0:00:03 > 0:00:07I just started screaming and crying, and telling them not to shoot me.
0:00:07 > 0:00:10And so he shot the girl, he shot her in the head
0:00:10 > 0:00:17in front of me.
0:00:17 > 0:00:19The subjects were not only going on a rampage,
0:00:19 > 0:00:22but they were going to destroy the school.
0:00:22 > 0:00:27The Columbine High School massacre had a seismic impact upon America.
0:00:27 > 0:00:3013 people died and 25 others were injured,
0:00:30 > 0:00:37before the two killers turned their guns on themselves.
0:00:37 > 0:00:40I would like to take this moment once again to hammer home,
0:00:40 > 0:00:50to all the children of America, that violence is wrong.
0:00:50 > 0:00:53The actions of teenagers Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold made Columbine
0:00:53 > 0:00:57a byword for the phenomenon of school shootings,
0:00:57 > 0:01:00that terrible day often cited as an inspiration for other attacks.
0:01:00 > 0:01:04In the aftermath of the tragedy, the parents of the two killers came
0:01:04 > 0:01:05in for fierce criticism.
0:01:05 > 0:01:08People asked, how could they not have known?
0:01:08 > 0:01:11How could they have missed the signs?
0:01:11 > 0:01:14Now, after 17 years, the mother of one of the two killers
0:01:14 > 0:01:16has broken her silence.
0:01:16 > 0:01:22The guilt I feel even loving Dylan, or feeling that way about him,
0:01:22 > 0:01:33knowing what he did and how he hurt other people...
0:01:33 > 0:01:34For 17 years, Dylan Klebold's mother Sue has been trying to understand
0:01:37 > 0:01:40For 17 years, Dylan Klebold's mother Sue has been trying to understand
0:01:40 > 0:01:46what drove her son to kill.
0:01:46 > 0:01:50I felt that by sharing this story it might help somebody.
0:01:50 > 0:01:53It might give them an opportunity to view their own families,
0:01:53 > 0:01:56their own children, differently, and see things in a way that
0:01:56 > 0:02:00I was unable to see.
0:02:00 > 0:02:03What kind of child was he?
0:02:03 > 0:02:11He was a cherub, he was precocious, he was extremely bright,
0:02:11 > 0:02:15playful, loving.
0:02:15 > 0:02:16Thick, long hair, like a mane,
0:02:16 > 0:02:21and just a happy, engaged, engaging child.
0:02:21 > 0:02:25In the book you say that when Dylan was born you had a premonition that
0:02:25 > 0:02:26something awful was going to happen.
0:02:26 > 0:02:30It was the strangest thing, and I have never in my life had
0:02:30 > 0:02:31anything happen like that.
0:02:31 > 0:02:34When Dylan was an infant, he was newborn and I was in
0:02:34 > 0:02:38the hospital, and I was holding him in my arms, and I had
0:02:38 > 0:02:38a sudden feeling.
0:02:39 > 0:02:43It was - all I can think of, it was like a bird of prey had
0:02:43 > 0:02:46passed over us, and I just felt the shadow had rushed
0:02:46 > 0:02:50across my face.
0:02:50 > 0:02:53And this feeling I got was that this child will bring you sorrow,
0:02:53 > 0:02:54that something is wrong.
0:02:55 > 0:02:57And it was so bizarre, because he was a healthy,
0:02:57 > 0:02:59perfectly healthy child.
0:02:59 > 0:03:02But I do remember having that feeling, and I never thought
0:03:02 > 0:03:05about it again until, like, the day after Columbine I woke up
0:03:05 > 0:03:11and I remembered that.
0:03:11 > 0:03:14Dylan Klebold lived in this house in the sandstone foothills
0:03:14 > 0:03:18of Jefferson County for almost a decade.
0:03:18 > 0:03:21Dylan, his older brother Byron, his mother Sue and his father Tom
0:03:21 > 0:03:29were a typical suburban family.
0:03:29 > 0:03:31Sue work with disabled students in community college,
0:03:31 > 0:03:34Tom was a geophysicist.
0:03:34 > 0:03:36Both looked for good behaviour in their boys.
