0:00:02 > 0:00:04Being a British guy in 2015 is not easy.
0:00:04 > 0:00:0721-century pressures are changing.
0:00:07 > 0:00:09No way.
0:00:09 > 0:00:14- The way we live... - Women are seen as superior to men.
0:00:14 > 0:00:15..the way we love...
0:00:15 > 0:00:17If you are a Muslim, you cannot be gay.
0:00:17 > 0:00:19It's as simple as that.
0:00:19 > 0:00:20..even the way we look.
0:00:20 > 0:00:21That's silicone?
0:00:21 > 0:00:24- Yeah.- This is mental.
0:00:24 > 0:00:27In this series, I'm travelling to the extreme edge...
0:00:27 > 0:00:28HE GRUNTS
0:00:28 > 0:00:30..of modern British masculinity.
0:00:30 > 0:00:32They basically said, "The only way you can stay
0:00:32 > 0:00:35"is if you agree to be exorcised to get the demons out of you."
0:00:35 > 0:00:4050 years after women began a march for equal rights,
0:00:40 > 0:00:43the battle of the sexes is being fought on a new front.
0:00:43 > 0:00:48The state of gender relations is at its worse, probably, for 100 years.
0:00:48 > 0:00:51But this time, it's not by women...
0:00:51 > 0:00:53Men rape, men rape.
0:00:53 > 0:00:55That's all we hear about - that men are rapists.
0:00:55 > 0:00:57..it's by young men.
0:00:57 > 0:01:00Men get murdered more, commit suicide more,
0:01:00 > 0:01:01men are homeless more,
0:01:01 > 0:01:05men are raped more in prison than women are, total.
0:01:05 > 0:01:08I want to know why so many young guys feel overlooked...
0:01:08 > 0:01:13Women are no longer trained to submit to a man, to serve a man.
0:01:14 > 0:01:16..overly judged...
0:01:16 > 0:01:18I think the UK, especially the media, needs to decide
0:01:18 > 0:01:20whether or not they want freedom of speech
0:01:20 > 0:01:23or they want to stop people being offended by comedy.
0:01:23 > 0:01:25..and under attack.
0:01:25 > 0:01:29I feel there's sort of that concerted attempt to shut men up.
0:01:29 > 0:01:32And as growing numbers take to the internet...
0:01:32 > 0:01:35'Hello? Hello?'
0:01:35 > 0:01:37..and social media becomes a weapon of hate,
0:01:37 > 0:01:40I want to find out why a new generation of men
0:01:40 > 0:01:44thinks the real victims of sex discrimination are guys.
0:01:44 > 0:01:47I'm pretty confident that women's issues are being dealt with.
0:01:47 > 0:01:49Men's issues, not so much.
0:01:49 > 0:01:55This programme contains some strong language.
0:01:57 > 0:02:00It's Sunday morning. The perfect time for a lecture
0:02:00 > 0:02:03by a man who teaches guys how to get more sex.
0:02:04 > 0:02:07Meet American blogger Roosh V.
0:02:07 > 0:02:10So, what I wanted to talk about today is having sex with
0:02:10 > 0:02:12girls you don't really like.
0:02:12 > 0:02:15I probably am not going to spend more than a couple hours just
0:02:15 > 0:02:19to access their warm, moist cavity hole.
0:02:19 > 0:02:22'Roosh made his name as a so-called pick-up artist,
0:02:22 > 0:02:24'writing guides for young men on how to sleep with women
0:02:24 > 0:02:25'around the world.'
0:02:25 > 0:02:27He's got a book called 30 Bangs.
0:02:28 > 0:02:30Wha... What?!
0:02:31 > 0:02:37Bang Ukraine, Bang Iceland, Bang Poland, Bang Lithuania.
0:02:38 > 0:02:41Don't Bang Denmark. Apparently, Denmark isn't worth banging.
0:02:44 > 0:02:47But in 2012, a US civil rights group included
0:02:47 > 0:02:52Roosh on a list of websites they branded hateful and misogynistic.
0:02:52 > 0:02:53British girls are busted.
0:02:53 > 0:02:56You know they are not that old but they just look old,
0:02:56 > 0:02:58like they have been working in a factory or coal mine
0:02:58 > 0:03:00their entire lives.
0:03:00 > 0:03:02But he hasn't let that hold him back -
0:03:02 > 0:03:03he's now on a world tour.
0:03:05 > 0:03:08'Though from the sounds of it, he's expecting trouble...'
0:03:08 > 0:03:12He's actually kept the venues that he's doing his events at a secret.
0:03:12 > 0:03:14Up until the very last minute.
0:03:14 > 0:03:16According to his website, the reason is
0:03:16 > 0:03:18that he is worried about feminists.
0:03:18 > 0:03:21Is what he is doing and saying
0:03:21 > 0:03:25so offensive that people are going to try and shut down this event?
0:03:25 > 0:03:27The name of the talk is The State Of Man.
0:03:27 > 0:03:31One of the first bullet points in terms of what his speech will
0:03:31 > 0:03:35contain is something about the paradox of modern women.
0:03:35 > 0:03:38It feels like it's a lot broader than,
0:03:38 > 0:03:41here is how to chat up a lady that you fancy at the bar.
0:03:47 > 0:03:51'On the outside, it doesn't look like anyone is about to storm the doors.
0:03:53 > 0:03:57'But inside, I'm starting to notice a real atmosphere.'
0:03:59 > 0:04:01Thanks. 'I'm not sure anyone wants me here.
0:04:03 > 0:04:06'We've already agreed not to show the faces of anyone who wants
0:04:06 > 0:04:08'to remain anonymous.'
0:04:08 > 0:04:10I'm pretty sure this is the first time
0:04:10 > 0:04:13I filmed anywhere where EVERYONE insists on it.
0:04:14 > 0:04:17Roosh's topic today is the state of man -
0:04:17 > 0:04:19maybe it is more controversial than I expected.
0:04:21 > 0:04:23Sorry to jump in front of the queue.
0:04:23 > 0:04:25I just want to say thank you for having us here, man.
0:04:25 > 0:04:28A lot of people have turned up today to hear you speak.
0:04:28 > 0:04:29The reason I came here is
0:04:29 > 0:04:35because the percentage of English men who read me is very large.
0:04:35 > 0:04:40And that is a weird thing because I'm not from here.
0:04:40 > 0:04:43The problem is, men are not allowed to speak the views that
0:04:43 > 0:04:45I am speaking.
0:04:45 > 0:04:49It takes an outsider to come here and not be afraid
0:04:49 > 0:04:52of the hate crime laws that you guys have to give the truth.
0:04:52 > 0:04:56And so I wish there were more men here who could share their views
0:04:56 > 0:04:59but if they do, we all know that people are going to go
0:04:59 > 0:05:02after their jobs and shame them.
0:05:04 > 0:05:07You've got all shapes and sizes in here.
0:05:07 > 0:05:13It is really a broad spectrum as well in terms of race and background.
0:05:13 > 0:05:16And it actually feels quite excitable in here.
0:05:16 > 0:05:18You know, there is a room full of men who are excited
0:05:18 > 0:05:20about what they are about to hear.
0:05:20 > 0:05:21So am I.
0:05:25 > 0:05:28Something has happened in the past 50 years
0:05:28 > 0:05:33where women are no longer trained to submit to a man,
0:05:33 > 0:05:35to serve a man.
0:05:35 > 0:05:38The very idea of beauty
0:05:38 > 0:05:44and aesthetics is being demolished to where now women are being
0:05:44 > 0:05:49applauded and encouraged to look like fat, outer space cyborgs.
0:05:51 > 0:05:57Women and gays are seen as superior to straight men.
0:05:57 > 0:06:01Anything that a woman or a gay person wants is theirs.
0:06:02 > 0:06:06But anything YOU want - sorry, we cannot help you.
0:06:08 > 0:06:13All of you here are seen as rapists.
0:06:13 > 0:06:16You have to be taught how not to rape by a feminist
0:06:16 > 0:06:17who is really fat.
0:06:17 > 0:06:21'Now, these aren't really the dating tips that I was expecting.
0:06:21 > 0:06:24'This is beginning to sound more like a conspiracy theory.'
0:06:24 > 0:06:25The bad news...
0:06:26 > 0:06:28..is that we haven't hit the bottom.
0:06:30 > 0:06:34Do you think that eventually this will become a political movement?
0:06:35 > 0:06:37And if the answer is yes...
0:06:37 > 0:06:40I'd like to put in my application to work for you.
0:06:40 > 0:06:41LAUGHTER
0:06:41 > 0:06:42That is not a joke.
0:06:45 > 0:06:51I have a daughter and sometimes I do fear for her upbringing.
0:06:51 > 0:06:55I think I'm doing a fairly good job. I try and set, you know,
0:06:55 > 0:06:59a good moral guideline for her to follow.
0:07:00 > 0:07:04But what am I going to do to stop her from becoming
0:07:04 > 0:07:07the worst of what we see in society today?
0:07:08 > 0:07:13You should give her a man to marry at a young age - 18.
