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0:00:07 > 0:00:09I really like porn. A lot. Really like it.
0:00:09 > 0:00:11It fulfils a purpose and then you get on with your day,
0:00:11 > 0:00:12and I think as a red-blooded male,
0:00:12 > 0:00:14I am not the only one who feels this way.
0:00:14 > 0:00:16Even you ladies too. Don't deny it. I know what you get up to.
0:00:16 > 0:00:17I'm watching you.
0:00:17 > 0:00:21Now, then. According to PornHub, the most searched term for gay men is straight men.
0:00:21 > 0:00:24I've got lesbian friends that really like watching gay male porn.
0:00:24 > 0:00:26It's straight guys who are the biggest consumers
0:00:26 > 0:00:28of trans porn, and of course,
0:00:28 > 0:00:31transgender people enjoy watching cisgender porn as well.
0:00:31 > 0:00:33And for any of you straight fellas watching,
0:00:33 > 0:00:35you know those lesbians you love so, so much?
0:00:35 > 0:00:37They're not real lesbians.
0:00:39 > 0:00:41So basically it's a total clusterfuck.
0:00:41 > 0:00:43In the online playground of porn,
0:00:43 > 0:00:47sexuality is even more fluid than it is in the real world.
0:00:47 > 0:00:48For better or worse,
0:00:48 > 0:00:51porn is everywhere. Porn on your phone,
0:00:51 > 0:00:53porn on your laptop, in the movies,
0:00:53 > 0:00:55in your workplace. Porn - it's in your home.
0:00:55 > 0:00:57Porn - it's right in front of you.
0:00:57 > 0:00:58Porn. Don't you love it?
0:00:58 > 0:01:02So who are the people that are making LGBTQ porn?
0:01:02 > 0:01:03Why are they making it?
0:01:03 > 0:01:06And who's watching it? Is there more to it than
0:01:06 > 0:01:07just people getting themselves off?
0:01:26 > 0:01:28Do I watch pornography?
0:01:28 > 0:01:30- Erm...- I do.
0:01:30 > 0:01:32- Yeah.- Yes.
0:01:32 > 0:01:34Erm... Occasionally.
0:01:34 > 0:01:36But I have a boyfriend, so please don't put that in.
0:01:36 > 0:01:39I know a lot of people that have. I know a lot of people that do.
0:01:39 > 0:01:41No.
0:01:41 > 0:01:42Of course. Doesn't everyone?
0:01:42 > 0:01:44It's so problematic.
0:01:44 > 0:01:47It's fetishistic. It's tokenistic.
0:01:47 > 0:01:49It's racist. It's sexist.
0:01:49 > 0:01:52Oh, my God. Yes.
0:01:53 > 0:01:55Yes, I do.
0:01:55 > 0:01:58- You know, I used to be, like, an addict of porn.- Really?
0:01:58 > 0:02:00- Yeah, like, totally.- No! - No, honestly.
0:02:00 > 0:02:02No. Not my kind of thing.
0:02:02 > 0:02:04I love pornography.
0:02:04 > 0:02:06I personally don't use it, no.
0:02:06 > 0:02:09No, I don't. I've never been into it.
0:02:09 > 0:02:12It's just not... Not my thing, really, no.
0:02:12 > 0:02:14Yeah.
0:02:18 > 0:02:20I've come to South London to meet George.
0:02:20 > 0:02:23He's a gay porn star and producer
0:02:23 > 0:02:27and he specialises in chav porn. Mm-hm.
0:02:27 > 0:02:28So I'm going to go in there,
0:02:28 > 0:02:32meet him and actually take part in a phone casting.
0:02:32 > 0:02:34I'm pretty nervous, but if I'm honest with you,
0:02:34 > 0:02:35really excited.
0:02:40 > 0:02:42- Hi, George.- Hello.
0:02:42 > 0:02:44Nice to meet you. How are you?
0:02:44 > 0:02:46I'm very well, thank you. Nice to meet you. Come on in.
0:02:46 > 0:02:48- Look at your lovely flat. - This is it.
0:02:48 > 0:02:49- Thanks for having me.- That's OK.
0:02:53 > 0:02:56So you've got an online character, an online persona,
0:02:56 > 0:02:58who is he?
0:02:58 > 0:03:01My online persona is Hung Young Brit.
0:03:01 > 0:03:03And he is a...
0:03:03 > 0:03:06A very poor, straight-acting chav. "You all right, mate?
0:03:06 > 0:03:09"What's up wi' you?" Spit in their face.
0:03:09 > 0:03:12You know, it's this kind of real sort of straight fantasy
0:03:12 > 0:03:15that a lot of gay guys have. You know, about
0:03:15 > 0:03:18very Nike, Adidas-wearing, chavvy, you know...
0:03:18 > 0:03:21JD Sports kind of wearing chav.
0:03:21 > 0:03:27Why is the straight lad, chav porn thing such a massive fetish?
0:03:27 > 0:03:29I mean, I grew up in a town
0:03:29 > 0:03:32that is very... A very poor commuter town.
0:03:32 > 0:03:35And it's close to London and there is... It had a dockyard
0:03:35 > 0:03:38and the dockyard closed down and all the jobs went away
0:03:38 > 0:03:40and the boys on the street, as you're growing up,
0:03:40 > 0:03:42are very...
0:03:42 > 0:03:45scally, they're very chavvy, and it's what I was fantasising about.
0:03:45 > 0:03:47But what's interesting is you go on the gay scene,
0:03:47 > 0:03:48no-one dresses like that.
0:03:48 > 0:03:52You know, so in their minds, they might have a sexualised image of,
0:03:52 > 0:03:54you know, a spitting, smoking chav.
0:03:54 > 0:03:57But they're not going to dress like that or look like that
0:03:57 > 0:04:00just to get laid. They're actually going to look very,
0:04:00 > 0:04:02very smart, like yourself, you know?
0:04:02 > 0:04:04Today we are working in the office.
0:04:04 > 0:04:06I'm going to do the casting,
0:04:06 > 0:04:08so I'll take you through the process from start to finish.
0:04:08 > 0:04:11Is there a set of things that we are going to be looking for,
0:04:11 > 0:04:13things that will completely rule them out,
0:04:13 > 0:04:16- and things that will put them into the top?- Yeah.
0:04:16 > 0:04:19You know, you don't ever want to convince anyone to do anything.
0:04:19 > 0:04:20People have to be 100% natural,
0:04:20 > 0:04:23so you need to know what their limits are,
0:04:23 > 0:04:24cos you want to work around them.
0:04:24 > 0:04:27You don't ever want them to work with you.
0:04:27 > 0:04:28PHONE RINGS
0:04:31 > 0:04:34- 'Hi.'- Hi. How are you doing?
0:04:34 > 0:04:36It's George Mason calling from Hung Young Brit
0:04:36 > 0:04:41from XTube, and are you still interested in being in adult films?
0:04:41 > 0:04:42'Yes.'
0:04:42 > 0:04:44You are? That's good news. We like that.
0:04:44 > 0:04:46Have you done any videos before?
0:04:47 > 0:04:48- 'No.'- No.
0:04:48 > 0:04:50Very well. By the way, I'm looking at your picture,
0:04:50 > 0:04:53and you are very handsome, by the way, I've got to say,
0:04:53 > 0:04:54you are very, very handsome.
0:04:54 > 0:04:55'Thank you.'
0:04:55 > 0:04:58Mm, no, we like that. Are you happy for guys to spunk in your mouth?
