Episode 2

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0:00:02 > 0:00:04We live in a country where men and women are meant to be equal.

0:00:04 > 0:00:07Same pay, same careers, same opportunities.

0:00:07 > 0:00:08But children as young as seven

0:00:08 > 0:00:12think that boys and girls are fundamentally different.

0:00:12 > 0:00:15I think boys are cleverer than girls.

0:00:15 > 0:00:20Men are better at, like, being in charge.

0:00:20 > 0:00:23I would describe a girl as being pretty.

0:00:23 > 0:00:25And that these differences will

0:00:25 > 0:00:27define the lives they live as adults.

0:00:27 > 0:00:33If a woman has a child, the men have to go to work and earn some money.

0:00:33 > 0:00:38Men are more successful because they could have more harder jobs.

0:00:38 > 0:00:42I don't believe that biology alone can explain these differences.

0:00:42 > 0:00:45I think the answer lies in the society we live in.

0:00:47 > 0:00:49I'm Dr Javid Abdelmoneim.

0:00:49 > 0:00:52What if they called you all Sweet Pea?

0:00:52 > 0:00:53- No!- No!

0:00:53 > 0:00:55I'm going to find out if by turning

0:00:55 > 0:00:58a class of seven-year-old primary school children...

0:00:58 > 0:00:59What are we doing?

0:00:59 > 0:01:00..gender neutral...

0:01:00 > 0:01:03You've got to start going to the same toilet.

0:01:03 > 0:01:04No!

0:01:04 > 0:01:07..I can change the way they think about themselves.

0:01:07 > 0:01:10Everyone can have a chance to do what they like.

0:01:10 > 0:01:12And the way they think about their future.

0:01:12 > 0:01:15I do not like reading but I liked reading that book.

0:01:15 > 0:01:17And if I can do that,

0:01:17 > 0:01:21perhaps there's a chance of making their adult lives really equal.

0:01:21 > 0:01:24Made to be underpaid. Would you dress your daughter in that?

0:01:24 > 0:01:26It kind of makes something that seems so innocent

0:01:26 > 0:01:29not really that innocent after all.

0:01:29 > 0:01:31But it isn't going to be easy.

0:01:31 > 0:01:33I don't want to do it any more!

0:01:33 > 0:01:36I want it to go back to boys and girls.

0:01:36 > 0:01:39I didn't think I could do it at first.

0:01:39 > 0:01:42What we're trying to do could actually be very difficult.

0:01:42 > 0:01:44I think you're going to struggle.

0:01:44 > 0:01:48Every child deserves the same opportunities in life,

0:01:48 > 0:01:51but unless we stop treating our boys and girls differently,

0:01:51 > 0:01:53that simply isn't going to happen.

0:02:05 > 0:02:08This is Lanesend Primary School on the Isle of Wight...

0:02:10 > 0:02:12Good morning, everyone.

0:02:12 > 0:02:16- STUDENTS:- Good morning, Mrs Sice.

0:02:16 > 0:02:19Good morning, everybody.

0:02:21 > 0:02:23..where, at the beginning of the term,

0:02:23 > 0:02:26I ran a series of tests to measure the level of difference between

0:02:26 > 0:02:29the boys and girls in this class of seven-year-olds.

0:02:31 > 0:02:35Differences in areas like levels of self-esteem,

0:02:35 > 0:02:37confidence and empathy.

0:02:39 > 0:02:41And the results were shocking.

0:02:42 > 0:02:48I'm seeing here evidence that the girls significantly underestimate

0:02:48 > 0:02:51how clever they are, and have less self-esteem and self-confidence.

0:02:51 > 0:02:58I think men are better at, like, being in charge.

0:02:58 > 0:03:02And the boys can't seem to express their emotions.

0:03:02 > 0:03:04What's happiness?

0:03:05 > 0:03:07Um...

0:03:07 > 0:03:09I don't know.

0:03:10 > 0:03:13Except anger, which is really disturbing.

0:03:13 > 0:03:15You've done it, you just have to let go!

0:03:15 > 0:03:17Hot-headed.

0:03:17 > 0:03:19Knock-knock! CHEERING

0:03:19 > 0:03:21Are we learning today?

0:03:23 > 0:03:26I'm determined to tackle these differences

0:03:26 > 0:03:28via a number of interventions.

0:03:28 > 0:03:30How are you, sir? Nice to see you.

0:03:30 > 0:03:32To see if by treating the children the same

0:03:32 > 0:03:35those differences will disappear.

0:03:35 > 0:03:38We've got some boards which you're all going to help put up.

0:03:38 > 0:03:40It says that boys are strong.

0:03:40 > 0:03:42CHEERING

0:03:42 > 0:03:44But so are girls. CHEERING

0:03:44 > 0:03:46Girls are strong!

0:03:49 > 0:03:52And that has meant getting rid of anything

0:03:52 > 0:03:55that marks out boys and girls as different.

0:03:56 > 0:04:00From their classroom to their teacher.

0:04:00 > 0:04:03Lexi, are you all right there, love?

0:04:03 > 0:04:06You said, "Love!" You just called Lexi "love!"

0:04:06 > 0:04:09I'm halfway through my time here at Lanesend,

0:04:09 > 0:04:13and I've had some success in getting the children to think differently

0:04:13 > 0:04:17about traditional roles for men and women.

0:04:17 > 0:04:21I think that it's really cool that it's a girl mechanic.

0:04:21 > 0:04:26And how they view each other and what they are capable of.

0:04:26 > 0:04:29Now I think that girls and boys can be strong.

0:04:32 > 0:04:35But it hasn't all been plain sailing.

0:04:37 > 0:04:38BOY SOBS

0:04:40 > 0:04:44And it's clear that I'm facing attitudes that even the people who

0:04:44 > 0:04:48know them best see as deeply ingrained.

0:04:48 > 0:04:53I think, from the moment they're born, they are aware of gender,

0:04:53 > 0:04:57from the clothes that they're given to the language people use.

0:04:57 > 0:05:00So, even though we do a lot of work around it,

0:05:00 > 0:05:03it's very much that they've still got very set mind-sets

0:05:03 > 0:05:06on what is acceptable for their gender.

0:05:11 > 0:05:14It's a new day at Lanesend.

0:05:14 > 0:05:17And week three of my time with Graham Andre's class

0:05:17 > 0:05:18of seven-year-olds.

0:05:20 > 0:05:22In just a couple of weeks,

0:05:22 > 0:05:27these children will be retested to see if any of my interventions have

0:05:27 > 0:05:30managed to reduce the differences between them as boys and girls.

0:05:31 > 0:05:34OK, yesterday afternoon, we did some puzzles.

0:05:34 > 0:05:36Who would like to do another one again this morning?

0:05:36 > 0:05:38CHILDREN: Me!

0:05:40 > 0:05:43Including when it comes to their ability to manipulate shapes

0:05:43 > 0:05:45and understand patterns.

0:05:46 > 0:05:48Known as spatial awareness.

0:05:51 > 0:05:53Has everybody got the challenge?

0:05:53 > 0:05:55CHILDREN: Yes.

0:05:55 > 0:05:57Start now. Go.

0:05:59 > 0:06:03Something that boys, thanks in part to the kinds of toys they play with,

0:06:03 > 0:06:05have a natural advantage at.

0:06:07 > 0:06:10I think Minecraft and Lego help me

0:06:10 > 0:06:15because you can build stuff in Minecraft and Lego

0:06:15 > 0:06:17and try and fit in a lot of blocks.

0:06:19 > 0:06:22An advantage that results in boys' dominance in jobs like

0:06:22 > 0:06:24engineering and architecture.

0:06:26 > 0:06:28In fact, in the UK,

0:06:28 > 0:06:33only 13% of people in science and maths-related careers are women.

0:06:35 > 0:06:38Give yourself some room there, Grace.

0:06:38 > 0:06:42And that is a shocking waste of potential talent.

0:06:42 > 0:06:44Because I'm looking at the sheet.

0:06:45 > 0:06:50So to help the girls develop their spatial abilities,

0:06:50 > 0:06:53I've given all the children Tangram puzzles.

0:06:55 > 0:06:59These are games that brain train the children

0:06:59 > 0:07:02and help them develop spatial awareness skills.

0:07:07 > 0:07:08Wow...

0:07:08 > 0:07:10HE LAUGHS

0:07:10 > 0:07:12So what you've done here is you've flipped it around,

0:07:12 > 0:07:14so you've done like a mirror image.

0:07:14 > 0:07:16That's amazing, that, Finn.

0:07:16 > 0:07:20Have a look carefully, whereabouts is the green triangle?

0:07:20 > 0:07:22And can you put it where it is?

0:07:22 > 0:07:23So, there is the green triangle,

0:07:23 > 0:07:25then what comes next to it?

0:07:25 > 0:07:27- Purple.- Purple.

0:07:30 > 0:07:33But for some, my plan isn't working.

0:07:34 > 0:07:38I don't get how to do them properly.

0:07:38 > 0:07:44A lot of the girls are struggling with it, and,

0:07:44 > 0:07:48like, Bradley and Finlay on my table, they were really good at it.

0:07:50 > 0:07:55I'm worried that the children should be getting better at these puzzles,

0:07:55 > 0:07:57but the girls simply aren't.