0:07:13 > 0:07:17At least when she is 30, you have three or four grandkids.
0:07:18 > 0:07:19Or she is going to be what?
0:07:19 > 0:07:23She is going to work in a job, one bad boy after the next.
0:07:23 > 0:07:26Many of you, actually, are going to use her.
0:07:26 > 0:07:31I don't think you should give her the freedom and the choice.
0:07:31 > 0:07:34What does Reggie think about what we discussed today?
0:07:34 > 0:07:37It's been a much broader talk than I expected, in all honesty.
0:07:37 > 0:07:41I sort of came here expecting to hear how to pick up women.
0:07:41 > 0:07:45But it seems to be more about masculinity more than anything else.
0:07:45 > 0:07:50Now, I take it that you have achieved a level of fame here.
0:07:50 > 0:07:54How have you leveraged that fame to sleep with the women that you want?
0:07:54 > 0:07:56- LAUGHTER - I really want to know that.
0:07:56 > 0:07:59Like, is it easy? Like, do girls just come up to you?
0:07:59 > 0:08:01I've been doing what I do for a long time.
0:08:01 > 0:08:03I started in television when I was eight years old,
0:08:03 > 0:08:05so this isn't new to me any more.
0:08:05 > 0:08:07- Are you gay? - LAUGHTER
0:08:07 > 0:08:09No.
0:08:09 > 0:08:12- I'm actually engaged to be married. - Oh, OK. All right, never mind.
0:08:12 > 0:08:13Yeah.
0:08:13 > 0:08:16Out of interest, just how big do you think what it is that
0:08:16 > 0:08:18you are doing here will actually get?
0:08:18 > 0:08:23- The sites that I run touch over one million people every month.- Wow.
0:08:23 > 0:08:25And maybe they are not willing to come here and pay,
0:08:25 > 0:08:29but the ideas that I share is growing and growing.
0:08:29 > 0:08:31All right, follow me out, lads, please.
0:08:31 > 0:08:35'And then, just when I think no-one will go on camera,
0:08:35 > 0:08:37'two men agree to meet me outside.'
0:08:37 > 0:08:39Adam runs his own business
0:08:39 > 0:08:42and Lorenzo is studying to be a barrister.
0:08:42 > 0:08:45So, what is it that has actually brought you guys here today?
0:08:45 > 0:08:47Why have you decided to come down?
0:08:47 > 0:08:50Well, what has brought me here really is I thought there's
0:08:50 > 0:08:54sort of that concerted attempt to shut men up, recently.
0:08:54 > 0:08:59- Right.- The past few years. And we are sort of losing ground.
0:08:59 > 0:09:03The BBC doesn't have a great, you know, doesn't get a great flak
0:09:03 > 0:09:05when it comes to these sort of things at all.
0:09:05 > 0:09:09They do seem to be on the side of what's, you know, what is right-on.
0:09:09 > 0:09:11- Yeah.- And feminism is the fashionable cause.
0:09:11 > 0:09:14What sort of man is attracted to an event like today, do you think?
0:09:14 > 0:09:19Somebody who wants to engage with a very international,
0:09:19 > 0:09:21as you can see, group of...
0:09:23 > 0:09:26..concerned fellow travellers who...
0:09:27 > 0:09:30..are interested in discussing these problems.
0:09:30 > 0:09:34I mean, look in here. These people are now mixing together.
0:09:34 > 0:09:37- And very few of them have met one another before.- Yeah.
0:09:39 > 0:09:43The funny thing is, whilst these guys want to meet women,
0:09:43 > 0:09:44and that is what Roosh sells,
0:09:44 > 0:09:47some of them don't seem to like them very much.
0:09:47 > 0:09:52And there are some really offensive strong views from what,
0:09:52 > 0:09:57on face value, seems to be the meekest of the meek.
0:09:57 > 0:09:59The most normal-looking guys
0:09:59 > 0:10:03and they have these views that are just unbelievable.
0:10:03 > 0:10:06The thing that worries me most
0:10:06 > 0:10:10is that a lot of the ideas that are coming out of that room
0:10:10 > 0:10:14might be more commonplace than I probably assumed this morning.
0:10:20 > 0:10:23Nevertheless, many of the men I met at the seminar claimed they had
0:10:23 > 0:10:29to hide their views and their faces for fear of repercussions at work.
0:10:29 > 0:10:33There is one guy whose view on this I'd really like to hear.
0:10:34 > 0:10:38Comedian Daniel O'Reilly built an online audience in the millions with
0:10:38 > 0:10:41short Vines showing proper geezer Dapper Laughs out on the pull...
0:10:41 > 0:10:45- What is your name?- Carly. - Carly. Fuckin' she knows.
0:10:47 > 0:10:51Carly. Carly. You are lovely. Sh! Hey, you're lovely.
0:10:51 > 0:10:54I've always had a thing for lovely women. Do you want to see it?
0:10:54 > 0:10:56Hey, hey!
0:10:56 > 0:11:00..and landed himself a mainstream TV series off the back of his success.
0:11:00 > 0:11:03Girls, all the girls down in front are always the same.
0:11:03 > 0:11:06They start off in the beginning, "Dapper! Dapper!"
0:11:06 > 0:11:09Halfway through the show, "Dapper! Dapper!"
0:11:09 > 0:11:13- After the show... - MUFFLED VOICE:- "Dapper! Dapper!"
0:11:13 > 0:11:15But Dapper's laddishness was branded sexist
0:11:15 > 0:11:18and even misogynistic from the start.
0:11:19 > 0:11:22And when it was alleged he made a joke about rape at a gig,
0:11:22 > 0:11:28Daniel found himself on Newsnight, defending his entire act.
0:11:28 > 0:11:29"Just show her your penis.
0:11:29 > 0:11:31"If she cries, she is playing hard to get."
0:11:31 > 0:11:34What you're saying is that women who say no don't mean no.
0:11:34 > 0:11:37No disrespect to you, do you think, looking at me now,
0:11:37 > 0:11:39that I actually would go out and do that?
0:11:39 > 0:11:43Although Daniel apologised, his TV show was cancelled.
0:11:43 > 0:11:46But his character Dapper Laughs lives on.
0:11:46 > 0:11:48The only reason I wear a condom, right,
0:11:48 > 0:11:49is to stop the girl getting pregnant.
0:11:49 > 0:11:51But I've got a couple of other tips for you.
0:11:51 > 0:11:54Get yourself one of them morning-after pills, yeah?
0:11:54 > 0:11:57Crush it up, put it in her drink.
0:11:58 > 0:12:01I'm joking! Respect women. Respect women.
0:12:01 > 0:12:04From the sounds of it, Daniel hasn't made any changes.
0:12:04 > 0:12:07And he is pretty unrepentant, despite all the flak.
0:12:07 > 0:12:09Uh, who saw me on Newsnight? Who saw that?
0:12:09 > 0:12:11AUDIENCE SHOUTS OUT
0:12:11 > 0:12:13That interview was hard for me
0:12:13 > 0:12:16cos it is the only time I've actually really played a character.
0:12:17 > 0:12:20On the outside, I'm going, "No, of course that is not acceptable to
0:12:20 > 0:12:22"go up to women and say, 'Get your gash out.'"
0:12:22 > 0:12:25- On the inside, I'm going... - HE LAUGHS
0:12:27 > 0:12:29.."Can you get your fucking gash out?"
0:12:30 > 0:12:33Hey-hey! Enjoy the rest of your night.
0:12:33 > 0:12:35Thank you very much for coming. Bye-bye!
0:12:40 > 0:12:42- Get some fucking beer. - How do think that went?
0:12:44 > 0:12:45- The show was great.- Yeah?- Yeah.
0:12:45 > 0:12:47And it seems as though your crowd is very much
0:12:47 > 0:12:51- sort of predominantly young men, 25 and under.- Yeah, but I mean...
0:12:51 > 0:12:54- Why do you think that is the crowd? - You saw a lot of women there though.
0:12:54 > 0:12:56Yeah, exactly. I mean, don't get me wrong.
0:12:56 > 0:12:59I'll get to the girls, but the mainstay of your crowd is young men.
0:12:59 > 0:13:02- Why do you think that is? - I think just cos I started...
0:13:02 > 0:13:03When I started off doing the comedy,
0:13:03 > 0:13:07I was really trying to take the piss out of men's attitudes.
0:13:07 > 0:13:10"Ey, fuckin' she knows," like.
0:13:10 > 0:13:12And a lot of people don't want to go
0:13:12 > 0:13:15and laugh at political satire or current affairs.
0:13:15 > 0:13:19Sometimes they just want to laugh at something that is easy to laugh at.
0:13:19 > 0:13:20Why do you think women come to your shows?
0:13:20 > 0:13:25Unless you've got... a cause to fight.
0:13:25 > 0:13:29Like, you're a feminist or you are against sexism or...
0:13:29 > 0:13:30Unless you've got a cause to fight,
0:13:30 > 0:13:35a lot of the young girls can see I'm taking the piss out of men.
