0:00:05 > 0:00:10Susan Sarandon is one of America's most successful actresses,
0:00:10 > 0:00:13with a career spanning more than 40 years.
0:00:13 > 0:00:18She's appeared films as diverse as Thelma & Louise, and The Witches Of Eastwick.
0:00:18 > 0:00:22In 1996, she won an Oscar for her part in Dead Man Walking.
0:00:22 > 0:00:27She lives in New York City and has three children:
0:00:27 > 0:00:29Jack, Eva and Miles.
0:00:29 > 0:00:35Family's always been really important to me. I come from a big family and my immediate family
0:00:35 > 0:00:39is really important but I've always been really curious about ancestors.
0:00:39 > 0:00:41I've done a little digging around here and there.
0:00:41 > 0:00:44But the two mysteries I've never been able to solve
0:00:44 > 0:00:49are what happened to my grandmother Anita, and where her family's from.
0:00:49 > 0:00:55We had lots of rumour but that's it. She seems to have just disappeared when my mom was two.
0:00:55 > 0:01:03We've never been able to figure that out and...you know, keep coming up with dead ends so,
0:01:03 > 0:01:06if we could figure that out it'll be a miracle.
0:01:25 > 0:01:29Susan Sarandon was born in New York in 1946.
0:01:29 > 0:01:32It's here she's raised her family, including youngest son, Miles.
0:01:32 > 0:01:38What if you find out, like, your great-grandmother dominated the ping-pong parlours of New York?
0:01:38 > 0:01:43- That'd be really cool, actually. - That'd be funny.
0:01:43 > 0:01:48Susan has always been fascinated by her enigmatic grandmother.
0:01:48 > 0:01:51Anita Rigali who she never knew.
0:01:51 > 0:01:56- Wasn't she like...?- She was rumoured to be a bad girl.
0:01:56 > 0:02:01Bad in the way Shaft was bad or bad in the way that Satan is bad?
0:02:01 > 0:02:07More along the lines of, early teenage pregnancy, can't take care of your children bad.
0:02:07 > 0:02:10We have one photo of her where you can actually see her face and
0:02:10 > 0:02:14that's this laminated photo that was from a newspaper - I don't know why.
0:02:14 > 0:02:17And she looks quite beautiful.
0:02:17 > 0:02:21I heard somehow that she was, you know, a bad mother.
0:02:21 > 0:02:24Then there were rumours about her running numbers, about her in
0:02:24 > 0:02:27a jazz club, and there were rumours - you know, all these kind of things.
0:02:27 > 0:02:30I'd like to know some tales about what kind of people,
0:02:30 > 0:02:36what kind of stock I have in me and what I'm passing on to my kids.
0:02:43 > 0:02:50So I'm on my way to Virginia to interview my mother and find out what she knows about her mother.
0:02:50 > 0:02:55Pretty much everything that I had heard about Anita, my grandmother,
0:02:55 > 0:02:59you know, she was presented as somebody who had abandoned her children.
0:02:59 > 0:03:02So part of me is fearful for my mom.
0:03:02 > 0:03:07At one point when we were trying to find out more about Anita,
0:03:07 > 0:03:09she had very mixed feelings.
0:03:09 > 0:03:13Kind of a push-pull thing, where she wanted to know, but didn't want to be a part of it.
0:03:13 > 0:03:18So I'm not sure what her state is now in terms of how she feels about tracking her down.
0:03:18 > 0:03:21I think it's, understandably, an emotionally-charged...
0:03:21 > 0:03:24search for her.
0:03:24 > 0:03:28It's such a strange thing to think that you could have children and then just never see them
0:03:28 > 0:03:30for the rest of their lives,
0:03:30 > 0:03:33that you wouldn't want to find out how your kids were,
0:03:33 > 0:03:36so we thought, "Maybe she's dead."
0:03:38 > 0:03:39So, Mom, here we are.
0:03:39 > 0:03:42We're going to find out whatever we can about Anita.
0:03:42 > 0:03:44I'm hoping you have some information.
0:03:44 > 0:03:47Cos I don't have much of anything.
0:03:47 > 0:03:49- I hope I can help. - I hope so too.
0:03:49 > 0:03:52Are you excited about this little adventure we're on?
0:03:52 > 0:03:53I'm a little apprehensive.
0:03:53 > 0:03:55Yeah, well, I can see why.
0:03:55 > 0:03:57I have one picture of her.
0:03:57 > 0:03:59Mm-hmm.
0:03:59 > 0:04:00Do you know anything about that?
0:04:00 > 0:04:05I mean, she's... it was laminated for maybe a newspaper or something.
0:04:05 > 0:04:11No, in those years, the nightclubs had photographers walking around tables.
0:04:11 > 0:04:15Do you have any idea where it was taken?
0:04:15 > 0:04:22It was either the Copacabana or another one of that type right at Times Square.
0:04:22 > 0:04:24So she was a party gal?
0:04:24 > 0:04:27- Yes.- Was she?- Sure.
0:04:27 > 0:04:33I don't mean that as a euphemism for something else. I mean, what was she doing at the Copa?
0:04:33 > 0:04:35I think in those days they called them showgirls.
0:04:35 > 0:04:38- What do they call them now? - well, dancers.- Oh, dancers!
0:04:38 > 0:04:42- She was, like, a dancer? - Yeah, but they called them...
0:04:42 > 0:04:46- But not a stripper or something? - No.- OK.
0:04:46 > 0:04:51Well, I'm glad that we're figuring out because I don't think any of us know, really.
0:04:51 > 0:04:53It must have been really difficult,
0:04:53 > 0:04:56to piece it all together later.
0:04:56 > 0:04:58I mean, when you're younger, you're kind of...
0:04:58 > 0:05:02Well, I always thought that you either had a father
0:05:02 > 0:05:06or a mother, but if you had two, that was just a...
0:05:06 > 0:05:08- Wellness.- Yeah.- Ah!
0:05:08 > 0:05:13- So I had a dad, and some people had mothers.- Uh-huh.
0:05:13 > 0:05:21But I only found out that she was still living when I was nine years old.
0:05:21 > 0:05:23I had always thought she was dead.
0:05:23 > 0:05:24- Really?- And then they told me...
0:05:24 > 0:05:25Hey, I may cry!
0:05:25 > 0:05:27I might cry too.
0:05:27 > 0:05:30No, they told me that she had died,
0:05:30 > 0:05:34then when I was about nine years old or ten,
0:05:34 > 0:05:37someone let it slip that she really wasn't dead.
