0:00:15 > 0:00:20Live from the Birmingham Hippodrome, New Faces of '86.
0:00:22 > 0:00:24MUSIC: "Carmina Burana" by Carl Orff
0:00:28 > 0:00:33New Faces was the biggest programme on television.
0:00:38 > 0:00:41- We go over to our panel for their comments.- It's very powerful.
0:00:41 > 0:00:45- Absolutely fantastic. - Whatever it is, he's got it.
0:00:52 > 0:00:55It was the most incredible moment of my entire life.
0:00:57 > 0:01:02No mistakes, Wayne. Don't fall over. This is live television.
0:01:03 > 0:01:06I wanted to be a star.
0:01:14 > 0:01:18My wife said to me, "Show business, it'll crack you open".
0:01:20 > 0:01:21You know what?
0:01:26 > 0:01:28It's done a good job.
0:01:46 > 0:01:49Looking back, how important was that night?
0:01:51 > 0:01:54Well, it's more important...
0:01:54 > 0:01:57winning the lottery couldn't top it, you know.
0:02:00 > 0:02:04Sitting at the side of the Queen would not top winning a show like that.
0:02:04 > 0:02:06Meeting...
0:02:07 > 0:02:10..any idol... shaking hands with God...
0:02:12 > 0:02:14..could not top winning New Faces.
0:02:16 > 0:02:20- No way.- You really felt that? - Yes. Yeah...
0:02:21 > 0:02:24..because no one in the world wants to know a loser.
0:02:25 > 0:02:27They don't want to know you.
0:02:35 > 0:02:39Good evening, and welcome to the grand final of New Faces '86.
0:02:39 > 0:02:42For the next 90 minutes, ladies and gentlemen, we'd be delighted
0:02:42 > 0:02:48if you'd sit back and enjoy the stars of tomorrow.
0:02:48 > 0:02:51# Gone away is the bluebird... #
0:02:52 > 0:02:55Vinny was one half of a comic double act.
0:02:55 > 0:02:58# ..He sings a love song as we go along
0:02:58 > 0:03:01# We're walking in a Winter Wonderland
0:03:01 > 0:03:04# In the meadow we can build a snowman... #
0:03:06 > 0:03:09- How confident were you?- Very.
0:03:11 > 0:03:16I had 100% faith in making it big to be a funny man.
0:03:19 > 0:03:22Why d'you cause me all this chaos, aggravation, all the time?
0:03:22 > 0:03:25Because there's something wrong with your throat.
0:03:25 > 0:03:27What's wrong with it?
0:03:27 > 0:03:29It wants cutting.
0:03:29 > 0:03:32Jim, your comments, please, on Walker and Cadman.
0:03:32 > 0:03:36What can you say? I mean, the audience loved them, we all loved them.
0:03:36 > 0:03:40- I'd like to see their whole act. I think it would be marvellous. - Thank you. Thank you, Jim.
0:03:40 > 0:03:42APPLAUSE
0:03:42 > 0:03:46Me and Mel looked at each other, we opened a bottle of champagne, and we said, "Cheers, Vin!
0:03:46 > 0:03:49"We're on our way now!" And we was on our way.
0:03:51 > 0:03:56We was on our way to being big stars.
0:03:57 > 0:04:03The other acts on stage that night included Billy, another comedian...
0:04:03 > 0:04:07I've had a walk round Birmingham today. I saw this sign, it said "Topless Restaurant".
0:04:07 > 0:04:11And I went in, and there were no roof on it.
0:04:11 > 0:04:14And it were raining. It took me an hour and a half to eat me soup.
0:04:20 > 0:04:21# Can you hear my heart?
0:04:23 > 0:04:24# Beating like a drum... #
0:04:24 > 0:04:27..Wayne, a club singer...
0:04:27 > 0:04:29# It's because tonight of all nights
0:04:31 > 0:04:32# You and I will be one... #
0:04:32 > 0:04:37# I knew before... #
0:04:38 > 0:04:40..Julie, a soprano...
0:04:41 > 0:04:47# ..Burnt out ends of smoky days... #
0:04:50 > 0:04:54..and Gary, a 17-year-old violinist.
0:05:00 > 0:05:02Were you a natural show-off?
0:05:02 > 0:05:04Definitely. In everything I did,
0:05:04 > 0:05:06I showed off, and I wanted all the girls to look at me.
0:05:11 > 0:05:17I'd worked so hard to get to this point, and this is the reward, you know. "I'm going to be famous".
0:05:23 > 0:05:24APPLAUSE
0:05:25 > 0:05:28I absolutely brought the house down.
0:05:33 > 0:05:38And I was very confident. I was just waiting for them to tell me how wonderful I was, you know.
0:05:38 > 0:05:41Bill, what do you think to Gary Lovini?
0:05:41 > 0:05:43Well, he totally tore this audience apart...
0:05:43 > 0:05:47- Didn't he, just?- ..And I can guarantee my mum sitting at home saying to my dad,
0:05:47 > 0:05:50"Hey, Albert, what a lovely-looking lad he is!"
0:05:50 > 0:05:54I thought he was terrific at his act, but if you're asking me to decide whether
0:05:54 > 0:05:57there's a new face of a star in the making,
0:05:57 > 0:06:01I would say not a star for me, because I don't understand where the act can go.
0:06:01 > 0:06:04We shall see. It depends on the people out there.
0:06:12 > 0:06:13Come on, everybody.
0:06:16 > 0:06:19I actually didn't care about fame.
0:06:24 > 0:06:30For me, the stage was an escape from home.
0:06:33 > 0:06:37The final act was James, a soul singer from Liverpool.
0:06:43 > 0:06:48James, why is a bit of that photograph missing?
0:06:48 > 0:06:50Well, my adoptive mother, Lily,
0:06:50 > 0:06:54there's lots of pictures which she was in, and I have cut them out.
0:06:54 > 0:06:58I don't know exactly what the dealings were
0:06:58 > 0:07:02between my real mother and my adoptive parents,
0:07:02 > 0:07:05but it went wrong, horribly wrong.
0:07:06 > 0:07:11My adoptive parents, both of them were mentally ill.
0:07:13 > 0:07:16I was always on pins awaiting something.
0:07:16 > 0:07:19Either Tommy would kick off, or she would,
0:07:19 > 0:07:22she would get angry and nasty, and I would have to leave the room.
0:07:22 > 0:07:27"What's wrong?" "Leave the room, go, go." "But what is wrong?"
0:07:27 > 0:07:29"Leave the room." You would go.
