see opportunities

0:24:57 > 0:25:01to make profits by focusing on consumers and private businesses.

0:25:06 > 0:25:09TRUMPET FANFARE AND CHEERING

0:25:11 > 0:25:14But if our banks are now a bit more cautious about China,

0:25:14 > 0:25:17not so the UK government.

0:25:20 > 0:25:23Mr President, we have much reason to celebrate

0:25:23 > 0:25:26the dynamic, growing economic relationship

0:25:26 > 0:25:28between our countries.

0:25:29 > 0:25:31The Chinese economic miracle

0:25:31 > 0:25:33is the story of my generation

0:25:33 > 0:25:36and probably my children's generation as well.

0:25:36 > 0:25:39That economy's growing, it's creating jobs,

0:25:39 > 0:25:41I want Britain to be part of it. and I think if we cut ourselves off

0:25:41 > 0:25:44from China, we're essentially cutting ourselves off

0:25:44 > 0:25:45from the future.

0:25:45 > 0:25:49The Chancellor has hailed a new golden age

0:25:49 > 0:25:53for China-Britain relations.

0:25:53 > 0:25:56More Chinese investment in Britain,

0:25:56 > 0:26:00more opportunities for British businesses in China.

0:26:00 > 0:26:03The City of London is on a major drive to become

0:26:03 > 0:26:07the leading international centre for trading the Chinese currency

0:26:07 > 0:26:09and Chinese debts.

0:26:09 > 0:26:15Good business, or mad, bad and dangerous to our prosperity?

0:26:15 > 0:26:17Well, perhaps both.

0:26:17 > 0:26:20There will be good business for the City from opening up

0:26:20 > 0:26:22China's financial system,

0:26:22 > 0:26:25but deepening the UK's links to a country

0:26:25 > 0:26:29still undergoing the biggest borrowing binge in history

0:26:29 > 0:26:31is, well...risky.

0:26:32 > 0:26:35Because if China becomes more connected to us

0:26:35 > 0:26:38before its economy stabilises,

0:26:38 > 0:26:40well then, its bust would be our bust.

0:26:42 > 0:26:46Isn't there a risk, though, that if there is a great Chinese shock,

0:26:46 > 0:26:50that all we're doing is making ourselves

0:26:50 > 0:26:52more vulnerable to that shock?

0:26:52 > 0:26:54You know, there's no good claiming that London's going to be

0:26:54 > 0:26:57the centre of global finance if you're not engaged

0:26:57 > 0:27:01in trading with China and dealing with China's currency.

0:27:01 > 0:27:05We've also got very good regulators and a tough system in

0:27:05 > 0:27:08the Bank of England that make sure we're constantly checking

0:27:08 > 0:27:13that we have got our house in order, we've got our economy secure.

0:27:15 > 0:27:18The Chancellor points to Chinese promises of putting big money

0:27:18 > 0:27:21into Britain to show that his golden age is real.

0:27:22 > 0:27:24But the closer we stand to China,

0:27:24 > 0:27:26the more we'll feel the shocks

0:27:26 > 0:27:28as good times turn bad.

0:27:30 > 0:27:33I think it is a dangerous phenomenon, I mean,

0:27:33 > 0:27:37I do think what is happening is that we've got a lot of governments

0:27:37 > 0:27:40around the world that buy into the same story

0:27:40 > 0:27:42that the Chinese government does,

0:27:42 > 0:27:44which is that they can grow out of this problem.

0:27:44 > 0:27:47Well, look, China has big economic challenges, but from what

0:27:47 > 0:27:50I can see they're, A - aware of these problems, and they are

0:27:50 > 0:27:51throwing a lot at it.

0:27:51 > 0:27:54And don't underestimate the amount of economic firepower

0:27:54 > 0:27:57that the Chinese authorities can throw at their problem.

0:27:58 > 0:28:01Beijing engineered prosperity for its people

0:28:01 > 0:28:04on a scale no-one thought possible.

0:28:04 > 0:28:08Can it now manage the slowdown and avoid disaster?

0:28:11 > 0:28:15China has enjoyed the longest, strongest boom

0:28:15 > 0:28:18of any important country in history.

0:28:18 > 0:28:22But what goes up inevitably comes down.

0:28:22 > 0:28:25And here's what matters to them and to us.

0:28:25 > 0:28:30The sooner the day of reckoning, the sooner its debts stop increasing

0:28:30 > 0:28:32in a dangerous way,

0:28:32 > 0:28:36the less calamitous that day of reckoning will be.