0:07:57 > 0:08:00Argh! This is impossible!

0:08:02 > 0:08:06I want to find out if the difference between them is so marked

0:08:06 > 0:08:09because male and female brains are structurally different.

0:08:17 > 0:08:19As part of my experiment,

0:08:19 > 0:08:21I've been getting some insight from Dr Gina Rippon.

0:08:23 > 0:08:25The brain is very, very plastic.

0:08:25 > 0:08:29It really refers to the notion of being mouldable, changeable,

0:08:29 > 0:08:32that something isn't necessarily fixed and invariant,

0:08:32 > 0:08:34which is what was always thought about the brain.

0:08:34 > 0:08:37So that's why it was assumed that if females had a particular brain,

0:08:37 > 0:08:40that was it, you know, you went along on those particular tramlines.

0:08:40 > 0:08:43But because we know that brains are very plastic,

0:08:43 > 0:08:45different experiences will change the brain,

0:08:45 > 0:08:49so lots of examples of boys having spatial skills because of Lego,

0:08:49 > 0:08:51but girls also play in a different way.

0:08:51 > 0:08:53If they like playing with dolls, etc,

0:08:53 > 0:08:58very often they will develop little scripts that their toys have.

0:08:58 > 0:09:02So they become more verbal, more interactive.

0:09:02 > 0:09:04Both of them really important skills.

0:09:04 > 0:09:06But they will be developing differently.

0:09:06 > 0:09:10So, some of the behavioural differences that we see could relate

0:09:10 > 0:09:13not to the fact that this is a brain from a girl or a brain from a boy,

0:09:13 > 0:09:17but it's a brain from somebody who did play with Lego

0:09:17 > 0:09:19and somebody else who didn't play with Lego.

0:09:22 > 0:09:26Gina is clear that the experiences kids have in childhood,

0:09:26 > 0:09:28the toys they play with, and the world they inhabit

0:09:28 > 0:09:32shape the abilities they develop and physically change their brains.

0:09:35 > 0:09:39So how different does a boy and girl's childhood really look today?

0:09:39 > 0:09:40OK.

0:09:41 > 0:09:45This is the result of a quick trawl down the high street from Debenhams

0:09:45 > 0:09:49to Next, to Matalan, to Argos, M&S, John Lewis,

0:09:49 > 0:09:51right across the price range.

0:09:51 > 0:09:54There are exceptions out there, but far more than when I was growing up.

0:09:54 > 0:09:59It just seems to be an overwhelming avalanche of blue for boys

0:09:59 > 0:10:02and pink for girls.

0:10:02 > 0:10:06High street stores don't necessarily have aisles marked boys and girls,

0:10:06 > 0:10:08but it's quite clear what's meant for who.

0:10:08 > 0:10:12There are whole sections packed with pink toys aimed at girls,

0:10:12 > 0:10:15so pink domestic appliances, pink prams.

0:10:15 > 0:10:19And the tool boxes and construction kits are all blue.

0:10:19 > 0:10:22If children's brains really are moulded by what they experience,

0:10:22 > 0:10:25then this total divide between what's the boys' world

0:10:25 > 0:10:28and what is the girls' world worries me.

0:10:33 > 0:10:38But what does this pink and blue world look like to a parent?

0:10:38 > 0:10:41- Hiya, Lee. How are we doing? - Hi, Javid, how are you?

0:10:41 > 0:10:43- Fine, thank you.- Nice to see you.

0:10:48 > 0:10:52To find out, I have come to the pinkest place I can think of -

0:10:52 > 0:10:55an eight-year-old girl's birthday party.

0:10:57 > 0:10:59In the pink tent, that's where the party is.

0:10:59 > 0:11:02- It is very pink, isn't it?- Yes.

0:11:02 > 0:11:05Edie's party is an avalanche of pink,

0:11:05 > 0:11:09sparkles and feather boas.

0:11:09 > 0:11:11So you like being a girlie girl?

0:11:11 > 0:11:15- Yeah.- What does it mean to you to be a girlie girl?

0:11:15 > 0:11:16Just being a girl.

0:11:20 > 0:11:24Edie loves being pampered, she loves having her nails done,

0:11:24 > 0:11:26it makes her feel special.

0:11:26 > 0:11:31She loves all the sparkle that goes with it, and the dressing up.

0:11:31 > 0:11:33Glitter tattoos.

0:11:33 > 0:11:35Because its all very pink and girlie.

0:11:38 > 0:11:39Edie is having a great time.

0:11:41 > 0:11:44Aquabeads. I've already got this.

0:11:46 > 0:11:48But this focus on looks and appearance

0:11:48 > 0:11:50makes me feel uncomfortable.

0:11:52 > 0:11:55Gina has told me that if little girls play with certain toys

0:11:55 > 0:11:59then it has a fundamental effect on how their brains develop.

0:12:01 > 0:12:03And dress-up dolls and craft sets

0:12:03 > 0:12:05won't help Edie become an engineer.

0:12:08 > 0:12:09What did you get her?

0:12:09 > 0:12:11We got her some pots,

0:12:11 > 0:12:12different highlighter pens,

0:12:12 > 0:12:15a multicoloured pom-pom ball for her schoolbag,

0:12:15 > 0:12:19and a big sort of eraser that's also a pencil sharpener as well.

0:12:19 > 0:12:21Because girls just love arts and crafts.

0:12:21 > 0:12:22Would you get that for a boy?

0:12:23 > 0:12:25No.

0:12:26 > 0:12:29It seems to me that when we give children the kind of presents that

0:12:29 > 0:12:34we think they want, all it does is affect what they are capable of.

0:12:39 > 0:12:43So what's the deal for boys, and the toys adults choose for them?

0:12:44 > 0:12:46Hello! Hi, Nile, how are you doing?

0:12:46 > 0:12:48- Good.- Upstairs?

0:12:48 > 0:12:49Yep.

0:12:50 > 0:12:53I've come to see Nile to find out.

0:12:53 > 0:12:56- You'll be surprised. - Look at this tool box,

0:12:56 > 0:12:59you've got an actual huge tool box and it's full of Lego.

0:12:59 > 0:13:02What's your favourite thing to play with?

0:13:02 > 0:13:03This.

0:13:05 > 0:13:07Wow.

0:13:07 > 0:13:09That looks like that goes pretty high.

0:13:09 > 0:13:11- Yeah.- Does it? Did you build that?

0:13:11 > 0:13:14- Yeah.- I thought there would be clothes in here.

0:13:14 > 0:13:16No. There is toys and guns.

0:13:16 > 0:13:18Oh, my gosh!

0:13:18 > 0:13:20Lots of gun toys, yeah.

0:13:20 > 0:13:22- You're good at shooting. - This is my favourite.

0:13:22 > 0:13:24I've got two cowboy guns.

0:13:25 > 0:13:28So, basically, you like Lego, you like shooting guns,

0:13:28 > 0:13:30and you like your heroes.

0:13:30 > 0:13:33That's fair enough. I liked all of those things.

0:13:36 > 0:13:39What's the best thing about being a boy?

0:13:39 > 0:13:41They get cooler Nerf guns than girls,

0:13:41 > 0:13:42cos girls only get Nerf Rebelles

0:13:42 > 0:13:45that aren't better than the boys' Nerf guns.

0:13:45 > 0:13:48I have no idea what you're talking about,

0:13:48 > 0:13:50but the best thing about being a boy is that you get to play with guns,

0:13:50 > 0:13:52is what I'm hearing.

0:13:52 > 0:13:55No, boys get cooler Nerf guns than girls.

0:13:55 > 0:13:58OK. So who are better, then? Boys or girls?

0:13:58 > 0:14:01- Boys.- Why?

0:14:01 > 0:14:02Because they get cooler stuff.

0:14:02 > 0:14:04HE LAUGHS

0:14:05 > 0:14:08It's clear Nile loves his toys.

0:14:09 > 0:14:12But where does mum, Rebecca, think that comes from?

0:14:14 > 0:14:19Pre-having him, I was a big fan of the nurture argument.

0:14:19 > 0:14:22I always thought it's how you bring them up, it's what you do with them,

0:14:22 > 0:14:24it's what you expose them to.

0:14:24 > 0:14:26Then I had Nile.

0:14:26 > 0:14:29And far more is ingrained,

0:14:29 > 0:14:34far more is part of Nile than I ever realised.

0:14:34 > 0:14:38I had a bit of an anti-gun rule until he started school,

0:14:38 > 0:14:41but then he made them out of Lego and sticks and everything,

0:14:41 > 0:14:43and one day he said,

0:14:43 > 0:14:47"Look, Mum, I've got a handgun, you can't take this one off me."

0:14:47 > 0:14:49And I knew about that point

0:14:49 > 0:14:53I'd probably lost the weaponry argument.

0:14:53 > 0:14:56It's totally, totally changed my view of all of it.

0:14:56 > 0:14:58Well, if that is the case, then what

0:14:58 > 0:15:01we're trying to do could actually be very difficult.

0:15:01 > 0:15:02I think you're going to struggle.

0:15:02 > 0:15:04Thanks, Nile.

0:15:04 > 0:15:06- Bye.- Thanks for showing me your toys, OK?

