Sian Phillips

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0:00:02 > 0:00:06Sian Phillips - the glamorous Welsh actress of stage and screen.

0:00:06 > 0:00:09Her high-profile film and theatre roles

0:00:09 > 0:00:12have made her one of Hollywood's most-respected names.

0:00:13 > 0:00:17She starred with former husband Peter O'Toole in many films,

0:00:17 > 0:00:20but she's much-loved for the unforgettable performance

0:00:20 > 0:00:23as the scheming Livia in I, Claudius.

0:00:25 > 0:00:26Travelling to her birthplace

0:00:26 > 0:00:28for the first time in many years,

0:00:28 > 0:00:32Sian Phillips is coming home.

0:00:34 > 0:00:39On this journey, Sian will learn of her family's involvement

0:00:39 > 0:00:40at the Battle of Waterloo...

0:00:40 > 0:00:42How extraordinary!

0:00:42 > 0:00:44I'm pole-axed.

0:00:44 > 0:00:46I can't tell you how astonished I am.

0:00:47 > 0:00:51..finds closure to a question that has plagued her for decades...

0:00:51 > 0:00:52No!

0:00:52 > 0:00:54Yes.

0:00:54 > 0:00:56Which has a long association with your family, of course.

0:00:56 > 0:00:58Yes...

0:01:00 > 0:01:03..and Sian feels the nerves as she performs a reading

0:01:03 > 0:01:04at the National Eisteddfod

0:01:04 > 0:01:07for the first time in almost 70 years.

0:01:07 > 0:01:09APPLAUSE

0:01:09 > 0:01:13Sian now lives in London's cosmopolitan East End -

0:01:13 > 0:01:18a far cry from her beginnings in rural Welsh-speaking Carmarthenshire.

0:01:19 > 0:01:22As a teenager she headed for the bright lights of London

0:01:22 > 0:01:25to pursue a career in stage acting.

0:01:25 > 0:01:28But Sian has never forgotten her roots.

0:01:28 > 0:01:31I realised that I wasn't going to be able to stay in this wonderful place

0:01:31 > 0:01:34when I grew up a bit, and I...

0:01:34 > 0:01:36I was heartbroken.

0:01:36 > 0:01:40I broke my heart quietly and secretly and...and...slowly.

0:01:40 > 0:01:42Because I knew I was going to have to leave,

0:01:42 > 0:01:44so I really...

0:01:44 > 0:01:46I really appreciated

0:01:46 > 0:01:48all of my childhood,

0:01:48 > 0:01:54and all the places in Pontardawe, Brynamman, Cilmaengwyn...

0:01:54 > 0:01:57all those villages. I just loved the whole neighbourhood.

0:01:57 > 0:02:01Genealogist Mike Churchill-Jones has been invited to Sian's home

0:02:01 > 0:02:03on Brick Lane.

0:02:03 > 0:02:06Sian already knows much about her mother's family history,

0:02:06 > 0:02:10so Mike is here to find out where his research should begin.

0:02:10 > 0:02:12Come on in.

0:02:12 > 0:02:13Thank you. Thanks very much.

0:02:13 > 0:02:16This was, I think, maybe my first appearance.

0:02:16 > 0:02:18I would have been about four

0:02:18 > 0:02:23and it was a play at school called Mair A'r Wyau,

0:02:23 > 0:02:27I think my mother may have written it - Mair And The Eggs -

0:02:27 > 0:02:29and it was a little, erm...

0:02:29 > 0:02:32That was my Welsh costume, of course, for St David's Day.

0:02:32 > 0:02:34- Terribly cute, weren't you? - Yes!

0:02:34 > 0:02:36SHE LAUGHS

0:02:36 > 0:02:38- In your little Welsh costume. - Yes, in my Welsh costume.

0:02:38 > 0:02:40I was very, very proud that.

0:02:40 > 0:02:43It got lengthened and lengthened and lengthened as I got older.

0:02:43 > 0:02:44Lovely.

0:02:44 > 0:02:46- That is lovely.- Sweet.

0:02:46 > 0:02:47Yeah.

0:02:47 > 0:02:52There's one family photograph Sian always keeps close,

0:02:52 > 0:02:54but someone she knows very little about.

0:02:54 > 0:02:56I always keep that with me.

0:02:56 > 0:02:58You know, wherever...

0:02:58 > 0:03:00In my drawing room, wherever I live.

0:03:00 > 0:03:04I just love the look of Sali, we think, maybe.

0:03:04 > 0:03:06Sali Wernwgan?

0:03:06 > 0:03:08Sali Wernwgan. Yeah.

0:03:08 > 0:03:11SHE LAUGHS

0:03:11 > 0:03:12She looks great.

0:03:12 > 0:03:15But this elderly women clutching a Welsh Bible

0:03:15 > 0:03:18is a mystery to Sian.

0:03:18 > 0:03:21Sali Wernwgan will be Mike's starting point

0:03:21 > 0:03:24for his search into Sian's ancestry.

0:03:24 > 0:03:25I'll get on with the research.

0:03:25 > 0:03:28Oh, well, I'd be very grateful, actually.