0:05:37 > 0:05:39And...oh, good heavens,
0:05:39 > 0:05:42I may...
0:05:42 > 0:05:43We should get some tissues.
0:05:43 > 0:05:49It would be another six years before Susan's mother saw Anita again.
0:05:49 > 0:05:56In 1939, the year the World's Fair came to New York, Anita got in touch and they arranged to meet.
0:05:56 > 0:06:01So what is this, this picture?
0:06:01 > 0:06:08Lenora, right, Anita, left. At New York World Fair 1939.
0:06:08 > 0:06:11What is it?
0:06:11 > 0:06:14- That's me there. - Completely distorted.
0:06:14 > 0:06:16What's happened to you?
0:06:16 > 0:06:17Oh, you're in the fun house.
0:06:17 > 0:06:20- In the...- Distorted mirror.
0:06:20 > 0:06:24It was, like, a three-sided mirror.
0:06:24 > 0:06:26- And Dad took the picture.- Oh!
0:06:26 > 0:06:29- Grandfather took the picture?- Yeah.
0:06:29 > 0:06:32So he must've been on OK speaking terms if he took the picture?
0:06:32 > 0:06:35Well, he brought me to meet her.
0:06:35 > 0:06:37- Oh! Your father brought you to meet...- We spent the whole day.
0:06:37 > 0:06:41- Oh, all of you were together.- Yeah.
0:06:41 > 0:06:46That's you and your mom and grandfather...
0:06:46 > 0:06:50- Look at that, she's got your arm. - She's got my arm.
0:06:50 > 0:06:53Yeah.
0:07:00 > 0:07:02Oh, dear.
0:07:08 > 0:07:10Don't like to go back, huh?
0:07:10 > 0:07:13I don't know.
0:07:13 > 0:07:15- So you just kind of lost contact?- Right.
0:07:15 > 0:07:19It's so ironic that the one photo of my mother
0:07:19 > 0:07:23with her mother, just like their relationship,
0:07:23 > 0:07:26it's distorted in a mirror.
0:07:26 > 0:07:28And that was it.
0:07:28 > 0:07:31After that, she just disappeared.
0:07:31 > 0:07:33That was really a revelation.
0:07:33 > 0:07:37We found out so many things about Anita that I never heard before
0:07:37 > 0:07:42and made me really excited about tracking down more bits and pieces.
0:07:42 > 0:07:46And, I don't know, I'm starting to get a kind of picture.
0:07:46 > 0:07:49Pretty interesting picture.
0:07:49 > 0:07:53Uh, I don't think we're going to discover she had a knitting club
0:07:53 > 0:07:54or anything.
0:07:54 > 0:07:58I don't know what we're going to find out, but, um, I can't wait
0:07:58 > 0:08:00to get back to New York and start looking.
0:08:00 > 0:08:05According to Susan's mother, Anita was living in New York in 1939.
0:08:05 > 0:08:12Susan's returned to Manhattan to look for any documentation of Anita's life there.
0:08:12 > 0:08:15She's meeting genealogist and family historian Megan Smolenyak.
0:08:15 > 0:08:21There's lots of really interesting tales about my grandmother Anita, but I don't know the facts.
0:08:21 > 0:08:23What do we have here?
0:08:23 > 0:08:25Well, when you're trying to find somebody who went missing,
0:08:25 > 0:08:29it's kind of useful to step back in time and see what you can learn about their early days.
0:08:29 > 0:08:33- Fortunately, your grandmother did leave a good paper trail.- Oh!
0:08:33 > 0:08:35During the early part of her life, yeah.
0:08:35 > 0:08:37Starting with her birth certificate.
0:08:37 > 0:08:41Uh-huh. Anita Rigali.
0:08:41 > 0:08:44- And she was born March 9, 1907. - Yeah.
0:08:44 > 0:08:46And the fa... Oh, they don't put the dad?
0:08:46 > 0:08:50- That's the dad right there. - Mansueto? And what does that mean?
0:08:50 > 0:08:53- Statue? - That would be his occupation.
0:08:53 > 0:08:55It's statues. It's badly spelled.
0:08:55 > 0:08:58- Makes statues.- That could be useful going forward.
0:08:58 > 0:09:01Her mother's name was Angelina. That's sweet.
0:09:01 > 0:09:05- Actually, maiden name Angelina Bonturi. Very pretty name.- Yeah.
0:09:05 > 0:09:09The father came from Italy. Probably the mother came from Italy.
0:09:09 > 0:09:11But any indication where?
0:09:11 > 0:09:15- No. Unfortunately, all this tells us is that they were from Italy. - Italy, Italy, Italy.
0:09:15 > 0:09:18The number of previous children - what?
0:09:18 > 0:09:20Nine?
0:09:20 > 0:09:23We're saying now that Anita was one of nine?
0:09:23 > 0:09:26- At least.- Oh, my God.- Yeah.
0:09:26 > 0:09:29But now how many now living?
0:09:29 > 0:09:31Three.
0:09:31 > 0:09:32Really?
0:09:32 > 0:09:34- Oh, my God.- Yeah.
0:09:36 > 0:09:38So this is the 1920 census.
0:09:38 > 0:09:40Oh, there's Rigali.
0:09:40 > 0:09:43Rita and Anita and Joseph.
0:09:43 > 0:09:46So there were three kids living.
0:09:46 > 0:09:47So she was 12.
0:09:47 > 0:09:50And the dad. Mansueto.
0:09:50 > 0:09:53And what does that mean, "W"?
0:09:53 > 0:09:55- Is that widowed?- Yeah, exactly.
0:09:55 > 0:09:58- Oh, so the mother's gone now?- Yeah.
0:09:58 > 0:10:01Oh, my God.
0:10:01 > 0:10:06So Angelina was already dead by the time Anita was 12.
0:10:06 > 0:10:10Yeah. See, that's another element of hardship in Anita's life.
0:10:10 > 0:10:14She would have lost her mom probably when she was ten-ish, somewhere around there.
0:10:14 > 0:10:16Oh, poor Anita.
0:10:16 > 0:10:20So after her mother Angelina's death, all that Anita had left
0:10:20 > 0:10:23was her father Mansueto, who worked full-time,
0:10:23 > 0:10:26and an older sister and a younger brother.
0:10:26 > 0:10:30This is my grandmother's marriage record.
