Capercaillie @ 30

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0:00:01 > 0:00:03Moran taing, agus oidhche mhath.

0:00:07 > 0:00:10Since their formation 30 years ago, Capercaillie have become

0:00:10 > 0:00:14one of the most influential bands in Scottish traditional music.

0:00:14 > 0:00:17They have taken their music all over the world,

0:00:17 > 0:00:19influenced a new generation of musicians,

0:00:19 > 0:00:21and broadened the appeal and awareness

0:00:21 > 0:00:23of Gaelic culture immeasurably.

0:00:23 > 0:00:25They've sold over a million albums,

0:00:25 > 0:00:27had the first Gaelic song in the UK top 40,

0:00:27 > 0:00:30and have provided music for numerous TV series,

0:00:30 > 0:00:32and even Hollywood movies.

0:00:33 > 0:00:35You always try and go on a journey, musically,

0:00:35 > 0:00:38try and find places you haven't been,

0:00:38 > 0:00:41and, certainly, that's always true of a Capercaillie record.

0:00:45 > 0:00:47I think when we started this journey,

0:00:47 > 0:00:52I thought we were just on some wee tirravie, you know,

0:00:52 > 0:00:54and it would come to an end.

0:00:54 > 0:00:56I thought, you know, we're just having some fun here, this is great.

0:01:02 > 0:01:08The ingredients that go into the cake that is Capercaillie

0:01:08 > 0:01:10are just stunning.

0:01:14 > 0:01:18Donald always had his musical colours nailed to the mast

0:01:18 > 0:01:21in that it was identifiably Scottish music.

0:01:24 > 0:01:26I think we broke up once...

0:01:27 > 0:01:30..and then we went out and had a session and reformed.

0:01:51 > 0:01:52Thank you, Stornoway!

0:01:54 > 0:01:57SHE SINGS

0:02:12 > 0:02:16ACCORDION ACCOMPANIES

0:02:42 > 0:02:45When they first took to the stage in Taynuilt, husband and wife duo

0:02:45 > 0:02:48Donald Shaw and Karen Matheson could never have imaged what lay ahead.

0:02:48 > 0:02:50I want to find out if this piano still works

0:02:50 > 0:02:52Oh, aye.

0:02:52 > 0:02:54Because this piano was there the very first time

0:02:54 > 0:02:56we played Capercaillie,

0:02:56 > 0:03:00and I remember Joany had to tune the fiddle up to even get close to it.

0:03:02 > 0:03:07Is that when you lost your temper at me and Shuna

0:03:07 > 0:03:09and stamped on your flute?

0:03:09 > 0:03:11- I would never do that. - On your whistle?

0:03:11 > 0:03:13You did, cos we started giggling in the middle of it,

0:03:13 > 0:03:16and you took your whistle out your mouth and stamped on it in a rage.

0:03:16 > 0:03:18Are you saying I take things too seriously?

0:03:18 > 0:03:20SHE LAUGHS

0:03:20 > 0:03:21Nothing's ever changed!

0:03:21 > 0:03:23Let's see what this is like.

0:03:23 > 0:03:25HE PLAYS THE PIANO

0:03:25 > 0:03:26Ah, beautiful!

0:03:32 > 0:03:33SHE BEGINS TO SING

0:03:33 > 0:03:35Amazing!

0:03:41 > 0:03:43Ha! Gorgeous!

0:03:44 > 0:03:50Last time I played this was Hogmanay, Millennium Hogmanay.

0:03:50 > 0:03:51- And...- Ah, it was.

0:03:51 > 0:03:54I ended up in a fight with a banjo player,

0:03:54 > 0:03:55which was not for the first time.

0:03:55 > 0:03:58That's right, I remember it.

0:03:58 > 0:04:03And, actually, we were here for your parent's anniversary party.

0:04:03 > 0:04:07Yeah, but you wouldn't have been here the first time

0:04:07 > 0:04:09that Capercaillie played here.

0:04:10 > 0:04:13What?! You mean there was life before me?

0:04:13 > 0:04:17That's when we were the real cult status of the instrumental line-up,

0:04:17 > 0:04:24but the first time we played here was with Martin and Joany and Shaun

0:04:24 > 0:04:28at the Ceilidh, and I don't think

0:04:28 > 0:04:33they liked us very much, actually.

0:04:33 > 0:04:35- Too loud?- Well, too many chords.

0:04:37 > 0:04:40Even in the band's early days in the '80s,

0:04:40 > 0:04:42they were not afraid to follow their own musical path,

0:04:42 > 0:04:46but they were very much out on their own with their sympathetic

0:04:46 > 0:04:48but contemporary arrangement of traditional Gaelic songs.

0:04:49 > 0:04:53What's different about 20-30 years ago is the whole scene's changed

0:04:53 > 0:04:57and it's really vibrant and there's hundreds of bands

0:04:57 > 0:04:59out there playing traditional music.

0:05:05 > 0:05:08'I'd like to think that we were always quite cautious with

0:05:08 > 0:05:11'what we did with the material, that we did treat it with respect'

0:05:11 > 0:05:13cos it is a very precious commodity that we're working with.

0:05:13 > 0:05:15We've always been very aware of that.

0:05:18 > 0:05:21Capercaillie has seen a number of line-up changes

0:05:21 > 0:05:24since Donald and Karen formed the group in Oban High School.

0:05:24 > 0:05:26Let's just try the first verse for a second.

0:05:28 > 0:05:31The current band are in the studio putting the finishing touches

0:05:31 > 0:05:34to their new album, The Heart Of It All.

0:05:35 > 0:05:39It's been five years since the band's last album, Roses and Tears,

0:05:39 > 0:05:42and this new album features the band's trademark arrangements

0:05:42 > 0:05:44of traditional Gaelic song.

0:05:44 > 0:05:47What we really wanted to do was just get down to the basics

0:05:47 > 0:05:51of the songs, a lot of these songs are very old,

0:05:51 > 0:05:56very traditional, and get down to the source of the song

0:05:56 > 0:05:59and trying and make it work best for Karen to perform.

0:06:10 > 0:06:14You cannot go out and play the same music over and over again.

0:06:14 > 0:06:19You have to go into the studio every couple of years and make new music.

0:06:22 > 0:06:24SHE SINGS

0:06:41 > 0:06:44'You feel like the song sometimes is actually coming through you,'

0:06:44 > 0:06:47you're just a vehicle for this thing that's happening,

0:06:47 > 0:06:51this amazing, especially with Gaelic music, this amazing thing

0:06:51 > 0:06:55that happens to you and you're just giving it out to the people.

0:07:16 > 0:07:20Music was all around a young Donald growing up in Taynuilt,

0:07:20 > 0:07:22ten miles south of Oban.

0:07:24 > 0:07:27Parents Paddy and Libby were a big influence

0:07:27 > 0:07:30with his father's love of the accordion having it's effect.

0:07:30 > 0:07:33Neither father nor son have lost any of their enthusiasm

0:07:33 > 0:07:36for the instrument, as Donald shows off his new box.

0:07:37 > 0:07:39Probably about the same weight as the....

