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0:00:48 > 0:00:50'The meeting was due to take place on Friday evening.

0:00:50 > 0:00:54'I was taken to a location which I believed to be the meeting place.'

0:00:54 > 0:00:59I waited that full period of time, I waited some 28 hours altogether.

0:00:59 > 0:01:01I was then taken to another place,

0:01:01 > 0:01:06and a man who described himself as a spokesman for the Army Council said that they had a precondition,

0:01:06 > 0:01:09which was that the meeting should be video-recorded.

0:01:14 > 0:01:17I regret very much that I didn't have the opportunity

0:01:17 > 0:01:23to meet them face to face and to put to them my view that they should bring their campaign to an end now.

0:01:25 > 0:01:27# And if I only could

0:01:27 > 0:01:28# I'd make a deal with God

0:01:28 > 0:01:32# And I'd get him to swap our places

0:01:32 > 0:01:34# Be running up that road

0:01:34 > 0:01:36# Be running up that hill

0:01:36 > 0:01:39# Be running up that building

0:01:41 > 0:01:48# See, if I only could, oh-oh

0:01:57 > 0:02:00# You don't want to hurt me... #

0:02:01 > 0:02:04We do not support, in any way, the ecumenical apostasy of this day,

0:02:04 > 0:02:08which seeks to destroy Bible Protestantism

0:02:08 > 0:02:11by wooing nominal Protestants back to the Church of Rome.

0:02:20 > 0:02:23I did hear somebody shouting, "Don't shoot,"

0:02:23 > 0:02:26then, "Don't shoot me," and then there was another burst of fire.

0:02:33 > 0:02:39# Pie Jesu

0:02:40 > 0:02:46# Pie Jesu

0:02:47 > 0:02:52# Pie Jesu

0:02:53 > 0:02:59# Pie Jesu... #

0:03:00 > 0:03:07It happened that only police officers were killed, men and women, Catholics and Protestants,

0:03:07 > 0:03:10but that might easily not have been so.

0:03:10 > 0:03:14There might easily have been heavy civilian casualties

0:03:14 > 0:03:19from the mortar bombs that fell outside the stations, a thoroughly indiscriminate weapon,

0:03:19 > 0:03:25and that, again, says something about the character and aims of the people who use these weapons.

0:03:30 > 0:03:36# Pie Jesu

0:03:36 > 0:03:40# Pie Jesu... #

0:03:40 > 0:03:45Our position is quite simple, and my position is that I will not condemn the IRA.

0:03:45 > 0:03:51The IRA is quite legitimate in its resistance to the British presence here,

0:03:51 > 0:03:54and that physical force, whether IRA, British Army

0:03:54 > 0:03:57or the more institutionalised violence of the state,

0:03:57 > 0:03:59is symptomatic of what's wrong in the state,

0:03:59 > 0:04:03and all of these can be stopped by dealing with the root cause of the problem.

0:04:03 > 0:04:10# Move closer

0:04:10 > 0:04:13# Move your body real close

0:04:13 > 0:04:16# Until we... #

0:04:16 > 0:04:21I have every confidence that young people won't rush out and start buying contraceptives everywhere,

0:04:21 > 0:04:25but we are, as legislators...

0:04:25 > 0:04:28we are being seen to condone a pattern of social behaviour

0:04:28 > 0:04:32that no responsible adult would say should be the norm in our society.

0:04:34 > 0:04:36# Move your body real close

0:04:36 > 0:04:39# Until we... #

0:04:39 > 0:04:44It has also rejected the vote of no confidence in young people

0:04:44 > 0:04:48implicit in the attitude of the opposition.

0:04:48 > 0:04:53It will not lead to any sudden cataclysmic outbreak of either abortion

0:04:53 > 0:04:57or venereal disease in the Republic of Ireland, that will not happen.

0:05:09 > 0:05:11He's done it!

0:05:14 > 0:05:16Dennis Taylor...

0:05:25 > 0:05:29# Welcome to your life

0:05:29 > 0:05:33# There's no turning back

0:05:33 > 0:05:38# Even while we sleep

0:05:38 > 0:05:41# We will find you... #

0:05:41 > 0:05:44The most important aspect of the smashing of Sinn Fein

0:05:44 > 0:05:47will be done in the council chambers after the election is over.

