:00:10. > :00:11.This programme contains very strong language
:00:12. > :00:13.This is the BBC Home Service.
:00:14. > :00:17.Here is the first news for today, Sunday the 3rd,
:00:18. > :00:23.The fourth anniversary of our entry into the war opens with more news
:00:24. > :00:27.of German defeats in the west, east and south.
:00:28. > :00:30.The Belgian frontier has now been crossed by two American spearheads.
:00:31. > :00:42.And it was on the 18th of December 1943 that you were born.
:00:43. > :00:46.The label on your cot said "Keith Richards".
:00:47. > :00:48.Born in a hospital near Dartford, England.
:00:49. > :00:55.Thousands of babies were born the same day and you were one
:00:56. > :01:00.You're alive, you're healthy, you've got parents that will take
:01:01. > :01:07.AIR RAID SIREN BLARES PLANES FLY OVERHEAD
:01:08. > :01:18.For around you is being fought the worst war ever known.
:01:19. > :01:34.We'd kept on at it to save our skins.
:01:35. > :01:37.And also because we had a feeling deep down inside us
:01:38. > :01:40.that we were fighting for you, for you and all the other babies.
:01:41. > :01:42.You didn't know anything about this, of course.
:01:43. > :01:46.But you were part of the war, even before you were born.
:01:47. > :01:54.Are you going to have greed for money or power,
:01:55. > :01:56.ousting decency from the world as they have in the past?
:01:57. > :01:59.Or are you going to make the world a different place,
:02:00. > :02:16.Doris, my mum, the family, everybody's scrambling
:02:17. > :02:22.According to Mother, the sirens were going off
:02:23. > :03:02.MUSIC: We'll Meet Again by Vera Lynn
:03:03. > :03:06.much about that, except that I have a complete hatred
:03:07. > :03:14.AIR RAID SIREN BLARES DOG WHIMPERS
:03:15. > :03:38.I wasn't there, of course.
:03:39. > :03:45.I mean, I was smart enough not to be at home at the time, apparently.
:03:46. > :04:01.MUSIC: Gimme Shelter by The Rolling Stones
:04:02. > :04:08.Luftwaffe pilots got chicken halfway up the river, turned round
:04:09. > :04:14.They weren't going to go any further into London.
:04:15. > :04:22.It's not something that you dwell on because it's just
:04:23. > :04:25.what happened to you and you managed to squeak out the other end,
:04:26. > :04:32.Every experience that you go through from the minute you're born
:04:33. > :04:39.You're hearing things, you're taking in information
:04:40. > :04:42.and you're especially feeling other people's emotions.
:04:43. > :04:45.That does have an effect, even though you don't
:04:46. > :04:52.If I walk down a hotel corridor and there's some old war movie
:04:53. > :04:54.playing and I hear it through the door and
:04:55. > :05:00...the hair on the back of my
:05:01. > :05:21.MUSIC: Street Fighting Man by The Rolling Stones
:05:22. > :05:53.Dad enlisted, you know, and got blown up in the army.
:05:54. > :05:59.He got mortared D-Day, or soon after.
:06:00. > :06:01.Mum was driving bread vans and she had never
:06:02. > :06:14.You know, "Here's another locking loaf of Hovis."
:06:15. > :06:38.MUSIC: Factory Girl by The Rolling Stones
:06:39. > :07:07.WINSTON CHURCHILL: At 2.41am, Grand Admiral Doenitz,
:07:08. > :07:11.the designated head of the German state, signed the act
:07:12. > :07:24.MUSIC: The Last Time by The Andrew Oldham Orchestra
:07:25. > :07:28.The minute the war was over, Churchill was voted out.
:07:29. > :07:47.Security from war, food, houses, clothing, employment,
:07:48. > :07:49.leisure and social security for all must come before
:07:50. > :07:56.We have shown that we can organise the resources of the
:07:57. > :08:04.There was a feeling that there was a need for change and you kind
:08:05. > :08:36.My dad's side of the family were staunch socialists,
:08:37. > :08:40.Apparently arrived out of the West Country
:08:41. > :08:52.My grandfather was a mate of Keir Hardie.
:08:53. > :09:44.And my grandmother was a mayor of Walthamstow on the Labour ticket.
:09:45. > :10:26.Let's go forward into this fight in this year it of William Blake.
:10:27. > :10:28.For a couple more years, we must go short.
:10:29. > :10:31.Here's the ration for one book being readied.
:10:32. > :10:33.And there's your ration spread out in all its glory.
:10:34. > :11:13.So many babies have been born lately, they've had to get busy
:11:14. > :11:23.You'll go there one day and meet Mick.
:11:24. > :11:35.I lived in different parts of Dartford.
:11:36. > :11:38.I think I would say I had a real affection for the joint.
:11:39. > :11:55.It's a stick-up joint and it still is.
:11:56. > :11:58.They have a tunnel now and guys with uniforms who take the money,
:11:59. > :12:01.but in the old days, you had to come down East Hill,
:12:02. > :12:04.There'd be a bunch of guys with stagecoaches.
:12:05. > :12:08.They would routinely have a bag and toss it beside the toll because,
:12:09. > :12:11.if they didn't do that, there'd be a flare shot up, they'd
:12:12. > :12:28.MUSIC: You Got The Silver by The Rolling Stones
:12:29. > :13:03.The trouble is, it isn't always pleasant to have to be a good boy.
