Roger: Genocide Baby

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0:00:02 > 0:00:05This programme contains scenes which some viewers may find disturbing.

0:00:05 > 0:00:09Roger Nsengiyumva is a rising star. He's only 16 and lives with his mum.

0:00:09 > 0:00:12But he's already got one big movie credit to his name.

0:00:12 > 0:00:16So it's either all of us or none of us. We're a team.

0:00:16 > 0:00:20- Roger has grown up in England. - I shouldn't really be here.

0:00:20 > 0:00:23I'm only really here because of what my mum did for me.

0:00:23 > 0:00:27But he was born in Rwanda during one of the bloodiest episodes in

0:00:27 > 0:00:31human history, when one tribe attempted to wipe out another.

0:00:31 > 0:00:35Roger's dad was murdered, one of a million casualties.

0:00:35 > 0:00:40But his mum survived, hiding her genocide baby from the death squads for weeks on end.

0:00:40 > 0:00:46If anyone read that their mum went through 100 days looking after them

0:00:46 > 0:00:50in complete horror, I'm sure anyone would feel, like, complete admiration.

0:00:52 > 0:00:54Now Roger's going back to Rwanda,

0:00:57 > 0:01:00to see for himself the horror he was too young to remember.

0:01:00 > 0:01:03If you're told to kill someone on the street

0:01:03 > 0:01:06and it's because they're a Tutsi, I can't understand that.

0:01:06 > 0:01:09To draw comfort from fellow survivors.

0:01:09 > 0:01:12He will see you like his son.

0:01:16 > 0:01:19And come face to face with the killers.

0:01:20 > 0:01:24I mean I hate to say it but I'd love to see them in body bags.

0:01:24 > 0:01:27It's horrible, I know what I'm saying is horrible, but that's the truth.

0:01:27 > 0:01:30Rwanda is recovering from genocide,

0:01:30 > 0:01:34but can Roger forgive the men who killed his dad?

0:01:34 > 0:01:38I hate to use the word revenge, but that's how I'm feeling at the moment.

0:01:43 > 0:01:46HE RAPS: I'm the man of the hour,

0:01:46 > 0:01:49I got swagger like Austin Powers.

0:01:49 > 0:01:53Roger's got the world at his feet.

0:01:53 > 0:01:58Already a successful actor and now an aspiring rapper.

0:01:58 > 0:01:59If I ever got cold feet,

0:01:59 > 0:02:03Tell them break the ice like a turtle on a British beach.

0:02:05 > 0:02:08But it's the past that intrigues his mates.

0:02:08 > 0:02:12The story of the Rwandan genocide in 1994.

0:02:12 > 0:02:16In Britain, people don't really know about the genocide, do they?

0:02:16 > 0:02:19Especially not people our age? I know we didn't before we met you.

0:02:19 > 0:02:21If you can explain like to me,

0:02:21 > 0:02:25what actually is the Rwandan genocide, what happens?

0:02:25 > 0:02:30I've actually got some footage here, quite hard hitting stuff.

0:02:30 > 0:02:32Let me give you a quick...

0:02:35 > 0:02:40This one, this one's a bit hard, hard hitting, so...

0:02:40 > 0:02:44'As we approached the church, Frank became silent.

0:02:44 > 0:02:46'He'd been here before and knew what lay ahead.

0:02:48 > 0:02:52'I had seen war before, had seen the face of cruelty,

0:02:52 > 0:02:55'but it belonged in a nightmare zone, where my capacity

0:02:55 > 0:02:58'to understand, to rationalise, was overwhelmed.'

0:03:06 > 0:03:10- Is that a person?- Yes, it's a person, it's a real person.

0:03:12 > 0:03:14'The victims, all of them Tutsis,

0:03:14 > 0:03:18'had gone to the church in search of sanctuary.

0:03:18 > 0:03:21'Instead the house of God became a killing ground.

0:03:23 > 0:03:27'You don't just see death here, you feel it and you smell it.

0:03:29 > 0:03:32'In a classroom, a mother and her children made easy targets.'

0:03:46 > 0:03:49- You know, we saw a kid on that, didn't we, you saw the kid?- Yeah.

0:03:49 > 0:03:51Yes, easily could've been me.

0:03:51 > 0:03:53I mean, this is quite hard,

0:03:53 > 0:03:55because you just see things like this in movies.

0:03:55 > 0:03:58But trying to imagine that in real life is...

0:03:58 > 0:04:03Personally from that, yeah, it would take me at least a long time to forgive,

0:04:03 > 0:04:06cos that looked like a woman and a child.

0:04:06 > 0:04:10- It was, yeah.- That's horrible to watch, to be honest.

0:04:10 > 0:04:12I expected a reaction from my friends,

0:04:12 > 0:04:15but that was, that really hit home.

0:04:15 > 0:04:21I mean, it wasn't 40 years back, this was 16 years ago.

0:04:22 > 0:04:25If he forgives, then that would be amazing,

0:04:25 > 0:04:28but if he doesn't forgive, that will sort of still be like,

0:04:28 > 0:04:30that's fair enough, I can see why you don't forgive.

0:04:30 > 0:04:33He'd be a strong boy if he did forgive.

0:04:39 > 0:04:43After the genocide, Roger and his mum, Illuminee,

0:04:43 > 0:04:46escaped to Norwich where they set up a memorial to his father.

0:04:58 > 0:05:03When we used to come here, I was always really silent,

0:05:03 > 0:05:06so this is a first actually.

0:05:09 > 0:05:12They don't actually know where he's buried.

0:05:12 > 0:05:15Seven years ago, they went back to Rwanda to find out.

0:05:17 > 0:05:21They'd use machetes to cut someone up.

0:05:21 > 0:05:25And a club to whack them around the head.

0:05:25 > 0:05:29It makes me feel really angry. That's all I can really say.

0:05:36 > 0:05:41And it was on that visit, that Illuminee made a remarkable admission.

0:05:47 > 0:05:50So now Roger is returning to the land of his birth,

0:05:50 > 0:05:52to find out how Rwanda has recovered

0:05:52 > 0:05:56and to work out whether forgiveness is for him.

0:05:59 > 0:06:06This is Mum's diary about the events, what happened, what she saw,

0:06:06 > 0:06:07what she heard.

0:06:09 > 0:06:12"We were woken by the sound of gunfire.

0:06:12 > 0:06:16"People were screaming for their lives as they were savagely cut down.