0:10:30 > 0:10:33- Right, so...- Oh, my God.
0:10:33 > 0:10:38Does it say that my grandfather was 21 and she was 15
0:10:38 > 0:10:40when she got married?
0:10:40 > 0:10:41Well, maybe.
0:10:41 > 0:10:44Well, take a look here. This is the date of the marriage...
0:10:44 > 0:10:47February 1st, 1921.
0:10:47 > 0:10:50And we saw her birth date.
0:10:50 > 0:10:53So, in fact, although she's claiming to be 15...
0:10:53 > 0:10:55How old is she?
0:10:55 > 0:10:57- 13.- Oh, my God.
0:10:57 > 0:10:58Yeah.
0:10:58 > 0:11:00Ooh, that scoundrel.
0:11:02 > 0:11:04So she was 13 when she got married.
0:11:04 > 0:11:06Right.
0:11:06 > 0:11:11- So she was already pregnant because my uncle Bob was born just three months after they were married.- Yeah.
0:11:11 > 0:11:14My grandfather was six years older.
0:11:14 > 0:11:17- Mm-hm.- He must have had a little bit more of a clue of what was going on.
0:11:17 > 0:11:21- Yeah.- She was just a baby When she had a baby. Even in those days.
0:11:21 > 0:11:25I felt really bad for Anita.
0:11:25 > 0:11:28Her mom had died when she was so young,
0:11:28 > 0:11:31and so she was really on her own when she got pregnant.
0:11:31 > 0:11:34She didn't have a childhood.
0:11:35 > 0:11:40I'm meeting with Mary Brown, an expert in Italian immigration in New York city.
0:11:40 > 0:11:43I'm hoping she can tell me more about Anita's childhood
0:11:43 > 0:11:46here on the Lower East Side and Anita's parents,
0:11:46 > 0:11:48Angelina and Mansueto.
0:11:48 > 0:11:51This would be your great-grandparents' marriage certificate.
0:11:52 > 0:11:54They were married here, um,
0:11:54 > 0:11:57the 10th of October, 1891.
0:11:57 > 0:11:59Does it have where they lived down there?
0:11:59 > 0:12:04Yes, the address where they first lived would be 35 Madison Street.
0:12:04 > 0:12:09The building where they lived probably didn't come with running water so it would be very hard
0:12:09 > 0:12:13for your great-grandmother to keep anything clean.
0:12:13 > 0:12:16There was no refrigeration, no way to give them a cold drink.
0:12:16 > 0:12:18It was a very crowded neighbourhood.
0:12:18 > 0:12:23It was very hard to get any kind of peace and quiet and any kind of elbow room.
0:12:23 > 0:12:26And it was very hard to isolate someone who was sick.
0:12:26 > 0:12:28So that place was a death trap.
0:12:31 > 0:12:38In the 1900s, Anita's family lived in a tenement-style neighbourhood on the Lower East Side of Manhattan.
0:12:38 > 0:12:40In this working class, immigrant neighbourhood,
0:12:40 > 0:12:42extreme poverty was rampant.
0:12:42 > 0:12:45Living space was cramped and unsanitary
0:12:45 > 0:12:47with dark and airless rooms and no running water.
0:12:47 > 0:12:50Disease spread quickly from family to family.
0:12:50 > 0:12:53Probably the reason so many of Anita's siblings,
0:12:53 > 0:12:56as well as her mother Angelina, died.
0:12:56 > 0:13:00To see this tough, tough life that so many immigrants
0:13:00 > 0:13:04at that time had, it gives you a real sense of perspective.
0:13:04 > 0:13:07I'm sure we could trace them back even further.
0:13:07 > 0:13:13Susan's son Miles has joined her at the New York Public Library to find out more about the Rigalis' roots.
0:13:16 > 0:13:20We're going to try to find out where her parents were from,
0:13:20 > 0:13:22where Anita's parents were from in Italy.
0:13:22 > 0:13:26So if you put in 'Italian surnames map'.
0:13:26 > 0:13:27OK. This it?
0:13:27 > 0:13:32That means surnames, so try Rigali.
0:13:32 > 0:13:34- How you spell that?- R-I-G-A-L-I.
0:13:39 > 0:13:43Oh, my. They're from Tuscany.
0:13:43 > 0:13:45That's interesting.
0:13:45 > 0:13:49So try Bonturi.
0:13:49 > 0:13:55- So that looks similar. - So, Tuscany and...
0:13:55 > 0:13:57They're both in the same region...
0:13:57 > 0:14:01in the west of Florence.
0:14:01 > 0:14:04OK, if the surnames were in Tuscany,
0:14:04 > 0:14:07I guess that's where we should go to see...
0:14:07 > 0:14:10any relatives before they came here.
0:14:10 > 0:14:16We didn't have any idea where our great-grandparents came from,
0:14:16 > 0:14:19the Rigalis and Bonturis, so...
0:14:19 > 0:14:24Now it looks like there's a big possibility they're from Tuscany.
0:14:24 > 0:14:28Susan is travelling to Florence, the capital of Tuscany
0:14:28 > 0:14:32to find out more about her great-grandfather's life here.
0:14:32 > 0:14:39And to see how far back she can trace her Italian roots.
0:14:39 > 0:14:42I'm always happy to be in Italy.
0:14:42 > 0:14:47From the first time I came to Italy, I felt inexplicably at home. Now I know why!
0:14:47 > 0:14:51My gene pool is crying out.
0:14:51 > 0:14:54Toscana? Si.
0:14:54 > 0:14:58It'd be great to find out that Mansueto and Angelina had a nice life
0:14:58 > 0:15:01before everything started caving in and all these children
0:15:01 > 0:15:04and hardships and disease and everything happened to them.
0:15:06 > 0:15:10I'm meeting researcher Cinzia Rossello at the Riccardini Library
0:15:10 > 0:15:14to look for proof that Mansueto came from Tuscany.
0:15:15 > 0:15:20So I'm excited to be here to see if there's any records of my great-grandfather.
0:15:20 > 0:15:22Yes. We did some research and I've
0:15:22 > 0:15:25- done some translation for you... - Thank you.
0:15:25 > 0:15:27..that proves that your family comes from Tuscany.
0:15:27 > 0:15:29Oh, Mansueto Rigali, yes!
0:15:29 > 0:15:33My great-grandfather was born at 2:00 in the afternoon
0:15:33 > 0:15:36on the 12th of July in 1855.
0:15:36 > 0:15:43And the next thing I found is a record of a sort of conscription document.