:13:04. > :13:10.A little guy - I mean, he was only about five foot five,
:13:11. > :13:18.# A poor man's made out of muscle and blood
:13:19. > :13:42.# Another day older and deeper in debt...
:13:43. > :13:44.I had to do leap frogs, do this, you know,
:13:45. > :13:50.# Whoa, you've been digging my potatoes...
:13:51. > :13:52.He wanted to teach me certain, you know, little
:13:53. > :14:03.# Well, you've been digging my potatoes...
:14:04. > :14:07.Even though he'd got his leg half blown off in the war, he recovered
:14:08. > :14:11.There was a massive scar that went right up the thigh.
:14:12. > :14:21.He said, "The war, I don't want to talk about it, boy."
:14:22. > :14:27.When I was growing up, he played it straight
:14:28. > :14:33.as straight as straight as straight, you know.
:14:34. > :14:38.He worked for General Electric, Osram's, you know, making tubes.
:14:39. > :14:41.His mentality came from the Depression in the '30s.
:14:42. > :14:57.There was a certain distance between us.
:14:58. > :15:01.But I also knew he had a very deep heart and I also knew that he had
:15:02. > :15:05.I mean, I got very few, "Well done, son."
:15:06. > :15:07.But then I realised that he's working so damn hard,
:15:08. > :15:18.My mum, on the other hand, was very subversive.
:15:19. > :15:26.# I met a cowboy riding the range one day...
:15:27. > :15:28.From her remarks and her piss-taking, I got some
:15:29. > :15:41.Mother loved to sing around the house, she was like a warbler.
:15:42. > :15:43.She knew the dials, she could go from, like,
:15:44. > :15:45.the Light Programme, Ella Fitzgerald,
:15:46. > :15:57.# ..really get the feeling of romance...
:15:58. > :16:03.# And watch the door and in-between our dreams...
:16:04. > :16:10.Pretty much filled the day with good music in my
:16:11. > :16:25.So, I grew up with this, like, music, music, music.
:16:26. > :16:38.Sometimes I remember feeling a little jealous with other families
:16:39. > :16:40.and kids that had brothers and sisters, you know,
:16:41. > :16:45.Adult problems, Mum and Dad arguing about the rent...
:16:46. > :16:57.When you grew up, you didn't really think about it, you just
:16:58. > :17:06.You'd find bits of shrapnel and, you know, you could make a deal
:17:07. > :17:13.on a bit of shrapnel or a cartridge case, you know.
:17:14. > :17:22.What I remember about my favourite bomb hole was some farmer had put
:17:23. > :17:28.A beautiful old horse, you know, put-out,
:17:29. > :17:42.And she'd let us ride and she'd trot us around the bombsite.
:17:43. > :17:48.I know it's a bomb hole and it nearly killed me.
:17:49. > :18:19.I also remember the white horse, you know, and its gentleness.
:18:20. > :18:24.It probably makes you more introverted and you go more into
:18:25. > :18:42.books. I was big on aircraft for a while.
:18:43. > :18:54.He had broken the sound barrier, what is that? It is a big deal, all
:18:55. > :19:01.right? I was always going for Airfix, I tried my best. I liked the
:19:02. > :19:12.glue! And what would you have liked for your birthday? I wanted to break
:19:13. > :19:16.the sound barrier! I thought there was something inside that everybody
:19:17. > :19:18.else would recognise. Don't they realise they have a genius on their
:19:19. > :19:38.hands? My mum's side of my family,
:19:39. > :19:41.the Duprees, were spinners, they were master weavers
:19:42. > :19:43.of silk...and brocade, apparently, in the 17th
:19:44. > :19:44.and 18th century - Basically, all performers
:19:45. > :19:48.of one kind or another. Very strong personalities,
:19:49. > :19:51.very ribald sense of humour, Maybe just runs in the Dupree
:19:52. > :20:00.family. To go there and visit
:20:01. > :20:03.the Duprees was like going to another world,
:20:04. > :20:04.compared to, like, Aunt Joy, she was really
:20:05. > :20:28.larger than life. She was...filled the room
:20:29. > :20:32.when she walked in. I mean, most people visit
:20:33. > :20:49.their aunties and it's the most Yep, up the Seven Sisters Road,
:20:50. > :21:11.seven daughters, and with the wife, So it was a house full
:21:12. > :21:17.of women all the time, which is probably one of the reasons
:21:18. > :21:24.that made him and me so close. The Duprees and the Richards
:21:25. > :21:27.were absolutely two I really enjoyed summer holidays
:21:28. > :21:49.with Mum and Dad. I really liked to watch my mum
:21:50. > :21:52.and dad relax for a few days Because otherwise it
:21:53. > :21:55.was grind, you know, # Ain't got a Cadillac or a big
:21:56. > :22:03.automobile # I'm just a little guy
:22:04. > :22:09.Not a big-time wheel # On my rocking bicycle
:22:10. > :22:15.that's built for two... # We don't care if we're
:22:16. > :22:20.a little bit late... # On my rocking bicycle that's built
:22:21. > :22:26.for two I've got a little iron crate
:22:27. > :22:42.on the back of a tandem. Yeah, they left me too long
:22:43. > :22:46.with the western sun on the back # On my rocking bicycle
:22:47. > :23:02.that's built for two. There was another village right
:23:03. > :23:13.next called Hallsands It was no longer inhabitable,
:23:14. > :23:22.it had collapsed into the sea. But, for a young kid,
:23:23. > :23:24.it was kind of I mean, I make friends
:23:25. > :23:39.pretty easily, you know. I used to get the accent down
:23:40. > :23:42.in a couple of days and I'd pretend WEST COUNTRY ACCENT:
:23:43. > :24:27."Where you be going?" You were aware that there was a
:24:28. > :24:32.class difference but whether it mattered not was a different thing.
