0:00:02 > 0:00:0713 years ago, BBC cameras filmed 22 families in south east Wales
0:00:08 > 0:00:12as they approached the magical moment of birth.
0:00:12 > 0:00:14WOMAN GROANS
0:00:14 > 0:00:16A breath and fill those lungs with air.
0:00:16 > 0:00:20Down you go. Push. Come on. Push.
0:00:20 > 0:00:22There were problematic pregnancies.
0:00:22 > 0:00:27- Which day do you want to have your baby?- Friday. I can go home all day Saturday then!
0:00:27 > 0:00:30Dramatic deliveries.
0:00:30 > 0:00:32Get it out!
0:00:32 > 0:00:35Pant it out. Don't push now, sweetheart, you don't push.
0:00:35 > 0:00:39And life-saving special care.
0:00:39 > 0:00:41I don't know what you're going through.
0:00:41 > 0:00:45I don't think any of the nursing staff have got a clue.
0:00:45 > 0:00:47OK. We don't.
0:00:47 > 0:00:50It was a new beginning for the parents to be.
0:00:50 > 0:00:54You did excellent. Well done.
0:00:55 > 0:00:59And for some, it was to change their lives forever.
0:00:59 > 0:01:01BABY CRIES
0:01:03 > 0:01:06Over a decade later, and what has happened to these children
0:01:06 > 0:01:08who grew up in a new century?
0:01:11 > 0:01:14What has become of the Welsh Millennium babies?
0:01:21 > 0:01:25This time on Welsh Millennium Babies -
0:01:25 > 0:01:29we catch up with two sets of twins born over 12 years ago.
0:01:29 > 0:01:35- 'What do you like about your sister, Sioned?'- Nothing.- Thank you(!)
0:01:35 > 0:01:41- Where's she going? Going to bed, isn't she?- Yeah. Lazy bugger.
0:01:41 > 0:01:46Tilly! I can't believe that!
0:01:49 > 0:01:53Back in 1998 at the Royal Gwent Hospital,
0:01:53 > 0:01:56a very special ultrasound was taking place.
0:01:58 > 0:02:00The scanning of twins.
0:02:03 > 0:02:05Are the babies moving as well as before?
0:02:05 > 0:02:10- Yeah.- That's good. - Everything seems to have been OK.
0:02:10 > 0:02:12Aged 19, Kate and her partner Dafydd,
0:02:12 > 0:02:16were about to become parents for the first time.
0:02:18 > 0:02:20I wish she'd hurry up and have them.
0:02:20 > 0:02:25She whinges, "I'm not sleeping through the night. I've been up for five hours."
0:02:25 > 0:02:28- It's uncomfortable. - The problem is she sleeps facing me
0:02:28 > 0:02:33and I can feel those kicking me and it takes me ages to fall asleep then.
0:02:33 > 0:02:35- Good.- Get away.
0:02:37 > 0:02:40That's nice. Get away.
0:02:40 > 0:02:44I tried to convince her to sleep on the bed-settee but she's not having any of that.
0:02:48 > 0:02:51Two months later and the waiting was over.
0:02:51 > 0:02:56Kate went into labour and midwife, Cathy Witcombe, was by her side.
0:02:56 > 0:02:58SHE STRAINS
0:02:58 > 0:03:00Got a pain?
0:03:00 > 0:03:04Breath in, push like mad. Down!
0:03:04 > 0:03:06SHE STRAINS
0:03:06 > 0:03:08Go on, push like mad. Go on, you can do it.
0:03:08 > 0:03:12- Come on. Go on. Push like mad. - Keep pushing, keep pushing.
0:03:12 > 0:03:16- Yes, the baby's on its way. - Here we go, here we go.
0:03:16 > 0:03:21- Keep pushing. Here's your first baby.- Here we go, baby's head. It's born.
0:03:22 > 0:03:25And the baby's born.
0:03:25 > 0:03:27Oh, look!
0:03:29 > 0:03:32BABY CRIES
0:03:32 > 0:03:35Ten to? Little girl. Look.
0:03:38 > 0:03:42Look, look. She's fine, she's fine.