0:07:30 > 0:07:33There were some really scary moments.
0:07:35 > 0:07:39It turned to shit, basically.
0:07:48 > 0:07:51Are you OK James? Do you want to take a minute?
0:07:51 > 0:07:53I'm fine. I have been there loads of times.
0:07:53 > 0:07:56But yeah, it's like, well,
0:07:56 > 0:08:00all you have to do is say to a child...
0:08:02 > 0:08:03"..It doesn't matter..."
0:08:05 > 0:08:08- Do you want to take a minute? - Yeah, please.
0:08:09 > 0:08:13Will you welcome James Stone!
0:08:15 > 0:08:22BAND PLAYS
0:08:25 > 0:08:29# I'm a gin soaked bar-room in Memphis... #
0:08:29 > 0:08:33I could sing, show off, be Mr Cool
0:08:33 > 0:08:36for people, that was a real good trip, that was.
0:08:38 > 0:08:41But I was a troubled young man.
0:08:41 > 0:08:44# She gives me the honky The honky, the honky
0:08:44 > 0:08:47# She gives me the blues She gives me... #
0:08:47 > 0:08:52After I finished a show, wherever it was, I would disappear quickly.
0:08:52 > 0:08:56I couldn't talk to people, my heart would pound, and I would panic.
0:09:00 > 0:09:05APPLAUSE
0:09:05 > 0:09:07What did you think to James Stone?
0:09:07 > 0:09:11I thought he was absolutely marvellous. He really nailed it there for the audience,
0:09:11 > 0:09:13and got everybody going with him.
0:09:13 > 0:09:15- Bill?- I think James Stone is a star.
0:09:17 > 0:09:18Well, thank you panel.
0:09:18 > 0:09:24The lines are now open. Lift your receivers and dial NOW!
0:09:35 > 0:09:39The morning after the grand final, all of the acts awoke
0:09:39 > 0:09:41to find themselves famous.
0:09:42 > 0:09:50You come from nothing, and then the next minute you are literally
0:09:50 > 0:09:52thrown into the lights of stardom.
0:09:53 > 0:09:56People respect you more.
0:09:56 > 0:09:59You get more respect, people see you in the street.
0:09:59 > 0:10:02"There's Vinny, get his autograph."
0:10:08 > 0:10:12It makes you believe that you are important, it really does.
0:10:15 > 0:10:18New Faces transformed Vinny's career.
0:10:20 > 0:10:24His double act was now in demand in theatres around the country.
0:10:25 > 0:10:27And he was on stage all year round.
0:10:30 > 0:10:31Oh yes.
0:10:32 > 0:10:36- Do you love being on here then? - Yeah, it's amazing.
0:10:38 > 0:10:42When it's going well, the laughter that you get, it's better than food.
0:10:44 > 0:10:48Actually you don't hear laughter, you hear a roar.
0:10:48 > 0:10:50Then you pause, then it's another roar,
0:10:50 > 0:10:56it's like 1,200 lions roaring at you.
0:10:56 > 0:11:00It's like, "Wow!" You are on your way.
0:11:02 > 0:11:04Everything is a bit of fun when you're on stage,
0:11:04 > 0:11:07even when your offstage.
0:11:07 > 0:11:11There's a switch that goes... in your head to say,
0:11:11 > 0:11:15"Now it's fun time."
0:11:17 > 0:11:24This was the 24-hour party place. This place never closed.
0:11:26 > 0:11:32I was brought up on a little old council estate in Wigan.
0:11:32 > 0:11:35I didn't expect to mingle with such things
0:11:35 > 0:11:38like Oliver Reed, Roy "Chubby" Brown.
0:11:40 > 0:11:43Over here, there would be all the groupies, if you like.
0:11:45 > 0:11:49I would be up the bar here with a couple of women,
0:11:49 > 0:11:52me and my other partner, that I used to have,
0:11:52 > 0:11:54we used to stand here at the bar.
0:11:56 > 0:12:00I remember asking a young lady here to marry me actually.
0:12:00 > 0:12:02At this bar here.
0:12:02 > 0:12:04All my money were going here.
0:12:04 > 0:12:07Every penny I used to have would go behind that bar,
0:12:07 > 0:12:08so that's called partying.
0:12:08 > 0:12:11I'd walk home the next day with not a penny in my pocket.
0:12:11 > 0:12:14But then again I would go on stage again and get my wages again,
0:12:14 > 0:12:17come back down to The Dutchman again, partying again.
0:12:17 > 0:12:21"Let's get to the bar. Let's have some fun with the girls. Come on!"
0:12:21 > 0:12:24- And that is what we used to do. - Was it good times?
0:12:24 > 0:12:27It was brilliant times. We had a really good time.
0:12:32 > 0:12:35After New Faces all of a sudden people were pointing at you,
0:12:35 > 0:12:38nudging as you went past. They would come up
0:12:38 > 0:12:40and find an excuse to talk to you.
0:12:40 > 0:12:42People would get tongue-tied when they're talking,
0:12:42 > 0:12:45they would get nervous when they talk to you.
0:12:45 > 0:12:48Billy's performance in the grand final got him
0:12:48 > 0:12:52taken on by one of the biggest, comedy agents in the country.
0:12:52 > 0:12:56I always felt as if I was waiting in the wings.
0:12:56 > 0:12:59And when it was suddenly my chance to walk out,
0:12:59 > 0:13:03I could never have been more ready than I was then.
0:13:03 > 0:13:06He shot to fame out of his New Faces appearance
0:13:06 > 0:13:07and his rapid-fire humour,
0:13:07 > 0:13:10Please welcome comedian Billy Pearce.
0:13:10 > 0:13:14- 'I appeared on television ever such a lot.'- Have you been in showbiz long?
0:13:14 > 0:13:15What time is it now?
0:13:16 > 0:13:19The BBC gave him a TV series.
0:13:19 > 0:13:24APPLAUSE
0:13:26 > 0:13:30Suddenly I'm earning £3,000 or £4,000 a night.
0:13:30 > 0:13:34Turning over half million pounds a year, plus.
0:13:35 > 0:13:40This house is so massive compared to where I used to live.
0:13:40 > 0:13:42I just kept running round and shouting really.
0:13:45 > 0:13:48I would have like five people with me all of the time,
0:13:48 > 0:13:51and another man on the phone ringing me all the time every day.
0:13:51 > 0:13:55Two or three times a day telling me what's happening, and where I'm going.
0:13:55 > 0:13:57How much money I am going to be earning,
0:13:57 > 0:14:00and who's interested in me for this, that or the other.
