0:00:02 > 0:00:03Hello and welcome to the last in this series of Santer.
0:00:09 > 0:00:11On this, the last programme of the series,
0:00:11 > 0:00:15Wilson Burgess solves the mystery surrounding a concrete structure
0:00:15 > 0:00:17on the flow road in Londonderry.
0:00:17 > 0:00:19What it isn't is what it looks like.
0:00:19 > 0:00:21It looks like a garage inspection ramp.
0:00:21 > 0:00:24Emma McDowell and Craig Lutton play together for the first time
0:00:24 > 0:00:25in our musical challenge.
0:00:25 > 0:00:27I think he's a bit enthusiastic,
0:00:27 > 0:00:29we might have to cool him down a wee bit, but we'll get him.
0:00:29 > 0:00:32I'll just follow what you do - you're the pro.
0:00:32 > 0:00:35Mark Wilson reaches his journey's end in Dunedin.
0:00:35 > 0:00:39Now this guy came from Ballyroney in County Down.
0:00:39 > 0:00:41He would be, I would say, in my judgment,
0:00:41 > 0:00:45the greatest Ulsterman to come to New Zealand - and there's been a few.
0:00:45 > 0:00:49And Liam Logan chats to Noreen Hill about growing up in Islandmagee.
0:00:49 > 0:00:51You'll be going on one before long.
0:00:51 > 0:00:54Do you think I have a bit too much beef on me? I think you have, eh?
0:01:02 > 0:01:06But first, music from Ballymena Young Conquerors Flute Band.
0:01:32 > 0:01:34SHE SINGS IN ITALIAN
0:04:15 > 0:04:18Well, Noreen, I wasn't reared in Islandmagee, but you were. Aye.
0:04:19 > 0:04:22And what was it like growing up on a farm here? Oh, it was great.
0:04:22 > 0:04:27It was great, them days, great summers and bad winters,
0:04:27 > 0:04:28that's what it was all about.
0:04:28 > 0:04:30Hard work, plenty of it.
0:04:30 > 0:04:34Spuds to gather every summer.
0:04:34 > 0:04:38The gathering of the spuds is wild hard work. Wild hard on your back, that's right.
0:04:38 > 0:04:42And did you ever get any pay? Aye, you got fed.
0:04:42 > 0:04:45HE LAUGHS That was your pay in them days.
0:04:45 > 0:04:47And did the girls do as much work as the boys?
0:04:47 > 0:04:50Oh, aye, nae choice. Everybody had to work then.
0:04:52 > 0:04:54And did you do a wee bit extra inside?
0:04:54 > 0:04:58No, I didn't want to be inside. You didn't want to be in the house,
0:04:58 > 0:05:00you wanted to be out. So you done nae cooking?
0:05:00 > 0:05:03No, I still cannae cook - so the weans tells me anyway.
0:05:03 > 0:05:04And what about baking?
0:05:04 > 0:05:07I like baking now, that's one thing I do like doing.
0:05:07 > 0:05:10And did you ever make the yellow meal bread?
0:05:10 > 0:05:13No. What about soda? Before my time, that was maybe about your era.
0:05:13 > 0:05:18Aye, you're not wrong! Everything's a low-carb, high-protein diet now.
0:05:18 > 0:05:21That's right, aye, aye. You'll be going on one before long.
0:05:21 > 0:05:22Do you think I have a bit too much beef on me?
0:05:22 > 0:05:24I think you have, eh?!
0:05:24 > 0:05:25HE LAUGHS
0:05:35 > 0:05:37Well, Noreen, I know you have a big interest
0:05:37 > 0:05:40in the history of Islandmagee. That's right, aye.
0:05:40 > 0:05:43I hae plenty of books but I just never get the time to read them.
0:05:43 > 0:05:47Well, we are joined here by Stephen O'Direain, who has actually writ
0:05:47 > 0:05:52one of the books - Islandmagee and Templecorran - A Postcard History.
0:05:52 > 0:05:54Stephen, what inspired you to write the book?
0:05:54 > 0:05:57I met Francie McHugh, whose postcard collection has been
0:05:57 > 0:06:01used in that book, and I thought, well, this is a place where
0:06:01 > 0:06:05the demography is changing rapidly, new people are coming into the area.
0:06:05 > 0:06:07But it's also a place where the older generation
0:06:07 > 0:06:10- for example, Maimie, Noreen's mother -
0:06:10 > 0:06:13were dying off or leaving,
0:06:13 > 0:06:15and all their stories were being forgotten.
