The Highwaymen: Friends Till the End

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0:00:07 > 0:00:09CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

0:00:17 > 0:00:19SONG: Highwayman

0:00:26 > 0:00:27# I was a highwayman

0:00:30 > 0:00:32# Along the coach roads I did ride... #

0:00:33 > 0:00:38Well, I had three of my favourite people out there.

0:00:38 > 0:00:40I loved them all like brothers. We all got along good together.

0:00:40 > 0:00:43We had fun together, we made a movie together.

0:00:43 > 0:00:46We toured the world a couple of times.

0:00:46 > 0:00:48It was just some of the best times of my life.

0:00:49 > 0:00:52# The bastards hung me in the spring of '25

0:00:55 > 0:00:56# But I am still alive

0:01:00 > 0:01:02# I was a sailor

0:01:04 > 0:01:07# I was born upon the tide... #

0:01:07 > 0:01:09These were the icons of American music.

0:01:09 > 0:01:11Not just country.

0:01:11 > 0:01:14Popular American music, you know?

0:01:14 > 0:01:17They had built empires of their own.

0:01:18 > 0:01:22# I went aloft and furled the mainsail in a blow

0:01:24 > 0:01:28# And when the yards broke off they said that I got killed... #

0:01:28 > 0:01:30For me, it was heaven.

0:01:30 > 0:01:33I was up there on stage with my heroes.

0:01:33 > 0:01:35They were people that I worshipped.

0:01:35 > 0:01:38# I was a dam builder

0:01:38 > 0:01:40# Across the river deep and wide

0:01:42 > 0:01:45# Where steel and water did collide

0:01:47 > 0:01:50# A place called Boulder on the wild Colorado

0:01:52 > 0:01:55# I slipped and fell into the wet concrete below

0:01:58 > 0:02:02# They buried me in that great tomb that knows no sound

0:02:03 > 0:02:05# But I am still around

0:02:07 > 0:02:10# I'll always be around and around... #

0:02:10 > 0:02:12The thing that was worth the price of admission

0:02:12 > 0:02:15was to see those four characters walk out on stage.

0:02:15 > 0:02:16It has been said before.

0:02:16 > 0:02:19It truly was the Mount Rushmore of country music.

0:02:19 > 0:02:21It was special.

0:02:21 > 0:02:23# I fly a starship

0:02:23 > 0:02:26# Across the universe divide

0:02:27 > 0:02:30# And when I reach the other side

0:02:32 > 0:02:36# I'll find a place to rest my spirit if I can

0:02:37 > 0:02:41# Perhaps I may become a highwayman again

0:02:43 > 0:02:47# Or I may simply be a single drop of rain

0:02:48 > 0:02:50# But I will remain

0:02:52 > 0:02:55# And I'll be back again and again

0:02:55 > 0:02:58# And again and again and again

0:02:58 > 0:03:01# And again and again... #

0:03:01 > 0:03:03We did nothing we didn't want to do.

0:03:05 > 0:03:08We stood up for things that we believed in.

0:03:08 > 0:03:11It was a beautiful life that way.

0:03:13 > 0:03:17Well, it really all started when John was doing a Christmas show

0:03:17 > 0:03:20in Switzerland and we all just happened to be there.

0:03:20 > 0:03:22# Making music with my friends

0:03:22 > 0:03:25# I can't wait to get on the road again... #

0:03:25 > 0:03:27The Johnny Cash Christmas Special

0:03:27 > 0:03:30from Montreux, Switzerland, was announced.

0:03:30 > 0:03:34It was going to be Waylon Jennings, Kris Kristofferson, Willie Nelson,

0:03:34 > 0:03:36and Johnny Cash.

0:03:36 > 0:03:40This was the very beginning. The Genesis of The Highwaymen.

0:03:40 > 0:03:43It just started with the fact that everyone enjoyed

0:03:43 > 0:03:44being together as friends.

0:03:52 > 0:03:55It was there in Montreux, Switzerland,

0:03:55 > 0:03:57that The Highwaymen really began.

0:03:59 > 0:04:04We probably are as unlikely a group of team-mates

0:04:04 > 0:04:08to appear together as you will ever see,

0:04:08 > 0:04:13because each one of us has achieved whatever we have done

0:04:13 > 0:04:15by going our own way and speaking our own words.

0:04:18 > 0:04:21The show was incredible.

0:04:21 > 0:04:24I don't know anybody that wasn't just blown away by it.

0:04:26 > 0:04:28# I hear the train a comin'

0:04:28 > 0:04:30# It's rolling round the bend

0:04:30 > 0:04:34# I ain't seen the sunshine since I don't know when

0:04:34 > 0:04:37# I'm stuck in Folsom Prison... #

0:04:38 > 0:04:41My father was... In many ways, he was a rebel.

0:04:41 > 0:04:43He was the ultimate image of cool,

0:04:43 > 0:04:47and still is to many who know the man in black and whatever.

0:04:47 > 0:04:50But there is a greater mystery beneath the surface.

0:04:50 > 0:04:53# When I was just a baby

0:04:53 > 0:04:55# My mama told me, son

0:04:55 > 0:04:57# Always be a good boy

0:04:57 > 0:04:59# Don't ever play with guns... #

0:04:59 > 0:05:02He has always been larger-than-life.

0:05:02 > 0:05:06I mean, he has been this dark, driven force, you know,

0:05:06 > 0:05:10he was probably the most exciting performer

0:05:10 > 0:05:14that I had seen in my life at that time.

0:05:16 > 0:05:18A lot of people down there in Nashville

0:05:18 > 0:05:20did not appreciate Johnny Cash,

0:05:20 > 0:05:24because he did not represent the status quo.

0:05:24 > 0:05:26He was a visionary.

0:05:26 > 0:05:30I think when he was at his best and he was right within himself...

0:05:30 > 0:05:32If you look back at the Folsom Prison record, to me,

0:05:32 > 0:05:37which was the unlocking of the worldwide Johnny Cash.

0:05:37 > 0:05:39All of a sudden, the whole world was looking at this town

0:05:39 > 0:05:43because of Johnny Cash. So he had to be reckoned with.

0:05:43 > 0:05:46He was able to come into your home as a mainstream artist,

0:05:46 > 0:05:50telling you truths about the rights of Indians,

0:05:50 > 0:05:51the rights of prisoners.

0:05:51 > 0:05:54# I know I can't be free... #

0:05:55 > 0:05:58These were hot-button topics

0:05:58 > 0:06:00that only a guy of his stature

0:06:00 > 0:06:03could have gotten away with, and had the courage to stand up for.

0:06:11 > 0:06:14I didn't really particularly strike out in a country direction,

0:06:14 > 0:06:18but that is the place where I felt at home, where I belonged.

0:06:18 > 0:06:21It was a kind of music that I was raised on.

0:06:21 > 0:06:25All of us have been kind of hard to label.

0:06:25 > 0:06:30I probably identified as much with Bob Dylan as Hank Williams.

0:06:30 > 0:06:34Bob Dylan idolised John.

0:06:40 > 0:06:42CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

0:06:49 > 0:06:53I met him backstage at the Opry when I was still in the Army.

0:06:53 > 0:06:56When I went to Nashville on leave.

0:06:56 > 0:06:59I saw this guy walk in. He looked like a panther,

0:06:59 > 0:07:04and he was messed up, as he often was in those days.

0:07:04 > 0:07:05He was skinny as a snake,

0:07:05 > 0:07:09but he had an electricity about him in that was...

0:07:09 > 0:07:10That was just...

0:07:10 > 0:07:13It may be the reason I decided to quit the Army

0:07:13 > 0:07:14and go back to Nashville.

0:07:23 > 0:07:25Kris was amazing.

