0:00:13 > 0:00:17"Exciting", "pioneering", "dangerous".
0:00:17 > 0:00:22Words used to describe British comedy's original bad boys,
0:00:22 > 0:00:24Peter Cook and Dudley Moore.
0:00:24 > 0:00:26They were pushing at humour's boundaries
0:00:26 > 0:00:31from the moment they burst onto the scene in the 1960s.
0:00:31 > 0:00:35Peter Cook was then widely considered the funniest man alive.
0:00:35 > 0:00:38Moore was, for a time, Hollywood's unlikeliest sex symbol.
0:00:40 > 0:00:42As part of the legendary Beyond The Fringe group,
0:00:42 > 0:00:45along with Jonathan Miller and Alan Bennett,
0:00:45 > 0:00:48they were leading lights in the satirical movement,
0:00:48 > 0:00:52setting their sights on politics, royalty and the class system.
0:00:53 > 0:00:56They then paired off together on television
0:00:56 > 0:00:58with Not Only... But Also,
0:00:58 > 0:01:01and onstage with hit shows like Behind The Fridge.
0:01:02 > 0:01:06We'll start with a glimpse of them after one performance and a taste of
0:01:06 > 0:01:09the spontaneous way they always bounced off each other.
0:01:09 > 0:01:13# The overture is about to start
0:01:13 > 0:01:16# You cross your fingers and hold your heart
0:01:16 > 0:01:19# It's curtain time and away we go
0:01:19 > 0:01:23# Another openin' of another show
0:01:23 > 0:01:25# Another openin'... #
0:01:25 > 0:01:28- What did you think of the show tonight?- I thought it was OK.
0:01:28 > 0:01:32I thought the tiny one was a little pushy.
0:01:32 > 0:01:33- The little chap?- Yes.
0:01:33 > 0:01:35He was a bit sort of... I don't know, he seemed to mug a lot.
0:01:35 > 0:01:39- Yes. He goes over the top quite a lot.- Goes over the top.
0:01:39 > 0:01:41I enjoyed the bit when the...
0:01:41 > 0:01:45- You know that thing comes down? What's it called?- The thing?
0:01:45 > 0:01:46- No, the curtain.- Yes.
0:01:46 > 0:01:48I thought that was tremendously well done.
0:01:48 > 0:01:50- Yes.- It came down on cue.
0:01:50 > 0:01:53- Yes.- And one had a chance to get out...
0:01:53 > 0:01:54And get out of the blasted theatre.
0:01:54 > 0:01:57- Yes, I thought that was nice. - Yes, I enjoyed that. I quite...
0:01:57 > 0:02:00I thought in a way it was rather like a fine wine, you know.
0:02:00 > 0:02:02- Yes.- It didn't travel.
0:02:02 > 0:02:04- No.- Do you travel much?
0:02:04 > 0:02:05- Seldom.- Seldom, yes.
0:02:05 > 0:02:08It's best to stay in the same place for about a year, isn't it?
0:02:08 > 0:02:10Who are you, by the way?
0:02:10 > 0:02:13You met me about a second ago.
0:02:13 > 0:02:15- That's right.- I'm that chap you met about a second ago.
0:02:15 > 0:02:18That's right, yes, yes, silly of me.
0:02:18 > 0:02:20Yes. Well, very nice to see you and...
0:02:20 > 0:02:21Well, good luck with the thing.
0:02:21 > 0:02:23Yes, I hope everything...
0:02:23 > 0:02:24- Yes, it will. - Is she still...?
0:02:24 > 0:02:28She's a little... As you can imagine, she had one of those...
0:02:28 > 0:02:29Well, I understand, but...
0:02:29 > 0:02:31Mine was having, sort of, you know...
0:02:31 > 0:02:33Henry, you know, he had one of his...
0:02:33 > 0:02:35Did he? Twice.
0:02:35 > 0:02:36Yes. Anyway, awfully nice.
0:02:36 > 0:02:39Nice to see you, and I'll be seeing you...
0:02:39 > 0:02:41Well, in about, I should say, about a second.
0:02:44 > 0:02:47Cook and Moore revelled in the ridiculous.
0:02:47 > 0:02:51They enjoyed nothing more than cracking up at each other's jokes,
0:02:51 > 0:02:53and created in their Pete and Dud personas
0:02:53 > 0:02:57one of the funniest double acts ever seen on television.
0:02:57 > 0:03:01Here's a little glimpse of Dudley appearing as Dud and others
0:03:01 > 0:03:05on the BBC Two review programme Late Night Line-Up,
0:03:05 > 0:03:07introduced by Joan Bakewell.
0:03:11 > 0:03:16And now, Not Only... But Also. When this series originally opened,
0:03:16 > 0:03:19it received rather mixed reviews from the television critics
0:03:19 > 0:03:21of the national press,
0:03:21 > 0:03:23but by the time the series ended,
0:03:23 > 0:03:25this had changed to national acclaim.
0:03:25 > 0:03:27Well, in view of the fact of the attention
0:03:27 > 0:03:29that this programme has commanded,
0:03:29 > 0:03:33we have invited several critics along tonight to talk about it.