0:03:36 > 0:03:39Dylan and Eric met at middle school, and entered Columbine High in 1995,
0:03:39 > 0:03:44aged 14 and 15 respectively.
0:03:44 > 0:03:52Over time they became increasingly close.
0:03:53 > 0:03:55Dylan nicknamed himself Vodka, Eric was Reb, short for rebel.
0:03:55 > 0:03:58Eric Harris spent a bit of time at your house,
0:03:58 > 0:04:01but he was a friend of Dylan's for awhile, and once you even
0:04:01 > 0:04:05gave him a job reference.
0:04:05 > 0:04:06Mh-hm, I did.
0:04:06 > 0:04:07What were your impressions of him?
0:04:07 > 0:04:11My impressions of Eric for the most part was that he was a perfectly
0:04:11 > 0:04:16normal, likeable kid.
0:04:16 > 0:04:20The only time I ever saw Eric act in a way that I thought
0:04:20 > 0:04:23was inappropriate was at a football game, when they were both
0:04:23 > 0:04:25at a football game, on the football team,
0:04:25 > 0:04:26and their team lost.
0:04:26 > 0:04:29I thought, well, here is a moody kid who has just
0:04:29 > 0:04:31lost his cool, and...
0:04:31 > 0:04:39You know, it wasn't anything that struck me as being dangerous.
0:04:39 > 0:04:41But what was Dylan's relationship with him like,
0:04:41 > 0:04:42do you think?
0:04:42 > 0:04:45I felt that up until that time that they got in trouble together...
0:04:45 > 0:04:46Which was 1997.
0:04:46 > 0:04:50It was 14 months before they died, they both were involved in a theft.
0:04:50 > 0:04:58They stole something out of a parked van.
0:04:58 > 0:05:03They both got arrested, and they got into something called
0:05:03 > 0:05:04a Diversion programme.
0:05:04 > 0:05:07When that incident occurred, I determined that their influence
0:05:07 > 0:05:09on each other was not a good thing.
0:05:09 > 0:05:13My husband and I made an effort to try and keep them apart more,
0:05:13 > 0:05:15and to very closely monitor this relationship.
0:05:15 > 0:05:18And it seemed to us that Dylan had pulled back from that relationship
0:05:18 > 0:05:19a lot on his own.
0:05:19 > 0:05:22The boys escaped a criminal record by enrolling in a rehabilitation
0:05:23 > 0:05:24programme known as Diversion.
0:05:24 > 0:05:25But Dylan's behaviour towards his parents
0:05:25 > 0:05:29was becoming increasingly erratic.
0:05:29 > 0:05:31Dylan became more withdrawn, more hostile.
0:05:31 > 0:05:34But he still took part in family events, he held down a part-time
0:05:34 > 0:05:38job, he went to the school prom three days before the massacre.
0:05:38 > 0:05:41But what his parents didn't know was that Dylan Klebold had been
0:05:41 > 0:05:47suicidal for two years.
0:05:47 > 0:05:52He poured all his rage and upset into diaries and journals,
0:05:52 > 0:05:55that were only handed to the Klebolds by the police almost
0:05:55 > 0:05:56two years after the killings.
0:05:56 > 0:05:59In the Diversion paperwork, you wrote Dylan is introverted
0:05:59 > 0:06:04and has grown apart from those of his age.
0:06:04 > 0:06:07He is often sullen, his behaviour seem disrespectful to others.
0:06:07 > 0:06:09He seems intolerant of those in authority,
0:06:09 > 0:06:10and intolerant of others.
0:06:10 > 0:06:18These were some of the core issues affecting him.
0:06:18 > 0:06:21Right, and what I wanted to do when we went to Diversion,
0:06:21 > 0:06:24I was so worried about him that I wanted to put everything
0:06:24 > 0:06:28into the Diversion report that could show any kind of concerns that
0:06:28 > 0:06:31I had.
0:06:31 > 0:06:35So I tried to be extremely open, to say, yes, he gets irritable,
0:06:35 > 0:06:38and yes, he does spend time in his room, because I wanted them
0:06:38 > 0:06:42to be able to help him and help us deal with this.
0:06:42 > 0:06:45That was as bad as it got with Dylan, when I tried to say,
0:06:45 > 0:06:48what could I say that would put it all out there,
0:06:48 > 0:06:49so they could help?