0:06:15 > 0:06:18So one of the objectives of the book was to capture their stories,
0:06:18 > 0:06:21to put them in a historical context of Ireland,
0:06:21 > 0:06:25and also to provide an identity for people moving into the area.
0:06:27 > 0:06:31There would be a history here of sailors coming from Islandmagee?
0:06:31 > 0:06:33A tremendous history, there was hardly a family on the island
0:06:33 > 0:06:36that didn't have a member that was either a captain
0:06:36 > 0:06:39or first mate or an able-bodied seaman on each of the merchant ships,
0:06:39 > 0:06:42the schooners, the barques that sailed out of Larne Lough.
0:06:42 > 0:06:44And they're found all over the world. And one time, for example,
0:06:44 > 0:06:47Jack London, in his book Strength Of The Strong,
0:06:47 > 0:06:50talks about the sailors from Islandmagee,
0:06:50 > 0:06:54a Captain McIlra, probably fictional but nonetheless based on fact,
0:06:54 > 0:06:56where he talks about a letter home to his wife,
0:06:56 > 0:06:59complaining about the kind of life they have.
0:07:00 > 0:07:04"Me managing in all seas and weather and perils of the deep,
0:07:04 > 0:07:09"a ship worth ?50,000, with cargoes of times worth 50,000 more,
0:07:09 > 0:07:11"and me with all the responsibility of getting
0:07:11 > 0:07:14"a screw of ?20 a month and damn the risk."
0:07:15 > 0:07:18Now that language that he's using there, Noreen,
0:07:18 > 0:07:20it hasn't changed an awful lot in a hundred years.
0:07:20 > 0:07:23No, it hasnae, in my eyes anyway.
0:07:23 > 0:07:24SHE LAUGHS
0:07:24 > 0:07:27And would they be complaining men from Islandmagee?
0:07:27 > 0:07:29Aye, I would say they were. Men complain anyway,
0:07:29 > 0:07:31no matter where they're from.
0:07:33 > 0:07:37That's all I can tell you! Stephen... Heartfelt thoughts!
0:07:43 > 0:07:46Now, we're talking about a lot of history but, of course, Noreen,
0:07:46 > 0:07:49you hae your own wee bit of history with the local school?
0:07:49 > 0:07:53That's right. And we're going to meet with your wee son, Tommy-Joe.
0:07:55 > 0:07:56What's that you hae in your hand, son?
0:07:56 > 0:08:02Well, this is the school register from 2006.
0:08:02 > 0:08:05I was in P1 and here's my name, Tommy-Joe Hill.
0:08:05 > 0:08:08And I was the youngest boy in the school at that time.
0:08:10 > 0:08:14And then here's another one from when my brother
0:08:14 > 0:08:16was in the school. He was in the school
0:08:16 > 0:08:19at the same time, John-James Hill.
0:08:19 > 0:08:21He was the oldest in the school at the same time
0:08:21 > 0:08:23that I was the youngest.
0:08:23 > 0:08:25Noreen, that was a very historic moment for you there.
0:08:25 > 0:08:28Oh, it was, very historical, yes.
0:08:28 > 0:08:30But he's following in the footsteps of...
0:08:30 > 0:08:33His dad, his granda and his great-granda.
0:08:33 > 0:08:35His great-granda started in 1910.
0:08:35 > 0:08:391910! Aye, he started this school about that year, aye.
0:08:39 > 0:08:42You hardly mind 1910? No, but you would!
0:08:42 > 0:08:43HE LAUGHS
0:08:45 > 0:08:48Is she always as sharp with her tongue, Tommy-Joe? Yeah.
0:08:59 > 0:09:02We'll join Mark Wilson now for the last time, as he finds out
0:09:02 > 0:09:04more fascinating history about the migration
0:09:04 > 0:09:06of the Ulster-Scots to New Zealand.
0:09:23 > 0:09:26I'm now on the last leg of my New Zealand journey,
0:09:26 > 0:09:29and I'm travelling down the east coast towards
0:09:29 > 0:09:33the "Edinburgh of the South", towards the city of Dunedin.
0:09:47 > 0:09:52Liam Kernahan is a Highland Piper born and bred in Dunedin.
0:09:52 > 0:09:53He spends his New Zealand summers playing with
0:09:53 > 0:09:57their Grade One champions - Canterbury, from Christchurch.