0:03:33 > 0:03:36Here they are, introduced by Dudley Moore.
0:03:36 > 0:03:39Good evening. Tonight, we have a discussion
0:03:39 > 0:03:42of the programme Not Only... But Also,
0:03:42 > 0:03:45and with me in the studio to discuss the programme,
0:03:45 > 0:03:48we have critic Lyndon Prubes.
0:03:48 > 0:03:50Good evening.
0:03:50 > 0:03:54And joining him, two newcomers to Late Night Line-Up.
0:03:54 > 0:03:57First, the sweetheart of the Drury Lane
0:03:57 > 0:04:01and the star of many musical comedy hits of yesteryear,
0:04:01 > 0:04:05such as My Ukulele Dreamboat and Sweet Jimmy O'Casey,
0:04:05 > 0:04:08Miss Deirdre Flank.
0:04:08 > 0:04:10That's going back quite a bit, isn't it?
0:04:10 > 0:04:12Good evening.
0:04:12 > 0:04:14Secondly, someone who is directly connected
0:04:14 > 0:04:16with the programme every week...
0:04:17 > 0:04:19..Dud.
0:04:20 > 0:04:23Oh, sorry. Uh, good evening.
0:04:24 > 0:04:30I'd like to start the ball rolling with a question to Lyndon Prubes.
0:04:30 > 0:04:33Lyndon, do you think there's a danger
0:04:33 > 0:04:36that this kind of programme might give birth
0:04:36 > 0:04:39to a lot of second-rate imitations
0:04:39 > 0:04:42and thus contaminate television viewing for people?
0:04:42 > 0:04:47Well, I think the damage has been done already, hasn't it, really?
0:04:47 > 0:04:50I mean, if people can't think of anything more original
0:04:50 > 0:04:53than doing sketches and having musical items,
0:04:53 > 0:04:55then I'm very sorry for them.
0:04:55 > 0:04:58I mean, we have seen it all before, haven't we?
0:04:58 > 0:05:01Mind you, the stars of this show,
0:05:01 > 0:05:05Peter Cook and Dudley Moore, are frightfully young.
0:05:05 > 0:05:09I mean, they probably haven't seen very much of life.
0:05:09 > 0:05:12Perhaps with a little more experience of people
0:05:12 > 0:05:16and the real earthiness of life and life as it's really lived,
0:05:16 > 0:05:20this crude clay of modern living,
0:05:20 > 0:05:22then perhaps they'll produce
0:05:22 > 0:05:26something more compelling and pertinent for us.
0:05:26 > 0:05:28Thank you very much, Lyndon.
0:05:28 > 0:05:31Miss Flank, or Deirdre, if I can call you that,
0:05:31 > 0:05:35you were the toast of the West End some 30 years ago, weren't you,
0:05:35 > 0:05:38before Cook and Moore were born.
0:05:38 > 0:05:40What do you think of the mixture,
0:05:40 > 0:05:43this new mixture of satire and whimsy
0:05:43 > 0:05:46that people term "the new comedy"?
0:05:46 > 0:05:47Well...
0:05:47 > 0:05:51it seems to me that the new comedy merely consists
0:05:51 > 0:05:53of saying filthy words like...
0:05:54 > 0:05:57..B-L-O-O-D-Y.
0:05:57 > 0:06:00And you especially seem to favour that word more than it deserves.
0:06:00 > 0:06:02- Bloody sauce.- Urgh!
0:06:05 > 0:06:07A year after that appearance,
0:06:07 > 0:06:13Late Night Line-Up was celebrating its 1,000th episode.
0:06:13 > 0:06:17To mark the occasion, the programme came live from Soho
0:06:17 > 0:06:23and let Cook and Moore take the proceedings over completely.
0:06:23 > 0:06:26Who would have thought 1,000 years ago...
0:06:26 > 0:06:29LAUGHTER
0:06:29 > 0:06:31..that we would be sitting here today...
0:06:32 > 0:06:35..on the millionth anniversary...
0:06:36 > 0:06:38..of Late Night Line-Up
0:06:38 > 0:06:41or LNMRSNUP,
0:06:41 > 0:06:46as it's known to intimates and sophisticates all over the world.
0:06:46 > 0:06:48I don't know, who would have thought, Pete?
0:06:48 > 0:06:50That was a rhetorical question, Dud,
0:06:50 > 0:06:52it wasn't actually seriously concerned
0:06:52 > 0:06:55with the individuality of the person who'd have thought it.
0:06:55 > 0:06:57- I see.- And anyone who spends his time
0:06:57 > 0:07:00thinking up what two stupid people
0:07:00 > 0:07:03sitting at the table in 1,000 years' time would be doing,
0:07:03 > 0:07:05must be out of their mind.
0:07:05 > 0:07:09I think we must proffer our heartfelt congratulations
0:07:09 > 0:07:12- to Mr David Attenborough here. - Bless his heart.- Bless his heart.
0:07:12 > 0:07:15- Bless his cotton socks. - APPLAUSE
0:07:15 > 0:07:21Who moved on from the heady world of making wonderful documentary films
0:07:21 > 0:07:24about the mating habits of Armand and Michaela Denis...