0:07:41 > 0:07:44HE PLAYS

0:07:46 > 0:07:48Donald's parents continue to play in a dance band,

0:07:48 > 0:07:51with Paddy on the box and his wife on piano.

0:07:51 > 0:07:54Libby was a driving force behind the early beginnings of Capercaillie

0:07:54 > 0:07:57when she realised Donald's first band, The Etives,

0:07:57 > 0:07:59required a good vocalist.

0:08:00 > 0:08:03I felt that it would be a really nice thing to do

0:08:03 > 0:08:05with my eldest daughter, Shuna, and Donald,

0:08:05 > 0:08:09and the obvious answer to me was to get Karen

0:08:09 > 0:08:12cos she had the most beautiful voice in Taynuilt.

0:08:14 > 0:08:16You were just driving, were you?

0:08:16 > 0:08:17Maybe not then.

0:08:18 > 0:08:22Don't know that you were. Donald certainly wasn't cos he was only 13.

0:08:22 > 0:08:25It was difficult getting a double bass in the car, anyway.

0:08:25 > 0:08:29Very difficult. It was great fun, probably, for me.

0:08:29 > 0:08:31Got you two together!

0:08:31 > 0:08:33Oh dear!

0:08:33 > 0:08:36- It was great fun for us, too. - It was awesome, it was great.

0:08:42 > 0:08:45This is when we had our first group, The Etives,

0:08:45 > 0:08:48and this is where the iconic photo...

0:08:48 > 0:08:51You were just about where that cowpat was, right there,

0:08:51 > 0:08:56and there was my sister, Shuna, who played the fiddle,

0:08:56 > 0:08:59and Andrew Campbell on the bass,

0:08:59 > 0:09:04and we were just stood looking windswept and interesting

0:09:04 > 0:09:05- with kilts on.- We all wore kilts.

0:09:05 > 0:09:08- Please, make the pose. - And matching blue shirts.

0:09:09 > 0:09:12Actually, I was like this, cos I was playing the guitar.

0:09:12 > 0:09:13Oh, yeah, that's right, yeah.

0:09:13 > 0:09:15Of a fashion!

0:09:15 > 0:09:17It's a bit like those iconic covers, you know,

0:09:17 > 0:09:21like Sergeant Peppers or The Joshua Tree by U2,

0:09:21 > 0:09:23it's much the same.

0:09:24 > 0:09:27We did a couple of summer seasons in Oban

0:09:27 > 0:09:30playing for the tourists and stuff like that.

0:09:30 > 0:09:36£12 - that's what we got paid. That was our best fee.

0:09:36 > 0:09:38You were quite good on the two chords that you knew.

0:09:38 > 0:09:41I played the penny whistle.

0:09:41 > 0:09:45Andrew had a double bass with three strings, and, eh...

0:09:45 > 0:09:47You sang The Crystal Chandeliers you actually sang!

0:09:47 > 0:09:49Yeah, that's a collector's piece of music.

0:09:49 > 0:09:51- Your voice hadn't broken. - All right, all right.

0:09:51 > 0:09:53Don't need to talk about that.

0:09:55 > 0:09:57# Oh, the crystal chandeliers

0:09:59 > 0:10:03# Light up the paintings on your wall... #

0:10:03 > 0:10:05The band has played all over the world,

0:10:05 > 0:10:08has built up a considerable body of work,

0:10:08 > 0:10:10and they're always pushing their music forward

0:10:10 > 0:10:12and never rest on their laurels.

0:10:12 > 0:10:14- We're always sitting in the house, aren't we?- Always.

0:10:14 > 0:10:16Listen to our records with a glass of wine.

0:10:16 > 0:10:19"Let's listen to that record again. Oh, you were great there."

0:10:19 > 0:10:21No, we never listen to our...

0:10:21 > 0:10:24I don't even know the names of the records we've made.

0:10:27 > 0:10:32So, Karen, I have here five long playing records,

0:10:32 > 0:10:34otherwise known as vinyl,

0:10:34 > 0:10:37that chart the early history of Capercaillie.

0:10:38 > 0:10:42The test for you this very moment is to put them in order of release.

0:10:42 > 0:10:45I want to see how much you remember correctly about this band.

0:10:45 > 0:10:48- You have got to be joking. - Put them in order of release.

0:10:48 > 0:10:50- Surely you can get that right. - I could go by the hair, maybe.

0:10:50 > 0:10:53And that's not mine, that's just Manus's.

0:10:54 > 0:10:56Right, let me see now.

0:10:57 > 0:10:59OK, I know that's the first one.

0:10:59 > 0:11:02- Right, Cascade. - I'm wearing the same top.

0:11:02 > 0:11:04Oh, Lord, the fashion comes back round again.

0:11:04 > 0:11:05It does, if you wait long enough.

0:11:05 > 0:11:07And then...

0:11:09 > 0:11:11- Crosswinds. - That's going well.

0:11:13 > 0:11:15And then, Capercaillie...

0:11:15 > 0:11:16Delirium?

0:11:16 > 0:11:18No, you're miles away.

0:11:18 > 0:11:21Oh, no, Sidewalk, of course, yes indeed.

0:11:23 > 0:11:25- And then Delirium.- Yep.

0:11:25 > 0:11:30- And then Secret People. Pretty good. - Not bad.- Only got one wrong.

0:11:33 > 0:11:35In the 1970s, the folk music scene

0:11:35 > 0:11:38in Scotland and Ireland was changing.

0:11:38 > 0:11:41Arguably, Ireland was leading this change, with bands like Planxty

0:11:41 > 0:11:44adding driving rhythms and slick arrangements to the old tunes.

0:11:44 > 0:11:48But in Scotland, outfits like Ossian and Boys of the Lough

0:11:48 > 0:11:50were also creating a more contemporary sound.

0:12:02 > 0:12:06Of particular influence to the young Capercaillie were the band

0:12:06 > 0:12:09fronted by brothers Phil and Johnny Cunningham.

0:12:11 > 0:12:15Silly Wizard were a high-octane, trad music powerhouse

0:12:15 > 0:12:18that attracted a new and younger audience to the music.

0:12:18 > 0:12:20It all felt very organic at the time.

0:12:20 > 0:12:23There were a lot of bands trying to do the same thing,

0:12:23 > 0:12:27and all taking it in their own direction.

0:12:27 > 0:12:29I mean I remember having some

0:12:29 > 0:12:31quite specific plans at one point,

0:12:31 > 0:12:34very sure of where I wanted to go until the following week,

0:12:34 > 0:12:35and it would change again,

0:12:35 > 0:12:37and then I was very sure where I wanted to go,

0:12:37 > 0:12:39and then it would change again.

0:12:40 > 0:12:46WOMEN SINGING

0:12:50 > 0:12:53Flora MacNeil was a key influence on Karen.

0:12:53 > 0:12:56The recording of Flora's first album marked an important sea change

0:12:56 > 0:12:58on how Gaelic music was heard.

0:12:58 > 0:13:01Moving away from the orchestral-based arrangements

0:13:01 > 0:13:03that had prevailed in the '50s and '60s,

0:13:03 > 0:13:06this was Gaelic song in it's purest form.