0:15:06 > 0:15:08- Bye-bye. Thanks a lot.- OK.

0:15:08 > 0:15:11Children occupy a world where adults

0:15:11 > 0:15:13are giving them messages constantly

0:15:13 > 0:15:16about what it means to be a boy or a girl,

0:15:16 > 0:15:19so parents who say that it's in their child's nature

0:15:19 > 0:15:24just to act a certain way or to like certain toys, it came from them.

0:15:24 > 0:15:28And they in turn received the same messages from their parents

0:15:28 > 0:15:32and so on and so forth. The cycle just goes on.

0:15:32 > 0:15:37And I believe this influence isn't just limited to choosing toys.

0:15:37 > 0:15:41It's also found in the clothes parents buy for their children.

0:15:41 > 0:15:44Best ever bro. Cool dude.

0:15:44 > 0:15:48So let's just see what the equivalent for the girls is.

0:15:48 > 0:15:50So if we go to girls... Oh, God.

0:15:50 > 0:15:54I'm finding this upsetting, looking through these clothing websites.

0:15:54 > 0:15:56Nearly all of the online stores I've looked at here

0:15:56 > 0:15:59start with a girls-boys tab.

0:15:59 > 0:16:03So straight away you're separating the clothing,

0:16:03 > 0:16:06and then when you look at it, it's mainly pink and blue.

0:16:06 > 0:16:09It's not just that, it's the slogans.

0:16:09 > 0:16:12For example, this one for girls - forever beautiful.

0:16:12 > 0:16:14This one for boys - here comes trouble.

0:16:14 > 0:16:15They seem pretty harmless,

0:16:15 > 0:16:18and I think lots of people would dress their children in that,

0:16:18 > 0:16:21but I wonder if parents even think about that,

0:16:21 > 0:16:23or even are aware of the link between the slogans

0:16:23 > 0:16:25and how their children think.

0:16:25 > 0:16:29So I am going to design some T-shirts to really explore that.

0:16:36 > 0:16:40I'm going to put my T-shirts with my slogans alongside the ones from the

0:16:40 > 0:16:44shops to see if the parents at Lanesend see any harm in it at all.

0:16:44 > 0:16:47Do you want to stay and hear about the T-shirts?

0:16:47 > 0:16:50- I've got another child to pick up. - OK.

0:16:50 > 0:16:53But first, I just need the parents to stop for a minute.

0:16:53 > 0:16:57Would you like to stay and wait and watch a T-shirt exhibit I've got?

0:16:57 > 0:16:59- I can't, I've got to go somewhere, but thank you.- OK.

0:16:59 > 0:17:02Are you sure you don't want to stop, Maisy's mum?

0:17:02 > 0:17:04- Sorry, I can't. - It's really interesting.

0:17:04 > 0:17:06- Is it?- Can you wait and see something on the T-shirts,

0:17:06 > 0:17:08I've got something to say. No?

0:17:08 > 0:17:10You're happy not to stay?

0:17:10 > 0:17:11George, nice to meet you.

0:17:11 > 0:17:15Eventually, a few parents come over to take a look.

0:17:15 > 0:17:16- Hello.- Hello.

0:17:16 > 0:17:18Here are the parents and the kids, how are you doing?

0:17:18 > 0:17:20So, today, I wanted to show you some T-shirts

0:17:20 > 0:17:22and get your ideas about what they say.

0:17:22 > 0:17:25So, what do you think of this? Forever beautiful.

0:17:25 > 0:17:27Would you let your daughter wear this?

0:17:27 > 0:17:30Yeah? Seems pretty OK.

0:17:30 > 0:17:32Well, what about

0:17:32 > 0:17:33looks are everything?

0:17:33 > 0:17:37Shake of the head. Did you know that in Mr Andre's class in the school,

0:17:37 > 0:17:40when girls were asked to describe themselves,

0:17:40 > 0:17:44they only used words like lipstick, pretty...

0:17:44 > 0:17:47One of them even used the word ugly to describe themselves.

0:17:47 > 0:17:49And then the next one that says, "Boys are better."

0:17:49 > 0:17:51- Would you dress your daughter in that?- No.

0:17:51 > 0:17:53- Would you wear it?- No.

0:17:53 > 0:17:58When we asked the girls, "Who do you think are better, boys or girls?"

0:17:58 > 0:18:01all of them except one said boys are better.

0:18:01 > 0:18:03Made to be underpaid.

0:18:03 > 0:18:06You all disagree? OK. But I think it's a sequence.

0:18:06 > 0:18:10I think when you start putting your daughter in this, forever beautiful,

0:18:10 > 0:18:12you are just telling her that looks are everything,

0:18:12 > 0:18:14they end up thinking boys are better,

0:18:14 > 0:18:18and that results in them being made to be underpaid.

0:18:19 > 0:18:22At first, I didn't really see the problem,

0:18:22 > 0:18:25but as it progressed through the line of T-shirts and slogans

0:18:25 > 0:18:28I could see the link between the first one and all the others.

0:18:28 > 0:18:31It kind of makes something that seems so innocent

0:18:31 > 0:18:33not really that innocent after all.

0:18:33 > 0:18:35To be honest with you, I never

0:18:35 > 0:18:39thought about it much, about these things.

0:18:39 > 0:18:41We stereotype our kids,

0:18:41 > 0:18:46and the girls only be pretty, only appearance, OK,

0:18:46 > 0:18:49not talking about what actually, potentially, the girls can be.

0:18:51 > 0:18:53And it's not just girls.

0:18:53 > 0:18:55So, what does that say?

0:18:55 > 0:18:57Here comes trouble.

0:18:57 > 0:19:00Would you put your little boy in that? Seems pretty OK.

0:19:00 > 0:19:01Boys don't cry.

0:19:01 > 0:19:03Wrong.

0:19:03 > 0:19:06Yeah? Would you let your boy wear that T-shirt?

0:19:06 > 0:19:07- Or buy it for him?- No.

0:19:07 > 0:19:12No? How about - tough guys don't talk?

0:19:12 > 0:19:13- No?- Wrong.

0:19:13 > 0:19:16Finally - bottled up and ready to burst.

0:19:16 > 0:19:19How many of you see your little boys unable to express themselves,

0:19:19 > 0:19:21getting all frustrated and angry?

0:19:21 > 0:19:24We did a little experiment in Mr Andre's class,

0:19:24 > 0:19:28and the boys were unable to use as many words to describe

0:19:28 > 0:19:30different emotions as the girls.

0:19:30 > 0:19:33And the only emotion they could describe as well as the girls

0:19:33 > 0:19:35was anger. That's disturbing.

0:19:35 > 0:19:38For me, again, it's a sequence.

0:19:38 > 0:19:40When you put your boy in this T-shirt, which seems...

0:19:40 > 0:19:42"Here comes trouble," isn't that fun?

0:19:42 > 0:19:46Well, it ends up being "bottled up and ready to burst."

0:19:46 > 0:19:49I think it's something that we are maybe doing subconsciously,

0:19:49 > 0:19:51because it's not something I've considered before.

0:19:51 > 0:19:53Because I think I grew up the same way.

0:19:53 > 0:19:56I was always taught that, yeah, boys are tough and things like that.

0:19:56 > 0:19:57Now it's been pointed out to me,

0:19:57 > 0:20:01I can definitely see the way that the message is being reinforced.

0:20:01 > 0:20:03And certainly, I'd think twice before putting my little boy

0:20:03 > 0:20:07in a T-shirt that says, "Here comes trouble," I think, definitely.

0:20:07 > 0:20:11When I finally managed to stop some parents, they were really shocked,

0:20:11 > 0:20:15actually, and I think I might have really got them to think hard

0:20:15 > 0:20:17about what clothes they put their children in.

0:20:17 > 0:20:24And I actually genuinely feel really frustrated that I couldn't have got

0:20:24 > 0:20:26many, many more parents to stop and listen.

0:20:30 > 0:20:33I think I need to step things up a little.

0:20:33 > 0:20:35Everything the children are saying...

0:20:35 > 0:20:40Boys are cleverer because most mathematicians are boys.

0:20:40 > 0:20:45Blue is for boys and pink is for girls.

0:20:45 > 0:20:48All you really see girls doing

0:20:48 > 0:20:50is having fun on their phones or maybe singing

0:20:50 > 0:20:56and they don't really do anything big like, um, being astronauts.

0:20:56 > 0:21:00And all I've learnt from the testing at the beginning of term

0:21:00 > 0:21:03is telling me that the issues these children are facing

0:21:03 > 0:21:06are too big to fix, just in the classroom.

0:21:09 > 0:21:12So if the parents aren't going to engage voluntarily,

0:21:12 > 0:21:14I'm going to have to be a bit more direct.

0:21:16 > 0:21:18I'm going to get the parents involved,

0:21:18 > 0:21:19but it's not going to be easy

0:21:19 > 0:21:23because they're not thinking that they're doing anything wrong.

0:21:23 > 0:21:24So what I've done is,

0:21:24 > 0:21:28I've put together some exercises for them to do.