0:07:24 > 0:07:27LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE
0:07:27 > 0:07:30..to pioneer a system of television
0:07:30 > 0:07:33unrivalled throughout the whole human world.
0:07:33 > 0:07:35Not to mention ants.
0:07:35 > 0:07:38I'm looking forward, actually, to this colour change business.
0:07:38 > 0:07:42- What, the advent? - No, the colour change on BBC Two.
0:07:42 > 0:07:45The advent of colour television on BBC Two?
0:07:45 > 0:07:46Yeah. I'm looking forward to that.
0:07:46 > 0:07:48Bringing as it does... I mean,
0:07:48 > 0:07:50in the past, we have had to sit through
0:07:50 > 0:07:53grey, dismal programmes in black and white.
0:07:53 > 0:07:57Now we can watch dismal red, blue and green programmes.
0:07:57 > 0:08:00- I wouldn't say that. - No? Wouldn't you?
0:08:00 > 0:08:03- No, I said it, so there's no reason why you should...- No reason.
0:08:06 > 0:08:10There we saw Pete and Dud working very much together,
0:08:10 > 0:08:14but they were equally well-known for the individual performances
0:08:14 > 0:08:16that were part of their shows.
0:08:16 > 0:08:19Dudley was one of the most gifted pianists of his generation,
0:08:19 > 0:08:22renowned for frenzied performances of the classics,
0:08:22 > 0:08:26delivered with his own comic twist.
0:08:26 > 0:08:29Peter's solo routines tended to be more low-key.
0:08:29 > 0:08:32One of his most popular characters
0:08:32 > 0:08:34was the famously dull EL Wisty,
0:08:34 > 0:08:36who came up in this Parkinson show
0:08:36 > 0:08:40featuring the entire cast of Beyond The Fringe.
0:08:40 > 0:08:41Where do you get your material from?
0:08:41 > 0:08:46Do you actually, sort of, pick up bits of what people say,
0:08:46 > 0:08:48or is it right from the top of your head?
0:08:48 > 0:08:51Not very much. I don't pick up from what people say.
0:08:51 > 0:08:55There happens to be one number in the show which actually is based on
0:08:55 > 0:08:57somebody I knew,
0:08:57 > 0:09:00who was a don at Cambridge who was very bored...
0:09:01 > 0:09:05..with his life as a don in that he was delivering the same lecture
0:09:05 > 0:09:09every day. It was the same lecture and I realised very quickly
0:09:09 > 0:09:13when I went to Cambridge that I didn't need to go to lectures.
0:09:13 > 0:09:16All I had to do was buy the book and read it, you know.
0:09:16 > 0:09:20So that is based on real life, but on the whole things come from...
0:09:20 > 0:09:22inside me when I'm writing.
0:09:22 > 0:09:25- What about EL Wisty? - EL Wisty, he came from nowhere.
0:09:25 > 0:09:27I have never met anybody like him.
0:09:27 > 0:09:28I trust I never do.
0:09:30 > 0:09:32- He's coming up now, actually. - He came from inside me.
0:09:32 > 0:09:34- Is he coming up now? - Yes, we've got his hat and his coat.
0:09:34 > 0:09:35Hat and coat?
0:09:35 > 0:09:38APPLAUSE
0:09:42 > 0:09:43Cor blimey.
0:09:44 > 0:09:46The original EL Wisty.
0:09:48 > 0:09:50Oh, good evening.
0:09:50 > 0:09:55Yes, I could have been a judge, but I never had the Latin.
0:09:55 > 0:09:57I never had the Latin for the judging.
0:09:57 > 0:09:59I just never had sufficient of it
0:09:59 > 0:10:02to get through the rigorous judging exams.
0:10:02 > 0:10:04They're noted for their rigour.
0:10:04 > 0:10:09People come staggering out saying, "My God, what a rigorous exam."
0:10:09 > 0:10:12And so I became a miner instead.
0:10:12 > 0:10:14A coal miner.
0:10:14 > 0:10:17I managed to get through the mining exams.
0:10:17 > 0:10:19They are not very rigorous.
0:10:19 > 0:10:20They only ask you one question.
0:10:20 > 0:10:23They say, "Who are you?"
0:10:23 > 0:10:26And I got 75% on that.
0:10:26 > 0:10:28Of course, it's quite interesting
0:10:28 > 0:10:30getting hold of lumps of coal all day.
0:10:30 > 0:10:32It's a very interesting job.
0:10:32 > 0:10:35The trouble with it is the people.
0:10:35 > 0:10:38I'm not saying you get a load of riffraff down the mine.
0:10:38 > 0:10:40I'm not saying that.
0:10:40 > 0:10:43I'm just saying we had a load of riffraff down my mine.
0:10:44 > 0:10:47Very boring conversation.
0:10:47 > 0:10:49Extremely boring.
0:10:49 > 0:10:53All they could talk about is about what goes on in the mine.
0:10:53 > 0:10:55I mean, it was very boring.