0:13:14 > 0:13:18Another band, Na h-Oganaich, had realised if they could broaden

0:13:18 > 0:13:20the appeal of Gaelic song with more modern arrangements

0:13:20 > 0:13:23they could find a fresh audience for the music.

0:13:26 > 0:13:28Na h-Oganaich were a huge inspiration at the time,

0:13:28 > 0:13:31at that stage when we were teenagers,

0:13:31 > 0:13:34because they were using Gaelic songs and making them...

0:13:34 > 0:13:38And they were cool, they were folky and hip,

0:13:38 > 0:13:40not the way we'd been presented them before,

0:13:40 > 0:13:43so we used to listen to a lot of that.

0:13:49 > 0:13:50The new album is now recorded

0:13:50 > 0:13:53and it's time to take to the road for some live gigs.

0:13:53 > 0:13:57The first destination is Stornoway for the HebCelt Festival.

0:13:57 > 0:13:59But taking to the stage in front of an expectant audience

0:13:59 > 0:14:02still has an affect on some band members.

0:14:03 > 0:14:06Quite nervous, but excited, as well.

0:14:06 > 0:14:09The atmosphere's always just electric at these things

0:14:09 > 0:14:12and you get off on that and you go with that. It's great.

0:14:12 > 0:14:15I do get nervous, so I'm a bit nervous just now

0:14:15 > 0:14:18but it's good for you, you know, it keeps you on your toes.

0:14:18 > 0:14:21A wee bit of adrenalin is a good thing, I think.

0:14:22 > 0:14:25Capercaillie are making a welcome return to HebCelt,

0:14:25 > 0:14:29and playing to a Gaelic audience is something they always savour.

0:14:29 > 0:14:32It's a real honour to come and play at this festival and to be seen

0:14:32 > 0:14:36as a headline act, because they've had some great acts over the years.

0:14:36 > 0:14:39It's very much for us about taking the music back to the people.

0:14:41 > 0:14:43American singer-songwriter Darryl Scott

0:14:43 > 0:14:45will be joining them on stage this evening.

0:14:45 > 0:14:48I suppose it's strange, someone like Darryl Scott

0:14:48 > 0:14:51is more a transatlantic type guest.

0:14:51 > 0:14:55For Capercaillie, for years we used to tour America,

0:14:55 > 0:14:57so that's just a touch of that with Darryl.

0:15:01 > 0:15:04Collaboration has always been important to Capercaillie,

0:15:04 > 0:15:08and whatever line-up or venue, one thing always remains constant -

0:15:08 > 0:15:10their musicality and sensitive arrangements

0:15:10 > 0:15:11of other musicians' material.

0:15:11 > 0:15:14# And I bet they danced them a jig

0:15:14 > 0:15:18# And they laughed and sang a new song

0:15:18 > 0:15:25# Who said we'd never leave Harlan alive? #

0:15:31 > 0:15:33Donald, you know and the group,

0:15:33 > 0:15:36I mean, they're great. And Donald know what he's...

0:15:36 > 0:15:39He's such a great music director when he's in that role,

0:15:39 > 0:15:43or band leader when he's in that role, or arranger.

0:15:43 > 0:15:49So, you know, when he called to see if I'd do a number with him,

0:15:49 > 0:15:51he knew the number, he already knew the key it was in,

0:15:51 > 0:15:54he'd probably already practiced it.

0:15:56 > 0:16:02In the last few years we have been playing as a six-piece, as well,

0:16:02 > 0:16:06which would involve myself, Charlie, Donald and Karen,

0:16:06 > 0:16:12plus two others maybe Michael McGoldrick, and Ewen, of course.

0:16:13 > 0:16:20That's for acoustic venues, which we are doing a bit more of now,

0:16:20 > 0:16:22but I have to say the big....

0:16:22 > 0:16:26I think we all prefer the eight-piece.

0:16:38 > 0:16:42Playing to audiences of that size would have been an unlikely prospect

0:16:42 > 0:16:45back in the mid 1980s, when a young Capercaillie

0:16:45 > 0:16:47were still making their first roots.

0:16:47 > 0:16:51But the young Donald Shaw always knew there was huge potential

0:16:51 > 0:16:53in what they were doing.

0:16:56 > 0:16:59Donald always had a passion and a vision, I think,

0:16:59 > 0:17:01for what Capercaillie could achieve.

0:17:01 > 0:17:03He was always driven.

0:17:03 > 0:17:07Right from the first day I met him, I could see,

0:17:07 > 0:17:11I mean that was part of the charm, if you like,

0:17:11 > 0:17:15that he had so much energy and enthusiasm

0:17:15 > 0:17:17for what he was doing, for music.

0:17:17 > 0:17:22He brought that energy to me because for me it was just, as I say,

0:17:22 > 0:17:25the early years for me I was kind of dragged round ceilidhs

0:17:25 > 0:17:29singing by my father, and I really didn't enjoy it at all.

0:17:29 > 0:17:35It was terrifying, nerve-wracking and I would have looked for an escape.

0:17:35 > 0:17:37But Donald brought something to that for me.

0:17:37 > 0:17:40He brought it to life for me.

0:17:40 > 0:17:43You know, he made me see it through different eyes

0:17:43 > 0:17:47that actually there was something really exciting going on here.

0:17:51 > 0:17:55In 1983, the band put down their tracks for their first album,

0:17:55 > 0:17:58Cascade, but it didn't come easy to Karen.

0:17:58 > 0:18:04The first few years of Capercaillie I just found it utterly terrifying,

0:18:04 > 0:18:10and that would go right back to my school days when I started singing.

0:18:10 > 0:18:15I would have this fear I would go on to sing

0:18:15 > 0:18:17and I would burst into tears.

0:18:17 > 0:18:21And it took me a long time to shake that off,

0:18:21 > 0:18:25to be confident enough to stand up and perform in public,

0:18:25 > 0:18:27and I could never really believe that anybody would want

0:18:27 > 0:18:31to hear me singing, because I never really thought

0:18:31 > 0:18:33that I was doing anything different to anybody else.

0:18:33 > 0:18:38I mean, I group up with singers in the village.

0:18:38 > 0:18:39All my friends sang, as well,

0:18:39 > 0:18:43it's not like I felt like I was any different.

0:18:43 > 0:18:45I just maybe had more opportunities.

0:18:50 > 0:18:53The maturity of their arrangements belied their youth,

0:18:53 > 0:18:56and it was clear from the outset they had something very special.

0:18:56 > 0:18:58But at that point a career in traditional music

0:18:58 > 0:18:59seemed like a pipe dream.

0:18:59 > 0:19:03The very idea that you would go on and making a living from that

0:19:03 > 0:19:04was pretty daft.

0:19:04 > 0:19:07You would never have thought that at the time.

0:19:07 > 0:19:09No, I don't think so, no.

0:19:09 > 0:19:15We pretty much had college courses on hold for a couple of years.

0:19:15 > 0:19:17We'll do this, then it will be a disaster

0:19:17 > 0:19:19and then we'll go to college.

0:19:25 > 0:19:27On the back of that first album,

0:19:27 > 0:19:29radio and TV appearances soon followed,

0:19:29 > 0:19:32and in 1985 they toured Canada

0:19:32 > 0:19:34with new member Charlie McKerron on fiddle.