0:03:28 > 0:03:31Well, I hope I'll be very grateful. You never know, do you?

0:03:31 > 0:03:33- We'll meet up again in a couple of weeks in South Wales.- Yes.

0:03:33 > 0:03:36- Hopefully, I'll have plenty to tell you.- Well, oh, gosh...

0:03:36 > 0:03:37SHE LAUGHS

0:03:37 > 0:03:41I do feel a bit apprehensive, but mostly I'm looking forward to it.

0:03:41 > 0:03:43I don't mind what it is, really.

0:03:43 > 0:03:45I'd just like to know more. I would like to.

0:03:45 > 0:03:49- I'll see what I can do. - OK. Thank you.

0:03:49 > 0:03:53A few weeks have gone by and Sian is travelling home to Carmarthenshire

0:03:53 > 0:03:56for the first time in many years.

0:03:56 > 0:04:01And she is still intrigued about this mystery woman with that unusual name.

0:04:01 > 0:04:03It's such a great photograph.

0:04:03 > 0:04:06And I've got it where I see it every day, at home.

0:04:06 > 0:04:10In a frame. And people say, "Where is it? What is it, exactly?"

0:04:10 > 0:04:13"Where does she live? Where was she?"

0:04:13 > 0:04:15And I can never tell them.

0:04:15 > 0:04:16But I say, "Well, it's Sali."

0:04:16 > 0:04:19And it's supposed to be Sali... S-A-L-I...Wernwgan.

0:04:19 > 0:04:23And "Wernwgan" is obviously a farm, or a little place...

0:04:23 > 0:04:25I just don't know.

0:04:25 > 0:04:27But I'd like to know.

0:04:31 > 0:04:34Sian is now in the village of Gwaun-Cae-Gurwen,

0:04:34 > 0:04:37where she and generations of her family lived.

0:04:38 > 0:04:41I think, for me to get the full flavour,

0:04:41 > 0:04:44I'd have to come on a very small, rattly bus.

0:04:44 > 0:04:46SHE CHUCKLES

0:04:47 > 0:04:50Sian's first stop is Carmel Chapel,

0:04:50 > 0:04:53a place very close to her heart.

0:04:55 > 0:04:57- Sian.- Hello!

0:04:57 > 0:05:00She's arranged to meet here with Mike Churchill-Jones

0:05:00 > 0:05:02for the reading of her family tree,

0:05:02 > 0:05:04and it's been over 70 years

0:05:04 > 0:05:07since she last entered this chapel.

0:05:09 > 0:05:11Well... Oh, my goodness.

0:05:11 > 0:05:13Oh, it's...

0:05:14 > 0:05:16It's amazing.

0:05:18 > 0:05:21- Oh... - What's it like being back here?

0:05:21 > 0:05:23It's wonderful.

0:05:23 > 0:05:29My earliest memories as a child are of the sort of honey-coloured varnish on the...

0:05:29 > 0:05:32on the seats, and the smell of the polish they use.

0:05:32 > 0:05:34I think everyone...

0:05:34 > 0:05:38There must've been a huge job-lot of polish, I think, in South Wales,

0:05:38 > 0:05:41because all chapels smelled of... beeswax, I suppose.

0:05:41 > 0:05:43Wonderfully.

0:05:43 > 0:05:45How different does it strike you?

0:05:45 > 0:05:47It doesn't strike me as different, at all.

0:05:47 > 0:05:49This is what I remember.

0:05:49 > 0:05:52And these are the places I first performed in

0:05:52 > 0:05:54when I was a child, of course.

0:05:54 > 0:05:57I remember sitting waiting, on a Saturday, especially,

0:05:57 > 0:06:01in chapels all around me here - and this one, too, probably -

0:06:01 > 0:06:05to go up into the...erm...

0:06:05 > 0:06:07Not into the pulpit, necessarily,

0:06:07 > 0:06:09but into the Sedd Fawr - the Big Seat -

0:06:09 > 0:06:13where there would be a dais and one would perform from there.

0:06:13 > 0:06:15On a Saturday. Compete.

0:06:16 > 0:06:18- Well, I've done a family tree for you.- OK.

0:06:18 > 0:06:22Would you like to come down the front and I'll do a reading for you?

0:06:22 > 0:06:24Yes, I'd love to.

0:06:24 > 0:06:27Sian has many unanswered questions about her genealogy,

0:06:27 > 0:06:31and Mike can make a start on filling in the many blanks of her ancestry.

0:06:31 > 0:06:36- This is what we have come up with. - Oh, goodness!

0:06:36 > 0:06:37Wow!

0:06:39 > 0:06:43Sian can see she has deep Carmarthenshire roots

0:06:43 > 0:06:44on both sides of the family.

0:06:46 > 0:06:50And Glamorganshire roots, dating back to the 1600s.

0:06:51 > 0:06:54Mike begins with Sian's great-great-grandfather,

0:06:54 > 0:06:56one Thomas Thomas.

0:06:57 > 0:07:00- Thomas started his working life as a coal miner...- Yeah.

0:07:00 > 0:07:03- ..but then he worked in the tin works.- Yes.