0:10:55 > 0:10:57If you were searching for a word
0:10:57 > 0:11:01to describe the conversations that go on down the mine,
0:11:01 > 0:11:04"boring" would spring to your lips.
0:11:05 > 0:11:07Oh, they are very boring indeed.
0:11:07 > 0:11:10If ever you want to hear things like...
0:11:10 > 0:11:13"Hello, I've found a bit of coal..."
0:11:13 > 0:11:16LAUGHTER
0:11:18 > 0:11:22"Have you really?" "Yes, there's no doubt about it.
0:11:22 > 0:11:26"This black substance is coal all right."
0:11:26 > 0:11:29"Jolly good. The very thing we're looking for."
0:11:30 > 0:11:33It's not enough to keep the mind alive, is it?
0:11:33 > 0:11:35Whoops!
0:11:35 > 0:11:40Did you notice that I suddenly said, "Whoops!"?
0:11:41 > 0:11:44I suddenly said, "Whoops!"
0:11:44 > 0:11:47It's an impediment I got from being down the mine,
0:11:47 > 0:11:53cos one day, I was walking along in the dark when I came across
0:11:53 > 0:11:56the body of a dead pit pony.
0:11:56 > 0:11:58"Whoops!" I went...
0:11:58 > 0:11:59in surprise.
0:11:59 > 0:12:02And ever since then I've been going, "Whoops!"
0:12:02 > 0:12:05And that's another reason why I couldn't be a judge,
0:12:05 > 0:12:10because I might have been up there all regal, you know, in my robes,
0:12:10 > 0:12:13sentencing away and I could be saying to Ron and Reggie...
0:12:15 > 0:12:23..I could be saying, "I sentence you two, Ron and Reggie, to whoops!"
0:12:23 > 0:12:26And, you see, the trouble is that under English law
0:12:26 > 0:12:28that would have to stand.
0:12:28 > 0:12:32So, all in all, I'd rather have been a judge than a miner.
0:12:32 > 0:12:34What's more, being a miner,
0:12:34 > 0:12:37as soon as you're too old and tired
0:12:37 > 0:12:41and sick and stupid to do your job properly, you have to retire.
0:12:41 > 0:12:44Well, the very opposite applies with judges.
0:12:46 > 0:12:50So, all in all, I would rather have been a judge than a miner.
0:12:50 > 0:12:53- Good night. - APPLAUSE
0:12:54 > 0:12:58SPEECH DROWNED OUT BY APPLAUSE
0:13:06 > 0:13:08You still seem to make each other laugh, actually.
0:13:08 > 0:13:10I suppose it's... Did you, when you worked together,
0:13:10 > 0:13:13was there any problem of corpsing and giggling and this sort of thing?
0:13:13 > 0:13:15All the time. All the time.
0:13:15 > 0:13:18- Worst at the end.- Yes, it got worse and worse and worse.
0:13:18 > 0:13:21I mean, there were moments when the show simply didn't go on
0:13:21 > 0:13:23because one or other of us had done something
0:13:23 > 0:13:26which the audience didn't know about, which...
0:13:26 > 0:13:28LAUGHTER
0:13:28 > 0:13:30..had they known about,
0:13:30 > 0:13:32trouble would have broken out.
0:13:32 > 0:13:36And Dudley used to stand in the wings when you were doing a sketch,
0:13:36 > 0:13:38and so you'd then have to direct the sketch
0:13:38 > 0:13:41to the other side of the stage and you'd suddenly notice
0:13:41 > 0:13:43he was actually stood on the other side, so,
0:13:43 > 0:13:45- I mean... - There was one dreadful moment,
0:13:45 > 0:13:48I don't know if Jonathan has ever forgiven me,
0:13:48 > 0:13:53but his first baby was born in America while we were on tour.
0:13:54 > 0:13:59Jonathan and Alan were doing a sketch about philosophy,
0:13:59 > 0:14:01two philosophy people,
0:14:01 > 0:14:06and in the middle of it, I came on with Jonathan's newborn baby.
0:14:06 > 0:14:10And I said, "Excuse me, sir.
0:14:10 > 0:14:12"The wife has...
0:14:12 > 0:14:14"The wife has just delivered this.
0:14:16 > 0:14:18"What should I do with it?"
0:14:19 > 0:14:21And as far as I remember, he said,
0:14:21 > 0:14:24"Just put it in the fridge, would you?"
0:14:25 > 0:14:28Whenever Pete and Dud appeared on a chat show,
0:14:28 > 0:14:32there was little you could predict apart from laughter.
0:14:32 > 0:14:35Here's a typical appearance, again from a Parkinson show.
0:14:35 > 0:14:37This time, they found themselves
0:14:37 > 0:14:40sitting alongside the boxer John Conteh,
0:14:40 > 0:14:41and the conversation kicks off
0:14:41 > 0:14:44with a question about Dudley's croaky voice.
0:14:46 > 0:14:51Oh, my voice? Yes, I sound a bit like Aldo Ray at the moment.
0:14:51 > 0:14:54But I caught the flu in New York, or was it flu?