0:13:35 > 0:13:38Do you think that it's the reason that what happened to you happened
0:13:38 > 0:13:41was because you made a joke about something as serious as rape?
0:13:41 > 0:13:45Or do think it happened because of your particular brand of humour?
0:13:45 > 0:13:47I think it happened because I blew out...I blew up
0:13:47 > 0:13:50outside of the conventional way of becoming...
0:13:50 > 0:13:51It wasn't that one incident,
0:13:51 > 0:13:53it was just the speed that you got to where you were?
0:13:53 > 0:13:55I was getting shit from the outside.
0:13:55 > 0:13:59I was getting stuff from them, same journalists, same people,
0:13:59 > 0:14:00months before that.
0:14:00 > 0:14:02They were just looking for something.
0:14:02 > 0:14:05My family, personally, has been affected by sexual violence.
0:14:05 > 0:14:07It's not a joke, do you know what I mean?
0:14:07 > 0:14:10And the only reason why I quit at the time is
0:14:10 > 0:14:12because what the media were putting on the family.
0:14:12 > 0:14:14It was horrible.
0:14:14 > 0:14:17I always judge how well I'm doing in life by what my mum says.
0:14:17 > 0:14:20And my mum has not been offended by anything that I've fucking
0:14:20 > 0:14:21put out there.
0:14:21 > 0:14:24She knows I'm taking the piss out of men.
0:14:24 > 0:14:26But, listen, do you know what they're doing in the media now?
0:14:26 > 0:14:29They won't go, "Oh, I didn't find it funny.
0:14:29 > 0:14:31"But I respect his audience
0:14:31 > 0:14:33"and that he is allowed to do that brand of comedy."
0:14:33 > 0:14:35They will say, "It's shit."
0:14:35 > 0:14:37I think the UK, especially the media, needs to decide
0:14:37 > 0:14:41whether or not they want freedom of speech or they want to stop
0:14:41 > 0:14:45people being offended by comedy. I think comedy is the last...
0:14:45 > 0:14:47the last avenue we've got.
0:14:47 > 0:14:49It's comedy that, like, do you know... What's next?
0:14:49 > 0:14:52You're going to stop... You're going to ban people watching horror movies?
0:14:52 > 0:14:54Cos someone is going to go out and kill someone.
0:14:54 > 0:14:57If I say something on stage and someone goes out and does it,
0:14:57 > 0:15:00they're screwed in the head. That's got nothing to do with me.
0:15:00 > 0:15:03Do you ever worry about the way that it could be taken
0:15:03 > 0:15:04out of context or the way it could offend?
0:15:04 > 0:15:08Yeah. Pff, it depends on who was in the audience.
0:15:08 > 0:15:10I ain't going to be taken out of context from my fans
0:15:10 > 0:15:12- because my fans will watch and go... - HE LAUGHS
0:15:12 > 0:15:15"I heard the same stuff on the building site yesterday."
0:15:15 > 0:15:16Do you know what I mean?
0:15:19 > 0:15:20That all got, uh, a bit emotional.
0:15:20 > 0:15:23And I can understand why.
0:15:23 > 0:15:27You know, this is a man who feels as though he lost his moment,
0:15:27 > 0:15:28his opportunity.
0:15:28 > 0:15:31But unfortunately, whether he wants to admit it to himself
0:15:31 > 0:15:33at the moment or not,
0:15:33 > 0:15:38he is normalising a certain level of humour
0:15:38 > 0:15:40that a lot of people find offensive
0:15:40 > 0:15:43and a lot of people have a real problem with.
0:15:46 > 0:15:49Real equality feminists today have a real problem with
0:15:49 > 0:15:51the mainstream feminist,
0:15:51 > 0:15:57because the mainstream feminists are radical Marxist feminists.
0:15:57 > 0:15:58Feminism...
0:16:01 > 0:16:04Speakers' Corner in London has always been a place for people
0:16:04 > 0:16:07to meet and share controversial views.
0:16:07 > 0:16:09And today is no exception.
0:16:09 > 0:16:10Men rape, men rape.
0:16:10 > 0:16:15That's all we hear about - that men are rapists and child abusers.
0:16:15 > 0:16:18This is what feminism has been talking about.
0:16:18 > 0:16:20So then face the penis!
0:16:20 > 0:16:22She yelled. You notice what she did then?
0:16:22 > 0:16:26What she did is she simplifies things down to saying that
0:16:26 > 0:16:28I'm a woman-hater.
0:16:28 > 0:16:30Rod is a men's rights activist
0:16:30 > 0:16:32and is determined no-one is going to shut him up.
0:16:32 > 0:16:35Men don't need your help!
0:16:35 > 0:16:36They do need our help.
0:16:36 > 0:16:40- WOMAN SHOUTS IN BACKGROUND - They need our help very much. Our problem...
0:16:40 > 0:16:42Well done. That got a bit intense, didn't it?
0:16:42 > 0:16:44It does, but you get heckled to pieces.
0:16:44 > 0:16:47Do you think coming here to Speakers' Corner week on week
0:16:47 > 0:16:49- is going to actually change anything? - Yes.
0:16:49 > 0:16:51Because what happens, we often see a young man
0:16:51 > 0:16:54standing in the background, doesn't say anything, stays for hours.
0:16:56 > 0:17:00Hello, everybody. My name is Josh. I'm 18, I'm from Essex.
0:17:00 > 0:17:02In my spare time, I do a YouTube channel
0:17:02 > 0:17:05and a blog about gender politics and men's issues.
0:17:05 > 0:17:08'There is another crowd gathered around a second speaker.
0:17:08 > 0:17:10'But there is something different here.'
0:17:10 > 0:17:14What is the obstacle to getting men's issues addressed in society?
0:17:14 > 0:17:16'He is just a teenager.'
0:17:16 > 0:17:18People don't know what men's issues are.
0:17:18 > 0:17:21Domestic violence against men is not treated seriously.
0:17:21 > 0:17:25When numerous places have done tests where
0:17:25 > 0:17:27they got women to hit men in public, people have laughed
0:17:27 > 0:17:30and taken videos and said, "Oh, he probably deserves it."
0:17:30 > 0:17:32And the opposite never happens.
0:17:32 > 0:17:33Thanks for listening.
0:17:36 > 0:17:39Just out of interest, what put this on your radar?
0:17:39 > 0:17:43Why would you say the issues that men are dealing with
0:17:43 > 0:17:45is such a problem for you?
0:17:45 > 0:17:47Men's issues, I feel like, there are far...
0:17:47 > 0:17:50Particularly young voices, there are far too few.
0:17:50 > 0:17:53I mean, we've got the Minister for Women and Equalities here in the UK.
0:17:53 > 0:17:55We've got the European Parliament Committee on Women's Rights
0:17:55 > 0:17:57and we've got UN Women.
0:17:57 > 0:17:59We have no comparative organisations for men.
0:17:59 > 0:18:02So, I'm pretty confident that women's issues are being dealt with.
0:18:02 > 0:18:04Men's issues, not so much.
0:18:06 > 0:18:08I hadn't expected young guys like this to be
0:18:08 > 0:18:12so angry about what they see as discrimination against men.
0:18:13 > 0:18:16Meanwhile, Roosh's world tour has rumbled onto Canada.
0:18:16 > 0:18:19But he has run into some local opposition.
0:18:19 > 0:18:23The Toronto media, Toronto Star, city news, every channel...
0:18:23 > 0:18:25I'm the leading newscast. Me.
0:18:25 > 0:18:29A random writer from the US who wants to meet with 40 guys
0:18:29 > 0:18:32just to have fun with them and talk to them.
0:18:32 > 0:18:34'But it's not just Roosh.
0:18:34 > 0:18:35'With a few clicks,
0:18:35 > 0:18:38'I'm starting to realise these kinds of views are easy to find.'
0:18:38 > 0:18:41Now, this idea of what Roosh is about and what
0:18:41 > 0:18:44he stands for seems to be a small part of a much bigger
0:18:44 > 0:18:48conversation, because on Roosh's website, there is mention of this
0:18:48 > 0:18:50thing I've never heard of before,
0:18:50 > 0:18:53and it is called the Manosphere.
0:18:53 > 0:18:55No, it's a real thing.
0:18:55 > 0:18:58"The Manosphere is a name given to an informal network of blogs,
0:18:58 > 0:19:01"websites and internet commentators that focuses on issues relating
0:19:01 > 0:19:06"to men and masculinity, often in opposition to feminism."
0:19:08 > 0:19:11There are sites for men interested in pick-up tips,
0:19:11 > 0:19:13men's rights activism
0:19:13 > 0:19:15and other groups I've never heard of.
0:19:16 > 0:19:20Across the board, sex, bodybuilding and issues like divorce
0:19:20 > 0:19:23and unemployment come up again and again.
0:19:23 > 0:19:25But the hottest topic of all?
0:19:25 > 0:19:27Feminism.
0:19:27 > 0:19:30I've never really been in an environment where anyone at any
0:19:30 > 0:19:33point has ever said that they have an issue with feminism.
