0:00:22 > 0:00:26Long car journeys with the family. We've all been here.
0:00:29 > 0:00:34This is the story of four different trips made by four very different families.
0:00:37 > 0:00:41I cannae wait for it. I'm so excited.
0:00:41 > 0:00:45The Hennesseys are off to the Stan Laurel museum in Cumbria
0:00:45 > 0:00:47to celebrate eldest son Liam's 16th birthday.
0:00:47 > 0:00:49Is this a good birthday present?
0:00:49 > 0:00:53It is, it's a brilliant birthday present, Daddy.
0:00:53 > 0:00:58The Kimptons, who've been married nearly 30 years, are taking their annual holiday on a canal boat.
0:00:59 > 0:01:01What made you want to go on a canal boat?
0:01:01 > 0:01:04- I've just always wanted to do it. - You've always wanted to do it?- Yeah.
0:01:06 > 0:01:12Josh, Daniel and Nathan are making an important trip to the Isle of Wight with their dad, Kerry.
0:01:12 > 0:01:18Once we've scattered the ashes, there'll be one less thing to worry about doing.
0:01:18 > 0:01:22Isn't that the main thing we need to do on the Isle of Wight?
0:01:22 > 0:01:28Yeah, it's the most important thing we've got to do. We'll do it early so we're not thinking about it.
0:01:28 > 0:01:31We've been thinking about it for such a long time now.
0:01:34 > 0:01:41And Ian and his sister Alison are on their way to the Visitors' Centre at Leeds Prison.
0:01:41 > 0:01:43We're definitely a lot closer now.
0:01:43 > 0:01:44This has brought us a lot closer together.
0:01:44 > 0:01:50Now that Mum's gone, it seems quite a coincidence that something else
0:01:50 > 0:01:54- has brought us together and will keep us together.- Yeah.
0:01:54 > 0:01:59Strange things happen, don't they? I always say some things happen for a reason.
0:01:59 > 0:02:01Yeah.
0:02:10 > 0:02:13Dad's only cooked the easy things and Mum's cooked the hard things.
0:02:13 > 0:02:17- Yeah.- Well, that's a man's job.
0:02:17 > 0:02:21- The easy things. To be lazy. - Exactly.
0:02:23 > 0:02:26It's just over a year since Kerry's sons moved in with him
0:02:26 > 0:02:30and this is the first big summer trip they've taken since then.
0:02:30 > 0:02:32A family...
0:02:32 > 0:02:38People...that are related to you?
0:02:38 > 0:02:40Is family doing things together and being together?
0:02:40 > 0:02:42Oh, yeah.
0:02:42 > 0:02:45- Like on The Simpsons?- Yeah.
0:02:45 > 0:02:50- Are we the Simpsons? D'oh! - D'oh! Ronal-d'oh!
0:02:57 > 0:03:01Do you think that maybe sometimes you're overprotective of Liam?
0:03:01 > 0:03:05- Definitely. No, I really am. - Why do you think that is?
0:03:05 > 0:03:11I think it's just because of, you know, his condition, like with Asperger's and that.
0:03:11 > 0:03:15- It's just...- Hard.- It is hard. It's just hard to sort of let go.
0:03:15 > 0:03:19I still think of him as this little boy and want to do everything for him.
0:03:19 > 0:03:23For Liam's dad, this is trip is more than a Laurel and Hardy pilgrimage.
0:03:23 > 0:03:29It's also about his eldest son growing up and a chance to encourage the family to think about that.
0:03:29 > 0:03:33I think for Liam to be more independent is everything.
0:03:33 > 0:03:37- I know.- He's not going to be with us forever.
0:03:37 > 0:03:39He's going to want to venture out.
0:03:39 > 0:03:46I think it's everything for him to be independent, do things on his own, go places that he wants to go to.
0:03:46 > 0:03:48We can't take him places forever.
0:03:48 > 0:03:51- I want him to be with us forever, though.- But...- I know.
0:03:51 > 0:03:54He's got to be his own individual.
0:03:54 > 0:03:58He's got to do it on his own, and I'd love to see him doing it on his own.
0:03:58 > 0:04:01I think it's very important.
0:04:01 > 0:04:07It is, but it's just that letting go. Just... You know what I mean?
0:04:07 > 0:04:08You don't...
0:04:21 > 0:04:24Why did you marry me?
0:04:24 > 0:04:29I must have felt good when I was with you, that was why.
0:04:29 > 0:04:31I mean, that must be it.
0:04:31 > 0:04:35You wouldn't want to marry somebody that you don't like being with.
0:04:35 > 0:04:40- What was it like compared to other girlfriends at the time? Do you remember that?- Um...
0:04:44 > 0:04:50Well, I know you treated me more nicely than, I think, all the other girlfriends I could remember.
0:04:50 > 0:04:54- But then you didn't treat them very nicely, either.- No, maybe not.
0:04:54 > 0:04:57The first person that cared, anyway.
0:04:57 > 0:05:02- Oh, really? Is that the only reason you married me, cos I was the first person who cared?- No, no.
0:05:02 > 0:05:06Cor blimey, after all these years, what I've just found out.
0:05:06 > 0:05:12What attracts people is things that they don't know about. I think it was our lack of self-esteem.
0:05:12 > 0:05:15I reckon that was the common factor.
0:05:15 > 0:05:22No, I think on the surface level, it was probably that I was a quiet person, you were very loud.
0:05:23 > 0:05:29You weren't attracted to loud people, you were embarrassed, so why would you have been interested in me?
0:05:34 > 0:05:37- You don't know?- No.
0:05:37 > 0:05:39See, it doesn't make sense from that level because
0:05:39 > 0:05:43you hated anyone putting their arm around you in public.
0:05:43 > 0:05:45So you chose exactly the wrong person.
0:05:45 > 0:05:49So it must have been something hidden. Maybe you thought you needed to be brought out of it.
0:05:49 > 0:05:54I think you needed to be brought out of yourself and you saw someone who could do that.
0:05:54 > 0:05:57I think it's the lack of self-esteem.
0:05:59 > 0:06:02Things never turn out as you quite expect, do they?
0:06:09 > 0:06:10Would you like to get married, Liam?
0:06:10 > 0:06:15- No.- Why?!- I just don't want to get married. I don't want to have any kids.
0:06:15 > 0:06:17What did you tell me was your ideal girl?
0:06:17 > 0:06:20I was stupid and younger back then.
0:06:20 > 0:06:26I don't want a wife cos some wives kind of nag you sometimes.
0:06:26 > 0:06:28You've been watching.
0:06:28 > 0:06:31They kind of hold you down.
0:06:31 > 0:06:33If you did want one, what would your wife look like?
0:06:33 > 0:06:37Someone that likes Doctor Who, someone that likes Coronation Street...
0:06:37 > 0:06:43- Who has to have autism?- No!- Lewis, will you stop saying that, please.
0:06:48 > 0:06:51Everybody... I don't know Asperger's - can you tell me?
0:06:51 > 0:06:54Go on, then.
0:06:54 > 0:06:57Well, I don't really know. It's something that children get.
0:06:57 > 0:06:59It's a lot of boys get it, not girls.
0:06:59 > 0:07:02You know, like, Liam sometimes has problems...
0:07:02 > 0:07:04- Reading.- That's one of them.
0:07:04 > 0:07:06Socialising.
0:07:06 > 0:07:10And there's the other thing. I'm brilliant at making friends,
0:07:10 > 0:07:13but there's another thing that I'm like...
0:07:13 > 0:07:15I can't control my temper.
0:07:23 > 0:07:30- When you get married to someone, if you love them and you want to spend your life with them...- Yeah.