0:06:16 > 0:06:19"Roger was born after 20 hours labour.

0:06:19 > 0:06:21"I was so lonely, I wanted to die.

0:06:21 > 0:06:23"I asked him to kill me.

0:06:23 > 0:06:27"Anything but rape. He cocked the pistol and fired.

0:06:27 > 0:06:31"There was a click, but no bang. He'd run out of bullets.

0:06:53 > 0:06:56My mum's forgiven, like, all what happened to her

0:06:56 > 0:07:01and it's taken her time, but she's now moved on from what happened.

0:07:01 > 0:07:07So, I'm still kind of unsure really, as to forgiving

0:07:07 > 0:07:10and not forgiving, but I know eventually,

0:07:10 > 0:07:15eventually I do want to just rest my hand and, yeah, I've forgiven everything.

0:07:15 > 0:07:17But, I'm still in the middle, man.

0:07:19 > 0:07:21Hi, how are you doing?

0:07:21 > 0:07:27It's Roger here with a quick video, the night before I leave.

0:07:27 > 0:07:31Now packing my bags, let's have a look at my bag situation.

0:07:31 > 0:07:37Right, I've got some nice cotton rich socks.

0:07:37 > 0:07:41If you haven't got cotton rich socks then I don't know what your game is.

0:07:41 > 0:07:42You must have seriously...

0:07:42 > 0:07:45In Rwanda it doesn't rain a lot

0:07:45 > 0:07:48but when it does, you're going to know about it.

0:07:48 > 0:07:51So, a raincoat is essential.

0:07:51 > 0:07:54Mum, I still have yet to hear from you.

0:07:54 > 0:07:56What do you think about my journey?

0:07:56 > 0:08:02It's good, you're going to learn more, but I will miss you.

0:08:02 > 0:08:07I'm excited, as you would be, going to see,

0:08:07 > 0:08:11going to see some nice weather, it's Rwanda.

0:08:11 > 0:08:17At the same time, pretty nervous, pretty nervous.

0:08:17 > 0:08:23Going to meet quite a few people that are going to make me think about forgiveness,

0:08:23 > 0:08:28and just how life is in Rwanda day to day really,

0:08:28 > 0:08:30because I haven't seen a lot of that.

0:08:30 > 0:08:32Good night, I'm tired.

0:08:32 > 0:08:37All right, cheers, see you at the airport.

0:08:38 > 0:08:41# I'm coming home

0:08:41 > 0:08:42# I'm coming home

0:08:42 > 0:08:47# Tell the world I'm coming home. #

0:08:47 > 0:08:524,000 odd miles, I don't know how many hours.

0:08:52 > 0:08:54Easily a day, we had a delay at London.

0:08:56 > 0:09:00Rwanda is the size of Wales,

0:09:00 > 0:09:02but with 8 million people,

0:09:02 > 0:09:06it's one of the most densely populated countries in the world.

0:09:07 > 0:09:14Wow! Here we are, ha-ha-ha, finally in Kigali, yes, yes, boss.

0:09:21 > 0:09:24Eustache, is Roger's mum's brother and his favourite uncle.

0:09:24 > 0:09:27# Let the rain wash away

0:09:27 > 0:09:30# All the pain of yesterday

0:09:30 > 0:09:33# I know my kingdom awaits

0:09:33 > 0:09:35# They've forgiven my mistakes

0:09:35 > 0:09:37# I'm coming home

0:09:37 > 0:09:39# Coming home

0:09:39 > 0:09:43# Tell the world that I'm coming home. #

0:09:47 > 0:09:50It's nice to see you again.

0:09:50 > 0:09:55- It's all the same. - Yes, no change, you know.

0:09:55 > 0:09:58Eustache lost members of his own family.

0:09:58 > 0:10:01But all 50 of Roger's dad's family were wiped out.

0:10:46 > 0:10:48It's a very important time for Rwanda,

0:10:48 > 0:10:51the 17th anniversary of the genocide.

0:10:51 > 0:10:56There's a week of national events, ending with a remembrance concert.

0:10:56 > 0:10:59Thank you, guys.

0:11:24 > 0:11:26So they teach reconciliation,

0:11:26 > 0:11:30and they talk about the genocide in their song.

0:11:30 > 0:11:33It's not any old concert.

0:11:33 > 0:11:39It's a very important concert about genocide. Is this it, this one?

0:11:41 > 0:11:43And she's the person?

0:11:54 > 0:11:59- Is she really popular here?- Yes, yes, she's really popular.- OK, yeah.

0:11:59 > 0:12:02I need to meet her.

0:12:02 > 0:12:06She says her favourite place is 'Schokola' so...

0:12:14 > 0:12:17In Remembrance week, Rwandans reflect on the slaughter

0:12:17 > 0:12:20of the one million people from the Tutsi tribe,

0:12:20 > 0:12:25victims of the extremists from their rival tribe, the Hutu.

0:12:26 > 0:12:29Genocide is defined as the extermination of a race.

0:12:29 > 0:12:34In Rwanda, over half the Tutsi tribe were killed in 100 days.

0:12:36 > 0:12:41That's six people every minute, of every hour, of every day.

0:12:54 > 0:12:56Inside Kigali's national stadium,

0:12:56 > 0:12:59the first memorial event is getting underway.

0:13:18 > 0:13:20Within minutes, the grief is overwhelming.

0:13:23 > 0:13:30Today, I came to say, your memory lives with my spirit.

0:13:30 > 0:13:33That your picture is still drawn on my heart.

0:13:33 > 0:13:37"Time heals all wounds," they say.

0:13:37 > 0:13:41But there will never come a day

0:13:41 > 0:13:44when I don't miss seeing your smiling face.

0:13:46 > 0:13:48It's just happening everywhere.

0:14:04 > 0:14:06WOMAN SINGS

0:14:08 > 0:14:10PEOPLE SCREAM

0:14:23 > 0:14:28# We all need to fight. #

0:14:30 > 0:14:31It may be 17 years on,

0:14:31 > 0:14:35but for everyone in Rwanda, the pain is just as raw.

0:14:49 > 0:14:54- This is where Mum and Dad got married, yeah?- Yes.

0:14:54 > 0:14:59The wedding of Roger's parents took place four days before the start of the genocide.

0:15:04 > 0:15:08Picture a flag basically, just wearing a flag,

0:15:08 > 0:15:12just like really colourful, got flowers on it and stuff.

0:15:12 > 0:15:14Yes, I've seen her wearing it before. It's really nice.