0:19:34 > 0:19:38I had left school at that point, gone to Glasgow

0:19:38 > 0:19:42and done a secretarial course, gone back to Oban and started

0:19:42 > 0:19:45working in community education,

0:19:45 > 0:19:48and that was just at the stage that Donald was leaving school

0:19:48 > 0:19:52and had been accepted for various universities.

0:19:52 > 0:19:56Charlie had just left university having done a biology degree.

0:19:58 > 0:20:01We were all just on that cusp of will we settle down

0:20:01 > 0:20:07and do something sensible or will we just throw caution to the wind?

0:20:26 > 0:20:27Follow me, it's down here.

0:20:27 > 0:20:29Oh, Lordy. Right, he says...

0:20:29 > 0:20:30He SAYS it's down here.

0:20:33 > 0:20:37It's like a platform where we stood and there's a section down here.

0:20:39 > 0:20:41It was in 1996 I believe.

0:20:41 > 0:20:421946.

0:20:44 > 0:20:47I don't know how he remembers, he remembers everything.

0:20:47 > 0:20:48It's that thing there.

0:20:51 > 0:20:52That one.

0:20:52 > 0:20:53This one?

0:20:54 > 0:20:57The trees have also grown up behind, look.

0:20:58 > 0:20:59Can't see a thing.

0:20:59 > 0:21:02MUSIC: "Am Buachaille Ban" by Capercaillie

0:21:12 > 0:21:15Despite their early success, there were still traditionalists

0:21:15 > 0:21:17who didn't approve of the band's musical direction.

0:21:19 > 0:21:23I think there was a little bit of, you know...

0:21:23 > 0:21:26it was kind of sacrilege that I was using synthesisers

0:21:26 > 0:21:27with old Gaelic songs.

0:21:29 > 0:21:31But it never really bothered us.

0:21:31 > 0:21:33It wasn't something that was...a big deal.

0:21:33 > 0:21:36I think people were always very supportive,

0:21:36 > 0:21:39they could see that we were trying.

0:21:39 > 0:21:41We weren't messing with the music, as such,

0:21:41 > 0:21:43we were trying to make it.

0:21:43 > 0:21:45Actually, we weren't trying to do anything

0:21:45 > 0:21:47we were doing what excited us.

0:21:54 > 0:21:56Certainly in a contemporary way, you know,

0:21:56 > 0:21:59Runrig would have paved the way for that, kind of, you know,

0:21:59 > 0:22:00full-on rock treatment of songs,

0:22:00 > 0:22:04so I don't think we were ever worried about what people thought

0:22:04 > 0:22:05about what we did.

0:22:05 > 0:22:07We were always more acoustic anyway.

0:22:09 > 0:22:12Since their beginnings, Capercaillie have always delved deep

0:22:12 > 0:22:14into the Gaelic song tradition.

0:22:15 > 0:22:18This involved frequent visits to the school of Scottish Studies

0:22:18 > 0:22:21to listen to their precious archive field recordings

0:22:21 > 0:22:23and this resource still plays an important role,

0:22:23 > 0:22:26but in some ways times have changed.

0:22:26 > 0:22:30It's easier to find material because there's thousands of hours

0:22:30 > 0:22:33of Gaelic songs that have been digitised now.

0:22:34 > 0:22:37So you have something like Tobair an Dualchais,

0:22:37 > 0:22:44which has digitised recordings from the School of Scottish Studies

0:22:44 > 0:22:47from the last 50 years.

0:22:47 > 0:22:49And in some collections alone there might be

0:22:49 > 0:22:5220 or 30,000 hours of songs.

0:22:56 > 0:22:58The late '80s saw the Irish influence continue

0:22:58 > 0:23:01with the additional of bouzouki player Manus Lunny.

0:23:02 > 0:23:06Well, I happened to be working with Scottish musicians,

0:23:06 > 0:23:10Phil Cunningham and Andy M Stewart from Silly Wizard.

0:23:14 > 0:23:18I got a call one day wondering if I would do a tour in the US,

0:23:18 > 0:23:21that was in late 1988,

0:23:21 > 0:23:26and I did the tour and that was it, I've been with them since.

0:23:34 > 0:23:36I actually said to Donald at the time, "I'll do it"

0:23:36 > 0:23:38cos I had just bought a sitar.

0:23:38 > 0:23:41"I'll do it, I'll join Capercaillie. Come on, gie's a job"

0:23:41 > 0:23:42He said "No."

0:23:45 > 0:23:48MUSIC: "Fear A Bhata" by Capercaillie

0:23:53 > 0:23:55There was a thing called The Blood Is Strong,

0:23:55 > 0:23:58which was a documentary series

0:23:58 > 0:24:00they did the soundtrack to that.

0:24:00 > 0:24:03So they were filtering into your psyche

0:24:03 > 0:24:05slowly but very surely at that point.

0:24:10 > 0:24:13While Capercaillie were finding new markets for their music,

0:24:13 > 0:24:18traditional Irish bands like Clannad were heading for mainstream success.

0:24:18 > 0:24:20Ireland was an important signpost

0:24:20 > 0:24:22for the burgeoning scene in Scotland.

0:24:22 > 0:24:25I was watching what was happening in Ireland with great interest

0:24:25 > 0:24:26and listening to the Bothy Band

0:24:26 > 0:24:28and the things that Donal Lunny was doing.

0:24:28 > 0:24:31The rhythms, the accompaniment, were changing -

0:24:31 > 0:24:34the way that people were accompanying melodies.

0:24:34 > 0:24:37The speed was knocking up a notch.

0:24:37 > 0:24:40It was all about entertainment and getting the audience on side.

0:24:56 > 0:24:58Lots of people who listened to pop music

0:24:58 > 0:25:01and rock music and jazz and whatever else -

0:25:01 > 0:25:04listening to an uilleann piper playing slow air

0:25:04 > 0:25:07with nothing else happening was just too much.

0:25:16 > 0:25:17CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

0:25:17 > 0:25:20There was nothing really like that coming out of here.

0:25:20 > 0:25:23The Irish musicians were much more advanced

0:25:23 > 0:25:26and we were excited by what they were doing.

0:25:26 > 0:25:28MUSIC: "Theme From Harry's Game" by Clannad

0:25:31 > 0:25:36In 1982 Clannad, fully embracing the electronic sounds of that time,

0:25:36 > 0:25:38released the Theme From Harry's Game

0:25:38 > 0:25:40reaching number five in the UK Charts.

0:25:49 > 0:25:53Proof that with the right approach to traditional music and Gaelic song

0:25:53 > 0:25:55wider commercial success was possible.

0:26:12 > 0:26:14At the same time as Capercaillie

0:26:14 > 0:26:16were sharing their new take on Gaelic song

0:26:16 > 0:26:18with new and broader audiences,

0:26:18 > 0:26:20Irish band Affan were having the similar success

0:26:20 > 0:26:23with music from native Donegal tradition.

0:26:23 > 0:26:25Singer and Fiddler Mairead Ni Mhoanaigh

0:26:25 > 0:26:28recognised the parallel paths the band were taking.