0:05:47 > 0:05:53We're not only going to smash them on polling day, but those little pieces

0:05:53 > 0:05:57that get into local government after they've been smashed

0:05:57 > 0:06:01- will be smashed again when we get them in local government. - Hear, hear! Confrontation!

0:06:04 > 0:06:07# It's my own desire

0:06:07 > 0:06:13# It's my own remorse

0:06:13 > 0:06:16# Help me to decide

0:06:17 > 0:06:21# Help me make the most of freedom

0:06:21 > 0:06:23# And our pleasure

0:06:23 > 0:06:27# Nothing ever lasts forever

0:06:27 > 0:06:33# Everybody wants to rule the world

0:06:33 > 0:06:37# There's a room where the light won't find you... #

0:06:37 > 0:06:39I've been elected by the ballot,

0:06:39 > 0:06:42so they're going to have to work with us whether they like it or not.

0:06:42 > 0:06:44We're not going away, we're here to stay.

0:06:44 > 0:06:50How Unionists are expected to sit down with Sinn Fein murderers

0:06:50 > 0:06:54when the British ministers are not prepared to meet them

0:06:54 > 0:07:00is beyond my understanding and certainly the comprehension of any rational Ulster person.

0:07:08 > 0:07:1213 years ago, I made a political statement by carrying a bomb into this building.

0:07:12 > 0:07:14I am making the same statement today.

0:07:14 > 0:07:17# I hear a lot of stories

0:07:17 > 0:07:18# I suppose they could be true

0:07:18 > 0:07:20# All about love... #

0:07:20 > 0:07:26I'm not going to listen to no IRA gibber or nothing else. We're proud to live under it, there y'are.

0:07:30 > 0:07:35Just mind your own business. I'm elected to this chamber, and I can walk out through the door.

0:07:36 > 0:07:40A motion was passed that the two members of Sinn Fein

0:07:40 > 0:07:42be allocated these two seats over here.

0:07:42 > 0:07:44Away from the main council table.

0:07:44 > 0:07:48Away from the main council table. They have their speaker and all...

0:07:48 > 0:07:50They've all the amenities, the same as any other councillor.

0:07:50 > 0:07:52But they wouldn't be part of the main council sitting over here, would they?

0:07:52 > 0:07:55No, well, they're part of the... They're in the council chamber.

0:07:55 > 0:07:57But they're not sharing it with the rest of the councillors.

0:07:57 > 0:08:01- No, well, they're not, but they're still sitting here. - And they wouldn't do that?

0:08:01 > 0:08:04They refused to do that, and that's what started the trouble here in Craigavon.

0:08:04 > 0:08:06Why should they have to sit over here when they're members of the council like everybody else?

0:08:06 > 0:08:08Why can't they sit over there?

0:08:08 > 0:08:14# So please be gentle with this heart of mine... #

0:08:41 > 0:08:43ANNOUNCER: ..Barry McGuigan!

0:08:50 > 0:08:55And a midget, an Irish midget prances about the ring as McGuigan is announced.

0:08:55 > 0:08:58CHEERING

0:08:59 > 0:09:03# It's all right you won't be sold

0:09:03 > 0:09:07# Take a chance leave everything behind you

0:09:07 > 0:09:09# Come and join me, you won't be sorry... #

0:09:10 > 0:09:11Thank you, everybody!

0:09:11 > 0:09:14There's only one man...

0:09:14 > 0:09:18CHEERING DROWNS SPEECH

0:09:18 > 0:09:22- What did you feel in that last round? - I didn't see it. My nerves went.

0:09:22 > 0:09:24I nearly fainted.

0:09:24 > 0:09:26How do you feel? How do you feel?

0:09:26 > 0:09:28I feel terrific and delighted.

0:09:28 > 0:09:30I'm delighted for all my fans over there.