0:07:03 > 0:07:06- ..and he became a pickler. - What is that? What's a pickler?

0:07:06 > 0:07:08- I don't know. - You don't know what it is!

0:07:08 > 0:07:10SHE LAUGHS

0:07:10 > 0:07:13So Thomas worked in the tin works, as did many of his children,

0:07:13 > 0:07:15- and some of his siblings.- Yes.

0:07:15 > 0:07:19But Sian is here to learn more about the mystery woman in the photograph -

0:07:19 > 0:07:22Sali Wernwgan.

0:07:22 > 0:07:25Mike can reveal that her name began as Sarah Jones,

0:07:25 > 0:07:29and that Sali was often used as a family nickname for Sarah.

0:07:29 > 0:07:31- Sarah Jones...- Yeah.

0:07:31 > 0:07:35..is the lady you know

0:07:35 > 0:07:36as Sali Wernwgan.

0:07:36 > 0:07:39- No!- Yeah.- Oh, my goodness.

0:07:39 > 0:07:40So...

0:07:40 > 0:07:41I see.

0:07:41 > 0:07:43Oh, so she was Daniel's mother?

0:07:43 > 0:07:45She's your great-grandmother.

0:07:45 > 0:07:47So, she is... She IS my great-grandmother?

0:07:47 > 0:07:50I was never quite sure. I used to say, "This is my great-grandmother."

0:07:50 > 0:07:53I was hoping. Oh, wonderful.

0:07:53 > 0:07:55This is where the Wernwgan comes in.

0:07:55 > 0:08:00- Oh, I see.- The Wernwgan farm. Belonged to this man.

0:08:00 > 0:08:02So, where is Gwy... Oh, it's Gwynfe!

0:08:02 > 0:08:05It's Gwynfe in Llangadock.

0:08:05 > 0:08:07Which is lovely. I love Gwynfe.

0:08:07 > 0:08:11I didn't realise that Wernwgan was in Gwynfe.

0:08:11 > 0:08:13Oh, wonderful.

0:08:13 > 0:08:18Later, Sian will be visiting the farm that bore this Wernwgan name.

0:08:21 > 0:08:23Thank you very much.

0:08:23 > 0:08:25- Terrific. Thank you.- Good.

0:08:28 > 0:08:30Sali's father was Thomas Jones,

0:08:30 > 0:08:33who lived during the Napoleonic Wars

0:08:33 > 0:08:35and Sian is going to learn about his life

0:08:35 > 0:08:39by visiting the beautiful Glynhir Estates

0:08:39 > 0:08:41in Llandybie in Carmarthenshire.

0:08:41 > 0:08:44This place is brimming with Napoleonic history,

0:08:44 > 0:08:46with tales of French spies in hiding

0:08:46 > 0:08:50and a weapons factory on this very site.

0:08:51 > 0:08:54Thomas Jones started life as a simple farmer

0:08:54 > 0:08:56but his life took a dramatic turn

0:08:56 > 0:09:00as historian Gareth Glover can explain.

0:09:02 > 0:09:05I want to reveal to you today a little bit of his earlier life.

0:09:05 > 0:09:09You may not know that he actually fought at the Battle of Waterloo.

0:09:12 > 0:09:13No...

0:09:13 > 0:09:15How extraordinary.

0:09:15 > 0:09:16I'm pole-axed.

0:09:16 > 0:09:19I can't tell you how astonished I am.

0:09:19 > 0:09:22I didn't think anybody had ever gone anywhere.

0:09:22 > 0:09:24How extraordinary.

0:09:24 > 0:09:29So Sian now knows that her great-great-grandfather Thomas Jones

0:09:29 > 0:09:33fought alongside Wellington to defeat this man,

0:09:33 > 0:09:37Emperor of the French, Napoleon Bonaparte.

0:09:38 > 0:09:41And this very dovecot standing behind Sian

0:09:41 > 0:09:45was built in celebration of that victory at Waterloo.

0:09:45 > 0:09:48What I want to do now is talk a bit more about Thomas Jones himself.

0:09:48 > 0:09:52So let's go inside and see... We've got more to show you.

0:09:52 > 0:09:54Oh, that would be so interesting. Thank you.

0:09:57 > 0:10:01Inside the grand mansion, Sian can read from

0:10:01 > 0:10:05an autobiography written by Thomas's own granddaughter.

0:10:05 > 0:10:09"Thomas Jones was a cavalryman and was active in the war.

0:10:09 > 0:10:13"The relics of the war were a tricorn hat with feathers,

0:10:13 > 0:10:17"Wellington boots with a yellow or red band,

0:10:17 > 0:10:20"silver buckles and stirrups.

0:10:20 > 0:10:22"I remember the silver buckles."

0:10:22 > 0:10:27Now, that little bit of information helped us a lot

0:10:27 > 0:10:30because, as you can imagine, there are lots of Thomas Joneses...

0:10:30 > 0:10:34- Yes.- ..but there was only one cavalryman

0:10:34 > 0:10:37who was a Thomas Jones from West Wales.

0:10:37 > 0:10:40Let me just show you some papers we found in Kew, et cetera.