0:03:42 > 0:03:44Hello, baby.
0:03:44 > 0:03:46BABY CRIES
0:03:46 > 0:03:47Isn't she lovely.
0:03:47 > 0:03:49Baby number one was named Lowri
0:03:49 > 0:03:53and 10 minutes later her twin was on the way.
0:03:53 > 0:03:57- Relax, relax.- Got pain? Go on, push down hard. Come on.
0:03:58 > 0:04:01Good girl, come on. Here we go.
0:04:02 > 0:04:04Another girl! Two girls.
0:04:04 > 0:04:06BABY CRIES
0:04:12 > 0:04:14Look!
0:04:14 > 0:04:18Kate and Dafydd name their second daughter, Sioned.
0:04:18 > 0:04:23Hello, sweetheart. Oh, you've got a bit of a headache.
0:04:28 > 0:04:31More than a decade after the life changing event,
0:04:31 > 0:04:34and the family are living in Newbridge.
0:04:36 > 0:04:39The 12-year-old twins have been joined by younger brother, Iestyn.
0:04:45 > 0:04:52Like I said, be nice. She'll hit you back, though. Stop!
0:04:52 > 0:04:54Iestyn, don't jump over my sofa!
0:04:57 > 0:05:01The first couple of months after having the twins was hard work.
0:05:01 > 0:05:03It was like Kate had one child and I had the other.
0:05:03 > 0:05:06You'd wake up in the night and Kate had Lowri and I had Sioned.
0:05:06 > 0:05:10I remember looking at pictures of us now and you can see pictures of us
0:05:10 > 0:05:13when they were newborn, considering we were both 19, we looked about 12.
0:05:13 > 0:05:15Do you know what I mean?
0:05:15 > 0:05:18I look at pictures of me now and wish I still looked 12!
0:05:18 > 0:05:23I looked 18 then, 12 years later and I look more like 45!
0:05:25 > 0:05:28- You've aged us, dramatically. - Your mam, yeah.
0:05:31 > 0:05:33Being young parents in a new millennium,
0:05:33 > 0:05:35the early years were hard work.
0:05:35 > 0:05:38It changed my life massively.
0:05:38 > 0:05:41I actively went looking for a different job
0:05:41 > 0:05:45and managed to get my apprenticeship with British Gas where I still am.
0:05:45 > 0:05:48But it was just how we were going to cope?
0:05:48 > 0:05:52We moved into the house next door to Kate's mam and dad
0:05:52 > 0:05:55so we had a lot of support in looking after the children.
0:05:55 > 0:05:57When we moved...
0:05:57 > 0:06:00We were renting and then we moved up the street,
0:06:00 > 0:06:04we were still close but it's a life changing experience.
0:06:05 > 0:06:09I'd only just moved out of my childhood myself almost.
0:06:13 > 0:06:16As the identical twins move into their teenage years,
0:06:16 > 0:06:21Sioned and Lowri have very different interests and aspirations for their future.
0:06:22 > 0:06:23I've always told my mam and dad
0:06:23 > 0:06:26I want to go into the police.
0:06:26 > 0:06:29That's why I've got a gun.
0:06:29 > 0:06:36But, erm... That's what I want to do, but things may change.
0:06:36 > 0:06:41I've always told my mam I want seven kids and I'd be a dinner lady!
0:06:41 > 0:06:44- But that won't be true.- 'Why?'
0:06:44 > 0:06:46I can't cope with kids.
0:06:46 > 0:06:51- I wouldn't want to be a dinner lady. - Don't get enough money, do you?- No.
0:06:51 > 0:06:56Because I'm into horse riding, if I get quite far, I'd like to be a riding instructor.
0:06:59 > 0:07:02- 'Sounds like a nice job.'- Mm, yeah.
0:07:02 > 0:07:05I'd like to have horses of my own and everything as well.
0:07:06 > 0:07:09Because I play rugby, my dad wants me to play for Wales,
0:07:09 > 0:07:11to keep on going and play for Wales.
0:07:19 > 0:07:2212 years ago at the Royal Gwent Hospital,
0:07:22 > 0:07:25twins, Tilly and Jess, were on the neonatal unit.