:24:33. > :24:35.It didn't bother mum and dad too much, they just liked to do what
:24:36. > :24:44.they wanted to do. They liked to play tennis. Tennis is a
:24:45. > :24:52.middle-class game. Oh, I say, smashing cricket stroke! I never had
:24:53. > :24:57.any feeling at Bexley tennis club that there was any class difference
:24:58. > :25:02.just because you had a car rather than a bike. In fact, sometimes the
:25:03. > :25:18.other way around, they admired us biking in. My game and set! The
:25:19. > :25:21.phrase when I was growing up was, before the war... Like the Golden
:25:22. > :25:39.age. Everybody was missing the kind of
:25:40. > :25:47.camaraderie that they had during the war. Friendship and, we are all in
:25:48. > :25:55.this together. In a way they almost missed the damn thing. You got a lot
:25:56. > :26:08.of love and affection but not a lot of things.
:26:09. > :26:11.My birthday being 18th December, this is a week before Christmas Day.
:26:12. > :26:14.I remember aunties, because they had a great sense of humour,
:26:15. > :26:16.they'd send me a left sock for my birthday...
:26:17. > :26:18...and I'd get the right one for Christmas, you know.
:26:19. > :26:25.You couldn't stuff yourself with sweets
:26:26. > :26:30.Probably why we're still so skinny, the Stones, you know.
:26:31. > :26:40.You treasured your half an ounce of humbugs, aniseed balls.
:26:41. > :26:44.But if it's not there, you don't miss it.
:26:45. > :26:51.The last thing to come off British rationing was sugar.
:26:52. > :27:03.# Happy days are here again...
:27:04. > :27:07.Everybody had been saving up pennies and stuff for ages.
:27:08. > :27:11.So you'd go rushing round every possible sweet shop in town.
:27:12. > :27:12."I've got money!" you know.
:27:13. > :27:21.So it was kind of like rationing again, for a few days.
:27:22. > :27:34.MUSIC: You Can't Always Get What You Want by The Rolling Stones
:27:35. > :27:51.If you ban something, you want it.
:27:52. > :27:56.There's an automatic reaction in human beings.
:27:57. > :28:01.You say you can't do this and then I got to do it, you know.
:28:02. > :28:04.Careful watch is kept on the children's teeth for any
:28:05. > :28:05.decay or irregularities, and, when necessary,
:28:06. > :28:12.# All I want for Christmas is my two front teeth...
:28:13. > :28:15.You couldn't scare me if you come to me with a gun.
:28:16. > :28:27.They were pretty rough when we were growing up.
:28:28. > :28:30.They were all out of the Army, and it was just like
:28:31. > :28:34.Mine were ripped out with an old wrench.
:28:35. > :29:01.We used to bicycle to the bank of the Thames.
:29:02. > :29:03.We used to go down there, very dangerous area, very fascinating.
:29:04. > :29:14.It's not called Gravesend for nothing!
:29:15. > :29:18.One day we got to this pillbox, a lot of flies buzzing in there.
:29:19. > :29:27.So we got out and we thought nothing of it.
:29:28. > :29:31.Now, I sort of say, "Why didn't we, sort
:29:32. > :30:02.There were also army deserters still living down there by the banks. I
:30:03. > :30:29.got shot in the ours with a BB gun. You would go to the station, Penny
:30:30. > :30:39.for the guy. A measly amount, wouldn't get much for that! But it
:30:40. > :30:49.was a good try. Anything to set fire to something. There was a fireball
:30:50. > :30:58.at the fireworks factory? The whole damn thing blew up, massive
:30:59. > :31:06.explosion. It was just gunpowder and it all went up in one Big Bang. All
:31:07. > :31:15.of the fumes... Nothing to do with me!
:31:16. > :31:18.We used to live at the back of a greengrocer's store
:31:19. > :31:22.A couple of mates and me, we just got into it,
:31:23. > :31:26.you know, and got covered in it, we covered the walls,
:31:27. > :31:31.we covered the whole bloody garden in it.
:31:32. > :31:34.My grandmother, she's furious when I get back and she pretended
:31:35. > :31:37.to go out and make a phone call and said, "I'm calling
:31:38. > :31:54.I'm on my knees, I'm it's him...
:31:55. > :31:59.I'm dying.
:32:00. > :32:01.It is sometimes a terrible thing to be a little boy.
:32:02. > :32:04.At that moment, the idea of being separated and torn
:32:05. > :32:06.away and put in a home or something was like...
:32:07. > :32:10.And she kept at it for an hour or two.
:32:11. > :32:17.It was the most horrific day of my life.