0:06:50 > 0:06:52You talked about having concerns over his behaviour.
0:06:52 > 0:06:53So did you check on his room?
0:06:54 > 0:06:54Oh, yes.
0:06:54 > 0:06:57In the times that I was in and out of his room,
0:06:57 > 0:07:01it was because I was checking to see how clean it was.
0:07:01 > 0:07:04I mean, it was like, you need to change your bed,
0:07:04 > 0:07:08you know, let's get this picked up.
0:07:08 > 0:07:16I wasn't looking for anything wrong, because I didn't see it.
0:07:16 > 0:07:19Now, after he was arrested, yes, I searched his room.
0:07:19 > 0:07:21We tore his room apart, because it was like,
0:07:21 > 0:07:22what is missing?
0:07:22 > 0:07:25I believe in searching kids' rooms for their own protection.
0:07:25 > 0:07:28But over time - as I said, the arrest was 14 months before
0:07:28 > 0:07:31he died, he was a graduating senior going for college,
0:07:31 > 0:07:35and it seemed that at some point it was no longer appropriate
0:07:35 > 0:07:38to search his room, because he was going to be moving
0:07:38 > 0:07:39out and living on his own.
0:07:39 > 0:07:42Dylan was just weeks away from graduation
0:07:42 > 0:07:43when the massacre took place.
0:07:43 > 0:07:45Columbine High School is 15 miles south of Denver,
0:07:45 > 0:07:50in the shadow of the Rocky Mountains.
0:07:50 > 0:07:53On 20 April 1999, its name became infamous around the world
0:07:53 > 0:07:59when Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris calmly drove their cars,
0:07:59 > 0:08:01packed with explosives, guns and grenades, into the school's
0:08:01 > 0:08:06parking lot, and set about destroying the school.
0:08:06 > 0:08:12This wasn't a moment of madness.
0:08:12 > 0:08:19It was a cold-blooded massacre, one ten months in the planning.
0:08:19 > 0:08:23The suburban high school turned into a killing field.
0:08:23 > 0:08:26One by one, they extracted the dead and injured from the school.
0:08:27 > 0:08:31This teenager was rescued from an upstairs classroom.
0:08:31 > 0:08:35I have been a SWAT officer since 1980, and this was clearly
0:08:35 > 0:08:38the most devastating and traumatic scene that I had ever seen.
0:08:38 > 0:08:46I hope never to see it again.
0:08:46 > 0:08:49Tell me how that day began.
0:08:50 > 0:08:52It was still dark, the house was black.
0:08:52 > 0:08:55And I heard Dylan thundering down the stairs in his boots,
0:08:55 > 0:08:57because his bedroom was upstairs and ours was down.
0:08:57 > 0:09:00And I was startled, because it was too early for him
0:09:00 > 0:09:07to be up.
0:09:07 > 0:09:10And I opened my bedroom door, and I yelled, Dyl?
0:09:10 > 0:09:14And he had run past my room, down the stairs, and he was out
0:09:14 > 0:09:17the front door.
0:09:17 > 0:09:20And I couldn't see him, but all I heard him say was bye,
0:09:20 > 0:09:23and then he slammed the door and left.
0:09:23 > 0:09:24And I was very concerned.
0:09:24 > 0:09:27I woke my husband immediately, and said something is bothering him.
0:09:27 > 0:09:30Would you be home today, will you talk with him?
0:09:30 > 0:09:33My husband walked out of our home, and he said I will be home,
0:09:33 > 0:09:38I will be home all day, I will talk to him when he gets home.
0:09:38 > 0:09:38And then what happened?
0:09:39 > 0:09:42About noon, I was getting ready to go to a meeting,
0:09:42 > 0:09:44I worked for the community college system.
0:09:44 > 0:09:48And I had left my desk and came back and the message light was flashing
0:09:48 > 0:09:48on the telephone.
0:09:48 > 0:09:51And I thought, well, I better listen to this.
0:09:51 > 0:09:54I picked up the phone and listened, and it was my husband's voice,
0:09:54 > 0:09:56and he sounded horribly upset.
0:09:56 > 0:09:58His voice was cracking, he could hardly breathe.