0:26:28 > 0:26:32I remember the first time I heard you with Capercaillie

0:26:32 > 0:26:37was at the Edinburgh Festival or at the Glasgow Folk Festival years ago.

0:26:37 > 0:26:39That might have been it.

0:26:39 > 0:26:42But it was brilliant because it was something similar.

0:26:42 > 0:26:45You were doing something parallel to ourselves.

0:26:45 > 0:26:47We were acoustic and you were more rock'n'roll.

0:26:47 > 0:26:49You were youthful people.

0:26:49 > 0:26:52Then Karen was singing in Gaelic and I was singing in Gaelige,

0:26:52 > 0:26:54so we had a lot in common.

0:26:54 > 0:26:57We were trying to find a wider audience

0:26:57 > 0:27:00that never heard this music before without compromising too much.

0:27:02 > 0:27:03SHE SINGS

0:27:06 > 0:27:09The next stage of Capercaillie's musical development

0:27:09 > 0:27:12was to see them reach incredible heights,

0:27:12 > 0:27:15and one man in particular was to play an important role

0:27:15 > 0:27:17in producing the sound of their next three albums

0:27:17 > 0:27:20and the success that was to follow.

0:27:22 > 0:27:25Manus's brother, the legendary Donal Lunny.

0:27:39 > 0:27:42Donal was seen to be the perfect producer for the album

0:27:42 > 0:27:43that would become Sidewalk,

0:27:43 > 0:27:47having had huge success with artists such as The Bothy Band,

0:27:47 > 0:27:50Planxty, Moving Hearts and Christy Moore.

0:27:50 > 0:27:52When a producer was mentioned,

0:27:52 > 0:27:54people were sort of expecting me to say your name

0:27:54 > 0:27:58and they were sort of glad to hear that I suggested your name

0:27:58 > 0:28:01because it was an obvious choice, really.

0:28:05 > 0:28:10My function with Capercaillie was as, I mean,

0:28:10 > 0:28:14a sort of glorified quality control would be what it was,

0:28:14 > 0:28:17because everybody knew what they were doing.

0:28:19 > 0:28:21It worked very well in general.

0:28:23 > 0:28:26We didn't have any, what would you say, differences.

0:28:29 > 0:28:33There was one instance where I just couldn't see what you were doing

0:28:33 > 0:28:36in terms of the piece but you begged to differ.

0:28:39 > 0:28:40I don't remember that!

0:28:40 > 0:28:42There was a bit of a standoff.

0:28:42 > 0:28:44You mean it sounded too good, is that it?

0:28:44 > 0:28:46It was just awful!

0:28:51 > 0:28:52SHE SINGS

0:29:02 > 0:29:05The next album was to have an even bigger impact than Sidewalk.

0:29:34 > 0:29:36And for the first time a Gaelic song was to make it

0:29:36 > 0:29:38into the UK singles chart.

0:29:38 > 0:29:43There was a single off Delirium - Coisich A Ruin

0:29:43 > 0:29:44that went into the charts.

0:29:53 > 0:29:57We were asked to do some music for a TV documentary

0:29:57 > 0:30:01about Prince Charles going to hang out in Berneray.

0:30:02 > 0:30:08And they released a...

0:30:08 > 0:30:11CD of the music that

0:30:11 > 0:30:13we did for it but they put

0:30:13 > 0:30:16Coisich a Ruin on it as well as a lead track.

0:30:16 > 0:30:19THEY SING IN GAELIC

0:30:21 > 0:30:23It got in the Top 40, didn't it?

0:30:23 > 0:30:25It did. That's how it happened.

0:30:25 > 0:30:27Number 39.

0:30:33 > 0:30:36There was a couple of articles in the papers saying that we'd

0:30:36 > 0:30:41sold out in the sense that it looked like we were trying to

0:30:41 > 0:30:47commercialise the music with grooves or electronic synth sounds or

0:30:47 > 0:30:51whatever. And I always thought it was the opposite. I always

0:30:51 > 0:30:56thought, well, selling out to me would be making the same record

0:30:56 > 0:30:58every two years for the rest of our lives, just a traditional record

0:30:58 > 0:31:03because for me it was always about moving on and trying new things.

0:31:12 > 0:31:16The band's musical arrangement continued to break new ground,

0:31:16 > 0:31:18placing Gaelic music in a contemporary context.

0:31:20 > 0:31:24The use of keyboards to create a bigger, more lush sound. Donald

0:31:24 > 0:31:27was always very good at sculpting that kind of thing

0:31:27 > 0:31:29and the arrangements were always very, very thoughtful.

0:31:29 > 0:31:31SHE SINGS IN GAELIC

0:31:39 > 0:31:42It was very compelling because it was new

0:31:42 > 0:31:45and it had never been heard in that kind of way before and it wasn't

0:31:45 > 0:31:50straight ahead like folk rock. It was far removed from that.

0:31:56 > 0:32:00I think that Donald had a vision from the very beginning

0:32:00 > 0:32:05and such a qualified and capable musician anyway which was

0:32:05 > 0:32:08reflected in the music that Capercaillie put together.

0:32:13 > 0:32:16I don't think anything has sold more than Delirium. That was what

0:32:16 > 0:32:19brought us into the mainstream.

0:32:31 > 0:32:35Following the success of Delirium, demand for the band gathered pace.

0:32:35 > 0:32:38The venues got bigger, as did the audiences.

0:32:38 > 0:32:40Touring continued in Europe, the Middle East

0:32:40 > 0:32:44and Northern America, as Capercaillie spread their sound wider and wider.

0:32:53 > 0:32:59I have to say that I still hear bands playing music in a way

0:32:59 > 0:33:02that obviously reflects the influence of Capercaillie.

0:33:02 > 0:33:04It's all over the place.

0:33:06 > 0:33:08# Welcome, Mother Nature

0:33:08 > 0:33:10# Welcome to... #

0:33:10 > 0:33:12Despite their success,

0:33:12 > 0:33:15certain aspects don't sit comfortably for Karen.

0:33:15 > 0:33:19I've never felt comfortable being a spokesperson. The singing

0:33:19 > 0:33:23part was fine, you know, because I was within a certain comfort zone

0:33:23 > 0:33:25that I could be.

0:33:29 > 0:33:31But interviews, things like that I've never

0:33:31 > 0:33:34been comfortable with or even photographs.

0:33:34 > 0:33:39It just wasn't something I ever imagined I would end up doing.

0:33:44 > 0:33:46APPLAUSE

0:33:46 > 0:33:49To finish the show another number from their new album Secret People.

0:33:49 > 0:33:55This one's called Four Stone Walls. Ladies and Gentlemen, Capercaillie.

0:33:57 > 0:34:00The third album produced by Donal Lunny, Secret People,

0:34:00 > 0:34:03entered the album charts and further affirmed the band's

0:34:03 > 0:34:07position as the preeminent force in contemporary traditional music.

0:34:07 > 0:34:10# We are born of ancient family

0:34:10 > 0:34:12# Living here all our days

0:34:12 > 0:34:15# And though we love our scenery

0:34:15 > 0:34:18# Wouldn't we just love somewhere to stay?