0:07:30 > 0:07:31Start a family.
0:07:31 > 0:07:34I wonder who invented that?
0:07:34 > 0:07:37Well, it's the natural thing, isn't it, falling in love?
0:07:37 > 0:07:41Yeah, it's a natural thing, but I wonder who created weddings.
0:07:41 > 0:07:42It's probably Adam and Eve.
0:07:42 > 0:07:44- Adam and Eve?- Yeah.
0:07:44 > 0:07:46Did they have a wedding, then?
0:07:46 > 0:07:50A wedding with insects.
0:07:50 > 0:07:54Actually, it might have been the Greek idea.
0:07:57 > 0:08:00- Do you think you'll ever get married?- No.
0:08:00 > 0:08:02I don't know.
0:08:02 > 0:08:06- No.- It's the future.- Are you?
0:08:06 > 0:08:08Don't know. You don't know, do you?
0:08:08 > 0:08:14Well, when I was your age, I never wanted to get married, until I met Mum.
0:08:14 > 0:08:17How long were you together?
0:08:17 > 0:08:2130 something years, wasn't it?
0:08:21 > 0:08:24- No! How old do you think I am?- 100.
0:08:24 > 0:08:28- It was about ten years.- Ten?- Yeah.
0:08:31 > 0:08:39Me and their mum were arguing a lot and we tried sorting things out, but it didn't work.
0:08:40 > 0:08:42We decided that I would move out.
0:08:42 > 0:08:48It was a mutual agreement between me and Mummy.
0:08:48 > 0:08:56Apparently, one night, Dad walked out, I think it was, didn't you?
0:08:57 > 0:09:00You got up, Josh, didn't you?
0:09:00 > 0:09:02Oh, yeah. I heard you arguing.
0:09:02 > 0:09:06The suitcase was at the bottom of the stairs and I pulled it up and put it under my bed.
0:09:06 > 0:09:10- Did he?- Yeah,
0:09:10 > 0:09:12and Dad was looking for it.
0:09:12 > 0:09:14Did he, Dad?
0:09:14 > 0:09:15Probably, yeah.
0:09:15 > 0:09:19I try and forget that night.
0:09:19 > 0:09:22It weren't one of the better days of my life, I must admit.
0:09:22 > 0:09:24Yeah. I can imagine.
0:09:29 > 0:09:31It was very hard.
0:09:31 > 0:09:38Going from seeing them every day to seeing them every two weeks, it's a big change.
0:09:38 > 0:09:43- We spoke to you in the week, though, didn't we?- Oh, yeah.- Wednesdays.
0:09:43 > 0:09:46Mummy wanted you to stay with her.
0:09:46 > 0:09:51- It's the best place to be with Mummy cos I was working full-time.- Yeah.
0:09:51 > 0:09:56So you stayed in your own house, didn't you, rather than moving?
0:10:00 > 0:10:02You used to have good fun with Mum, didn't you?
0:10:02 > 0:10:06- When I used to phone up, you were always laughing with her.- Yeah.
0:10:06 > 0:10:08On the Isle of Wight.
0:10:08 > 0:10:14- Were you taking the mickey out of me or something? - Yeah. That was good fun.
0:10:14 > 0:10:17Yeah, I'll bet. She was a good mum.
0:10:17 > 0:10:19She looked after you well.
0:10:19 > 0:10:25- Dad? Don't tell me off, yeah, but shall I tell you the start of one of Mum's favourite songs?- What?
0:10:25 > 0:10:30# I guess I just lost my husband I dunno where he went... #
0:10:30 > 0:10:32Did she?
0:10:32 > 0:10:37- Yeah, that's the start of the song. - Oh, it's Pink, So What.- Yeah.
0:10:49 > 0:10:52I can remember, we were actually in the bedroom of the flat at Radlett
0:10:52 > 0:10:56and I said, "I need to talk to you about something." Didn't I?
0:10:56 > 0:11:00I said, "I don't want children," didn't I?
0:11:00 > 0:11:07Changed my mind, and I said if you wanted to cancel getting married and go off, you were free to do so.
0:11:07 > 0:11:10Hmm.
0:11:10 > 0:11:14I don't think I consciously worried about mental illness in the family.
0:11:14 > 0:11:20Because I hated my mum and hated myself, I'd have hated my own child.
0:11:22 > 0:11:25How could they be nice when I was horrible? That kind of thing.
0:11:25 > 0:11:30Although I know now that that's not the case,
0:11:30 > 0:11:35I can't get rid of that feeling that any child of mine would have been horrible.
0:11:35 > 0:11:38There is a drive inside people to have a children.
0:11:38 > 0:11:43A very dangerous drive, if you ask me. I mean, there are
0:11:43 > 0:11:49all sorts of reasons for people wanting children - some of them good, some of them not so good.
0:11:49 > 0:11:56But whatever the drive is, it's something that's in us genetically, I think, and it needs to die away.
0:12:04 > 0:12:09- Why do you think parents have children?- To be happy.
0:12:09 > 0:12:14So they can have a fully functional kind of family.
0:12:14 > 0:12:17It's, like, to complete themselves.
0:12:17 > 0:12:21You can be married and you can have your own house,
0:12:21 > 0:12:26but without children, you're never a real family.
0:12:26 > 0:12:33You really wanted the kids, didn't you? I was quite happy on my own,
0:12:33 > 0:12:36just to be the two of us.
0:12:36 > 0:12:40I never wanted it just to be the two of us.
0:12:40 > 0:12:41Just to be the two of us.
0:12:41 > 0:12:44- Hey!- I was quite happy. Then Liam came along and...
0:12:44 > 0:12:48- Brightened up our lives. - And we felt he needed a brother.
0:12:48 > 0:12:50You didn't want to have any more even after Liam.
0:12:50 > 0:12:55- What? So you didn't want me? - Course we wanted you.
0:12:55 > 0:13:00- You twisted my arm. - How could I twist it a third time?
0:13:00 > 0:13:02Would you like a little daughter?
0:13:02 > 0:13:05I'd love that. Too late now.
0:13:05 > 0:13:08- No, it's not too late. - It is too late.
0:13:08 > 0:13:11When we get back to the house, maybe you two can have a snuggle
0:13:11 > 0:13:17- and then maybe you can do that thing where you have the babies.- Shhh!
0:13:17 > 0:13:20You can have some sexy privacy time.
0:13:20 > 0:13:24You two do the thing where you get the babies and they come out of woman's...you know.
0:13:24 > 0:13:26Lewis, that's enough.
0:13:26 > 0:13:27- Then you make the daughter. - (Shut up.)
0:13:36 > 0:13:38I wouldn't have allowed myself to have a child back then.
0:13:38 > 0:13:43It didn't make any difference. I didn't want a child coming out of me.
0:13:44 > 0:13:47How did you feel when I said that?
0:13:47 > 0:13:50I probably assumed you would change your mind at some point.
0:13:50 > 0:13:56You assumed I would change my mind? You cheeky devil. How dare you assume I would change my mind!
0:13:56 > 0:13:59I changed my mind rather too late, though, didn't I?
0:13:59 > 0:14:03And then we discovered it wasn't going to be that easy.
0:14:03 > 0:14:06I was 36 at the time.
0:14:06 > 0:14:09Ten years of trying.
0:14:09 > 0:14:15I'd got to the point of, you know, we were going to have a life without children.
0:14:15 > 0:14:23And then at work, somebody that I was friends with had taken what seemed to be
0:14:23 > 0:14:28a very long holiday and I asked one of the other colleagues, where was Ian?