:32:18. > :32:23.When Dad came home, he said, "I've calmed her down,
:32:24. > :33:00.My mum wasn't big on pets, she killed my mouse. And the cat. I put
:33:01. > :33:13.a sign on her bedroom door saying murderer!
:33:14. > :33:35.Pets were not in the game and I loved them.
:33:36. > :33:53.Let's look at the neighbourhoods and see how that is arranged.
:33:54. > :33:58.At least that's my feeling, you know, from Mum and Dad.
:33:59. > :34:05.It had only just been built and it was like
:34:06. > :34:13.Suddenly, you're with this bunch of people you don't know
:34:14. > :34:27.and you all have to sort of form a community of some kind.
:34:28. > :34:30.So, yeah, I won't say that you felt particularly secure there.
:34:31. > :34:52.But you did feel that everybody else was in the same bloody boat.
:34:53. > :34:54.Now that you're seven, you'll be going to this school.
:34:55. > :34:58.Because of the time of year I was born, I was always in a class
:34:59. > :35:02.So I was always three inches shorter than everybody else.
:35:03. > :35:06.So I always had to deal with bigger boys.
:35:07. > :35:08.Half the time I ran away like a yellow...
:35:09. > :35:14.And then I got smart and made friends with a big bloke
:35:15. > :35:33.And he'd walk home with me and beat the sods off.
:35:34. > :35:35.I know how terrifying it can be to expect
:35:36. > :35:52.All I could concentrate on was, "How do I get out of taking a beating?"
:35:53. > :36:07.Keith grazed his knee badly last night.
:36:08. > :36:24.Why's everybody always pickin' on me?
:36:25. > :36:31.Some teachers gave you a feeling of openness and that things could get
:36:32. > :36:37.better. Luckily some teachers made you feel good about knowing things
:36:38. > :36:45.rather than shoving it down your throat. Then you had other guys out
:36:46. > :36:51.of the Army who saw the kids as another bunch of people to push
:36:52. > :36:57.about. Square bashing, not the most sympathetic bunch of people to learn
:36:58. > :37:02.things from. I wasn't happy with my education even as a kid, I thought
:37:03. > :37:11.it was shabby and just going through the motions. I always got grades C
:37:12. > :37:20.and D, they didn't like my attitude. I always wanted to know more than I
:37:21. > :37:21.was being taught. And I found out far more by going to the public
:37:22. > :37:29.library. Ain't nobody teaching me nothing
:37:30. > :37:49.that I didn't know already. I was into the Dandy and obviously
:37:50. > :38:07.the Eagle. Dan dare, the Mick on. I was heavily into that. -- Dan Dare,
:38:08. > :38:15.the Mekon. The whole idea of space travel. You thought it would be
:38:16. > :38:27.another thousand years but in actual fact it would only be ten or 20.
:38:28. > :38:48.Saturday morning pictures, big deal. Down at the Dartford Beaumont.
:38:49. > :38:52.Frisking pagans were concealed weapons is an art the manager has
:38:53. > :38:57.picked up after years of watching well blessed melodramas. Roy Rogers,
:38:58. > :39:10.I've got to say, if I had a kilo that has got to be it. She is riding
:39:11. > :39:26.this beautiful pony and he's got a guitar. And he rips everybody's as.
:39:27. > :39:30.I'd like to be right. Captain Marvel. A bad episode, you can see
:39:31. > :39:41.why. Always loved a good sea adventure, I
:39:42. > :40:02.still do. And then you realise you could
:40:03. > :40:09.almost be won, free of normal constraints, but either I Bell I
:40:10. > :40:22.take my chances. And it sort of give you some fortitude to take your
:40:23. > :40:26.chances. I had to wait and see, it was always an option. It was
:40:27. > :40:34.escaped, when they are not looking I'm going to run away! The merchant
:40:35. > :40:37.Navy were there, you could jump a boat has a cabin boy. You would have
:40:38. > :41:34.to grow up the hard way. Sundays were like an expanse of
:41:35. > :41:44.boredom and death. Boredom is a sin and I'm not a big one for sin. There
:41:45. > :41:53.has got to be something you can do to think of. I've got to go to
:41:54. > :42:12.church. I was very cynical about it, quite
:42:13. > :42:18.honestly. I just didn't get that Christian feeling. Basically because
:42:19. > :42:25.I wasn't brought up that way. None of my family were at all interested
:42:26. > :42:33.in the established religions, they despise them. In the name of Jesus
:42:34. > :42:39.Christ of Nazareth, I pray you to behold now, amen. Do you feel any
:42:40. > :42:47.better now? You'll make the job as witnesses would come round on
:42:48. > :42:49.knock-on outdoor. And I would be the one to open it and my mum says we
:42:50. > :43:06.don't want none, and buying. What do you want to do on your
:43:07. > :43:12.school holidays? Stay with grandad. I seem to have been the only boy he
:43:13. > :43:18.didn't have, so for me he was more like a friend than a grandfather. I
:43:19. > :43:24.loved him for his humour, he was just generous. Sometimes he would
:43:25. > :43:35.take me out just to get away from all the women. He was a saxophone
:43:36. > :43:45.player. But in the First World War he got gassed. My father says that
:43:46. > :43:52.he got gassed that he couldn't go any more and he didn't have the win
:43:53. > :44:07.for the sax Swede at the violin. He can does pick up the violin and
:44:08. > :44:11.plate. He had a dance band. He used to rock the US places with the code
:44:12. > :44:30.and stuff, they saw him coming with a little neckerchief on, pretending
:44:31. > :44:35.to be a cowboy. He loved to perform. When was the first time you saw live
:44:36. > :44:45.music? You'll might probably a wedding. There was a live band
:44:46. > :44:49.playing in front of you. First off the guys at the foot taller than
:44:50. > :45:01.everybody because there is a stage. That helps! To be three feet taller
:45:02. > :45:13.than everybody else. And it gives you a certain sense of
:45:14. > :45:18.possibilities. Member when you were a kid? You would look in the shop
:45:19. > :45:22.window and the puppies. Gus had a dog called Mr Thompson, in fact the
:45:23. > :45:24.filming was Mr Thompson works because every time you said Mr
:45:25. > :45:49.Thompson the dog would work. He just took me about London, one
:45:50. > :45:51.minute I would be in Oxford Street, the next minutes chatting cross and
:45:52. > :46:03.the next minute we would be in hybrid. He was -- it was an
:46:04. > :46:12.education. You would see the funniest thing on any street corner.