0:10:40 > 0:10:44- Yes.- This one here, actually shows the day he actually joined the Army.

0:10:44 > 0:10:46- Gosh.- And if you look at number two,

0:10:46 > 0:10:50"Thomas Jones" joined the Army on 19th March 1805,

0:10:50 > 0:10:53- which was the year of the Battle of Trafalgar.- Yes.

0:10:53 > 0:10:54So, six months before that.

0:10:54 > 0:10:58And, as a major part of that, there was a bounty in those days.

0:10:58 > 0:11:01They actually gave soldiers money to join - to encourage them to join -

0:11:01 > 0:11:06- Yes.- ..and Thomas received £9 6s 4d,

0:11:06 > 0:11:10which actually equates in modern money to about £400.

0:11:10 > 0:11:12- So he got £400 for joining the Army. - Right.

0:11:12 > 0:11:15He then went into the 18th Hussars.

0:11:15 > 0:11:19Now, the 18th Hussars, or Light Dragoons as they were known,

0:11:19 > 0:11:22would actually wear a very, very garish

0:11:22 > 0:11:24- and sort of smart uniform.- Oh!

0:11:24 > 0:11:28But that's what he would've looked like...

0:11:28 > 0:11:29Oh, my goodness!

0:11:29 > 0:11:31Look at that.

0:11:31 > 0:11:35- ..on his charger, ready for battle. - It scarcely seems possible.

0:11:35 > 0:11:39This is the type of sword that Thomas would have carried.

0:11:39 > 0:11:42It is actually a real sword from the Battle of Waterloo.

0:11:42 > 0:11:45It was found... As you can see, it's very rust-encrusted, et cetera.

0:11:45 > 0:11:49- Yes.- And this is exactly what he would have carried.

0:11:49 > 0:11:51It was very much a slashing weapon.

0:11:51 > 0:11:55- I don't know if you want to hold it?- I'd love to.- Please do.

0:11:55 > 0:11:58- Still a little sharp on the edge, so please be careful.- Yes... Yes.

0:11:58 > 0:12:01- So you hold it...- You hold it like that... Yeah, of course.

0:12:02 > 0:12:05- Wow.- As you can see, it was a very nasty weapon.- Oh, yes.

0:12:05 > 0:12:08Very frightening weapon to be against.

0:12:08 > 0:12:12Thomas found himself at the very heart of the famous

0:12:12 > 0:12:14Battle of Waterloo.

0:12:14 > 0:12:16In a field in Belgium,

0:12:16 > 0:12:20he fought alongside 68,000 of his allies,

0:12:20 > 0:12:23well outnumbered by Napoleon's troops.

0:12:23 > 0:12:27The battle was bloody, and the death toll enormous.

0:12:27 > 0:12:29But Thomas's victory here,

0:12:29 > 0:12:34finally halted Napoleon's march towards European domination.

0:12:34 > 0:12:37And he's very lucky, from what I can see, to have actually survived

0:12:37 > 0:12:40all of these battles and wars without any injury or loss to himself.

0:12:40 > 0:12:43So he's been very lucky in that sense.

0:12:43 > 0:12:46- A Lieutenant Colonel Malley, in 1886...- Yes.

0:12:46 > 0:12:48..actually made this large cup.

0:12:48 > 0:12:52- Yes.- Now this large cup has around it

0:12:52 > 0:12:54a large number of medals.

0:12:54 > 0:12:58And it is a big enough cup for that to be real medals.

0:12:58 > 0:13:02- Oh.- He collected medals from his regiment, the 18th Hussars,

0:13:02 > 0:13:06because he'd written the history of the bat...of the regiment, as well.

0:13:06 > 0:13:10- When we have looked at the catalogue...- Yes.

0:13:10 > 0:13:15..for that cup, we notice Corporal Thomas Jones...

0:13:15 > 0:13:16Oh, my goodness!

0:13:16 > 0:13:19..Waterloo medal is on the side.

0:13:19 > 0:13:22- On that cup.- And so is his bar...

0:13:22 > 0:13:25- My goodness!- ..his military service and service medal with bars,

0:13:25 > 0:13:28for Sahagun, Benevente, Vitoria Orthez and Toulouse.

0:13:28 > 0:13:30Toulouse...

0:13:30 > 0:13:32And just to show you them,

0:13:32 > 0:13:36- that is actually his Waterloo medal. - Yes.

0:13:36 > 0:13:39As you can see, that's his name on the side...

0:13:39 > 0:13:42- T Jones.- Yes!- Now, if you notice... It says "sergeant".- Yes, it does.

0:13:42 > 0:13:46- Because of sergeant at the battle.- No, no.

0:13:46 > 0:13:47- But they've backdated it.- Yes.

0:13:47 > 0:13:50- They've actually put "sergeant" on the medal.- Right.

0:13:50 > 0:13:55And there is his actual Military General Service Medal with the bars.

0:13:55 > 0:13:56Look at that.

0:13:56 > 0:13:59And again, his name on the side. Next to it.

0:13:59 > 0:14:02- Isn't that wonderful? - "Thomas Jones."

0:14:02 > 0:14:04That is so wonderful.