0:14:28 > 0:14:32He said, "He and Liz have gone to the US to adopt a baby."
0:14:32 > 0:14:35I'd no idea that you could adopt a child from another country.
0:14:35 > 0:14:39- Especially not a baby.- No. No.
0:14:44 > 0:14:49You know, darling, we're really very lucky to have you.
0:14:49 > 0:14:51You're a very special child.
0:14:51 > 0:14:56All our friends would happily look after you for an afternoon.
0:14:56 > 0:15:01A couple of them have said you're a peacemaker, you resolve problems.
0:15:01 > 0:15:04You've just got such a wonderful personality.
0:15:04 > 0:15:10I'm always surprised when you go shy occasionally, but generally, you're a very confident person.
0:15:10 > 0:15:14You're just a lovely person.
0:15:18 > 0:15:21That episode of where Laurel and Hardy were being chased
0:15:21 > 0:15:24by the policemen and they went into Colonel Buckshot's.
0:15:24 > 0:15:26Yes, and all of them became Captain Buckshot.
0:15:26 > 0:15:30- Colonel Buckshot.- Colonel Buckshot.
0:15:30 > 0:15:34When the woman asked him, "Tell me, Agnes, how many rooms are there?"
0:15:34 > 0:15:38"There is mine and the master's and the master's and mine, that is four."
0:15:41 > 0:15:44And then she goes, "Oh, no, I'm still nervous."
0:15:44 > 0:15:46So you can see how many times we've watched it.
0:15:46 > 0:15:50I know! Loads. Yous watch the same ones over.
0:15:50 > 0:15:52What was the first film they were in, Liam, together?
0:15:52 > 0:15:55Em...Lucky Dog.
0:15:55 > 0:15:58- Was that a silent? - Yeah, it was a silent, Lucky Dog.
0:15:58 > 0:16:02Stan played a scene with an actor whose name was Dave Hardy, but it would be nine years
0:16:02 > 0:16:08before Stan and Dave would get together again as Laurel and Hardy.
0:16:08 > 0:16:10How do you remember all this stuff, Liam?
0:16:10 > 0:16:16Because I take it in, I listen to it, because, you see, I pay attention.
0:16:16 > 0:16:19Believe it or not, I do, I pay attention to things.
0:16:26 > 0:16:29Well, you'll never forget your mum, will you?
0:16:29 > 0:16:31No.
0:16:31 > 0:16:35You know when I didn't talk about it for quite a while?
0:16:35 > 0:16:36I forgot her voice.
0:16:36 > 0:16:40Did you?
0:16:40 > 0:16:42- You forgot Mummy's voice?- Yeah.
0:16:42 > 0:16:47She used to burn our food, yeah, that was funny.
0:16:47 > 0:16:53- Burn your food!- Oh, when she used to catch the biggest crabs. - Oh, yeah, then drop them.
0:16:58 > 0:17:00Do you blame anyone for Mummy dying?
0:17:00 > 0:17:03- Me?- All of you?
0:17:03 > 0:17:04- No.- It was just cancer.
0:17:08 > 0:17:12No, everyone we know near enough dies of liver cancer, don't they?
0:17:14 > 0:17:17I think cancer is like
0:17:17 > 0:17:19lots of little people
0:17:20 > 0:17:27that jump onto you and then start, like...punching you and hurting you.
0:17:27 > 0:17:30In the liver and all that.
0:17:30 > 0:17:32- But...- It depends where you get it.
0:17:32 > 0:17:35You can get it anywhere, can't you, cancer?
0:17:35 > 0:17:37Can you get it in your brain?
0:17:37 > 0:17:40- Yeah, it's a tumour you get on your brain.- Can you get it on your nails?
0:17:40 > 0:17:42Only if you bite them, Nathan.
0:17:46 > 0:17:50I've asked a few people, "If you found a cure for cancer, would you cure it?"
0:17:50 > 0:17:53And they said yeah.
0:17:53 > 0:17:57Well, they're always trying to find cures for cancer, aren't they?
0:17:57 > 0:18:01But the only thing is, they would have a keep a bit of cancer
0:18:01 > 0:18:05just in case there's another illness and cancer fights it off or something.
0:18:15 > 0:18:18And that reminds me of the volcano, Mount Doom, in The Lord Of The Rings.
0:18:27 > 0:18:31- Your birth partner's name was Connie.- I was named after her.
0:18:31 > 0:18:33Well, she had named you Hope,
0:18:33 > 0:18:38so we called you Connie after her, but kept Hope as the middle name.
0:18:42 > 0:18:46We went to talk to some councillor
0:18:46 > 0:18:49who said that whoever the father or mother genetically is,
0:18:49 > 0:18:54the children become like their parents because of behaviour and upbringing.
0:18:54 > 0:18:57So I don't know...
0:18:57 > 0:18:59I don't know what I think you've taken from us.
0:18:59 > 0:19:03I think I've taken bad jokes from Daddy.
0:19:03 > 0:19:04Possibly.
0:19:04 > 0:19:09And irritating habits, like biting my nails, from you.
0:19:09 > 0:19:11From me, sadly, yes.
0:19:11 > 0:19:13And I also I want to dye my hair.
0:19:13 > 0:19:15But that says you've got all the bad stuff.
0:19:15 > 0:19:18No, that's just all I notice.
0:19:18 > 0:19:19I made a big effort to socialise Connie.
0:19:21 > 0:19:23And look where I've got.
0:19:33 > 0:19:37- You know when we have fights, Lewis?- Yeah.
0:19:37 > 0:19:42When we get a wee bit fighty, I do wish that I was an only child, but...
0:19:42 > 0:19:47You said that if you had one wish, you would wish that I was never born.
0:19:47 > 0:19:53Well, that was actually when I was more younger and stupid, I was a stupid little...
0:19:53 > 0:19:57You said that if you had a chance to wish on anything, you would wish I wasnae born.
0:19:57 > 0:20:01No, but that was in the past, my wish now is for world peace.
0:20:02 > 0:20:10But my mummy said to me, I have to keep wishing because it's never going to happen.
0:20:10 > 0:20:12- Well, you never know, Liam. - Careful now.
0:20:12 > 0:20:16Don't strangle me, I'm telling you.
0:20:16 > 0:20:18Every brother and sister have a fight.
0:20:18 > 0:20:22- I used to always fight with my brother and sister.- Did you?
0:20:22 > 0:20:26- Aye.- Did you ever wish that you were an only child?- Sometimes, yeah.
0:20:26 > 0:20:29- All the time?- I wish that sometimes, mostly all the time.
0:20:29 > 0:20:32Not now, I'm glad that I've got my sister and my brother now.
0:20:32 > 0:20:34- You'll be the best of friends.- Aye, good.
0:20:34 > 0:20:36- When you're older.- Cos you do.
0:20:49 > 0:20:53After all these years of teasing me, you're glad you've got a sister now, aren't you?
0:20:53 > 0:20:58Yeah. You see, you've always been a bit more posher than me, haven't you?
0:20:58 > 0:21:01I don't think I'm posher than you.
0:21:01 > 0:21:05No, I mean, lifestyle-wise, your lifestyle has been quite different.
0:21:05 > 0:21:10- You upped sticks and moved from York to Manchester.- I did, yeah.
0:21:10 > 0:21:11To a totally different world type thing.
0:21:13 > 0:21:17Ian and his sister Alison had barely seen each other for years
0:21:17 > 0:21:21until Ian recently turned to Alison for help when his son was arrested.
0:21:23 > 0:21:28Do you remember when you told me about all this, Ian, the first time you told me? We were at Mum's.
0:21:28 > 0:21:30Oh, we were at Mum's, yeah, that's right.