0:14:56 > 0:14:59And my voice has gone all peculiar.
0:14:59 > 0:15:02There's not much left of you otherwise.
0:15:02 > 0:15:05No, I shouldn't have said that, Dud.
0:15:05 > 0:15:06I take that back.
0:15:06 > 0:15:08No. He's in terrific shape, isn't he?
0:15:09 > 0:15:12Yes, he is. Which part of him is in terrific shape?
0:15:12 > 0:15:15- Michael, you're being provocative. - No, I'm not.- Don't be cruel.
0:15:15 > 0:15:19Not with you two. I mean, you outnumber me, I think.
0:15:19 > 0:15:22Let me ask you, were you bullied at school?
0:15:23 > 0:15:25Yes, I was, Michael. It was a very sore point with me.
0:15:25 > 0:15:27I must go to the doctor.
0:15:28 > 0:15:30I...
0:15:30 > 0:15:32LAUGHTER
0:15:32 > 0:15:35I don't think it was the actual business of being small
0:15:35 > 0:15:37that meant I got bullied, although it helped.
0:15:37 > 0:15:40But there was a bloke called JW Smith, and I remember getting...
0:15:40 > 0:15:43The only time I put boxing gloves on was with JW Smith
0:15:43 > 0:15:44and if he were alive...
0:15:44 > 0:15:46I won't hit you.
0:15:46 > 0:15:49And he punched me severely.
0:15:49 > 0:15:52I thought I was going to beat the living daylights out of him.
0:15:54 > 0:15:58No, I... I was just set up as one of the bullied people,
0:15:58 > 0:16:01and it was very uncomfortable, really.
0:16:01 > 0:16:05But I think it's a traditional route for most comedians to go is to...
0:16:05 > 0:16:07Were you bullied?
0:16:07 > 0:16:09Yes, I was bullied very severely.
0:16:09 > 0:16:10I was given up for dead.
0:16:10 > 0:16:12LAUGHTER
0:16:14 > 0:16:16They brought all the specialists in and...
0:16:18 > 0:16:20..I was buried, in fact.
0:16:21 > 0:16:25I suffered very, very, very badly at school, Michael,
0:16:25 > 0:16:27and I'm sorry you brought it up cos...
0:16:27 > 0:16:29- I'm sorry.- He's going a bit over the top as usual.
0:16:29 > 0:16:31It was not a happy time during my life.
0:16:31 > 0:16:33- Not a happy time at all. - It wasn't?
0:16:33 > 0:16:38No, I was undisputed light heavyweight coward of...
0:16:38 > 0:16:40There was no contest at all.
0:16:40 > 0:16:42I wasn't beaten up much, though.
0:16:42 > 0:16:44Did you have various ways of avoiding being bullied?
0:16:44 > 0:16:47I mean, did you cringe? Were you obsequious?
0:16:47 > 0:16:48- Hiding in drawers. - Hiding in drawers?
0:16:48 > 0:16:50- He still does that. - Hopefully...
0:16:50 > 0:16:52LAUGHTER
0:16:53 > 0:16:56- Yes.- Yeah, well, I remember at the age of 13...
0:16:56 > 0:16:57- Coughing.- Coughing is good,
0:16:57 > 0:17:00cos people keep away cos they see all this stuff
0:17:00 > 0:17:02coming out of your gob.
0:17:02 > 0:17:04And of course they stay away, don't they?
0:17:05 > 0:17:08Well, there are of course some perverts who love...
0:17:09 > 0:17:11They say, "Cough all over me, will you?"
0:17:12 > 0:17:15I've met a few of those.
0:17:15 > 0:17:18No, seriously, Michael, after all, this is a serious programme...
0:17:18 > 0:17:19AUDIENCE MEMBER BLOWS NOSE
0:17:19 > 0:17:24Someone was blowing their nose in the audience very loudly.
0:17:24 > 0:17:26I started fooling around in class.
0:17:26 > 0:17:28That seemed to be the only way to stop it, you know.
0:17:28 > 0:17:30Sort of neutralise yourself
0:17:30 > 0:17:33and become a plaything of the other people.
0:17:33 > 0:17:35And then they don't feel threatened by you.
0:17:35 > 0:17:39It's a constant frustration, not to be able to go up to someone and say,
0:17:39 > 0:17:40"Listen, any trouble...
0:17:42 > 0:17:44"..I'll tear your nose off."
0:17:45 > 0:17:47Is that a fantasy of yours?
0:17:47 > 0:17:50Oh, I have terrible fantasies of my worst enemies. I still, you know,
0:17:50 > 0:17:54like impaling them on railings and reaching down into their mouths
0:17:54 > 0:17:57and pulling out their spleens and...
0:17:57 > 0:17:59And tying it round the neck and then...
0:18:01 > 0:18:05..and pulling out the eyes perhaps one by one.
0:18:05 > 0:18:08I have super times thinking about all that sort of thing.
0:18:10 > 0:18:12Would you have similar fantasies?
0:18:12 > 0:18:13No, I love everybody.
0:18:15 > 0:18:18The world is my kingdom and the world loves me and I love the world.