0:07:25 > 0:07:27He was a Rhodes Scholar, he was a boxer,

0:07:27 > 0:07:29he was a helicopter pilot,

0:07:29 > 0:07:34he was a football player and a dedicated songwriter.

0:07:34 > 0:07:39He had given up everything to be a janitor so that he could be around.

0:07:39 > 0:07:44# And the beer I had for breakfast wasn't bad

0:07:44 > 0:07:46# So I had one more for dessert

0:07:52 > 0:07:57# Then I fumbled through my closet for my clothes

0:07:57 > 0:08:00# Found my cleanest dirty shirt... #

0:08:00 > 0:08:04I was a janitor in a recording studio where John recorded.

0:08:04 > 0:08:07I almost got fired one time

0:08:07 > 0:08:12because a couple of songwriters crashed the session.

0:08:12 > 0:08:15They were trying to pitch him a gospel album.

0:08:15 > 0:08:21For some reason, the woman who was the secretary to the producer

0:08:21 > 0:08:24blamed me for letting them in there

0:08:24 > 0:08:25and tried to get me fired.

0:08:25 > 0:08:29The next night, my boss came down and said,

0:08:29 > 0:08:33"I don't think you should go to John's session tonight."

0:08:33 > 0:08:37I hid down in the vault of the recording studio.

0:08:37 > 0:08:40I was erasing tapes down there, doing some kind of busy work,

0:08:40 > 0:08:44and John appeared down there in the basement.

0:08:44 > 0:08:47He said, "I understand you are not coming to the session."

0:08:47 > 0:08:49I said, "No, I've got a lot of work to do down here, I can't."

0:08:49 > 0:08:51He said, "Well, I just wanted to tell you

0:08:51 > 0:08:53"I am not going to record until you come up there."

0:08:55 > 0:09:00So I had to go up and sit on the floor.

0:09:00 > 0:09:01Here, I was the janitor, right?

0:09:01 > 0:09:05I am sitting on the floor, and this woman - who tried to get me fired -

0:09:05 > 0:09:07was watching me the whole session.

0:09:07 > 0:09:10It was the most uncomfortable I have ever been in my life,

0:09:10 > 0:09:13but I thought that was the measure of the man.

0:09:13 > 0:09:17He also recorded the first big song for me.

0:09:17 > 0:09:20The most famous recording of that song

0:09:20 > 0:09:22was live on The Johnny Cash Show.

0:09:22 > 0:09:25The television network had asked my father,

0:09:25 > 0:09:27"Please do not sing the line,

0:09:27 > 0:09:30"'I'm wishing, Lord, that I was stoned.'

0:09:30 > 0:09:33"Will you sing, 'I'm wishing, Lord, that I was home'?"

0:09:33 > 0:09:34My father went to Kris.

0:09:34 > 0:09:36Kris said, "Well, I don't know, John,

0:09:36 > 0:09:40"it's really not the same thing. Whatever you think."

0:09:40 > 0:09:42So he climbed up in the balcony,

0:09:42 > 0:09:44Kris was watching the show.

0:09:44 > 0:09:47On live television, of course, my father went ahead

0:09:47 > 0:09:51and stood out and sung, "I'm wishing, Lord, that I was stoned",

0:09:51 > 0:09:53and looked up at Kris in the balcony.

0:09:53 > 0:09:56I do believe Kris nearly fell out of the balcony.

0:10:01 > 0:10:04ALL: # On a Sunday morning sidewalk

0:10:07 > 0:10:11# I'm wishing, Lord, that I was stoned

0:10:13 > 0:10:16- JOHNNY:- # Cos there's something 'bout a Sunday... #

0:10:16 > 0:10:20Imagine, though, the hero of your life

0:10:20 > 0:10:23makes you what you are.

0:10:23 > 0:10:26Your hero turns your life around.

0:10:26 > 0:10:32ALL: # There ain't nothing short of dying

0:10:32 > 0:10:36# Half as lonesome as the sound

0:10:39 > 0:10:42# Of a sleeping city sidewalk... #

0:10:44 > 0:10:48I find it amazing today

0:10:48 > 0:10:53that the janitor had the audacity to be there in the first place,

0:10:53 > 0:10:57but that he would become my best friend.

0:10:57 > 0:11:00CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

0:11:02 > 0:11:05I guess these guys, when we did The Highwaymen,

0:11:05 > 0:11:09their solo careers weren't really hitting on all cylinders

0:11:09 > 0:11:10at the time.

0:11:10 > 0:11:13CBS records dropped Johnny Cash

0:11:13 > 0:11:18because he was not making enough money.

0:11:18 > 0:11:20Once you get to be a certain age,

0:11:20 > 0:11:23and you get to be a certain intelligence

0:11:23 > 0:11:26of how things are working,

0:11:26 > 0:11:27they don't want to deal with it.

0:11:27 > 0:11:33It is much cheaper to get some young kid who you can say,

0:11:33 > 0:11:36"Hey, you know, we'll give you 30,000

0:11:36 > 0:11:40"and alleviate you of this publishing responsibility."

0:11:40 > 0:11:42That's the kind of shit they did.

0:11:42 > 0:11:44They didn't understand John.

0:11:44 > 0:11:49It would be like dropping Dylan from your label or something, you know?

0:11:49 > 0:11:52There were certain people that are up and beyond the rules.

0:11:52 > 0:11:54There was no soul left in Nashville.

0:11:54 > 0:11:56They didn't care about Johnny Cash any more.

0:11:56 > 0:12:00It's not limited to Johnny Cash, it's also Willie and Waylon.

0:12:00 > 0:12:04To hear somebody tell me that they want...

0:12:04 > 0:12:08That they had a truck and they would back it up to the record company

0:12:08 > 0:12:12and they would take them all and dump them in...at the dump.

0:12:12 > 0:12:16That, to me, was more than I could handle.

0:12:16 > 0:12:20Some people were counting my dad as out.

0:12:20 > 0:12:24They saw that he was possibly at the end of his career, in some ways.

0:12:24 > 0:12:27But you could not count out Johnny Cash.

0:12:30 > 0:12:32# Well, a long time forgotten

0:12:32 > 0:12:34# Our dreams are just fell by the way

0:12:37 > 0:12:40# And the good life he promised

0:12:40 > 0:12:42# Ain't what she's living today

0:12:45 > 0:12:48# But she never complains of the bad times

0:12:48 > 0:12:50# Or the bad things he's done

0:12:53 > 0:12:55# She just talks about the good times they've had

0:12:55 > 0:12:58# And all the good times to come... #

0:12:58 > 0:13:02- CASH:- I met Waylon the first time in the early '60s at a club in Phoenix.

0:13:02 > 0:13:03June and I were working there.

0:13:03 > 0:13:06This was before June and I were married.

0:13:06 > 0:13:07We went out and watched him.

0:13:07 > 0:13:10Well, you know, Nashville was the only music community

0:13:10 > 0:13:12that I really knew anything about,

0:13:12 > 0:13:16so June and I encouraged Waylon to come over and move to Nashville

0:13:16 > 0:13:20and start recording and get his career going.

0:13:20 > 0:13:23Cos, you know, I wasn't half into the show

0:13:23 > 0:13:26until I knew that here was a man who had a whole lot more to offer

0:13:26 > 0:13:29to the world than 400 or 500 people

0:13:29 > 0:13:31that might come into a Phoenix nightclub.

0:13:31 > 0:13:33# He likes the nightlife

0:13:33 > 0:13:34# The bright lights

0:13:34 > 0:13:36# And his good timin' friend... #

0:13:36 > 0:13:39He asked me, "Do you think I should go to Nashville?"

0:13:39 > 0:13:42I said, "how much money are you making here?"

0:13:42 > 0:13:44I think he said, "400 a week."

0:13:44 > 0:13:46I said, "Stay here."