0:21:30 > 0:21:33And you said, "Oh, I've got another problem."
0:21:33 > 0:21:37Yeah. I felt you had a right to know before anybody else because you were family.
0:21:37 > 0:21:39- Mmm.- Erm...
0:21:39 > 0:21:44- And probably because we'd become close over the last few months.- Yeah.
0:21:44 > 0:21:48I needed to tell somebody what was going on,
0:21:48 > 0:21:52and...you, being me sister,
0:21:52 > 0:21:54were the person that I wanted to tell.
0:21:54 > 0:21:58I couldn't tell anybody else before you, but I knew you would understand.
0:21:58 > 0:22:02- Did you not think I might judge him and, erm...?- No.- Didn't you?
0:22:02 > 0:22:04No, because you're not like that, are you?
0:22:04 > 0:22:07When you told me, Ian, I... It...
0:22:07 > 0:22:11You know when you hear something and it takes a second or two for it to sink in?
0:22:11 > 0:22:16- Yeah.- Well, it was one of those situations, but it was only very short-lived,
0:22:16 > 0:22:24and I obviously made my mind up in that instant that I was go to be there to support you and Scott.
0:22:24 > 0:22:27You don't...understand how much it means to Scott,
0:22:27 > 0:22:32how much he appreciates that you do come and see him. It's, erm...
0:22:32 > 0:22:35- You can tell by his face when you walk in.- Yes.
0:22:35 > 0:22:38The so-called friends that were going to come and see him every day
0:22:38 > 0:22:43and haven't come to see him every day and that haven't even wrote to him...
0:22:43 > 0:22:46- Really?- They haven't even asked about him, you know, they...
0:22:46 > 0:22:50That's all...all disappeared out of the window.
0:22:50 > 0:22:54And you coming forward and saying, "Yeah, I'll come and see you..."
0:22:54 > 0:22:57On a Friday, he looks forward to you coming through on a Friday.
0:22:57 > 0:22:59He tells me, if I go to see him on a Wednesday.
0:22:59 > 0:23:03"Oh, is Alison coming Friday?" I say yeah, "Oh, great."
0:23:03 > 0:23:06He does, he understands, and he appreciates it so much.
0:23:06 > 0:23:08I'd like to think he does.
0:23:08 > 0:23:10Yeah, he does, yeah.
0:23:10 > 0:23:12- Not for me, but for Scott.- Yeah.
0:23:12 > 0:23:14It's so important
0:23:14 > 0:23:16that Scott feels...
0:23:16 > 0:23:21- that he's got family here to support him.- Oh, yeah, and he does.
0:23:21 > 0:23:24He understands that...
0:23:24 > 0:23:31the family is now pulling together, what's left of it, to help him, and that it's not just a one-off,
0:23:31 > 0:23:34and that we're not these so-called friends that said,
0:23:34 > 0:23:37"We'll come and see you and do this for you and that for you."
0:23:37 > 0:23:42- It's his family that's stepped up to the mark for him.- To step up and...
0:23:42 > 0:23:47- Yeah.- And I'm sure he'll tell you in his own little way that, you know...
0:23:47 > 0:23:50I'm sure he will.
0:23:54 > 0:23:57I would like to have a sister and a brother.
0:23:57 > 0:23:59- AND a brother?- Yeah.
0:23:59 > 0:24:03- And what ages would they be in relation to you? - They would be the same age as me.
0:24:03 > 0:24:09- What? What, you'd like a ten-year-old brother and a ten-year-old sister?- Yeah.
0:24:09 > 0:24:13- Do you think that would work? - Probably not.- Probably not.
0:24:14 > 0:24:17What do you think about having a brother or sister?
0:24:17 > 0:24:20Erm... I'm 57 now,
0:24:20 > 0:24:24and...I felt it would have been wrong
0:24:24 > 0:24:27to have, you know, a younger child,
0:24:27 > 0:24:30because...you know, if anything happens to me,
0:24:30 > 0:24:35to my health or anything like that and I can't be a proper parent,
0:24:35 > 0:24:38that would be a problem for the child that we took on.
0:24:52 > 0:24:55Lewis, have you ever wished that you've had a disorder?
0:24:55 > 0:24:57No, not at all.
0:24:57 > 0:25:00I'm glad I'm just a normal healthy child.
0:25:04 > 0:25:07Well, sometimes I kind of...
0:25:07 > 0:25:10I'm shameful sometimes that my brother has autism,
0:25:10 > 0:25:13but sometimes you're my brother and I love you.
0:25:13 > 0:25:15It doesn't matter if you have autism or not, I still...
0:25:15 > 0:25:17But you don't ever feel like
0:25:17 > 0:25:21that I'm getting more attention than you, do you, Lewis?
0:25:21 > 0:25:24That was when I was, like, five, seven, or something,
0:25:24 > 0:25:27but now I'm nine and I don't feel that at all.
0:25:27 > 0:25:28I feel like we're equal.
0:25:28 > 0:25:31No, but Mummy loves us both equally.
0:25:31 > 0:25:36Liam, when I turned eight, that's when I found out that we were equal.
0:25:41 > 0:25:44- Are you proud of your autism? - I'm not proud of it, I hate it.
0:25:44 > 0:25:47It's the way you are, you should be proud of it.
0:25:47 > 0:25:48No, well, I hate it.
0:25:49 > 0:25:52I feel like sometimes I'm the older brother, because
0:25:52 > 0:25:57sometimes when you're messing about, dancing like this...
0:25:57 > 0:26:01sometimes I think... I say, "Liam, calm, calm..."
0:26:01 > 0:26:03Sometimes I act like the older brother.
0:26:03 > 0:26:05Do you, Lewis?
0:26:05 > 0:26:10Yeah, sometimes you're looking after me when I'm in trouble or something,
0:26:10 > 0:26:14or something's happened to me, you just go over and say, "It's OK, it's OK."
0:26:14 > 0:26:18So sometimes you're the big brother, sometimes I'm the big brother.
0:26:18 > 0:26:21I'm really worried sometimes that you might get hurt.
0:26:21 > 0:26:24- Oh...- Lewis, I worry about YOU.
0:26:24 > 0:26:28Liam, sometimes you just go running off in front of us,
0:26:28 > 0:26:31and sometimes we're worried that you might go over the road,
0:26:31 > 0:26:34and we're still way back there and we might lose you,
0:26:34 > 0:26:36so I'm worried about that.
0:26:36 > 0:26:41Lewis, I worry about you even more, more than you about me, Lewis,
0:26:41 > 0:26:45because every time I wake up in the morning, Lewis, I think
0:26:45 > 0:26:47that something's happened to you,
0:26:47 > 0:26:49that someone's took you out of your bed or something.
0:26:49 > 0:26:53- So that's the way you feel about me, Lewis?- I love you.
0:26:53 > 0:26:57- Do you love me, Lewis?- Yeah. - I love you.
0:27:07 > 0:27:10It must be two years, really, since I've had
0:27:10 > 0:27:16- a real sort of father-to-son conversation with him.- Mm-hm.
0:27:16 > 0:27:19So that must have been difficult, going to see him for the first time.
0:27:19 > 0:27:22- Very difficult. - In the circumstances that you had to.
0:27:22 > 0:27:25I didn't even know whether he would see me,
0:27:25 > 0:27:30- but I was pleasantly surprised, I'll be honest, when he came out. - Were you?
0:27:30 > 0:27:34- Yeah. Oh, yeah. - And how was that initial meeting?
0:27:35 > 0:27:38It was hard on both parties. He...
0:27:38 > 0:27:40It was hard for Scott, it was hard for me.