0:14:04 > 0:14:06- Isn't that extraordinary? - It is fantastic, isn't it?

0:14:06 > 0:14:08That's fantastic.

0:14:08 > 0:14:10It's fantastic to find that!

0:14:10 > 0:14:14- Where is it? There it is. - Yes.- I mean... That's extraordinary.

0:14:14 > 0:14:16It's a huge cup, as I say, from the 1880s.

0:14:16 > 0:14:20- Well, it must be big. - It's a big punch bowl.- Yes.

0:14:20 > 0:14:21Oh, how wonderful.

0:14:21 > 0:14:23What a lovely piece of research.

0:14:23 > 0:14:25- That's really lovely. - You very welcome.

0:14:25 > 0:14:28Thank you so much. That is so interesting.

0:14:28 > 0:14:31And I'm so glad to understand that bit of the story.

0:14:31 > 0:14:33It all helps.

0:14:33 > 0:14:37It certainly does. Wow, that is so interesting. Thank you.

0:14:37 > 0:14:38You're very welcome.

0:14:38 > 0:14:42Whilst Sian is taking in this fascinating story,

0:14:42 > 0:14:46she's about to receive a surprise from her very own family.

0:14:47 > 0:14:49This is her daughter Pat O'Toole

0:14:49 > 0:14:51and granddaughter Jess.

0:14:51 > 0:14:54Pat's father is the late actor Peter O'Toole,

0:14:54 > 0:14:57and she is joining her mother

0:14:57 > 0:15:00to discover what Sian has been learning on this journey

0:15:00 > 0:15:02into her past.

0:15:04 > 0:15:07They're travelling to Aberdulais Falls near Neath

0:15:07 > 0:15:09because Sian learned earlier

0:15:09 > 0:15:11that her great-great-grandfather Thomas Thomas

0:15:11 > 0:15:16was a pickler at a tin works - a job she knows nothing about.

0:15:16 > 0:15:18- Hello!- Hello!

0:15:20 > 0:15:24- How has it gone so far? - Well, very good. Hello, darling.

0:15:24 > 0:15:27With the family back together, Sian, Pat

0:15:27 > 0:15:29and granddaughter Jess can enjoy the sunshine

0:15:29 > 0:15:32and the sights of this well-preserved tin works

0:15:32 > 0:15:35and hear all about Thomas's life as a pickler

0:15:35 > 0:15:38from site manager Lee Freeman.

0:15:38 > 0:15:42They'd have iron coming onto a site like this, like your Aberdulais tin works,

0:15:42 > 0:15:44and that would have been put through rollers.

0:15:44 > 0:15:46It would've gone through a hot-rolling process,

0:15:46 > 0:15:49and after that process it would've been left in what we call

0:15:49 > 0:15:53a black plate, and it would've been dipped into a black acid

0:15:53 > 0:15:56to, basically, remove the scale from the iron plate,

0:15:56 > 0:15:59ready for it to be annealed in a furnace.

0:15:59 > 0:16:02So what would have happened to Thomas, then?

0:16:02 > 0:16:05You said the chemicals were... It was toxic.

0:16:05 > 0:16:07It must've been really dangerous.

0:16:07 > 0:16:09Well, my understanding is that Thomas passed away

0:16:09 > 0:16:13- at the age of 52 years old. - Oh.- He had tuberculosis. TB.

0:16:13 > 0:16:14Oh, did he?

0:16:14 > 0:16:17One thing they say about tin-plate workers - they never got colds.

0:16:17 > 0:16:20- And that was because of the acidic fumes...- Oh, I see.

0:16:20 > 0:16:23..it kept them... There were other issues.

0:16:23 > 0:16:26They had lots of respiratory problems, lots of...

0:16:26 > 0:16:30lost fingers and lost toes from the sharp objects they worked with,

0:16:30 > 0:16:31and lots of burns.

0:16:31 > 0:16:34The average life expectancy at that time, working in tin plate,

0:16:34 > 0:16:35was around 45 years old.

0:16:35 > 0:16:39- Oh, it was a hard life. - It was a very difficult life.

0:16:39 > 0:16:41So, you said Thomas died...

0:16:41 > 0:16:43Do you know what happened to Thomas's wife and children

0:16:43 > 0:16:46- after he died?- Erm... So his wife Ann, his widow -

0:16:46 > 0:16:51she was left with ten children to look after.

0:16:51 > 0:16:52Very sad. Terrible.

0:16:52 > 0:16:55Ten children...

0:16:58 > 0:17:02Sian and her family are being driven to a location on the western slopes

0:17:02 > 0:17:04of Carmarthenshire's Black Mountain.

0:17:04 > 0:17:06Oh, look at that! Oh, my God!

0:17:06 > 0:17:07Isn't that beautiful?

0:17:09 > 0:17:11You come over this very bleak mountain,

0:17:11 > 0:17:14and suddenly you see it's so rich the other side.

0:17:18 > 0:17:22Sian's had this photograph of her great-grandmother Sali Wernwgan,

0:17:22 > 0:17:25who she discovered was actually called Sarah Jones.