0:15:14 > 0:15:16I've kind of got a picture of how it was.

0:15:32 > 0:15:35- Did Dad drink some beer?- Yeah.

0:15:42 > 0:15:45"Our wedding was a wonderful occasion.

0:15:45 > 0:15:47"I was very happy and wore a white dress

0:15:47 > 0:15:50"even though I was eight months pregnant.

0:15:50 > 0:15:53"John looked so handsome in his black suit.

0:15:53 > 0:15:58"At last, I thought, all the people I love are happy together and under one roof.

0:15:58 > 0:16:00"Lot's of John's friends, both Hutu and Tutsi,

0:16:00 > 0:16:03"joined us and drank to our future happiness."

0:16:08 > 0:16:10But many of those so-called friends were Hutus,

0:16:10 > 0:16:15and one month later, they would hunt down and kill Roger's dad.

0:16:20 > 0:16:23What happened was nice, you know, marriage and everything, but...

0:16:26 > 0:16:30he's not here, so it's not nice to look back on.

0:16:30 > 0:16:35So, yeah, I'm not allowed to swear, am I?

0:16:35 > 0:16:37No?

0:16:37 > 0:16:39I'm tempted.

0:16:39 > 0:16:42No, it's not nice, mate, not at all.

0:16:45 > 0:16:51Next stop is to find out how the younger generation has coped with so much loss.

0:16:51 > 0:16:56Last night became quite clear to me how important this week is for Rwandans.

0:16:56 > 0:17:00So, today we're on our way to meet Miss JoJo,

0:17:00 > 0:17:03which should be very exciting.

0:17:03 > 0:17:05She's obviously a very influential person.

0:17:08 > 0:17:13Not only is Miss JoJo famous, she's also a Tutsi like Roger

0:17:13 > 0:17:16and another survivor of the genocide.

0:17:16 > 0:17:19She's seen stuff and now she can tell the world about it,

0:17:19 > 0:17:23so it'll be really interesting to have a conversation with her

0:17:23 > 0:17:26and talk to her about stuff, so, let's go, let's see her, Schokola!

0:17:32 > 0:17:39- Hey, how you doing? - Hey.- Nice to meet you.

0:17:39 > 0:17:43I was looking forward to seeing you, welcome.

0:17:43 > 0:17:46I've heard too much, too much. I had to come and meet you.

0:17:46 > 0:17:50At the age of just 11, Miss JoJo witnessed her mother's murder.

0:18:04 > 0:18:05The sin, as in...?

0:18:42 > 0:18:46- You must have been so scared. - Of course, I mean, I was like...

0:18:55 > 0:19:01In terms of forgiveness, I said I was in the middle. How do you feel?

0:19:22 > 0:19:24So, I've arrived at quite a special time of year.

0:19:24 > 0:19:27What does this concert mean to people?

0:19:27 > 0:19:31What do you do in the concert other than just the music?

0:19:58 > 0:20:00- Yeah, I'd love that.- Really? - Yeah, honestly.

0:20:13 > 0:20:15Yes, I'm very excited now!

0:20:15 > 0:20:19I just wanted to know if you were excited about it or just cool.

0:20:19 > 0:20:22- It's cool, yeah?- Mmm, very cool. - You going to make it.

0:20:24 > 0:20:27- Is that them now? - Yeah, this is them.

0:20:27 > 0:20:29- This is one of the best studios we have.- OK.

0:20:31 > 0:20:33There's a growing hip-hop scene in Rwanda

0:20:33 > 0:20:35and music is overcoming tribal hatred.

0:20:35 > 0:20:38HE RAPS IN OWN DIALECT

0:20:46 > 0:20:49Wow! That's a remix, isn't it?

0:20:49 > 0:20:54- What were your lyrics just now, what were they about?- Street kid.

0:20:54 > 0:20:58- Street kid?- Yeah. Just street life, you know.

0:20:58 > 0:21:01- He does hip-hop.- You do hip-hop? - Mmm-hmm.

0:21:01 > 0:21:06- Yeah. You could give them some. - Do some free style.- Free style?

0:21:06 > 0:21:09Yeah, some free style, man, do something.

0:21:09 > 0:21:14- You're putting me on the spot. - Sing anything, we just want to hear you.- OK.

0:21:14 > 0:21:17You have to put Ryder in the zone.

0:21:17 > 0:21:19So if I do something and then Ryder spits something.

0:21:19 > 0:21:20OK, no problem.

0:21:23 > 0:21:25I'm going to do some old stuff, man.

0:21:29 > 0:21:36Ryder. Miss JoJo. The Brain.

0:21:36 > 0:21:39# Guess I'm way too fresh for the other side

0:21:39 > 0:21:41# I am king, only crowns in my blood lines

0:21:41 > 0:21:44# A-class genes, so yes, in my blood tie

0:21:44 > 0:21:47# Pitting every shade of green light till I get right

0:21:47 > 0:21:50# Right, and we ain't even made it yet

0:21:50 > 0:21:53# Three laps, check it, we don't even take a break

0:21:53 > 0:21:58# School kids on a who kid, says a street kid, pass it to the kid. #

0:22:00 > 0:22:02HE RAPS IN OWN DIALECT

0:22:19 > 0:22:24- I was feeling that. - You should do one.

0:22:24 > 0:22:30You can use music to heal people and to move on, too.

0:22:30 > 0:22:31People need to understand that.

0:22:31 > 0:22:35Yeah, I think that nothing can be done without music.

0:22:35 > 0:22:39Music is everywhere, it's something which goes like, it's like breath,

0:22:39 > 0:22:42you know, breath is everywhere, in the air...

0:22:42 > 0:22:47When people are crying, they use music. When people are laughing, they use music.

0:22:47 > 0:22:48OH!

0:22:52 > 0:22:53What's up, man?

0:22:53 > 0:22:56One of Roger's best friends lives in Kigali.

0:22:56 > 0:22:59Yves Dusenge has just heard his mate's in town.

0:23:01 > 0:23:03I came to show you around town.

0:23:03 > 0:23:08- Yo, man.- You grow taller every day. - Aw, man, this is crazy!

0:23:11 > 0:23:16They became firm friends on the set of Africa United.

0:23:19 > 0:23:22When's the next bus we're getting?

0:23:24 > 0:23:28Together, they want to explore the life they might have shared

0:23:28 > 0:23:32if it wasn't for the genocide.

0:23:36 > 0:23:38- Here we are.- Yeah.