0:19:33 > 0:19:35And I kind of thought that was something
0:19:35 > 0:19:37everyone in the modern world thought,
0:19:37 > 0:19:40but, oh, how wrong am I!
0:19:40 > 0:19:43Growing up with four sisters, you want to see them blossom
0:19:43 > 0:19:48and you don't see anything that could help that as being negative.
0:19:48 > 0:19:51But being at Roosh's seminar,
0:19:51 > 0:19:55the word feminism seemed to come up over and over again.
0:19:55 > 0:19:59And it was never presented in a positive light.
0:20:03 > 0:20:06Almost everyone here is choosing to hide their identity,
0:20:06 > 0:20:08just like at Roosh's talk.
0:20:08 > 0:20:13But there is one name that comes up all the time and he is a real person.
0:20:13 > 0:20:16"All hail High Lord Yiannopoulos. May he watch over you.
0:20:16 > 0:20:18"LOL, that guy is awesome."
0:20:18 > 0:20:21British journalist Milo Yiannopoulos has written for The Telegraph,
0:20:21 > 0:20:24news sites, and has his face all over YouTube.
0:20:24 > 0:20:29He seems to have done an incredible job of continuously arguing
0:20:29 > 0:20:33with journalists and politicians and feminists,
0:20:33 > 0:20:35and people love him.
0:20:35 > 0:20:37"Does feminism make women ugly?"
0:20:37 > 0:20:39This is a piece that Milo has actually written.
0:20:39 > 0:20:43He feels like someone that I need to have a chat with.
0:20:45 > 0:20:46And it turns out,
0:20:46 > 0:20:49with a growing profile as a self-proclaimed antifeminist,
0:20:49 > 0:20:52Milo is only too happy to meet with me.
0:20:52 > 0:20:57- Nice to meet you.- Good to meet you too. How are you?- Yeah, good. Thanks.
0:20:57 > 0:21:01Listen, you are the perfect person for me to speak to at this point.
0:21:01 > 0:21:04- I met Roosh V very recently. - OK, cool.
0:21:04 > 0:21:07And I have sort of been made hip to this whole idea of the Manosphere.
0:21:07 > 0:21:09Can you sort of explain to me what the Manosphere is
0:21:09 > 0:21:11- and what it is broken up into?- Yeah.
0:21:11 > 0:21:14I mean, it is a very eccentric sort of group of men who feel
0:21:14 > 0:21:16dissatisfied with the way that society is going,
0:21:16 > 0:21:20the way that relationships between men and women are organised.
0:21:20 > 0:21:23And I think a lot of men are feeling as though their traditional role
0:21:23 > 0:21:26as provider has been, you know, diluted to such a point
0:21:26 > 0:21:29they're not really sure what they're supposed to be there for any more.
0:21:29 > 0:21:32And what a lot of the pick-up artists, people like Roosh,
0:21:32 > 0:21:35do for these guys is give them a renewed sense of purpose.
0:21:35 > 0:21:39A lot of these young boys are very worried that they will be
0:21:39 > 0:21:40alone forever.
0:21:40 > 0:21:43A lot of them are worried they won't ever get good jobs
0:21:43 > 0:21:45and they will never get a decent pension.
0:21:45 > 0:21:47And they sort of just don't know where they fit.
0:21:47 > 0:21:50It kind of feels like it is two sides going against each other.
0:21:50 > 0:21:53You've got the Manosphere and all of the permutations of that
0:21:53 > 0:21:56and then you have got feminism.
0:21:56 > 0:21:58- Yes.- What is your take on that?
0:21:58 > 0:22:01What's happened to feminism in the last sort of 20 years is
0:22:01 > 0:22:05it's become very tied up with very far-left activist politics.
0:22:05 > 0:22:07And this particular brand of feminism,
0:22:07 > 0:22:09which says that women shouldn't just be equal to men,
0:22:09 > 0:22:11they should be the same as men -
0:22:11 > 0:22:13if they want sort of grow their hair and get fat,
0:22:13 > 0:22:16then they should be allowed to - ignores basic biological realities.
0:22:16 > 0:22:18It also ignores some of the things that are different
0:22:18 > 0:22:20about men and women and different ways
0:22:20 > 0:22:22that men and women look for happiness.
0:22:22 > 0:22:27I think that the state of gender relations, the understanding and
0:22:27 > 0:22:29happiness between the two sexes,
0:22:29 > 0:22:32is at its worst, probably, for 100 years.
0:22:32 > 0:22:35And I think that you could reasonably say that feminism
0:22:35 > 0:22:37has a large part to play in that.
0:22:38 > 0:22:41'Now, I find these views surprising. And I'm not a feminist.
0:22:41 > 0:22:45'But you don't have to be one to be challenged by Milo's point of view.'
0:22:45 > 0:22:48- I've had messages about you prior to us meeting.- Oh, really?
0:22:48 > 0:22:50- Yeah, of course. - And what were they saying?
0:22:50 > 0:22:51"This guy is going to stitch us up. I can tell.
0:22:51 > 0:22:53"I can tell he will stitch us up."
0:22:53 > 0:22:54And I can't blame them for this
0:22:54 > 0:22:56cos it has happened to them so many times before.
0:22:56 > 0:22:59Over and over again, they are just outright lied about.
0:22:59 > 0:23:00Right.
0:23:03 > 0:23:06He has made it really clear that people are worried about me.
0:23:06 > 0:23:09LAUGHING: I don't know why they're worried about me. What have I done?
0:23:09 > 0:23:14It's mental that, you know, I'm so early on in this journey
0:23:14 > 0:23:18and already people are paranoid that I'm out to get them.
0:23:18 > 0:23:22There seems to be this weird sense of paranoia in this world.
0:23:28 > 0:23:31It's frustrating to be judged before I've even begun.
0:23:32 > 0:23:35I want to see if I can persuade anyone from these secretive
0:23:35 > 0:23:37online groups to meet me face-to-face.
0:23:39 > 0:23:41The top of my list - these guys.
0:23:41 > 0:23:44MGTOW. Which stands for Men Going Their Own Way.
0:23:44 > 0:23:47It's a website only for men.
0:23:47 > 0:23:48And they have got the best logo ever.
0:23:48 > 0:23:52Their logo is essentially a man kneeling to a woman holding up
0:23:52 > 0:23:53his credit card. It's phenomenal.
0:23:55 > 0:23:56Let's dig a bit deeper, shall we?
0:23:57 > 0:24:02One of the most popular posts on here is "Marriage, mortgage, kids...
0:24:02 > 0:24:03"Fuck that shit."
0:24:06 > 0:24:10This MGTOW site looks slick and they have clearly spent money on it.
0:24:11 > 0:24:15So you might think someone involved would be happy to explain why.
0:24:16 > 0:24:17Apparently not.
0:24:17 > 0:24:21'There has been an awakening. Have you felt it?'
0:24:21 > 0:24:24We've actually managed to get in touch with the MGTOW people
0:24:24 > 0:24:26and they were actually happy to meet me.
0:24:26 > 0:24:29They wanted to chat and they wanted to allow me in
0:24:29 > 0:24:32to find out a little bit more about them and their beliefs.
0:24:32 > 0:24:35But they've had a massive U-turn.
0:24:35 > 0:24:41And off the back of that U-turn, they have started discussing me
0:24:41 > 0:24:45and what it is I'm trying to achieve, online.
0:24:45 > 0:24:49Now when I say discussing, what I mean is putting up video blogs
0:24:49 > 0:24:52on YouTube and it is not just the one video.
0:24:53 > 0:24:54There are shitloads.
0:24:57 > 0:25:00'Hello? Hello?'
0:25:00 > 0:25:02'Hello, gentlemen. This is CS MGTOW.
0:25:02 > 0:25:06'I wanted to post a quick update about the BBC attempting to
0:25:06 > 0:25:07'throw MGTOW under the bus.
0:25:07 > 0:25:10'And, personally, I will never work with the media.
0:25:10 > 0:25:12'And I certainly have no trust for the BBC.'
0:25:12 > 0:25:15'I believe that there is no chance that the mainstream media
0:25:15 > 0:25:17'will ever be supportive of our message.'
0:25:17 > 0:25:18Hang on, we haven't done anything yet!
0:25:18 > 0:25:20HE LAUGHS
0:25:20 > 0:25:24'Yeah, man, for the love of God, please don't show your faces.
0:25:24 > 0:25:26'Seriously. Seriously.'
0:25:26 > 0:25:28"For the love of God!"
0:25:28 > 0:25:30'You will be fucked for life, especially
0:25:30 > 0:25:32- 'if you want to take a job...' - "Fucked for life."
0:25:32 > 0:25:33'..or do anything with your lives.'
0:25:33 > 0:25:36- 'I agree.- Yeah.'- What?
0:25:36 > 0:25:41We haven't met anyone yet and put them on camera from MGTOW. Um...
0:25:41 > 0:25:45How are we... Why do we have an agenda against the movement?