0:14:00 > 0:14:02I even had a driver for two years.
0:14:02 > 0:14:05This guy would press all my shirts and everything.
0:14:05 > 0:14:07It's crazy, isn't it?
0:14:10 > 0:14:13Where you unfaithful to your first wife?
0:14:13 > 0:14:14Yes.
0:14:15 > 0:14:17Oh, aye.
0:14:18 > 0:14:20I had one night stands then.
0:14:20 > 0:14:23I could get away with that and never make any arrangements
0:14:23 > 0:14:25to see them again or anything, because I was married,
0:14:25 > 0:14:29and I had to be very careful what I did, not to get caught.
0:14:29 > 0:14:31It's a miracle I didn't get caught really.
0:14:31 > 0:14:33What I got up to.
0:14:33 > 0:14:36My favourite one, I went to Benidorm,
0:14:36 > 0:14:39and I finished up with two sisters!
0:14:39 > 0:14:41That was good fun.
0:14:44 > 0:14:45Did you feel guilt?
0:14:45 > 0:14:48- Yeah.- Did you think you were doing something wrong?
0:14:48 > 0:14:50Yes. Definitely. Without a doubt.
0:14:50 > 0:14:52Why did you keep doing it?
0:14:52 > 0:14:56I didn't get married to be unfaithful to my wife,
0:14:56 > 0:14:59that's not why I got married. I thought I'd be happy with her,
0:14:59 > 0:15:01but as it happened, I wasn't.
0:15:01 > 0:15:05Maybe if I was at home and doing a nine to five job.
0:15:05 > 0:15:08Do you think things would have been different
0:15:08 > 0:15:11if you had been at home doing a nine to five job?
0:15:11 > 0:15:14I don't think... I wouldn't have been with her.
0:15:14 > 0:15:18I wouldn't have been good enough for her. I wouldn't have been with her.
0:15:20 > 0:15:22Most of my girlfriends, I have to say,
0:15:22 > 0:15:27have been with me because I've been in show business.
0:15:27 > 0:15:30The glamour and the money and all that.
0:15:32 > 0:15:36They haven't been with me for me, as a person,
0:15:36 > 0:15:38the person you see sat here now.
0:15:38 > 0:15:40With a heart and a soul and all that.
0:15:40 > 0:15:43I'm just an ordinary, everyday bloke.
0:15:43 > 0:15:48It made it difficult for me to trust women as such.
0:15:56 > 0:16:00After New Faces, you have to milk this opportunity while you can.
0:16:01 > 0:16:05New Faces didn't make Wayne a TV star,
0:16:05 > 0:16:08but demand for him in the clubs shot up.
0:16:08 > 0:16:10A lot of people say I was a workaholic.
0:16:10 > 0:16:13I'd sometimes work seven evenings a week.
0:16:13 > 0:16:20We were driving many hours to a venue and then having to perform,
0:16:20 > 0:16:23and then driving many hours back.
0:16:23 > 0:16:27That was me. I was work and work was me.
0:16:29 > 0:16:31I was never one that thought
0:16:31 > 0:16:34my career would bring plenty of women to me,
0:16:34 > 0:16:38but because you're up on the stage, you get many admirers.
0:16:38 > 0:16:41He's tall, handsome and has got a good voice.
0:16:42 > 0:16:46Did you feel like being on the road and family life were in conflict?
0:16:48 > 0:16:49Yes.
0:16:54 > 0:16:58Wayne's partner was Dawn, a local beauty queen.
0:16:58 > 0:17:02I was very career-minded and Dawn knew this.
0:17:05 > 0:17:08I remember when she told me that she was pregnant.
0:17:10 > 0:17:12I wanted to be loyal and be that father,
0:17:12 > 0:17:16but I also wanted to do my job and that, you know?
0:17:16 > 0:17:24It was that doubt that I had which, unfortunately...
0:17:24 > 0:17:26I met another girl.
0:17:31 > 0:17:37Love is something that comes and goes, I think.
0:17:37 > 0:17:42I'm not God's gift to women to look at and I've never felt that way.
0:17:42 > 0:17:47I think the show business has helped me find the girls, shall I say?
0:17:51 > 0:17:58And people might think that I've never really loved.
0:17:59 > 0:18:02And people might be right.
0:18:10 > 0:18:17# It won't be easy You'll think it's strange
0:18:17 > 0:18:23# When I try to explain how I feel... #
0:18:23 > 0:18:29'If I hadn't done New Faces, then the dream might have died.'
0:18:29 > 0:18:33I might not have pursued the career that I did
0:18:33 > 0:18:37if I hadn't had that little taste of stardom.
0:18:37 > 0:18:40Bill, bearing in mind this is live television,
0:18:40 > 0:18:42what could you do with Julie A Scott?
0:18:42 > 0:18:45Quite a lot.
0:18:45 > 0:18:49Whether she's got that thing that transcends talent
0:18:49 > 0:18:52that an Elaine Paige has got or a Barbara Dixon's got,
0:18:52 > 0:18:55it's difficult to tell at first hearing.
0:18:55 > 0:18:58- However, I actually thought she was a bit special.- Great.
0:18:58 > 0:19:02Once you get that taste of the theatre and being on the television,
0:19:02 > 0:19:06the dream's alive, isn't it?
0:19:06 > 0:19:08You really think, this is it.
0:19:08 > 0:19:13JULIE PERFORMS VOCAL EXERCISES
0:19:17 > 0:19:21Do you think men and women have a different experience
0:19:21 > 0:19:25of working in show business?
0:19:25 > 0:19:28Yes, I do. Most definitely.
0:19:29 > 0:19:34I think men get the chance to have it all,
0:19:34 > 0:19:37whereas, women always have to sacrifice something.
0:19:52 > 0:19:58- Nearly ready, nearly ready. Hiya! - We have two minutes.- That's good.
0:19:58 > 0:20:01Gosh, the motion of the ocean.
0:20:01 > 0:20:04Please put your hands together and welcome the lovely,
0:20:04 > 0:20:08the charming, Julie A Scott.
0:20:08 > 0:20:14# My dearest dear... #
0:20:15 > 0:20:18In the early days, I would say
0:20:18 > 0:20:24I wanted children, but my career was in its infancy
0:20:24 > 0:20:27so I was putting all my energies into that.
0:20:27 > 0:20:30Then New Faces came along when I was 29.
0:20:32 > 0:20:36'Then you put it off for a little while'
0:20:36 > 0:20:39and then the years fly by, don't they?