0:09:30 > 0:09:32THEY SING

0:09:32 > 0:09:34We're going to have a challenge match, I'm going to play him at snooker,

0:09:34 > 0:09:37and he's going to fight me, so that should be interesting, eh?

0:09:37 > 0:09:40The only thing is we're going to play the snooker first.

0:09:42 > 0:09:44# Gimme the other gimme the other... #

0:09:48 > 0:09:50CHEERING

0:10:02 > 0:10:05Every drop of sweat, every punch that I've ever thrown,

0:10:05 > 0:10:08it's all been worth it, and I'd do it three times over.

0:10:08 > 0:10:10CHEERING

0:10:10 > 0:10:12# We know where we're going

0:10:12 > 0:10:17# But we don't know where we've been

0:10:17 > 0:10:22# And we know what we're knowing

0:10:22 > 0:10:26# But we can't say what we've seen

0:10:26 > 0:10:30# And we're not little children

0:10:30 > 0:10:35# And we know what we want... #

0:10:39 > 0:10:40Yeah.

0:10:46 > 0:10:48# We're on a road to nowhere

0:10:50 > 0:10:52# Come on inside... #

0:10:52 > 0:10:57We will not accept any re-routing, and we believe further consultations will take place,

0:10:57 > 0:11:01and, again, wisdom will be seen by those in authority to allow us,

0:11:01 > 0:11:04ordinary Christian Orangemen, to walk the Queen's highway.

0:11:04 > 0:11:07# I'm feeling OK this morning

0:11:07 > 0:11:08# And you know

0:11:11 > 0:11:15# We're on a road to paradise

0:11:15 > 0:11:18# Here we go

0:11:18 > 0:11:20# Here we go

0:11:28 > 0:11:33# We're on a ride to nowhere

0:11:33 > 0:11:35# Come on inside... #

0:11:37 > 0:11:40The violence has been minor, and one can understand why it's going on

0:11:40 > 0:11:43when one sees the frustration amongst the Protestant community.

0:11:43 > 0:11:48The vast majority of Orangemen here this morning have behaved in a very peaceful fashion.

0:11:48 > 0:11:52We've just had a church service here down at the blockade,

0:11:52 > 0:11:55and everyone behaved in a very upright and Christian manner.

0:11:55 > 0:11:59# Here is where time is on our side

0:11:59 > 0:12:01# Take you there

0:12:01 > 0:12:03# Take you there

0:12:12 > 0:12:16# We're on a road to nowhere... #

0:12:32 > 0:12:39But what I think needs to be got across is the fact that McGuinness and whoever else represents

0:12:39 > 0:12:43Sinn Fein and the IRA have access to the media, they have always had access to the media.

0:12:43 > 0:12:47The British government can't come along now and just say because it was going to be shown in London,

0:12:47 > 0:12:52because Maggie Thatcher was going to see it Number 10 Downing Street, she is now suddenly finding herself

0:12:52 > 0:12:55in opposition to it and now suddenly produces a ban,

0:12:55 > 0:12:59what amounts to a ban, in England to see this programme.

0:12:59 > 0:13:03# Hey, little sister who's the one you want

0:13:03 > 0:13:05# Hey, little sister, shotgun!

0:13:07 > 0:13:10# It's a nice day to start again

0:13:12 > 0:13:14# It's a nice day for a... #

0:13:14 > 0:13:18There's got to be something which will finish the trouble

0:13:18 > 0:13:20once and for all,

0:13:20 > 0:13:24and the only way you'll do that with the IRA is to kill them.

0:13:26 > 0:13:29# Hey, little sister what have you done

0:13:32 > 0:13:34# Hey, little sister... #

0:13:34 > 0:13:36This is the seventh time

0:13:36 > 0:13:39the courts here have rejected the evidence of alleged accomplices.

0:13:39 > 0:13:43These men say they just want to forget and pick up the pieces.

0:13:45 > 0:13:48I don't think it was his fault. He's only a young fella, you know.

0:13:48 > 0:13:51They get you in a lot of strife - you don't know what you're saying half the time.

0:13:51 > 0:13:55Budgie Allen has nothing to fear from the men that was in the dock on this false evidence.