0:04:58 > 0:05:01- 'Yeah.'- Yeah, OK.
0:05:01 > 0:05:03And likewise, if you were going to bottom in a video,
0:05:03 > 0:05:05you are also happy to receive that?
0:05:05 > 0:05:07'Both. I can give too.'
0:05:07 > 0:05:10Cool, I think that's a yes, so we'll put yes on that one.
0:05:10 > 0:05:12Cool, anything that you change your mind on,
0:05:12 > 0:05:15and if you don't want to... You know, if you don't feel comfortable
0:05:15 > 0:05:17doing it on the day, then you don't feel comfortable on the day.
0:05:17 > 0:05:20It's absolutely not a problem. Why do you want to be in porn,
0:05:20 > 0:05:22and can I ask you, what attracts you about being in the movies?
0:05:22 > 0:05:27'I just want to see what this kind of work can offer.
0:05:27 > 0:05:29'It's just, you know, it's try, if I like it or not.
0:05:29 > 0:05:32'I want to try everything, so why not?
0:05:32 > 0:05:36'I like sex. I like everything in sex, so...'
0:05:36 > 0:05:38Brilliant, baby. I've got to tell you now,
0:05:38 > 0:05:40that's exactly the right attitude.
0:05:40 > 0:05:44My name's Riyadh. What kind of porn do you look at?
0:05:44 > 0:05:45HE LAUGHS
0:05:45 > 0:05:50'Erm... I like group, bareback, gang bang, something like that.'
0:05:50 > 0:05:53Very open-minded. We like you better and better by the minute.
0:05:53 > 0:05:56Cool, all right, baby, listen, thank you very much for your time today.
0:05:56 > 0:05:58- Lovely talking to you.- 'Thank you.'
0:05:58 > 0:06:01Save my number. It's Hung Young Brit and I will speak to you soon.
0:06:01 > 0:06:02OK, bye-bye.
0:06:02 > 0:06:04- Oh.- Ooh.
0:06:04 > 0:06:05Oh, I like him.
0:06:05 > 0:06:07He's cute.
0:06:10 > 0:06:13BOTH LAUGH
0:06:13 > 0:06:15We're looking for the same thing!
0:06:20 > 0:06:22Chest hair - smooth, natural.
0:06:22 > 0:06:24Sexual role - versatile bottom.
0:06:24 > 0:06:26Cock size - seven inches.
0:06:26 > 0:06:28Cut, uncut - he's cut.
0:06:28 > 0:06:30Oh, there we are. He likes... He's a transsexual.
0:06:30 > 0:06:33I don't unfortunately have a market for that.
0:06:33 > 0:06:35- Aw!- Aw! He's lovely, isn't he?
0:06:35 > 0:06:36PHONE RINGS
0:06:36 > 0:06:38- 'Hello?'- Oh, I like him.
0:06:38 > 0:06:40- Jesus!- That weighs something, doesn't it?
0:06:40 > 0:06:42That's a big fucking...
0:06:42 > 0:06:46It's almost disproportionate to his body, it's that big. It's like...
0:06:46 > 0:06:48Wet and messy. W-A-M.
0:06:48 > 0:06:50I think that's shit and piss, isn't it?
0:06:50 > 0:06:52- Have you done porn before?- 'No.'
0:06:54 > 0:06:56And in your ass?
0:06:56 > 0:06:57'Yeah.'
0:06:57 > 0:07:01And vice-versa, would you do it to someone else?
0:07:01 > 0:07:03'Yeah.'
0:07:03 > 0:07:04OK.
0:07:04 > 0:07:07How much would I get paid
0:07:07 > 0:07:09if I was to do porn?
0:07:09 > 0:07:11It's about £150 for a solo scene,
0:07:11 > 0:07:13and then anything from £200 to £300,
0:07:13 > 0:07:16which 300, I can promise you, is the top end for every other studio,
0:07:16 > 0:07:19to do full-on fucking.
0:07:19 > 0:07:21I thought the actor would have got
0:07:21 > 0:07:23like five, maybe ten grand?
0:07:23 > 0:07:26You've always got to look at the reasons why someone's doing porn.
0:07:26 > 0:07:27And if someone says, you know,
0:07:27 > 0:07:30"Pfft! I want the money, times are hard right now."
0:07:30 > 0:07:32You don't want to cast that guy,
0:07:32 > 0:07:34- cos that guy might regret it in the future.- OK.
0:07:36 > 0:07:39That was an eye-opener, to say the least.
0:07:39 > 0:07:41I mean, George is
0:07:41 > 0:07:45like the Alan Sugar businessman of the porn world.
0:07:45 > 0:07:48I can't believe how business-savvy he is.
0:07:48 > 0:07:49And the funny thing is,
0:07:49 > 0:07:51when you look at the guys who have been applying,
0:07:51 > 0:07:53these hundreds of guys,
0:07:53 > 0:07:55almost all of them have never done porn before.
0:07:55 > 0:07:58I'm really, really excited about the shoot day.
0:07:58 > 0:07:59I don't know what to expect.
0:07:59 > 0:08:02I know that George... He's a horny fella.
0:08:02 > 0:08:05So maybe he'll want to take part more than he says he does.
0:08:07 > 0:08:11I don't think that girl-girl porn is for girls.
0:08:11 > 0:08:12I think it's for guys.
0:08:12 > 0:08:15- Trans porn's too much. - Oh, no, I can't...
0:08:15 > 0:08:16It's so fake!
0:08:16 > 0:08:19To try and find body positive or gender positive trans porn,
0:08:19 > 0:08:21it's just she-males or whatever.
0:08:21 > 0:08:22The kind of people and bodies
0:08:22 > 0:08:25and things that you see in pornography are so often
0:08:25 > 0:08:28not what you experience in real life.
0:08:28 > 0:08:30But it doesn't represent the LGBT community as a whole.
0:08:30 > 0:08:32It just feels fake.
0:08:32 > 0:08:34They've got long nails, for starters.
0:08:34 > 0:08:36It's like you wouldn't have long nails.
0:08:36 > 0:08:38They make noises when nothing's happening.
0:08:38 > 0:08:40How many girls do you know have a pillow fight
0:08:40 > 0:08:42and end up having sex? I don't think it really works.
0:08:42 > 0:08:45It's just not something that you would ever do with a girl.
0:08:48 > 0:08:50Across the pond in California,
0:08:50 > 0:08:52award-winner film-maker Shine Louise Houston
0:08:52 > 0:08:56and porn star Jiz Lee are creating what they term queer porn.
0:09:04 > 0:09:06- Hi.- Hi.
0:09:06 > 0:09:08Shine, Jiz, lovely to speak to you.
0:09:08 > 0:09:10- I'm Riyadh.- Nice to meet you. - Hi, nice to meet you.
0:09:10 > 0:09:13Why did you decide that queer porn was the career for you?
0:09:13 > 0:09:15Visual media is so powerful.
0:09:15 > 0:09:18We see all these different stories about other people
0:09:18 > 0:09:21all the time, but we don't really see a lot of stories
0:09:21 > 0:09:26about ourselves, especially about queer people being sexual.
0:09:26 > 0:09:30So I think it's really important for us to create our own,
0:09:30 > 0:09:33like, narratives, where we are the objects of desire.
0:09:33 > 0:09:36If we're not creating those narratives and we have other people
0:09:36 > 0:09:38who don't have our experiences doing it for us,
0:09:38 > 0:09:42or on our behalf, they often don't do it correctly.