0:27:40 > 0:27:43I wanted to just fling my arms around him,
0:27:43 > 0:27:46give him a big hug and say, "Look, son, what have you done?"
0:27:46 > 0:27:50He probably didn't want me to do it, but probably did, but felt...
0:27:50 > 0:27:52He probably wanted it deep down.
0:27:52 > 0:27:55Yeah, deep down, but probably didn't want...
0:27:55 > 0:27:57You know, he might have got a bit embarrassed.
0:28:00 > 0:28:04It was maybe the third or fourth time that I'd been to see Scott.
0:28:04 > 0:28:07I said to him, "Why did you actually do it, Scott?
0:28:07 > 0:28:12"Can you explain to me? Have you ever done anything like this before?"
0:28:12 > 0:28:17He said, "I can't really explain why I did it, but all I can say is
0:28:17 > 0:28:22"I do some stupid things sometimes when I get angry."
0:28:22 > 0:28:25I said, "Do you find yourself getting angry?" He said, "Yes, often."
0:28:25 > 0:28:28- I didn't know about that.- Yeah.
0:28:35 > 0:28:38I believe in openness. As far as possible.
0:28:38 > 0:28:41With Connie it was obviously going to be the case
0:28:41 > 0:28:47that we will have to tell her she was adopted.
0:28:47 > 0:28:50Yeah, otherwise I would grow up and I'd think,
0:28:50 > 0:28:52"It's a bit obvious, isn't it?"
0:28:52 > 0:28:58People used to think I was your nanny or your granny because I was so old.
0:29:00 > 0:29:04Because I could have been your nanny, I could have been your gran
0:29:04 > 0:29:07because I could've had a child that married a black person.
0:29:08 > 0:29:11When we walk down the street with Connie,
0:29:11 > 0:29:14I think I was nervous in the first few days,
0:29:14 > 0:29:18because I was worried if people would make some comment about her
0:29:18 > 0:29:20being a different colour to us,
0:29:20 > 0:29:26but I think after a few days or so, I completely forgot about it.
0:29:26 > 0:29:29Then I thought to myself one day,
0:29:29 > 0:29:31"I don't care, because we're a family
0:29:31 > 0:29:35"and it doesn't matter what anybody else thinks."
0:29:35 > 0:29:37It's because we look like a family now.
0:29:37 > 0:29:38We look like we belong together.
0:29:40 > 0:29:42Something has changed.
0:29:42 > 0:29:44Something must've changed that's not conscious
0:29:44 > 0:29:47but sub-conscious in the way we look together.
0:29:47 > 0:29:51- It's magic.- It is magic. A lot of human stuff is magic, really.
0:29:57 > 0:30:00When we get to Compton Bay to scatter Mum's ashes,
0:30:00 > 0:30:01what are we going to do?
0:30:01 > 0:30:04- Have you got any ideas?- No.- Yeah.
0:30:06 > 0:30:08Um...
0:30:08 > 0:30:10Well, this isn't really an idea,
0:30:10 > 0:30:14but shall I say my speech before or after we spread them?
0:30:14 > 0:30:19- What, you're going to do a speech, then?- Yeah.- All right.
0:30:19 > 0:30:23So, you're going to write down later what you think about it?
0:30:23 > 0:30:29- Yeah.- You did a speech at Mum's funeral, didn't you?- Which was good.
0:30:29 > 0:30:31- Made everyone cry, didn't you?- Yeah.
0:30:35 > 0:30:37- Is it something you feel you want to do?- Yeah.
0:30:39 > 0:30:45- It should be special, I think. - A tribute to Mum, yeah.- Yeah.
0:30:46 > 0:30:48That's good.
0:30:48 > 0:30:52Perhaps we could take some Fosters and pour some over it?
0:30:52 > 0:30:55- Not on the flowers, but... - On the ashes.
0:30:55 > 0:31:00- Oh, right? Scatter the Fosters as well.- Yeah.
0:31:02 > 0:31:04- Carlsberg?- Yeah.
0:31:06 > 0:31:10- Which one did she drink the most? - Fosters.- Probably Fosters.
0:31:10 > 0:31:13She drunk them the same, but Fosters was probably...
0:31:13 > 0:31:19- No, she always used to drink Fosters.- Yeah.- Yeah.- Right. OK.
0:31:35 > 0:31:37Mummy's got to let go.
0:31:40 > 0:31:43- You've never been out on your own. - No, never been out on my own.
0:31:43 > 0:31:47I've not really got that much confidence,
0:31:47 > 0:31:50but I've got a little bit inside me.
0:31:50 > 0:31:54I need a challenge so it can help me through the rough times
0:31:54 > 0:32:00of, um, I guess, of what happens in the future with me.
0:32:01 > 0:32:03- Make you more independent? - Make me more independent,
0:32:03 > 0:32:08make me more and more better at stuff that I need to do in the adult world.
0:32:08 > 0:32:11- So you can do things for your own? - I guess so.
0:32:11 > 0:32:14I think we've to get you a bit more confidence, though.
0:32:14 > 0:32:17- Then we can sort of build it up. - Hmm-mm.
0:32:17 > 0:32:21- Maybe even go a little further on the bus.- Oh, no!- No!
0:32:21 > 0:32:25- I'm not going on any bus. - No?- No bus, Daddy.
0:32:28 > 0:32:31What about one of us drives to a bus stop
0:32:31 > 0:32:34and you go a couple of stops and we can meet you off?
0:32:36 > 0:32:38No? There's a challenge!
0:32:38 > 0:32:39I don't like them.
0:32:39 > 0:32:46- What if we just send you to Glasgow and back.- Yeah! Glasgow.- No!
0:32:46 > 0:32:52No, Liam. You have to learn to go on a bus on your own, though, some time, some point.
0:33:02 > 0:33:06What do you think you'll do when you're older and you leave school?
0:33:07 > 0:33:09I'll probably get driving lessons.
0:33:09 > 0:33:13Yeah, and what are you going to do for a job
0:33:13 > 0:33:15to earn money so you can look after Dad?
0:33:17 > 0:33:19- I might be a policeman. - Yeah?- Yeah.
0:33:22 > 0:33:24I would like to go into the army.
0:33:24 > 0:33:28What would you want to do in the army, then, Dan?
0:33:28 > 0:33:29Kill people.
0:33:29 > 0:33:33Kill people?! That's not very nice, is it?
0:33:33 > 0:33:35What about love and peace and all that?
0:33:40 > 0:33:41- Dad?- Yeah?
0:33:41 > 0:33:42Is being a dad hard?
0:33:44 > 0:33:47It can be at times. You can be hard work.
0:33:47 > 0:33:49Nice, thanks.
0:33:49 > 0:33:50It's enjoyable for most of the time.
0:33:57 > 0:34:00Do you know what I'm having difficulty understanding, Ian,
0:34:00 > 0:34:03is that why would somebody set fire to their own house
0:34:03 > 0:34:05and then run out and leave it?
0:34:05 > 0:34:10I'm finding it a real struggle to understand Scott's thinking.
0:34:11 > 0:34:16I think Scott did intend for that to happen in some way, didn't he?
0:34:16 > 0:34:21- Do you think he did?- The way he's been speaking to me and you,
0:34:21 > 0:34:25I would say that he probably intended it to happen.
0:34:25 > 0:34:28Because he accepts...
0:34:28 > 0:34:31..but not knowing that his mother was in the house.
0:34:33 > 0:34:38I know they don't see eye-to-eye sometimes,
0:34:38 > 0:34:41but I don't think he would do anything stupid like that.
0:34:43 > 0:34:47He probably didn't even realise that she was in the house.