0:09:58 > 0:10:00And he said, listen to the television.
0:10:00 > 0:10:05Something horrible is happening at school.
0:10:05 > 0:10:07It was such a day of confusion.
0:10:07 > 0:10:11We had police came to our home.
0:10:11 > 0:10:14We were asked to leave our home, we had to sit outside.
0:10:14 > 0:10:16We sat on the ground all day.
0:10:16 > 0:10:18At that stage, though, you must have thought
0:10:18 > 0:10:21that it was more likely that your son was involved
0:10:21 > 0:10:23in the shooting, as opposed to being shot.
0:10:23 > 0:10:26We could hear through the window, the television was on,
0:10:26 > 0:10:28and at one point we heard 25 people were dead.
0:10:28 > 0:10:31And I remember at that point thinking, if Dylan is really doing
0:10:32 > 0:10:33this, he must stop.
0:10:33 > 0:10:38That moment was when I really...
0:10:38 > 0:10:43I prayed for him to die.
0:10:43 > 0:10:45And I thought, something has got to stop this,
0:10:45 > 0:10:48whatever it is that is going on.
0:10:48 > 0:10:50It took me a very long time to believe, months,
0:10:50 > 0:10:53to believe that my son was actually responsible for killing
0:10:53 > 0:10:59and hurting people.
0:10:59 > 0:11:02Up until that time, I believe I was living in a really...
0:11:02 > 0:11:05An extreme state of denial, just saying, he was there,
0:11:05 > 0:11:09but he didn't really kill anybody, or he wasn't what they are saying.
0:11:09 > 0:11:10It was Eric.
0:11:10 > 0:11:12Yes, it had to be Eric.
0:11:12 > 0:11:15What his parents were unaware of was that Dylan had hidden
0:11:15 > 0:11:20a sawn-off shotgun and ammunition in his bedroom.
0:11:20 > 0:11:24Police later said that Klebold and Harris had prepared 99 home-made
0:11:24 > 0:11:28explosives for use in the attack.
0:11:28 > 0:11:32It must have been a very strange thing to compute,
0:11:33 > 0:11:37to know that between them, Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris
0:11:37 > 0:11:40were going to blow up the whole school.
0:11:40 > 0:11:43That was one of the most difficult moments of this entire process.
0:11:43 > 0:11:48I had to go through so many...
0:11:48 > 0:11:50so many phases of accepting this and accepting OK,
0:11:50 > 0:11:51they were there.
0:11:51 > 0:11:55OK, they hurt people.
0:11:55 > 0:11:56And it was purposeful.
0:11:56 > 0:11:58Yes, it was planned, it wasn't impulsiveness.
0:11:58 > 0:12:05And then at the police report to finally learn their plan had been
0:12:05 > 0:12:09to kill everyone in the school, but it failed.
0:12:09 > 0:12:12When I thought of that and thought of the magnitude,
0:12:12 > 0:12:16I really didn't think I was going to live through it.
0:12:16 > 0:12:18In the book, you describe him as withdrawn and monosyllabic
0:12:18 > 0:12:24sometimes, and took failure hard, and I wonder, do you feel
0:12:24 > 0:12:26there were certain signs you missed?
0:12:26 > 0:12:30I think there were.
0:12:30 > 0:12:33In particular, the fact that in his junior year,
0:12:33 > 0:12:34several things happened to him.
0:12:34 > 0:12:38We had all those issues in a row.
0:12:39 > 0:12:42He got arrested, he got in trouble at school,
0:12:42 > 0:12:46he had scratched a locker at school.
0:12:46 > 0:12:49I did not recognise that those things meant that there
0:12:49 > 0:12:52was a potential life-and-death situation.
0:12:52 > 0:12:59I did not recognise these were possible signs
0:12:59 > 0:13:01of a mental condition.
0:13:01 > 0:13:06According to FBI records, there have been 50 mass murders
0:13:06 > 0:13:09or attempted mass murders at schools in America since Columbine.
0:13:09 > 0:13:13Sue Klebold made one stipulation before our interview -
0:13:13 > 0:13:17that we would not show the CCTV pictures of Dylan and Eric
0:13:17 > 0:13:20in the school during the massacre...