0:34:20 > 0:34:22# It's an order for eviction

0:34:22 > 0:34:27# And I can't believe I'm seeing what I see

0:34:28 > 0:34:31# If it kills I will surround myself

0:34:31 > 0:34:33# With four stone walls

0:34:34 > 0:34:36# A little pride upon the shelf

0:34:36 > 0:34:40# And four stone walls around me. #

0:34:41 > 0:34:46I feel like I spent the first ten years of Capercaillie in quite

0:34:46 > 0:34:53an unhappy place because I was so nervous and tense and once

0:34:53 > 0:34:58you shake that off... After the first 20 years it gets really good!

0:35:02 > 0:35:06In January 1994 the sense of a growing confidence in our own

0:35:06 > 0:35:09culture and the appetite for live performances by bands like Capercaillie

0:35:09 > 0:35:13led to the establishment of a winter music festival in Glasgow

0:35:13 > 0:35:15and Celtic Connections was born.

0:35:20 > 0:35:24Donald Shaw took over as festival director in 2007

0:35:24 > 0:35:28and is steering the festival in a very exciting direction, applying

0:35:28 > 0:35:30the same ambition to this role as has been his trademark

0:35:30 > 0:35:31throughout his career.

0:35:36 > 0:35:38The festival has grown year on year

0:35:38 > 0:35:41and the programming has continued to diversify and create musical

0:35:41 > 0:35:45connections from all corners of the folk world, and far beyond.

0:35:52 > 0:35:54But it never forgets it's roots

0:35:54 > 0:35:58and still provides a concert platform to the very best of the Trad Music Scene.

0:36:27 > 0:36:30Passing on the music to the next generation is key to

0:36:30 > 0:36:32the continuing the strength of any tradition.

0:36:32 > 0:36:34Hiya, how you doing?

0:36:34 > 0:36:38And Charlie McKerron takes this aspect very seriously.

0:36:41 > 0:36:43One, two.

0:36:43 > 0:36:48In July 2013, he set up his first fiddle camp near Aviemore.

0:36:48 > 0:36:53Times have really changed for young people... Scope for learning

0:36:53 > 0:36:56and various things from Feis to events like this.

0:37:00 > 0:37:04I think at the end of the day what I'm about is I just like to try and

0:37:04 > 0:37:08be as musical as I can and I try to create that in the classes as well.

0:37:17 > 0:37:19He's well known, well respected.

0:37:19 > 0:37:21You know even in the Irish music world people would know

0:37:21 > 0:37:26Charlie McKerron and would be influenced by his playing.

0:37:29 > 0:37:31Offering a real breadth to the eager students,

0:37:31 > 0:37:36Sharat Srivastava is holding a class in Indian classical violin.

0:37:36 > 0:37:39For me, you know, Charlie is like my brother and I've always seen a

0:37:39 > 0:37:43child in Charlie who is always keen to learn something new every day.

0:37:46 > 0:37:48Starting around the same time as Capercaillie,

0:37:48 > 0:37:52the Feisean movement has provided an exciting platform for traditional music.

0:37:52 > 0:37:55That's been, for me, the single biggest

0:37:55 > 0:38:00catalyst for the renaissance of traditional music in the last

0:38:00 > 0:38:0730 years. Whatever way you look at it because through the youth it's

0:38:07 > 0:38:13given people a sense of confidence and pride in their music and songs.

0:38:13 > 0:38:17We were fortunate when we started out that there was a

0:38:17 > 0:38:20lot of interest in the community that we grew up in, ie

0:38:20 > 0:38:23the school, but I think that was quite unique, you know? I don't think

0:38:23 > 0:38:26there were quite the opportunities then that there are now.

0:38:26 > 0:38:29The beauty of now is the Feisean movement, it has progressed

0:38:29 > 0:38:33so much over the last 30 years that we've been doing it.

0:38:35 > 0:38:37We've been running a project

0:38:37 > 0:38:39Feisean Nan Gaidheal for a number of years

0:38:39 > 0:38:43now called Ceilidh Tours where young people get the opportunity to have a

0:38:43 > 0:38:47few weeks training and they want to do something with someone well known

0:38:47 > 0:38:51so we got in touch with Karen and we're very happy that she agreed to

0:38:51 > 0:38:54appear with them tonight so they're really looking forward to it.

0:38:54 > 0:38:58I've grown up listening to Capercaillie music. That was

0:38:58 > 0:39:01the first traditional band I was exposed to as a child.

0:39:01 > 0:39:04We're by no means professionals but playing with

0:39:04 > 0:39:08someone that is going to be, well, it's probably invaluable.

0:39:08 > 0:39:09It's one of the things that is

0:39:09 > 0:39:12so great about the Feis is that it gives you the opportunity to

0:39:12 > 0:39:14not only learn more about the music and the language

0:39:14 > 0:39:17but then giving you the opportunity to learn about performing.

0:39:22 > 0:39:25Having 6,000 young people being part of Feisean every year and

0:39:25 > 0:39:30even if a small number of those go on to be professional musicians then

0:39:30 > 0:39:34that's still making an important contribution to Scotland's culture.

0:39:34 > 0:39:37I've said this before,

0:39:37 > 0:39:3930 years ago going to

0:39:39 > 0:39:44Oban High School down there I would have made

0:39:44 > 0:39:50an attempt to hide my accordion going into school for fear of ridicule.

0:39:50 > 0:39:53Now it's strange if you don't go into school without

0:39:53 > 0:39:55an accordion or a fiddle or a clarsach.

0:40:04 > 0:40:07With encouragement like this, these young people could be

0:40:07 > 0:40:10the next generation to export Scottish music around the world.

0:40:14 > 0:40:20Esta cancion se cantabab mientras trabajaba en la isla Barra.

0:40:25 > 0:40:29We used to tour in the States but it was prohibitively expensive

0:40:29 > 0:40:32getting a band our size out,

0:40:32 > 0:40:36so that sort of petered out a bit in the mid '90s,

0:40:36 > 0:40:40but now we tour a lot in Europe,

0:40:40 > 0:40:43and our Spanish audience is fantastic.

0:41:10 > 0:41:12The '90s saw a couple of line-up changes.

0:41:12 > 0:41:15Ewen Vernal, who had played bass with Deacon Blue, joined,

0:41:15 > 0:41:18along with an exciting young piper and whistle player

0:41:18 > 0:41:20Michael McGoldrick.

0:41:20 > 0:41:21It's great to be in a band

0:41:21 > 0:41:24with the musicianship of Capercaillie, really, for me,

0:41:24 > 0:41:26because I have learnt a lot, as well as touring.

0:41:26 > 0:41:29They were going 15 years before I came along.

0:41:36 > 0:41:38When Mike first started working with Capercaillie,

0:41:38 > 0:41:40I remember him coming back to Manchester

0:41:40 > 0:41:43and he had a little change in the way he was lilting the tunes.

0:41:43 > 0:41:47Instead of going daddily-didily, as we would in Irish,

0:41:47 > 0:41:50he was giving it more of a hi-diddy-ho!