0:09:42 > 0:09:47The style that we shoot and also when we work with talent
0:09:47 > 0:09:49we really ask them what they want to do today.
0:09:49 > 0:09:52I don't direct the talent at all. I only direct the cameras,
0:09:52 > 0:09:55so, you know, whatever they want to do, it's because, like,
0:09:55 > 0:10:00they're really into it, so I think we get a more honest performance.
0:10:00 > 0:10:01Is queer porn and what you're
0:10:01 > 0:10:03creating important for the community?
0:10:03 > 0:10:05In looking at pornography that often
0:10:05 > 0:10:08is very limited in who gets to be sexy,
0:10:08 > 0:10:10what kind of sex they have,
0:10:10 > 0:10:13to not see yourself represented kind of...
0:10:13 > 0:10:16- It can make you feel that you're not normal.- Right.
0:10:16 > 0:10:19So it is really invalidating for a queer or for trans people,
0:10:19 > 0:10:21people of colour, people of size,
0:10:21 > 0:10:23people with different abilities,
0:10:23 > 0:10:26to be able to see something and see themselves
0:10:26 > 0:10:30reflected as someone who's capable of a happy, healthy sexuality,
0:10:30 > 0:10:33and I think that queer and trans people look to porn a little
0:10:33 > 0:10:36differently than heterosexual, cisgender people might.
0:10:38 > 0:10:40Because for a long time we didn't have sex ed
0:10:40 > 0:10:43that included trans or queer sexuality or orientation
0:10:43 > 0:10:46and we didn't see ourselves in mainstream media
0:10:46 > 0:10:50in those stories and so porn was this one place where we were.
0:10:51 > 0:10:54I think it's come to, like, a critical mass.
0:10:54 > 0:10:57You know, there's a lot of us. We're kind of a movement.
0:10:57 > 0:10:59Queer revolution!
0:10:59 > 0:11:03Yeah, you know, there's just a lot of people out there making
0:11:03 > 0:11:06really well-informed work.
0:11:08 > 0:11:12In what ways can porn help people in the LGBTQ community?
0:11:12 > 0:11:16If you're in rural Virginia, and you're feeling like the only queer,
0:11:16 > 0:11:18you know, we've had a lot of people like,
0:11:18 > 0:11:20"Oh, my God! There are more queers!"
0:11:20 > 0:11:22Do you know what I mean? "I'm not the only one."
0:11:22 > 0:11:25And it can give them a sense of, like,
0:11:25 > 0:11:27"OK, I am part of a larger community."
0:11:27 > 0:11:29- And that they can be sexy.- Yeah.
0:11:29 > 0:11:33- It's important, isn't it?- Very. - I think so.
0:11:33 > 0:11:36What do you say to people who claim that porn
0:11:36 > 0:11:38is exploitative to people?
0:11:38 > 0:11:41I don't think because sex and money are involved
0:11:41 > 0:11:44that it is inherently...
0:11:44 > 0:11:46Creates a power imbalance.
0:11:47 > 0:11:50I think there are people who will take advantage of other people,
0:11:50 > 0:11:54but like I said, I don't think that's inherent in the industry.
0:11:54 > 0:11:56I think that's on an individual basis.
0:11:56 > 0:11:59What's your favourite type of porn to produce?
0:12:02 > 0:12:07You can be really detailed in your descriptions. I don't mind.
0:12:07 > 0:12:09Um...I don't know.
0:12:09 > 0:12:11I don't know if I have...
0:12:11 > 0:12:13I mean, I like my own porn.
0:12:16 > 0:12:19You know, they really hit the nail on the head.
0:12:19 > 0:12:22LGBTQ people are underrepresented across the board,
0:12:22 > 0:12:26specifically in mainstream media. And what they're creating
0:12:26 > 0:12:30is finally giving those underrepresented people a voice,
0:12:30 > 0:12:32a space, and a chance to feel sexy.
0:12:35 > 0:12:38But what, if anything, is being done here in queer Britain?
0:12:47 > 0:12:50I've got to think about it, how to phrase it.
0:12:50 > 0:12:53I'm Blath and I make artisanal pornography,
0:12:53 > 0:12:55by and for queer people.
0:12:58 > 0:13:02I think queer porn is porn that does not
0:13:02 > 0:13:06cater to the straight male audience as much,
0:13:06 > 0:13:08cos they're already really over-catered to.
0:13:08 > 0:13:11Queer porn caters to people who have got more fringe sexualities
0:13:11 > 0:13:13that are not represented as much.
0:13:17 > 0:13:18Wow.
0:13:20 > 0:13:22I've never looked at
0:13:22 > 0:13:24porn and thought,
0:13:24 > 0:13:27"That was beautiful," at the end.
0:13:27 > 0:13:29- Thank you, that is...- It's a real work of art, isn't it?
0:13:29 > 0:13:31That is what I was going for. Thanks.
0:13:31 > 0:13:33- Like, I mean...- That's very validating for me.
0:13:33 > 0:13:36I mean, I am a gay man and, you know, I'm very sure of that,
0:13:36 > 0:13:38but even at points I was all,
0:13:38 > 0:13:43- "Mm, you know, it's kind of hot." It was hot.- Thanks.
0:13:47 > 0:13:50Who is it that watches this stuff? Like, who are your audience?
0:13:50 > 0:13:53Most of my customers are, like, lesbians,
0:13:53 > 0:13:55trans women, non-binary people,
0:13:55 > 0:13:58like pretty much everyone you can think of.
0:13:59 > 0:14:01When you started making this stuff,
0:14:01 > 0:14:04did you realise just how important it was that they
0:14:04 > 0:14:06weren't being catered for, all of these people?
0:14:06 > 0:14:09A lot of people got, like, a lot more excited about it
0:14:09 > 0:14:11than I thought that they would,
0:14:11 > 0:14:14just because I think so little of it exists that whenever
0:14:14 > 0:14:16someone else starts making this kind of thing,
0:14:16 > 0:14:19people are really, really enthusiastic to, like,
0:14:19 > 0:14:22support them by spreading the word or financially or whatever.
0:14:22 > 0:14:24What kind of reaction do you get
0:14:24 > 0:14:26from the people that watch your stuff?
0:14:26 > 0:14:27Do you ever get messages from them
0:14:27 > 0:14:29saying that it's helped them in any way?
0:14:29 > 0:14:32I had one person say that they kind of realised that they weren't
0:14:32 > 0:14:35entirely, like, a straight woman from watching,
0:14:35 > 0:14:38cos they'd never seen femininity presented in such an intimate way,
0:14:38 > 0:14:39and they were like...
0:14:39 > 0:14:41"I'm kind of into this, actually."
0:14:41 > 0:14:44It's not just bam-bam-bam-bam-ugh!
0:14:45 > 0:14:47There's a bit more.
0:14:47 > 0:14:50Yeah, there's a bit more. It feels a bit more personal, I think,
0:14:50 > 0:14:52so it kind of taps into something a little bit
0:14:52 > 0:14:55- more than just your base urges? - Yeah.
0:15:00 > 0:15:03Describe to me what feminist porn is? Cos I thought feminist porn -
0:15:03 > 0:15:09I haven't seen any - was where the woman in the film
0:15:09 > 0:15:11is a bit more in control than she would normally be?
0:15:11 > 0:15:12Like a bit more dominant.
0:15:12 > 0:15:14Yeah, not always as submissive.
0:15:14 > 0:15:17And there's a bit more equality in the roles.