0:23:44 > 0:23:49- This is the place, yeah?- Yeah. This is where my mum grew up.

0:23:49 > 0:23:52She talks about it in here, man.

0:23:52 > 0:23:55Let's go and greet some people up there.

0:23:58 > 0:24:02Life in rural Africa is a far cry from England.

0:24:02 > 0:24:07It's weird to think that she'd be in this sort of environment.

0:24:08 > 0:24:15This is so different to back home, but my mum's more surprised...

0:24:15 > 0:24:18She was more surprised when we moved to Norwich really, you know.

0:24:18 > 0:24:22She always had like two coats on and stuff like that.

0:24:22 > 0:24:26I'm telling that you just come to greet them and visit them.

0:24:26 > 0:24:29Can you tell them I'm really, like,

0:24:29 > 0:24:32I really want to see where my mum got her water and stuff like that,

0:24:32 > 0:24:35because she talks about it quite a lot in here.

0:24:35 > 0:24:38HE SPEAKS IN LOCAL DIALECT

0:24:40 > 0:24:42He doesn't look too happy. THEY LAUGH

0:24:43 > 0:24:49We're dragging this poor guy out. He doesn't even need to get water today. But it's all good.

0:24:49 > 0:24:53So we're filling everything up and carrying it.

0:24:53 > 0:24:57What about, I've seen some guys with trolleys.

0:24:57 > 0:25:01- No, we carry them by hand. - THEY LAUGH

0:25:02 > 0:25:04OK, let's go, let's go.

0:25:04 > 0:25:07How old are you?

0:25:10 > 0:25:15- 20 years old? For real, you're 20 years old?- Uh-huh.- Damn!

0:25:23 > 0:25:25The amazing thing about this friendship

0:25:25 > 0:25:28is that is rises above tribal differences.

0:25:28 > 0:25:34Roger, a Tutsi, Yves, a Hutu - the tribe who killed his dad.

0:25:34 > 0:25:39Tutsi may be tall, quite slim.

0:25:39 > 0:25:42The head shape might be quite thin like mine is,

0:25:42 > 0:25:48nose might be small, and Hutu perceived to be quite stocky.

0:25:48 > 0:25:54I don't feel anger towards my generation of Hutus

0:25:54 > 0:25:57because we were babies when this happened.

0:25:57 > 0:26:02So I don't think, you know, mine and Yves' generation

0:26:02 > 0:26:06should feel any guilt to what happened because of their tribe

0:26:06 > 0:26:11and at the same time, you know, I shouldn't feel any anger towards

0:26:11 > 0:26:14people of my generation who are Hutus because we were just babies, man.

0:26:14 > 0:26:21It's just, it's up to us now, so I try to do something here,

0:26:21 > 0:26:25I am trying to build something better, something good.

0:26:29 > 0:26:32Yves, man, we've got issues.

0:26:32 > 0:26:36Look at my shoes. I should have come in something more humble, man.

0:26:38 > 0:26:41- Humble?- Yeah, man. - You can remove them.

0:26:41 > 0:26:44I think both of us don't fit in at all, man.

0:26:44 > 0:26:46We don't fit in at all today, man.

0:26:46 > 0:26:48So let's just remove our shoes.

0:26:50 > 0:26:51Then we'll just look crazy.

0:26:51 > 0:26:56"Who are these guys coming into our place and whipping their shoes off?"

0:26:56 > 0:27:01We'll see if I get laughed at. Oh, OK.

0:27:01 > 0:27:04It's not that bad but carrying this for...

0:27:04 > 0:27:08Do you reckon my mum had the same jerry can, this size?

0:27:08 > 0:27:12- Yeah, I think so.- So what's the traditional way of carrying this?

0:27:12 > 0:27:13Do I put it on my shoulder?

0:27:14 > 0:27:16Yo, this is a new walk!

0:27:16 > 0:27:18You'll have kids in England

0:27:18 > 0:27:22that are going to be walking around like this soon, watch.

0:27:22 > 0:27:24It's the new dance.

0:27:24 > 0:27:26LAUGHTER

0:27:30 > 0:27:32MUSIC: "Paper Planes" by MIA

0:27:32 > 0:27:35# I fly like paper Get high like planes

0:27:35 > 0:27:38# If you catch me at the border I got visas in my name

0:27:38 > 0:27:41# If you come around here I make 'em all day... #

0:27:41 > 0:27:46Back in Kigali, Yves knows what it takes to be cool in today's Rwanda.

0:27:51 > 0:27:54Yo, man, this is perfect for you(!)

0:27:54 > 0:27:57- Yeah?- No, man. Looks good on you, man(!) Looks good on you(!)

0:27:57 > 0:28:00Whatever, whatever.

0:28:00 > 0:28:03- These are nice, what do you think? - Try these on.

0:28:03 > 0:28:05Quite a lot of people in Rwanda wear these.

0:28:05 > 0:28:09When I was little, my mum bought me a little pair, baby size.

0:28:09 > 0:28:11I miss these. I haven't had these in a while.

0:28:17 > 0:28:19That's not true, that's not true.

0:28:23 > 0:28:28Roger's beginning to feel like an outsider, an Englishman in Africa.

0:28:29 > 0:28:32Yo, man, that's not the same colour.

0:28:32 > 0:28:35I'm buying two different boots.

0:28:35 > 0:28:37He's taking me for a clown.

0:28:39 > 0:28:43- That's too much man, that's too much. - He's speaking English, so...

0:28:43 > 0:28:45If I kept quiet, if I kept quiet then...

0:28:45 > 0:28:50- Oh! Yo, man, check that out. - It's nice, yeah?

0:28:54 > 0:28:59Yo, man, let's go. Too nice. Come on, let's go.

0:29:00 > 0:29:02Good job, good job, good job.

0:29:06 > 0:29:09You've got to ask the question,

0:29:09 > 0:29:12is it, sort of like, unique that you two are friends

0:29:12 > 0:29:15and I really want to say it's not.

0:29:15 > 0:29:17Like, why should it be?

0:29:19 > 0:29:23But I don't know. I mean, I don't think so. I hope not.

0:29:23 > 0:29:27But it's definitely not a strange thing.

0:29:27 > 0:29:32It definitely doesn't feel strange that me and him...

0:29:32 > 0:29:35feel like brothers, man, so...

0:29:46 > 0:29:48Good morning to you, Kigali, how you doing?

0:29:48 > 0:29:50Hope you're good and well.