0:07:26 > 0:07:29Born early, at 24 weeks,
0:07:29 > 0:07:31they had been on the ward a while with their mum, Sharon,
0:07:31 > 0:07:36under the care of consultant paediatrician, Dr Paul Buss.
0:07:36 > 0:07:38I was feeding him the other day,
0:07:38 > 0:07:44he had four episodes in a row where, you know, he held his breath, and...
0:07:44 > 0:07:46It stopped for a while.
0:07:46 > 0:07:51I winded him and his saturations shot to 100 and he was fine again.
0:07:58 > 0:08:01His breathing looks remarkably stable.
0:08:01 > 0:08:03He's not got increased work at breathing.
0:08:03 > 0:08:05His respiratory rate looks good.
0:08:05 > 0:08:08I must say from his chest point of view,
0:08:08 > 0:08:10I'm pleased with what I see today.
0:08:12 > 0:08:15We've done lots of tests to try to find out what these blue spells are.
0:08:15 > 0:08:20The brain wave tests, the gastric tests we've done are reassuringly normal
0:08:20 > 0:08:24but leave us with a boy who's still getting these blue episodes.
0:08:24 > 0:08:27BABY CRIES
0:08:30 > 0:08:33Twin sister, Tilly, had already been discharged
0:08:33 > 0:08:39and after five months on special care, mum Sharon was desperate to get Jess home too.
0:08:41 > 0:08:44I don't want to be frightened about Jess when he goes home.
0:08:44 > 0:08:47I want to feel we've got it just about right
0:08:47 > 0:08:50and we've got the management of the risk right.
0:08:50 > 0:08:53So we're not putting too much risk and responsibility on you and Dad.
0:08:53 > 0:08:56I think you wouldn't forgive me
0:08:56 > 0:09:01if two o'clock in the morning you woke up and found him that colour.
0:09:01 > 0:09:05You'd ask, "Why on earth did he let me take Jess home?"
0:09:05 > 0:09:11No. I would never want to take Jess home if I felt he was at risk.
0:09:11 > 0:09:14But I feel like I'm quite capable of looking after him.
0:09:16 > 0:09:18He's much more settled when he's with me.
0:09:18 > 0:09:22I don't know what you're going through, I haven't a clue.
0:09:22 > 0:09:25I don't think any of the nursing staff have got a clue.
0:09:25 > 0:09:28OK? We don't.
0:09:28 > 0:09:31At the end of the day, part of our job is to try
0:09:31 > 0:09:33and inform you as best as we can.
0:09:33 > 0:09:36Look... You know that.
0:09:37 > 0:09:39You know that.
0:09:40 > 0:09:41OK?
0:09:43 > 0:09:45OK.
0:09:50 > 0:09:56Finally, after six months on the neonatal unit the big day arrived.
0:09:58 > 0:10:00Sharon and her husband, Gavin,
0:10:00 > 0:10:02were able to take their twins home together.
0:10:04 > 0:10:07But their future health would remain unpredictable.
0:10:15 > 0:10:18Today, the family live in Newbridge.
0:10:20 > 0:10:22And Tilly is now 12 years old.
0:10:29 > 0:10:33Watch you don't catch your face, look.
0:10:33 > 0:10:35There we go.
0:10:37 > 0:10:39The twins had seven years of growing up together.
0:10:39 > 0:10:45Four-and-a-half years ago, Jess unexpectedly died in his sleep.
0:10:45 > 0:10:48Look, Jess and Tilly laughing and playing.
0:10:48 > 0:10:51Jess and Tilly playing. Yeah?
0:10:51 > 0:10:56She's always asked for him every day in a sort of routine way.
0:10:56 > 0:10:58She'll just ask for reassurance.
0:10:58 > 0:11:03She'll say, "Jess" and then we say, "Yes, Jess." Then she says, "Jess in Heaven."
0:11:03 > 0:11:07But now she's starting to get a bit more curious now she's older, I think.
0:11:07 > 0:11:12Her understanding's starting to change, she's starting to wonder what happened.