0:15:17 > 0:15:19It can be part of it,
0:15:19 > 0:15:22but I think there's a big misunderstanding about
0:15:22 > 0:15:25the pornography being empowering,
0:15:25 > 0:15:27and it's, like, I don't think we have to worry so much
0:15:27 > 0:15:30about it being empowering as much as we need to worry about
0:15:30 > 0:15:34everyone just being treated fairly. I think that's the main issue.
0:15:34 > 0:15:36The whole side of the porn world
0:15:36 > 0:15:38where it's the user-generated content,
0:15:38 > 0:15:40where you are making yourself the star,
0:15:40 > 0:15:41is that becoming more of a thing?
0:15:41 > 0:15:43It's way more of a thing, yeah.
0:15:43 > 0:15:47I think it's definitely the direction that porn is moving in.
0:15:47 > 0:15:50It's much more, like, cam sites are pretty much
0:15:50 > 0:15:53the biggest kind of money generator in the industry now.
0:15:53 > 0:15:57I think people are really more craving a kind of
0:15:57 > 0:15:59personal connection, especially because of, like,
0:15:59 > 0:16:01social media and stuff.
0:16:01 > 0:16:05People feel that they want kind of more than just a 2D sexual act
0:16:05 > 0:16:08from a performer, which I mean, back in the '90s, maybe porn stars
0:16:08 > 0:16:12didn't have to worry about, you know, keeping a nice persona
0:16:12 > 0:16:14up on Twitter, for instance,
0:16:14 > 0:16:17whereas now you're much more connected with everyone,
0:16:17 > 0:16:21like, all the time, but consumers are very into that.
0:16:24 > 0:16:27With advances in technology making content and performers
0:16:27 > 0:16:29more accessible than ever,
0:16:29 > 0:16:31there's been a revolution in porn.
0:16:31 > 0:16:34Webcam shows have exploded in popularity,
0:16:34 > 0:16:37and that's because audiences nowadays want that live
0:16:37 > 0:16:38interaction with the performer.
0:16:38 > 0:16:41I'm going to meet Cookie, who is a webcam performer.
0:16:45 > 0:16:47Hello.
0:16:47 > 0:16:52I think the reason that I do porn would actually be kind of advocacy.
0:16:54 > 0:16:57I will not market myself as trans.
0:16:57 > 0:17:01I just market myself as a woman who happens to have a penis.
0:17:01 > 0:17:04Words like she-male, tranny, all of this stuff,
0:17:04 > 0:17:07I avoid those completely. I won't work with those terms.
0:17:07 > 0:17:09A lot of questioning people,
0:17:09 > 0:17:13when they first come into contact with the concept of being trans,
0:17:13 > 0:17:14get it through porn.
0:17:14 > 0:17:17A lot of what makes it popular with the mainstream is
0:17:17 > 0:17:22very male gazey. It reduces trans women down to penis and boobs.
0:17:22 > 0:17:26Trans people are often quite hard to find in real life,
0:17:26 > 0:17:29and so people can kind of get to know us a bit more
0:17:29 > 0:17:31through a camming show.
0:17:31 > 0:17:34It's more interactive. People can talk to you and ask you questions.
0:17:34 > 0:17:36They get a bit more of your personality,
0:17:36 > 0:17:40rather than just 20 minutes of sex.
0:17:40 > 0:17:41It's hugely empowering.
0:17:44 > 0:17:49It's nice to see my body reflect who I am.
0:17:49 > 0:17:51The moment when you look down and you're like,
0:17:51 > 0:17:54"Oh, my boobs have grown," it's sort of like a...
0:17:54 > 0:17:57And can I ask, the boobs that you have now,
0:17:57 > 0:18:00- are they 100% natural?- Mm-hm.
0:18:00 > 0:18:02- They are.- Yeah, no, no surgery involved.
0:18:02 > 0:18:03Cos they're quite big.
0:18:05 > 0:18:08Do you think porn is a place where people can experiment
0:18:08 > 0:18:11with their gender identity, and explore who they are?
0:18:11 > 0:18:13For me, certainly. It's led to an awful lot of realisations
0:18:13 > 0:18:16about what my sexuality is.
0:18:16 > 0:18:18It's led me to coming out as a lesbian.
0:18:18 > 0:18:21Certainly speaking as someone who, six months ago,
0:18:21 > 0:18:23couldn't look in a mirror
0:18:23 > 0:18:25at certain parts of my body,
0:18:25 > 0:18:28I...
0:18:28 > 0:18:31feel an awful lot more confident now I've started doings things.
0:18:31 > 0:18:32What gave you that confidence?
0:18:32 > 0:18:35Probably about the 50 people a day that send me nice messages
0:18:35 > 0:18:36and tell me that I look nice.
0:18:36 > 0:18:38Well, it's validation you're getting from people.
0:18:38 > 0:18:41Kind of, and they engage with my personality as well.
0:18:41 > 0:18:44This is the thing. If you're going to be successful as a performer,
0:18:44 > 0:18:45you can't just look nice.
0:18:45 > 0:18:48It's hard to engage with someone's personality in a porn film,
0:18:48 > 0:18:50whereas if you've got two or three hours,
0:18:50 > 0:18:53on a live broadcast,
0:18:53 > 0:18:55a lot of that is going to be people asking you questions.
0:18:55 > 0:18:58What's your motivation for doing it?
0:18:58 > 0:19:01First and foremost for me was
0:19:01 > 0:19:03confidence and advocacy.
0:19:03 > 0:19:05It sounds kind of strange to talk about
0:19:05 > 0:19:11advocacy from a porn perspective because there is this...
0:19:11 > 0:19:12Stigma?
0:19:12 > 0:19:16Yeah, there's a large stigma of trans women all being
0:19:16 > 0:19:19sex workers. I try and do things as differently as I possibly can
0:19:19 > 0:19:23from mainstream trans porn. People are always going to get
0:19:23 > 0:19:25introduced to this identity through porn.
0:19:25 > 0:19:27If there's going to be an introduction through porn,
0:19:27 > 0:19:29which is unfortunate, I would like it to be a good impression.
0:19:29 > 0:19:32- And that's what you're creating. - Yeah.
0:19:32 > 0:19:34Well, I'd certainly like to think so.
0:19:34 > 0:19:39For example, I knew that I was a girl since I was very, very small.
0:19:39 > 0:19:43But I didn't have the words to describe what I was feeling,
0:19:43 > 0:19:46and I didn't know it was possible to transition.
0:19:46 > 0:19:49Obviously, I'd seen a bit of it through porn,
0:19:49 > 0:19:52but the stuff that I saw there
0:19:52 > 0:19:56was slurs, it was zoomed close-ups of genitalia,
0:19:56 > 0:19:59so myself, like an awful lot of people who are questioning
0:19:59 > 0:20:01whether they might be trans,
0:20:01 > 0:20:04are a bit sort of terrified when they see that.
0:20:04 > 0:20:10So I want to do content that's fun, interesting, and respectful.
0:20:10 > 0:20:13Some people would say if you really want to be an activist
0:20:13 > 0:20:14for the trans community,
0:20:14 > 0:20:18there are other ways to do it without getting your clothes off.
0:20:18 > 0:20:20What would you say to them?
0:20:20 > 0:20:24There certainly are. And great. By all means go and get a job
0:20:24 > 0:20:27with Stonewall or other organisations like that.
0:20:27 > 0:20:30They do great work, but makes sense for me to do it this way,
0:20:30 > 0:20:31because it is how a lot of people
0:20:31 > 0:20:33come into contact with it at first.