:46:13. > :46:26.I know a lot about all London. Folk just wondering about. My vision and
:46:27. > :46:37.my senses of London are called tar and washing. Bill Shippen was worth
:46:38. > :46:46.money. My dad would pay me to follow the Gypsy carts. They were still
:46:47. > :46:52.burning coal could call, absolutely filthy. The whole place. Covered in
:46:53. > :47:06.grime. And there was a lot of fog, green
:47:07. > :47:33.and hazy. That was London for me. He would take me into music shops
:47:34. > :47:40.but we would always going round the back, we never went in the front
:47:41. > :47:44.door. It was being like -- it would be like getting led into Aladdin 's
:47:45. > :47:48.cave. And he would just sit and perch me on a shelf with a cup of
:47:49. > :47:59.tea and a basket and I would watch people build medical instruments.
:48:00. > :48:10.-- musical instruments. Glue bubbling and they are sticking
:48:11. > :48:26.together. And then he would do his business.
:48:27. > :48:41.Once it was a beautiful summer night, we were on Primrose Hill
:48:42. > :48:44.where you could look over the city. And we went under this tree and he
:48:45. > :48:51.said why don't we just sit there for a minute? And we both just crashed
:48:52. > :49:02.out! What that you all over us and going bloody hell we have got to get
:49:03. > :49:13.home. He teased me with a guitar. I couldn't reach it. He said you keep
:49:14. > :49:21.looking at that. It is beautiful. When you can reach it, then you can
:49:22. > :49:26.try and plate. And he did this for, I don't know, two or three or four
:49:27. > :49:33.years until one day I got smart and pull the chair up! And took it down.
:49:34. > :49:53.Figured it out. And he showed me the first few notes of Malluch winner.
:49:54. > :50:01.When he came back I was playing it to him and he looked down at me with
:50:02. > :50:08.a big smile on his face and he said let me play at. And then he let me
:50:09. > :50:23.have the guitar. To me it was the prize of a century.
:50:24. > :50:37.One day, this Billy came up, and he was the big boy in school.
:50:38. > :50:40...Bruce Lee sort of moves that made it.
:50:41. > :50:43.I was lucky, I think he slipped, and I just saw red.
:50:44. > :50:48.And shoved his neck into the flower beds.
:50:49. > :50:56.After that, I was a protector of other, more vulnerable kids.
:50:57. > :50:58.I never capitalised on my fame on that.
:50:59. > :51:03.I just took care of kids that were scared of other
:51:04. > :51:07.bullies and went, "You're with me, you're cool."
:51:08. > :51:21.Because I suddenly became, "Don't screw with that man."
:51:22. > :51:29.I always feel sorry for the building and away. The guy has a problem. --
:51:30. > :51:57.for the bully in the way. For the first time in history,
:51:58. > :52:02.through the medium of television, the coronation will be witnessed on
:52:03. > :52:07.television sets. We did not have one. Very kind neighbours would
:52:08. > :52:13.leave the curtains open and let us kids, we couldn't hear anything, it
:52:14. > :52:24.was all silent. Martha and you'll and stuff like that. Thanks to Mr
:52:25. > :52:30.Steadman. Anybody there? I am Julie and this is my friend Sam. Something
:52:31. > :52:34.about audio comedy. I like the girls who do... It is still one of my
:52:35. > :52:54.favourites. The construct, they would blast
:52:55. > :53:00.fresh air. How many sexes are there? To! That kind of humour was around
:53:01. > :53:03.on the streets but had never been expressed in the media before. Or
:53:04. > :53:08.actually allowed. He will go to school the next day after the show
:53:09. > :53:16.and everybody would have the line down and everybody would say, you
:53:17. > :53:20.can get the word, you know! It was a collective feeling throughout the
:53:21. > :53:34.whole country. You could join in and laugh. Just as independent
:53:35. > :53:46.television came. Cubicle, kicked, Master control. Robin Hood was
:53:47. > :53:56.great. Ronnie Wood, Ronnie Wood, with his band of men! Everybody
:53:57. > :54:12.reacted to the billboards. By this, by that. They were checking it out
:54:13. > :54:21.here. The Milky bars are only! It was capitalism. Suddenly it was
:54:22. > :54:31.staring you in the face. The mass of consumption. 1212. -- want, want.