0:13:55 > 0:13:58# Nice day for a white wedding... #

0:14:01 > 0:14:04The man who was charged with you, with the murder of John Hardy,

0:14:04 > 0:14:07was found guilty. What about that?

0:14:07 > 0:14:08Nothing to say about it.

0:14:10 > 0:14:14# The power of love is a curious thing

0:14:14 > 0:14:18# Make a one man weep, make another man sing... #

0:14:18 > 0:14:21I've reared him since he was a fortnight old on the bottle.

0:14:21 > 0:14:23Matter of fact, I've had more

0:14:23 > 0:14:27with him than I had with my own children, you know.

0:14:27 > 0:14:28But he's no problem at all.

0:14:32 > 0:14:33# Tougher than diamonds

0:14:33 > 0:14:34# Rich like cream... #

0:14:35 > 0:14:41If he did meet somebody on the road or when he's outside his complex and he went

0:14:41 > 0:14:46to go for them and I couldn't hold him, that's the day I'll have to put him back into his compound.

0:14:46 > 0:14:49At the minute he is playful, but

0:14:49 > 0:14:55as far as I have seen with him up to now, the older he gets the quieter he's getting.

0:14:55 > 0:14:57# That's the power of love... #

0:15:00 > 0:15:03People there, they like dogs, different breeds of dogs,

0:15:03 > 0:15:08some people like cats, some people like monkeys, others like birds.

0:15:08 > 0:15:11It just so happens that I like big cats.

0:15:15 > 0:15:19THEY SING

0:15:30 > 0:15:33INAUDIBLE

0:15:33 > 0:15:37# You don't have to take this crap

0:15:37 > 0:15:40# You don't have to sit back and relax

0:15:40 > 0:15:44# You can actually try changing it

0:15:44 > 0:15:47# I know we've always been taught to rely

0:15:47 > 0:15:51# Upon those in authority

0:15:51 > 0:15:54# But you'll never know until you try

0:15:54 > 0:15:57# How things just might be

0:15:57 > 0:16:02# If we came together so strongly

0:16:02 > 0:16:05# Are you gonna try to make this work

0:16:05 > 0:16:07# Or spend your days down in the dirt

0:16:07 > 0:16:10# You see things can change

0:16:10 > 0:16:12# Yes, the walls came tumbling down... #

0:16:12 > 0:16:17Once the Ulster Protestant feels that he is morally justified

0:16:17 > 0:16:20in fighting, then he will fight.

0:16:20 > 0:16:22# The walls come tumbling down

0:16:22 > 0:16:27# Yes, they do, yes, they do yes, they do, yes, they do

0:16:27 > 0:16:30# The competition is a colour TV

0:16:30 > 0:16:34# We're on still pause with a video machine... #

0:16:34 > 0:16:38And I say to all of you and I say it with the depths of sincerity,

0:16:38 > 0:16:42there will be a move as never seen before,

0:16:42 > 0:16:46unprecedented, coming together of the forces of the British Government

0:16:46 > 0:16:50and the Free State Government to try and crush the effort for freedom in this country.

0:16:50 > 0:16:55# Until you don't know where you are

0:16:55 > 0:16:59# Are you gonna get to realise... #

0:16:59 > 0:17:04Are you for the bullet or for the ballot? And at the moment the British Government evidently are for

0:17:04 > 0:17:13the bullet, because they're prepared to bow to IRA threats, violence, murder, mayhem and burning.

0:17:15 > 0:17:21# Who's gonna tell you when it's too late?

0:17:24 > 0:17:28Went up and seen this girl folded up, like if her knees were pressed

0:17:28 > 0:17:35up against her chest, just lying down facing inside the entry.

0:17:38 > 0:17:41# You can't go on... #

0:17:41 > 0:17:46Well, I think it was a pretty quick reminder for me of the brutality of

0:17:46 > 0:17:47an organisation that has to depend

0:17:47 > 0:17:52on those sort of methods to try and intimidate

0:17:52 > 0:17:54and persuade people to maintain any support for them.

0:18:01 > 0:18:08# Who's gonna pick you up when you fall?