0:25:45 > 0:25:48That makes absolutely no sense.
0:25:48 > 0:25:52'Some of these anti-BBC videos have had thousands of views already.
0:25:52 > 0:25:56'So, maybe YouTube is the best way to try and set up a talk.'
0:25:56 > 0:25:58This could be the worst idea ever,
0:25:58 > 0:26:01but I think it is worth having a crack at.
0:26:03 > 0:26:05Hello there, MGTOW. My name is Reggie Yates.
0:26:05 > 0:26:07Some of you know that, most of you probably don't.
0:26:07 > 0:26:09I'm in your world now.
0:26:09 > 0:26:11All that I want to do is make a programme that features you
0:26:11 > 0:26:15and your beliefs, where they come from and who exactly you are.
0:26:15 > 0:26:18So, get in touch. Thank you.
0:26:18 > 0:26:22I do think there is a small chance that we may have a conversation,
0:26:22 > 0:26:24but I think it will be on their terms.
0:26:24 > 0:26:26And if that means it's a Google chat,
0:26:26 > 0:26:30if that means it is via the comments section, so be it.
0:26:30 > 0:26:31It's 2015, dammit.
0:26:35 > 0:26:39MGTOW may be reluctant to talk, but I am still intrigued by that
0:26:39 > 0:26:41young guy standing on a soap box in Hyde Park.
0:26:41 > 0:26:43Welcome to feminist idiocy.
0:26:43 > 0:26:45In contrast to feminist hypocrisy, this series is simply me
0:26:45 > 0:26:49explaining issues that feminists talk about that are ridiculous.
0:26:49 > 0:26:54Josh told the crowd to check out his videos on YouTube. So I have.
0:26:54 > 0:26:57And the content is far more extreme than anything he said in the park.
0:26:57 > 0:27:00So, the best way to discuss rape and the chances of it happening
0:27:00 > 0:27:03is to take the emotional element out of the question.
0:27:03 > 0:27:06Cos that is why feminists are shitty at discussing rape.
0:27:06 > 0:27:07That was it.
0:27:07 > 0:27:13What on earth is it that is inspiring someone so young to say so much,
0:27:13 > 0:27:15and why does he feels as strongly as he does at such a young age?
0:27:15 > 0:27:17At 18, I wasn't thinking like this.
0:27:17 > 0:27:19'We are now approaching Colchester.'
0:27:21 > 0:27:23Josh has agreed to meet me at his home.
0:27:23 > 0:27:26I want to find out what is behind his views.
0:27:27 > 0:27:30- There he is.- Hi.- Hello, how are you doing, Josh?- I'm good, and you?
0:27:30 > 0:27:33- I'm good also. Thank you for having me in your home.- Oh, it's OK.
0:27:33 > 0:27:35Why have you got an Anfield Road sign up?
0:27:35 > 0:27:38- Am I in Liverpool football club? - Dad is a big Liverpool fan.
0:27:38 > 0:27:39Oh, get me out of here!
0:27:41 > 0:27:44- So, you live with your parents? - Yeah, Mum and Dad.
0:27:44 > 0:27:47- All right.- This is the room. - Here we go. Right, OK.
0:27:47 > 0:27:49- What are you working on over here then?- This is the script...
0:27:49 > 0:27:51You've got a massive sort of document.
0:27:51 > 0:27:54- Oh, you write scripts for your videos?- Yeah, I do script them.
0:27:54 > 0:27:56I used to not but then I just ramble and go off on a tangent
0:27:56 > 0:27:58and have to edit loads of stuff out.
0:27:58 > 0:28:01That is a script for part one of my drunk sex series.
0:28:01 > 0:28:03Josh is recording today.
0:28:03 > 0:28:07The latest in a series on how men can be unfairly accused of rape.
0:28:07 > 0:28:08OK, I need to see the studio.
0:28:08 > 0:28:11Studio is probably a generous term. It's just our spare room.
0:28:11 > 0:28:14The people who owned this house before us had a very young daughter,
0:28:14 > 0:28:17- so it is decorated for like a two-year-old girl.- Oh, right. OK.
0:28:17 > 0:28:19- So...- LAUGHS: You weren't joking! - No, it's...
0:28:19 > 0:28:21You really aren't joking.
0:28:21 > 0:28:22That... Mum bought that as a joke
0:28:22 > 0:28:24cos it went with the room in a sort of funny way.
0:28:24 > 0:28:27- That is not a serious thing.- OK. So, this is where you shoot your videos?
0:28:27 > 0:28:31- This is it?- Basically, yeah. It's a tiny little set.- This is the chair?
0:28:31 > 0:28:32- That is the chair. - Can I sit in the chair?
0:28:32 > 0:28:34- You're welcome to sit in it. - Look at this.
0:28:34 > 0:28:37Do you not think that it's crazy that, you know, you are literally
0:28:37 > 0:28:40sat here in your spare room with a camcorder and a bit of a script and
0:28:40 > 0:28:43suddenly people all over the world have access to your points of view?
0:28:43 > 0:28:44It's insane. Insane.
0:28:44 > 0:28:47I've got, you know, just over 2,000 subscribers watching these
0:28:47 > 0:28:49videos and liking what they see.
0:28:49 > 0:28:51I want to see you do what you do.
0:28:51 > 0:28:54- OK, yeah, I can do that.- Let's do it then. Can I help in any way?
0:28:54 > 0:28:56Erm... At the moment, the camera only works when it is plugged in,
0:28:56 > 0:28:59so I'm going to have to do that.
0:28:59 > 0:29:00If it loads. Come on.
0:29:02 > 0:29:04So, what is the theme of the video then?
0:29:04 > 0:29:05Measurements of drunk sex.
0:29:05 > 0:29:07So, what is drunk?
0:29:07 > 0:29:10Just out of interest, why is this issue on your radar right now?
0:29:10 > 0:29:14I read an article in I think Huffington Post
0:29:14 > 0:29:17about California's new "yes means yes" law.
0:29:17 > 0:29:21So, the basis of your thinkpiece, if you want to call it that,
0:29:21 > 0:29:23has come from what exactly?
0:29:23 > 0:29:26Erm... Mostly from just sort of thinking about it, really.
0:29:26 > 0:29:28It's just something...
0:29:28 > 0:29:30A lot of the things I talk about are things you can understand
0:29:30 > 0:29:32- if you just think about them in more detail.- Mm.
0:29:34 > 0:29:38Hello, everybody. Welcome to drunk sex, a treatise in three parts.
0:29:38 > 0:29:39So, uh, r...
0:29:39 > 0:29:41Let's try that one again.
0:29:41 > 0:29:44Hello, everybody. Welcome to drunk sex, a treatise in three parts.
0:29:44 > 0:29:45This is part one - measurements.
0:29:45 > 0:29:49So, drunk sex, a lot of feminists are now saying, is rape.
0:29:49 > 0:29:52Think about the perils just of going on holiday.
0:29:52 > 0:29:55I could find a girl here in the UK, we could have sex,
0:29:55 > 0:29:59it's fine, she is not too drunk, she is still legally able to drive.
0:29:59 > 0:30:02We go to a US state with a stricter rule and suddenly I'm a rapist.
0:30:05 > 0:30:07OK, right... It also has to be something
0:30:07 > 0:30:08that people can be expected...
0:30:08 > 0:30:13'At 18, Josh is not afraid to speak out. I'm just not sure why.'
0:30:13 > 0:30:15This will overwhelmingly be a burden on men.
0:30:15 > 0:30:17Thank you very much for watching, I've been Josh.
0:30:20 > 0:30:22Boom. And just like that, it's done.
0:30:22 > 0:30:24Yeah, just as my SD card ran out of memory. Perfect.
0:30:24 > 0:30:26- I had to cut a little bit out for that.- Wow.
0:30:26 > 0:30:29What is really fascinating about you, Josh, is your age.
0:30:29 > 0:30:31You know, you are so young.
0:30:31 > 0:30:34Over the years, I've met activists all over the world
0:30:34 > 0:30:37fighting for different causes and the thing that is consistent
0:30:37 > 0:30:40in all of those people that I've met is that there is a reason.
0:30:40 > 0:30:41What is your reason?
0:30:41 > 0:30:43I don't really have a satisfying answer to that question.
0:30:43 > 0:30:44People ask me all the time.
0:30:44 > 0:30:47It's not like I had some big life-changing experience
0:30:47 > 0:30:48like a lot of people do.
0:30:48 > 0:30:51You know, a lot of the people I speak to in the men's movement,
0:30:51 > 0:30:55they went to a troubling divorce or they were abused by a partner
0:30:55 > 0:30:57or they were raped.
0:30:57 > 0:30:59It was never like that for me.
0:30:59 > 0:31:03As a living, I'd like to be, you know, a men's issues speaker.
0:31:03 > 0:31:06Or I'd like to join a think tank that talks about these issues.
0:31:06 > 0:31:07Something like that.
0:31:07 > 0:31:09This is something I want to do for the rest of my life.
0:31:12 > 0:31:16- Is this...- Mum's.- ..Mum's or yours? - That's Mum's.