0:18:19 > 0:18:21I don't have an enemy in the world.
0:18:21 > 0:18:24- You have an enema now and again, though, don't you?- Yes.
0:18:24 > 0:18:26I have to have that cos of...
0:18:26 > 0:18:28He's his own worst enemy, you know.
0:18:28 > 0:18:31No, take into account the war service that I did.
0:18:31 > 0:18:33Oh, I do. I take that into account.
0:18:33 > 0:18:37Yes, cos during those troubled times, and let's face it,
0:18:37 > 0:18:39- they were troubled times. - Oh, troubled, weren't they?
0:18:39 > 0:18:41When the war was on, weren't they troubled times?
0:18:41 > 0:18:43When we looked like losing.
0:18:43 > 0:18:44Oh, I thought we'd had it.
0:18:44 > 0:18:48- I thought we'd had it.- When that buzz bomb came across Burnside Road,
0:18:48 > 0:18:50- I thought, "This is it." - It was.
0:18:50 > 0:18:52I thought, "This is it."
0:18:52 > 0:18:53And it was.
0:18:57 > 0:19:01Beyond television, Cook and Moore also ventured
0:19:01 > 0:19:02into the world of cinema.
0:19:02 > 0:19:05The '60s saw them starring in Bedazzled,
0:19:05 > 0:19:08and in the '70s, they delivered their own take
0:19:08 > 0:19:12on the world of Sherlock Holmes with the Hound Of The Baskervilles.
0:19:12 > 0:19:18Here they are interviewed on location for the programme Film 78.
0:19:18 > 0:19:21This version of Sherlock Holmes, as portrayed by me,
0:19:21 > 0:19:24guided by the spirit voice of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle,
0:19:24 > 0:19:26God rest his soul,
0:19:26 > 0:19:29is sort of more authentic than the previous very good versions
0:19:29 > 0:19:32done by Basil Rathbone, for example.
0:19:32 > 0:19:34Basil Rathbone was very good, and...
0:19:36 > 0:19:38Not very good, he was excellent,
0:19:38 > 0:19:40but he wasn't true to the spirit of Conan Doyle.
0:19:40 > 0:19:44I hope this is true to the spirit of Conan Doyle.
0:19:44 > 0:19:47I couldn't play Watson, of course, like Nigel Bruce.
0:19:47 > 0:19:48- Not as good. - Not as good.
0:19:48 > 0:19:50He's got the corner on that, you see.
0:19:50 > 0:19:52So, I thought I'd have to...
0:19:52 > 0:19:54Play it like Bruce Nigel.
0:19:54 > 0:19:56- Right.- Who has not been heard of much, you know.
0:19:56 > 0:19:58He's much younger, and...
0:19:59 > 0:20:01So I play him a little differently.
0:20:01 > 0:20:03Are you there, Mr Taramasalata?
0:20:04 > 0:20:08Give one knock for yes, two knocks for no.
0:20:08 > 0:20:10TWO KNOCKS
0:20:10 > 0:20:14'Dudley is at present made up as my mother.'
0:20:14 > 0:20:16'Yes. She's into spiritualism, she's a psychic.'
0:20:16 > 0:20:18She's a sidekick, actually.
0:20:18 > 0:20:24Yes! She has a great many views on what should be done in the story.
0:20:24 > 0:20:27Oh, spirits, show us you are amongst us.
0:20:28 > 0:20:31Raise up, O table.
0:20:31 > 0:20:33They're really here!
0:20:33 > 0:20:35Raise up, O table, make your presence felt!
0:20:35 > 0:20:37Raise up, O table!
0:20:38 > 0:20:39Oh.
0:20:39 > 0:20:42'Dudley symbolises the Victorian period as Mrs Holmes.'
0:20:42 > 0:20:44Oh, yes, I think this is the...
0:20:44 > 0:20:45People will walk out of the cinema saying,
0:20:45 > 0:20:48"That was a Victorian period if ever I saw one."
0:20:48 > 0:20:50It's the definitive Victorian film.
0:20:50 > 0:20:56Yes. Holmes in this movie does have the natural urges of any male.
0:20:57 > 0:20:59And... Thank you, darling.
0:20:59 > 0:21:02And he does visit a Victorian equivalent
0:21:02 > 0:21:04of the modern massage parlour.
0:21:04 > 0:21:06Yes.
0:21:06 > 0:21:08- Apart from that... - Apart from that, well...
0:21:08 > 0:21:10..we haven't departed from the original story.
0:21:10 > 0:21:14I think there's always going to be an interest in the characters.
0:21:14 > 0:21:16They're sort of, you know, really like Hamlet and Cressida,
0:21:16 > 0:21:18aren't they?
0:21:18 > 0:21:22And Coriolanus and Des O'Connor.
0:21:22 > 0:21:27I'd hate to think that this movie was made with the sole purpose of
0:21:27 > 0:21:30getting millions and millions of people to see it
0:21:30 > 0:21:31and stick money down and go to the cinemas.
0:21:31 > 0:21:33Oh, that would be dreadful, wouldn't it?