0:20:40 > 0:20:42Now I'm too old.
0:20:44 > 0:20:47You can sort of beat yourself up about it,
0:20:47 > 0:20:48but I would never do that
0:20:48 > 0:20:52because I wouldn't change what I've done for the world.
0:21:04 > 0:21:06'So, no babies.'
0:21:08 > 0:21:15I really, now, as I sit here, I'd think I would've...
0:21:15 > 0:21:18I wished I would've had one.
0:21:18 > 0:21:20# If you touch me
0:21:20 > 0:21:23# You'll understand what happiness is... #
0:21:23 > 0:21:26'That would have been nice.'
0:21:26 > 0:21:31- Do you think you'd have enjoyed being a mum?- Yeah, I think so.
0:21:34 > 0:21:36Yeah, I think I would've made a good mum.
0:21:40 > 0:21:47# ..A new day has begun. #
0:22:09 > 0:22:13How many wives and children did you have?
0:22:15 > 0:22:20Three wives and eight children. Yeah.
0:22:22 > 0:22:26Do you feel like you've had a lot of ex-wives and a lot of children?
0:22:26 > 0:22:34No. Not at all. No, it's just a drop in the ocean, that.
0:22:34 > 0:22:38I'd get married again. I'd get married 20 times.
0:22:38 > 0:22:45If I have to get married 200 times to find the love...my proper...
0:22:45 > 0:22:52my soul mate, my twin soul, I will find my twin soul.
0:22:53 > 0:22:57- Were you a good husband?- I think so.
0:23:06 > 0:23:11- What Drew you to Vinny? - I found him completely fascinating.
0:23:11 > 0:23:16I was bowled over by his looks, his personality.
0:23:16 > 0:23:21I think just seeing this person who was so zany and so...
0:23:21 > 0:23:23"Everything will be fine, you know.
0:23:23 > 0:23:27"We can do this, we can do that, there's not going to be any problem."
0:23:27 > 0:23:30That was quite attractive at the time.
0:23:30 > 0:23:32Were you in love with Tracey?
0:23:32 > 0:23:37Absolutely, and still am. I still do.
0:23:39 > 0:23:43I got pregnant, actually, very quickly after
0:23:43 > 0:23:46Vinny and I started to live together.
0:23:46 > 0:23:48I wanted to have a family so from my point of view,
0:23:48 > 0:23:51I was so excited about being pregnant
0:23:51 > 0:23:53and starting this family with Vinny.
0:23:53 > 0:23:56When the children were born, how was he as a father?
0:23:56 > 0:24:00The day-to-day nitty-gritty of life were not there, ever.
0:24:00 > 0:24:04It was sort of just living in this world of...
0:24:04 > 0:24:07being with the right sort of people, show business people,
0:24:07 > 0:24:10talking about show business.
0:24:10 > 0:24:13Mixing with maybe lots of glamorous women,
0:24:13 > 0:24:17dancers and that sort of thing. Living that lifestyle.
0:24:17 > 0:24:20Just totally divorced from what was really going on in his life.
0:24:20 > 0:24:25Which was more important? Being a star or Tracey?
0:24:29 > 0:24:32Being a star.
0:24:36 > 0:24:40In 1988, we topped the bill at the Wellington Pier.
0:24:40 > 0:24:42That was the last time
0:24:42 > 0:24:46I was really on stage as a professional entertainer.
0:24:46 > 0:24:50The following summer, 1989,
0:24:50 > 0:24:55there was no working whatsoever.
0:24:55 > 0:25:01How did it affect him when his career started to fail?
0:25:05 > 0:25:08I think he found it very difficult to cope with
0:25:08 > 0:25:13because he really didn't believe that it could possibly fail.
0:25:13 > 0:25:18He wouldn't look at any other type of work.
0:25:18 > 0:25:21It wasn't as though he was saying, "OK, this has dried up.
0:25:21 > 0:25:25"I'm going to have to look out for a job in a shop,
0:25:25 > 0:25:28"or do some other form of work to support the family."
0:25:28 > 0:25:32It was only the entertainments business that he would look at.
0:25:32 > 0:25:37We lost our home because we couldn't pay the mortgage.
0:25:37 > 0:25:42- Were you ever tempted to get a normal job?- No, never.
0:25:42 > 0:25:43Why?
0:25:43 > 0:25:47Because I really thought that I was going to be a massive star.
0:25:49 > 0:25:52And...
0:26:12 > 0:26:14Family life wasn't enough for him.
0:26:14 > 0:26:17He needed the outside world to know about him.
0:26:19 > 0:26:25He needed for everybody to know about Vinny Cadman as a star.
0:26:25 > 0:26:30It's like a love relationship with it, really.
0:26:30 > 0:26:35I remember saying to my partner once I'd sleep on the stage.
0:26:35 > 0:26:37I would, in the theatre.
0:26:37 > 0:26:44When I walk into a theatre, it's so wonderfully nostalgic, if you like.
0:26:44 > 0:26:48I feel at home in a theatre.
0:26:52 > 0:26:58And it's been taken away from me, really.
0:27:07 > 0:27:09'What did you think of James Stone?
0:27:09 > 0:27:12'I thought he was absolutely marvellous.
0:27:12 > 0:27:14'I thought he was a fabulous talent.'
0:27:14 > 0:27:15APPLAUSE
0:27:15 > 0:27:19'You know that's a face you're going to see around for a long time.
0:27:19 > 0:27:23'That's what New Faces should be about. I think it's superb.
0:27:23 > 0:27:26- 'I think James Stone is a star. - Thank you.'
0:27:26 > 0:27:29APPLAUSE
0:27:39 > 0:27:44My career, it didn't dramatically change after New Faces at all.
0:27:48 > 0:27:52It wasn't suddenly all Aston Martins and big houses.
0:27:52 > 0:27:54It was still the nitty-gritties.
0:27:56 > 0:28:00I was still travelling many, many hours in the car.
0:28:00 > 0:28:04'Still going to places with no dressing room.'
0:28:04 > 0:28:05Got changed in there.
0:28:05 > 0:28:08Some embarrassing situations in there.
0:28:08 > 0:28:10I didn't even think about that.
0:28:10 > 0:28:14I didn't think, "I've been on television, I deserve better."
0:28:20 > 0:28:24James was being managed by an agent in Wales called Christine.
0:28:25 > 0:28:29She and her husband invited James to move in with them
0:28:29 > 0:28:31so he could leave Liverpool behind.