0:29:50 > 0:29:53I told you today we are hanging out with stars.

0:29:53 > 0:29:55- JoJo, Roger, what's up? - What's up, man?

0:29:55 > 0:29:59Welcome to Kigali, welcome to CFM. How does it feel to be home now?

0:29:59 > 0:30:02- This is home, right?- I was born in Kigali, this is home, man.

0:30:02 > 0:30:06So it feels good, especially being joined by my new sister,

0:30:06 > 0:30:08newly found sister.

0:30:08 > 0:30:14- JoJo, why are you here?- Me, I am hanging out with my young bro here.

0:30:14 > 0:30:18We've been with him just rediscovering Rwanda a little bit.

0:30:18 > 0:30:22- OK.- We're introducing him to the country, making him love it more.

0:30:22 > 0:30:26- OK. So, this is not the first time you've come back home.- No, it's not.

0:30:26 > 0:30:30Is there a big difference between that time you were here and now?

0:30:30 > 0:30:32In England, yeah, you speak the language

0:30:32 > 0:30:34- but you feel kind of outside. - Still left out.

0:30:34 > 0:30:38Yeah, and I came here and I still feel left out because I started talking

0:30:38 > 0:30:41and they were like, "What are you saying?"

0:30:41 > 0:30:43A song by Chris Brown called Champion,

0:30:43 > 0:30:45that's what we're going to start off right now,

0:30:45 > 0:30:48so keep it locked on 89.7 Contact FM.

0:30:52 > 0:30:58In 1994, radio in Rwanda was a much more sinister device.

0:31:17 > 0:31:21There's a history of trouble between the Hutu and Tutsi tribes,

0:31:21 > 0:31:25but things got much worse after the Hutus gained power in the 1960s.

0:31:28 > 0:31:34Tutsi fears became a reality in 1994 at a church in the village of Nyarubuye,

0:31:34 > 0:31:38where thousands sought sanctuary from the death squads.

0:31:44 > 0:31:51Ferdinand Rwakayigamba brought his wife and three children here.

0:31:51 > 0:31:54The memories of what happened next still haunt him.

0:31:58 > 0:32:01JOJO TRANSLATES: "So they started killing people here.

0:32:01 > 0:32:05"They were using everything, they were shooting with guns,

0:32:05 > 0:32:07"they were throwing grenades.

0:32:09 > 0:32:14"They were raping women and afterwards they were killing them.

0:32:18 > 0:32:22"And then if someone is wounded but is not dead,

0:32:22 > 0:32:24"they would come and find out and kill them."

0:32:24 > 0:32:28He was married, he had three kids,

0:32:28 > 0:32:34and everybody was killed in the genocide.

0:32:40 > 0:32:47In three days, 25,000 men, women and children were slaughtered here.

0:33:00 > 0:33:04Many were tortured and beaten to death with domestic tools.

0:33:09 > 0:33:13The scenes were repeated at sites all over Rwanda.

0:33:18 > 0:33:20The slaughter only came to an end

0:33:20 > 0:33:24when the killers found the stench overwhelming.

0:33:31 > 0:33:35A BBC news crew brought these horrors to the attention of the world.

0:33:36 > 0:33:40You don't just see death here - you feel it and you smell it.

0:33:40 > 0:33:44It is as if all the good and life in the atmosphere had been sucked out

0:33:44 > 0:33:46and replaced with the stench of evil.

0:34:03 > 0:34:07JOJO TRANSLATES: He goes sometimes in his room, he closes the doors,

0:34:07 > 0:34:11and everything, where nobody sees him. He cries his pain,

0:34:11 > 0:34:13- he feels bad, he feels the anger. - Yeah.

0:34:13 > 0:34:18He cries but after that, he goes out of that room, you know,

0:34:18 > 0:34:21to look for life and to take it.

0:34:21 > 0:34:26He had a kid who was six months old and Roger was born in genocide,

0:34:26 > 0:34:31so they are alike. They would be the same age today.

0:34:36 > 0:34:38You can consider him just like as your father

0:34:38 > 0:34:46because he says he looks alike. He feels like, yeah, he's like my kid.

0:34:46 > 0:34:50He will see you like his son.

0:35:17 > 0:35:23If you feel like crying, cry, because that's you.

0:35:23 > 0:35:29I don't cry though. Usually, I just don't cry.

0:35:29 > 0:35:32I told you I've never cried.

0:35:32 > 0:35:35I saw my mum falling down, I didn't cry.

0:35:35 > 0:35:41I didn't cry until the time we were burying her bones.

0:35:41 > 0:35:45The shock of Nyarubuye makes Roger's journey to forgiveness

0:35:45 > 0:35:48much harder than he first thought.

0:35:48 > 0:35:52Do you understand their way of taking life positive

0:35:52 > 0:35:55when someone has been through the kind of things they went though?

0:35:55 > 0:35:59Yeah, it's one thing understanding how they can do that

0:35:59 > 0:36:01and it's another thing actually doing it yourself.

0:36:01 > 0:36:03Yeah, exactly but...

0:36:03 > 0:36:06I can understand because I've seen my mum do it.

0:36:06 > 0:36:11But it's another thing just doing it yourself, just like actually...

0:36:11 > 0:36:14actually trying to say, OK, these bad things happen

0:36:14 > 0:36:17but I've now got a smile on my face.

0:36:21 > 0:36:22After their wedding,

0:36:22 > 0:36:26Roger's parents moved to this neighbourhood in Kigali.

0:36:27 > 0:36:30His mum was nine months pregnant.

0:36:32 > 0:36:36We're now on our way to Nyakabanda where...

0:36:36 > 0:36:40which was the place where my mum and dad had a house.

0:36:42 > 0:36:44So, the place is really personal to me

0:36:44 > 0:36:47because of what happened in '94

0:36:47 > 0:36:51and the reason why it's just me and my mum in Norwich now,

0:36:51 > 0:36:53not me, my mum and my dad.

0:37:00 > 0:37:02He's been here once before.

0:37:03 > 0:37:07This is the house where my father was killed

0:37:07 > 0:37:09when I was just 9 days old.

0:37:09 > 0:37:14I was born here.

0:37:14 > 0:37:20It's easier to know what happened than think about what happened

0:37:20 > 0:37:23but not really know that much.

0:37:28 > 0:37:32As the genocide gathered pace, their situation was becoming desperate.