0:09:57 > 0:10:00But then, in New Zealand winter, which is of course our summer,
0:10:00 > 0:10:01he travels to Scotland to compete
0:10:01 > 0:10:03with the Boghall and Bathgate Pipe Band.
0:10:05 > 0:10:07For me that was a really good opportunity,
0:10:07 > 0:10:10because you can play in New Zealand and you can get really, really good here,
0:10:10 > 0:10:12but if you want to test your skills,
0:10:12 > 0:10:14you've got to do it over there against the best in the business.
0:10:14 > 0:10:17And with Boghall, you actually did come over and test it
0:10:17 > 0:10:20against the best in the business, over in Northern Ireland
0:10:20 > 0:10:23against our own Field Marshal at the European Championships at Stormont.
0:10:23 > 0:10:27Absolutely. So, I arrived the Monday before Belfast,
0:10:27 > 0:10:30and I sort of had a pretty quick initiation into the band
0:10:30 > 0:10:34and getting the MSR's and things like that for Belfast.
0:10:34 > 0:10:37And we arrived and managed to win the title on the day,
0:10:37 > 0:10:40which was huge for me, because it is a dream you have as a kid
0:10:40 > 0:10:43when you start playing - to be able to play up at that level.
0:10:43 > 0:10:45So to be able to go and take it from Field Marshal,
0:10:45 > 0:10:48who are a phenomenal band, was something really, really special
0:10:48 > 0:10:49and I won't forget it ever.
0:10:57 > 0:11:00They got their own back on you a couple of weeks later at the worlds
0:11:00 > 0:11:02when they won the World Championships,
0:11:02 > 0:11:04but you kind of turned round and said,
0:11:04 > 0:11:07"Hey, guys, that wasn't a fluke" at Cowal Championships in Dunoon.
0:11:07 > 0:11:10To take it against the world champions again was something special,
0:11:10 > 0:11:13and there's not many bands that get to win two majors in a year,
0:11:13 > 0:11:16and there's not many Kiwis that get that opportunity,
0:11:16 > 0:11:18so I was just ecstatic, over the moon.
0:11:31 > 0:11:34Dunedin was established in 1848 specifically to be
0:11:34 > 0:11:36a Scottish Free Church settlement.
0:11:36 > 0:11:39The founder's preference was to have Scottish settlers
0:11:39 > 0:11:41ministered only by Scottish preachers.
0:11:41 > 0:11:45However, that didn't prevent one Ulsterman making his mark.
0:11:45 > 0:11:48That was Reverend Rutherford Waddell,
0:11:48 > 0:11:52pictured here at the pulpit of what was St Andrew's Church in Dunedin.
0:11:52 > 0:11:56This guy came from Ballyroney in County Down.
0:11:56 > 0:11:59Ballyroney, just the other side of Banbridge, the town I'm from.
0:11:59 > 0:12:01He wanted to be a Presbyterian missionary to Syria
0:12:01 > 0:12:03but he was rejected as unsuitable for the job.
0:12:03 > 0:12:06He then tried out for a ministerial post at Six Road Ends.
0:12:06 > 0:12:10near where you're from too, would it? Yes, that's back in Ulster as well. OK.
0:12:10 > 0:12:13So he had a trial sermon, and it was brilliant,
0:12:13 > 0:12:15but the congregation thought it was too good.
0:12:15 > 0:12:16They were a bit suspicious.
0:12:16 > 0:12:18They thought he was knocking-off Spurgeon,
0:12:18 > 0:12:20whose published sermons were widely available.
0:12:20 > 0:12:22He wasn't. He'd never heard of Spurgeon,
0:12:22 > 0:12:25never read any of his work. He was just a really good preacher.
0:12:25 > 0:12:29But they rejected him. So, like many failed people
0:12:29 > 0:12:32in the homeland at that time, he opted to come to New Zealand
0:12:32 > 0:12:34for a second chance, and he was brought out here by
0:12:34 > 0:12:36the Canterbury people in Christchurch,
0:12:36 > 0:12:38and he started his ministerial career up there.
0:12:38 > 0:12:42But he came and filled in here in 1879, I think it was, late 1870s,
0:12:42 > 0:12:45when they were short of a minister and had sent home to Scotland.
0:12:45 > 0:12:48They wanted the real McCoy, from Scotland, that's where you get the best ministers.