0:13:46 > 0:13:48# Their teardrops and laughter

0:13:48 > 0:13:51# They're passed to this world hand-in-hand

0:13:54 > 0:13:58# A good-hearted woman in love with a good-timing man... #

0:14:00 > 0:14:03He came in, looked right up front,

0:14:03 > 0:14:07he bucked against the Nashville music community

0:14:07 > 0:14:10and the way things were cut and dried.

0:14:10 > 0:14:13Country music was kind of pretty at that time.

0:14:13 > 0:14:16You had Marty Robbins singing his beautiful cowboy ballads,

0:14:16 > 0:14:19and Eddie Arnold, and Ray Price, and, you know,

0:14:19 > 0:14:22with a lot of strings backing them up.

0:14:22 > 0:14:25So Waylon was raw.

0:14:25 > 0:14:27It was a whole different movement

0:14:27 > 0:14:30from what was going on in the norm in Nashville.

0:14:30 > 0:14:34The old world of Nashville was perhaps comparable

0:14:34 > 0:14:37in a farm club kind of way, in a country kind of way,

0:14:37 > 0:14:39to the studio system in Hollywood.

0:14:39 > 0:14:43Every label had its stars, every label had manufactured stars.

0:14:43 > 0:14:45Everybody was assigned producers.

0:14:45 > 0:14:48The publishing industry was tight knit.

0:14:48 > 0:14:50It was pretty much a good-old-boy-run town.

0:14:50 > 0:14:55Things were just kind of set up that way from the foundation up.

0:14:55 > 0:14:58I mean, he had come off a marvellous job here,

0:14:58 > 0:15:03you know, running the roost, so to speak.

0:15:03 > 0:15:04It was a bust.

0:15:04 > 0:15:07John ended up moving to Nashville, and so did Waylon.

0:15:07 > 0:15:09Together.

0:15:09 > 0:15:11That was another nightmare.

0:15:11 > 0:15:17In those states, both of us were pretty well hooked on pills.

0:15:17 > 0:15:20But we can honestly say we never gave each other drugs.

0:15:20 > 0:15:22Never. We hid it. We thought we were hiding it convincingly.

0:15:22 > 0:15:24- LAUGHTER - We never did.

0:15:24 > 0:15:26See, I knew he couldn't handle it.

0:15:26 > 0:15:27So I had to protect him.

0:15:30 > 0:15:32I think he was thinking the same thing.

0:15:32 > 0:15:34You know, when you grow up in Texas, you are taught

0:15:34 > 0:15:36that you are a little bit bigger and a little bit better

0:15:36 > 0:15:38and a little bit tougher

0:15:38 > 0:15:40and a little bit smarter than anybody else.

0:15:40 > 0:15:42Willie and I were both taught that.

0:15:42 > 0:15:44Now, I don't know about Willie,

0:15:44 > 0:15:46but it was rough on me when I got out in the world

0:15:46 > 0:15:47and found out I wasn't.

0:15:53 > 0:15:59# In the twilight glow I see them

0:16:03 > 0:16:08# Blue eyes cryin' in the rain... #

0:16:08 > 0:16:11All of the highwaymen, of course, were outsiders.

0:16:11 > 0:16:13Willie Nelson sort of wrote the book on being an outsider.

0:16:13 > 0:16:19# When we kissed goodbye and parted... #

0:16:19 > 0:16:23The establishment, you know, they said, "The guy can't sing.

0:16:23 > 0:16:25"Maybe he should be a songwriter."

0:16:25 > 0:16:26He played incredible guitar.

0:16:26 > 0:16:29His main influence was this French gypsy guitar player

0:16:29 > 0:16:31named Django Reinhardt.

0:16:34 > 0:16:39# Love is like a dying ember... #

0:16:39 > 0:16:40So, he was different,

0:16:40 > 0:16:43and it might have put people out of their comfort zone

0:16:43 > 0:16:45for listening to this guy.

0:16:45 > 0:16:48NELSON: All of us, in our own way, compromised in some ways

0:16:48 > 0:16:50and tried to do it their way for a while.

0:16:52 > 0:16:56Not only was it not really that much fun, it just wasn't working.

0:16:56 > 0:16:58It just wasn't clicking.

0:16:58 > 0:17:01He got frustrated with Nashville, moved back to Texas,

0:17:01 > 0:17:04which was where he was from originally, it was his home.

0:17:04 > 0:17:06He moved to Austin, because he heard that

0:17:06 > 0:17:09there was a lot of new music coming out of Austin.

0:17:09 > 0:17:12Originally, the audiences were young University of Texas

0:17:12 > 0:17:14and young hippie...

0:17:14 > 0:17:16But then the rednecks were going, "Well, Willie Nelson is there.

0:17:16 > 0:17:19"What is going on over there?" Or, "Look at all the young girls.

0:17:19 > 0:17:22"Maybe we can meet some of them young girls

0:17:22 > 0:17:24"that are at that concert."

0:17:24 > 0:17:26Willie saw he could go into these places.

0:17:26 > 0:17:28He looked out into the audience,

0:17:28 > 0:17:31and there were cowboy hats and longhairs.

0:17:31 > 0:17:32They were getting along.

0:17:35 > 0:17:36You can't put enough emphasis

0:17:36 > 0:17:39on what Waylon and Willie were to Austin.

0:17:39 > 0:17:41Waylon said it before, you know, Willie called and said,

0:17:41 > 0:17:44"You need to come out here. I found something."

0:17:44 > 0:17:45That was the whole start of it.

0:17:45 > 0:17:49You have got to remember, 1971, '2, '3, '4, '5, in Texas,

0:17:49 > 0:17:51you could get your ass kicked and killed

0:17:51 > 0:17:56and your hair cut just by having long hair and being a hippie.

0:17:56 > 0:18:00They would flock to this place cos they were safe.

0:18:00 > 0:18:01When I first came to work,

0:18:01 > 0:18:03the band was still wearing brocade tuxedos,

0:18:03 > 0:18:05but Willie was growing his hair long

0:18:05 > 0:18:08and was wearing a long brown leather shirt

0:18:08 > 0:18:11with big billowing pirate's sleeves

0:18:11 > 0:18:15and a beard and long hair and a cowboy hat.

0:18:15 > 0:18:19I remember once, a promotion man said,

0:18:19 > 0:18:22"We love what Willie is doing, we don't want him in a tuxedo.

0:18:22 > 0:18:26"We like the clothing - the sneakers and the long hair."

0:18:26 > 0:18:29I said, "It is guaranteed that he won't go the tuxedo way."

0:18:34 > 0:18:37CHEERING AND APPLAUSE Thank you very much.

0:18:37 > 0:18:40The Outlaw movement was started by Waylon and Willie.

0:18:40 > 0:18:43More so Waylon, because he was the first one to say,

0:18:43 > 0:18:46"Hey, I'm not going to do the things the normal way."

0:18:46 > 0:18:48He said, "I'm going to do them my way."

0:18:48 > 0:18:50So, one time Willie was in town and I said,

0:18:50 > 0:18:53"Willie, come on, let's go cut an album."

0:18:53 > 0:18:56I said, "I want to cut this album. I've got it ready."

0:18:56 > 0:19:00He had a couple of songs. I said, "I want you to play guitar on it.

0:19:00 > 0:19:02"Let's have some fun with it."

0:19:02 > 0:19:06I went over and I cut the album - This Time.

0:19:06 > 0:19:08When I got through with it, I took it to the record company,

0:19:08 > 0:19:10and they said, "Well, that's wonderful.

0:19:10 > 0:19:12"Now we've got to go into the studio and cut it." I said, "No."

0:19:12 > 0:19:14I said, "That's all you've got."

0:19:14 > 0:19:17So they tried every way in the world, even trying to get them

0:19:17 > 0:19:21to allow this one to be released, and finally they released it.