0:20:37 > 0:20:41So this is where the magic happens.
0:20:41 > 0:20:44Look at it. It's a proper set-up, isn't it?
0:20:44 > 0:20:45So you're about to go live.
0:20:45 > 0:20:48How many people do you think are going to be watching?
0:20:48 > 0:20:53- About this time of day, normally 200 to 300.- 300?
0:20:53 > 0:20:57Sometimes 500. It depends on who else is on, competing.
0:20:57 > 0:20:59- These are the goals...- Yeah.
0:20:59 > 0:21:01..of what you must do
0:21:01 > 0:21:03for each token...donation.
0:21:03 > 0:21:06Number one is strip down to underwear.
0:21:06 > 0:21:09Goal two, bra off.
0:21:09 > 0:21:11Goal three, underwear off.
0:21:11 > 0:21:15With exclamation mark. Things are getting hot at this stage!
0:21:15 > 0:21:17Goal four, plug.
0:21:17 > 0:21:19Butt plug.
0:21:19 > 0:21:22Goal five, fingering, and goal six?
0:21:22 > 0:21:24It'll be a small dildo.
0:21:24 > 0:21:25- Goal seven?- A bigger dildo.
0:21:25 > 0:21:27Ah, well, that makes sense.
0:21:30 > 0:21:33Could you take a picture so that I could put that on Twitter?
0:21:33 > 0:21:35That's cute.
0:21:35 > 0:21:38Yeah, the one looking up is good.
0:21:38 > 0:21:40- Being naughty.- That'll do nicely.
0:21:40 > 0:21:43Have fun. Break a leg.
0:21:43 > 0:21:47If you need any tea or anything, just, like, shout. I'll bring it in.
0:21:47 > 0:21:49OK. Ooh, I'm excited. Let's do this.
0:22:00 > 0:22:02Right, hello people.
0:22:02 > 0:22:05We're online. We're live.
0:22:05 > 0:22:06Oh, she looks beautiful.
0:22:08 > 0:22:11The comments are rolling in.
0:22:12 > 0:22:13Thank you.
0:22:13 > 0:22:17Is the sexy farm girl the look you were going for?
0:22:17 > 0:22:20Hello, goddess. Are you alone?
0:22:20 > 0:22:22Wow, you're so beautiful.
0:22:22 > 0:22:23OMG, you have a cock?
0:22:23 > 0:22:26If that's what you're interested in, it's there.
0:22:26 > 0:22:28You just have to pay for it.
0:22:28 > 0:22:30So they're asking her to stand up.
0:22:30 > 0:22:32They want to see how tall she is.
0:22:35 > 0:22:37But there was... This is really nice to see.
0:22:37 > 0:22:40Her fans sort of rally together
0:22:40 > 0:22:43and were unhappy with one person who was asking her to do things
0:22:43 > 0:22:45that they were unhappy with.
0:22:45 > 0:22:46He's OK with that one.
0:22:46 > 0:22:49It's not like he's asking me to do anything that's messed up.
0:22:49 > 0:22:52Saying that they want to see certain things as well, I'm sure.
0:22:55 > 0:22:56"I like your armpits."
0:22:58 > 0:22:59"Lovely bra, Cookie."
0:22:59 > 0:23:01"Hey, there. Love the hair."
0:23:01 > 0:23:02Everyone's a fan of the hair.
0:23:04 > 0:23:07You can see she's smiling as well. She's really enjoying it.
0:23:08 > 0:23:10Which, let's be honest, if we're being called beautiful
0:23:10 > 0:23:13and gorgeous, we'd all be smiling like that.
0:23:17 > 0:23:18When did I come out?
0:23:18 > 0:23:20A year and a half ago.
0:23:20 > 0:23:23"I want to transition, but don't have the guts to come out."
0:23:24 > 0:23:27This is the activism she's talking about.
0:23:27 > 0:23:29It's happening right in front of my eyes.
0:23:29 > 0:23:31I mean, it is scary.
0:23:31 > 0:23:34It's really hard for a while, but...
0:23:37 > 0:23:39..your life gets so much better.
0:23:39 > 0:23:42By the point that you're questioning,
0:23:42 > 0:23:44it's probably for you,
0:23:44 > 0:23:47and you should probably do something about it, but
0:23:47 > 0:23:50I'm not going to tell you how, cos I don't know your situation.
0:23:50 > 0:23:53If you need a bit more help with it, though... If you want me to
0:23:53 > 0:23:54talk you through it more in-depth,
0:23:54 > 0:23:56and tell you how I came out and stuff, then...
0:23:58 > 0:24:01..if you follow me on Twitter, you can message me there,
0:24:01 > 0:24:03and I'm always willing to help out trans people.
0:24:06 > 0:24:09To have that one-to-one advocacy
0:24:09 > 0:24:13and help from someone who's done that journey before you
0:24:13 > 0:24:16is incredible, and for it to come from a porn site
0:24:16 > 0:24:21is the last place you'd expect, but she's using her platform for good.
0:24:23 > 0:24:26- OK.- Yeah! Thanks, Poop.
0:24:26 > 0:24:29Cookie has reached her milestone to get her underwear off.
0:24:29 > 0:24:32Whoa.
0:24:32 > 0:24:34That is everything, isn't it?
0:24:34 > 0:24:35It's all there.
0:24:37 > 0:24:39People are saying, "Great cock."
0:24:41 > 0:24:43It just hit me.
0:24:44 > 0:24:47There are people watching this now,
0:24:47 > 0:24:50masturbating.
0:24:50 > 0:24:52I never thought of it until now.
0:24:52 > 0:24:56There are potentially 307 people touching themselves
0:24:56 > 0:24:59right now, watching her.
0:24:59 > 0:25:00Wow.
0:25:04 > 0:25:05That's a lot of come.
0:25:09 > 0:25:11Right, guys. I'm going to have to go.
0:25:11 > 0:25:14I will see you all after Christmas. Bye-bye.
0:25:14 > 0:25:16She's done. Let's go and see her on set.
0:25:22 > 0:25:25Come on in.
0:25:25 > 0:25:26- Hi.- Hello.
0:25:26 > 0:25:28How are you feeling?
0:25:28 > 0:25:30Good, yeah.
0:25:31 > 0:25:34It was a bit of a slower show than usual.
0:25:34 > 0:25:37There was a real split down the middle of
0:25:37 > 0:25:40questions that were asking you to, you know,
0:25:40 > 0:25:42come and suck yourself off
0:25:42 > 0:25:46and then the other side you had these real, genuine questions
0:25:46 > 0:25:49that were asking you about how to come out as a trans person.
0:25:49 > 0:25:53Which side do you prefer getting more or...
0:25:53 > 0:25:57Definitely the trans related stuff.
0:25:57 > 0:26:01That stuff is awesome. I love the fact that that comes up in my chat.
0:26:01 > 0:26:06I love the fact that I've been able to cultivate a fanbase
0:26:06 > 0:26:08that feels safe talking to me about these things.
0:26:08 > 0:26:12Do you feel empowered after coming off a show like that?
0:26:12 > 0:26:13What is the feeling?
0:26:13 > 0:26:17It's kind of like a post euphoria.
0:26:17 > 0:26:20- You feeling it now?- A little bit.
0:26:20 > 0:26:22- Yeah, it's...- Explain it to me.