0:41:50 > 0:41:54We could feel the Scottish influence was seeping in there.

0:42:32 > 0:42:35August 2013, and the band make a return visit

0:42:35 > 0:42:39to the famous Festival Interceltique in Lorient, Brittany.

0:42:39 > 0:42:44We're very delighted to be here celebrating our 30th anniversary.

0:42:44 > 0:42:48The festival has been a big influence to us over the years.

0:42:48 > 0:42:52You meet these bands around the States and around Europe

0:42:52 > 0:42:55and you meet up and play some music.

0:42:59 > 0:43:02The band has suffered broken limbs at this festival.

0:43:03 > 0:43:05Not naming any names.

0:43:05 > 0:43:07Initials only... Charlie McKerron.

0:43:07 > 0:43:10That's that whole thing of having a couple of pints before you

0:43:10 > 0:43:13go on stage just to get rid of the nerves,

0:43:13 > 0:43:16but, in Lorient, sometimes the gigs are delayed

0:43:16 > 0:43:19by as much as an hour and that can be catastrophic.

0:43:23 > 0:43:28I think if you're part of a band like this where there's eight people

0:43:28 > 0:43:34and everyone has quite strong musical personalities,

0:43:34 > 0:43:36I think it only functions if you think of yourself

0:43:36 > 0:43:39as part of a bigger picture.

0:43:39 > 0:43:41It's about keeping your ears open,

0:43:41 > 0:43:43listening to what everyone else is doing.

0:43:49 > 0:43:53I decided there was an important part for Chimp, our percussionist,

0:43:53 > 0:43:57to do in one of the sets of tunes, so I just left him a message.

0:44:12 > 0:44:16I feel so close to them. They are very important to me.

0:44:16 > 0:44:18They know about our music,

0:44:18 > 0:44:20we know about their music,

0:44:20 > 0:44:22and there's mutual respect,

0:44:22 > 0:44:26and, in that mutual respect, everything is possible.

0:44:33 > 0:44:34It's definitely more than music,

0:44:34 > 0:44:36because there's not only the music,

0:44:36 > 0:44:38there is something behind the music.

0:44:41 > 0:44:47This is a big moment, like an alien leaving the ship.

0:44:47 > 0:44:50It's it quarter to nine, local?

0:44:50 > 0:44:52It's quarter to nine.

0:44:57 > 0:45:00Generally, there will be a core set list,

0:45:00 > 0:45:03and if we have to shift, we can.

0:45:03 > 0:45:05We can do that again on stage.

0:45:05 > 0:45:11Just a look, a word, a raised hand...

0:45:11 > 0:45:14Communication, when you've been together as long as us,

0:45:14 > 0:45:17it doesn't take much... Communication is pretty key.

0:45:18 > 0:45:22That lettering is a bit large for me on the stage.

0:45:22 > 0:45:23So you want it a little bit...

0:45:23 > 0:45:26- What do you reckon? Like 12? - Really, really small.

0:45:26 > 0:45:28I'll go back to my computer and spend an hour doing that.

0:45:28 > 0:45:30- Minimise it.- What size do you want?

0:45:30 > 0:45:33- I can do different... - Also a bit smaller than that...

0:45:33 > 0:45:35Probably better doing it in braille.

0:45:35 > 0:45:38Or in a foreign language.

0:45:38 > 0:45:42- Good. Good job.- The whole thing is a foreign language.

0:45:47 > 0:45:50There's a camaraderie that goes on, on stage as well as off,

0:45:50 > 0:45:56that's really quite special.

0:45:56 > 0:45:59And I think, if that ever died,

0:45:59 > 0:46:02then that would be the reason to stop.

0:46:05 > 0:46:09The festival celebrates the musical and cultural links

0:46:09 > 0:46:11between the Celtic nations of Scotland, Ireland, Wales,

0:46:11 > 0:46:15The Isle of Man, Northern Spain and, of course, Brittany.

0:46:36 > 0:46:39Wow, enjoyable! Great!

0:46:39 > 0:46:41Superb! Good! I'm so pleased.

0:46:43 > 0:46:45With such a long musical association,

0:46:45 > 0:46:48Lorient audiences have a special place in their hearts

0:46:48 > 0:46:50for Capercaille.

0:46:58 > 0:47:001995 was another landmark year for the band

0:47:00 > 0:47:03when they were invited to sing on the soundtrack

0:47:03 > 0:47:05to blockbuster movie Rob Roy.

0:47:09 > 0:47:13Despite the allure of Hollywood, the music the band provided

0:47:13 > 0:47:15remained true to their roots.

0:47:15 > 0:47:17It was very exciting.

0:47:17 > 0:47:22I mean, obviously, being in a Winnebago beside Liam Neeson

0:47:22 > 0:47:26and Jessica Laing, that was absolutely thrilling.

0:47:30 > 0:47:32Ancient Gaelic song

0:47:32 > 0:47:36providing a fitting cultural context to the tale of Rob Roy.

0:47:36 > 0:47:38What's very much at the heart of Capercaillie, I think,

0:47:38 > 0:47:44is just the music and the craic that we have when we're doing it,

0:47:44 > 0:47:46and that's what's kept us doing it.

0:47:46 > 0:47:48Not the accolades or...

0:47:48 > 0:47:53You know, it's very simple and straightforward.

0:47:56 > 0:47:58After just a few hours sleep in Lorient,

0:47:58 > 0:48:02the summer tour continues, as a tired bunch head for Devon

0:48:02 > 0:48:05and the Sidmouth Folk Festival.

0:48:05 > 0:48:09More miles notched up on their summer festival tour.

0:48:15 > 0:48:18This is great, isn't it?

0:48:24 > 0:48:26I think we're pretty tight on this side here.

0:48:29 > 0:48:33The popular seaside town has staged the festival every year since 1955.

0:48:33 > 0:48:35It is a very community based event,

0:48:35 > 0:48:39and locals and holiday makers come together to enjoy the festivities.

0:48:49 > 0:48:53Look at that! He's got about four foot on his left-hand side!

0:48:53 > 0:48:57- He's got loads of room.- Arse.

0:48:57 > 0:49:01Here, we really are at the heart of the English folk scene.

0:49:01 > 0:49:04Negative of me to say that the band could struggle...

0:49:04 > 0:49:06Of course, they won't struggle,

0:49:06 > 0:49:09but it will be a challenging audience for them, that's for sure.

0:49:31 > 0:49:33You're never 100% sure how you're going to go down.

0:49:33 > 0:49:36And you can usually tell within the first 10 or 15 minutes

0:49:36 > 0:49:40if it's working or not, or if you have to change direction.

0:49:42 > 0:49:45Well, I left something in Lorient. I just remembered it.

0:49:45 > 0:49:48So...it's all my notes from that Baggad thing.

0:49:50 > 0:49:52So I'm going to get them before the soundcheck.

0:49:52 > 0:49:55Donald will be so upset if I don't have them.

0:49:55 > 0:49:58See, these bits are the bits that everyone misses,

0:49:58 > 0:50:00this corner section here.

0:50:00 > 0:50:04It's apparently quite important for how the collar sits,

0:50:04 > 0:50:05that's what I've learnt.