0:21:28 > 0:21:32For example, some gender word associations,

0:21:32 > 0:21:34so there's a long list of words here

0:21:34 > 0:21:36and I'd like the parents to sit down,

0:21:36 > 0:21:38communicate with their children

0:21:38 > 0:21:42and decide whether they think the word is

0:21:42 > 0:21:45more associated with boys, girls or both.

0:21:45 > 0:21:48Other things, including household chores.

0:21:48 > 0:21:51I'd like to get them to change what they do at home,

0:21:51 > 0:21:53to try and show their children

0:21:53 > 0:21:57that both Mum and Dad can do all the chores.

0:21:57 > 0:21:59I'm also going to include some plastic sacks

0:21:59 > 0:22:02and I'd like them to put into those sacks anything in the house

0:22:02 > 0:22:04that's got messages on it that's

0:22:04 > 0:22:08reinforcing differences between the sexes.

0:22:08 > 0:22:11OK, get your things.

0:22:11 > 0:22:13Off you go.

0:22:13 > 0:22:16I've got Graham to ask the parents to stay behind

0:22:16 > 0:22:18to pick up their homework.

0:22:19 > 0:22:21OK. Parents.

0:22:23 > 0:22:25You know how the kids have homework?

0:22:26 > 0:22:28That's parents' homework.

0:22:28 > 0:22:29Yay!

0:22:29 > 0:22:31It's only a few hours of the day in there,

0:22:31 > 0:22:33and there's quite a few hours at home,

0:22:33 > 0:22:36so we want to try and get

0:22:36 > 0:22:40the most out of this experiment as possible, OK?

0:22:40 > 0:22:44So, there are quite a few asks in here.

0:22:44 > 0:22:47Ranging from the way you speak,

0:22:47 > 0:22:49the activities you do,

0:22:49 > 0:22:52the chores you do and who does them.

0:22:52 > 0:22:56These sacks are for you, please,

0:22:56 > 0:23:00to declutter the bedroom of anything that's excessively gendered.

0:23:02 > 0:23:05So, for the girls, all the pink, princessy things

0:23:05 > 0:23:10and for the boys, all the superhero guns.

0:23:10 > 0:23:11How many sacks have you got there?

0:23:11 > 0:23:15Four. Four big sacks.

0:23:15 > 0:23:17Do you think this is going to be easy?

0:23:17 > 0:23:19- No.- No, there was a firm no from Riley's mum.- Yep.

0:23:19 > 0:23:22- He's strong-willed, isn't he? - He's very strong willed.

0:23:22 > 0:23:25You can relate what you are doing in the house to

0:23:25 > 0:23:28what's been happening in the classroom and link it up.

0:23:28 > 0:23:31Just say, "Right, tell me what you've been doing in the classroom."

0:23:31 > 0:23:33If it's positive, I'd like, now,

0:23:33 > 0:23:36to do that at home and this is part of that process.

0:23:36 > 0:23:39Take one of these A4 pockets and pass them out.

0:23:39 > 0:23:42And here are your sacks.

0:23:42 > 0:23:45I can imagine the sacks are going to be hard.

0:23:45 > 0:23:49I've just realised how girlie everything Maisy owns is.

0:23:51 > 0:23:54We have a wardrobe for dressing up princess dresses!

0:23:54 > 0:23:55So have I!

0:23:57 > 0:23:59- That's hard, isn't it?- What's that?

0:23:59 > 0:24:00- Nicknames.- Nicknames.

0:24:00 > 0:24:03To stop that, yes. Mr Andre has been doing that in the class.

0:24:03 > 0:24:07And he thought, losing that sort of...

0:24:07 > 0:24:09It's a tenderness, losing that tenderness,

0:24:09 > 0:24:11that nickname might be negative on the children

0:24:11 > 0:24:14but he hasn't seen any of that.

0:24:14 > 0:24:15So, a little bit of homework.

0:24:17 > 0:24:21Sometimes I might say, you know, "You get your beauty sleep" or,

0:24:21 > 0:24:24"Get your sleep like a princess."

0:24:24 > 0:24:26So I may have to change that.

0:24:26 > 0:24:27Nicknames and that,

0:24:27 > 0:24:30probably he doesn't really pay much attention to.

0:24:30 > 0:24:32It goes in one ear and out the other when they're that age, doesn't it?

0:24:32 > 0:24:38Toys, it really is only iPad, PlayStation or football.

0:24:38 > 0:24:42Nerf guns every so often, but, then, he does play that with his sister.

0:24:42 > 0:24:44Doesn't that count?

0:24:44 > 0:24:46Do they have to be taken away?

0:24:46 > 0:24:49His is boys' and hers is pink, I must admit.

0:24:50 > 0:24:53There are going to be some things in there that the kids themselves are

0:24:53 > 0:24:56going to resist and then the parents are going to find that very hard to

0:24:56 > 0:24:58execute. It's easy enough for the parents to say,

0:24:58 > 0:25:00"Yes, we are going to do this."

0:25:00 > 0:25:02But let's see if they actually do it.

0:25:05 > 0:25:08If I'm going to remove all the differences

0:25:08 > 0:25:09from the children's school day,

0:25:09 > 0:25:12there's one thing I just can't ignore.

0:25:13 > 0:25:15I've got a potentially controversial idea.

0:25:15 > 0:25:17What I want to do is really challenge the idea

0:25:17 > 0:25:19in the boys' and girls' minds

0:25:19 > 0:25:23that they are different, by making them equal in the toilet.

0:25:23 > 0:25:25At home, toilets are unisex.

0:25:25 > 0:25:28In nurseries, they're unisex and, increasingly,

0:25:28 > 0:25:31in larger numbers of workplaces, they're unisex,

0:25:31 > 0:25:33so why not when you're seven?

0:25:38 > 0:25:41- Mr Andre?- Hello, Javid. - CHILDREN:- Hello, Javid.

0:25:41 > 0:25:44Good morning. Good, good. I'd like to borrow the kids, if I can.

0:25:44 > 0:25:45Is that all right?

0:25:47 > 0:25:49Quickly, come with me, kids.

0:25:49 > 0:25:52- Javid, what are we doing? - You'll find out.

0:25:52 > 0:25:54Come with me.

0:25:56 > 0:25:58Stick together.

0:25:58 > 0:26:00Ronnie, Owen, keep coming.

0:26:00 > 0:26:03OK. We've been doing loads of work in class.

0:26:03 > 0:26:05We've been doing loads of work with Mr Andre, isn't that right?

0:26:05 > 0:26:08Learning lots, OK?

0:26:08 > 0:26:11So, you've got to start going to the same toilet.

0:26:11 > 0:26:14- No!- No!- No!

0:26:14 > 0:26:18So this ladies is now going to become unisex.

0:26:22 > 0:26:25By getting the children to share the toilet,

0:26:25 > 0:26:28I hope to encourage them to start seeing themselves as equals.

0:26:30 > 0:26:32Is it pink in there, still?

0:26:32 > 0:26:34It is, Riley, yeah, it is. GROANS

0:26:34 > 0:26:36I haven't got round to painting it. We may not.

0:26:36 > 0:26:37Will you paint it blue?

0:26:37 > 0:26:41So, this is now your Class Three toilet.

0:26:41 > 0:26:42LAUGHTER AND GROANS

0:26:42 > 0:26:43- OK?- I need a wee right now.

0:26:43 > 0:26:45Who wants to go right now?

0:26:45 > 0:26:46ALL: Me!

0:26:49 > 0:26:54I think it was a good idea for boys and girls to share, because,

0:26:54 > 0:27:00like, the boys know what girls' toilets are like.

0:27:02 > 0:27:04Do you want to share your toilet with boys?

0:27:04 > 0:27:05- No.- Why not?

0:27:06 > 0:27:10Because I've never shared one with a boy.

0:27:11 > 0:27:15So, do you think it's quite cool you get to use the girls' toilets now?

0:27:15 > 0:27:16No, don't like it.

0:27:16 > 0:27:19- You don't like it?- No.- Why not?

0:27:19 > 0:27:21Just don't like it.

0:27:21 > 0:27:24If you think about it, you think it's a bit gross, and a bit like,

0:27:24 > 0:27:26"Oh, that's weird."

0:27:26 > 0:27:30Do you think it might help boys and girls to understand each other more?

0:27:30 > 0:27:32No.

0:27:32 > 0:27:35This is clearly going to be a challenge for the children,

0:27:35 > 0:27:38but while they get used to sharing their toilet...

0:27:40 > 0:27:42..I want to catch up with the parents

0:27:42 > 0:27:46and see what progress they've made with the homework I set them.

0:27:47 > 0:27:51Part of the homework was word association,

0:27:51 > 0:27:55going through lists of words often considered to have masculine or

0:27:55 > 0:27:56feminine characteristics...

0:27:59 > 0:28:02- Hello.- Hello.- How are you? - I'm fine, thank you.

0:28:02 > 0:28:05- Hi, Maisy, how is it? Are you good? - Come on in.

0:28:05 > 0:28:08..and challenging the meaning that children attach to them.

0:28:09 > 0:28:13I'm keen to see how that's been going.

0:28:13 > 0:28:17So this was the exercise where you had to do word association.

0:28:17 > 0:28:18- Yeah.- A whole list of words,

0:28:18 > 0:28:23whether they were associated with boys or girls or both.