0:11:12 > 0:11:14We try and explain in our own way
0:11:14 > 0:11:17but she still doesn't quite understand what happened, you know.
0:11:17 > 0:11:20She understands Heaven and death.
0:11:22 > 0:11:27You know that Jess is in Heaven, but you're not really sure why, are you?
0:11:29 > 0:11:32Jess is in Heaven, isn't he?
0:11:32 > 0:11:34Yeah? What happened?
0:11:34 > 0:11:38He wasn't well, was he? He went to Heaven.
0:11:38 > 0:11:40Jess in Heaven.
0:12:00 > 0:12:05The twins were diagnosed with cerebral palsy after their second birthday.
0:12:10 > 0:12:13Even though Jess had ongoing medical needs,
0:12:13 > 0:12:17his early death came as a sudden shock to his parents.
0:12:20 > 0:12:22Four-and-a-half years on,
0:12:22 > 0:12:25it's still difficult for Sharon and Gavin to talk about.
0:12:26 > 0:12:29We slept a bit late that morning.
0:12:29 > 0:12:32We usually get up at 6.15am in order to get them ready,
0:12:32 > 0:12:35and I think we woke up about 6.45pm.
0:12:38 > 0:12:40Sharon went down to wake Jess...
0:12:43 > 0:12:44Wake Jess up...
0:12:47 > 0:12:51Sharon just gave a big massive scream. I knew something was wrong.
0:12:51 > 0:12:55I had to leave Tilly in the bedroom. Run downstairs and he wasn't...
0:12:57 > 0:12:59He wasn't breathing.
0:13:05 > 0:13:10If you lose a child, a part of you dies with the child and you never get it back again.
0:13:10 > 0:13:12You never do, no.
0:13:13 > 0:13:16It's with me now from a day-to-day basis.
0:13:16 > 0:13:19Sharon feels the same. We still think about Jess.
0:13:19 > 0:13:24- There isn't a minute of the day when I don't think about him.- No.
0:13:24 > 0:13:28Tilly asks about him, Tilly talks about him every day as well.
0:13:29 > 0:13:34- Obviously, she has missed her brother.- Yeah, of course she has.
0:13:36 > 0:13:40One, two... Right.
0:13:42 > 0:13:47With her dad as her main carer, life has to go on in Tilly's household.
0:13:47 > 0:13:51- Much better.- Is that better? - That's lovely.
0:13:57 > 0:13:59Kate's kept busy as a full-time mum.
0:13:59 > 0:14:02Her twin girls have different hobbies.
0:14:02 > 0:14:04Lowri's latest interest is horse riding.
0:14:06 > 0:14:08She's been interested in horses since she was little,
0:14:08 > 0:14:11but she was one of those fickle little girls
0:14:11 > 0:14:14who wanted to do gymnastics and she wanted to do horse riding,
0:14:14 > 0:14:18and she wanted to do this, and she wanted to do that. Everything.
0:14:18 > 0:14:23One, two, three. Up you go. There we are, well done.
0:14:23 > 0:14:27Just pop your toe in and we'll see how far we are off with the stirrups.
0:14:27 > 0:14:31I've been around horses quite a lot because my nan and bamp's friends
0:14:31 > 0:14:35have got horses and my cousin's got a farm
0:14:35 > 0:14:37and she's had horses all her life.
0:14:37 > 0:14:41I've been around hers and that's how I got into it.
0:14:41 > 0:14:44That's it, and again.
0:14:44 > 0:14:48Use your legs. Ask him to walk on just that little bit quicker.
0:14:48 > 0:14:50Life hasn't always been an easy ride for Lowri.
0:14:50 > 0:14:53A little bit of nagging involved now.
0:14:53 > 0:14:57At the age of two, she was diagnosed with a heart condition.
0:14:57 > 0:15:01Lowri had to go into Bristol Children's Hospital
0:15:01 > 0:15:04because she was born with a hole in her heart.
0:15:04 > 0:15:06She had to have surgery to have that fixed.
0:15:06 > 0:15:10When they put her under anaesthetic, you're thinking....
0:15:10 > 0:15:12It was one of the worst moments of our life.