0:21:33 > 0:21:36Awful. It would be dreadful if we ended up being millionaires
0:21:36 > 0:21:39- and having to join Michael Caine. - Yeah, it'd be dreadful, wouldn't it?
0:21:39 > 0:21:42I'd rather be in a garret than stuck with Michael Caine
0:21:42 > 0:21:44in Hollywood, the Hollywood crowd.
0:21:44 > 0:21:46- Right!- Riffraff!
0:21:46 > 0:21:48Bloody Ian La Frenais, Dick Clement
0:21:48 > 0:21:50playing cricket on their swimming pools.
0:21:50 > 0:21:54- Playing football with Raquel Welch. - Pathetic.
0:21:54 > 0:21:56I'd rather be in a khazi in Dagenham...
0:21:56 > 0:22:00- Right.- ..than sell my soul to some producer...
0:22:00 > 0:22:03- Right.- ..who says, "Here's £15 million."
0:22:03 > 0:22:06You know, you know what my straight answer to him would be.
0:22:06 > 0:22:08- Yes.- That's exactly it, yes.
0:22:12 > 0:22:15In the end, the film didn't set Hollywood alight,
0:22:15 > 0:22:17but a few years later,
0:22:17 > 0:22:21Dudley would with roles in films like 10 and Arthur.
0:22:21 > 0:22:23But despite solo international stardom,
0:22:23 > 0:22:27the relationship with Peter remained intact.
0:22:27 > 0:22:32Here are the pair of them in 1990 on the Wogan show,
0:22:32 > 0:22:35talking about one of their classic Pete and Dud sketches.
0:22:37 > 0:22:39My favourite sketch, and I think maybe Peter's,
0:22:39 > 0:22:43is one that we did when we were Dud and Pete,
0:22:43 > 0:22:46these two Cockney characters in an art gallery.
0:22:46 > 0:22:48- And we were...- Talking about this, that and the other.
0:22:48 > 0:22:51Talking about this, that and the other,
0:22:51 > 0:22:52which we mainly did most weeks.
0:22:52 > 0:22:58And I just, I loved the feeling of that one, the intimacy,
0:22:58 > 0:23:00which we've never been able to achieve
0:23:00 > 0:23:01in our real lives, of course.
0:23:01 > 0:23:03LAUGHTER
0:23:03 > 0:23:06- And...- No, don't laugh.
0:23:06 > 0:23:08- Are you all right, Terry? - Don't laugh when you say that,
0:23:08 > 0:23:11because it's sad, isn't it?
0:23:11 > 0:23:14The only time Dudley and I have ever met has been on television.
0:23:15 > 0:23:18I... I've never seen him...
0:23:18 > 0:23:20- He looks very nice. - No, he looks all right, yeah.
0:23:20 > 0:23:24Wait a minute, I was going to cue in a piece of what we call VT.
0:23:24 > 0:23:27- Oh, well.- I'm sorry. - Well, you know...
0:23:27 > 0:23:29You know, Pete, I reckon...
0:23:29 > 0:23:32I reckon there's a lot of rubbish in this gallery, you know.
0:23:32 > 0:23:35- In here?- Yeah.- Oh, not only rubbish, Dud, there's a lot of muck about.
0:23:35 > 0:23:38I've been looking all over the place for something good.
0:23:38 > 0:23:40- Yeah.- I've been looking for that lovely green gypsy lady,
0:23:40 > 0:23:42you know the one what Curpsy Corey done
0:23:42 > 0:23:44with the lovely shining skin?
0:23:44 > 0:23:46- Where is she? Nowhere. - Nowhere.
0:23:46 > 0:23:48So I went up to the manager.
0:23:48 > 0:23:51I said, I got him by the collar, I said, "Here..."
0:23:51 > 0:23:52- Yeah?- I said, "Here..."
0:23:52 > 0:23:55Threatening him? You didn't spit sandwich at him, did you?
0:23:57 > 0:23:59- Sorry, Pete.- Blimey.
0:23:59 > 0:24:01Sorry about that. No, I said, "Here..."
0:24:01 > 0:24:03Yeah, you'll do it again if you're not careful.
0:24:05 > 0:24:07- I said, "Where...?" - HE GUFFAWS
0:24:10 > 0:24:13Come on, what'd you say, Dud?
0:24:13 > 0:24:17I said, "Where's that bloody Chinese flying horse, then?"
0:24:17 > 0:24:20- What'd he say? - He said, "Get out."
0:24:20 > 0:24:22Very nice.
0:24:22 > 0:24:23APPLAUSE
0:24:29 > 0:24:30Like a sandwich?
0:24:30 > 0:24:33You met 20... Well, it's hundreds of years ago...
0:24:33 > 0:24:35Right, it was hundreds of years.
0:24:35 > 0:24:36500-600 years ago.
0:24:36 > 0:24:39Young undergrads.
0:24:39 > 0:24:41- Oh, yes. - Did you hit it off immediately?
0:24:41 > 0:24:43Well, we weren't undergrads.
0:24:43 > 0:24:44Well, we were, were we? I don't...
0:24:44 > 0:24:46I was in my last year at Oxford.