0:28:23 > 0:28:26And she has put every single one in both, that's interesting.

0:28:26 > 0:28:28And there are words like skipping rope.

0:28:28 > 0:28:30- Yeah.- Sewing...

0:28:30 > 0:28:32But there's also war, you know?

0:28:32 > 0:28:35I didn't know if she thought they should go in both.

0:28:35 > 0:28:36- Yes.- So I said to her at one point,

0:28:36 > 0:28:38which she told me off because she said,

0:28:38 > 0:28:41"Javid said there is no right answer."

0:28:41 > 0:28:43Got a little telling off there!

0:28:43 > 0:28:47I kind of prompted her to put it in boy or girl just to see

0:28:47 > 0:28:50and she was adamant, "No, no, both."

0:28:50 > 0:28:53And she'd give me explanations and reasons why both do it.

0:28:53 > 0:28:54OK, great.

0:28:54 > 0:28:56It's encouraging that

0:28:56 > 0:28:59Maisy and her mum are starting to think differently.

0:28:59 > 0:29:00OK...

0:29:00 > 0:29:04But before I congratulate myself that the homework intervention is

0:29:04 > 0:29:10a success, there is still the small issue of bagging up the girlie toys.

0:29:10 > 0:29:12And from the look of things,

0:29:12 > 0:29:16it's something that Michelle hasn't even attempted.

0:29:16 > 0:29:20So, I mean, the idea is to be quite strict, really,

0:29:20 > 0:29:22- anything that's gendered.- OK.

0:29:22 > 0:29:25We have a whole lot of princess going on.

0:29:25 > 0:29:27Wow!

0:29:27 > 0:29:30- Gosh, I'm afraid that has to go. - OK.

0:29:30 > 0:29:32This does seem a bit cruel.

0:29:32 > 0:29:35- I know.- We want Maisy to understand that, you know,

0:29:35 > 0:29:38- she can aspire to more than just being a princess.- A princess.

0:29:38 > 0:29:41This is actually quite an epic one, this.

0:29:41 > 0:29:43That was a birthday party dress.

0:29:43 > 0:29:45We did do princesses and pirates.

0:29:45 > 0:29:47Did any of the girls come as pirates?

0:29:47 > 0:29:50Yes, I did have girlie pirates, well, girl pirates.

0:29:50 > 0:29:52Any boys come as princesses?

0:29:52 > 0:29:53- No.- No.

0:29:55 > 0:29:58- All right. - The Barbie dolls, we have many.

0:29:58 > 0:30:01- Yes.- Outta here! - Yeah, so we'll take them out.

0:30:02 > 0:30:03Emoji cushions.

0:30:03 > 0:30:05- They can stay.- They can stay?

0:30:05 > 0:30:06Ah, so we are finding one or two.

0:30:06 > 0:30:09- Yeah.- One or two toys that aren't skewed.

0:30:11 > 0:30:13It is overly girlie.

0:30:13 > 0:30:15I don't think I realised until it was in a bag

0:30:15 > 0:30:18how girlie it was, actually.

0:30:19 > 0:30:22I don't know how Maisy's going to react.

0:30:22 > 0:30:25Maybe she's going to be a bit upset, I think.

0:30:28 > 0:30:30You know what you're doing at school?

0:30:30 > 0:30:32- Yeah.- All the changes that we've made there?

0:30:32 > 0:30:35We're trying to just continue that at home,

0:30:35 > 0:30:39so that you get the fullest idea.

0:30:39 > 0:30:41- Does that make sense?- Yeah.

0:30:43 > 0:30:45- Bye-bye.- Bye.

0:30:45 > 0:30:50I know that children of Maisy's age choose many of their own toys,

0:30:50 > 0:30:54but it seems to me that isn't much of a choice if their options are

0:30:54 > 0:30:58limited by a world that only offers them pink for girls

0:30:58 > 0:31:00and blue for boys.

0:31:00 > 0:31:02I think it goes some way to explain

0:31:02 > 0:31:07why men and women follow such different paths in life.

0:31:07 > 0:31:10Research by the Institute of Engineers found that

0:31:10 > 0:31:12toys with a science and engineering focus

0:31:12 > 0:31:16were three times more likely to be targeted at boys.

0:31:16 > 0:31:18It seems like tough love,

0:31:18 > 0:31:22but this parent homework is about changing the environment, and,

0:31:22 > 0:31:25in this case, removing the toys is all about

0:31:25 > 0:31:28levelling out the skill differences through play.

0:31:28 > 0:31:31Now, for me, it's all about the bigger picture.

0:31:31 > 0:31:34I really hope all the parents get this idea.

0:31:38 > 0:31:42If there's one thing I've learned from visiting the children's homes,

0:31:42 > 0:31:46it's that they really love their toys and it doesn't seem fair to me

0:31:46 > 0:31:49to remove them without offering them a replacement.

0:31:49 > 0:31:52CHEERING

0:31:52 > 0:31:56But I want to prove when we see Nile with his guns

0:31:56 > 0:31:58or Maisy with her dolls,

0:31:58 > 0:32:02it's a preference that is, in many ways, learned.

0:32:02 > 0:32:07I want to see what will happen if I give them toys where I've removed

0:32:07 > 0:32:09all packaging that would normally tell a child

0:32:09 > 0:32:11if a toy was for a boy or a girl.

0:32:12 > 0:32:15Inside the paper bags are some toys.

0:32:15 > 0:32:16Look at my bag!

0:32:20 > 0:32:23I've given the children either a marble run,

0:32:23 > 0:32:26a teddy bear sewing kit,

0:32:26 > 0:32:28an arts and crafts set

0:32:28 > 0:32:30or a robot model.

0:32:30 > 0:32:31Ooh, it's a model.

0:32:34 > 0:32:37What..do you do...

0:32:37 > 0:32:39with four gloves?

0:32:43 > 0:32:45That goes there.

0:32:45 > 0:32:47Which one do you like better, the bear or the bunny?

0:32:47 > 0:32:49The one boyish.

0:32:55 > 0:32:58The next morning, I'm keen to see how the children got on.

0:33:00 > 0:33:03So I've asked them to design a poster for their toy.

0:33:04 > 0:33:10I think it's, like, aimed at boys, because it's kind of green.

0:33:10 > 0:33:15Boys buy that stuff, because of what the outside package looks like.

0:33:15 > 0:33:16- Yeah.- Most of the time,

0:33:16 > 0:33:20because they make it look more girlie or more boyish, don't they?

0:33:20 > 0:33:23Yeah. I actually agree with that, completely.

0:33:23 > 0:33:27Completely, wow, I've never heard you say that before!

0:33:28 > 0:33:31These new toys have become a talking point for the class.

0:33:31 > 0:33:34- Riley, what do you think about it? - I think it's for boys and girls.

0:33:34 > 0:33:37If there were lots and lots of things in a shop,

0:33:37 > 0:33:39would you buy something like this, normally?

0:33:39 > 0:33:44That's hard, because I'd get Lego,

0:33:44 > 0:33:48I would get a football thing, I'd get...

0:33:50 > 0:33:52I like a Build-A-Bear teddy.

0:33:52 > 0:33:55So you wouldn't normally go for something like this,

0:33:55 > 0:33:57but because it was given to you, have you enjoyed it though?

0:33:57 > 0:34:00- Yeah.- Yeah, so do you think you'd do something like this again?

0:34:00 > 0:34:02- Yeah.- Do you think? Thank you.

0:34:02 > 0:34:06When I first opened it, I was like, "Mum, they gave me a boy thing."

0:34:06 > 0:34:09Then when I actually started doing it,

0:34:09 > 0:34:12I got really into it and I begged Mum to go to town

0:34:12 > 0:34:14and buy me some more stuff like this.

0:34:14 > 0:34:16- Really? That's really nice. - So they did.

0:34:16 > 0:34:20I think they're for boys and girls, even though the packaging,

0:34:20 > 0:34:23they usually make it look really girlie or really boyish.

0:34:27 > 0:34:31I'm particularly pleased with Riley, who loved his sewing kit.

0:34:31 > 0:34:33- My mum couldn't make it. - Couldn't she?

0:34:33 > 0:34:36- No.- So you had to do it? - I had to.- Did you?

0:34:36 > 0:34:39Hopefully, this will see him on the path to a whole new range

0:34:39 > 0:34:42of creative and nurturing skills,

0:34:42 > 0:34:45which should be reflected in his scores for empathy

0:34:45 > 0:34:48and emotional vocab when we retest the class.

0:34:50 > 0:34:52I think yours goes backwards.

0:34:52 > 0:34:56- That's...- No, cos that's why the eyes go there, the eyes are there so

0:34:56 > 0:34:59it goes forwards, so it can see.

0:34:59 > 0:35:00It seems clear to me

0:35:00 > 0:35:04that if you take pink and blue out of the equation

0:35:04 > 0:35:07and encourage children to play with a wider range of toys,

0:35:07 > 0:35:10they'll like them. It has an effect.

0:35:10 > 0:35:15For the boys, like Riley, to develop creativity and nurturing skills.

0:35:15 > 0:35:17While most of the girls have

0:35:17 > 0:35:20taken to the construction toys like ducks to water.

0:35:27 > 0:35:31It's been a while since I introduced the unisex toilets to the children.