0:13:20 > 0:13:26for fear of copycat attacks.
0:13:26 > 0:13:29You were asked to go to the Sheriff's Office six months
0:13:29 > 0:13:31after the massacre to be shown videos.
0:13:31 > 0:13:34Tell me about that.
0:13:34 > 0:13:37It was a collection of the two of them talking
0:13:37 > 0:13:39about what they were going to do and being horribly
0:13:39 > 0:13:42violent and hateful.
0:13:42 > 0:13:45I remember when I saw that, I stood up and thought
0:13:45 > 0:13:47I was going to be ill.
0:13:47 > 0:13:49It was such a shock.
0:13:49 > 0:13:54The person I was seeing on that film was not anybody I could recognise.
0:13:54 > 0:13:56It was not Dylan.
0:13:57 > 0:14:00But at that point, did you have to face up to the fact
0:14:00 > 0:14:03that he was equally responsible for Columbine?
0:14:03 > 0:14:05That's correct.
0:14:05 > 0:14:08That was the moment, that was the day which I learned
0:14:08 > 0:14:13he was not an innocent bystander who happened to get involved.
0:14:13 > 0:14:15This was not an impulsive act.
0:14:15 > 0:14:19He prepared for this for a long period of time,
0:14:19 > 0:14:22and he was equally involved in killing people and saying
0:14:22 > 0:14:30horrible things to people before they died.
0:14:30 > 0:14:35In the aftermath of the massacre, you had support from friends
0:14:35 > 0:14:37and co-workers, but you also had a substantial firestorm
0:14:37 > 0:14:38coming at you.
0:14:38 > 0:14:39What sort of things happened?
0:14:39 > 0:14:43I remember being in a grocery store and paying with a cheque,
0:14:43 > 0:14:50and the checker recognised my name and asked if I knew him,
0:14:50 > 0:14:52and I said, "Yes, he was my son".
0:14:52 > 0:14:56And she started in a very loud voice saying this was the work of Satan,
0:14:56 > 0:15:00and just shouting at me.
0:15:00 > 0:15:03I was trying to bag my groceries and get out.
0:15:03 > 0:15:06I would turn on the radio and hear myself being discussed
0:15:06 > 0:15:07and called disgusting.
0:15:07 > 0:15:11So these were just things that happened, and it created a feeling
0:15:11 > 0:15:14of being watched and judged.
0:15:14 > 0:15:19This instant decision about what had happened by people who didn't know.
0:15:20 > 0:15:22People want to believe it's something as simple
0:15:22 > 0:15:23as bad parenting.
0:15:23 > 0:15:27Because that is a comforting thought.
0:15:27 > 0:15:33Nobody wants to believe this could happen to us.
0:15:33 > 0:15:39And I think it made people feel safer to believe
0:15:39 > 0:15:43that we were all of the things they wished we were,
0:15:43 > 0:15:46or perceived us to be, or imprinted on us.
0:15:46 > 0:15:49Because then they would feel, "This could not happen to me,
0:15:50 > 0:15:51because I'm not like that".
0:15:51 > 0:15:53You also wrote to the victims' families.
0:15:53 > 0:15:54I did do that, yes.
0:15:54 > 0:15:57One father did write back to us about a year later,
0:15:57 > 0:16:00which I was extremely grateful for, and wanted to meet us.
0:16:00 > 0:16:03It was profoundly comforting to me and meant so much to me.
0:16:03 > 0:16:08I received a letter from the sister of one of the girls
0:16:08 > 0:16:11who had been shot.
0:16:11 > 0:16:15And then one of the mothers of one of the girls who had been killed
0:16:15 > 0:16:17also reached out and wanted to meet with me.
0:16:17 > 0:16:24And those things meant so much to me.
0:16:24 > 0:16:28I could not even begin to explain how it felt so wonderful to have
0:16:28 > 0:16:37them be gracious enough and brave enough to do that.
0:16:37 > 0:16:40Sue Klebold now believes that Dylan's suicidal years
0:16:40 > 0:16:44were a significant factor in the Columbine massacre.
0:16:44 > 0:16:48Since 1999, she has become increasingly involved in the issue
0:16:48 > 0:16:50of suicide prevention.