0:24:46 > 0:24:49We met rather uneasily in a restaurant.
0:24:49 > 0:24:51We all looked at each other. This was Beyond The Fringe.
0:24:51 > 0:24:53So, Alan Bennett, you and him and Jonathan...
0:24:53 > 0:24:55Jonathan Miller and Dudley.
0:24:55 > 0:24:57We all sat down and peered at each other
0:24:57 > 0:24:59and didn't really know what to do.
0:24:59 > 0:25:02Yeah. Did you like the cut of his jib then?
0:25:02 > 0:25:03Were you attracted to him?
0:25:03 > 0:25:06- I thought he was a frightfully attractive young man.- Yes.
0:25:06 > 0:25:09I was at Cambridge and I thought, "Well,
0:25:09 > 0:25:12"this looks somebody who is fairly easy to get on with."
0:25:12 > 0:25:14- Yes.- And we went off into the night.
0:25:14 > 0:25:16Did you? And I bet you...
0:25:16 > 0:25:19- Came back for rehearsal next day.- I bet you took a smack to him as well.
0:25:19 > 0:25:20I certainly did. I thought,
0:25:20 > 0:25:22"Here's an upper-class geek if ever I saw one."
0:25:22 > 0:25:24And...
0:25:24 > 0:25:27Straight down from the Foreign Office.
0:25:27 > 0:25:28Yes, we got on very well.
0:25:28 > 0:25:32I mean, he... Actually, Peter was very easy to get on with and...
0:25:35 > 0:25:37..I think, of all of us, he was the most urbane and, sort of,
0:25:37 > 0:25:40calm in those days. Of course, things have changed, you know.
0:25:40 > 0:25:43- Things have changed greatly. - Whirling dervish now.
0:25:43 > 0:25:46Yes. Do you think he's gone to the bad?
0:25:46 > 0:25:48Has he gone to the bad? No. No.
0:25:48 > 0:25:49No more than anybody else has.
0:25:49 > 0:25:52- Yes.- No more than you have, Terry!
0:25:52 > 0:25:55Yeah, you don't think... Dudley hasn't improved much either, has he?
0:25:55 > 0:25:56I think Dudley has improved.
0:25:56 > 0:25:58- Has he improved?- Oh, yes.
0:25:58 > 0:26:01You should have seen him 25 years ago!
0:26:01 > 0:26:04The years have been kind to him, haven't they?
0:26:04 > 0:26:06Certainly. He looks better by the second.
0:26:06 > 0:26:08- Considering the life he's led. - Hmm.
0:26:08 > 0:26:10Yeah, it's been a bit outre.
0:26:10 > 0:26:12It's been a bit, you know...
0:26:13 > 0:26:16But I've survived.
0:26:16 > 0:26:18Yes. I took the blows.
0:26:18 > 0:26:20- I...- You gave the shows!
0:26:22 > 0:26:23I did it my way.
0:26:23 > 0:26:24Hello, sailor.
0:26:28 > 0:26:33We'll end now in the same way that Peter and Dudley ended their shows -
0:26:33 > 0:26:35at the piano, in perfect harmony,
0:26:35 > 0:26:40singing their always aptly titled song Goodbye.
0:26:40 > 0:26:42APPLAUSE
0:26:44 > 0:26:48- # Now it's time to say goodbye - Goodbye!
0:26:50 > 0:26:54- # Now's the time to yield a sigh - Oh, yield that sigh, baby
0:26:57 > 0:27:00# Now's the time to we-e-end... #
0:27:00 > 0:27:01HE COUGHS
0:27:01 > 0:27:03# Our way-ee!
0:27:03 > 0:27:06# Until we met again! #
0:27:06 > 0:27:07It's not going well.
0:27:07 > 0:27:10# Some sunny day... # It's going wonderfully.
0:27:13 > 0:27:15BOTH: # Goodbye, goodbye
0:27:15 > 0:27:17# We're leaving you, scoob-a-dye
0:27:17 > 0:27:19# Goodbye, we wish you fond goodbye
0:27:19 > 0:27:21# Farta-ta-ta, farta-ta-ta
0:27:21 > 0:27:22# Goodbye, goodbye
0:27:22 > 0:27:24# We're leaving you, scoob-a-dye
0:27:24 > 0:27:27# Goodbye, we wish you fond goodbye
0:27:27 > 0:27:28# Farta-ta-ta-ta
0:27:28 > 0:27:31# La-la-la-la-la-la... #
0:27:31 > 0:27:35THEY COUGH AND SPLUTTER
0:27:38 > 0:27:41LOUD COUGHING CONTINUES
0:27:46 > 0:27:48- You feeling all right, mother? - Fine, thank you.
0:27:48 > 0:27:50I'm feeling terribly well indeed.
0:27:50 > 0:27:53# Ebony, a-dib-dab-dooby, biddidy-bash
0:27:53 > 0:27:55# A-deeb-dab-dooby, doodily-down... #
0:27:55 > 0:27:58MUSIC FADES OUT
0:27:58 > 0:28:00I don't know what you're thinking then!