0:15:43 > 0:15:45Oh.
0:15:45 > 0:15:47See if you can read something here.
0:15:47 > 0:15:50Here's Rigali, Mansueto.
0:15:50 > 0:15:56The beauty of it is that gives us a bit more information about place
0:15:56 > 0:15:59where he was residing.. where he lived.
0:15:59 > 0:16:03Coreglia. Is that a street?
0:16:03 > 0:16:04Coreglia?
0:16:04 > 0:16:05A small town.
0:16:05 > 0:16:11- A, ah, ah.- And in this column here, it says that he was a colono.
0:16:11 > 0:16:14Means that he owned some land.
0:16:14 > 0:16:15- Oh, really?- Yes.- And he's only 20.
0:16:16 > 0:16:20- Exactly.- Wow!
0:16:20 > 0:16:21- Well...- Not bad.
0:16:21 > 0:16:22That's interesting.
0:16:22 > 0:16:27- When he got to the United States, he didn't have so much luck.- No?- No.
0:16:27 > 0:16:30But anyway, so he was only 20 here. Things are still looking up.
0:16:30 > 0:16:32He's got a little bit of land.
0:16:32 > 0:16:33Exactly.
0:16:33 > 0:16:35And so we should go to Corelia.
0:16:35 > 0:16:36- Coreglia.- Coreglia.
0:16:36 > 0:16:42Precisely, and you'll find more traces of your ancestors there.
0:16:44 > 0:16:47Cinzi and I are heading into the Tuscan mountains 50 miles northwest
0:16:47 > 0:16:51of Florence to the village of Coreglia, where Mansueto was born.
0:17:00 > 0:17:05This is the church where not only your great-grandfather was
0:17:05 > 0:17:11baptized, but we found records of many more of your ancestors baptized
0:17:11 > 0:17:13- in this church.- Oh, great.
0:17:13 > 0:17:16Starting from this registry.
0:17:16 > 0:17:18- Oh, Mansueto.- Mm-hm.
0:17:18 > 0:17:22And this says also the name of his father Egidio
0:17:22 > 0:17:24and his grandfather Michele.
0:17:24 > 0:17:27Oh. Yay.
0:17:27 > 0:17:30- So that's the great-great...- Exactly.
0:17:30 > 0:17:33There's an echo in here. Great-great! LAUGHS
0:17:33 > 0:17:37So going back, back, back.
0:17:37 > 0:17:40- Look at this book. Oh, my gosh. - This is in Latin.
0:17:40 > 0:17:44- Wow.- We think...- I'm going to start writing like this, it's so beautiful.
0:17:44 > 0:17:49- 1758.- This is Giofrediano, son of Giovanni.
0:17:49 > 0:17:54- Son of Michele.- Wow. So they repeated Michele.
0:17:54 > 0:17:58Very good. So going back, back, back. Now the mystery... a real mystery.
0:17:58 > 0:18:01Rigali.
0:18:01 > 0:18:05- Francesco, son of Michele, son of Giovanni Rigali,
0:18:05 > 0:18:09So you can go even further.
0:18:09 > 0:18:12Whoa. Oh, my.
0:18:14 > 0:18:17Wow. Back to Michele in 1640.
0:18:17 > 0:18:21Exactly. It means that you have very deep roots here in Italy.
0:18:21 > 0:18:24Yeah. It's unbelievable.
0:18:27 > 0:18:30The church records traced Susan's Italian ancestors back
0:18:30 > 0:18:35an incredible ten generations, to Michele Rigali,
0:18:35 > 0:18:37who was born around 1640.
0:18:41 > 0:18:45- I think you have very classic Tuscan features.- Really? Yes.
0:18:45 > 0:18:47The colours...
0:18:47 > 0:18:50- That's great.- Renaissance.
0:18:50 > 0:18:52Renaissance!
0:18:52 > 0:18:55I am officially from Tuscany. Definitely.
0:18:55 > 0:19:00So that was startling to be able to prove it that far back.
0:19:00 > 0:19:05It's gone from being something kind of abstract to being very concrete.
0:19:08 > 0:19:12Susan's great-grandfather Mansueto was a statue maker.
0:19:12 > 0:19:14So before she leaves Coreglia,
0:19:14 > 0:19:20she wants to visit the local museum of figurines and emigration.
0:19:20 > 0:19:23She's meeting local guide Gabriele Calabrese.
0:19:23 > 0:19:28- Hello.- Hello.- So nice to meet you. - Welcome to Coreglia.
0:19:28 > 0:19:32So, is that my great-grandfather there?
0:19:32 > 0:19:36Of course, yes. Here is Mansueto. This is a unique place.
0:19:36 > 0:19:44It's a unique village. It's the place in which the figurine makers and plasters where invented.
0:19:44 > 0:19:48It's not a big town, it's not Milan or Rome or Florence.
0:19:48 > 0:19:52It's a village in which this idea was invented.
0:19:52 > 0:19:58- So if you were interested in learning that trade, you would come to this town to learn it?- Yes.
0:19:58 > 0:20:03This place is so unique and this little village is dedicated,
0:20:03 > 0:20:08even a whole museum, to the whole phenomenon of the figurine makers.
0:20:08 > 0:20:12- We can go together to see it.- Good. OK.- Please...
0:20:14 > 0:20:16You can see immediately...
0:20:16 > 0:20:18Look how many statues around us...
0:20:18 > 0:20:25The typical 19th century style. I would like to show you pictures.
0:20:25 > 0:20:29They were very proud about their work, their job.
0:20:29 > 0:20:36In this one there is an interesting detail - the face of an Indian.
0:20:36 > 0:20:38This means this man was probably in the United States.
0:20:38 > 0:20:41And so, they were very flexible
0:20:41 > 0:20:47to change the style of their figurines to enter certain markets.
0:20:47 > 0:20:51- So do you have any idea when my great-grandfather left here?- Yes.
0:20:51 > 0:20:55- With his statues?- We know exactly. - Oh!
0:20:55 > 0:21:01In 1888, he was one of the first wave of figurine makers that...
0:21:01 > 0:21:07They moved from this village to go to United States.
0:21:07 > 0:21:11And we have the passengers list.
0:21:11 > 0:21:16- Here it is. Mansueto Rigali.- Exactly.
0:21:16 > 0:21:19- Mansueto Rigali.- He was 32.
0:21:19 > 0:21:2598 figurine makers decided to move to United States all in that year.