0:15:12 > 0:15:16You took her down to the theatre and you sign that little letter
0:15:16 > 0:15:19to say if she doesn't come back round...
0:15:19 > 0:15:22Things like that make you closer as well.
0:15:22 > 0:15:26I feel my and Kate's relationship was closer after going through
0:15:26 > 0:15:29- things like that.- Yeah. - They were difficult times.
0:15:29 > 0:15:32One on one it is.
0:15:32 > 0:15:38With Lowri's heart problem solved, both twins now enjoy being active.
0:15:38 > 0:15:42Ready! Steady! Go! Sideways, backwards, come on.
0:15:42 > 0:15:46Second born Sioned's passion is playing rugby for Newbridge Mixed Youth Team.
0:15:46 > 0:15:50The pastime has become a real family affair.
0:15:51 > 0:15:53They've been playing since they were six, the twins.
0:15:53 > 0:15:58It has been a big part. There's just so many friends you make.
0:15:58 > 0:16:01It is a good social side to the rugby.
0:16:01 > 0:16:03WHISTLE
0:16:03 > 0:16:06Turnover. Unlucky.
0:16:06 > 0:16:09We've banned rugby talk on a Sunday after the game's over
0:16:09 > 0:16:11because Daddy had her crying into her Sunday dinner
0:16:11 > 0:16:15because he abused her game of rugby that bad, that she'd be sat there
0:16:15 > 0:16:18with the tears streaming down her face over dinner.
0:16:18 > 0:16:21I'd be saying, "Shut up and leave her alone!"
0:16:21 > 0:16:25She'd be like, "Can I leave the table, Mam?" "No."
0:16:37 > 0:16:40Trinity Fields school in Ystrad Mynach
0:16:40 > 0:16:43caters for Welsh students with specific educational needs.
0:16:43 > 0:16:49Tilly has been a pupil here with her friend Edward for the last eight years.
0:16:49 > 0:16:52Good girl. Oh! Good work.
0:16:52 > 0:16:55That's it, good... Wow!
0:16:55 > 0:16:57Stop.
0:16:57 > 0:17:00Are you working for toys?
0:17:00 > 0:17:02Oh, look.
0:17:02 > 0:17:06- Look at... What is it?- Edward.
0:17:06 > 0:17:09Edward put..? Flour on the...?
0:17:09 > 0:17:13- Flour.- On your...? What's this?- Keys.
0:17:13 > 0:17:16- On your keys.- Hey, get off!
0:17:16 > 0:17:18Get off! That's it, tell him.
0:17:18 > 0:17:20Get off, Ed!
0:17:20 > 0:17:22Right.
0:17:24 > 0:17:25Good work, Tills.
0:17:27 > 0:17:30People just don't understand what you're going through.
0:17:30 > 0:17:35There are loads of other children like Jess and Tilly
0:17:35 > 0:17:38in a worse predicament and how they battle and...
0:17:38 > 0:17:44And their family... It is a big, massive strain on your family.
0:17:44 > 0:17:47It affects the parents, it affects the whole family.
0:17:47 > 0:17:50'Does it affect your relationship at all?'
0:17:50 > 0:17:52Yeah, obviously over the years.
0:17:52 > 0:17:55We've had a few ups and downs, haven't we?
0:17:55 > 0:17:59But we do try and stick it out.
0:17:59 > 0:18:03Because really, we are... we are happy together.
0:18:03 > 0:18:06- Well, I think we are! - Believe it or not, we are.
0:18:06 > 0:18:11But sometimes it would be much easier to walk away
0:18:11 > 0:18:13because you're not just dealing with your own...
0:18:15 > 0:18:18..well, your own stress and your own grief,
0:18:18 > 0:18:20it's dealing with each others.
0:18:20 > 0:18:23But I think we've learned to do that in a good way.
0:18:23 > 0:18:26Because if I'm down Gavin remains strong,
0:18:26 > 0:18:28and if he's down I try and remain strong.
0:18:28 > 0:18:31We're trying. We've got to because...
0:18:31 > 0:18:37- Yeah, if the two of us go down together then there's...- No help.