0:12:48 > 0:12:52They thought they'd get the best Presbyterian minister from Scotland? They get this Irish guy,
0:12:52 > 0:12:56"He'll do for a month. He's just filling-in." But the first sermon, they thought,
0:12:56 > 0:12:58"Hang on a minute - here's the boy, this is what we want.
0:12:58 > 0:13:01"Cancel the order to Scotland, we'll have this man."
0:13:01 > 0:13:03So he stayed here for the rest of his career.
0:13:03 > 0:13:06But eventually they built a church here, and away it went.
0:13:06 > 0:13:08But it became a very interesting area.
0:13:08 > 0:13:11This area was actually called The Devil's Half-Acre
0:13:11 > 0:13:13and it was a place to be avoided -
0:13:13 > 0:13:15drug dens, brothels, you know, drunkards,
0:13:15 > 0:13:18hotels galore, fighting, you know. It wasn't a good place to be.
0:13:18 > 0:13:20So he's sitting right on the edge of it,
0:13:20 > 0:13:22but he's not looking down his nose at it.
0:13:22 > 0:13:24He investigated the working conditions of people
0:13:24 > 0:13:26in his parish, who were really struggling
0:13:26 > 0:13:28and having to work long hours for minimum wages.
0:13:28 > 0:13:33And he preached a famous sermon here in 1888 - "The Sin of Cheapness."
0:13:33 > 0:13:35He pointed the finger at people in his congregation who were
0:13:35 > 0:13:37wealthy Presbyterian employers of labour,
0:13:37 > 0:13:40exploiting these poor women who were living all round here in poverty.
0:13:42 > 0:13:44And from that, all sorts of things happened. It's a long story
0:13:44 > 0:13:47but the end result was that working conditions in New Zealand
0:13:47 > 0:13:50became regulated by acts of Parliament to contain the length of work,
0:13:50 > 0:13:53the conditions in which people worked - it was a real revolution.
0:13:53 > 0:13:56And it led to New Zealand being seen as a social laboratory for this world.
0:13:56 > 0:13:59And you can really shoot a lot of that home to this man,
0:13:59 > 0:14:02and that's a wonderful contribution, which is kind of overlooked now,
0:14:02 > 0:14:04he's sort of forgotten about, but in his time,
0:14:04 > 0:14:06he was a real giant, I think.
0:14:06 > 0:14:09One of the difficulties with Rutherford Waddell was
0:14:09 > 0:14:11he abhorred biography. He didn't want people writing about him
0:14:11 > 0:14:14after he died, so he destroyed all his personal papers.
0:14:14 > 0:14:16So all the scholars in New Zealand who should be
0:14:16 > 0:14:19talking about this guy - there should be biographies galore -
0:14:19 > 0:14:21there's nothing to work with.
0:14:21 > 0:14:23So he's sort of been forgotten about,
0:14:23 > 0:14:26because he would be, I would say, in my judgment,
0:14:26 > 0:14:28the greatest Ulsterman to come to New Zealand, and there's been a few.
0:14:28 > 0:14:29MARK LAUGHS
0:14:29 > 0:14:32There certainly has been a few, in fact,
0:14:32 > 0:14:36many thousands of Ulster-Scots came here looking for a new life.
0:14:36 > 0:14:40And I have found the history of that migration fascinating.
0:14:40 > 0:14:42And of course, I've also enjoyed getting
0:14:42 > 0:14:43a few wee rattles on the drum.
0:15:36 > 0:15:39Gibson, do you ever watch thon Great British Bake Off?
0:15:40 > 0:15:44Oh, that's that programme about plastic surgery, isn't it?
0:15:44 > 0:15:47No, it's nothing to do with plastic surgery!
0:15:47 > 0:15:49It's baking in the English sense,
0:15:49 > 0:15:51with an oven and flour and eggs and yeast.
0:15:51 > 0:15:54Oh, you mean cooking-baking? I thought you meant "bake" as your face.
0:15:55 > 0:15:59That's the Ulster-Scots word - it means your face.
0:15:59 > 0:16:01Your bake, that's your neb and your een and your mooth and that.
0:16:01 > 0:16:04If you happen to come home from the pub, and you had more drink
0:16:04 > 0:16:08on you than you should hae, the wife might beat the bake off you.
0:16:08 > 0:16:09Or slap the bake off you!
0:16:11 > 0:16:14And if you wanted somebody to shut up,
0:16:14 > 0:16:16you would ask them politely... "Shut your bake."