0:35:32 > 0:35:35My hope was that by using the same toilet,

0:35:35 > 0:35:39the children would see themselves as equals.

0:35:39 > 0:35:41But are they happy about the change?

0:35:43 > 0:35:47It was better before with just the girls, because it was really quiet.

0:35:47 > 0:35:50I don't like it cos when I went to the toilet,

0:35:50 > 0:35:53I saw the boys all coming out and they didn't wash their hands

0:35:53 > 0:35:56and that was pretty gross, and they didn't flush.

0:35:56 > 0:35:58The boys' toilets are the four toilets,

0:35:58 > 0:36:01so you don't have to wait as long.

0:36:01 > 0:36:04The boys are really annoying in there.

0:36:04 > 0:36:07Since the toilets has been boys' and girls'

0:36:07 > 0:36:11I've been trying to hold it all day, and it's been really hard.

0:36:11 > 0:36:15I want it to go back to boys' and girls' separate toilets.

0:36:17 > 0:36:21It looks like I've succeeded in making the children equal -

0:36:21 > 0:36:23equally unhappy with my same-sex toilet.

0:36:31 > 0:36:33When I first met Graham's class,

0:36:33 > 0:36:37it was striking how strong their opinions were when it came

0:36:37 > 0:36:39to the roles of men and women in society.

0:36:42 > 0:36:46Girls look after the child and boys do lots of cool stuff.

0:36:48 > 0:36:50If the woman has a child,

0:36:50 > 0:36:54the men have to go to work and earn some money.

0:36:55 > 0:36:59These are very set ideas about who does what

0:36:59 > 0:37:01when it comes to life at home.

0:37:02 > 0:37:04Mums wash up...

0:37:06 > 0:37:08..and do the dinners.

0:37:10 > 0:37:14But they also reflect what the children think

0:37:14 > 0:37:15men and women can achieve.

0:37:15 > 0:37:17If they go unchallenged,

0:37:17 > 0:37:20then equality in adult life is never going to happen.

0:37:21 > 0:37:26Men usually just lie on the sofa and snore.

0:37:36 > 0:37:39So, as part of the homework I set the parents,

0:37:39 > 0:37:41I wanted to challenge these ideas,

0:37:41 > 0:37:45especially when it came to getting dads up off the sofa.

0:37:46 > 0:37:50What is surprising is that the children are telling me one thing

0:37:50 > 0:37:53about how the chores are shared at home,

0:37:53 > 0:37:56but the dads are telling me something very different.

0:37:58 > 0:38:01I don't think there's a difference between me and my wife.

0:38:01 > 0:38:03I cook, she cooks.

0:38:03 > 0:38:05I do gardening, she does gardening,

0:38:05 > 0:38:07everything is equal in our family,

0:38:07 > 0:38:09and it should be, you know, like that.

0:38:09 > 0:38:13- A bit more, do you think? - Yeah, put some more on.

0:38:13 > 0:38:15And the facts are on the children's side.

0:38:15 > 0:38:17- Yeah.- Yeah?

0:38:17 > 0:38:20A study by the Office of National Statistics found that,

0:38:20 > 0:38:25across the country, women do 60% more unpaid work -

0:38:25 > 0:38:28cooking, childcare, housework - than men.

0:38:28 > 0:38:31- What do you think of that then, Gracie?- Good.

0:38:31 > 0:38:32- Good?- Good.

0:38:32 > 0:38:34Can I have a taste test first?

0:38:34 > 0:38:35Yeah, do you want a bit?

0:38:37 > 0:38:38Out of ten?

0:38:41 > 0:38:43- Ten.- Ten!

0:38:43 > 0:38:44Wow.

0:38:46 > 0:38:49What is shocking is that there is no reason to think that

0:38:49 > 0:38:53these dads don't help out, but even when they do,

0:38:53 > 0:38:57it has no effect on the children's assumptions about who should,

0:38:57 > 0:38:59in their minds, be doing these jobs.

0:39:03 > 0:39:04I want to see what will happen

0:39:04 > 0:39:07when the children are given the opportunity

0:39:07 > 0:39:10to take on these jobs outside the classroom.

0:39:10 > 0:39:12Here we go! Who's excited?

0:39:12 > 0:39:14CHEERING

0:39:16 > 0:39:18Will they go with their assumptions,

0:39:18 > 0:39:21or will having seen their dads up their commitment to domestic chores

0:39:21 > 0:39:24at home have rubbed off?

0:39:24 > 0:39:26Who can see the sea?

0:39:26 > 0:39:28- ALL:- Me!

0:39:28 > 0:39:33So I've organised a school day-trip to the beach to find out.

0:39:33 > 0:39:35Oh! That sand feels good, doesn't it?

0:39:36 > 0:39:39I've set up two tasks for the children.

0:39:39 > 0:39:42Build a fire pit, and make a picnic.

0:39:43 > 0:39:46At the start of my time on the Isle of Wight,

0:39:46 > 0:39:47I've no doubt that these children

0:39:47 > 0:39:51would have thought that picnic-making was a woman's job.

0:39:51 > 0:39:53And that fire-making was a man's.

0:39:54 > 0:39:56I want to see if those views have changed.

0:39:57 > 0:40:01I'd like you guys to just start prepping the beach area.

0:40:01 > 0:40:04Some of you need to start preparing the picnic.

0:40:04 > 0:40:06And some of you need to start preparing the firewood,

0:40:06 > 0:40:08to toast marshmallows later.

0:40:08 > 0:40:11Decide between yourselves who's going to do what,

0:40:11 > 0:40:14while Mr Andre and I start preparing the activities.

0:40:14 > 0:40:15OK?

0:40:18 > 0:40:19I want to do the picnic.

0:40:22 > 0:40:26They just split into two, almost equal numbers of groups,

0:40:26 > 0:40:29- I think it's 10 and 12. - It is, yes.

0:40:29 > 0:40:32I thought they'd all go for the fire pit.

0:40:32 > 0:40:34You know, it's quite an exciting thing.

0:40:34 > 0:40:37Actually, in terms of boys and girls,

0:40:37 > 0:40:40I think there are just more girls on this one, on the picnic group.

0:40:40 > 0:40:43I'm surprised about which boys are actually at the picnic group.

0:40:43 > 0:40:47You've got Bradley, Riley and Finn.

0:40:47 > 0:40:51So, actually, three of the strongest footballing-type boys.

0:40:51 > 0:40:53It's a great start.

0:40:53 > 0:40:57Girls seem to have grown in confidence and assertiveness.

0:40:57 > 0:41:01- Oh, no.- We need to put up the... - Yeah.

0:41:01 > 0:41:03I think Lily's conducting an orchestra there.

0:41:03 > 0:41:05Yes, Lily's just taken over, hasn't she?

0:41:05 > 0:41:08What can we use to put all the vegetables in?

0:41:08 > 0:41:10She seems to have an idea of what needs to be...

0:41:10 > 0:41:12She's very much in the centre.

0:41:12 > 0:41:14Yes. And the others seem to be going with that.

0:41:14 > 0:41:16You can still dig with your hands.

0:41:16 > 0:41:18Funnily enough, it's Kara

0:41:18 > 0:41:20who seems to have taken a bit of charge on this one...

0:41:20 > 0:41:22I'm going to flatten it.

0:41:22 > 0:41:25..and brought the group together to work.

0:41:25 > 0:41:29And the boys are happy doing a task that just a few weeks ago,

0:41:29 > 0:41:31they never would have tried.

0:41:31 > 0:41:33They need to be thinner, don't they?

0:41:33 > 0:41:37Cut them in quarters. Cut them in halves. Cut them in halves.

0:41:37 > 0:41:40I've got it!

0:41:40 > 0:41:42I'll teach you how to do it.

0:41:42 > 0:41:46But before long, some of the boys revert to type.

0:41:49 > 0:41:53So, Riley and Bradley seem to be doing their own task over there,

0:41:53 > 0:41:56- is that right?- Yeah!- We're trying to make World War II.

0:41:56 > 0:41:58Why have you stopped doing this?

0:41:58 > 0:41:59Because it's hard.

0:41:59 > 0:42:01Why is it hard?

0:42:01 > 0:42:05Because, like, if I'm not a girl, like, every time...

0:42:05 > 0:42:06Riley!

0:42:06 > 0:42:08This is my trench.

0:42:08 > 0:42:10So what made you come over here?

0:42:10 > 0:42:12We got bored doing that.

0:42:12 > 0:42:13- Doing the picnic?- Yeah.

0:42:13 > 0:42:15- Why?- It's for girls.

0:42:15 > 0:42:17Right, it would be good if you could go back to what you started

0:42:17 > 0:42:19doing, please. Is that OK?

0:42:19 > 0:42:21THEY GROAN We can't have a third activity.

0:42:21 > 0:42:24Come on. Good job.

0:42:24 > 0:42:25Come on, Bradley, come on, Riley.

0:42:25 > 0:42:27There's still some, sort of,

0:42:27 > 0:42:29stereotypical behaviour going on here.

0:42:29 > 0:42:32Particularly with the few of the boys losing interest really quickly

0:42:32 > 0:42:34when preparing the picnic.