:54:32. > :54:50.Get, get. Daz. The Daz white knights are
:54:51. > :55:05.coming your way with big cash prizes. It could be at your house,
:55:06. > :55:15.we're off! My mum was at Hotpoint, she was amazing at flogging off
:55:16. > :55:20.Hotpoint. She would do a demonstration and when I was at
:55:21. > :55:29.school I would do mums accent. It was a performance. Mum was actually
:55:30. > :55:34.a sterner one dress for a while. Because they want it was piling up.
:55:35. > :55:41.I got a message from my mum saying he must be filthy by now, send me
:55:42. > :55:46.your clothes back! And so Mick and Brian, we centre the call was so she
:55:47. > :55:52.could watch the in front of all these people in the court! She was a
:55:53. > :56:09.great mum. If mum wasn't great, it must be a rough way to grow up.
:56:10. > :56:19.I am proud of my old mum and she ain't half proud of me! You know I'm
:56:20. > :56:28.almost grown, yet I'm doing right school. They said I broke the rules.
:56:29. > :56:35.I never been in trouble, I don't read around too much. Dartford Tech
:56:36. > :56:39.was strictly male, I was good at subjects because the teacher was
:56:40. > :56:46.good. Carpentry, yes, metalwork I hated. Some people just get the hard
:56:47. > :56:50.on against you. Take it nice and steady. What are you waiting for?
:56:51. > :57:04.Don't get your finger stuck in there. The girls Grammar School was
:57:05. > :57:07.the opposite of our school. There has been a bridge over the at one
:57:08. > :57:26.time. We got the message. Also, we all expected to go in the
:57:27. > :57:32.bloody army. Conscription was still on. You are all expected to go and
:57:33. > :57:41.peel potatoes. You has to factor that into your own life at 18, you
:57:42. > :57:49.went in the Army. All orders must be obeyed without question at all
:57:50. > :58:07.times. Ludicrous, the waste to get out of it. Get back, get back, get
:58:08. > :58:08.back! Forward, March! Pretends to be gay or something, they would say
:58:09. > :58:20.you're out! There was out of a friend of mine
:58:21. > :58:32.who said I am donning the Scouts and I said I will come along. Follow me,
:58:33. > :58:38.follow me! I got all the knocks and had got bad as all over me, with an
:58:39. > :58:39.armoured. I know how to light a fire, I could set you on fire right
:58:40. > :59:10.now! Suddenly I am a patrol leader. And that is where I realised that
:59:11. > :59:13.I could pull other cats into it I could motivate them,
:59:14. > :59:17.give them a feeling, You know, if we're going to do this,
:59:18. > :59:22.it's got to be the best. It's part of running a band
:59:23. > :59:24.and being in a band. It was a transitional
:59:25. > :59:26.period, really. You know, I'd go home
:59:27. > :59:28.at night and play guitar. Our choirmaster, Jake Clair,
:59:29. > :59:39.he'd been at Oxford or Cambridge, He was a damn good teacher
:59:40. > :59:50.about music, about singing. We had another guy called Terry,
:59:51. > :59:58.we had perfect sopranos. We could "hallelujah"
:59:59. > :00:01.with the best, man, you know? But we were also the biggest
:00:02. > :00:04.reprobates in school. Hallelujah with the
:00:05. > :00:12.cassock and everything. # You were part of this team
:00:13. > :00:21.and you got to go to London and sing # Believe it or not,
:00:22. > :00:27.I sang in front of the Queen. # You can't always get
:00:28. > :00:30.what you want. # You know your voice
:00:31. > :00:33.is going to break and then... HE IMITATES VOICE BREAKING
:00:34. > :00:38.I still remember old Jake Clair, a tear in his eye
:00:39. > :00:40.that he had to fire us. We'd won him all these goddamn
:00:41. > :00:57.medals and shields and stuff... The voice breaks and you get put
:00:58. > :01:02.down a year because you haven't done enough math, you haven't
:01:03. > :01:05.done enough physics. So that the thanks you get -
:01:06. > :01:09.sitting in a class full of kids a year younger than
:01:10. > :01:12.you for another year. That was the first thump
:01:13. > :01:22.of authority and what they can do There you developed a hatred
:01:23. > :01:29.for the Establishment. MUSIC: The Last Time
:01:30. > :01:41.by The Rolling Stones You had to reassess, even at that
:01:42. > :01:43.age, a whole new way 'That's when it started to ferment.'
:01:44. > :01:54.Either you're going to do as you're told for the rest of your life
:01:55. > :01:56.or you're going to I'm getting out of here,
:01:57. > :02:04.one way or another. This is Radio Luxembourg,
:02:05. > :02:12.your station of the stars. That was the signal that,
:02:13. > :02:24.if you positioned the damn thing in the right place,
:02:25. > :02:29.you'd suddenly get Little Richard. # I'm ready Ready, ready,
:02:30. > :02:31.ready, teddy, I'm ready # Ready, ready, teddy # I'm ready, ready,
:02:32. > :02:35.# It expressed everything you wanted to express but didn't
:02:36. > :02:41.A sense of freedom, a sense that there was another life
:02:42. > :02:43.between going to school and going to locking work.