0:50:09 > 0:50:10Hello.

0:50:10 > 0:50:12Remember me?

0:50:12 > 0:50:15Aye, see, I've seen this happen before in this part of the world -

0:50:15 > 0:50:17they get a bit starstruck.

0:50:17 > 0:50:20Ah, come on, you must remember me.

0:50:20 > 0:50:22Yeah, completely starstruck.

0:50:22 > 0:50:26Well, when you do come to, er, we've lost our percussionist,

0:50:26 > 0:50:27he's a few miles out there,

0:50:27 > 0:50:30so it would be great if you could try and save him,

0:50:30 > 0:50:33get him back for half eight - I think that's when the gig is.

0:50:36 > 0:50:39Who's the most important? Who goes on first?

0:50:39 > 0:50:42Is Devon ready for Capercaillie?

0:50:42 > 0:50:43Er, me.

0:50:43 > 0:50:46Or are Capercaillie ready for Devon?

0:50:46 > 0:50:48- You go first.- I'll go first. - You go first.

0:50:51 > 0:50:54APPLAUSE

0:51:12 > 0:51:15SHE SINGS IN GAELIC

0:51:24 > 0:51:26CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

0:51:26 > 0:51:28Right, that's that.

0:51:28 > 0:51:31'Yeah, we escaped, I think.'

0:51:31 > 0:51:33They didn't maul us, they didn't demand that

0:51:33 > 0:51:35we go back to Scotland and never come back again.

0:51:35 > 0:51:39No, it was great actually, they were a really warm audience.

0:51:39 > 0:51:42We actually changed the set a little bit halfway through,

0:51:42 > 0:51:45went for the Gaelic angle, and it worked.

0:51:45 > 0:51:48You can never go wrong with the Gaelic angle, I think.

0:51:48 > 0:51:50Really happy.

0:51:51 > 0:51:53- Thanks, that was great.- Ah, cheers.

0:51:55 > 0:51:56Next stop, Shrewsbury.

0:52:05 > 0:52:09But after 30 years together how long can the band continue?

0:52:09 > 0:52:10I rely on it a lot.

0:52:10 > 0:52:13What happens in the future is another thing.

0:52:13 > 0:52:19I've been with them 26 years and for the last maybe 15 years I've...

0:52:19 > 0:52:22It's gone through my head, when is this going to stop?

0:52:22 > 0:52:26And I'm prepared, it has to stop at some stage,

0:52:26 > 0:52:29but I'm quite glad it's still going.

0:52:32 > 0:52:35The band are back in the studio refining a couple of tracks

0:52:35 > 0:52:37before an upcoming radio session.

0:52:37 > 0:52:41And they haven't lost their attention to detail yet.

0:52:41 > 0:52:45Feels a bit, er...a bit jaunty,

0:52:45 > 0:52:48you know, coming out of the straight.

0:52:48 > 0:52:52'We know how to achieve what we want to achieve, that's half the battle,'

0:52:52 > 0:52:57but it's still an exciting moment when you press record.

0:53:08 > 0:53:12Obviously Donald is so busy with other projects now.

0:53:12 > 0:53:16The Celtic Connections has taken up a huge chunk of his year.

0:53:16 > 0:53:21Obviously that influences what we can do as a band

0:53:21 > 0:53:26but we just manage to take pockets of time here and there

0:53:26 > 0:53:29and just try and juggle it and make it work, you know.

0:53:35 > 0:53:38They're keeping it fresh for themselves as well as for

0:53:38 > 0:53:42the public. It's very plausible for the public to get fed up of...

0:53:42 > 0:53:44you know, of the same old stuff!

0:53:44 > 0:53:48But Capercaillie have stayed very true to themselves.

0:53:48 > 0:53:50The essence has remained the same throughout.

0:54:03 > 0:54:04It's not them and us any more.

0:54:04 > 0:54:07There was a long time when everybody's music was pigeonholed,

0:54:07 > 0:54:09and even within traditional music

0:54:09 > 0:54:14they were all pigeonholed, and now these barriers have all come down.

0:54:18 > 0:54:21World on Three presented by Mary Ann Kennedy

0:54:21 > 0:54:25is one of Radio 3's flagship world-music shows.

0:54:25 > 0:54:28The band have been invited to play a session on the programme,

0:54:28 > 0:54:33a true testament to the position they hold on the world-music stage.

0:54:33 > 0:54:35KAREN SINGS IN GAELIC

0:54:46 > 0:54:50Musically, it's just an ongoing process.

0:54:50 > 0:54:54We've got the luxury of having a wealth of material to tap into

0:54:54 > 0:54:57at the School of Scottish Studies, erm,

0:54:57 > 0:55:00and also the boys are writing all the time, writing tunes.

0:55:00 > 0:55:03But the material's there and as long as we've got the energy

0:55:03 > 0:55:06and the enthusiasm to do it I think we'll still be doing it.

0:55:09 > 0:55:12There's absolutely no commercial pressure for a band like us

0:55:12 > 0:55:15because there...

0:55:15 > 0:55:18there is no record industry to speak of any more, like there

0:55:18 > 0:55:23used to be 20 years ago, so in a sense you're not in any way

0:55:23 > 0:55:29making music for an audience, because mostly what happens now is

0:55:29 > 0:55:32people are making music for a live situation, which we've always done.

0:55:45 > 0:55:4830 years from now I would like to see the momentum

0:55:48 > 0:55:51that's gathered in the last 30 years

0:55:51 > 0:55:54going at the same pace, if not faster.

0:55:54 > 0:55:59I would like to see people as excited about it in 30 years

0:55:59 > 0:56:01as they appear to be now.

0:56:02 > 0:56:06Back to a home audience, as the band headline at the Blas Festival

0:56:06 > 0:56:09in Inverness, before ending the year with a UK tour.

0:56:14 > 0:56:18I think what's become very evident just in the last two or three years

0:56:18 > 0:56:20is that we've actually...

0:56:20 > 0:56:24we're there for each other in much more than just the musical sense.

0:56:24 > 0:56:27You know, there's been a lot of personal things, a lot of stuff

0:56:27 > 0:56:34that's gone on that has brought us together, and again it's...

0:56:34 > 0:56:37being with a group of people for 30 years is a long time.

0:56:37 > 0:56:39It has a legacy

0:56:39 > 0:56:45and I really do think we'll go into our dotage as...as friends.

0:56:45 > 0:56:47SONG: "At The Heart Of It All"

0:57:15 > 0:57:18# The poems and the musings

0:57:18 > 0:57:22# Of Sorley MacLean

0:57:22 > 0:57:28# They tumble and cascade across the page of every man

0:57:29 > 0:57:32# They will rise and spring to life again

0:57:32 > 0:57:35# In a song for the good of all

0:57:37 > 0:57:44# Where a people and their land are at the heart of it all

0:57:44 > 0:57:50# At the heart of it all is a calling to this land

0:57:50 > 0:57:57# In the words of our salvation is a song for the common man

0:57:57 > 0:58:04# At the heart of it all is a story to be told

0:58:04 > 0:58:12# For the sake of our salvation and the troubles we behold. #