0:19:21 > 0:19:23That more or less broke the system in this town,

0:19:23 > 0:19:26where the record companies own the studios.

0:19:26 > 0:19:30I think anybody that has any artistic freedom in their contracts

0:19:30 > 0:19:33in record deals today owe that to Waylon Jennings.

0:19:33 > 0:19:35Willie was just a little bit more laid back.

0:19:35 > 0:19:38He was just always grinning all the time, picking and singing,

0:19:38 > 0:19:39saying, "Let's go."

0:19:39 > 0:19:45Waylon, he was the bull trying to knock down all of the doors.

0:19:45 > 0:19:47Willie was just like, "Oh, you kicked another door in?

0:19:47 > 0:19:49"I will walk through there with you."

0:19:49 > 0:19:51Well, the Outlaw thing started selling.

0:19:51 > 0:19:53They really didn't understand that,

0:19:53 > 0:19:56because we were breaking all of the rules,

0:19:56 > 0:19:59doing it wrong, using our own bands.

0:19:59 > 0:20:01I think the first record that he did for Columbia

0:20:01 > 0:20:03was Red Headed Stranger.

0:20:03 > 0:20:05The deal was that Willie could just do what ever he wanted,

0:20:05 > 0:20:07pick the songs, pick the band -

0:20:07 > 0:20:09he picked his road band, which is never done -

0:20:09 > 0:20:11and just turned in a finished product.

0:20:11 > 0:20:13When he did, it was so sparse...

0:20:13 > 0:20:16I mean Red Headed Stranger was basically Willie and the band

0:20:16 > 0:20:19sitting around in a circle, and he was playing these new songs,

0:20:19 > 0:20:22and while we were recording it was the first time we heard the songs.

0:20:22 > 0:20:23They are pretty sparse.

0:20:23 > 0:20:25We are mainly just listening to what he was doing

0:20:25 > 0:20:27and playing very lightly on it.

0:20:27 > 0:20:30Well, when he turned it in, the guys at Columbia said,

0:20:30 > 0:20:32"You know, this is a great demo,

0:20:32 > 0:20:34"why don't you recut it or we will put some strings on it?"

0:20:34 > 0:20:37Willie said, "No, you've got to put it out like it is."

0:20:37 > 0:20:40Reluctantly, they did. It was a hit.

0:20:40 > 0:20:43I don't know how many weeks it has been on the charts, but for years.

0:20:43 > 0:20:44They broke down the system

0:20:44 > 0:20:47and gained their own control by having success.

0:20:47 > 0:20:49The Outlaws, which was Willie, Waylon,

0:20:49 > 0:20:51Tompall Glaser and Jessi Colter,

0:20:51 > 0:20:54was the first country record to go platinum.

0:20:54 > 0:20:56It broke down boundaries.

0:20:56 > 0:21:00People who used to not listen to country music because it wasn't cool

0:21:00 > 0:21:03started listening again, because it looked dangerous.

0:21:03 > 0:21:06At that time, cocaine was a really popular drug

0:21:06 > 0:21:08and everybody was doing it.

0:21:08 > 0:21:10Willie didn't like it, because he liked to relax.

0:21:10 > 0:21:13He liked to smoke pot and just relax.

0:21:13 > 0:21:17Cocaine made us all jacked up and play really fast and loud

0:21:17 > 0:21:20and not listen to each other. So, Waylon did like cocaine.

0:21:20 > 0:21:23That was kind of a part of his lifestyle.

0:21:23 > 0:21:26He would take drugs and stay up in the office and go and cut records.

0:21:26 > 0:21:28I'm not saying that he didn't ever do anything

0:21:28 > 0:21:30that didn't challenge our marriage,

0:21:30 > 0:21:34but basically he was working.

0:21:34 > 0:21:35That is what he liked.

0:21:35 > 0:21:38# Cowboys ain't easy to love

0:21:38 > 0:21:40# And they're harder to hold

0:21:43 > 0:21:49# They'd rather give you a song than diamonds or gold

0:21:52 > 0:21:56# Lonestar belt buckles and old faded Levi's... #

0:21:56 > 0:21:59The Highwaymen voices blended together great.

0:21:59 > 0:22:02A lot of the time, it was just two of them at a time singing.

0:22:02 > 0:22:03It was like duets.

0:22:03 > 0:22:08Then, on the choruses, all of them would sing together. So, it was...

0:22:08 > 0:22:10It just got bigger than life.

0:22:10 > 0:22:15ALL: # Mamas, don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys

0:22:17 > 0:22:21# Don't let 'em pick guitars and drive them old trucks

0:22:21 > 0:22:26# Let 'em be doctors and lawyers and such... #

0:22:26 > 0:22:28There is four movies right there.

0:22:28 > 0:22:30There is four folk heroes,

0:22:30 > 0:22:34there is four great lives that have been lived.

0:22:34 > 0:22:37It must have been a weary spot for any of them.

0:22:37 > 0:22:39It is a wonderful thing to be a star,

0:22:39 > 0:22:41it is a wonderful thing to be a legend,

0:22:41 > 0:22:44but at some point, you know, you are a human being, too.

0:22:44 > 0:22:47You know, when you can back up against three other oak trees

0:22:47 > 0:22:50that understand and nothing has to be discussed,

0:22:50 > 0:22:52there is bound to be peace in that.

0:22:52 > 0:22:57# Little warm puppies and children and girls of the night... #

0:22:57 > 0:22:59- Woof woof.- Woof woof.

0:23:00 > 0:23:02WILLIE: # Them that don't know him won't like him

0:23:02 > 0:23:04# And them that do

0:23:04 > 0:23:08# Sometimes won't know how to take him

0:23:08 > 0:23:09# He ain't wrong He's just different

0:23:09 > 0:23:11# But his pride won't let him

0:23:11 > 0:23:14# Do things to make you think he's right

0:23:17 > 0:23:23ALL: # Mamas, don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys... #

0:23:24 > 0:23:30These men were, you know, icons of our culture and whatever

0:23:30 > 0:23:33they may have been, you know, to the public, but they were buddies.

0:23:33 > 0:23:37They were laughing and just enjoying their time together.

0:23:37 > 0:23:40Any time I hear a live Highwaymen show,

0:23:40 > 0:23:42it is a visceral thrill for me.

0:23:42 > 0:23:45Am I dreaming this? Did it really happen?

0:23:45 > 0:23:48It is almost too much to take, I am so proud of it.

0:23:52 > 0:23:55CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

0:23:55 > 0:23:58You know, because these guys were so popular,

0:23:58 > 0:24:00the movie deals started coming in.

0:24:06 > 0:24:08I guess they did Stagecoach.

0:24:10 > 0:24:14- I didn't catch your name. - Well, his name is Doc Holliday.

0:24:16 > 0:24:19Is that right? I heard you were pretty handy with a gun.

0:24:20 > 0:24:21I am still alive.

0:24:21 > 0:24:25They wanted him to cut his hair to play Doc Holliday.

0:24:25 > 0:24:29First, I didn't want to cut Willie Nelson's hair, and secondly,

0:24:29 > 0:24:31I didn't see a need.

0:24:31 > 0:24:35When I met him, he was sitting in a chair and I said,

0:24:35 > 0:24:38"Mr Nelson, the producers and director would like me to ask

0:24:38 > 0:24:41"if you would be willing to cut your hair for this part."

0:24:41 > 0:24:44I remember him looking up at me from the chair and saying,

0:24:44 > 0:24:45"What do you think?"

0:24:45 > 0:24:49I said, "I think it is ridiculous.

0:24:49 > 0:24:51"To be perfectly honest, I don't see the need."

0:24:51 > 0:24:53He said, "Let's tell them no."