0:16:16 > 0:16:18THEY LAUGH
0:16:27 > 0:16:31The Pride of Ballinran Flute Band from Kilkeel play their music
0:16:31 > 0:16:32with Miller Wicks flutes.
0:16:32 > 0:16:35That's hardly surprising, considering that three of their members actually
0:16:35 > 0:16:39mak' the flutes in a wee workshop at the back of one of their houses.
0:16:41 > 0:16:44Us three have come through the ranks of the band.
0:16:44 > 0:16:48I formed the band in 1980, and Kenneth and Paul
0:16:48 > 0:16:50have been in the band a number of years.
0:16:58 > 0:17:01In the mid-eighties, we made contact with a flute manufacturer
0:17:01 > 0:17:05in London called Miller Wicks.
0:17:05 > 0:17:06The Miller Wicks
0:17:06 > 0:17:08- there was John Wicks and John Miller -
0:17:08 > 0:17:10were coming to retirement age.
0:17:10 > 0:17:14And the comment was passed that we would love to continue
0:17:14 > 0:17:18the tradition of making the Miller Wicks flutes.
0:17:18 > 0:17:23So I jumped on a lorry, made my way down to Romford in Essex,
0:17:23 > 0:17:26and this workshop that John Wicks
0:17:26 > 0:17:30had was down at the bottom of a garden.
0:17:30 > 0:17:35And there was a tear in John's eyes when he seen these machines leaving.
0:17:35 > 0:17:39We had all the machinery set up, and we now had to start making flutes,
0:17:39 > 0:17:41which we hadn't a clue how to do.
0:17:54 > 0:17:58We persuaded John Wicks to come over to Kilkeel, and John spent
0:17:58 > 0:18:05five weeks in Kilkeel learning Paul and ourselves how to make flutes.
0:18:06 > 0:18:10This is our finished B-flat flute, and this is the timber that we use.
0:18:10 > 0:18:12It's an African blackwood.
0:18:12 > 0:18:15This timber is used because of its density,
0:18:15 > 0:18:19and the Wicks company has used this from the very start.
0:18:24 > 0:18:26FLUTE MUSIC CONTINUES
0:18:29 > 0:18:32The technical side isn't with me, it's with Paul and Kenneth.
0:18:33 > 0:18:36We want to make sure that the bore is smooth and there's no
0:18:36 > 0:18:40defects inside it. And that's very good, I'm very happy with that.
0:18:51 > 0:18:54Kenny's assembling this flute at the minute now,
0:18:54 > 0:18:58and whenever we brought the company to Northern Ireland here,
0:18:58 > 0:19:01these men actually made these pillars,
0:19:01 > 0:19:03and you can see the size of them.
0:19:03 > 0:19:06How small they are, and the tread and all that's on them.
0:19:06 > 0:19:11We bring them in, we buy them now. We couldn't do that.
0:19:11 > 0:19:14Although we're not making these pillars and stuff here now,
0:19:14 > 0:19:18there's still a lot of work involved in putting these keys on,
0:19:18 > 0:19:21and there's no way of getting round without doing it by hand.
0:19:21 > 0:19:25And it's just a slow process, and there's great satisfaction
0:19:25 > 0:19:30whenever you get it all together and just...
0:19:31 > 0:19:33..hopefully, it should be playing then.
0:19:35 > 0:19:39And because we love playing a flute so much, I get to try it out.
0:19:54 > 0:19:57The band is playing the Miller Wicks flutes and we are
0:19:57 > 0:20:02making them from scratch in Kilkeel. It's a great achievement.
0:20:02 > 0:20:05Like a small, three boys from Northern Ireland making
0:20:05 > 0:20:08quality flutes that come from London?
0:20:08 > 0:20:09Sure, anybody would be proud.
0:20:18 > 0:20:19If you're oot and aboot across the province,
0:20:19 > 0:20:23you might well come across some old buildings or concrete structures
0:20:23 > 0:20:25and wonder what they used to be.
0:20:25 > 0:20:27Well, more often than not they'll have been connected to the
0:20:27 > 0:20:30Second World War, as Wilson Burgess found out near Londonderry.
0:20:32 > 0:20:35Boys, we're just walking along this old flow road here,
0:20:35 > 0:20:40and it's a real cold old day, but one of the things that I noticed here,
0:20:40 > 0:20:42and maybe you two men could fill me in about it,
0:20:42 > 0:20:46is this building out here in the middle of this field.