0:21:25 > 0:21:26- Wow!- That is really incredible.
0:21:26 > 0:21:28That's huge from a tiny village.
0:21:28 > 0:21:31Oh, exactly. That's really huge.
0:21:31 > 0:21:35And they knew what to do with their hands. Like artists. Simple artists. But...
0:21:35 > 0:21:38So they could be more confident because they came with a trade.
0:21:38 > 0:21:40Exactly.
0:21:42 > 0:21:46For more than 500 years, the village flourished as the figurines sold all over Europe.
0:21:46 > 0:21:51But by Mansueto's time, life had become tough for the sculptors of Coreglia,
0:21:51 > 0:21:57and news was coming from America that untold riches could be made there.
0:21:57 > 0:22:01Mansueto was one of 50,000 Italians
0:22:01 > 0:22:03to cross the Atlantic in 1888.
0:22:03 > 0:22:07Between 1880 and 1890, almost five million Europeans
0:22:07 > 0:22:11arrived in search of a new life in America.
0:22:11 > 0:22:18Susan, I would like to give you a present - the symbol of Coreglia.
0:22:18 > 0:22:20The famous...
0:22:20 > 0:22:25- little cat in plaster, as you can see.- Adorable, thank you.
0:22:25 > 0:22:28- You are so welcome.- I'd like to thank my mother, I'd like to thank...
0:22:28 > 0:22:31my great-grandfather for this award.
0:22:31 > 0:22:33Fabulous.
0:22:33 > 0:22:36- Cute. Thank you.- You're welcome.
0:22:36 > 0:22:41It's been wonderful to see that Mansueto, my great-grandfather,
0:22:41 > 0:22:49had such a lovely life in this beautiful little town with turned out to be a major town for statue making.
0:22:49 > 0:22:57I'm happy to find this little piece of beauty and art and family here.
0:23:02 > 0:23:06I know that the Rigali name came from this area, so I'm hoping if I go to
0:23:06 > 0:23:11a phonebook, maybe I can find out if there are any other Rigalis listed.
0:23:11 > 0:23:18In which case, maybe I'll find a living relative which so far has eluded me. So, that's the next step.
0:23:31 > 0:23:35Susan manages to track down the last remaining Rigali living in the area.
0:23:37 > 0:23:43Gilberto Rigali shares the same great-great-great-grandfather, Michele Rigali.
0:23:46 > 0:23:50- Ciao.- Ciao, hello!- Hello, are you Gilberto?- Yes.
0:23:50 > 0:23:53- Hi.- Nice to meet you.- Nice to meet you. Hi!
0:23:53 > 0:23:56- How are you. This is Donny. - Hi, Donny.
0:23:56 > 0:23:59Um...yeah, I think we're related.
0:23:59 > 0:24:02- Yes... It's amazing! - THEY LAUGH
0:24:02 > 0:24:06- It's nice.- So your last name is Rigali?- Yes.
0:24:06 > 0:24:09I'm the only Rigali in this place.
0:24:09 > 0:24:15- My father - Mariano Rigali.- Si.- And my grandfather Giovanni Rigali.
0:24:21 > 0:24:25- Very surprised. Very.- Me too. - Me too?- Yeah.
0:24:25 > 0:24:27Mama mia.
0:24:33 > 0:24:40- The film Dead Man Walking with Sean Penn.- Oh, yes.- Thelma & Louise - beautiful film. L'Olio Di Lorenzo.
0:24:40 > 0:24:45- Ah!- Much beautiful films. Vecchio. Old... Old film.- Si.
0:24:45 > 0:24:49Ma, you, uguale....
0:24:49 > 0:24:51- Si, yes.- Grazie.
0:25:01 > 0:25:02That was lovely.
0:25:02 > 0:25:10I found a distant cousin, Gilberto Rigali, just by the hair of my chinny-chin-chin
0:25:10 > 0:25:13because he's the only one left.
0:25:13 > 0:25:16Because they're all travellers, all over the place.
0:25:16 > 0:25:21For me, I've always felt very connected to Italy and I love it.
0:25:21 > 0:25:23It just confirms that that makes sense.
0:25:27 > 0:25:30I like coming from a family of people that were artists.
0:25:34 > 0:25:38They left with such hopes and, you know, they found such hardship,
0:25:38 > 0:25:42when they got to this land of opportunity.
0:25:42 > 0:25:44I mean, it's great that they managed to find
0:25:44 > 0:25:47a way to survive, but it cost them so much.
0:25:47 > 0:25:52Mansueto lived until he was 72 years old.
0:25:52 > 0:25:55His whole life in New York was overshadowed by tragedy.
0:25:59 > 0:26:03I want to pay my respects at the family plot
0:26:03 > 0:26:08where he's buried with his wife and young children.
0:26:21 > 0:26:23OK, I guess this is where it would be.
0:26:29 > 0:26:33There's one, two, three, four, five,
0:26:33 > 0:26:36six, seven, eight, nine people,
0:26:36 > 0:26:38and they're all somewhere here -
0:26:38 > 0:26:41my family, but there's no marker.
0:26:41 > 0:26:42That's really sad.
0:26:42 > 0:26:46Anita's not here, so we still don't know what happened to Anita.
0:26:46 > 0:26:50But this is a, you know, a family that suffered a lot...
0:26:50 > 0:26:54All these kids that died, and nobody even has a marker.
0:26:54 > 0:26:57I mean, it's almost like a...
0:26:58 > 0:26:59Potter's field kind of thing,
0:26:59 > 0:27:02where they don't even have markers. It's so sad.
0:27:02 > 0:27:06I should get them a marker.
0:27:08 > 0:27:10Poor Anita.
0:27:10 > 0:27:14You know, kind of like my mom, was used to having people leave her.
0:27:14 > 0:27:17Don't know what happened to her, But I hope we find out.
0:27:22 > 0:27:26If the rumours are true and she was attracted to show business,
0:27:26 > 0:27:29maybe I did inherit something from her.
0:27:29 > 0:27:32So I'm going to meet Burton Peretti, an expert on New York nightclubs.
0:27:32 > 0:27:34The only picture that isn't distorted
0:27:34 > 0:27:38is this one of my grandma that was taken apparently at the Copa,
0:27:38 > 0:27:41And I've heard that she was a dancer there. The Copacabana.
0:27:41 > 0:27:44I don't know if that's true. Can you help me?