0:28:40 > 0:28:44I actually cut off from everybody in my life.
0:28:47 > 0:28:50Family I grew up with, I cut off completely
0:28:50 > 0:28:53and lived my life here for those 13-14 years.
0:28:53 > 0:28:57And it was like being a monk.
0:28:57 > 0:29:00- No girlfriends?- No.
0:29:00 > 0:29:06I stayed away from that area for, say, 12 years I was celibate,
0:29:06 > 0:29:09is the word. 12 years.
0:29:09 > 0:29:13And did it seem strange moving in with your manager or not?
0:29:13 > 0:29:16Not really. Not really at all.
0:29:16 > 0:29:18Because I didn't see her as my manager.
0:29:18 > 0:29:23I just thought of her as a person who's... well, a nice person.
0:29:23 > 0:29:28- Nice person.- Did it feel like you'd found a home?
0:29:29 > 0:29:31I'll be honest with you and say yes.
0:29:31 > 0:29:35I'll be perfectly honest with you and say now you're asking me that,
0:29:35 > 0:29:38I'd never thought of it before, but now you're asking, yes, it was.
0:29:38 > 0:29:42It really was. Used to...
0:29:46 > 0:29:51- ..cycle all around there and keep fit.- What are you thinking, James?
0:29:51 > 0:29:53- Why are you feeling...? - I just miss her.
0:29:55 > 0:29:57I just really miss her, you know.
0:29:59 > 0:30:02Chris died six years ago.
0:30:02 > 0:30:06James, is there a sensitivity here about talking about Chris
0:30:06 > 0:30:08and the finances?
0:30:08 > 0:30:10- Yeah, there is a bit, to be honest with you.- What is that?
0:30:10 > 0:30:14Well, it's just that where did the money go?
0:30:14 > 0:30:17That's it, basically.
0:30:17 > 0:30:21Although she put James up, Chris never gave him his earnings
0:30:21 > 0:30:24while he was with her.
0:30:24 > 0:30:28It was because I met somebody else, another act.
0:30:28 > 0:30:30They were telling me how well they were doing
0:30:30 > 0:30:34and they weren't even working as half as I was, even then.
0:30:34 > 0:30:37And I was wondering why they've got this property and this...
0:30:37 > 0:30:38Things. They've got things.
0:30:38 > 0:30:41They're saying, "I've got this thing, I've got that thing.
0:30:41 > 0:30:44"I'm going on holiday with the missus, we're going here."
0:30:44 > 0:30:47I'm thinking, "How come I can't afford to buy...?"
0:30:47 > 0:30:51And it was only then it started, "Grow up. Grow up."
0:30:53 > 0:30:58Well, I said, "Chris, I don't wish to rock the boat or anything,
0:30:58 > 0:31:03"but I think it's about time I knew where all this money's going."
0:31:03 > 0:31:06She didn't like that.
0:31:06 > 0:31:13- Was it an argument with Chris about it?- No, there wasn't an argument, just a bad feeling.
0:31:13 > 0:31:16She took the time to write it out. I never read it.
0:31:16 > 0:31:20I just went, "Chris, I'm not interested." I just ripped it up.
0:31:20 > 0:31:22"I don't want to know."
0:31:25 > 0:31:30So, in total, this would have been hundreds of thousands of pounds, wouldn't it?
0:31:30 > 0:31:32It would have amounted to that easily.
0:31:32 > 0:31:38- And you don't know where it went? - No. I don't want to know. It's gone.
0:31:38 > 0:31:43- Do you feel any sense of anger towards her?- No.- None?
0:31:43 > 0:31:48Not one iota of anger do I feel towards Chris. Not one.
0:31:48 > 0:31:53If she was there now I'd say, "Chris, can I make you a nice Chinese meal?"
0:31:55 > 0:32:00In that fucking wok. I used to make it in that.
0:32:00 > 0:32:05So, yeah, I love this place. I love Chris and Danny.
0:32:05 > 0:32:08I love all my people.
0:32:10 > 0:32:12She was, she was like a mum.
0:32:41 > 0:32:46What I do is totally different from anybody, you know, with a normal job.
0:32:46 > 0:32:51It's totally different, you know. You never get fed up being on stage.
0:32:52 > 0:32:56Gary became a cruise ship entertainer.
0:32:56 > 0:32:59- Hello?- Daddy!
0:33:01 > 0:33:05- Daddy's home.- How are you doing? OK?- Yeah.
0:33:05 > 0:33:08You get to your ship, you're in the Jacuzzi,
0:33:08 > 0:33:13having a nice relaxing day in the sunshine.
0:33:13 > 0:33:17You think, "No, this is not bad." It's great.
0:33:17 > 0:33:21He may be young but, my goodness, he's good on the fiddle.
0:33:21 > 0:33:25Straight after New Faces, he was in demand on light entertainment
0:33:25 > 0:33:28programmes for two years.
0:33:28 > 0:33:30What is so good about fame?
0:33:31 > 0:33:37When you're famous, it literally is all about you, and it's...
0:33:37 > 0:33:40Yeah, not anybody else, you.
0:33:40 > 0:33:41HE LAUGHS
0:33:41 > 0:33:44And everyone's looking at you, everyone wants to meet you,
0:33:44 > 0:33:48everyone wants to touch you, everyone wants to kiss you,
0:33:48 > 0:33:52everyone wants to be around you, everyone wants to sit with you.
0:33:52 > 0:33:57It's just me, me, me time. Me, me and more me.
0:34:15 > 0:34:18Who was the driving force in settling down?
0:34:18 > 0:34:20Me, I suppose.
0:34:20 > 0:34:24Definitely Emma, yes. Because I'd got the best of both worlds.
0:34:24 > 0:34:28I was still cruising when we first met.
0:34:28 > 0:34:33- The partying was still happening. - So I suppose it was me that decided.
0:34:33 > 0:34:36- At some point I went, "Gary..." - So she gave me an ultimatum.
0:34:36 > 0:34:39"Do you want to marry me or not?"
0:34:39 > 0:34:43It was six years down the line and Gary still hadn't proposed, so...
0:34:45 > 0:34:51I think he was obviously the heartthrob violinist
0:34:51 > 0:34:55that everybody wanted a little piece of.
0:34:55 > 0:34:58I suppose I was the lucky one that got the whole piece.
0:34:58 > 0:35:00THEY LAUGH
0:35:02 > 0:35:06Having the kids has brought us even closer together,
0:35:06 > 0:35:10and, you know, we love them more than life itself.
0:35:10 > 0:35:11I'm very lucky.