0:20:46 > 0:20:47What it isn't is what it looks like.
0:20:47 > 0:20:49It looks like a garage inspection ramp.
0:20:49 > 0:20:54It's actually a radar site, and it's there since the Second World War.
0:20:56 > 0:21:00Over in the next field behind the greenery there, we have the gun site,
0:21:00 > 0:21:04which had four heavy anti-aircraft guns, plus the command post,
0:21:04 > 0:21:07and a little bit further down, the ammunitions storage.
0:21:07 > 0:21:10And then behind us, over here,
0:21:10 > 0:21:13was the actual camp that the soldiers were billeted in.
0:21:16 > 0:21:20Well, I'm ignorant in these things, but with the radar site
0:21:20 > 0:21:22and the gun site combined,
0:21:22 > 0:21:25were they getting information from each other, how did that work?
0:21:25 > 0:21:28Well, the radar site provided information to the guns.
0:21:28 > 0:21:31It was subject to an awful lot of interference,
0:21:31 > 0:21:34and if you were living here at that time or walking along this road
0:21:34 > 0:21:37at that time, there would have been a very strange sight.
0:21:37 > 0:21:39That was not a green field. Why?
0:21:39 > 0:21:43Because the entire field was covered with chicken wire
0:21:43 > 0:21:47raised above the level of the ground that you can see here.
0:21:47 > 0:21:50That wasn't unique, it wasn't just here.
0:21:50 > 0:21:54Right across the United Kingdom on all these anti-aircraft gun sites,
0:21:54 > 0:21:59to try to get a cleaner picture on the radar, somebody came up with the
0:21:59 > 0:22:03bright idea that you could create a flat surface around the radar.
0:22:03 > 0:22:07And that was done by buying up all the chicken wire
0:22:07 > 0:22:12in the United Kingdom, 3,500 miles of stay wire,
0:22:12 > 0:22:14and heaven alone knows how many
0:22:14 > 0:22:17hundreds of thousands of paling posts.
0:22:17 > 0:22:21I would wonder what the chickens did with all this wire
0:22:21 > 0:22:23when it was all bought up for this war effort,
0:22:23 > 0:22:25were they running free or what was going on there?
0:22:25 > 0:22:28Well, I don't think they actually requisitioned the wire that
0:22:28 > 0:22:31was already keeping chickens in, but anybody who was looking for
0:22:31 > 0:22:35new chicken wire for a chicken run, really was going to have to wait.
0:22:36 > 0:22:38Bill, I cannae leave you out of this conversation.
0:22:38 > 0:22:40You were a local lad here.
0:22:40 > 0:22:43As a wean you were running up and down these roads here
0:22:43 > 0:22:45when the army was about this place,
0:22:45 > 0:22:48it must have been exciting. It was very exciting.
0:22:48 > 0:22:51We would have been stopped, talking to the sentry over the road here,
0:22:51 > 0:22:53and he would have been having a wee chat with us
0:22:53 > 0:22:55and got to know our names and one thing and another.
0:22:55 > 0:22:59Do you remember the chicken wire? I remember we wondered what it was for a good while
0:22:59 > 0:23:02when we saw them putting it up here, you know. You didn't think the army
0:23:02 > 0:23:04was going to rear chickens or anything like that?
0:23:04 > 0:23:07Definitely not, because they wouldn't have stayed in it.
0:23:09 > 0:23:11Was it effective, this defence?
0:23:11 > 0:23:14Was there any bombing went on in Londonderry at that time?
0:23:14 > 0:23:17Well, there were actually two raids.
0:23:17 > 0:23:21People remember one of them, because the first one in April 1941,
0:23:21 > 0:23:26Easter Tuesday night, there were 14 people killed in Messines Park.
0:23:26 > 0:23:29Houses demolished and literally well over 100,
0:23:29 > 0:23:32nearly 200 houses badly damaged.
0:23:32 > 0:23:34The second raid that I mentioned,
0:23:34 > 0:23:38nobody in the town knows about it because they missed completely,
0:23:38 > 0:23:40they actually dropped their bombs on a hillside
0:23:40 > 0:23:45outside Malin in Donegal, which is about 20-odd miles away.
0:23:45 > 0:23:48We lived about a mile and a half from here and the people all headed
0:23:48 > 0:23:52out of the town, and they ended up in our house for shelter,
0:23:52 > 0:23:56and then when I went outside, the barn was full of people too, so it was.