0:18:42 > 0:18:45It was six years after the birth of the twins that Kate and Dafydd
0:18:45 > 0:18:49decided to experience another life changing event - marriage.
0:18:53 > 0:18:57I wore an ivory wedding dress.
0:18:57 > 0:18:59It was lovely.
0:19:00 > 0:19:03- 'Why did you decide to get married?' - Erm...
0:19:03 > 0:19:08We'd been together for nine years before we got married.
0:19:08 > 0:19:11We had always planned to get married
0:19:11 > 0:19:15but then the children came along and it was things like
0:19:15 > 0:19:18Lowri and Sioned being in school and the teachers saying,
0:19:18 > 0:19:20"Could you come in, Miss Pooke."
0:19:20 > 0:19:24The children would say, "Why have you got a different name to us, Mam?
0:19:24 > 0:19:28"Why's our name Martin-Lloyd like Daddy's and yours isn't?"
0:19:28 > 0:19:31That's when we realised the children were bothered by it.
0:19:31 > 0:19:34So, that was as good a time as any, really.
0:19:34 > 0:19:37'Do you think one of your girls would wear your wedding dress?'
0:19:37 > 0:19:39To be honest, if they wanted it...
0:19:39 > 0:19:44I do sometimes think it is nice that even if they don't wear their mother's wedding dress,
0:19:44 > 0:19:48but you can have panels of the material taken off
0:19:48 > 0:19:50if you had your own wedding dress made.
0:19:50 > 0:19:53I wouldn't be opposed to them doing that if they wanted to.
0:19:53 > 0:19:55It would be quite nice really, wouldn't it?
0:19:55 > 0:19:58But their father always tells them
0:19:58 > 0:20:00they've got to have a joint wedding, "because I'm not paying twice!"
0:20:02 > 0:20:04Scrooge!
0:20:06 > 0:20:08But the twins, Lowri and Sioned,
0:20:08 > 0:20:10may have other plans up their sleeves.
0:20:10 > 0:20:12I ain't getting married.
0:20:12 > 0:20:15- What about you, Lowri? - Depends.
0:20:18 > 0:20:20On what?
0:20:20 > 0:20:22Men.
0:20:23 > 0:20:26- On finding the right man, is it?- Yeah.
0:20:28 > 0:20:30- And Sioned, what about you?- Mm...
0:20:30 > 0:20:34I'll probably get married, but I ain't having kids.
0:20:35 > 0:20:37Why's that?
0:20:38 > 0:20:40Mm.
0:20:40 > 0:20:45Cos... The pain you're in in the hospital and I can't be doing with that.
0:20:46 > 0:20:50- But you play rugby. You get hurt playing rugby.- That's different.
0:20:57 > 0:20:59Hello, Tilly.
0:21:00 > 0:21:05At Tilly's house, cousin Kyle calls by most days after school to spend time with her.
0:21:07 > 0:21:11- How's your foot?- Not bad. - All right.- Give us a kiss.
0:21:11 > 0:21:13Tilly's quite demanding at home.
0:21:13 > 0:21:16She likes us to be around her all the time.
0:21:16 > 0:21:20That's why it's nice for Kyle to come around. It gives us a bit of a break.
0:21:20 > 0:21:24- You were playing. On your DS.- You were playing. What's this?- Pokemon.
0:21:24 > 0:21:27Pokemon, yeah. You like Pokemon, don't you.
0:21:29 > 0:21:32She's trying to tell you what to do again.
0:21:32 > 0:21:34It's her favourite thing to do.
0:21:36 > 0:21:40- If I do something wrong she'll make sure I do it right.- Sh!- OK! Sorry!
0:21:40 > 0:21:41THEY LAUGH
0:21:45 > 0:21:47- Wow!- I know. Good, isn't it.
0:21:49 > 0:21:53Tilly's dad, Gavin, takes the role of main carer as mum Sharon
0:21:53 > 0:21:58is busy trying to complete her university degree in learning disability nursing.
0:22:00 > 0:22:06I decided once we lost Jess that, I think it was five months after,
0:22:06 > 0:22:12I woke up one morning and I thought I really need to do something with my life to keep me busy.