0:37:36 > 0:37:40We stayed at home for two weeks, listening to the radio

0:37:40 > 0:37:42and waiting to die.

0:37:42 > 0:37:47Outside, the mayhem continued. Bodies are piling up in the street.

0:37:47 > 0:37:52Dogs are howling and fighting over the bodies. The smell is abominable.

0:37:54 > 0:37:56The noise is terrifying.

0:38:00 > 0:38:04My uncle's not here because it was just a bit too much for him,

0:38:04 > 0:38:08just remembering certain things, And I think, like again with my mum,

0:38:08 > 0:38:12she's done her stuff, she's done her job and the same with Uncle.

0:38:12 > 0:38:16And now, you know, it's time for my generation to start speaking out.

0:38:16 > 0:38:18MUSIC: "Tiny Dancer" by DJ Ironik

0:38:21 > 0:38:23# Hold me close, you're just too far

0:38:23 > 0:38:25# Or I can bring you in so you rock with the stars... #

0:38:25 > 0:38:28This is where my mum went to high school.

0:38:28 > 0:38:31And this is where I probably would have gone as well

0:38:31 > 0:38:33if my mum decided to stay here.

0:38:33 > 0:38:34# Hold me closer and don't let go

0:38:34 > 0:38:37# I'm falling so please just don't let go

0:38:37 > 0:38:42# Hold me closer tiny dancer Hold me closer, just hold me closer

0:38:42 > 0:38:45# Count the headlights on the highway

0:38:47 > 0:38:51# Lay me down in sheets of linen Lay me down, just lay me down

0:38:51 > 0:38:55# You had a busy day today

0:38:57 > 0:38:59# I ain't stylish, I'm skylish

0:38:59 > 0:39:01# Yes, my level's so up there

0:39:01 > 0:39:04# My lady's adjacent. I smell her fragrance... #

0:39:04 > 0:39:07Today was pretty hard for me, actually.

0:39:08 > 0:39:12I saw clothes and saw shoes that were all different sizes, like.

0:39:12 > 0:39:18Imagine seeing a shoe like that big.

0:39:18 > 0:39:20So you know that's a kid.

0:39:20 > 0:39:23That's a child who died there.

0:39:24 > 0:39:27It's easy for someone to say, "Oh, forgive".

0:39:28 > 0:39:31It's easy to say that if it's not you.

0:39:38 > 0:39:40Nation.

0:39:42 > 0:39:44Congregation.

0:39:44 > 0:39:46There's only one more day before Roger is

0:39:46 > 0:39:49due to perform with Miss JoJo at the memorial concert.

0:39:51 > 0:39:54We need reconciliation on our space station.

0:39:54 > 0:39:59That's freestyling for you, man. Ha, ha, ha!

0:39:59 > 0:40:03If he's going to contribute to this act of national remembrance,

0:40:03 > 0:40:05there's a lot to do.

0:40:05 > 0:40:09I've got, like, half of my lyrics down, but I don't know where

0:40:09 > 0:40:12I'm going to get the inspiration for the other half.

0:40:12 > 0:40:16Writing them down won't be as hard as then having to remember them

0:40:16 > 0:40:19in front of 30,000 people.

0:40:19 > 0:40:21Does that make you nervous?

0:40:21 > 0:40:23Does it make me nervous? Are you mad?

0:40:23 > 0:40:26Of course, I'm bloody cacking it, mate!

0:40:26 > 0:40:29Your smiling, yeah, but this isn't a joke.

0:40:29 > 0:40:33This is serious and I'm cacking it. You should be helping me, man.

0:40:36 > 0:40:40As remembrance week reaches its climax, the people of Rwanda

0:40:40 > 0:40:46pay their respects at one of the largest mass graves in the country.

0:40:46 > 0:40:50The remains of 250,000 people are buried here.

0:40:52 > 0:40:57No-one can be sure because of the sheer number of dead.

0:40:57 > 0:40:59But it's believed Roger's dad is among them.

0:41:02 > 0:41:06He'd kept Roger and his mum safe for 30 days

0:41:06 > 0:41:08before his luck finally ran out.

0:41:10 > 0:41:13'They walked away, leaving John, Roger and me

0:41:13 > 0:41:15'standing at our front gate.

0:41:15 > 0:41:18'We stood there for five minutes without uttering a word.'

0:41:20 > 0:41:22'I have no idea why he did not speak.

0:41:22 > 0:41:25'Maybe he was still hoping that we would meet again,

0:41:25 > 0:41:28'refusing to believe that his friends would kill him.

0:41:28 > 0:41:32'The leader of the pack came back for John.

0:41:32 > 0:41:33'It was the last time I saw John.

0:41:33 > 0:41:36'Not long after that I heard the gunshots,

0:41:36 > 0:41:38'and I knew that he was dead.'

0:41:44 > 0:41:47It's extraordinary that Roger's mum could ever forgive.

0:41:50 > 0:41:54This is a picture of my dad, and I've just clipped it on.

0:41:54 > 0:41:58I feel quite happy because

0:41:58 > 0:42:02we know that he's on the list now

0:42:02 > 0:42:06of the nearly one million people who died.

0:42:06 > 0:42:09One of those could be my dad.

0:42:09 > 0:42:12I think I'll always remember this.

0:42:12 > 0:42:15The person who killed my husband,

0:42:15 > 0:42:19I forgive him, but it will be harder to see him.

0:42:22 > 0:42:23Yeah, I forgive him.

0:42:26 > 0:42:29Say someone else did something like that,

0:42:29 > 0:42:32and you would never forgive them, it would get worse and worse, probably.

0:42:32 > 0:42:37But on this journey, Roger the young man has hardened in his anger

0:42:37 > 0:42:41and any thought of forgiveness is far from his mind.

0:42:43 > 0:42:45It's a different kind of anger.

0:42:45 > 0:42:48Now I understand quite a lot more.

0:42:48 > 0:42:52I was a bit more innocent then.

0:42:53 > 0:42:56Now, it's...

0:42:58 > 0:43:03..it's an anger that I would like to act upon.

0:43:04 > 0:43:06Do you know what I mean?

0:43:06 > 0:43:09I think what I'm doing is a let-down to quite a lot of Rwandans,

0:43:09 > 0:43:14because me saying that it's an anger that I would like to act upon

0:43:14 > 0:43:18is detrimental to Rwanda now.

0:43:18 > 0:43:22I hate to use the word revenge, but it's how I'm feeling at the moment.