0:27:44 > 0:27:47Well, given her age, birth date,
0:27:47 > 0:27:50she was probably active in nightclubs in the 1920s,
0:27:50 > 0:27:51possibly in speakeasies.
0:27:51 > 0:27:57It's the highpoint of the nightclub craze in Manhattan.
0:27:57 > 0:28:01There were dozens of high-priced dazzling places
0:28:01 > 0:28:03charging lots of money, making lots of money,
0:28:03 > 0:28:06and, of course, selling illegal liquor.
0:28:06 > 0:28:09And it really becomes a magnet for young women who want to do well.
0:28:09 > 0:28:13The dancing, the singing, took place right in between the tables.
0:28:13 > 0:28:15It was like the early lap dancing?
0:28:15 > 0:28:19Absolutely. They would sit in people's laps.
0:28:19 > 0:28:22- They would pop cherries into male customers' mouths...- Hmm...
0:28:22 > 0:28:26Join them in dancing, put funny hats on them.
0:28:26 > 0:28:27It was very participatory.
0:28:27 > 0:28:32- This photo, we think, was taken at the Copacabana.- Mm-hm.
0:28:32 > 0:28:33So what happened there?
0:28:33 > 0:28:38Well, that was one of the most popular nightclubs in Manhattan.
0:28:38 > 0:28:40Entertainers like Frank Sinatra
0:28:40 > 0:28:43were mainstays of the Copacabana beginning of the 1940s.
0:28:43 > 0:28:47My mom's obsessed with Frank Sinatra. It'd be so great if her mother dated Frank Sinatra.
0:28:47 > 0:28:52We have very little documentation of your grandmother in the nightclubs.
0:28:52 > 0:28:55However, we were able to find one document
0:28:55 > 0:28:58- relating to her in this time period.- Oh, wow!
0:28:58 > 0:29:01So what time period are we talking?
0:29:01 > 0:29:03This is from October 1932.
0:29:03 > 0:29:05- And it is a marriage licence. - SHE GASPS
0:29:05 > 0:29:08So...oh, yes!
0:29:08 > 0:29:12Anita Rigali, she was 25, and she got married to Ben Kahn.
0:29:12 > 0:29:15And he was a salesman.
0:29:16 > 0:29:18She was a homemaker apparently.
0:29:18 > 0:29:19Of course.
0:29:19 > 0:29:21Which would be a change for her.
0:29:21 > 0:29:23Wow! Well, that's interesting.
0:29:23 > 0:29:25One of the reasons that we couldn't find her
0:29:25 > 0:29:30was because we didn't know if she'd gotten remarried or if she had a social security number.
0:29:30 > 0:29:34The number of previous marriages - none?!
0:29:34 > 0:29:38Hmm.
0:29:38 > 0:29:40Well, that's interesting.
0:29:40 > 0:29:43Oh, God, nothing seems to add up with this woman.
0:29:43 > 0:29:48The interesting issue is, of course, was she still married to your grandfather?
0:29:48 > 0:29:50- When she got married.- Yes.
0:29:50 > 0:29:54- Oh!- We were not able to find a record of a divorce.
0:29:54 > 0:29:57So it's really an open question.
0:29:57 > 0:30:01I would just point out that bigamy was against the law,
0:30:01 > 0:30:04and it could be punishable by some years in prison.
0:30:04 > 0:30:07- What year is this?- '32.
0:30:07 > 0:30:10Oh. So she WAS still married.
0:30:10 > 0:30:14Because supposedly my grandfather didn't divorce her until after...
0:30:14 > 0:30:19until after this meeting at the World's Fair, which was '39.
0:30:19 > 0:30:22- Oh.- So...
0:30:22 > 0:30:23Who knows?
0:30:23 > 0:30:28- Probably she, in her mind, she was divorced.- Right.
0:30:28 > 0:30:31Well, in many ways, your grandmother was ahead of the curve.
0:30:31 > 0:30:33I believe it indicates here that he's Jewish.
0:30:33 > 0:30:35And she was Roman Catholic.
0:30:35 > 0:30:40Even in the show business world, the mixed marriage was a bit risky to do.
0:30:40 > 0:30:42That was a mixed marriage definitely in those days.
0:30:42 > 0:30:44- Yeah. Mixed marriage.- Yeah.
0:30:44 > 0:30:48And I think, as we look at her life overall, she was taking risks,
0:30:48 > 0:30:53- Seemed to be very capable and to... - Rather unorthodox?- Yeah.
0:30:53 > 0:30:56I like that.
0:30:56 > 0:31:01Well, that was interesting. So she married, not divorced,
0:31:01 > 0:31:04but married again, and to Ben Kahn.
0:31:04 > 0:31:09So now we could find out what happened to her as Anita Kahn.
0:31:12 > 0:31:18Susan's son Miles has joined her at the New York Library's Milstein division of history and genealogy.
0:31:22 > 0:31:24- City directories?- This way...
0:31:24 > 0:31:30She hopes the city directories will tell her where Anita went to live with her new husband, Ben Kahn.
0:31:33 > 0:31:34OK, so we're looking for
0:31:34 > 0:31:40- Mr and Mrs Benjamin Kahn or Ben Kahn. - So, K.
0:31:40 > 0:31:45K-A-H-N. They got married in '32.
0:31:45 > 0:31:48Thank God you have good eyesight. Look at this print. It's crazy.
0:31:48 > 0:31:52- Here we go. Benjamin.- J...K...A...
0:31:52 > 0:31:55Kahn, here we go. So, Benjamin, A...
0:31:55 > 0:31:59Benjamin, Benjamin. Oh, salesman.
0:31:59 > 0:32:01- He said he's on 74th.- 74th.
0:32:01 > 0:32:04- All right.- All right, wait a minute.
0:32:04 > 0:32:09So that's a salesman, but there's no Anita. So let's look up Anita Kahn.
0:32:09 > 0:32:11Anita. In this directory?
0:32:11 > 0:32:14Anita, Mrs Anita. This is Anita.
0:32:14 > 0:32:16- You think that's it? - Mrs Anita Kahn.
0:32:16 > 0:32:17That would have to be her.
0:32:17 > 0:32:21All right, so that's West 78th. Was this guy on West 78th?
0:32:21 > 0:32:24I'm going blind, this is the smallest print...
0:32:26 > 0:32:30So if that's them, that would mean that a year after they got married,
0:32:30 > 0:32:36- they were already separated and she's on 78th street but being called Mrs and he's...- Yeah.