0:42:34 > 0:42:36You know, you ask Riley, "Why did you get bored of it?"

0:42:36 > 0:42:37"Oh, well, it's for girls."

0:42:37 > 0:42:39That might just be because it reflects what their

0:42:39 > 0:42:41day-to-day activity might have been at the beach.

0:42:41 > 0:42:44Mum would prepare the picnic. Dad prepare the fire.

0:42:44 > 0:42:48That's exactly what I'm trying to challenge here today.

0:42:48 > 0:42:50OK, let's all have lunch, kids.

0:42:50 > 0:42:52CHEERING

0:42:52 > 0:42:53Come and sit down.

0:42:57 > 0:42:59These sandwiches are amazing.

0:42:59 > 0:43:00I made those sandwiches.

0:43:05 > 0:43:08What's a trip to the seaside without beach games?

0:43:09 > 0:43:12And over my time with the children

0:43:12 > 0:43:16I've learned that one game has a huge amount of power over the boys.

0:43:17 > 0:43:21It's how they define themselves, and girls are very much excluded.

0:43:23 > 0:43:26When I grow up, I want to be a football player.

0:43:26 > 0:43:29Who's better at football, boys or girls?

0:43:29 > 0:43:31- Boys.- Why?

0:43:31 > 0:43:32Because...

0:43:33 > 0:43:34..they just are.

0:43:36 > 0:43:38Do you ever play with the boys at playtime?

0:43:38 > 0:43:40Not often.

0:43:40 > 0:43:42Because they are usually playing football.

0:43:42 > 0:43:44When the boys play it, it gets a bit rough.

0:43:47 > 0:43:49Football seems to be massive currency at the school,

0:43:49 > 0:43:51particularly for the boys, of course.

0:43:51 > 0:43:55How good you are at it, how much you know about it

0:43:55 > 0:43:57really seems to define you as a boy's boy.

0:43:57 > 0:43:59But I've talked to some of the girls,

0:43:59 > 0:44:02and they actually really want to play, they just don't have a chance.

0:44:02 > 0:44:05Right, kids.

0:44:05 > 0:44:08- Football!- Football!

0:44:08 > 0:44:11Look at Riley. I haven't even said what we are doing yet, Riley.

0:44:11 > 0:44:14The activity this afternoon is football.

0:44:14 > 0:44:15SOME CHEERS

0:44:15 > 0:44:19There's going to be a match at the end of the day.

0:44:19 > 0:44:21But you've got to practise first.

0:44:21 > 0:44:25I'd like you to practise together in mixed teams, all right?

0:44:25 > 0:44:28So how about everyone to this side go and practise over there.

0:44:28 > 0:44:32Everyone that side go and practise over there as one team, OK?

0:44:32 > 0:44:34Come on.

0:44:34 > 0:44:35The children couldn't be clearer.

0:44:35 > 0:44:38Boys are good at football, girls aren't.

0:44:39 > 0:44:42Handball.

0:44:42 > 0:44:43But everything I've seen so far

0:44:43 > 0:44:46says any difference is purely down to practice.

0:44:48 > 0:44:51And just like with Tangram puzzles, with practice,

0:44:51 > 0:44:55the plasticity of the brain will mean the girls will get better.

0:44:58 > 0:45:00Boys and girls have got the same bones in their legs.

0:45:00 > 0:45:02They've got the same pair of eyes.

0:45:02 > 0:45:04Actually, gram for gram, they are the same strength.

0:45:04 > 0:45:06So why are boys better at football?

0:45:06 > 0:45:07Because they do it more.

0:45:07 > 0:45:10And girls could be just as good at this age,

0:45:10 > 0:45:12if they had a chance to do that practice.

0:45:15 > 0:45:17The practice is going OK.

0:45:17 > 0:45:19The children are running around,

0:45:19 > 0:45:21with the odd example of boys helping girls.

0:45:22 > 0:45:24Wait, do you want to do shooting?

0:45:26 > 0:45:28But now I want to test for a deeper change

0:45:28 > 0:45:30in the boys' attitudes to the girls.

0:45:32 > 0:45:34I'm going to offer a choice.

0:45:34 > 0:45:38And their answer will give me an idea just how far they've come

0:45:38 > 0:45:40over the last four weeks.

0:45:41 > 0:45:44Come over here if you want to learn goalie.

0:45:44 > 0:45:46OK. That was a really good practice session.

0:45:46 > 0:45:48Now it's time for the match.

0:45:50 > 0:45:52But I'm going to give you the option

0:45:52 > 0:45:54to revert back to boys versus girls.

0:45:54 > 0:45:56No.

0:45:56 > 0:45:57Do you want to do that?

0:45:57 > 0:45:58- Yes!- No!

0:45:58 > 0:46:01INDISTINCT SHOUTS

0:46:01 > 0:46:03Javid...

0:46:03 > 0:46:04Stop, stop!

0:46:04 > 0:46:07Riley, you have an idea?

0:46:07 > 0:46:09Yeah, stay in our mixed teams like this,

0:46:09 > 0:46:13because we've got a good formation and the boys always play football,

0:46:13 > 0:46:15and we'll beat the girls,

0:46:15 > 0:46:18because the girls don't play football that often.

0:46:18 > 0:46:20So I'm hearing that you'd like to stay in the mixed team,

0:46:20 > 0:46:23because otherwise the boys will beat the girls, and it wouldn't be fair?

0:46:23 > 0:46:24It will be like 12-nil.

0:46:24 > 0:46:27Hands up for who wants to stay in the mixed teams?

0:46:28 > 0:46:31One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten,

0:46:31 > 0:46:3311, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16.

0:46:33 > 0:46:36And who wants to stay in the boys versus girls?

0:46:36 > 0:46:38Four of them. Five of them.

0:46:38 > 0:46:40OK, so we will stay mixed.

0:46:40 > 0:46:42CHEERING

0:46:43 > 0:46:46Let's do red to the right, and green to the left.

0:46:46 > 0:46:47Here we go, Greens.

0:46:47 > 0:46:50We're Man United!

0:46:50 > 0:46:53As I see it, this is a big moment for Riley,

0:46:53 > 0:46:55who's showing real empathy.

0:46:55 > 0:47:00He has worked out that a boys versus girls match simply wouldn't be fair.

0:47:00 > 0:47:04And that wouldn't be any fun for the girls, or the boys.

0:47:05 > 0:47:06WHISTLE BLOWS

0:47:12 > 0:47:16There were some shouts for going boys versus girls, definitely.

0:47:16 > 0:47:19And so it was surprising that it was Riley.

0:47:19 > 0:47:20I was disappointed in Riley

0:47:20 > 0:47:24when he said that preparing the picnic was for girls.

0:47:24 > 0:47:26But then, when it came to the football...

0:47:28 > 0:47:31..he's the one who tilted the children towards voting for

0:47:31 > 0:47:35staying in mixed teams, which was really nice.

0:47:38 > 0:47:40The end of the game, go and shake hands.

0:47:40 > 0:47:41Good game.

0:47:41 > 0:47:45I think girls don't play football as much cos they think boys are better.

0:47:45 > 0:47:48I liked it because it was mixed.

0:47:48 > 0:47:51I don't really get a chance to play football with the boys much.

0:47:56 > 0:47:57This is so gooey!

0:47:59 > 0:48:02Since I joined them at the start of term,

0:48:02 > 0:48:06I think the children's attitudes about what it means to be

0:48:06 > 0:48:08a boy or a girl have changed.

0:48:08 > 0:48:11Although I still worry it could all just be skin-deep.

0:48:13 > 0:48:16But it just makes me wonder whether all of the changes I've made

0:48:16 > 0:48:19are still quite superficial in their minds.

0:48:19 > 0:48:22That, therefore, begs the question, will this show in the end?

0:48:22 > 0:48:25So when I come to retest them, are we going to see

0:48:25 > 0:48:28any positive differences from the beginning to the end?

0:48:39 > 0:48:41It's the last day of term.

0:48:43 > 0:48:46We're retesting the children in Graham's class.

0:48:47 > 0:48:51Looking for any changes in their ability to express emotion,

0:48:51 > 0:48:54assertiveness, self-confidence and empathy.

0:48:57 > 0:49:00To help us be sure that any differences

0:49:00 > 0:49:02are down to my interventions,

0:49:02 > 0:49:04we're also testing the neighbouring control class,

0:49:04 > 0:49:06who followed normal lessons.

0:49:09 > 0:49:11I'm excited to know if a whole term

0:49:11 > 0:49:13of trying to treat the boys and girls as equals

0:49:13 > 0:49:16has altered their thinking in any way.

0:49:19 > 0:49:21Has my experiment worked?

0:49:21 > 0:49:24Or has it all just been a bit of fun for the children?

0:49:30 > 0:49:32THEY CHATTER

0:49:34 > 0:49:36So, for the results...

0:49:39 > 0:49:43At the start of term, there was an 8% difference in self-esteem levels

0:49:43 > 0:49:45between girls and boys.

0:49:45 > 0:49:49Encouragingly, it's now only .2%.

0:49:51 > 0:49:53I think I can do anything now,

0:49:53 > 0:49:56because I know that I can be anything I want to be.