0:43:31 > 0:43:34It's dawning on Roger that Rwanda may be

0:43:34 > 0:43:36further down the road to reconciliation than he is.

0:43:38 > 0:43:41But he's determined not to let Miss JoJo down.

0:43:41 > 0:43:45CHORAL SINGING

0:43:51 > 0:43:53It's their final rehearsal.

0:43:53 > 0:43:57The concert's tomorrow and he needs to nail his rap.

0:43:57 > 0:44:02The lyrics I've got, that I've written, are mainly about,

0:44:02 > 0:44:08you know, reconciliation and talking about how Rwanda was on its own

0:44:08 > 0:44:12and how Rwanda has picked itself up, and Rwanda is moving on.

0:44:21 > 0:44:28CHORAL SINGING

0:44:40 > 0:44:43RAPS: I guess we're way too nice for the other side

0:44:43 > 0:44:46We are kings, only crowns in our bloodlines

0:44:46 > 0:44:49Born in Kigali, so, yeah, it's in my blood type

0:44:49 > 0:44:52Hitting every shade of green light 'til we get it right

0:44:52 > 0:44:54Yeah. And we ain't even made it yet

0:44:54 > 0:44:57Three laps, check it, we ain't even break a sweat

0:44:57 > 0:44:59Full course, and I'm caught, and we're self-taught

0:44:59 > 0:45:01Half of y'all need to stand up with the city's rep

0:45:01 > 0:45:04Tears won't stop 'til we're callin'

0:45:04 > 0:45:06Make a couple Gs in the south now they hate him

0:45:06 > 0:45:09No worries, no woes, I'm my own thing

0:45:09 > 0:45:11Solo, this is how it's got me feelin'.

0:45:11 > 0:45:15CHORAL SINGING

0:45:33 > 0:45:35APPLAUSE

0:45:36 > 0:45:38That went really well.

0:45:38 > 0:45:40I was really nervous, and yeah, I'm happy with it.

0:45:40 > 0:45:43- All right. - All right, bye.

0:45:45 > 0:45:47You know, you're going to be good tonight.

0:45:47 > 0:45:50- Me, I'm going to be like, Wooh!- Nah, man.

0:45:50 > 0:45:53I've got to be honest, I'm absolutely cacking it!

0:45:54 > 0:45:56I'm bricking it!

0:45:56 > 0:45:59I don't know how many words I can say to tell you how scared I am.

0:45:59 > 0:46:04Eight million people, including the President, of this whole country.

0:46:04 > 0:46:06Yeah.

0:46:08 > 0:46:11I might choke! Oh, my gosh.

0:46:16 > 0:46:19It's Roger's last day in Rwanda and he wanted to see whether

0:46:19 > 0:46:23the spirit of reconciliation is making a difference for ordinary people.

0:46:25 > 0:46:32Since the genocide, Tutsi and Hutu have been encouraged to live alongside each other in villages.

0:46:34 > 0:46:36Jacqueline Mukamana is a Tutsi.

0:46:36 > 0:46:39When she was 16 years old,

0:46:39 > 0:46:43a gang killed all 12 members of her family with machetes and swords.

0:46:43 > 0:46:46Did you find it hard to...

0:46:46 > 0:46:49forgive the people who did this to your family?

0:46:52 > 0:46:56TRANSLATOR: God helped. She prayed first about it, and then

0:46:56 > 0:46:59it became easy for her to forgive.

0:46:59 > 0:47:04How long did it take for them to ask for their pardon or forgiveness?

0:47:05 > 0:47:10TRANSLATOR: It took them a long time for them to get the courage

0:47:10 > 0:47:13to come forward and to ask for forgiveness,

0:47:13 > 0:47:18and she admits that it was about a year that it took them

0:47:18 > 0:47:21to come and ask for forgiveness.

0:47:21 > 0:47:27Is there any chance that we can now meet the perpetrators and ask her if it's OK?

0:47:41 > 0:47:47Frederick Kaqzigwemo was in a Hutu gang that killed seven Tutsis in one day.

0:47:47 > 0:47:51Normally, an attack group had a leader

0:47:51 > 0:47:56and the people he led were supposed to go and do the atrocities.

0:47:56 > 0:48:02So he was not the leader, but was part of the group that was led.

0:48:03 > 0:48:07He served nine years for his part in the genocide.

0:48:07 > 0:48:09You guys are living side-by-side and you're neighbours now.

0:48:09 > 0:48:15How close is your relationship now as just people who are part of this village?

0:48:18 > 0:48:21TRANSLATOR: Our relationship is good.

0:48:21 > 0:48:25Our children live happily together, which has a long journey to make.

0:48:25 > 0:48:30She can leave her children here and they will be taken care of here in my home.

0:48:30 > 0:48:33Likewise mine, if I have a long task to do away from home,

0:48:33 > 0:48:38I can leave my children in her home and they will be taken care of.

0:48:38 > 0:48:41They will be given food and looked after properly.

0:48:41 > 0:48:44So we are living well as neighbours.

0:48:44 > 0:48:48OK. Cool. Thank you very much.

0:48:50 > 0:48:52He has something he wants to add.

0:48:54 > 0:48:59- He would like to add something, as you who lost your...- father...

0:48:59 > 0:49:01..your family, your father.

0:49:07 > 0:49:11TRANSLATOR: I, therefore, in front of all these people here

0:49:11 > 0:49:13ask you for forgiveness

0:49:13 > 0:49:19and if you are able to forgive me, I would greatly appreciate.

0:49:19 > 0:49:23- Oh, OK. Um...could you translate this?- Yes.

0:49:23 > 0:49:27Er...

0:49:28 > 0:49:33..because you've been so kind and you are doing a great thing,

0:49:33 > 0:49:36and you should carry on doing the thing you're doing,

0:49:36 > 0:49:43and in terms of asking for forgiveness generally, then...yeah,

0:49:43 > 0:49:45I forgive you solely.

0:49:45 > 0:49:49But in terms of asking for forgiveness for my father's death,

0:49:49 > 0:49:53I can't because that wasn't your fault.

0:49:54 > 0:49:57Cool, man. Cheers, mate.

0:49:57 > 0:49:58Yeah, thanks.

0:50:08 > 0:50:10Brilliant. Cool, man.

0:50:12 > 0:50:14She's thanking you for forgiving.

0:50:14 > 0:50:16Oh, OK.