0:17:26 > 0:17:29Desperate to know where the name Wernwgan came from,

0:17:29 > 0:17:32she's about to discover the answer here -

0:17:32 > 0:17:33at this small farmhouse

0:17:33 > 0:17:36in Gwynfe in the parish of Llangadock.

0:17:37 > 0:17:40Here to explain more is historian Dr Eirwyn William.

0:17:42 > 0:17:46Well, this is the farm, Sian, of Wernwgan...

0:17:46 > 0:17:47- No!- Yes.

0:17:47 > 0:17:51..which has a long association with your family, of course.

0:17:51 > 0:17:52Yes.

0:17:52 > 0:17:55So this is where Sali Wernwgan lived.

0:17:55 > 0:17:57Wow.

0:17:57 > 0:18:00And she stood in the doorway somewhere here holding a Bible

0:18:00 > 0:18:01to be photographed.

0:18:01 > 0:18:04- And here you are.- Oh, my goodness.

0:18:04 > 0:18:07Well, we can trace your family back nearly 200 years, really.

0:18:07 > 0:18:09- Oh, really.- To this farm.

0:18:09 > 0:18:13Erm...the earliest detail we have is about 1839...

0:18:13 > 0:18:17- Yes.- ..when a William Thomas owned the farm -

0:18:17 > 0:18:19no relation, we think -

0:18:19 > 0:18:22but the tenant was a William Phillips.

0:18:22 > 0:18:24Oh, really. Yes.

0:18:24 > 0:18:27He had died by about 1850,

0:18:27 > 0:18:29and his widow Ann

0:18:29 > 0:18:31carried on the tenancy.

0:18:31 > 0:18:32Yes.

0:18:32 > 0:18:35- Erm, she lived here with her son... - Yes.

0:18:35 > 0:18:38..David, who was aged 33.

0:18:38 > 0:18:40Yes.

0:18:40 > 0:18:43- He was married to Sarah, only 23... - Yes.

0:18:43 > 0:18:47- ..and their two little girls.- Mm-hm.

0:18:47 > 0:18:50And that Sarah, then,

0:18:50 > 0:18:53when they moved from here in 1854,

0:18:53 > 0:18:57entered your family history as Sali Wernwgan.

0:18:57 > 0:18:58Oh, I see.

0:18:58 > 0:19:00- Beautiful.- Hm!

0:19:00 > 0:19:02Oh, stunning.

0:19:02 > 0:19:04So lovely.

0:19:05 > 0:19:08So with a big question finally answered for Sian,

0:19:08 > 0:19:12she can explore the home in which generations of her family once lived.

0:19:12 > 0:19:14I'd almost come to think it wasn't real,

0:19:14 > 0:19:16because I didn't know where it was.

0:19:16 > 0:19:18I didn't know anything about it.

0:19:18 > 0:19:19It's odd to see a place

0:19:19 > 0:19:22where the name has been on your lips for a long time

0:19:22 > 0:19:24and then there it is.

0:19:24 > 0:19:26It actually existed,

0:19:26 > 0:19:27and she lived here.

0:19:29 > 0:19:34And before leaving, Sian can't resist having a few family snapshots

0:19:34 > 0:19:35with Sali Wernwgan,

0:19:35 > 0:19:38who she now knows was her great-grandmother

0:19:38 > 0:19:40and lived in this very farm.

0:19:44 > 0:19:47The National Eisteddfod is as much a part of Sian's ancestry

0:19:47 > 0:19:50as her home in Carmarthenshire.

0:19:50 > 0:19:53The first Eisteddfod dates back to 1176,

0:19:53 > 0:19:57and has become Wales's biggest festival of music and poetry

0:19:57 > 0:20:00with Welsh people travelling from all over the world

0:20:00 > 0:20:01to attend the festivities.

0:20:01 > 0:20:04And Sian has her own fond memories of the Eisteddfod.

0:20:04 > 0:20:07And I remember mostly... I can still smell it.

0:20:07 > 0:20:12It is the smell of trodden grass, of new-cut wood...

0:20:12 > 0:20:16because the stage was always made of wood that had just been cut,

0:20:16 > 0:20:19I would imagine, and the steps up to the stage.

0:20:19 > 0:20:23Being on the stage was extraordinary, because the audience was gigantic.

0:20:23 > 0:20:26For a little girl, it was enormous.

0:20:26 > 0:20:31The Eisteddfod in 21st-century Wales, isn't so different -

0:20:31 > 0:20:34the coming together of people of all ages to celebrate

0:20:34 > 0:20:38Welsh dance, poetry and culture.

0:20:38 > 0:20:41Sian has been invited to perform at this year's Eisteddfod,

0:20:41 > 0:20:44in the Grand Pavilion, in front of 2,500 people.

0:20:46 > 0:20:48Word is out that Sian has arrived

0:20:48 > 0:20:51and the media are keen to learn more about her upcoming recital

0:20:51 > 0:20:56which she last performed at the Eisteddfod aged just 13.

0:20:57 > 0:21:01But first, Sian is meeting with historian Gerald Morgan

0:21:01 > 0:21:05who wants to learn more about Sian's history at the Eisteddfod.