0:22:13 > 0:22:19And I enrolled in the local college to do an Access Course
0:22:19 > 0:22:22which gave me the entry requirements I needed to go to university
0:22:22 > 0:22:25and went from there.
0:22:25 > 0:22:28It's hard work but sometimes I think,
0:22:28 > 0:22:31"Why am I doing this to myself?" It is hard with Tilly.
0:22:31 > 0:22:34But, yes, I'm really enjoying it.
0:22:34 > 0:22:36Yeah? Do you want any more?
0:22:36 > 0:22:38Yes, you're thirsty now, aren't you?
0:22:41 > 0:22:43- There's Eddie.- Hello!
0:22:43 > 0:22:46- Where you going?- Where's she going? - Going to bed.
0:22:46 > 0:22:49- Going to bed, isn't she. - Lazy bugger!
0:22:49 > 0:22:52- THEY LAUGH - Tilly!
0:22:52 > 0:22:54I can't believe...!
0:22:55 > 0:22:57Nice one!
0:23:03 > 0:23:08At the Martin-Lloyd's house, Sunday dinner is about to be served.
0:23:08 > 0:23:13- Oh, love, you've burnt these, look.- What?- You've burnt these.
0:23:13 > 0:23:16They're supposed to be burnt. They're called roast potatoes.
0:23:16 > 0:23:19- They're not supposed to be burnt. - They're called burnt potatoes, love.
0:23:19 > 0:23:21And you burned the beef.
0:23:23 > 0:23:27You're the one who said, "This meat isn't cooked. It needs to go back in."
0:23:27 > 0:23:30Now you've burnt everything and you're blaming me.
0:23:30 > 0:23:34Iestyn, don't jump about in front of the cooker please.
0:23:34 > 0:23:39- One for the dogs, look.- 'Did you ever think about having a fourth child?'
0:23:39 > 0:23:43- EVERYONE: No!- We don't want any more babies, ever, ever.
0:23:43 > 0:23:48As soon as I had Iestyn, that was it, I went and made sure.
0:23:48 > 0:23:51- Dad, I don't want any on mine! - Iestyn, fine, we'll take it off.
0:23:51 > 0:23:54The doctor said, "You're only 25. Are you sure?"
0:23:54 > 0:23:58I said, "You don't live with my son, doc. I'm positively sure."
0:23:58 > 0:24:03- I was er... - Don't give him much.
0:24:03 > 0:24:05- I was happy with what I had.- Yeah.
0:24:08 > 0:24:10Me had to go and spoil it and have Iestyn.
0:24:10 > 0:24:13Kate definitely wanted another one.
0:24:13 > 0:24:16- What's she done to us?- We wouldn't trade you for quids, would we, kids?
0:24:16 > 0:24:20- No, no. - No. Because nobody would pay us!
0:24:20 > 0:24:22Sunday is an important family time together
0:24:22 > 0:24:26as Dafydd works long hours as a gas fitter in the week.
0:24:26 > 0:24:30Very often I come home from work and they've all had their tea.
0:24:30 > 0:24:33Sunday time is about the only time we sit round the table together.
0:24:35 > 0:24:37- That's disgusting.- It's nice.
0:24:40 > 0:24:43The minute I don't give you any you say, "Where's mine?"
0:24:43 > 0:24:47Whoa! You wait at the top of the road.
0:24:47 > 0:24:51Tilly currently uses an electric wheelchair
0:24:51 > 0:24:54but her parents are keen to help with her future mobility and independence
0:24:54 > 0:24:56with a custom made trike.
0:24:56 > 0:24:59- Look at that.- Fantastic. - Whoa! Whoa!
0:24:59 > 0:25:00TILLY SCREAMS
0:25:04 > 0:25:06Use the brake. Whoa! Where's she going?
0:25:06 > 0:25:08Look this way.
0:25:09 > 0:25:10Tilly!
0:25:10 > 0:25:15Supervising Tilly's test drive today is physiotherapist, Claire Lewis.
0:25:16 > 0:25:22It's a really good leg strengthening activity as well as the coordination.