0:24:53 > 0:24:57I just saw this smart-ass twinkle.

0:24:57 > 0:25:00I went, "Yeah, OK. That's kind of cool."

0:25:00 > 0:25:02I tell everybody we marry what we need.

0:25:02 > 0:25:04Kris married lawyer and I got a make-up girl.

0:25:06 > 0:25:08When my father was a little boy,

0:25:08 > 0:25:13he would always go see the film down the road at the local theatre.

0:25:13 > 0:25:15Typically on a Friday night,

0:25:15 > 0:25:18it would more often than not be a Gene Autry film.

0:25:18 > 0:25:20Gene Autry was always my father's favourite,

0:25:20 > 0:25:22because he loved to see the singing cowboy.

0:25:22 > 0:25:24It was later on, in the 1990s,

0:25:24 > 0:25:28that he actually got to spend some time with Mr Autry.

0:25:28 > 0:25:32- How have you been, John? - I'm doing fine. I'm doing just fine.

0:25:32 > 0:25:34Just make yourself comfortable.

0:25:34 > 0:25:36I'll do my damnedest.

0:25:36 > 0:25:39Gene came to the Oceanway Studio,

0:25:39 > 0:25:44and just like the same little kids at that theatre, their eyes lit up.

0:25:44 > 0:25:46There's the cowboy.

0:25:46 > 0:25:48- Hey, Willie, sit down there. - Nice to see you.

0:25:48 > 0:25:51God, I haven't seen you in so long.

0:25:51 > 0:25:55- Excuse me.- You don't come back out here like you used to.

0:25:55 > 0:25:58No, sir, I don't come as much as I ought to.

0:25:58 > 0:26:02They were the singing cowboys. They would make their music,

0:26:02 > 0:26:05ride their horse, they'd act in films,

0:26:05 > 0:26:07they'd have their shows.

0:26:07 > 0:26:11They were real cowboy stars.

0:26:11 > 0:26:14ALL: # Whoopi-ty-aye-oh

0:26:14 > 0:26:16# Rockin' to and fro

0:26:16 > 0:26:20# Back in the saddle again

0:26:20 > 0:26:23# Whoopi-ty-aye-eh

0:26:23 > 0:26:25# I go my way

0:26:25 > 0:26:28# Back in the saddle again. #

0:26:32 > 0:26:35- GENE:- We should have recorded that.

0:26:35 > 0:26:36I think we did.

0:26:38 > 0:26:40# I'm gonna steal me

0:26:40 > 0:26:42# A silver stallion... #

0:26:43 > 0:26:46They had ideas. They wanted to play colleges.

0:26:46 > 0:26:49We played colleges. They wanted to go to Europe. We went to Europe.

0:26:49 > 0:26:52They wanted to go to Asia. We went to Asia.

0:26:52 > 0:26:55It was as if these guys had been on the road together for ever.

0:26:55 > 0:26:59It was a huge band, it was a huge production, but it was a family.

0:26:59 > 0:27:02It was so comfortable.

0:27:02 > 0:27:05It was, sort of, just every time we went out, it was a reunion.

0:27:05 > 0:27:07In the middle of airports.

0:27:07 > 0:27:09In airport lounges all over the world.

0:27:09 > 0:27:12It could have been a little complicated travelling with

0:27:12 > 0:27:1639 people, including infant children,

0:27:16 > 0:27:18but it just worked itself out.

0:27:18 > 0:27:21Willie would get down on the ground and play blocks with our kids,

0:27:21 > 0:27:26and make funny jokes and do little magic things with them.

0:27:26 > 0:27:29Waylon just love to carry our daughter around everywhere.

0:27:29 > 0:27:32My memory is that they are always on the ground with the kids,

0:27:32 > 0:27:35which is strange for men with such huge stature.

0:27:35 > 0:27:38They were just little boys grown tall.

0:27:38 > 0:27:40They wore boots.

0:27:40 > 0:27:44CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

0:27:47 > 0:27:50# Maybe I didn't love you

0:27:53 > 0:27:56# Quite as often as I could have

0:27:58 > 0:28:01# Maybe I didn't treat you

0:28:05 > 0:28:08# Quite as good as I should have

0:28:11 > 0:28:14# If I made you feel second best

0:28:17 > 0:28:20# Girl, I'm sorry I was blind

0:28:24 > 0:28:28# But you were always on my mind... #

0:28:29 > 0:28:33When Willie cut Always On My Mind, he called me the night he cut it.

0:28:33 > 0:28:36He said, "Listen to this." I heard it over the phone.

0:28:36 > 0:28:39I went, "Wow, that's a smash."

0:28:40 > 0:28:46That band was the same band that toured with Highwaymen every night.

0:28:46 > 0:28:49Chips put together a lot of material, a lot of musicians,

0:28:49 > 0:28:50he's a great producer.

0:28:50 > 0:28:55He put together the band behind us for all the records.

0:28:55 > 0:28:57We couldn't have done it without Chips.

0:28:57 > 0:29:01The way it came to pass with the musicians was that everyone

0:29:01 > 0:29:03agreed that they would bring in

0:29:03 > 0:29:06one or two musicians from their own bands

0:29:06 > 0:29:09and the rest were studio musicians -

0:29:09 > 0:29:12they were the best at what they did.

0:29:12 > 0:29:15The Highwaymen band was a big band that started with the core

0:29:15 > 0:29:17being the Memphis Boys.

0:29:17 > 0:29:20During a five-year period that we were together,

0:29:20 > 0:29:24the Memphis Boys cut 120 chart records, hit records.

0:29:24 > 0:29:28For me, personally, I went into it because Bobby was there.

0:29:28 > 0:29:31Most fun thing I have ever done.

0:29:31 > 0:29:34Reggie Young loved playing live. We all did.

0:29:34 > 0:29:37It was a family organisation, you know, we all loved each other

0:29:37 > 0:29:41so much that there was nobody that could fill in for somebody else.

0:29:45 > 0:29:53# You were always on my mind

0:29:53 > 0:29:59# You were always on

0:29:59 > 0:30:05# My mind. #

0:30:05 > 0:30:07CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

0:30:12 > 0:30:16We were at Norman, Oklahoma, at the University, near Oklahoma City,

0:30:16 > 0:30:21and we're here for a concert tonight that Willie brought together

0:30:21 > 0:30:25to aid the farmers that are kind of down and out.

0:30:25 > 0:30:28Willie is farm-made, and me and everybody

0:30:28 > 0:30:31are kind of just his helper, really.

0:30:31 > 0:30:37Willie should really get the Nobel Peace Prize for Farm Aid.

0:30:37 > 0:30:40People are becoming aware that people have to get involved.

0:30:40 > 0:30:43I don't think we can sit back and rely on our politicians

0:30:43 > 0:30:47to take care of problems that they are not taking care of.

0:30:48 > 0:30:50CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

0:31:05 > 0:31:08# I've always been crazy in trouble

0:31:08 > 0:31:10# And it's put me through

0:31:13 > 0:31:17# I've been busted for things that I didn't

0:31:17 > 0:31:19# I didn't do... #

0:31:19 > 0:31:21My father and Waylon were both open

0:31:21 > 0:31:23about their struggles with addiction.

0:31:23 > 0:31:26My father, of course, was on amphetamines in the 1960s,

0:31:26 > 0:31:28but it was later on, in the 1980s,

0:31:28 > 0:31:31that he developed an addiction to painkillers.

0:31:31 > 0:31:35He straightened up, actually, in early 1983.

0:31:35 > 0:31:39Waylon also gave up his drug of choice, which was cocaine.

0:31:39 > 0:31:42# With one foot over the line

0:31:45 > 0:31:47# Winding up somewhere

0:31:47 > 0:31:51# One step ahead or behind... #

0:31:52 > 0:31:55He had tried three times to dry out.