0:26:22 > 0:26:24I don't know. I love my job, so
0:26:24 > 0:26:27it's like coming home from a really, really good day at the office
0:26:27 > 0:26:31for a lot of people, I guess, like, closed a deal or something.
0:26:31 > 0:26:34Is porn going to be your career now forever?
0:26:34 > 0:26:37Is that going to be what you are all about?
0:26:37 > 0:26:44I would like it to be. Certainly if not as a model, in producing.
0:26:45 > 0:26:47It's a great force for change if you use it...
0:26:47 > 0:26:49- Correctly.- Yeah.
0:26:52 > 0:26:53The porn landscape is far more
0:26:53 > 0:26:56diverse than I'd ever really considered -
0:26:56 > 0:26:59different people, proclivities, producers and politics.
0:26:59 > 0:27:03One iconic and controversial US performer, Buck Angel,
0:27:03 > 0:27:06has spent 20 years as a porn activist.
0:27:09 > 0:27:12What makes you a man or what makes you a woman is here.
0:27:12 > 0:27:13Totally here.
0:27:13 > 0:27:16If you don't even want to say you're a man or a woman, who cares?
0:27:16 > 0:27:19We're so hooked on this male and female thing.
0:27:19 > 0:27:22It doesn't really matter. Just be who you are.
0:27:22 > 0:27:25Be comfortable in front of the world.
0:27:25 > 0:27:29So let's just get straight into it. What got you into porn?
0:27:29 > 0:27:33There was no representation of a man like myself in porn,
0:27:33 > 0:27:35and so I was working in porn
0:27:35 > 0:27:40and then I noticed there was a huge, huge
0:27:40 > 0:27:42niche of transgender women porn.
0:27:42 > 0:27:44And I was like, "Wow, how come
0:27:44 > 0:27:46"there's no transman? That's so weird."
0:27:46 > 0:27:50And then I just did it. I just invented myself and did it,
0:27:50 > 0:27:54but actually with no blessings from any of the communities,
0:27:54 > 0:27:56no blessings from the porn community,
0:27:56 > 0:27:59and no blessings from the trans community. They hated it.
0:27:59 > 0:28:03Why did they hate you so much? Cos you are a controversial figure.
0:28:03 > 0:28:05The reason why they disliked me in the beginning
0:28:05 > 0:28:07was because they didn't understand.
0:28:07 > 0:28:10Nobody understood to see a man with a vagina.
0:28:10 > 0:28:13They were very upset about it. And then in the trans male community
0:28:13 > 0:28:16they were upset about it because when I started in 2002,
0:28:16 > 0:28:19the men like myself wanted to have penises and they thought
0:28:19 > 0:28:21having a penis was being a man,
0:28:21 > 0:28:24and so they were very upset that I was sort of putting out this
0:28:24 > 0:28:27sort of different idea of what it means to be a man
0:28:27 > 0:28:30and so I think that I was going against the grain in a lot of ways.
0:28:30 > 0:28:32I spoke to a couple of people
0:28:32 > 0:28:36in the process of making this film that still feel a little bit
0:28:36 > 0:28:39uncomfortable with the idea of
0:28:39 > 0:28:40a famous man with a vagina.
0:28:40 > 0:28:43Do you think that will ever be a thing that people will accept?
0:28:43 > 0:28:47It feels very important for me to continue to push these ideas
0:28:47 > 0:28:51of this structure that we have about what it means
0:28:51 > 0:28:54to be male or female or what it means to be gay or straight.
0:28:54 > 0:28:56And that's exactly what my work does,
0:28:56 > 0:28:58so when you tell me that people still say that,
0:28:58 > 0:29:02that says to me that, "Wow, we have a lot of work to do."
0:29:02 > 0:29:06Is there more of a taboo about watching trans porn
0:29:06 > 0:29:08versus mainstream heterosexual porn?
0:29:08 > 0:29:13For sure, because it is still very, very much considered taboo,
0:29:13 > 0:29:16and not talked about within the cisgender community,
0:29:16 > 0:29:19or it's very secretive if it is.
0:29:19 > 0:29:24What can be done to make it a lot more, like you said, normal?
0:29:24 > 0:29:28You have to create visibility, because what visibility does is
0:29:28 > 0:29:32it enables people to make their own decisions and their own choices,
0:29:32 > 0:29:34where right now we're being told, we've been told forever,
0:29:34 > 0:29:38that pornography is a bad thing and a dirty thing and a horrible thing.
0:29:38 > 0:29:40But if we create great images of
0:29:40 > 0:29:42pornography and we create, you know,
0:29:42 > 0:29:44positive people working in it,
0:29:44 > 0:29:46what that does is it changes people's idea of what
0:29:46 > 0:29:47pornography is about.
0:29:47 > 0:29:50So for me, really, being visible and creating visibility
0:29:50 > 0:29:54- is the way to make change.- What is pornography about to you?
0:29:54 > 0:29:56My pornography is activism.
0:29:56 > 0:29:59It is nothing more than that. It's a way for me to
0:29:59 > 0:30:01teach people to learn to love themselves,
0:30:01 > 0:30:03no matter what, and to understand that
0:30:03 > 0:30:07masturbation, sex, learning your body,
0:30:07 > 0:30:11is part of being a human and part of
0:30:11 > 0:30:12love and acceptance.
0:30:12 > 0:30:15Sex is a good, positive thing. So that's what my pornography is about.
0:30:15 > 0:30:17It's about teaching people to love themselves
0:30:17 > 0:30:20and understanding that sex is very positive.
0:30:20 > 0:30:24Do you think porn sort of made you into an accidental activist?
0:30:24 > 0:30:26That's a great title.
0:30:26 > 0:30:28You can use it. It's all yours.
0:30:28 > 0:30:30Actually, 100%.
0:30:30 > 0:30:33100%. I never wanted to be an activist.
0:30:33 > 0:30:34That was not what my work was about.
0:30:34 > 0:30:36It was about just making porn and
0:30:36 > 0:30:39showing a representation. I had no idea what it meant to be
0:30:39 > 0:30:42an activist. I had no idea what it meant to be controversial.
0:30:42 > 0:30:44I had none of that. I just
0:30:44 > 0:30:46worked in porn, and I realised that porn
0:30:46 > 0:30:51was a great way for me to make money and to put myself out there.
0:30:51 > 0:30:54Yeah, I really am an accidental activist, 100%.
0:30:54 > 0:30:56Well, Buck, it was such a pleasure talking to you.
0:30:56 > 0:30:58Right on, my friend.
0:30:58 > 0:31:00I don't even know you that well and I'm proud of you.
0:31:00 > 0:31:02No, I love you too, my friend.
0:31:02 > 0:31:05- Have a lovely day.- OK.- Bye, Buck. - Bye.
0:31:05 > 0:31:07Weird pornography?
0:31:07 > 0:31:08I'm sure there's stuff out there.
0:31:08 > 0:31:11My search engine's pretty clean.
0:31:11 > 0:31:13Erm, yeah, the fisting.
0:31:13 > 0:31:14I mean...
0:31:14 > 0:31:18Anyone putting any household objects in themselves or up themselves,
0:31:18 > 0:31:20not for me. Not for me.
0:31:20 > 0:31:22Just thinking about it...
0:31:22 > 0:31:25Inserting your whole...
0:31:25 > 0:31:29In.. Oh, yeah. That, to me, is very interesting.
0:31:29 > 0:31:32Strangest things to do with gay porn...
0:31:32 > 0:31:33Do you know what? Nothing shocks me.