0:34:47 > 0:34:49Where else would she be, though, Ian?
0:35:08 > 0:35:13- I do wonder, like, about my mum. - Which mum?
0:35:13 > 0:35:15Very funny(!)
0:35:15 > 0:35:18My burr...blah... My birth mum.
0:35:18 > 0:35:21Because, like, obviously I don't know her,
0:35:21 > 0:35:24but if I knew her, I wouldn't wonder.
0:35:24 > 0:35:28So I wonder about like, hmm, let me think...
0:35:30 > 0:35:33..like what she looks like,
0:35:33 > 0:35:37if I have brothers and sisters, if I have another dad.
0:35:37 > 0:35:40- Have you actually wondered about that?- Yeah.
0:35:41 > 0:35:45You've always told us you're not interested, which I find strange.
0:35:45 > 0:35:47No, I'm not very interested in my birth dad.
0:35:47 > 0:35:50Well, you might get to meet them one day, you never know.
0:35:50 > 0:35:54- She says she doesn't want to. - No, I don't.
0:35:54 > 0:35:56..which I find odd, but that'll change.
0:35:56 > 0:35:58No. If I don't want to, I don't have to.
0:36:02 > 0:36:04He was telling that guy not to pull in and he did.
0:36:08 > 0:36:12If I saw somebody walking down the street who's black and they stopped and they said,
0:36:12 > 0:36:15"Oh, are you adopted?" because my mum and dad were white,
0:36:15 > 0:36:19I would say yes and they would say, "Do you know who your mum was?"
0:36:19 > 0:36:23I'd go, "Yeah." "Who is she?" I would go, "Connie."
0:36:23 > 0:36:28What happens if she WAS Connie? It'd be like, "OK, this is strange."
0:36:28 > 0:36:35What happens if she had her family with her and she hadn't told her husband or her children?
0:36:35 > 0:36:41I mean, it could mess her whole life up. Her boyfriend walked out on her.
0:36:41 > 0:36:44She lost her child. I mean...
0:36:45 > 0:36:47It did ruin her life.
0:36:47 > 0:36:50It did ruin her life, and I don't want to ruin it again.
0:36:51 > 0:36:53The thing I would say, Connie,
0:36:53 > 0:36:56if there ever came a time we were to find her,
0:36:56 > 0:37:01we would not confront her anywhere. I think you'll still change your mind.
0:37:01 > 0:37:02Well, let's see.
0:37:02 > 0:37:04- It doesn't...- We got six years.
0:37:04 > 0:37:07No, we got more than that. You might never change your mind.
0:37:07 > 0:37:11- I might never.- But it's a strong possibility, let's put it that way.
0:37:18 > 0:37:20Do you think Scott was surprised by his actions?
0:37:20 > 0:37:26- Do you think it was just a one-off moment of madness or cry for help? - Well, you know yourself
0:37:26 > 0:37:29from the conversations we have had with him. I mean,
0:37:29 > 0:37:33we both came to the same agreement, didn't we? That it was a cry for help.
0:37:34 > 0:37:39- It's a very desperate cry for help, isn't it?- Very, very desperate, yeah, but, I suppose...
0:37:40 > 0:37:45..that was the one thing that I couldn't understand.
0:37:45 > 0:37:51- Can't get to grips with. - Why Scott turned out that way.- Hmm.
0:37:51 > 0:37:56Could you have done some more for him? Or could you have perhaps been there for him more
0:37:56 > 0:38:01or do you think you've missed something with bringing him up, or...?
0:38:01 > 0:38:06I still say I did the best I could. Obviously, if I could have done more,
0:38:06 > 0:38:09- I would have done more. - Of course, yeah.
0:38:09 > 0:38:13It is maybe a cry for help.
0:38:13 > 0:38:17You know, maybe I have missed something that I can't see.
0:38:17 > 0:38:19Maybe Scott does want something else.
0:38:19 > 0:38:25- But I only did what I could to the best of my capabilities.- Yes.
0:38:30 > 0:38:33(BOTH SING) # Bow chika bow wow That's what my baby says
0:38:33 > 0:38:36# Bow wow wow and my heart starts pumping
0:38:36 > 0:38:38# Chiki chiki choo-waa
0:38:38 > 0:38:42# Never gonna say, gitchi gitchi goo means that I love you
0:38:42 > 0:38:45# Baby! A ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba
0:38:45 > 0:38:47# Gitchi gitchi goo means that I love you. #
0:38:55 > 0:38:57They're really good boys.
0:39:01 > 0:39:03I've always been proud of you.
0:39:05 > 0:39:07Even if...
0:39:09 > 0:39:13- ..we're naughty? - Yeah, but that's different, innit?
0:39:13 > 0:39:17Cos you're not naughty all the time, are you?
0:39:17 > 0:39:21Even if we get a D in our school report?
0:39:21 > 0:39:25- As long as you're doing your best, I don't mind.- Cos I got some Ds.
0:39:25 > 0:39:30- I used to at school. I wouldn't worry about it.- I got some Ds, some Cs, and one A.
0:39:30 > 0:39:31I got all As.
0:39:31 > 0:39:36- I'm the brains.- Mum was the brains of the family. Yeah.- Yes.
0:39:36 > 0:39:38Smarter than Dad.
0:39:38 > 0:39:40DAD CHUCKLES
0:39:44 > 0:39:46Dad?
0:39:46 > 0:39:49I'm most proud of you because you looked after Mum.
0:39:52 > 0:39:54Oh, good. That's nice.
0:40:03 > 0:40:06You're the most caring and the most loving parents in the entire world
0:40:06 > 0:40:12- and you never give up on me.- Oh, Liam.- You bring happiness to my life and all.
0:40:12 > 0:40:14- You're the most beautiful, most kindest...- Thank you.
0:40:14 > 0:40:16- ..most loving and most generous... - Not quite, Liam!
0:40:16 > 0:40:20I love you to bits. You're the ultimate parents in the entire world.
0:40:20 > 0:40:28- You're the best mum and dad in the entire universe, even. In the cosmos of all time and space.- Not quite!
0:40:28 > 0:40:31- Lewis, you're not saying much! - Yeah.- Do you not agree?
0:40:31 > 0:40:35- Not very much. You're good parents. - Thank you.
0:40:35 > 0:40:37I wouldn't say the best in the cosmos.
0:40:37 > 0:40:40What do you think makes a perfect parent, then?
0:40:40 > 0:40:45Good love. Loving them and making sure that they're safe.
0:40:45 > 0:40:49And not being overprotective. Letting them go when they're ready.
0:40:49 > 0:40:52That's what being a parent is all about.
0:40:52 > 0:40:55Making decisions for them and making sure that when they're ready to go off
0:40:55 > 0:40:58and do the big things in the world... You need to let them go.
0:40:58 > 0:41:01Thank you, Liam. Thank you.
0:41:06 > 0:41:11- At the end of the day, I'm still his dad.- You're there for him. Yes.
0:41:11 > 0:41:13I told him that the first time I went in, I said,
0:41:13 > 0:41:16"Look, son, we might not have seen each other for quite a while,
0:41:16 > 0:41:20- "but I'm still your dad and I'm still here for you."- Yeah.
0:41:21 > 0:41:24If it had been me, me dad would have killed me. Me mum would have...
0:41:24 > 0:41:27Well, she had have been heartbroken.
0:41:27 > 0:41:30- Mum would have been heartbroken. - To be honest, I don't think me mum would have told anybody.
0:41:30 > 0:41:33- No, she wouldn't. - She would have kept it to herself.