0:49:56 > 0:49:59Some stuff I'm not allowed to do, but when I'm older,

0:49:59 > 0:50:01I definitely can do anything.

0:50:03 > 0:50:07No girls now describe themselves as ugly.

0:50:07 > 0:50:10Opting instead for words like "unique" and "happy."

0:50:11 > 0:50:13Boys' pro-social behaviour -

0:50:13 > 0:50:15that's their kindness to others -

0:50:15 > 0:50:17is up by 10%.

0:50:17 > 0:50:21And their ability to identify emotions has improved.

0:50:22 > 0:50:25I think the boys have been

0:50:25 > 0:50:28nicer to the girls, sometimes.

0:50:28 > 0:50:32I think boys have learned to be more caring.

0:50:33 > 0:50:35Girls' self-motivation

0:50:35 > 0:50:38has shown an increase of 12%.

0:50:38 > 0:50:41And the girls were an incredible 40%

0:50:41 > 0:50:44more accurate when asked to predict

0:50:44 > 0:50:45their scores before a test.

0:50:46 > 0:50:49I would describe a girl now...

0:50:50 > 0:50:53..more cleverer.

0:50:53 > 0:50:54More stronger.

0:50:54 > 0:50:56And more smarter.

0:50:58 > 0:51:03One of the biggest changes we've seen is in the boys' bad behaviour

0:51:03 > 0:51:06which has gone down a whopping 57%.

0:51:08 > 0:51:13I think it's better to express yourself than getting angry.

0:51:15 > 0:51:18I don't think I strop any more, because I just tell people.

0:51:18 > 0:51:22I've learned it's better to talk than strop.

0:51:25 > 0:51:29And finally, the Tangram puzzles that test spatial ability,

0:51:29 > 0:51:31after just two weeks of practice,

0:51:31 > 0:51:37we found that the top ten pupils are now five boys, and five girls.

0:51:40 > 0:51:43These results are really encouraging

0:51:43 > 0:51:45and show that the children have started to change in ways

0:51:45 > 0:51:48that may have a profound effect in later life.

0:51:48 > 0:51:50The difference between them is eight.

0:51:51 > 0:51:56But, for me, what is most striking is that all these changes have taken

0:51:56 > 0:51:59place in a matter of weeks.

0:51:59 > 0:52:03I'd love to see similar changes attempted in schools everywhere.

0:52:05 > 0:52:06You can see it in the class.

0:52:06 > 0:52:09You can see the confidence in these children

0:52:09 > 0:52:10that they didn't have before.

0:52:10 > 0:52:12Now they are challenging things a lot more,

0:52:12 > 0:52:14which I think is brilliant,

0:52:14 > 0:52:16because, of course, as they go through life, things they are told,

0:52:16 > 0:52:18and things they are told to do

0:52:18 > 0:52:21aren't always going to be things they agree with.

0:52:21 > 0:52:24Actually, I think the skills that they're picking up now, actually,

0:52:24 > 0:52:25we can challenge that.

0:52:25 > 0:52:28If they go through life, and they want to challenge those things,

0:52:28 > 0:52:31they probably feel they can now, whereas they couldn't before.

0:52:31 > 0:52:32Sh, Nancy!

0:52:34 > 0:52:36Stop, Lexi, please.

0:52:36 > 0:52:39Nancy, why aren't you doing something on your iPad?

0:52:41 > 0:52:43I don't know, you've turned these kids into monsters.

0:52:43 > 0:52:45The girls. They were never like it before.

0:52:45 > 0:52:47THEY LAUGH

0:52:50 > 0:52:52It's the end-of-term assembly...

0:52:55 > 0:52:58..and Graham and the class have prepared a special performance

0:52:58 > 0:53:00to show the other children, the parents,

0:53:00 > 0:53:03and the headteacher - Caroline Sice -

0:53:03 > 0:53:05just what they've learned.

0:53:05 > 0:53:08I'm a little nervous to see what they've come up with.

0:53:10 > 0:53:13This is our poem, Girls And Boys.

0:53:13 > 0:53:16We have learned boys can bake in the kitchen.

0:53:18 > 0:53:20Girls can go on a boat, fishing.

0:53:23 > 0:53:25Boys can be sensitive.

0:53:27 > 0:53:29And girls can be strong.

0:53:32 > 0:53:36We have learned being equal is not wrong.

0:53:36 > 0:53:39Toys shouldn't be just for girls and boys.

0:53:39 > 0:53:41Change your opinion on gendered toys.

0:53:41 > 0:53:45Cars can be liked by all, and liking blue and pink is cool.

0:53:48 > 0:53:50Boys can dance, and girls can fix.

0:53:56 > 0:53:58Boys can do make-up, and girls can do tricks.

0:54:04 > 0:54:09Any gender can build a fire pit and toast marshmallows while it is lit.

0:54:09 > 0:54:11Javid was the best at it.

0:54:12 > 0:54:16Boys and girls can make a team, and help us to achieve our dream.

0:54:18 > 0:54:21Boys and girls, in confidence have grown.

0:54:21 > 0:54:23We work in mixed teams and not on our own.

0:54:23 > 0:54:26We've changed our thoughts about girl and boy roles.

0:54:26 > 0:54:29Men can wash dishes and women can drill holes.

0:54:32 > 0:54:35Boys and girls can both be caring.

0:54:35 > 0:54:37When we work, we are always sharing.

0:54:37 > 0:54:39Believe in yourself, either girl or boy.

0:54:39 > 0:54:41Even if you want to be a pirate, ahoy.

0:54:42 > 0:54:43Ahoy!

0:54:44 > 0:54:47ALL: We gender fix, it's true.

0:54:47 > 0:54:50If you make a change in you.

0:54:50 > 0:54:51APPLAUSE

0:54:55 > 0:54:57That was good. That was what we meant.

0:54:57 > 0:54:59That was good.

0:55:03 > 0:55:05It's really good to hear that

0:55:05 > 0:55:08the children have taken so much on board.

0:55:08 > 0:55:10I'm Javid, everyone, if you haven't met me before...

0:55:10 > 0:55:15But what does the headteacher think of my gender neutral experiment?

0:55:15 > 0:55:18What do you think, Mrs Sice, about potentially continuing it,

0:55:18 > 0:55:20or expanding it?

0:55:20 > 0:55:22Well, I've been really impressed with the results.

0:55:22 > 0:55:24And seeing the change in the children.

0:55:24 > 0:55:29We thought we were doing lots on being a gender neutral school, but,

0:55:29 > 0:55:32actually, it needs much more specific strategies,

0:55:32 > 0:55:34in classrooms to make that change.

0:55:34 > 0:55:36So we will be carrying it on.

0:55:36 > 0:55:42And I've already asked Mr Andre to come and teach us how to have

0:55:42 > 0:55:44a gender neutral classroom.

0:55:44 > 0:55:48So that we really make sure that boys and girls are equal in their

0:55:48 > 0:55:52confidence, in their aspirations, in their beliefs.

0:55:52 > 0:55:54Thank you, Mrs Sice.

0:55:57 > 0:55:59I would never have expected...

0:55:59 > 0:56:01Sorry, I'm going to get emotional.

0:56:01 > 0:56:02Sorry.

0:56:05 > 0:56:07I've never seen Maisy

0:56:07 > 0:56:10stand up and speak like that in front of a crowd.

0:56:10 > 0:56:12Sorry.

0:56:12 > 0:56:14How pathetic am I?

0:56:14 > 0:56:16You'd better not be filming this!

0:56:16 > 0:56:17Give me a second.

0:56:19 > 0:56:20She is, like, you know,

0:56:20 > 0:56:22"I want to be seen. I want to be heard."

0:56:22 > 0:56:26And it's brilliant because it's what we've strived for for years.

0:56:27 > 0:56:30I think what's changed about me is my confidence.

0:56:30 > 0:56:31Because it's growing.

0:56:31 > 0:56:33Before I wouldn't do something like that in front of

0:56:33 > 0:56:35the whole school. My voice would crackle.

0:56:38 > 0:56:40He's been more loving to his sister.

0:56:40 > 0:56:45So I suppose he's been more empathetic to his sister.

0:56:45 > 0:56:48And he's not so boisterous.

0:56:48 > 0:56:52I've completely changed my opinion now.

0:56:52 > 0:56:55Because now I know boys and girls can do anything they want.

0:56:57 > 0:57:00Already, it's made us think about how we're going to bring Summer up

0:57:00 > 0:57:03so that it's more gender neutral for her.

0:57:05 > 0:57:08Boys and girls aren't different, they're equal.

0:57:11 > 0:57:16The changes I've made at Lanesend aren't rocket science.

0:57:16 > 0:57:21Just a few small interventions to make sure the children are getting

0:57:21 > 0:57:24the simple message that they are all equal.

0:57:25 > 0:57:29I think every school in the country could do exactly the same.

0:57:32 > 0:57:35Look at where they were at the beginning and look at them now.

0:57:35 > 0:57:38Imagine the possibilities for all our children's futures

0:57:38 > 0:57:42if this is rolled out in every classroom, and every school.

0:57:42 > 0:57:44That's why I am excited.

0:57:44 > 0:57:48Because it's a small change, it's relatively easy to do,

0:57:48 > 0:57:51but what we have to gain is enormous.