0:31:16 > 0:31:18Mine is in the sink, actually.
0:31:20 > 0:31:23Let's grab a seat out here. Look at this. Perfect.
0:31:23 > 0:31:26How do women react to your views? Particularly your mum.
0:31:26 > 0:31:29I mean, you live at home. How does she react to some of the things
0:31:29 > 0:31:30that you say in your videos?
0:31:30 > 0:31:33Nothing I say in my videos is anti-woman,
0:31:33 > 0:31:35but some women do treat it as if it's an attack on women.
0:31:35 > 0:31:38I wouldn't talk about women's issues and feminism at all
0:31:38 > 0:31:41if I didn't think I needed to for men's issues.
0:31:41 > 0:31:44So, if it wasn't the case that our domestic violence laws
0:31:44 > 0:31:47were heavily influenced by feminist academia, I wouldn't speak about it.
0:31:47 > 0:31:50What gets picked on? What is it that they jump on?
0:31:50 > 0:31:52I talk about false rape claims.
0:31:52 > 0:31:55I say false rape accusations are really harmful to someone's life.
0:31:55 > 0:31:57People have been killed by mobs without a court case
0:31:57 > 0:31:58ever taking place.
0:31:58 > 0:32:00And I try and talk about that and they accuse me
0:32:00 > 0:32:03of derailing the conversation because false rape accusations
0:32:03 > 0:32:06are only 2%, even though we can't get an accurate study on that.
0:32:06 > 0:32:09It's more you are not focusing on the right issues than
0:32:09 > 0:32:12you are actively promoting something that is anti-women.
0:32:12 > 0:32:15False rape claims are disgusting and that is one of my worst nightmares,
0:32:15 > 0:32:18to be accused for a crime, serve time for something I definitely didn't do.
0:32:18 > 0:32:20But...
0:32:20 > 0:32:23The fact that rape exists and the fact that it is such an issue
0:32:23 > 0:32:26and the fact that it is happening, it is happening on every street
0:32:26 > 0:32:28and people aren't talking about it. It is a real issue.
0:32:28 > 0:32:29Yes, but I don't...
0:32:29 > 0:32:32It's not like I'm hearing someone talk about how bad rape is
0:32:32 > 0:32:34and I'm like, "Oh, also false rape accusations."
0:32:34 > 0:32:37- No, it is a complete separate thing. - I'm trying to get to the bottom of...
0:32:37 > 0:32:42why so little of your time is dedicated to being 18.
0:32:42 > 0:32:44- Cos you're only 18 once. - I do spend my time being 18. I do.
0:32:44 > 0:32:47This doesn't take up, like, half of my time.
0:32:47 > 0:32:49But, I think I have an advantage over the men
0:32:49 > 0:32:51who have had their lives derailed
0:32:51 > 0:32:54purely because I'm not coming at it from an emotional angle,
0:32:54 > 0:32:57which means... Cos if you are emotional about something,
0:32:57 > 0:33:00it can lead to you being aggressive.
0:33:00 > 0:33:02Josh is a really impressive speaker.
0:33:02 > 0:33:05But I can't help worrying that he's building opinions about how
0:33:05 > 0:33:10women behave based on other men's bad experiences that he has found online.
0:33:10 > 0:33:13Before he has even had a chance to live his own life.
0:33:13 > 0:33:16And there is nothing wrong with fighting for men's rights.
0:33:16 > 0:33:20There is nothing wrong with believing that there should be equality.
0:33:20 > 0:33:24But when your own personal experience with women has been hard,
0:33:24 > 0:33:27has been unfavourable, and that then affects the way that you
0:33:27 > 0:33:31view the world, to then present that as the gospel is where things
0:33:31 > 0:33:34get dangerous, especially when you are looking at how many young men
0:33:34 > 0:33:36this is beginning to affect.
0:33:41 > 0:33:43But at least Josh is prepared to stand up,
0:33:43 > 0:33:46be counted and meet me face-to-face.
0:33:46 > 0:33:49The men of MGTOW, not so much.
0:33:49 > 0:33:52But my video, well, let's just say that it has had a reaction.
0:33:52 > 0:33:56"Fuck off." "Fuck off, you BBC poodle."
0:33:56 > 0:33:59What is a BBC poodle? I don't even know what that is.
0:33:59 > 0:34:02Now, we did hear back from the head honchos of MGTOW.
0:34:02 > 0:34:05They gave me one possible time to chat.
0:34:05 > 0:34:09But when I couldn't make that time work, the shutters came down.
0:34:09 > 0:34:11Back in the digital world, though,
0:34:11 > 0:34:13plenty of other people have had their say.
0:34:13 > 0:34:17There are tonnes of voices on here. Someone called Tater Bater
0:34:17 > 0:34:19has said, "I know the main voices in the community don't
0:34:19 > 0:34:21"trust your intentions, Reggie,
0:34:21 > 0:34:23"but I would really have liked to have seen MGTOW
0:34:23 > 0:34:25"put its best foot forward.
0:34:25 > 0:34:28"For what it is worth, you're tackling something really out there."
0:34:28 > 0:34:29Spider says,
0:34:29 > 0:34:33"Fellow MGTOW, I don't understand the reactions to this issue.
0:34:33 > 0:34:35"I am MGTOW because I believe in male self-determination.
0:34:35 > 0:34:38"I support MGTOW and do not fear anyone knowing it."
0:34:38 > 0:34:43So, you have got someone here who is confident in his reasoning,
0:34:43 > 0:34:46his belief, and also confident in the MGTOW movement.
0:34:46 > 0:34:49And then you get the other end of the spectrum.
0:34:52 > 0:34:58"Only a fool would trust this dude. Fuck off. Fuck off, all of you."
0:34:58 > 0:35:01"No wonder this guy works for the BBC, he has one."
0:35:01 > 0:35:05Oh, he's making a cock joke. "BBC stands for big black cock."
0:35:06 > 0:35:10"Now I get why Queen Victoria got rid of slavery before America did."
0:35:11 > 0:35:14"Isn't Queen Victoria the original Queen of Spades?" Jesus.
0:35:16 > 0:35:19The comments have gone from the ridiculous at times,
0:35:19 > 0:35:23right the way through to, for some reason, the racist.
0:35:23 > 0:35:26There is one guy here called Paul Merritt who is asking,
0:35:26 > 0:35:28"Why so much negative backlash?"
0:35:28 > 0:35:33And someone else has said that there is a lot of burnt people commenting.
0:35:33 > 0:35:36The thing that really stands out to me
0:35:36 > 0:35:39isn't that there is a lot of burnt people commenting,
0:35:39 > 0:35:42it's that there is a lot of people aggressively coming at me.
0:35:42 > 0:35:47This aggressive reaction from some of these men, I'm just confused by.
0:35:49 > 0:35:53If this is what I'm receiving after literally sticking my tiny
0:35:53 > 0:35:57brown pinkie toe into the pool that is the Manosphere,
0:35:57 > 0:35:59what is it like for a feminist?
0:35:59 > 0:36:03What is it like for someone who says, "I disagree with you guys."
0:36:04 > 0:36:05I don't know.
0:36:06 > 0:36:08Nice(!)
0:36:11 > 0:36:13Journalist Laurie Penny has written about both
0:36:13 > 0:36:17men's rights activism and sexism on the net.
0:36:18 > 0:36:22She has agreed to talk about the kind of response she gets when she does.
0:36:22 > 0:36:26So, exactly what sort of interaction have you had with these guys online?
0:36:26 > 0:36:31Well, in terms of threats, I've had everything ranging from...
0:36:32 > 0:36:36..individual attacks, people sending me pictures of, like,
0:36:36 > 0:36:39gross pornography with my head pasted on.
0:36:39 > 0:36:40Getting fisted by Hitler.
0:36:40 > 0:36:43I had a bomb threat sent to my house.
0:36:43 > 0:36:45Well, people saying they knew where my house was.
0:36:45 > 0:36:47I had to leave, so did my landlord.
0:36:47 > 0:36:50People really want to intimidate me
0:36:50 > 0:36:52and anybody who writes about feminism online.
0:36:52 > 0:36:55Could you show me some of the messages you've actually received?
0:36:55 > 0:36:58Yeah, well, I'm not totally happy with them showing on camera,
0:36:58 > 0:36:59but you can have a look at them.
0:36:59 > 0:37:02Yeah, I mean, people just send that sort of nonsense to me.
0:37:02 > 0:37:04That is one of the milder ones.
0:37:05 > 0:37:08- Oh, my God. So... - Yeah, that was last week.- That's...
0:37:08 > 0:37:13- They actually found a picture of you and pasted it onto...- Yeah, that.
0:37:13 > 0:37:14..onto that image.
0:37:14 > 0:37:18- Yeah.- Why are you specifically being targeted?
0:37:18 > 0:37:20Well, it is not me specifically.
0:37:20 > 0:37:24It is every woman who writes about feminism on the internet
0:37:24 > 0:37:27to some extent. I'm absolutely not the only one.