0:35:13 > 0:35:16- Do you feel lucky?- Yes, I do.
0:35:17 > 0:35:23I've got a lot of showbiz friends, and most of them
0:35:23 > 0:35:26have been married at least two or three times.
0:35:38 > 0:35:4014 years ago I met Kerry.
0:35:40 > 0:35:44She was a professional dancer and I thought she was absolutely
0:35:44 > 0:35:49beautiful, and I thought I'd made a bit of a coup there, to be honest.
0:35:51 > 0:35:55Over a period of time, I just fell head over heels in love with her,
0:35:55 > 0:35:59so I bought an engagement ring and she said yes.
0:36:07 > 0:36:11APPLAUSE
0:36:14 > 0:36:16And one night I was staying with a friend of mine
0:36:16 > 0:36:21and, after a few bevvies, he said to me, "I think you're stupid.
0:36:21 > 0:36:24"What are you doing? She's a lot younger than you.
0:36:24 > 0:36:26"She's only after you for your money and your name,"
0:36:26 > 0:36:28and all this sort of thing.
0:36:28 > 0:36:31He was quite scathing about my stupidity.
0:36:33 > 0:36:37It did upset me and I said, "Look, only time will tell.
0:36:37 > 0:36:39"You may be right, who knows?"
0:36:50 > 0:36:51Kerry and I were together,
0:36:51 > 0:36:55but careerwise, things were changing rapidly.
0:36:55 > 0:37:03It's like being demoted, so one minute you're kingpin,
0:37:03 > 0:37:06up there enjoying the success and everything, then gradually
0:37:06 > 0:37:08all that kind of peters out.
0:37:08 > 0:37:13Billy decided to start a business abroad.
0:37:13 > 0:37:14A showbiz friend of mine
0:37:14 > 0:37:19knew of this club in Portugal that was sat there doing nothing.
0:37:19 > 0:37:24If it was working properly you could make 10,000 a night out of it.
0:37:24 > 0:37:27It turned into a massive great big venture,
0:37:27 > 0:37:31which initially it wasn't going to be like that.
0:37:31 > 0:37:37It just had a life of its own and completely took us over, really.
0:37:37 > 0:37:40Did you invest a lot in it?
0:37:40 > 0:37:45Um, yes. I invested everything into it.
0:37:48 > 0:37:52I remortgaged my house three or four times, actually,
0:37:52 > 0:37:55I blew all my savings.
0:37:55 > 0:37:57It was like gambling, and you think,
0:37:57 > 0:38:00"If I just chuck another £50 at it I might win."
0:38:02 > 0:38:08Do you think part of the motive was a desire to provide for Kerry?"
0:38:09 > 0:38:11Yes.
0:38:28 > 0:38:30How hard were you drinking?
0:38:30 > 0:38:34I was drinking 24/7.
0:38:34 > 0:38:40I was actually drinking round about 18 hours a day.
0:38:40 > 0:38:44When you were drinking that much, were you worried about yourself?
0:38:44 > 0:38:48No. No.
0:38:48 > 0:38:53Not one iota. It made me feel on top of the world.
0:38:55 > 0:39:00One night I left the pub at 1am. I'd had a lot to drink.
0:39:00 > 0:39:04I got in the car, the police pulled me up within about 10 seconds.
0:39:04 > 0:39:09He said, "You've been drinking, I can smell it a mile off."
0:39:09 > 0:39:11I said, "I've had a couple."
0:39:11 > 0:39:15And his mate said, "A couple of gallon, you mean."
0:39:18 > 0:39:23The judge said, "We are looking for a custodial sentence."
0:39:23 > 0:39:26And I said, "What does this mean?"
0:39:26 > 0:39:29And the copper said at the side of me, "You're going down, lad.
0:39:29 > 0:39:30"You're going down."
0:39:54 > 0:39:56I couldn't sleep.
0:39:56 > 0:40:01The prison officers kept coming to my cell and asking me
0:40:01 > 0:40:03was I OK every hour.
0:40:03 > 0:40:08And I kept saying, "Yeah, I'm fine." They knew I wasn't OK.
0:40:09 > 0:40:12I'd already ruined my life as a comedian.
0:40:12 > 0:40:15I'd already ruined my life as a...
0:40:19 > 0:40:21..as anything, really.
0:40:21 > 0:40:27You know, I ruined my life, I ruined my life, I ruined my life.
0:40:27 > 0:40:29I ruined my life as everything.
0:40:55 > 0:40:59So, yeah, I was in here for a while.
0:40:59 > 0:41:04One morning I was in, the proprietor of this place here came in,
0:41:04 > 0:41:07opened the bin and put all the rubbish onto me.
0:41:07 > 0:41:10I didn't... I thought, "What the hell was that?"
0:41:10 > 0:41:12He said, "What are you doing in my bin?"
0:41:12 > 0:41:14And I said, "I'm trying to get some sleep."
0:41:14 > 0:41:19- No one wanted to know me at all. - How long were you here?
0:41:21 > 0:41:24On and off for about 12 months.
0:41:24 > 0:41:27- Welcome to show business. - HE LAUGHS
0:41:27 > 0:41:29It wasn't nice.
0:41:55 > 0:41:59So there we were, out in Portugal. We had a phone call
0:41:59 > 0:42:02from the solicitor who was dealing with the legal side of the club,
0:42:02 > 0:42:06telling us not to spend any more money, "Don't part with any money,
0:42:06 > 0:42:08"don't do anything until you've seen me."
0:42:12 > 0:42:16The contract that had been done with this club and the man that owned it,
0:42:16 > 0:42:21he was bankrupt and, therefore, our contract was worth nothing.
0:42:24 > 0:42:27My partner, the business guy, looked at me and he said,
0:42:27 > 0:42:29"What does it all mean?"
0:42:29 > 0:42:32And I said to him, "Look, mate, we might as well have set fire
0:42:32 > 0:42:33"to the money, that's what it means.
0:42:33 > 0:42:36"We might as well get on a plane and go home.
0:42:36 > 0:42:38"It's a waste of time, we've blown it, all this money."
0:42:41 > 0:42:44It was as if somebody had opened a trapdoor
0:42:44 > 0:42:46and you'd fallen through it, or you'd gone in a toilet
0:42:46 > 0:42:50and somebody had flushed it and you were flushed away.
0:42:56 > 0:43:02And I rang my wife, Kerry, in this state of shock,
0:43:02 > 0:43:05and we had a brief conversation.