0:31:55 > 0:31:57He could get me up all times, days and night.

0:31:57 > 0:32:00He was dealing with the frenzy that comes

0:32:00 > 0:32:01from trying to come off a drug.

0:32:01 > 0:32:05He called me up one morning, says, "Come out here and sit with me."

0:32:05 > 0:32:07We were out watching the sun rise,

0:32:07 > 0:32:10which was never anything he wanted to do.

0:32:11 > 0:32:15But I guess that was the moment that he knew, you know?

0:32:15 > 0:32:16He had made a decision.

0:32:16 > 0:32:19Shortly after he'd tell me, because he had...

0:32:19 > 0:32:21They had coke out on the bus.

0:32:21 > 0:32:22At one point, he said,

0:32:22 > 0:32:25"Jessi, you can go throw that down the toilet."

0:32:28 > 0:32:33# Never mind I ain't found a rhyme or a reason to change

0:32:36 > 0:32:38# I've always been crazy

0:32:38 > 0:32:41# It's killing me from going insane

0:32:43 > 0:32:46They supported each other in their recovery.

0:32:46 > 0:32:50June had thrown Waylon a sobriety party at her house.

0:32:53 > 0:32:58So Johnny says, "Jessi, June has given Waylon a sobriety party.

0:32:58 > 0:33:01"Will you give me one?" I said, "Yes, Johnny."

0:33:04 > 0:33:06So they really stood behind each other

0:33:06 > 0:33:08throughout their endeavours of sobriety.

0:33:23 > 0:33:25With those four guys,

0:33:25 > 0:33:27the way they all messed with each other was amazing.

0:33:27 > 0:33:30I think Willie was up for anything. Willie just wanted to stir up shit.

0:33:30 > 0:33:33He just liked a little tension going on.

0:33:33 > 0:33:37Waylon didn't like any tension and was always paranoid about it.

0:33:37 > 0:33:41Kris was ready to stir up anything for his causes.

0:33:41 > 0:33:46Kris, at one point, had a Lebanese flag or an Iraqi flag or something.

0:33:46 > 0:33:48I don't even remember what it was.

0:33:48 > 0:33:52Johnny Cash started up with Waylon about that flag.

0:33:52 > 0:33:55John knew what buttons to push with Waylon, and Waylon would get upset.

0:33:55 > 0:33:57Then he would realise, "Well, John was just messing with me.

0:33:57 > 0:33:59"I am upset over nothing."

0:33:59 > 0:34:04See, Waylon... Waylon is going to worry about something.

0:34:04 > 0:34:07- We'll see to it.- We'll see to it.

0:34:07 > 0:34:09Really, they all stood for the same things,

0:34:09 > 0:34:11but their delivery was a little different.

0:34:11 > 0:34:14A really revealing glimpse into their life philosophies

0:34:14 > 0:34:17can be found in the way they each decorated their vocal booth.

0:34:17 > 0:34:22Johnny Cash, he draped his in black and put a big rainbow in it.

0:34:22 > 0:34:27Beneath that man-in-black persona was a sweet, optimistic guy.

0:34:27 > 0:34:30Willie... Willie put a Texas flag in there.

0:34:30 > 0:34:34Waylon went for a desert motif, but he also, in the garbage

0:34:34 > 0:34:38somewhere on one of his trips, found a velvet painting of Willie.

0:34:38 > 0:34:41He hung that in there, too.

0:34:41 > 0:34:45Kris asked me to bring a picture head of Noam Chomsky

0:34:45 > 0:34:46to hang it in my house.

0:34:46 > 0:34:48I think there is a picture of Che Guevara...

0:34:48 > 0:34:51Those were the personas they chose, in a way, you know?

0:34:51 > 0:34:54They grew into those characters.

0:34:54 > 0:34:56Listen, my name is Waylon.

0:34:56 > 0:34:58His ain't, his ain't, and his ain't.

0:34:58 > 0:35:00LAUGHTER

0:35:00 > 0:35:02That's all you need to know.

0:35:02 > 0:35:05They are not playing against each other,

0:35:05 > 0:35:09they are playing with each other, but they are still competitive,

0:35:09 > 0:35:14and so there is just a kind of swagger

0:35:14 > 0:35:17to each entertainer.

0:35:17 > 0:35:19# It's the same old tune

0:35:19 > 0:35:21# Fiddle and guitar

0:35:21 > 0:35:24# Where do we take it from here?

0:35:24 > 0:35:29# Limestone suits and new shiny cars

0:35:29 > 0:35:31# It's been the same way for years

0:35:36 > 0:35:39# Somebody told me when I first got to Nashville

0:35:39 > 0:35:43# Oh, you've finally got it made

0:35:43 > 0:35:44# Old Hank made it here

0:35:44 > 0:35:46# Now we're all sure that you will

0:35:46 > 0:35:50# But I don't think Hank done it this way

0:35:50 > 0:35:53# Did old Hank really do it this way...? #

0:35:53 > 0:35:55Each time they'd get up to do a show -

0:35:55 > 0:35:59"This is the last time, but we are going to give it hell."

0:35:59 > 0:36:00This is what great athletes do.

0:36:11 > 0:36:15Willie is the outlaw coyote, Waylon is the riverboat gambler,

0:36:15 > 0:36:19I am the Revolutionary Communist, radical,

0:36:19 > 0:36:21and John is the father of our country.

0:36:21 > 0:36:22LAUGHTER

0:36:29 > 0:36:31CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

0:36:33 > 0:36:36They were all able to have the greatest respect

0:36:36 > 0:36:38for each other as artists.

0:36:38 > 0:36:40The sum of the parts was just humongous.

0:36:40 > 0:36:43Kris, I think, being a songwriter,

0:36:43 > 0:36:46he never considered himself a singer.

0:36:46 > 0:36:47He's a songwriter.

0:36:47 > 0:36:49So to him it was like, you know, the same thing -

0:36:49 > 0:36:52"How did I get in with this bunch of singers?"

0:36:52 > 0:36:53When I first heard Bobby McGee, I said,

0:36:53 > 0:36:55"Well, why didn't I write that?"

0:36:55 > 0:36:58It has all the ingredients of the things that I like to see

0:36:58 > 0:37:01and hear in a song -

0:37:01 > 0:37:04from all about freedom and travelling,

0:37:04 > 0:37:07and even down to the red bandana,

0:37:07 > 0:37:10so naturally I related to that song a lot.

0:37:10 > 0:37:14# Busted flat in Baton Rouge

0:37:14 > 0:37:17# Headin' for the trains

0:37:17 > 0:37:20# Feelin' nearly faded as my jeans

0:37:23 > 0:37:26# Bobby thumbed a diesel down

0:37:26 > 0:37:28# Just before it rained

0:37:30 > 0:37:33# Took us all the way to New Orleans

0:37:36 > 0:37:42# I took my harpoon out of my dirty red bandana

0:37:42 > 0:37:48# I was blowin' sad while Bobby sang the blues

0:37:48 > 0:37:52# With them windshield wipers slappin' time

0:37:52 > 0:37:54# And Bobby clappin' hands

0:37:54 > 0:37:57# We finally sang up every song

0:37:57 > 0:38:00# That driver knew... #

0:38:00 > 0:38:05Kris is the best songwriter I know. And has been since he showed up.

0:38:05 > 0:38:09I don't think that I could put into words the effect that

0:38:09 > 0:38:11Kristofferson had on country music

0:38:11 > 0:38:15better than Bob Dylan's speech at MusiCares,

0:38:15 > 0:38:18where he called Kris the game-changer.

0:38:18 > 0:38:23Nashville had never seen anything like Kris when he showed up. Never.

0:38:25 > 0:38:30He probably scared the hell out of those people.