0:18:12 > 0:18:19# Who's gonna hang it up when you call? #

0:18:21 > 0:18:29# Da da doo doo da da doo da da da da da

0:18:29 > 0:18:37# Da da doo doo da da doo da da da da da, yeah

0:18:37 > 0:18:42# No-one on earth could feel like this

0:18:42 > 0:18:47# I'm thrown and overblown with bliss

0:18:47 > 0:18:51# There must be an angel

0:18:51 > 0:18:55# Playing with my heart, yeah

0:18:55 > 0:18:59# I walk into an empty room

0:18:59 > 0:19:04# And suddenly my heart goes boom

0:19:04 > 0:19:07# It's an orchestra of angels

0:19:07 > 0:19:10# And they're playing with my heart... #

0:19:10 > 0:19:14I can't believe that she's actually here. She actually shook our hands.

0:19:14 > 0:19:19# Must be talking to an angel must be talking to an angel

0:19:19 > 0:19:22# Must be talking to an angel

0:19:22 > 0:19:27# Must be talking to an angel must be talking to an angel

0:19:27 > 0:19:30# Must be talking to an angel

0:19:32 > 0:19:36# Must be talking to an angel must be talking to an angel

0:19:36 > 0:19:38# Must be talking to an angel

0:19:40 > 0:19:45# Must be talking to an angel must be talking to an angel... #

0:19:49 > 0:19:52# Talking away

0:19:52 > 0:19:57# I don't know what to say I'll say it anyway

0:19:57 > 0:20:00# Today is another day to find you

0:20:00 > 0:20:03# Shying away

0:20:03 > 0:20:05# I'll be coming for your love again

0:20:05 > 0:20:11- # Take on me - Take on me... #

0:20:11 > 0:20:16I condemn the ill-treatment of people in prison, the misbehaviour

0:20:16 > 0:20:23of the security forces and the injustices in our legal system, like informers and supergrass trials.

0:20:24 > 0:20:30But really, it wasn't any of that that got me into problems with the bishop.

0:20:30 > 0:20:34Instead, it was my criticism of the Church and the clergy.

0:20:37 > 0:20:38I certainly

0:20:38 > 0:20:44want to pursue it, first of all to try and get the case heard, but also to establish

0:20:44 > 0:20:48a principle that the Church, as well as everybody else, should be answerable to somebody.

0:21:00 > 0:21:04Its purpose is to try to bring together and to support all of

0:21:04 > 0:21:12those people in Northern Ireland who wish to end violence and to proceed in a democratic way.

0:21:15 > 0:21:18Nationalists can now raise their heads knowing that their position is,

0:21:18 > 0:21:25and is seen to be, on an equal footing with that of members of the unionist community.

0:21:25 > 0:21:31We really enter this agreement in good faith and earnestly

0:21:31 > 0:21:36to bring that about - the Taoiseach as a nationalist and a republican,

0:21:36 > 0:21:39myself as a unionist and a loyalist.

0:21:47 > 0:21:49# The boy with the thorn in his side

0:21:49 > 0:21:52# Behind the hatred there lies

0:21:52 > 0:21:55# A murderous desire

0:21:55 > 0:21:59# For love

0:22:01 > 0:22:07# How can they looking into my eyes and still they don't believe me?

0:22:07 > 0:22:12# How can they hear me say those words... #

0:22:12 > 0:22:15There was some amount of jostling, but could I say, a number of leading DUP members

0:22:15 > 0:22:19attempted to restrain the crowd, who were quite justifiably angry about the sell-out.

0:22:19 > 0:22:21And in fact the Secretary of State, as far as I am aware, was not

0:22:21 > 0:22:25physically assaulted by anyone in the group, though there was a general fracas.

0:22:25 > 0:22:28# Believe me now... #

0:22:28 > 0:22:34Certainly at one stage, I think there was an arm wrapped around the Secretary of State's neck,

0:22:34 > 0:22:37but I think that was just from what one would expect in the general melee that developed.

0:22:43 > 0:22:49Where do the terrorists return to for sanctuary?

0:22:49 > 0:22:53To the Irish Republic.