0:41:33 > 0:41:37She would have probably been... That's probably why I am the way that I am.
0:41:37 > 0:41:43Me dad would have gone... you know, blazing both barrels,
0:41:43 > 0:41:45- "You've done this, you've done that."- At you, he would. Yes.
0:41:45 > 0:41:50- No, even if you had done it.- Oh, yeah.- Regardless of which one of us did it.
0:41:50 > 0:41:55- When Dad said, "You do," you do.- We did.
0:41:55 > 0:41:58That guy was one heck of a dad.
0:42:03 > 0:42:07- Did you know my heritage?- No.
0:42:07 > 0:42:12- Then why...?- When you get offered a baby, you stop asking questions.- OK.
0:42:14 > 0:42:18It's like if you get offered free food, you just eat it.
0:42:18 > 0:42:23I had always said I wanted to adopt a black child, hadn't I?
0:42:23 > 0:42:26I had even tried going out with black men when I was younger.
0:42:26 > 0:42:28When I joined Dateline it was all black.
0:42:29 > 0:42:30Yeah.
0:42:30 > 0:42:34I don't know what would have happened if they had offered us a white child.
0:42:34 > 0:42:36That's what I was just thinking.
0:42:36 > 0:42:39I really don't know, but I think I wanted black.
0:42:58 > 0:43:00Are we there yet?
0:43:09 > 0:43:11We got help keep the chalet clean as well.
0:43:11 > 0:43:15- I'm not tidying up after you for two weeks.- Room inspection.
0:43:17 > 0:43:20Where are we?
0:43:28 > 0:43:32- I worry what could possibly happen to him in Armley.- Do you?
0:43:32 > 0:43:33I do, yeah.
0:43:33 > 0:43:35How long do you actually think he'll get?
0:43:35 > 0:43:42Me, personally, I think he'll get between nine months and 18 months.
0:43:42 > 0:43:44So when he comes out, what's going to happen?
0:43:44 > 0:43:48Oh, I have no idea. I've spoken to Scott about it.
0:43:48 > 0:43:55Scott has told me he basically wants to get away from the Leeds area...
0:43:55 > 0:43:57and start afresh.
0:43:57 > 0:44:01- A fresh start.- Clean slate, fresh start.- Hmm.- New life.
0:44:01 > 0:44:05Settle down. Hopefully, touch wood, things will work out for him.
0:44:05 > 0:44:08Obviously, I'll give him as much help as I can.
0:44:08 > 0:44:11Yeah, of course.
0:44:19 > 0:44:23- Do you think you'll every get married, Lewis.- Yeah.- Nope!
0:44:23 > 0:44:26- Who do you think? - A blonde girl.- A blonde girl?!
0:44:26 > 0:44:27I don't want to get married.
0:44:27 > 0:44:29With big...
0:44:29 > 0:44:33- I think he wants a girl with big bosoms.- No, don't say it!
0:44:33 > 0:44:35Don't we all.
0:44:35 > 0:44:39OK, what do you want your wife to really be like, Lewis?
0:44:39 > 0:44:47Well, I want her to have blonde hair. Skinny, really skinny.
0:44:47 > 0:44:55No make-up and I want her to have nice nails.
0:44:55 > 0:45:01She can wear the make-up on special occasions like Christmas,
0:45:01 > 0:45:04birthdays, Halloween.
0:45:04 > 0:45:06Stuff like that.
0:45:06 > 0:45:08Smooth skin, clean.
0:45:13 > 0:45:18- Where did you decide mum had gone when she died?- Heaven.- Yeah.
0:45:21 > 0:45:26God went, "I have the power."
0:45:32 > 0:45:34I believe in God a little bit.
0:45:35 > 0:45:38I think a lot of people believe in God
0:45:38 > 0:45:42until something bad happens and it sort of puts you off.
0:45:42 > 0:45:44Yeah, that's, yeah.
0:45:44 > 0:45:47Everyone's got a soul, haven't they?
0:45:49 > 0:45:52I don't know what a soul is.
0:45:52 > 0:45:54Something on the bottom of your shoe.
0:45:54 > 0:45:56Is it?
0:45:56 > 0:45:58Oh, yeah, sole!
0:45:58 > 0:46:00That's one sole.
0:46:13 > 0:46:15Liam, have you thought of a challenge to do?
0:46:15 > 0:46:19I'd like to go on my own down to the shops on me own,
0:46:19 > 0:46:23but my mum's a wee bit nervous.
0:46:25 > 0:46:27I'd go with you a couple of times.
0:46:27 > 0:46:31- Mummy, are you OK with me going?- No.
0:46:31 > 0:46:33When Mummy dies, you can go to the shops on your own.
0:46:33 > 0:46:35When Mummy dies.
0:46:35 > 0:46:36Lewis, stop.
0:46:36 > 0:46:39You're being silly, Lewis.
0:46:40 > 0:46:42Well, not really.
0:46:42 > 0:46:44If you don't like me to go on me own...
0:46:44 > 0:46:46I know you have to, Liam.
0:46:46 > 0:46:50When the time comes, you have to let me make my own decisions.
0:46:50 > 0:46:55I think if you go down to the shops and maybe just buy a paper,
0:46:55 > 0:46:57it's a big challenge for you.
0:46:57 > 0:47:00Yes, but I have trouble with money, Daddy.
0:47:00 > 0:47:03Yes, but I would go down a couple of times with you.
0:47:06 > 0:47:10You want to do it as well, Liam.
0:47:11 > 0:47:15Well, yes, I guess I'm wanting to do it, but I need to do it, though.
0:47:15 > 0:47:18I need to do it. Another part of me is saying, "No, I cannae do it."
0:47:18 > 0:47:23I dinnae care. I don't want to do it, but I have to.
0:47:23 > 0:47:25- You feel you have to. - I feel I have to.
0:47:25 > 0:47:27I don't want to, but I feel I have to, so I am going to do it.
0:47:27 > 0:47:30You need to be a bit more independent, don't you?
0:47:30 > 0:47:33- That's probably my fault.- I don't want to do it, but I need to.
0:47:33 > 0:47:34I NEED to do it.
0:47:34 > 0:47:37You've never done anything like that before.
0:47:37 > 0:47:38I think it would be hard.
0:47:38 > 0:47:42What if, like, someone came up and spoke to you, like a stranger?
0:47:42 > 0:47:45I'd say, "I'm not allowed to speak to strangers."
0:47:45 > 0:47:48Even if it's a nice woman, who says "I'll help you with those bags."
0:47:48 > 0:47:49"Sorry, I'm not allowed to speak to strangers."
0:47:49 > 0:47:52- So I think I'm all right with it, Mummy.- Are you?
0:47:52 > 0:47:56- I think I could do it.- All right, we'll try that challenge.
0:47:56 > 0:47:59- How long till we're at the, you know?- I don't know.
0:47:59 > 0:48:02- Another half an hour. - Half an hour?!
0:48:08 > 0:48:11I felt quite lucky where I've ended up.
0:48:11 > 0:48:15If I think about it, I could've ended up in a childcare home
0:48:15 > 0:48:21with no parents and I might have never got any parents.
0:48:21 > 0:48:27I might have been growing up and I might be 23 with no parents.
0:48:27 > 0:48:29I might have just grown up my whole life,
0:48:29 > 0:48:33feeling like I've been rejected, if you get me?
0:48:33 > 0:48:35It would never have happened to you, darling.
0:48:35 > 0:48:38I think we all love you, don't you?
0:48:38 > 0:48:44Now I've ended up in a nice home with nice people, a nice family.
0:48:44 > 0:48:49Aren't you kind about us? We're nice, nice.