0:38:30 > 0:38:36# From the coalmines of Kentucky to the California sun... #

0:38:36 > 0:38:41I found out that I could express myself in songs,

0:38:41 > 0:38:45and that was what I was supposed to do with my life.

0:38:45 > 0:38:50The fact that I got to do it with the heroes

0:38:50 > 0:38:52would be like finding out I could go out and write poems

0:38:52 > 0:38:54with William Blake or something.

0:38:57 > 0:39:04ALL: # Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose

0:39:04 > 0:39:06# Nothing ain't worth nothing

0:39:06 > 0:39:07# But it's free

0:39:10 > 0:39:13# Feelin' good was easy, Lord

0:39:13 > 0:39:15# When Bobby sang the blues

0:39:16 > 0:39:19# And, buddy, that was good enough

0:39:19 > 0:39:23# For me and Waylon and Johnny and Willie

0:39:23 > 0:39:26ALL: # Good enough for me and Bobby McGee... #

0:39:28 > 0:39:33When were travelling with a band, we would pull off at truckstops

0:39:33 > 0:39:35periodically for the guys to get food.

0:39:35 > 0:39:38They would all get their biscuits and gravy and bacon and eggs

0:39:38 > 0:39:40and all the stuff that they love at truckstops.

0:39:40 > 0:39:41Kris would get off the bus,

0:39:41 > 0:39:43and instead of going inside the truckstops,

0:39:43 > 0:39:46he would just start running for an hour in that direction.

0:39:46 > 0:39:48Then, when the guys were all done eating,

0:39:48 > 0:39:49we would get back on the bus.

0:39:49 > 0:39:53We would go down the highway and pick him up wherever he was.

0:39:53 > 0:39:55My father maintained he did the best he could,

0:39:55 > 0:39:57but he never was one for exercise,

0:39:57 > 0:40:00whereas Willie and Kris were always exercising,

0:40:00 > 0:40:03whether it was golf or jogging or whatever,

0:40:03 > 0:40:05they were very, very physically active.

0:40:05 > 0:40:09Johnny was not the healthiest person.

0:40:09 > 0:40:12He had had some implants, some dental implants,

0:40:12 > 0:40:15and the doctor had broken his jaw putting these things in.

0:40:15 > 0:40:18He would still come out and do the show,

0:40:18 > 0:40:20but he was just not a happy camper.

0:40:20 > 0:40:27He did all that in excruciating pain and was still so gracious.

0:40:27 > 0:40:31He didn't make a big deal about it. He hid his pain well.

0:40:31 > 0:40:34The only time he said that he ever felt good

0:40:34 > 0:40:38in the course of a day or night with this problem

0:40:38 > 0:40:42was when he was on stage, when he would sublimate it.

0:40:42 > 0:40:44Just sing over the pain.

0:40:45 > 0:40:47Waylon was having a bypass surgery done.

0:40:47 > 0:40:51My father went and visited him in the hospital.

0:40:51 > 0:40:53The doctors wanted to check him out when he was there,

0:40:53 > 0:40:55because he didn't look quite right.

0:40:55 > 0:41:00It was determined that my father also had a blocked artery, too.

0:41:00 > 0:41:03So he had to have a bypass surgery also.

0:41:03 > 0:41:06So Waylon and my dad were really almost roommates once again

0:41:06 > 0:41:08because they were right down the hall from each other.

0:41:08 > 0:41:11So I'm sure there were some jokes being passed back and forth,

0:41:11 > 0:41:15some old memories that came back because there they were again,

0:41:15 > 0:41:17after all those years.

0:41:17 > 0:41:22# Look here, is that you I see?

0:41:22 > 0:41:25# You sure seem down to me... #

0:41:27 > 0:41:31Waylon, I think he was spiritual down to the bottom of his feet.

0:41:31 > 0:41:37He was able to express it to me in his music.

0:41:37 > 0:41:39Everything that came out of his throat, to me,

0:41:39 > 0:41:42sounded like it was a religious song.

0:41:42 > 0:41:47# Everyone gets crazy now and then

0:41:50 > 0:41:55# I know those empty nights get lonely... #

0:41:55 > 0:41:58My father was an ordained minister. He was a student of the Bible.

0:41:58 > 0:42:01He was able to say, "I've been to the darkness,

0:42:01 > 0:42:05"I've come out the far side and the light is my point.

0:42:05 > 0:42:07"The goodness is what I stand for."

0:42:07 > 0:42:11# I guess these troubled times get scary

0:42:11 > 0:42:15# But that's just ordinary

0:42:15 > 0:42:20# Everyone gets crazy now and then

0:42:23 > 0:42:28# And who can say they'd never stumble... #

0:42:30 > 0:42:34All four of The Highwaymen were very spiritual guys in their own sense.

0:42:35 > 0:42:39Willie was like a yogi. Very spiritual.

0:42:39 > 0:42:42Not in-your-face, he didn't try to convert anybody.

0:42:42 > 0:42:44You just kept your mouth shut and listened to Willie

0:42:44 > 0:42:48or listen to his songs - there's all kinds of lessons in life and love.

0:42:55 > 0:42:58They did a song called Everyone Goes Crazy Now And Then.

0:42:58 > 0:43:01They sang the crap out of it.

0:43:01 > 0:43:04I mean, Kris will just break your heart on it.

0:43:04 > 0:43:09# I get crazy just like you

0:43:09 > 0:43:12# Lost and lonely, too

0:43:12 > 0:43:17# Like some old flag left flying in the wind

0:43:21 > 0:43:25# Time has taught me this for sure

0:43:25 > 0:43:29# Time is the only cure... #

0:43:29 > 0:43:32It was very healing for the four guys to be together.

0:43:32 > 0:43:36They had their families on tour, so it was a win-win situation,

0:43:36 > 0:43:39even though each of them had specific...

0:43:39 > 0:43:41Had their own health problems.

0:43:41 > 0:43:46Together, as a unit, you know, it was a very helpful thing.

0:43:46 > 0:43:48- WAYLON:- You better grin, Kris, or I will hate you.

0:43:48 > 0:43:50LAUGHTER

0:43:52 > 0:43:56# Living legends are a dyin' breed and there ain't that many left

0:43:56 > 0:43:58# To tell the truth, I ain't been feeling

0:43:58 > 0:44:00# Real hot lately my damn self

0:44:00 > 0:44:02# I ain't old and I ain't bitter

0:44:02 > 0:44:05# And I ain't mad at anyone

0:44:05 > 0:44:08# So don't go taking seriously what's poked at you in fun

0:44:10 > 0:44:12# But if you have ever been to Nashville

0:44:12 > 0:44:14# Then I think you might agree

0:44:14 > 0:44:16# We've seen a lot of changes

0:44:16 > 0:44:18# Things we never thought we'd see

0:44:19 > 0:44:21# A rock and roller with a banjo

0:44:21 > 0:44:23# Now that I might recall

0:44:23 > 0:44:25# But...

0:44:25 > 0:44:27# A country singer with a briefcase

0:44:27 > 0:44:29# Beats all I ever saw. #

0:44:29 > 0:44:30LAUGHTER

0:44:30 > 0:44:33They laugh all the time.

0:44:33 > 0:44:36They laugh constantly, they crack each other up.

0:44:36 > 0:44:39They respect each other so much that they can also sit in a room

0:44:39 > 0:44:42and have a smoke and not have to say a thing.

0:44:42 > 0:44:47They communicate on a level that I don't speak that language.

0:44:47 > 0:44:50We are friends for ever, as they say.

0:44:50 > 0:44:52All right.

0:44:52 > 0:44:53- Let's play golf.- You got a deal.

0:44:53 > 0:44:55I can beat you any day of the week.

0:44:55 > 0:44:56Let's have lunch sometime.

0:44:56 > 0:44:59- You are no golf-playing son of a bitch...- No way.