0:22:53 > 0:23:01And yet Mrs Thatcher tells us that that republic must have

0:23:01 > 0:23:05some say in our province.

0:23:05 > 0:23:10We say never, never, never, never!

0:23:14 > 0:23:17McIlroy. Bracewell.

0:23:17 > 0:23:19Lineker's there. Lineker.

0:23:19 > 0:23:20And in comes Jennings with one hand.

0:23:22 > 0:23:26He's done it once again. Five seconds of normal time to go.

0:23:29 > 0:23:33And it's all over. No injury time and Northern Ireland have done it!

0:23:34 > 0:23:36Billy Bingham dances with joy.

0:23:36 > 0:23:37# You're sad

0:23:37 > 0:23:40# And I know I can make you happy

0:23:40 > 0:23:42# With the one thing that you never had

0:23:42 > 0:23:46# Baby, I'm your man

0:23:47 > 0:23:49# Don't you know that... #

0:23:49 > 0:23:51We wish them to consider carefully who they have

0:23:51 > 0:23:59casual sexual relationships with, because you don't know whether your partner is infected or not.

0:23:59 > 0:24:03# If you're gonna do it do it right

0:24:03 > 0:24:04# Do it with me

0:24:04 > 0:24:06We don't really talk about it.

0:24:06 > 0:24:08Sometimes you joke about it, but that's it.

0:24:08 > 0:24:11Does it worry you?

0:24:11 > 0:24:15Not really. I don't think I'm likely to catch it anyway, but...

0:24:15 > 0:24:18Everybody's saying they could catch it. Everybody's in danger.

0:24:22 > 0:24:23# Yeah, I

0:24:24 > 0:24:26# I get to know your name

0:24:29 > 0:24:31# When I

0:24:31 > 0:24:37# Could trace your private number, baby... #

0:24:37 > 0:24:39INDISTINCT

0:24:39 > 0:24:45- He thinks that Northern Ireland should be proud of this invasion.

0:24:45 > 0:24:47# You spin me right round, baby

0:24:47 > 0:24:50# Right round like a record, baby

0:24:50 > 0:24:52# Right round round round

0:24:52 > 0:24:55# You spin me right round, baby

0:24:55 > 0:24:57# Right round like a record, baby

0:24:57 > 0:24:59# Right round round round... #

0:25:08 > 0:25:11No surrender. That's the word.

0:25:11 > 0:25:13That's two words, actually!

0:25:13 > 0:25:15# And I

0:25:15 > 0:25:20# Would like to move in just a little bit closer... #

0:25:32 > 0:25:36THEY PERFORM THE HAKA

0:26:01 > 0:26:07We did the haka, which is a war dance, and it is really designed to create fear,

0:26:07 > 0:26:13and when it's performed by a great number of people, it does have that effect.

0:26:26 > 0:26:27APPLAUSE

0:26:56 > 0:26:59It's addressed to one Mr King.

0:26:59 > 0:27:05"Sir, once again to your shame you are engaged in

0:27:05 > 0:27:10"treachery against Ulster and its constitutional integrity."

0:27:31 > 0:27:34# Hoo ha hoo ha

0:27:34 > 0:27:36# Hoo ha

0:27:43 > 0:27:45# Ha

0:27:49 > 0:27:52# The animals are winding me up

0:27:54 > 0:27:56# The jungle call

0:27:56 > 0:27:58# The jungle call

0:27:58 > 0:28:02# Hoo ha hoo ha hoo ha hoo ha

0:28:02 > 0:28:07# In Xanadu did Kubla Khan a pleasure dome erect

0:28:11 > 0:28:18# Moving on keep moving on, yeah... #

0:28:18 > 0:28:20# Snow is falling, snow is falling

0:28:20 > 0:28:23# All around me, all around me

0:28:23 > 0:28:26# Children playing having fun

0:28:26 > 0:28:31# Having fun, it's the season of love and understanding

0:28:31 > 0:28:35# Merry Christmas, everyone

0:28:35 > 0:28:40# Merry Christmas, everyone

0:28:40 > 0:28:45# Merry Christmas, everyone. #

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