0:37:27 > 0:37:31The intention is to silence people and shut them down.
0:37:31 > 0:37:36I think it is very ironic that these men's rights activists claim
0:37:36 > 0:37:40that they feel silenced when they are organising to silence women.
0:37:40 > 0:37:42What is it that it is motivating these men to do this?
0:37:42 > 0:37:45I mean, what is the problem that they have that is manifesting
0:37:45 > 0:37:47itself in sending these images, do you think?
0:37:47 > 0:37:51Erm... There is a lot of genuine frustration behind
0:37:51 > 0:37:54the men's rights activist movement.
0:37:54 > 0:37:57I understand the emotions that are behind that
0:37:57 > 0:38:01sense of powerlessness and feeling of loss of power.
0:38:01 > 0:38:04The trouble is that whilst feelings are valid, it is
0:38:04 > 0:38:08what you do with those feelings that makes the decision about
0:38:08 > 0:38:10who you are as a human being.
0:38:13 > 0:38:15So, what is driving hate like this?
0:38:15 > 0:38:16And who are these people?
0:38:18 > 0:38:21In 2013, even a simple campaign to commemorate
0:38:21 > 0:38:25Jane Austen on a £10 note resulted in a barrage of
0:38:25 > 0:38:28vile abuse sent to female campaign leaders.
0:38:32 > 0:38:36Free speech is one thing, but threats of rape or worse
0:38:36 > 0:38:40feels different to me, and they are becoming more and more common online.
0:38:40 > 0:38:43I just don't get where all this hate is coming from.
0:38:43 > 0:38:46But I know a man who might. How are you doing?
0:38:46 > 0:38:48- How are you doing, you all right? - 'Milo Yiannopoulos.'
0:38:49 > 0:38:53So, yesterday I spent a bit of time with a young man who actually spent
0:38:53 > 0:38:56- four weeks behind bars for trolling. - Yeah.
0:38:56 > 0:39:00On Twitter, he sent, over two days, a barrage of messages to a feminist.
0:39:00 > 0:39:02MILO LAUGHS Why are you laughing?
0:39:02 > 0:39:04Why is that funny to you?
0:39:04 > 0:39:06I think it's hysterical that people get locked up
0:39:06 > 0:39:07for what they post on Twitter.
0:39:07 > 0:39:09I mean, the extent to which free speech has evaporated
0:39:09 > 0:39:11in this country is amazing.
0:39:11 > 0:39:13- But there is free speech, surely... - So what?
0:39:13 > 0:39:15..and then there's sending threatening messages.
0:39:15 > 0:39:17He might've sworn at her and called her disgusting things,
0:39:17 > 0:39:19but it's not a reason to lock somebody up.
0:39:19 > 0:39:20Well, you say that.
0:39:20 > 0:39:24I also met Laurie, who is a feminist, one I know that you are aware of.
0:39:24 > 0:39:28And Laurie has received unbelievable messages,
0:39:28 > 0:39:31which go from "I know where you live" to "I'm watching you right now" to
0:39:31 > 0:39:33"I'm going to do XYZ to you tonight."
0:39:33 > 0:39:35- They don't believe this stuff. - It is scary.- It's not...
0:39:35 > 0:39:38- Look.- Oh, come on. - Listen, this is the typical
0:39:38 > 0:39:41bait and switch that happens with progressive activists, right?
0:39:41 > 0:39:44You goad people, you egg them on, you deliberately provoke them
0:39:44 > 0:39:47and then suddenly you turn around and play the victim
0:39:47 > 0:39:48cos you've got messages that you don't like.
0:39:48 > 0:39:52Well, I'm sorry, but if your entire career is based around telling
0:39:52 > 0:39:54white men that there is something wrong with them,
0:39:54 > 0:39:57you can't then complain when you get messages on Twitter saying
0:39:57 > 0:39:59that somebody wants to hurt you.
0:39:59 > 0:40:01Why do you think men resort to using the word rape so often?
0:40:01 > 0:40:03What the studies show is that men and women
0:40:03 > 0:40:06use slightly different language when they lose their temper.
0:40:06 > 0:40:08Women tend to call each other sluts and bitches and whores
0:40:08 > 0:40:09and that sort of stuff.
0:40:09 > 0:40:12Rape, as a sort of expression of power and domination,
0:40:12 > 0:40:14is more what men go for when they lose their temper,
0:40:14 > 0:40:16like they might threaten to beat you up.
0:40:16 > 0:40:18What does this mean for men moving forward?
0:40:18 > 0:40:20That men can't win an argument in the public sphere
0:40:20 > 0:40:22unless you watch your language SO carefully.
0:40:22 > 0:40:24When they speak out, they lose their jobs.
0:40:24 > 0:40:28Or they get just as much trolling as any feminist activist.
0:40:28 > 0:40:30But that is the dysfunctional situation we've got ourselves into
0:40:30 > 0:40:33precisely cos men are terrified to speak out about this stuff.
0:40:34 > 0:40:38Milo seems to be saying women are just being given too much,
0:40:38 > 0:40:39even too much protection.
0:40:39 > 0:40:42But with everything I've heard and read online,
0:40:42 > 0:40:46I'm finding it harder than ever to see men as the victimised sex.
0:40:46 > 0:40:49So, where does that leave someone like Roosh V?
0:40:51 > 0:40:54I go to the supermarket to be a pervert,
0:40:54 > 0:40:56to film that girl's ass.
0:40:56 > 0:40:57And another girl's ass.
0:40:57 > 0:41:00I've had to fly to Poland to find out.
0:41:01 > 0:41:05He just wasn't meeting the right kind of girls in America.
0:41:05 > 0:41:07They cut their hair short.
0:41:07 > 0:41:09They are so lazy to maintain long hair that they make
0:41:09 > 0:41:10themselves ugly on purpose.
0:41:12 > 0:41:14So he moved here a year ago,
0:41:14 > 0:41:18to a small university town full of female students.
0:41:18 > 0:41:20And before we meet, there is
0:41:20 > 0:41:23just time for a refresher on his back catalogue.
0:41:24 > 0:41:26Now, there is a lot of Roosh V books,
0:41:26 > 0:41:31which are available on huge websites online, by the way.
0:41:31 > 0:41:32Anyone can buy this stuff,
0:41:32 > 0:41:37and the sort of thing that is in these books is, erm...
0:41:37 > 0:41:39Yeah, it's...
0:41:39 > 0:41:41not the sort of thing that I'd want my younger brother to read.
0:41:43 > 0:41:46"It took four hours of foreplay and at least 30 repetitions of,
0:41:46 > 0:41:51"'No, Roosh, no' until she allowed my penis to enter her vagina.
0:41:51 > 0:41:54"No means no until it means yes."
0:41:54 > 0:41:56That is actually written here.
0:41:57 > 0:42:00"While walking to my place, I realised how drunk she was.
0:42:00 > 0:42:02"In America, having sex with her would have been rape
0:42:02 > 0:42:04"since she couldn't legally give her consent.
0:42:04 > 0:42:07"It didn't help matters that I was relatively sober,
0:42:07 > 0:42:10"but I can't say that I cared or even hesitated."
0:42:10 > 0:42:12It's actually illegal to force someone
0:42:12 > 0:42:14to have sex in Iceland too, Roosh.
0:42:14 > 0:42:15"I know that when it comes to sex,
0:42:15 > 0:42:19"one ounce of hesitation or feeling of morality will get me nothing."
0:42:21 > 0:42:24That one actually leaves a nasty taste to your mouth.
0:42:26 > 0:42:27'At his seminar, Roosh told me
0:42:27 > 0:42:31'he has a million visitors a month to his sites.
0:42:31 > 0:42:34'And one of the articles he posted there earlier this year
0:42:34 > 0:42:37'caused horror around the world.'
0:42:37 > 0:42:39There's a piece that he's actually written on his website
0:42:39 > 0:42:42called How To Stop Rape. And...
0:42:42 > 0:42:43There is a section here that reads,
0:42:43 > 0:42:47"I thought about this problem and I'm sure I have the solution.
0:42:47 > 0:42:50"Make rape legal if done on private property.
0:42:50 > 0:42:52"I propose that we make the violent taking of a woman
0:42:52 > 0:42:55"not punishable by law when done off of public grounds."
0:42:56 > 0:43:00Basically you're saying, if you rape someone on private grounds,
0:43:00 > 0:43:03in a private residence, it should be OK.
0:43:04 > 0:43:07That is fucking disgusting.
0:43:13 > 0:43:16This isn't about confidence.
0:43:16 > 0:43:21You know, 30 Bangs isn't about making young men
0:43:21 > 0:43:25feel as though they have value.
0:43:25 > 0:43:28This is about making young women feel as though they have none.
0:43:33 > 0:43:36Roosh is now back from the Canadian leg of his world tour
0:43:36 > 0:43:40where there was a furious reaction to his article on rape.
0:43:41 > 0:43:44The mayors of Montreal and Toronto tried to ban him,
0:43:44 > 0:43:47and he was even physically attacked in the street.