0:21:05 > 0:21:08Sian Phillips, I can't tell you what a thrill it is to meet you here

0:21:08 > 0:21:11and to welcome you to the Eisteddfod in Meifod.

0:21:11 > 0:21:13Thank you very much indeed.

0:21:13 > 0:21:17- I've discovered that you have an Eisteddfod history...- A bit.

0:21:17 > 0:21:20..that goes back quite a way.

0:21:20 > 0:21:23What do you remember about that first Eisteddfod that you went to?

0:21:23 > 0:21:25Well, it seemed I'd travelled for days to get there.

0:21:25 > 0:21:27It was only Llandybie, I think -

0:21:27 > 0:21:30I had to go there from Gwaun-Cae-Gurwen or Alltwen,

0:21:30 > 0:21:33but it seemed like a very long journey. And Mair and I went -

0:21:33 > 0:21:37her name was Mair Lynn Edwards, we called her Mair,

0:21:37 > 0:21:40and Mair and I had to do a recitation, would you believe,

0:21:40 > 0:21:46which was a dialogue between two men, in the old meter,

0:21:46 > 0:21:47and it was about a man,

0:21:47 > 0:21:52between his cheerful self and his very depressed self.

0:21:52 > 0:21:54And that was our recitation.

0:21:54 > 0:21:57We acted this...this middle-aged man, really -

0:21:57 > 0:22:00the split personalities of a middle-aged man.

0:22:00 > 0:22:03It was a very strange thing to choose for little girls.

0:22:03 > 0:22:05Were you dressed up for the occasion?

0:22:05 > 0:22:07No, we weren't dressed,

0:22:07 > 0:22:10but my mother said, "Ask for a table and a chair.

0:22:10 > 0:22:12"And don't start until they're quiet."

0:22:12 > 0:22:14So Mair and I, very nervous,

0:22:14 > 0:22:17sort of got a table and a chair and we put them there,

0:22:17 > 0:22:19and then we waited and waited

0:22:19 > 0:22:21for what seemed like five minutes

0:22:21 > 0:22:24and then we launched ourselves into our dramatic duologue.

0:22:24 > 0:22:26- And you won!- And we won!

0:22:26 > 0:22:28And it was the beginning of a career.

0:22:28 > 0:22:30It was the beginning of my career, believe it or not,

0:22:30 > 0:22:33because they broadcast the same piece later that day

0:22:33 > 0:22:35from the Eisteddfod.

0:22:36 > 0:22:38Next, Sian Phillips is going to learn

0:22:38 > 0:22:41something about a woman she met as a very young girl.

0:22:41 > 0:22:45Sali Wernwgan's niece was Rosina Davies -

0:22:45 > 0:22:48a famous evangelist who travelled the world preaching

0:22:48 > 0:22:51at a time when women were rarely seen in this type of role.

0:22:52 > 0:22:55Rosina wrote a book about her life,

0:22:55 > 0:22:57and Dr Wyn James can tell Sian more

0:22:57 > 0:23:01about this extraordinary woman's time as an evangelist.

0:23:01 > 0:23:05She came under the influence of the Salvation Army initially,

0:23:05 > 0:23:08and, of course, the Salvation Army were using girls in a way

0:23:08 > 0:23:11- that the traditional nonconformist chapels weren't using.- Sure.

0:23:11 > 0:23:14And she was converted, apparently, they say,

0:23:14 > 0:23:17hearing the Salvation Army people preaching and singing

0:23:17 > 0:23:20- on the square in Treherbert.- Really? - When she was 16 years of age.

0:23:20 > 0:23:23- No!- Yes. By the time she was about 20,

0:23:23 > 0:23:26she's up in London moving in the London-Welsh circles there.

0:23:26 > 0:23:30- That's right.- And getting to know people like David Lloyd George.

0:23:30 > 0:23:32Did she really?

0:23:32 > 0:23:35David Lloyd George, actually, was a subscriber, I think.

0:23:35 > 0:23:38- His name is one of the first in the list for the book.- Oh, really?

0:23:38 > 0:23:39- Really.- So they obviously...

0:23:39 > 0:23:43- Of course.- ..obviously, had a link together, in that sense.

0:23:43 > 0:23:47- So she was moving in those Welsh high-society circles.- Yes.

0:23:47 > 0:23:49And she played a very, very prominent role

0:23:49 > 0:23:52in the 1904-1905 revival.

0:23:52 > 0:23:55Over that two-year period of the revival, 1904-1905,

0:23:55 > 0:23:59she preached I think about 500 times altogether.

0:23:59 > 0:24:03- No...- Mainly in North and West Wales.- Extraordinary.

0:24:03 > 0:24:06- So there was a remarkable energy, as well.- That's incredible.

0:24:06 > 0:24:09- People started calling her the Rose of Glamorgan.- Yes.

0:24:09 > 0:24:13- And then she said that people in North Wales didn't like that...- Oh!

0:24:13 > 0:24:15..because they wanted to own her, as well.

0:24:15 > 0:24:20- So she changed her name to the Rose of Wales.- Of Wales - yes!