0:25:22 > 0:25:25And again she's got that upright posture
0:25:25 > 0:25:27because she's got the good support.
0:25:27 > 0:25:29It's fantastic for communication.
0:25:29 > 0:25:32She can enjoy the scenery because she knows she's well supported.
0:25:33 > 0:25:38Really good for exercise tolerance and her fitness as well.
0:25:38 > 0:25:43It gives her that opportunity to be out there doing what other children are doing.
0:25:43 > 0:25:45Yes, it's fantastic.
0:25:45 > 0:25:49She took to it like a duck to water. She was...
0:25:49 > 0:25:52You can see with the expression on her face and everything.
0:25:52 > 0:25:54She really liked it.
0:25:54 > 0:25:56After all that hard work.
0:25:56 > 0:25:59I hope she'll be able to do what she wants to do,
0:25:59 > 0:26:03live where she wants to live and live independently.
0:26:03 > 0:26:06I think it's important for her to have that choice,
0:26:06 > 0:26:09not to have to stay with us.
0:26:11 > 0:26:15Like other young people leave home and go and live on their own
0:26:15 > 0:26:17and become independent.
0:26:17 > 0:26:21I'd like her to carry on with her education.
0:26:21 > 0:26:23She's adamant. She's asking for college already.
0:26:25 > 0:26:28- Three of us and a cat.- Eh?
0:26:28 > 0:26:31- Three of us and a cat. - Mad, aren't we.
0:26:31 > 0:26:37We've been dealt a deck of cards and we've been dealt a hand and we have to deal with that hand.
0:26:37 > 0:26:40And I think we have.
0:26:40 > 0:26:44Whatever's been chucked at us we had to deal with it and...
0:26:46 > 0:26:48We've come through it so far.
0:26:49 > 0:26:51Yeah.
0:26:56 > 0:26:59As the twins enter their teenage years,
0:26:59 > 0:27:04it's Sioned who's on target for a future career and she's aiming high.
0:27:04 > 0:27:05The crosshairs on the target.
0:27:06 > 0:27:10Cor, well done! Excellent shot. Tremendous.
0:27:10 > 0:27:14She'd like to think she'll be able to get into the police forces.
0:27:14 > 0:27:17She said when she's older she'd like to be an armed policewoman.
0:27:17 > 0:27:20That's why she thought it might give her an advantage
0:27:20 > 0:27:22if she learned how to shoot first.
0:27:22 > 0:27:25We thought we'd get her one for Christmas.
0:27:25 > 0:27:28It rains most of the time so she hasn't been out with it much.
0:27:28 > 0:27:31OK? And then pop it.
0:27:31 > 0:27:34ALL: Wahey!
0:27:34 > 0:27:37For all the trying things you go through with them,
0:27:37 > 0:27:40you definitely wouldn't want to be without them.
0:27:40 > 0:27:42Then you've got times when people knock on our door,
0:27:42 > 0:27:45"Excuse me mister, are these your children?"
0:27:45 > 0:27:47They've just smashed my window or...
0:27:49 > 0:27:52We've had the twins playing football in the street and replacing front windows.
0:27:52 > 0:27:54Cos of footballs.
0:27:54 > 0:28:00The last 12 years, the first couple with the twins and Iestyn, have been trying.
0:28:00 > 0:28:04There's lots of times where you think...(HE SIGHS)
0:28:04 > 0:28:07You could almost do without this sometimes.
0:28:07 > 0:28:10But then, when you sit down and you're watching them
0:28:10 > 0:28:14sleeping on the settee, I'd never be without them.
0:28:14 > 0:28:17- Wouldn't change them for quids. - Love them to bits.
0:28:22 > 0:28:25Next time on Welsh Millennium Babies -
0:28:25 > 0:28:27BABY CRIES
0:28:27 > 0:28:32How did life unfold for baby Phoebe, born by Caesarean section?
0:28:34 > 0:28:38And Debbie's daughter, Lissy, has almost become a teenager.
0:28:38 > 0:28:42- 'So, you are proud of your mum?' - Yeah, but she's embarrassing.
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