0:43:48 > 0:43:53Now, I'm about to meet this mammoth of the Manosphere in his own home.
0:43:57 > 0:43:59- Hey, Reg, how is it going? - Very good, thank you.
0:43:59 > 0:44:02- I haven't seen you in a while. - It's a shoes-off house, isn't it?
0:44:02 > 0:44:04- Yes, please, shoes off. - OK, no worries.
0:44:04 > 0:44:06I maintain a clean home.
0:44:06 > 0:44:09- It's a big old apartment you've got here.- Here's the bed.
0:44:09 > 0:44:13- One of the signs I used in the lecture...- Oh, my God.
0:44:13 > 0:44:15I found a way to use it here.
0:44:15 > 0:44:17REGGIE LAUGHS
0:44:17 > 0:44:19Oh, Roosh, really? Is that...
0:44:19 > 0:44:21Tell me you put that up for my benefit.
0:44:21 > 0:44:26- Is that normally there?- No... I mean, this sign, I hope, will stay here.
0:44:26 > 0:44:29Again, I know you already saw this sign in London,
0:44:29 > 0:44:33but I think there is another use of it that I can use here.
0:44:33 > 0:44:37And I work here, so all the genius that you may have
0:44:37 > 0:44:39come across that I've put out starts there.
0:44:40 > 0:44:44- What's in the kitchen?- Ahh... - Is it pure muscle-building foods?
0:44:44 > 0:44:47Look at that. No, it's healthy food.
0:44:47 > 0:44:50We've got vegetables, eggs, cheeses, wholefoods, right?
0:44:50 > 0:44:53But sometimes if a girl comes over, you know,
0:44:53 > 0:44:56you got to give her the supermarket champagne...
0:44:56 > 0:44:59- I was going to say... Prosecco. - ..that I bought on sale.
0:44:59 > 0:45:02- You're really spoiling her. - But they don't know that.
0:45:02 > 0:45:03They don't know that.
0:45:03 > 0:45:05So, how long has it been since you got back from Canada?
0:45:05 > 0:45:09- Or the world touring?- I've only been back for about five days.
0:45:09 > 0:45:12I'm still recovering from the drama there.
0:45:12 > 0:45:17They took one article I wrote called How To Stop Rape.
0:45:17 > 0:45:20It was a satirical thought experiment
0:45:20 > 0:45:23that the way to reduce rape is to encourage women
0:45:23 > 0:45:26to take responsibility for what they do,
0:45:26 > 0:45:29and I said we should legalise rape.
0:45:29 > 0:45:31Which, of course, is an absurd notion.
0:45:31 > 0:45:33- I've actually read that.- Yeah.
0:45:33 > 0:45:35- But they took it... - I read the piece. And it is...
0:45:35 > 0:45:38You use the word satirical and it is quite hard to find
0:45:38 > 0:45:41the satirical angle to it when you're actually reading it.
0:45:41 > 0:45:44The point I am trying to make is what would happen
0:45:44 > 0:45:49if we took this absurd notion and took it in a literal sense?
0:45:49 > 0:45:52Well, women would just take more care of themselves like
0:45:52 > 0:45:57they take care of their smartphone, their purse and their car.
0:45:57 > 0:46:01But what the media did, they said, "He is a rape advocate."
0:46:03 > 0:46:06I'm surprised at how indignant Roosh seems
0:46:06 > 0:46:08at how his rape article was taken,
0:46:08 > 0:46:11and he is desperate to show me video of his attack.
0:46:13 > 0:46:17This is what happens when you give females choice.
0:46:17 > 0:46:19They choose to do this.
0:46:19 > 0:46:21This is me in a wig,
0:46:21 > 0:46:24and these girls are throwing drinks at me.
0:46:26 > 0:46:28And now the anger is coming up.
0:46:28 > 0:46:31'You're a piece of shit. How dare you fucking come to Canada?
0:46:31 > 0:46:34'How dare you fucking come to my country?'
0:46:36 > 0:46:38SHOUTING ON VIDEO
0:46:38 > 0:46:43This is a violent mob. All because the media frothed these people up.
0:46:43 > 0:46:48THEY SHOUT BACK AND FORTH
0:46:48 > 0:46:51What were you hoping to achieve by writing things like this,
0:46:51 > 0:46:54especially when you know you're getting that kind of reaction?
0:46:54 > 0:46:59Then we have to ask ourselves - are we going to self-censor?
0:46:59 > 0:47:03How far are we willing to go to apply a filter to what
0:47:03 > 0:47:06we believe is right to free speech?
0:47:06 > 0:47:12My goal as a writer is to make sure that my ideas spread far and wide.
0:47:12 > 0:47:15So, of course, satire is going to be misinterpreted.
0:47:15 > 0:47:18But to be misinterpreted by everyone in Canada,
0:47:18 > 0:47:20all the media and even the politicians
0:47:20 > 0:47:25who came out against me, seems to be a deliberate action of theirs
0:47:25 > 0:47:27to paint me as someone that I'm not.
0:47:27 > 0:47:31Roosh can't seem to see himself as anything but the victim in this.
0:47:31 > 0:47:34Despite so many people's horror at what he wrote.
0:47:35 > 0:47:38I'm wondering if he will take any responsibility
0:47:38 > 0:47:42for what he's telling young men about sex.
0:47:42 > 0:47:44One of the things that really troubled me,
0:47:44 > 0:47:47particularly from a point of view of someone who has a younger
0:47:47 > 0:47:51brother who is in his teens, if he were to read that book,
0:47:51 > 0:47:55for instance, and read the passage "no means no until it means yes,"
0:47:55 > 0:47:57I'd be really concerned about what that might do in his mind.
0:47:57 > 0:48:01I can understand but I don't agree that the writing
0:48:01 > 0:48:05I share crosses a line. I advocate for consensual sex.
0:48:05 > 0:48:09But we have to understand how sex actually happens.
0:48:09 > 0:48:13We both know that if you bring a woman into your apartment
0:48:13 > 0:48:18and she, with a smile, says, "No, we're not going to do anything,"
0:48:18 > 0:48:21does that actually mean no? Is that when you stop and ask her to leave?
0:48:21 > 0:48:25Of course, no means no, and I have to state that. Then you stop.
0:48:25 > 0:48:29Wait until she is ready to go farther and then you go on.
0:48:29 > 0:48:32But in your book you talk about a situation where there is
0:48:32 > 0:48:35a woman who is half asleep and you "jammed it in,"
0:48:35 > 0:48:39I believe is the words that you used, which is so horrible.
0:48:39 > 0:48:43- But haven't you done that when a girl was half asleep?- No!
0:48:43 > 0:48:46A girl that you already had sex with, you've never done...
0:48:46 > 0:48:50- It wasn't the first time I had sex with her.- No.- Are you sure?
0:48:50 > 0:48:52- Yeah, I'm pretty sure.- OK, listen.
0:48:52 > 0:48:55I mean, I'm sure you've had sex with girls who were on some
0:48:55 > 0:48:59kind of alcohol or something else. Does that mean that you raped them?
0:48:59 > 0:49:00Of course not.
0:49:00 > 0:49:04So, if you want to examine every instance, every thrust,
0:49:04 > 0:49:06maybe you can find something.
0:49:06 > 0:49:08But this can happen to every man.
0:49:12 > 0:49:15Roosh, thank you for having me in your home.
0:49:15 > 0:49:17No more articles on how to rape women.
0:49:17 > 0:49:20- I think I'm done with the rape issue.- I think you should leave that for now.
0:49:20 > 0:49:22- I think I've made the point, you know?- Yeah...
0:49:22 > 0:49:24- Well, you made A point. - OK, man, take care.
0:49:30 > 0:49:33It was an issue when I was growing up and it seems to be an issue now,
0:49:33 > 0:49:36and that is that young men need role models.
0:49:36 > 0:49:38They always have and they always will.
0:49:38 > 0:49:41And it just seems as though this movement
0:49:41 > 0:49:43is providing role models,
0:49:43 > 0:49:46just a different kind to the ones that I agree with.
0:49:47 > 0:49:51I think if you have got a man to look up to that is telling you that
0:49:51 > 0:49:55you will be all right and that is showing you how to navigate
0:49:55 > 0:49:58this weird world,
0:49:58 > 0:50:00then you might just survive.
0:50:00 > 0:50:03But if you have got someone whose view is massively skewed
0:50:03 > 0:50:07and massively influenced by their own inadequacies or issues...
0:50:09 > 0:50:11..then you are going to have some of your own.
0:50:12 > 0:50:16My worry is that there are a tonne of young men who are desperately
0:50:16 > 0:50:20searching for something and are finding it in the Manosphere,
0:50:20 > 0:50:21when in reality,
0:50:21 > 0:50:26what they actually need is...is they need a confidence boost
0:50:26 > 0:50:28and they need someone to show them
0:50:28 > 0:50:31that you don't have to be this way to be successful
0:50:31 > 0:50:35in any part of your life, particularly when it comes to women.