0:43:05 > 0:43:08She said, "Hello, how are you doing?" "I'm all right, how are you doing?"
0:43:08 > 0:43:11She said to me, "What's the matter with you?"
0:43:11 > 0:43:14Because she knew from the tone of me voice that there was something wrong.
0:43:14 > 0:43:18"There's something wrong with you." I said, "Kerry, I've lost everything."
0:43:18 > 0:43:22She said, "What do you mean?" I said, "I've had a meeting in this solicitor's
0:43:22 > 0:43:26"and it's all worthless. We might as well have set fire to the money.
0:43:26 > 0:43:27"I've lost everything.
0:43:27 > 0:43:33"I've lost all my money, my future money, your future money.
0:43:33 > 0:43:35"You know, I've gambled on the house and everything,
0:43:35 > 0:43:38"our ISAs, everything."
0:43:38 > 0:43:41And she said, "No, you haven't lost everything."
0:43:41 > 0:43:43I said, "But I have. I've been a fool, I've lost everything."
0:43:43 > 0:43:47And she said, "No, you haven't. You have not lost everything."
0:43:47 > 0:43:49I said, "What do you mean I haven't lost everything?"
0:43:49 > 0:43:51She said, "You've still got me.
0:43:51 > 0:43:53"You've still got me.
0:43:53 > 0:43:56"And if we have to live in a tent,
0:43:56 > 0:44:00"so long as we've got each other we've got everything."
0:44:07 > 0:44:10# ...Things in life are bad They can really make you mad
0:44:10 > 0:44:13# While other things just make you swear and curse
0:44:13 > 0:44:16# But when you're chewing on life's gristle don't grumble
0:44:16 > 0:44:17# Give a little whistle
0:44:17 > 0:44:23# And this will help things turn out for the best
0:44:23 > 0:44:28# Always look on the bright side of life... #
0:44:28 > 0:44:30'I am the luckiest man in the world.'
0:44:30 > 0:44:33I have found the family life that I've never had before,
0:44:33 > 0:44:35and I'm enjoying every second of it
0:44:35 > 0:44:38and making the most of it while I can.
0:44:42 > 0:44:46Billy's friends lent him enough money to keep his house.
0:44:46 > 0:44:49HE HUMS
0:44:49 > 0:44:51He has since paid them back.
0:44:55 > 0:44:56That'll do.
0:45:13 > 0:45:15There is somebody in my life now, very, very important.
0:45:15 > 0:45:22Or I'm in somebody else's life. And life is good, life is really good.
0:45:27 > 0:45:32And it's with the help of somebody. We all need that one person.
0:45:32 > 0:45:34I've found the one person.
0:45:44 > 0:45:49Three years ago, James entered another TV talent show.
0:45:53 > 0:45:55Your name is?
0:45:55 > 0:45:56James Stone.
0:45:56 > 0:46:00- OK, and, James, and what do you do? - I sing and perform.
0:46:00 > 0:46:02OK, so 52, you've been doing this a long time.
0:46:02 > 0:46:06- Yep.- And you think you're good enough to win this competition?- Yeah.
0:46:06 > 0:46:10CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
0:46:11 > 0:46:14- Shall we do it?- Yes, please.
0:46:18 > 0:46:22# I don't want you sad and blue
0:46:22 > 0:46:27# Cos I just want to make love to you... #
0:46:27 > 0:46:28Thank you.
0:46:28 > 0:46:32CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
0:46:32 > 0:46:36You're kind of like a sexier version of Mick Jagger.
0:46:50 > 0:46:54Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome James Stone.
0:46:54 > 0:46:57SONG: "You Can Leave Your Hat On
0:46:59 > 0:47:01Come on!
0:47:01 > 0:47:02Got this.
0:47:05 > 0:47:08# Baby, take off your coat
0:47:11 > 0:47:13# Real slow... #
0:47:14 > 0:47:19You've come from bingo halls to Britain's Got Talent, 12 million people watching,
0:47:19 > 0:47:21I thought that performance was brilliant.
0:47:21 > 0:47:23APPLAUSE
0:47:23 > 0:47:25Thank you, Piers, thank you very much.
0:47:27 > 0:47:29It's interesting, watching that back,
0:47:29 > 0:47:32you know, you're actually a very, very talented guy.
0:47:32 > 0:47:35You know, you look good, you've got a great voice.
0:47:35 > 0:47:38It's kind of like, I think you're in the bingo halls because
0:47:38 > 0:47:43of probably bad luck, bad decisions you may have made in your life.
0:47:43 > 0:47:48Maybe tonight that performance could change your life.
0:47:48 > 0:47:50APPLAUSE AND CHEERING
0:47:58 > 0:48:02How would you describe your financial position?
0:48:02 > 0:48:04Dire. Very dire.
0:48:04 > 0:48:07No, seriously, we don't worry about it any more,
0:48:07 > 0:48:09but we've got absolutely nothing.
0:48:09 > 0:48:14We've got a rusty car and some equipment, some speakers,
0:48:14 > 0:48:17and the cats...
0:48:17 > 0:48:20That's all we've got, you know.
0:48:20 > 0:48:25But, hell, I mean, it doesn't really matter, does it? Are we that bothered?
0:48:25 > 0:48:29- Sunshine... - We do buy a lottery ticket.
0:48:29 > 0:48:32James will say to me, "Well, you're living with James Stone now."
0:48:32 > 0:48:36We're sat here at night with nothing to do, watching TV,
0:48:36 > 0:48:39and he goes, "Well, that's life with James Stone, isn't it?"
0:48:39 > 0:48:42- Life in the fast lane!- Yeah! - Just sitting there like...
0:48:42 > 0:48:44"What shall we do now, babe?"
0:48:44 > 0:48:47THEY LAUGH
0:49:03 > 0:49:06When I look back now, I always think...
0:49:08 > 0:49:12I must have been OK, cos I'm still doing it at my age now.
0:49:21 > 0:49:23And so I have to convince myself, well, you know,
0:49:23 > 0:49:25I'm still out there on the boards.
0:49:28 > 0:49:29But...
0:49:31 > 0:49:34..I envy the people that find their love early on
0:49:34 > 0:49:37and stay together for the rest of their life.
0:49:37 > 0:49:41I was to blame, really, for not giving my family time.
0:49:49 > 0:49:52For my first seven or eight years, I didn't see much of my dad at all,
0:49:52 > 0:49:56but, as I've grown older, we see each other quite a lot.
0:49:56 > 0:50:00We go to the football every week, that's kind of our structure, we go to the football.