0:48:49 > 0:48:51Here, sweetie.
0:48:51 > 0:48:54Everything's been lucky. Like, I've just been really lucky.
0:48:54 > 0:48:57- I think you turned out all right. - Brilliant.
0:48:57 > 0:49:01- You're generally pretty happy, aren't you?- Generally.
0:49:01 > 0:49:04Even if you do want more than you should really have.
0:49:04 > 0:49:07I think that's true of every child in the world, yes.
0:49:15 > 0:49:19If we find somewhere that we should go back to
0:49:19 > 0:49:21that's not going to disappear,
0:49:21 > 0:49:24then we can go back and put some flowers on, can't we?
0:49:24 > 0:49:25Yes.
0:49:27 > 0:49:29We'll never forget mummy, will we?
0:49:29 > 0:49:31No.
0:49:31 > 0:49:36- Let her out of that jar, there. - She's probably bored in there.
0:49:36 > 0:49:40It'll be nice to get it done and it's another door closed,
0:49:40 > 0:49:41isn't it?
0:49:41 > 0:49:43Something less we've got to do.
0:49:44 > 0:49:47She can enjoy Compton Bay, then, can't she?
0:49:58 > 0:50:00It's good to talk.
0:50:03 > 0:50:05You get on with life, don't you? Get on with things,
0:50:05 > 0:50:07the best you can.
0:50:09 > 0:50:12I can just tell it's rough sea.
0:50:17 > 0:50:20Thank you.
0:50:31 > 0:50:32We're here!
0:50:36 > 0:50:39- This is the canal we're going on. - Is it?- Yeah.
0:50:39 > 0:50:43Let's hope Mum doesn't get seasick.
0:50:43 > 0:50:46I don't know what the difference is.
0:50:46 > 0:50:49Why they're called barges and why they're called narrow boats.
0:50:49 > 0:50:52I think what it is, barges were used for moving cargo.
0:50:52 > 0:50:55They use barges on the River Thames where they put rubbish in.
0:50:55 > 0:50:56A narrow boat, you live in.
0:51:05 > 0:51:09I think it's right that he's in there for what he's done.
0:51:09 > 0:51:13- He admitted it, didn't he? He pleaded guilty.- Yep.
0:51:13 > 0:51:16I'll agree with the sentence, whatever it is.
0:51:26 > 0:51:30- We have to turn right and go into that car park there.- There it is!
0:51:30 > 0:51:33Stan!
0:51:33 > 0:51:35- There's Stan. - Oh, look, it's Stan Laurel.
0:51:37 > 0:51:39Brilliant.
0:51:41 > 0:51:43I want to go back!
0:51:43 > 0:51:47- That was Stan Laurel. - He had on your hat.
0:51:47 > 0:51:51I know and the statue is just around that corner.
0:51:51 > 0:51:52It's Stan Laurel, we need to go back!
0:51:52 > 0:51:58- Yeah, we'll go back.- He turned around and this!- He waved to you.
0:51:58 > 0:52:01- I need to meet him. - It's like his destiny.
0:52:01 > 0:52:05Mummy, that is like destiny. Like Lewis said, that is destiny.
0:52:05 > 0:52:09I think he saw your T-shirt and your hat.
0:52:17 > 0:52:21KERRY: It's not the sort of topic you like to talk about, is it?
0:52:21 > 0:52:24I don't like talking about death.
0:52:24 > 0:52:28When someone dies, you have to talk about it
0:52:28 > 0:52:33and deal with it, but it does make you think about your life
0:52:33 > 0:52:35and what you're doing.
0:52:35 > 0:52:36How you could improve it.
0:52:38 > 0:52:40You've just got to live for the day,
0:52:40 > 0:52:42you don't know what's around the corner, do you?
0:52:52 > 0:52:55I'm starting to get a rash.
0:52:55 > 0:52:58- You're getting a rash?- Yeah.
0:52:58 > 0:53:02- Right, does anyone want to carry Mum?- Yeah!
0:53:02 > 0:53:06- How heavy is it?- Quite heavy. - Cor, Mum! You're heavy!
0:53:13 > 0:53:15Can I just carry her for a minute?
0:53:17 > 0:53:19Do you want me to carry it?
0:53:24 > 0:53:28They've come a long way. They still have moments of upset.
0:53:28 > 0:53:32They just cope with things better than adults.
0:53:34 > 0:53:38Put your backs to the wind, otherwise its...
0:53:38 > 0:53:40Hold your breath, remember!
0:53:47 > 0:53:48(SOBBING) Dear Mum in heaven,
0:53:48 > 0:53:54me, Josh, Nathan, Dad and everybody else you know,
0:53:54 > 0:53:56miss you and love you.
0:53:56 > 0:54:00We're thinking of you all day and all night.
0:54:00 > 0:54:03Lots of love everyone, from Daniel.
0:54:11 > 0:54:13That's really good.
0:54:13 > 0:54:14What we'll do before we go back,
0:54:14 > 0:54:16we'll come up and put some flowers here.
0:54:16 > 0:54:21Yeah? Yeah, we'll bring some flowers up before we go home.
0:54:26 > 0:54:29Oh, this is nice !
0:54:29 > 0:54:32Look at everything!
0:54:32 > 0:54:34Oh, look over there!
0:54:35 > 0:54:37- Hello.- Hello, sir, you OK?
0:54:38 > 0:54:40I mean, I just love it. I'm loving it.
0:54:40 > 0:54:46And Ollie shouts, "Your money or your life!" "What?"
0:54:46 > 0:54:49"Your money or your life!" "What?"
0:54:49 > 0:54:52"Your money or your life!
0:54:52 > 0:54:56"We're a couple of bandits. We're here to take your money!"
0:55:00 > 0:55:02Right, which way?
0:55:06 > 0:55:08I just thing he looks so well.
0:55:08 > 0:55:10He does. He's got three weeks now.
0:55:10 > 0:55:12Three weeks until sentencing?
0:55:12 > 0:55:16- It's not easy visiting a member of your family in a prison.
0:55:16 > 0:55:19Did you ever imagine you would be doing that?
0:55:19 > 0:55:21- Never.- No, I didn't either.
0:55:34 > 0:55:35All right?
0:55:35 > 0:55:38Right, that's a good thing done, isn't it?
0:55:38 > 0:55:43Mummy saying, "Thank Christ you've let me out of that biscuit tin.
0:55:43 > 0:55:46"Why has it taken so long?"
0:55:46 > 0:55:47Wouldn't she?
0:55:51 > 0:55:52Right, come on, then.
0:55:52 > 0:55:55Shall we get another ice-cream or something?
0:55:55 > 0:55:56You all right, Dan?
0:55:56 > 0:55:58Good boy.
0:56:12 > 0:56:14In the future, you're going to stay with Mummy and Daddy
0:56:14 > 0:56:16until you're how old?
0:56:16 > 0:56:19- 25.- I know what I'm going to do.
0:56:19 > 0:56:21When I'm 18, I'm out the door!
0:56:21 > 0:56:25- Well, thanks, Liam(!)- When I'm 25, I'm staying with Mummy and Daddy.
0:56:25 > 0:56:27Liam, that's only two weeks away.
0:56:27 > 0:56:29You can't leave when you're 18.
0:56:29 > 0:56:31Mummy, I am out of door.
0:56:31 > 0:56:34- Go out for a paper at 16 and out the door at 18.
0:56:35 > 0:56:39- Can I stay at the house as long as I want?- Of course you can, Liam.
0:56:39 > 0:56:42OK, here's my new plan, then. When I'm 30, I'm out the door!
0:56:42 > 0:56:44OK, then.
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