0:50:17 > 0:50:20It's a real breakthrough for Roger

0:50:20 > 0:50:24that he can bring himself to forgive a Hutu killer, but he's still

0:50:24 > 0:50:28a long way from offering the same to the men who murdered his father.

0:50:28 > 0:50:30He said, "Can you forgive me?"

0:50:30 > 0:50:33and I said, you know, "Generally, I can forgive you."

0:50:33 > 0:50:38'I couldn't say I forgive you for hurting my dad because that's too deep.'

0:50:38 > 0:50:45But I hate to say, if the people who did whatever they did to my dad were confronted with me,

0:50:45 > 0:50:48I wouldn't treat them with the same respect.

0:50:48 > 0:50:55If you're told to kill someone on the street and it's because they're a Tutsi, OK, that's disgusting.

0:50:55 > 0:50:59But if you know that person and you're friends with their wife,

0:50:59 > 0:51:02and their newborn is coming a long way,

0:51:02 > 0:51:06who's just about to be born and you know that,

0:51:06 > 0:51:09I can't understand that, so I can't forgive them.

0:51:09 > 0:51:12I mean, I hate to say it, but I'd love to see them in body bags and...

0:51:12 > 0:51:13It's horrible.

0:51:13 > 0:51:16I know what I'm saying is horrible, but that's the truth.

0:51:16 > 0:51:18Ah!

0:51:28 > 0:51:31There's an hour to go before the remembrance concert.

0:51:35 > 0:51:39- Is that for the concert?- Yeah.

0:51:39 > 0:51:42What, that huge sign out there?

0:51:42 > 0:51:44- Oh, you doughnut! - HE LAUGHS

0:51:47 > 0:51:49Banners up, all everywhere.

0:51:51 > 0:51:56Some big old sign in the middle of the whole square, man.

0:51:56 > 0:51:58If there's any more, I'm going to go mad.

0:51:58 > 0:52:00HE SINGS

0:52:11 > 0:52:16You're not worried about it? The rhythm?

0:52:16 > 0:52:18- No.- He's a rapper.- I'm fine.

0:52:27 > 0:52:29This is bad.

0:52:29 > 0:52:33I want to go home, man. I'm nervous.

0:52:33 > 0:52:35Nervous, nervous, nervous, nervous.

0:52:40 > 0:52:44Roger is impressed by how far Rwanda has moved on since the genocide

0:52:44 > 0:52:48and is honoured to play his part in the spirit of reconciliation.

0:52:57 > 0:53:00# You will always be with us

0:53:00 > 0:53:07# Even though they think you're now far away

0:53:07 > 0:53:12# Memories will give us strength to go on

0:53:12 > 0:53:18# Never again will there be such a tragedy

0:53:18 > 0:53:20# I've got tears in my eyes

0:53:20 > 0:53:25# But I've got pain in my heart... #

0:53:27 > 0:53:30THEY ALL SING

0:53:39 > 0:53:41RAPS: # Guess I'm way too fresh for the other side

0:53:41 > 0:53:44# I am king Only crowns in our bloodline

0:53:44 > 0:53:47# A Class genes So yes in my blood tie

0:53:47 > 0:53:52# Pitting every shade of green light till I get right, right

0:53:52 > 0:53:54# And we ain't even made it yet

0:53:54 > 0:53:57# Free lapse check it We ain't even break it yet

0:53:57 > 0:54:00# Full course on a court and we're self-taught

0:54:00 > 0:54:04# Half y'all need to stand up with the city's rep

0:54:04 > 0:54:06# Oh... #

0:54:13 > 0:54:16# There'll be tears in my eyes... #

0:54:17 > 0:54:23It wasn't one of those concerts where you're like, "Yeah, get some energy up."

0:54:23 > 0:54:26This was a very like...

0:54:26 > 0:54:30A really reflective, sort of vibe.

0:54:30 > 0:54:32And it was really...

0:54:32 > 0:54:34I wouldn't say moody, but...

0:54:36 > 0:54:38..it was just a really mellow sort of thing.

0:54:38 > 0:54:42Even when we finished, I think there was no clapping, nothing.

0:54:42 > 0:54:45It was literally just like... you know.

0:54:45 > 0:54:47That was with all the acts, you know. It was just like,

0:54:47 > 0:54:52they do their performance, and then after the crowd just like...

0:54:52 > 0:54:56This is it, it's done, finished.

0:54:56 > 0:54:59Yeah, man. Take it easy.

0:54:59 > 0:55:02Signing out officially.

0:55:15 > 0:55:22Hours before he flies home, Roger is visiting the place where he and his mum were rescued.

0:55:25 > 0:55:30After 100 days in hiding, she managed to escape from the city

0:55:30 > 0:55:35carrying her genocide baby up Mount Kigali.

0:55:38 > 0:55:41It was raining heavily.

0:55:41 > 0:55:43I climbed the steep slopes.

0:55:43 > 0:55:46My legs hurt and my heart pounded.

0:55:46 > 0:55:49I was headed west out of the city.

0:55:49 > 0:55:52Finally at dawn, atop Mount Kigali,

0:55:52 > 0:55:56I saw three soldiers appear out of the mist.

0:55:56 > 0:56:00For the first time, I could face the morning without fearing that

0:56:00 > 0:56:02it would be my last.

0:56:03 > 0:56:06It's been a remarkable journey.

0:56:06 > 0:56:11Roger left his mum behind to see for himself the horror of the genocide.

0:56:14 > 0:56:15He's met survivors...

0:56:18 > 0:56:19..and killers...

0:56:23 > 0:56:27..and come closer than ever before to a decision about forgiveness.

0:56:33 > 0:56:37But he can't yet bring himself to forgive the people who killed his dad.

0:56:39 > 0:56:42In terms of forgiveness, it's not a straightforward thing

0:56:42 > 0:56:47as someone stole my car keys and my car, or something, and now I've got them back, so I forgive them.

0:56:47 > 0:56:51It's not like that. It's just very complicated.

0:56:57 > 0:57:01It would be quite weird seeing this again in another ten years,

0:57:01 > 0:57:04seeing the difference between the me then and the me now.

0:57:04 > 0:57:08I'm young, I've got a couple of years yet, I'm still only 16,

0:57:08 > 0:57:13so hopefully that anger will...

0:57:13 > 0:57:14somehow fizzle out.

0:57:34 > 0:57:36- Hello!- Hello.

0:57:36 > 0:57:40Off, off, off, off!

0:57:40 > 0:57:44That's it. Go, go! Stop watching this documentary and do something fun.