:02:44. > :02:50.It was like the world went Technicolor.
:02:51. > :02:52.This motion picture was photographed in gorgeous,
:02:53. > :03:05.Before rock and roll, it was all black-and-white.
:03:06. > :03:07.These boys have reached the stage of adolescence.
:03:08. > :03:09.We sometimes find adolescents rather irritating but they're
:03:10. > :03:16.The need tactful handling and a good deal of sympathetic guidance.
:03:17. > :03:20.Suddenly, everything was aimed at teenagers.
:03:21. > :03:40.Music: The Spotnicks Theme by The Spotnicks The first time that
:03:41. > :03:43.money had realised what a market there was there.
:03:44. > :04:10.Suddenly the eyes lit up in some advertising agent. At the time you
:04:11. > :04:20.saw that it was just something new. We weren't saying about some wicked
:04:21. > :04:21.desire. Before that they didn't bother.
:04:22. > :04:24.You were either a kid or you were grown up
:04:25. > :04:26.and there was this space in-between that seemed to be ignored when,
:04:27. > :04:28.in actual fact, it's probably the most important
:04:29. > :04:33.Spike was my mate and we were just determined to get expelled.
:04:34. > :04:37.Cross-country, we used to take a smoke and work our way
:04:38. > :04:40.in for the last third of a mile, and I'd come in around a sort
:04:41. > :04:48.of comfy fifth, but they knew what we were up to.
:04:49. > :04:51.You know, we thought for sure you'd get expelled for, like,
:04:52. > :04:54.tripping up a teacher and going, "Whoops."
:04:55. > :04:55.I would be called to the headmaster's office
:04:56. > :05:04.and they'd go, "Well, Richards...
:05:05. > :05:19.GIRLS SCREAM The first live act I remember going to see was Joe
:05:20. > :05:25.# No-one else could catch me # On the hop # Baby,
:05:26. > :05:28.you're the only one # Who ever made me blow my top.
:05:29. > :05:59.The all thought they had some kind of gimmick. Billy Fury made a great
:06:00. > :06:24.record. I got somebody new, and she ate me
:06:25. > :06:29.like you, wait back in those days they were warned by Bill Schechter
:06:30. > :06:35.promoters. They would break you are a student turn up. But at least he
:06:36. > :06:37.was up there playing! And that's all you wanted to do.
:06:38. > :06:40.You wanted to be up there, three feet higher than anybody else
:06:41. > :06:42.and have people say, "Yeah, I like that."
:06:43. > :07:03.Then there was the stuff about Teddy boys, they always look like
:07:04. > :07:09.grown-ups to me. They were a little older. I was interested in the
:07:10. > :07:13.switchblades. They were ripping up cinema seats and a lot of that was
:07:14. > :07:28.just yobs. But at the same time, you can have
:07:29. > :07:36.admired them because they were expressing something. Rather than
:07:37. > :07:41.just playing the game. Have an elephant trunk and you forget. I
:07:42. > :07:42.couldn't afford the club anyway, but the tight pants.
:07:43. > :07:46.I used to wear two pairs of trousers to school.
:07:47. > :07:49.Very uncomfortable all day, I'll tell you.
:07:50. > :07:51.But one skin-tight and then the regulation flannel baggies over
:07:52. > :07:54.the top and the minute you got out the school gate,
:07:55. > :08:13.go behind a tree and then you could walk home like...
:08:14. > :08:25.We went to begin up teachers! -- beating up teachers. And for that
:08:26. > :08:33.they did expel us. Eventually we made it. Getting expelled then was
:08:34. > :08:45.about the worst thing that could happen in a man's life. Getting the
:08:46. > :08:53.piece of paper and all, look. I knew I had disappointed very much. I had
:08:54. > :08:58.to redeem myself. My voice broke and I was longer in the choir. I
:08:59. > :09:08.suddenly needed another musical outlet. And I plunged into guitar
:09:09. > :09:20.playing, I dived the deep, deep dive. At the same time, they threw
:09:21. > :09:23.me the biscuit which was like the big one, you expelled, but you're
:09:24. > :09:35.welcome to go to school. MUSIC: Painter Man by The Creation #
:09:36. > :09:50.Went to college, studied art # To be an artist, make a start # Studied
:09:51. > :09:53.hard, gained my degree # But no-one # Art school was a real
:09:54. > :09:56.eye-opener because suddenly you were with people
:09:57. > :09:59.who were artistic in mind. It was a totally different
:10:00. > :10:06.atmosphere and in those two, There was a freedom
:10:07. > :10:11.about art school that was, Suddenly you can wear whatever
:10:12. > :10:28.you want and you can go to life Painting, I wouldn't
:10:29. > :10:40.say, came into it much. I did realise, after the first year,
:10:41. > :10:42.we're not churning out You're being taught
:10:43. > :10:59.how to advertise. # Here was where the money lay #
:11:00. > :11:03.Classic art has had its day. # You can call it art school
:11:04. > :11:11.but really you're being trained You don't really need how to put
:11:12. > :11:19.a nice angle on the gin. There was a bunch of people that