0:23:58 > 0:24:01Well, after this, boys, anybody that's running up and down
0:24:01 > 0:24:03the flow road will know what exactly this is,
0:24:03 > 0:24:05and I just want to say thank you very much
0:24:05 > 0:24:08for all the information you have given us today.
0:24:13 > 0:24:15Emma McDowell, who plays with Cullybackey,
0:24:15 > 0:24:18is one of the youngest Grade One female Highland Pipers in Ulster
0:24:18 > 0:24:21but she had never played the Lowland Pipes.
0:24:21 > 0:24:23OFF-KEY SKIRL
0:24:23 > 0:24:25All right, go again then.
0:24:25 > 0:24:28Craig Lutton is a percussionist with Kellswater Flute Band
0:24:28 > 0:24:32and the Lightning Drum Corps, but he had never played the bodhran.
0:24:32 > 0:24:36I think the Indians are coming over the hill here. MAN LAUGHS
0:24:36 > 0:24:38John Wayne riding up the mountain.
0:24:39 > 0:24:41But both were willing to take us up on our challenge
0:24:41 > 0:24:43to learn these instruments to a standard
0:24:43 > 0:24:47guid eneuch to play in public at an Ulster-Scots session.
0:24:47 > 0:24:49Now they play together for the first time,
0:24:49 > 0:24:51two or three hours before that session.
0:24:57 > 0:25:00I feel pretty good, I'm really looking forward to this, this is
0:25:00 > 0:25:02going to be something different
0:25:02 > 0:25:03and I think we've both come a long way, so we have.
0:25:03 > 0:25:05I'm looking forward to it too.
0:25:05 > 0:25:09It's a lot different than playing in a band, like a pipe band,
0:25:09 > 0:25:10so I really enjoy doing it.
0:25:10 > 0:25:13I just think it's a big experience for me.
0:25:13 > 0:25:16I might keep at it, you know, just keep on doing it, it's good.
0:25:18 > 0:25:20Just watch you don't go high, OK?
0:25:20 > 0:25:23A wee bit more pressure on you, a wee bit more tense, you'll put more
0:25:23 > 0:25:26pressure on the bag and you'll send the chanter a wee bit sharper, OK?
0:25:26 > 0:25:27I think he's a bit enthusiastic,
0:25:27 > 0:25:30we might have to cool him down a wee bit, but we'll get him!
0:25:30 > 0:25:32I'll just follow what you do, you're the pro.
0:25:32 > 0:25:35'Every lesson's been great craic with Gino,
0:25:35 > 0:25:38'it's a whole new ball game from day one, getting a new drum'
0:25:38 > 0:25:40that I haven't even touched before, you know.
0:25:40 > 0:25:42I never thought I would come to a day
0:25:42 > 0:25:45I would find something else I haven't played. It's been great.
0:25:45 > 0:25:48Breathe, don't forget to breathe. I know, I'm trying.
0:25:57 > 0:26:00You just have to watch the nerves so it doesn't lift in tempo,
0:26:00 > 0:26:01so always think slow.
0:26:01 > 0:26:03Always think slow, because it will be faster.
0:26:03 > 0:26:05I'm looking forward to it,
0:26:05 > 0:26:08like, just getting along with other instruments and stuff.
0:26:08 > 0:26:09It's going to be good.
0:26:09 > 0:26:11Well, let's see now just how good,
0:26:11 > 0:26:13as Craig and Emma are joined by other musicians
0:26:13 > 0:26:17to play us out on this, the last show of the series.
0:26:17 > 0:26:19We hope to see you again shortly. Cheerio.
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0:29:14 > 0:29:16Hello. Well, it's a mainly dry night coming up
0:29:16 > 0:29:19but a chilly one as well with perhaps the odd pocket of ground frost.
0:29:19 > 0:29:21Then tomorrow it's a mainly dry day.
0:29:21 > 0:29:23Probably not huge amounts of sunshine.
0:29:23 > 0:29:25Cloud will start to spill in from the south
0:29:25 > 0:29:28through the course of the day, but apart from the odd spot of rain,
0:29:28 > 0:29:31as I say, it's dry and there should be a few bright spells.
0:29:31 > 0:29:34Make the most of it by Friday, with heavy rain on the way
0:29:34 > 0:29:37and an early warning has been issued once again.