0:44:59 > 0:45:04Remember... Remember the Linda Ronstadt hit...

0:45:04 > 0:45:06Blue Bayou?

0:45:06 > 0:45:08LAUGHTER

0:45:11 > 0:45:15That's the way it will be, all day long. Blew by you.

0:45:15 > 0:45:17We did four tours.

0:45:17 > 0:45:19There were some three or four years between each tour.

0:45:19 > 0:45:22Maybe after the last tour,

0:45:22 > 0:45:25I don't know if everybody's health was up to speed.

0:45:25 > 0:45:28My father and Waylon seemed to be beginning to suffer physically.

0:45:28 > 0:45:32ALL: # Like desperados waitin' for a train

0:45:34 > 0:45:39# Like desperado waitin' for a train

0:45:44 > 0:45:46# He's a drifter

0:45:46 > 0:45:49# And a driller of oil wells

0:45:51 > 0:45:53# An old-school man of the world... #

0:45:55 > 0:46:00Waylon, he was still battling diabetes. It had gotten pretty bad.

0:46:00 > 0:46:03He did have heart failure. Towards the end, he would lose his breath.

0:46:03 > 0:46:09But his attitude never, ever showed that he was willing to give up.

0:46:09 > 0:46:12We kept working. It's like... It just didn't change our life.

0:46:12 > 0:46:15That part of him was still the same. He was still a worker.

0:46:15 > 0:46:19# Like desperados waitin' for a train

0:46:21 > 0:46:25# Like desperados waitin' for a train

0:46:31 > 0:46:34- CASH:- # One day I looked up and he's pushin' 80

0:46:37 > 0:46:41# And there's brown tobacco stains all down his chin

0:46:43 > 0:46:48# To me, he's one of the heroes of this country

0:46:50 > 0:46:54# So why's he all dressed up like them old men...? #

0:46:54 > 0:46:57- KRIS:- As soon as Waylon went into intensive care,

0:46:57 > 0:46:58John went into intensive care.

0:47:00 > 0:47:02I guess I was in denial.

0:47:04 > 0:47:09I thought John went into the hospital sometimes just to rest.

0:47:14 > 0:47:16It wasn't. They really were dying.

0:47:18 > 0:47:22In 1997, my father actually retired from the road for good.

0:47:22 > 0:47:24Even though his friendship, of course,

0:47:24 > 0:47:28with Waylon, carried on, Waylon's health also began to decline.

0:47:28 > 0:47:31Waylon came out to my studio not long before he passed -

0:47:31 > 0:47:33a couple of years.

0:47:33 > 0:47:35He said he wanted to record some songs.

0:47:35 > 0:47:37He said, "I want you to finish them someday."

0:47:38 > 0:47:40So, when he passed, I was hurt,

0:47:40 > 0:47:43because Waylon was as much family to me...

0:47:43 > 0:47:46I mean, I still get emotional. I miss him every day of my life.

0:47:46 > 0:47:50I really do. He was a great man. He really was.

0:47:51 > 0:47:55# Lord, help me, Jesus

0:47:55 > 0:47:57# I've wasted... #

0:47:59 > 0:48:02When Waylon passed away,

0:48:02 > 0:48:05my father really felt like he had lost his best friend.

0:48:05 > 0:48:07Dad and Waylon always laughed together.

0:48:07 > 0:48:11Losing Waylon was in many ways like, you know, losing a brother.

0:48:11 > 0:48:16They were that close. But my dad persisted.

0:48:16 > 0:48:18He never turned loose of the music.

0:48:18 > 0:48:22He was chasing songs till the day he died.

0:48:22 > 0:48:26He may be the most spiritual person I have known,

0:48:26 > 0:48:33because he was conscious of his own mortality and his own weaknesses.

0:48:33 > 0:48:38But he used his life to raise the perception

0:48:38 > 0:48:40of other people into the infinite.

0:48:47 > 0:48:50I hope that younger musicians will look at the example

0:48:50 > 0:48:53that The Highwaymen give us and realise

0:48:53 > 0:48:56that if we stay true to what we believe,

0:48:56 > 0:48:58if we follow our dreams with our hearts,

0:48:58 > 0:49:01we can stand together a whole lot stronger.

0:49:01 > 0:49:04That is what The Highwaymen did.

0:49:04 > 0:49:10It is like being in a beautiful dream and not wanting it to end,

0:49:10 > 0:49:14and yet, when the notes of the final song hit,

0:49:14 > 0:49:17you know that it's...

0:49:17 > 0:49:20This isn't for ever.

0:49:20 > 0:49:23# Let's go to Luckenbach, Texas

0:49:23 > 0:49:27# With Waylon and Willie and the boys... #

0:49:29 > 0:49:31I think that The Highwaymen influenced

0:49:31 > 0:49:34so many other young artists...

0:49:34 > 0:49:36as to maybe follow your heart.

0:49:36 > 0:49:39The Highwaymen is like the first dream team in basketball.

0:49:39 > 0:49:43You put Cash and all those guys together and it is like...

0:49:43 > 0:49:46You can't repeat that. That's kind of the Mount Rushmore deal.

0:49:46 > 0:49:49# Out in Luckenbach, Texas

0:49:49 > 0:49:52# Ain't nobody feeling no pain... #

0:49:54 > 0:49:57Everybody has limitations on what they can do,

0:49:57 > 0:50:00how close they can get to the dreams.

0:50:00 > 0:50:04I believe that it is what we are supposed to do -

0:50:04 > 0:50:06live up to our better instincts.

0:50:08 > 0:50:10# This coat and tie are killin' me

0:50:10 > 0:50:13# And in your high society

0:50:13 > 0:50:16# You cry all day

0:50:17 > 0:50:21# We've been so busy keeping up with the Jones... #

0:50:21 > 0:50:25Their spirit lives on, and that type of constitution

0:50:25 > 0:50:27that these guys had,

0:50:27 > 0:50:33they stood for something that most people just don't have in them.

0:50:40 > 0:50:43It was four of the last great American heroes

0:50:43 > 0:50:45from the 20th century that rode into town,

0:50:45 > 0:50:50that made us love country music, that made us love American music.

0:50:50 > 0:50:54You know what? It was a victory lap, and everybody won.

0:50:54 > 0:50:55Especially us, the listener.

0:51:01 > 0:51:08For every detractor, every record company executive who ever

0:51:08 > 0:51:15sold them short or felt that they were irrelevant or over the hill,

0:51:15 > 0:51:17all of those people are out of this business.

0:51:17 > 0:51:19These guys are still in the business

0:51:19 > 0:51:22and their music is still being played.

0:51:22 > 0:51:26It will be played for hundreds of thousands of years.

0:51:26 > 0:51:27ALL: # Hank Williams pain songs

0:51:27 > 0:51:29# ..train songs

0:51:29 > 0:51:33# Blue eyes crying in the rain... #

0:51:35 > 0:51:40They are still honorary, lonesome and mean.

0:51:40 > 0:51:42LAUGHTER

0:51:49 > 0:51:50CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

0:52:05 > 0:52:09# Well, I taught the weeping willow how to cry, cry, cry

0:52:09 > 0:52:14# And I showed the clouds how to cover up a clear blue sky

0:52:14 > 0:52:16# And the tears that I cried for that woman

0:52:16 > 0:52:18# Are gonna flood you, Big River

0:52:18 > 0:52:22# Then I'm gonna sit right here until I die

0:52:23 > 0:52:28# I met her accidentally in St Paul, Minnesota

0:52:28 > 0:52:32# And it tore me up to hear her when she'd drawl that Southern drawl

0:52:32 > 0:52:37# Well, I heard my dream went back downstream cavortin' in Davenport

0:52:37 > 0:52:40# But I followed you, Big River, when you called... #