0:32:36 > 0:32:40Also on the Upper West Side but not together.
0:32:40 > 0:32:47OK, so, now that we're blinded by the small print and these directories run out, the next thing is,
0:32:47 > 0:32:50I need you to help me look on the...
0:32:50 > 0:32:53- On the internets?- Yes. - The system of tubes?
0:32:53 > 0:32:56The one solid piece of information that I have about Anita
0:32:56 > 0:32:59is her birth date, March 9, 1907.
0:32:59 > 0:33:01That might be enough for us to track down
0:33:01 > 0:33:04a death record for Anita.
0:33:04 > 0:33:07Anita Kahn, K-A-H-N.
0:33:10 > 0:33:13- And...- Birth year?
0:33:13 > 0:33:141907.
0:33:17 > 0:33:211907 is the 18th of July, so that doesn't match up.
0:33:21 > 0:33:27So she's ALIVE! A hundred and something years old!
0:33:27 > 0:33:31- Oh, sorry, it's a library! - Yeah, come on, shush!
0:33:31 > 0:33:35So what else... Um, we can look under Rigali.
0:33:35 > 0:33:37Maybe she went back to her...
0:33:37 > 0:33:40If we just do it without a last name, I think it'll be fine.
0:33:40 > 0:33:42- We'll find something else.- OK.
0:33:42 > 0:33:45Well, we're looking for March 9, 1907.
0:33:45 > 0:33:49- Do you have that?- March 9, 1907.
0:33:51 > 0:33:56- Waah! You'll make me throw up, stop going so fast.- I'm going back up.
0:33:56 > 0:34:00- It's OK.- Anita Fiorentino.- Uh-huh.
0:34:00 > 0:34:05- But there's more.- When did she die?
0:34:05 > 0:34:09- 1984.- Oh, my gosh.
0:34:09 > 0:34:14- It says Garnerville, Rockland, New York.- Does it say anything else about...?- About her? No.
0:34:14 > 0:34:20- Do you know where Rockland is? - Rockland county is, you know, about an hour or so out of New York.
0:34:23 > 0:34:26OK, you have to do your homework now! HE LAUGHS
0:34:26 > 0:34:31I'm really excited because we're going to Rockland County and that way
0:34:31 > 0:34:35maybe I'll be able to tell if Anita Fiorentino is our Anita.
0:34:39 > 0:34:44If my grandmother was only an hour away from me for most of my life, I'll be shocked.
0:34:44 > 0:34:48Susan's come to the New City Library at Rockland.
0:34:48 > 0:34:53She needs to confirm that Anita Fiorentino is definitely her grandmother.
0:34:53 > 0:34:56So she's looking through the obituary records.
0:34:56 > 0:34:57Stop, stop, stop!
0:34:57 > 0:34:59No, no, stop!
0:34:59 > 0:35:01Oh...
0:35:05 > 0:35:06Oops.
0:35:10 > 0:35:13"Anita Fiorentino died Monday at her home
0:35:13 > 0:35:17"at 9 Captain Shankey Drive in Garnerville.
0:35:17 > 0:35:25"She was 71. She had lived in Garnerville for the past 35 years.
0:35:25 > 0:35:28"She was a daughter of..."
0:35:28 > 0:35:33Yes! "Mansueto and Angelina Rigali, who are both deceased." Yes! That's her.
0:35:33 > 0:35:38"Mrs Fiorentino is survived by her husband, "Dominic, of the home address."
0:35:38 > 0:35:42"Services and internment are to be private and at the family's convenience."
0:35:42 > 0:35:45So I guess she didn't have any other children.
0:35:45 > 0:35:47Well, she stayed with him for 35 years.
0:35:47 > 0:35:50That's pretty good, pretty stable.
0:35:50 > 0:35:53She was "born in Manhattan on March 9, 1913."
0:35:53 > 0:35:58But she was actually born 1907.
0:35:58 > 0:36:04So she's taken... She's discounting her early years
0:36:04 > 0:36:06where all her secrets are, Anita.
0:36:06 > 0:36:08Wow.
0:36:12 > 0:36:15I'm in my grandmother's old neighbourhood.
0:36:15 > 0:36:18This is the house where she lived.
0:36:25 > 0:36:26No-one in.
0:36:27 > 0:36:31I'll canvass the neighbourhood and see if there's a neighbour who might remember Anita.
0:36:31 > 0:36:34This neighbour wasn't comfortable talking on camera,
0:36:34 > 0:36:36but she did know Anita very well
0:36:36 > 0:36:39and shared lots of information.
0:36:39 > 0:36:41She said they were very shocked when she passed away
0:36:41 > 0:36:44because they didn't think she was sick at all.
0:36:44 > 0:36:47So she must have been pretty spry. She had a garden out the back.
0:36:47 > 0:36:49She had a dog named Spunky.
0:36:49 > 0:36:55She had talked about being a dancer. Had done something else in clubs, but she's not quite sure what.
0:36:55 > 0:36:57And she mentioned Frank Sinatra a lot.
0:36:57 > 0:37:00She said that Frank came up very often in conversations.
0:37:00 > 0:37:03That Anita had said that she got him his start.
0:37:03 > 0:37:05She said that repeatedly.
0:37:05 > 0:37:09I love that it was Frank Sinatra because my mom was obsessed with Frank Sinatra,
0:37:09 > 0:37:12and I met Frank Sinatra when I was doing Atlantic City.
0:37:12 > 0:37:14Burt Lancaster introduced him to me,
0:37:14 > 0:37:16and he was a little flirtatious.
0:37:16 > 0:37:19So maybe I had some Anita vibe that he responded to.
0:37:19 > 0:37:21I don't know.
0:37:21 > 0:37:23Thanks for that information.
0:37:23 > 0:37:25I'm really excited because Anita's husband Dom
0:37:25 > 0:37:28has some nieces that live somewhere in the neighbourhood,
0:37:28 > 0:37:31and I think they know quite a bit.
0:37:31 > 0:37:36We still have nothing except that distorted, freaky picture at the World's Fair.
0:37:36 > 0:37:38We don't really know what she looked like,
0:37:38 > 0:37:42one distorted photo and one laminated, wrinkled photo,
0:37:42 > 0:37:44and that's it, so I'm really hoping
0:37:44 > 0:37:46that they have some photos for us.
0:37:46 > 0:37:49Anita's been such a mystery.