0:31:33 > 0:31:36I can watch anything and nothing shocks me any more.
0:31:38 > 0:31:41Today's the day. I am in Central London,
0:31:41 > 0:31:45and I'm on my way to George's big porn shoot.
0:31:46 > 0:31:48It's funny to think that all the
0:31:48 > 0:31:50people around me on their way to work have absolutely no idea
0:31:50 > 0:31:52what's about to go down
0:31:52 > 0:31:54just up here.
0:31:54 > 0:31:55- George, there you are!- Hey!
0:31:55 > 0:31:58- How you doing? You all right? - What's up?
0:31:58 > 0:31:59- Good to see you.- How are we today?
0:31:59 > 0:32:01Good, yeah. I'm excited.
0:32:01 > 0:32:03Wow, look at this.
0:32:04 > 0:32:06I wasn't expecting something so...
0:32:06 > 0:32:08profesh.
0:32:08 > 0:32:10Porn dogs, my favourite kind.
0:32:11 > 0:32:14Oh, wait, wait, wait, we've got sex going on here.
0:32:16 > 0:32:19OK, the sex has already started.
0:32:22 > 0:32:24OK, this was not the porn I was hoping for.
0:32:25 > 0:32:28When you were, like in school, when you were younger,
0:32:28 > 0:32:30is this what you envisaged
0:32:30 > 0:32:32- your life being? - I've always loved sex.
0:32:32 > 0:32:34Always loved sex.
0:32:34 > 0:32:37And obviously when it happened, I was like, "Yeah!
0:32:37 > 0:32:40"I can do what I love doing and get paid for it."
0:32:40 > 0:32:42Is this your full time job now?
0:32:42 > 0:32:45- Oh, so it's not? - No, I have a day job as well.
0:32:45 > 0:32:47- What's that? - I'm the manager of a call centre.
0:32:52 > 0:32:55I think we might leave this one off, because this one does not
0:32:55 > 0:32:56sound like it's made the transport.
0:32:57 > 0:33:00Before today, what kind of checks and stuff
0:33:00 > 0:33:01had to be done?
0:33:01 > 0:33:04Everybody has to go to the sex clinic,
0:33:04 > 0:33:06and they have to bring the certificate.
0:33:06 > 0:33:09We also have the HIV testing kits, but I don't need to do them today,
0:33:09 > 0:33:11because that was included in the test.
0:33:11 > 0:33:14Talk me through the direction of what you want the boys to do,
0:33:14 > 0:33:17so either specific positions, or...
0:33:17 > 0:33:20Right, so you've got bent over like this
0:33:20 > 0:33:22and we've got doggy style. This is doggy.
0:33:22 > 0:33:24We're thinking boy like this...
0:33:24 > 0:33:26like this. We're thinking guy behind him,
0:33:26 > 0:33:28and we're underneath, cock and balls.
0:33:28 > 0:33:29You're right there.
0:33:29 > 0:33:31- Right there. - In the action.- Yeah, yeah.
0:33:33 > 0:33:34Now, we've got to dress you.
0:33:34 > 0:33:37- We've got some nice chavvy clothes for you today.- Are you serious?
0:33:37 > 0:33:38I want to give you the camera,
0:33:38 > 0:33:41maybe give you a feel of directing and producing a video?
0:33:41 > 0:33:42Are you looking forward to filming?
0:33:42 > 0:33:44Well, I didn't know I was filming until
0:33:44 > 0:33:46this minute, to be honest with you.
0:33:46 > 0:33:48Well, you don't want to just be a spare tyre or anything.
0:33:48 > 0:33:51No, I'm excited now that I get to be part of this amazing thing.
0:33:51 > 0:33:55I mean, you get this close to the bed. Unfortunately, you can't go...
0:33:55 > 0:33:57- This is the barrier. - This is the BBC barrier.
0:33:57 > 0:33:58This is the BBC barrier.
0:34:00 > 0:34:02What have we gotten ourselves into?
0:34:02 > 0:34:04- This had got to be one hell of a day.- Yeah, innit?
0:34:04 > 0:34:07I am excited for my eyes to be opened
0:34:07 > 0:34:08to this wonderful world of porn.
0:34:11 > 0:34:14Can I confirm that everyone's signed the model release forms
0:34:14 > 0:34:19and your IDs, two forms, and done the picture next to your face?
0:34:21 > 0:34:24Mother, this is my job. You have to accept it.
0:34:24 > 0:34:27This is just... This is part of what I do now.
0:34:27 > 0:34:30What we want to do is we want to cancel out
0:34:30 > 0:34:33these nasty, harsh shadows.
0:34:33 > 0:34:37- Hey!- Oh, my God! You look so fucking different.
0:34:37 > 0:34:38All right!
0:34:40 > 0:34:41Do you like it, George?
0:34:41 > 0:34:44I was, like, taking the piss with this.
0:34:44 > 0:34:45- But, yeah.- Go like that...
0:34:46 > 0:34:49And when you take pictures, it's always like a little...
0:34:49 > 0:34:51You pull a little...
0:34:51 > 0:34:53Ooh, he's like a little otter, isn't he?
0:34:53 > 0:34:56We're going to start off with...
0:34:56 > 0:34:59Everyone clothed, and then we're just going to slowly remove
0:34:59 > 0:35:01the layer, do the onion effect.
0:35:01 > 0:35:05In my personal life, I'm not that big into just sleeping around.
0:35:06 > 0:35:08Can you show us your bum?
0:35:08 > 0:35:12And look at me, both of you, and then look at the bum.
0:35:12 > 0:35:14How did it all start?
0:35:14 > 0:35:16How did you get into it for the first time?
0:35:16 > 0:35:17I left my job cos I hated it.
0:35:17 > 0:35:20I was just like feeling a bit crap about myself,
0:35:20 > 0:35:22so I was like, "Oh, I'll just take some pictures."
0:35:22 > 0:35:25Not really intending for anything to come back,
0:35:25 > 0:35:29and then I got an email back from
0:35:29 > 0:35:31the site and then... Yeah.
0:35:31 > 0:35:34- Just went from there, really. - Why do you enjoy doing it so much?
0:35:34 > 0:35:37I think because of where I come from.
0:35:37 > 0:35:40Small, quiet city, no gay people,
0:35:40 > 0:35:42nobody I find attractive,
0:35:42 > 0:35:44I was never able to, like, be myself.
0:35:44 > 0:35:47Even if I did go out, I was getting, like, aggro for it.
0:35:47 > 0:35:52So I just never went out and that kind of like made me more
0:35:52 > 0:35:55insecure, and then I started doing this and it's helped
0:35:55 > 0:35:58my confidence come up and that.
0:35:59 > 0:36:02They're so confident. They're just
0:36:02 > 0:36:04any opportunity, just out.
0:36:04 > 0:36:05It's amazing.
0:36:13 > 0:36:15- Is the sex happening now?- Yeah.
0:36:15 > 0:36:17The sex.
0:36:23 > 0:36:26Clyde, what do you do when you're not on screen?
0:36:26 > 0:36:29I just... This is the only thing that I do at the moment.
0:36:29 > 0:36:31The reason why I went into porn is because
0:36:31 > 0:36:33it saved me from being homeless.
0:36:33 > 0:36:37I literally had no money and no-one would help us.
0:36:38 > 0:36:40The only thing I could think of is porn.
0:36:42 > 0:36:45You do get looked down upon, most of the time.
0:36:45 > 0:36:48People say, "Oh, it's a skank job."