0:50:00 > 0:50:03But, obviously, I've got a key to my dad's house
0:50:03 > 0:50:06so whenever I feel like going round, I can pop up there and see him,
0:50:06 > 0:50:08so it's like become a mate, more than...
0:50:08 > 0:50:12I used to protect him when we used go to football, now he protects me!
0:50:12 > 0:50:13THEY LAUGH
0:50:13 > 0:50:15Do you think there's anything
0:50:15 > 0:50:17that you wish your dad had done differently?
0:50:17 > 0:50:20Um, not in terms of his career.
0:50:20 > 0:50:23I mean, he's good at it and I think that he deserved
0:50:23 > 0:50:26to show people that he was good at that career.
0:50:26 > 0:50:30Obviously, family life, maybe things could have worked out different,
0:50:30 > 0:50:34we don't know, and obviously that's something that only Dad knows.
0:50:50 > 0:50:52Don't be late, my darling.
0:50:55 > 0:50:57HE LAUGHS
0:50:57 > 0:50:59I love you very much.
0:50:59 > 0:51:02I can't wait to see you in your dress, my darling.
0:51:12 > 0:51:16'We met on a dating agency, an international dating agency.
0:51:17 > 0:51:20'We sent e-mails back and forth,
0:51:20 > 0:51:23'we then did a video date where I could see her and talk to her
0:51:23 > 0:51:26'and she'd talk to me, then I came to see her.'
0:51:28 > 0:51:30It was very difficult at the beginning
0:51:30 > 0:51:36when I first made contact with Yulia, with the language barrier.
0:51:36 > 0:51:39Because she spoke very little English,
0:51:39 > 0:51:43it was very, very little, and, of course, when I came over
0:51:43 > 0:51:46we had to have a translator, interpreter with us all of the time.
0:51:50 > 0:51:55MUSIC: "Wedding March"
0:52:20 > 0:52:23I'm very much in love with her, and she is with me,
0:52:23 > 0:52:24and that's what it is.
0:52:24 > 0:52:28We get married and she will come to live in England.
0:52:40 > 0:52:43CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
0:52:45 > 0:52:51Back in 1986, I was fortunate to win a TV talent show in England
0:52:51 > 0:52:54called New Faces.
0:52:54 > 0:52:56So, it seems appropriate that I should sing a song
0:52:56 > 0:52:58and dedicate it to my beautiful wife.
0:52:58 > 0:53:01This is called Hello Again.
0:53:02 > 0:53:06# Hello, my friend, hello
0:53:09 > 0:53:14# Just called to let you know
0:53:14 > 0:53:20# I think about you
0:53:20 > 0:53:23# Every night... #
0:53:23 > 0:53:27'I know I'm older and I've been around a long time,
0:53:27 > 0:53:31'but it was kind of love at first sight.'
0:53:31 > 0:53:33# Hello... #
0:53:35 > 0:53:39'I want this girl to be in my life, for the rest of my life.'
0:53:39 > 0:53:42APPLAUSE
0:53:56 > 0:53:59I think you can be too self-centred at times
0:53:59 > 0:54:03and think everything just should be about you.
0:54:03 > 0:54:05And, I suppose, for a long time it was.
0:54:05 > 0:54:09Now it's me and the dog.
0:54:09 > 0:54:11Yeah, she goes everywhere with me.
0:54:11 > 0:54:15Here we go, yummy, yummy, yummy. Good girl.
0:54:15 > 0:54:18I personally think I'm a very caring person.
0:54:18 > 0:54:21I love fussing around after people...
0:54:23 > 0:54:27And, I suppose, because I've got nobody to fuss around here,
0:54:27 > 0:54:32I love... Now that I've got the dog, I love fussing around after her!
0:54:32 > 0:54:33SHE LAUGHS
0:54:37 > 0:54:40Do you think...
0:54:40 > 0:54:44in a way, your great love affair, the great love of your life,
0:54:44 > 0:54:47has been your career, rather than another person?
0:54:50 > 0:54:54Um, I suppose you're right.
0:54:54 > 0:54:58It's the most long-lasting love affair of my life.
0:54:59 > 0:55:02Cos it's been since I was a little girl,
0:55:02 > 0:55:05and it'll go with me till the day I die.
0:55:07 > 0:55:08Yeah.
0:55:15 > 0:55:18The names of the acts that have been in the final tonight
0:55:18 > 0:55:20are represented in the stars...
0:55:21 > 0:55:26..for you, the people at home, have the casting decision.
0:55:26 > 0:55:27Who's it going to be?
0:56:17 > 0:56:21I think the only thing we would maybe wish is if there was maybe
0:56:21 > 0:56:23- someone like Simon Cowell... - Yeah.
0:56:23 > 0:56:26..that was there at the time at the 1986 New Faces
0:56:26 > 0:56:30that would back you and give you the million pound record deal.
0:56:30 > 0:56:36I mean, I've got to say, there was absolutely no prize money,
0:56:36 > 0:56:41not even a vase saying well done, nothing.
0:56:41 > 0:56:45But, you know, when I left school I didn't really know
0:56:45 > 0:56:47what I was going to do for a career.
0:56:47 > 0:56:51So, everything just happened, you know,
0:56:51 > 0:56:53took the decision away from me.
0:56:53 > 0:56:56New Faces changed everything.
0:56:56 > 0:56:57It was amazing.
0:57:08 > 0:57:11I do have a destiny.
0:57:11 > 0:57:13And I haven't reached it yet.
0:57:13 > 0:57:16What's your destiny?
0:57:16 > 0:57:21Well, my destiny once was to be world-famous.
0:57:21 > 0:57:24- And what is it now? - It's still the same.
0:57:27 > 0:57:29Still the same.
0:57:31 > 0:57:33It is.
0:57:35 > 0:57:37'I am still swimming.'
0:57:37 > 0:57:39I'm still swimming!
0:57:39 > 0:57:44But I've swum downstream this last few years, you know.
0:57:45 > 0:57:48And now I'm swimming back upstream.
0:58:02 > 0:58:04- Vinny!- Yes?!
0:58:04 > 0:58:09When it was going badly, or when it has been going badly,
0:58:09 > 0:58:13- and you're struggling to pay the bills...- Yeah.
0:58:13 > 0:58:16- ..and it's causing you suffering... - Yeah.
0:58:16 > 0:58:20- ..the fact that your career isn't going well...- Yeah.
0:58:20 > 0:58:24..why haven't you ever gotten just a normal job?
0:58:33 > 0:58:35Because it's boring.
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