:11:20. > :11:25.came from advertising agencies for, like, one day a week,
:11:26. > :11:29.usually loudmouth BLEEP. Mac, could you emphasise
:11:30. > :11:32.the last word just a little, bring out the fact that
:11:33. > :11:35.the product is good? Guys with bowties and shit,
:11:36. > :11:38.you know. A white-collar and
:11:39. > :11:41.striped blue shirt. By then, you're starting to be able
:11:42. > :11:45.to sense a phony when you see one. Mac, don't lose that
:11:46. > :11:47.nice, easy approach. And you realise that these people
:11:48. > :11:50.are only there to pick up What I did learn
:11:51. > :12:05.was about friendship. Very pleased to make your
:12:06. > :12:18.acquaintance, madam. # YODELLING Everybody
:12:19. > :12:27.was experimenting with their looks. Bam - they just pulled the button
:12:28. > :12:44.and said, "No more conscription." We went bananas, I mean,
:12:45. > :12:55.the whole day. Suddenly, these years
:12:56. > :12:59.opened up for you. A sense of relief that,
:13:00. > :13:11.you know, is really hard to imagine. If you didn't want to go
:13:12. > :13:17.to life classes, you know, Wizz Jones used to come round
:13:18. > :13:25.and play, which was like a miracle, There was a sort of network
:13:26. > :13:45.within the art school world. MUSIC: Transit Blues by Wizz Jones
:13:46. > :13:48.Werner Lammerhirt A lot of good musicians came out of art school
:13:49. > :13:55.but not many good artists. MUSIC: Boogie In My Bones
:13:56. > :14:02.by Laurel Aitken I knew that the music I'd always listened
:14:03. > :14:07.to was black people. # Well, I feel so good # I've got
:14:08. > :14:16.the boogie in my bones... # Well, I feel so good # I've got
:14:17. > :14:26.the boogie in my bones... # Black people would be like, "Hey,
:14:27. > :14:28.you're all right, brother. Without a knowledge of the blues,
:14:29. > :14:53.if you want to be a player and if you want to work with other
:14:54. > :15:00.guys, without that knowledge and without that enthusiasm,
:15:01. > :15:02.you just become a pop BLUES MUSIC I found out
:15:03. > :15:18.there was a really deep, deep blues and the older cats
:15:19. > :15:24.and I started to research back to Muddy Waters, Robert Johnson,
:15:25. > :15:27.Blind Lemon Jefferson, And of course, being young,
:15:28. > :15:33.people tried to come up with more obscure blues
:15:34. > :15:36.than you've ever heard. MUSIC: Cool Drink Of Water Blues
:15:37. > :15:39.by Tommy Johnson # I asked for water # RADIO EFFECT ON VOICE:
:15:40. > :15:55.This one's from 1926. HE IMITATES WHITE NOISE Very nice,
:15:56. > :15:57.the white noise MUSIC: Detroit Jump
:15:58. > :16:17.by Big Maceo There was Kim this I was young, and some
:16:18. > :16:28.of it is pretentiousness. I always hoped that music should be
:16:29. > :16:30.classless and should be MUSIC: Child Of The Moon
:16:31. > :16:42.by The Rolling Stones It was a feeling, late '50s, early '60s,
:16:43. > :16:45.that there was a change coming. Harold Macmillan actually said
:16:46. > :16:47.it but he didn't mean I felt that too but
:16:48. > :17:07.from a different angle. BABY CRIES MUSIC: Jumpin' Jack Flash
:17:08. > :17:18.by The Rolling Stones I certainly felt that my generation
:17:19. > :17:20.and what was happening I was three years of art school,
:17:21. > :17:57.I take this bloody portfolio up I wasn't interested any
:17:58. > :18:14.more in illustration My portfolio was a piece
:18:15. > :18:23.of crap, quite honestly. They look at it and either they're
:18:24. > :18:26.sniggering or muttering... "By the way, Mr Richards,
:18:27. > :18:29.can you make a good cup of tea?" And that's where the hair went up
:18:30. > :18:32.and I went, "Yeah, I can. And I just walked out and threw
:18:33. > :18:40.the fucking whole thing in the rubbish bin downstairs
:18:41. > :18:50.and that's it, you know. PUNCHING AND GRUNTING
:18:51. > :18:56.The guitar just looked at me and I looked at it and I said,
:18:57. > :18:59."Either you and me get along or I've TRAIN HORN He was on the train
:19:00. > :19:10.with the records. "I know you, "but what you've got
:19:11. > :19:17.under your arm is worth robbing." # Pleased to meet you Hope
:19:18. > :19:21.you guessed my name... # It's only the fact
:19:22. > :19:24.that he was carrying Muddy Waters and Chuck Berry under his arm
:19:25. > :19:29.that we re-hooked, you know, because I've known Mick
:19:30. > :19:31.since I was about four years old... ..but we don't talk
:19:32. > :19:39.about that a lot. MUSIC: Stray Cat Blues
:19:40. > :19:50.by The Rolling Stones # I hear the click-clack of your feet
:19:51. > :19:54.on the stairs # I know you're no scare-eyed honey # There'll be
:19:55. > :19:59.a feast if you just come upstairs # But it's no hanging
:20:00. > :20:00.matter. Suddenly, the Stones were making
:20:01. > :20:38.some bread. I was going to buy them...
:20:39. > :20:40.And I set Mum up in a nice house that she likes
:20:41. > :20:44.and dah-dah... And the weirdest thing
:20:45. > :20:48.being that,