0:36:48 > 0:36:50You know, "You're selling your body and that."
0:36:50 > 0:36:54Before porn, I didn't really feel like anything.
0:36:54 > 0:36:57I felt insecure about myself. I weren't cute or attractive.
0:36:57 > 0:37:01No-one really goes up to me in the street and says it.
0:37:01 > 0:37:03So when I had the Twitter account
0:37:03 > 0:37:06and I put all my porn on there,
0:37:06 > 0:37:09I was getting so many followers and I was just surprised
0:37:09 > 0:37:12at how many people actually liked me.
0:37:12 > 0:37:13- Was it a buzz?- Yeah.
0:37:13 > 0:37:16And so now I just want to do porn for my fans,
0:37:16 > 0:37:20the ones who want it and more fans have started following
0:37:20 > 0:37:23and it's just making me want to do more for them to keep them happy,
0:37:23 > 0:37:26cos it makes me happy, knowing other people like it.
0:37:31 > 0:37:35So if we can all, like, hold hands. This is the porn prayer.
0:37:35 > 0:37:39Before each porn scene I do, we do a thing where we pray to the
0:37:39 > 0:37:41porn god called Pablo.
0:37:41 > 0:37:44- OK.- Close your eyes.
0:37:44 > 0:37:46So we're praying to you, Pablo the porn god,
0:37:46 > 0:37:48please give us a good scene today,
0:37:48 > 0:37:51no hiccups, no fuck-ups, straight scene.
0:37:51 > 0:37:54Let's fuck, let's come up someone's bum.
0:37:54 > 0:37:56Let's all have a very good scene.
0:37:56 > 0:37:59Please, Pablo, give us a good scene. Amen.
0:37:59 > 0:38:00ALL: Amen.
0:38:00 > 0:38:02- There we go.- Wow, I feel cleansed.
0:38:02 > 0:38:05I feel good, yeah.
0:38:05 > 0:38:07How are we going to start? Can we just have a little,
0:38:07 > 0:38:09quick run-down? So we're going to do the...
0:38:09 > 0:38:10The kissing, the oral...
0:38:10 > 0:38:13I want this to start maybe in the action.
0:38:13 > 0:38:15I don't think it's ever going to be, like...
0:38:15 > 0:38:17And remember, lots of noises as well.
0:38:19 > 0:38:22GROANING
0:38:26 > 0:38:28WHISPERING: They seem to be really enjoying it.
0:38:31 > 0:38:32It's weird.
0:38:32 > 0:38:36It's hot, but it's also not.
0:38:36 > 0:38:39It's like I feel like I shouldn't be here.
0:38:40 > 0:38:45It's so different to watching it on a screen. It's like there.
0:38:47 > 0:38:50Guys, I need you to show me a little bit more of what's going on.
0:38:50 > 0:38:51Can we open it up here?
0:38:51 > 0:38:54This is the stage. This is where the audience is looking at.
0:38:54 > 0:38:57And well done so far. You've done very good.
0:38:57 > 0:38:58You want me to do it now?
0:38:58 > 0:39:00The guy's going to reapply some lube,
0:39:00 > 0:39:02and then he's going to go in there again, and yeah,
0:39:02 > 0:39:03if you want to take over now.
0:39:03 > 0:39:05I mean, I've filmed hundreds of YouTube videos,
0:39:05 > 0:39:08but this is next level.
0:39:08 > 0:39:10Do you like that?
0:39:17 > 0:39:19You keep doing that.
0:39:20 > 0:39:24He's doing a good job. He's doing a good job.
0:39:24 > 0:39:26OK, so wait...
0:39:26 > 0:39:28Well, you went in, didn't you?
0:39:28 > 0:39:29Do you like that?
0:39:31 > 0:39:33Faster.
0:39:33 > 0:39:35OK, that's it, yeah.
0:39:35 > 0:39:38That does it. Guys, you were brilliant.
0:39:38 > 0:39:39You guys really did a great job.
0:39:42 > 0:39:45Drink, guys?
0:39:45 > 0:39:47I think we're getting close to going, yeah?
0:39:47 > 0:39:51OK, good luck. I'll see you downstairs when you're done.
0:39:51 > 0:39:53OK, bye.
0:39:58 > 0:40:00I'm in shock.
0:40:00 > 0:40:04I thought I'd be really turned on by it, but I'm not.
0:40:04 > 0:40:06This is not what I expected at all.
0:40:06 > 0:40:10I think for the boys it's like another day at the office.
0:40:10 > 0:40:12It was an eye-opener to shoot some of it myself, but...
0:40:14 > 0:40:17..it was so uncomfortable,
0:40:17 > 0:40:19telling this guy what to do.
0:40:20 > 0:40:22I don't know. It just feels weird. I feel a little bit...
0:40:24 > 0:40:27- The BBC, they're there?- Hi.- Hey.
0:40:27 > 0:40:29What happened?
0:40:29 > 0:40:31George, did you get naked?
0:40:31 > 0:40:33I did, yeah. That was...
0:40:33 > 0:40:36I was not meant to be naked. That scene heated up.
0:40:36 > 0:40:39- Don't take this personally. The minute you left.- Oh, well.
0:40:39 > 0:40:42- No, no, no, I didn't mean that personally.- So it's a hit?- Yeah.
0:40:44 > 0:40:46Oh, yeah, baby. There's a shower upstairs.
0:40:48 > 0:40:52'Society's relationship with porn has always been complicated,
0:40:52 > 0:40:55'but pornography often provides the first insight
0:40:55 > 0:40:58'into sexuality for young queer people.
0:40:58 > 0:41:00'The plethora of porn available
0:41:00 > 0:41:03'is as varied as those of us who watch it.'
0:41:03 > 0:41:07What happened after I left, guys? Because it all seemed to, like...
0:41:07 > 0:41:08climax really quickly?
0:41:08 > 0:41:11Clyde got hard really quickly
0:41:11 > 0:41:13through George trying to get him hard.
0:41:13 > 0:41:15- Clyde started- BLEEP- George,
0:41:15 > 0:41:17- and then I started- BLEEP- George at the same time,
0:41:17 > 0:41:21and then everybody just come.
0:41:21 > 0:41:22Like, all at the same time, basically?
0:41:22 > 0:41:24- I come first, while I was- BLEEP- him,
0:41:24 > 0:41:27- but Clyde was- BLEEP- him at the same time as well,
0:41:27 > 0:41:29then Clyde come and then you come.
0:41:29 > 0:41:31And then George come at the end.
0:41:31 > 0:41:33Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
0:41:33 > 0:41:35'Titillation, masturbation,
0:41:35 > 0:41:38'validation and education.
0:41:38 > 0:41:41'It's a chance not only to explore our deepest fantasies,
0:41:41 > 0:41:43'but to write our own queer narrative.'
0:41:43 > 0:41:46Do you think what you created here today is generally
0:41:46 > 0:41:49very positive for the LGBTQ community?
0:41:49 > 0:41:51Yeah, I mean, it's porn.
0:41:51 > 0:41:54People want to watch porn. It's good porn to watch.
0:41:54 > 0:41:58I know you want to get dressed and have a bit of food, you're starving.
0:41:58 > 0:42:02- I'll let you do that and I'll chat to you in a bit, yeah?- Sure, OK.
0:42:03 > 0:42:06You just kind of forget that there's naked people around,
0:42:06 > 0:42:09just like, you know, it just becomes normal, doesn't it?
0:42:09 > 0:42:10PHONE RINGS