0:24:22 > 0:24:25And that name followed the very popular Rosina across to America,

0:24:25 > 0:24:27as Dr James can explain.

0:24:27 > 0:24:32- They named a racehorse after her... - No!- ..in Pennsylvania.

0:24:32 > 0:24:34Well, I don't think she would've liked that, at all!

0:24:34 > 0:24:36And she says in her biography,

0:24:36 > 0:24:39"They named this racehorse after me in Pennsylvania,

0:24:39 > 0:24:43"called it the Rose of Wales, and I'm not sure I really like it."

0:24:43 > 0:24:44THEY CHUCKLE

0:24:46 > 0:24:48Oh, it's wonderful!

0:24:50 > 0:24:54Time is now quickly approaching for Sian's performance.

0:24:54 > 0:24:58She's due to recite a poem inside the main pavilion

0:24:58 > 0:25:00in front of 2,500 people,

0:25:00 > 0:25:04a solo performance she last delivered at the age of just 13.

0:25:05 > 0:25:08Sian has memorised the three-minute piece,

0:25:08 > 0:25:11and is feeling more than a little apprehensive.

0:25:11 > 0:25:13It is marvellous to be here,

0:25:13 > 0:25:16but it is a long time since I did this poem

0:25:16 > 0:25:19at the National Eisteddfod,

0:25:19 > 0:25:21and I do feel nervous.

0:25:21 > 0:25:23Yes, I am very nervous, actually.

0:25:29 > 0:25:33Sian has been given her five-minute warning

0:25:33 > 0:25:35and it's time to head backstage.

0:25:38 > 0:25:42She can see thousands of people waiting to see her perform.

0:25:44 > 0:25:47The production team are behind schedule,

0:25:47 > 0:25:48so the wait goes on.

0:25:52 > 0:25:54Sian finally gets her call,

0:25:54 > 0:25:57and it's time for her to perform her poem

0:25:57 > 0:26:00for the first time since 1946.

0:26:00 > 0:26:04Rhowch groeso gwresog, os gwelwch yn dda,

0:26:04 > 0:26:07i'r actores Sian Phillips.

0:26:07 > 0:26:10APPLAUSE

0:26:32 > 0:26:37Baled y Pedwar Brenin gan Cynan.

0:26:39 > 0:26:41O bedair gwlad yn y dwyrain poeth

0:26:41 > 0:26:46cychwynodd y pedwar brenin doeth am eira'r gorllewin,

0:26:46 > 0:26:47dan ganu hyn,

0:26:47 > 0:26:51O, seren glir ar yr eira gwyn.

0:26:51 > 0:26:57Pa fodd, fy Arglwydd, y cefaist ti,

0:26:57 > 0:27:01y perl dros y gaethferch a rhoddais i.

0:27:03 > 0:27:10Yn gymaint a'i wneithir i un o'r rhai hyn.

0:27:10 > 0:27:16Fe gwnaethost ti, Arglwydd, yr eira gwyn.

0:27:16 > 0:27:18APPLAUSE

0:27:20 > 0:27:24Her performance is wonderfully received by the audience.

0:27:24 > 0:27:28A standing ovation in celebration of an incredible career,

0:27:28 > 0:27:31and a performance not seen for 70 years,

0:27:31 > 0:27:34originally performed by a 13-year-old girl

0:27:34 > 0:27:36from Carmarthenshire.

0:27:39 > 0:27:43So, did Sian enjoy coming home to the very stage she started on?

0:27:43 > 0:27:46Yes. It took me right back!

0:27:46 > 0:27:49It was strange doing something I did as a little girl,

0:27:49 > 0:27:51now that I'm old.

0:27:51 > 0:27:52But, erm...

0:27:52 > 0:27:56Because I learned it then when I was young and...

0:27:56 > 0:27:58It was a little bit odd doing it,

0:27:58 > 0:28:01but the audience... I remember that feeling,

0:28:01 > 0:28:05and that kind of audience in this kind of place.

0:28:05 > 0:28:07Yeah. It was great.

0:28:07 > 0:28:10Sian's journey into her past is nearly over.

0:28:11 > 0:28:15She's heard stories of a hero from the Napoleonic Wars,

0:28:15 > 0:28:19and had a decades-old question finally answered.

0:28:19 > 0:28:23So how does she feel about all she's learned about her ancestors?

0:28:23 > 0:28:25I feel wiped out, actually.

0:28:25 > 0:28:29Not because I'm tired, but I do feel...

0:28:29 > 0:28:31I do feel I've been through the mill.

0:28:31 > 0:28:33It's taken me back

0:28:33 > 0:28:35and made me think about a lot of things.

0:28:35 > 0:28:40I've also been reminded, though, how very tough their lives were.

0:28:40 > 0:28:44And, erm, how hard they all had to work,

0:28:44 > 0:28:47very often at things they didn't want to do.

0:28:47 > 0:28:49And, erm...

0:28:49 > 0:28:51I don't know, I...I felt very close to them,

0:28:51 > 0:28:54and I feel I owe those people a lot.

0:28:54 > 0:28:55A lot.

0:28:55 > 0:28:57Everything, really.