0:37:49 > 0:37:51If anyone can shed some light as to who she was,
0:37:51 > 0:37:55I'm hoping it's her nieces.
0:37:55 > 0:37:58We're about to meet for the first time.
0:37:58 > 0:38:03This should be surprising for all of us.
0:38:05 > 0:38:06Hi.
0:38:06 > 0:38:08- BOTH: Hi!- Hi, I understand...
0:38:08 > 0:38:11Oh, my God.
0:38:11 > 0:38:13Hi. Thanks for talking to me.
0:38:13 > 0:38:16Oh, it's our pleasure.
0:38:16 > 0:38:18- If you can tell me anything.- We can.
0:38:18 > 0:38:20Oh, yes! SHE SQUEALS
0:38:25 > 0:38:28You had no idea that she had had any children?
0:38:28 > 0:38:29None.
0:38:29 > 0:38:31But she...they had no kids together?
0:38:31 > 0:38:32They had no kids together. No.
0:38:32 > 0:38:36My grandfather moved in next-door, and he was 19.
0:38:36 > 0:38:38And she got pregnant at 12.
0:38:38 > 0:38:40Oh, my God.
0:38:40 > 0:38:42And then the second time, like, a year later.
0:38:42 > 0:38:45And she got married at, you know, six months pregnant.
0:38:45 > 0:38:49And then we lost track of her. I don't even know what happened to her.
0:38:49 > 0:38:52Our uncle Dom, we had heard, met her in the city.
0:38:52 > 0:38:55He was in the coast guard
0:38:55 > 0:38:58and, I guess, off on leave and met her probably,
0:38:58 > 0:39:01we heard, at one of the clubs in the city.
0:39:01 > 0:39:03So they stayed together for a long time.
0:39:03 > 0:39:04They must have been pretty happy.
0:39:04 > 0:39:07Oh, yeah. It was a good marriage.
0:39:07 > 0:39:09Did she talk to you about Frank Sinatra?
0:39:09 > 0:39:14I remember vague conversations with her when I was really little
0:39:14 > 0:39:18of her telling me about something and going, "I used to..."
0:39:18 > 0:39:21And that's all I remember.
0:39:21 > 0:39:23Her hands were always going.
0:39:23 > 0:39:27- So she was very vibrant and Italian and very...- Very!
0:39:27 > 0:39:32She was a bigger personality out of the two. Uncle Dom was quiet.
0:39:32 > 0:39:34In fact, she knocked my tooth out when I was a little girl.
0:39:34 > 0:39:38I was sitting next to her and she was talking...
0:39:38 > 0:39:41And my teeth were loose and she...did one of her things and
0:39:41 > 0:39:45the tooth was hanging and someone had to pull it out.
0:39:45 > 0:39:49- She must've loved having you guys around.- Yeah.
0:39:49 > 0:39:53I can see the smile on her face.
0:39:53 > 0:39:56- Do you have pictures?- Yeah.
0:39:56 > 0:39:58Oh! We've been so hoping we would see pictures.
0:39:58 > 0:40:02Well, here you go. This is me, actually. She's holding me in that picture.
0:40:02 > 0:40:03Oh, wow.
0:40:06 > 0:40:09Ah! Anita.
0:40:10 > 0:40:12This is uncle Donny.
0:40:12 > 0:40:14Oh. Whoa, handsome.
0:40:14 > 0:40:16He was very, very handsome.
0:40:16 > 0:40:18Um, he looked a lot like Tony Curtis. Really.
0:40:19 > 0:40:22And... Oh, wow.
0:40:22 > 0:40:24This is a sketch of her.
0:40:24 > 0:40:28GASPS: Now, see, that looks like my family.
0:40:28 > 0:40:29Oh, my God. That's totally...
0:40:29 > 0:40:31That could be you.
0:40:31 > 0:40:34- That's so weird. - It could. That's what I mean.
0:40:34 > 0:40:36- Oh! Oh, my God.- Pretty scary.
0:40:36 > 0:40:39I think I played that part in...
0:40:39 > 0:40:42Front page, I think. Look, look...
0:40:47 > 0:40:49- That is so strange.- It is.
0:40:49 > 0:40:55Oh, my gosh. I guess she was early twenties...before she got married.
0:40:55 > 0:40:59She could've been younger or...
0:40:59 > 0:41:02- I think she probably looked always younger than she was.- Mm-hm.
0:41:02 > 0:41:06- By the way she...- She certainly did when she got older.
0:41:06 > 0:41:11- Except when she was 12! She obviously looked older!- Yeah.
0:41:11 > 0:41:13- I don't remember her ever looking old.- Yeah?
0:41:13 > 0:41:16Thank you, guys, so much.
0:41:16 > 0:41:20- It's been a pleasure.- How weird, huh? To find out all this stuff...
0:41:20 > 0:41:26It's strange. It makes me sad that we got to know her and you didn't.
0:41:26 > 0:41:31- Sounds like she had a very nice last 35 years.- She did, I think.
0:41:31 > 0:41:36On one hand, I wish I had been able to tell Anita
0:41:36 > 0:41:38that, you know, my mom's OK,
0:41:38 > 0:41:42and that she has, you know, a million grandchildren.
0:41:42 > 0:41:45Although maybe it was better for her that we didn't find her,
0:41:45 > 0:41:47maybe that would've been just way too much upset for her.
0:41:47 > 0:41:49But somehow I kind of wish that
0:41:49 > 0:41:54she'd known that she was watching her granddaughter, if she ever went to a film.
0:41:58 > 0:42:04I love the fact that Anita who had this tough life and who everyone's been vilifying forever and a day,
0:42:04 > 0:42:10ended up with this handsome guy and this nice little house with her Spunky dog,
0:42:10 > 0:42:14and her garden and she seems to have been fun-loving
0:42:14 > 0:42:18and everybody liked her and she had a much more...
0:42:18 > 0:42:22kind of, safe existence than the way she started.
0:42:22 > 0:42:28With all of this having to grow up so quickly, the poverty and sickness and loss.
0:42:28 > 0:42:34Just being abandoned, abandoned. 35 years is pretty good with one person.
0:42:34 > 0:42:39And we don't even know if they were married, which I rest my case!
0:42:39 > 0:42:44But I think that's fabulous that she found this guy and it sounds like got a club,
0:42:44 > 0:42:52and they depict her as somebody that was gesturing a lot and full of life and he was the quiet one.
0:42:52 > 0:42:56Maybe she finally figured it out. And I'm really happy for her.