0:16:50 > 0:16:53She's written a book about the Columbine tragedy,
0:16:53 > 0:16:58A Mother's Reckoning, donating profits to mental health charities.
0:16:58 > 0:17:05You say in the book, "I should listen more
0:17:05 > 0:17:08and lecture less".
0:17:08 > 0:17:12In all the years since I lost Dylan, I wish I had just said,
0:17:12 > 0:17:13"You feel that way.
0:17:13 > 0:17:18Tell me some more about how you feel."
0:17:18 > 0:17:22I think I had a tendency to lecture, tell him what to do,
0:17:22 > 0:17:24or to do what parents do.
0:17:24 > 0:17:27And I just wished that I had talked much less.
0:17:27 > 0:17:31You wrote in the book it would have been better for the world if Dylan
0:17:31 > 0:17:37had not been born, but it would not have been better for you.
0:17:37 > 0:17:41The guilt I feel at even loving Dylan, or feeling that way
0:17:41 > 0:17:45about him, knowing what he did and how he hurt other people,
0:17:45 > 0:17:49but Dylan was my son.
0:17:49 > 0:17:55And knowing him did enrich my life, and I loved him, and he brought joy
0:17:55 > 0:18:00to me when he was alive.
0:18:00 > 0:18:03And since his death, I have found meaning in life
0:18:04 > 0:18:08by trying to find answers to understand why this happened
0:18:08 > 0:18:15and how this terrible thing came about.
0:18:15 > 0:18:23What do you wish you had said to Dylan that morning when he ran
0:18:23 > 0:18:26out of the house?
0:18:26 > 0:18:31I think I wish I had just tackled him.
0:18:31 > 0:18:33And just said, "Sit down, you're not going anywhere.
0:18:33 > 0:18:34We're going to talk."
0:18:34 > 0:18:37I read somewhere you had worn a piece of his clothing,
0:18:37 > 0:18:40you held onto things.
0:18:40 > 0:18:42Yes, I did wear his clothes for a long time.
0:18:42 > 0:18:45My husband and I both did.
0:18:45 > 0:18:48It's just a feeling of wanting him a little bit closer.
0:18:48 > 0:18:56In the aftermath of all this, your very strong and long
0:18:56 > 0:18:58marriage didn't survive.
0:18:58 > 0:19:01I wonder why you decided to go your separate ways.
0:19:01 > 0:19:03You said, "For the sake of our friendship".
0:19:03 > 0:19:05Right.
0:19:06 > 0:19:10When this tragedy happened, it was like a lightning bolt
0:19:10 > 0:19:12hitting a tree.
0:19:12 > 0:19:16It just sort of split whatever the marriage was.
0:19:16 > 0:19:19We responded to the tragedy differently, and what we felt our
0:19:19 > 0:19:25life calling was in relation to this.
0:19:25 > 0:19:29It was like being on a ice floe that just got smaller and smaller,
0:19:29 > 0:19:44and there was no common ground.
0:19:44 > 0:19:47The tragedy, which was at the time the worst school shooting
0:19:47 > 0:19:50in American history, cast a long shadow.
0:19:50 > 0:19:53Families were shattered, sons and daughters dead.
0:19:53 > 0:19:57One teacher murdered as he tried to protect students.
0:19:57 > 0:19:59And those shot that day and survived, some are living
0:19:59 > 0:20:04with the most horrific wounds.
0:20:04 > 0:20:06Have you been to the memorial?
0:20:06 > 0:20:08I have.
0:20:08 > 0:20:11What happened when you went there?
0:20:11 > 0:20:15I have gone quite a few times.
0:20:15 > 0:20:23And what I do is I sit there, and in my head I talk to the kids.
0:20:23 > 0:20:25And to the teacher who was there.
0:20:25 > 0:20:30Without the rest of the world, without parents, lawyers, community.
0:20:30 > 0:20:37I just want them to know that I'm thinking of them...
0:20:41 > 0:20:48And I will always think of them.
0:20:48 > 0:20:50Do you want to take a moment?
0:20:50 > 0:20:51I'm OK.
0:20:51 > 0:20:54OK.
0:20:54 > 0:20:59You talk a lot in the book about faith.
0:20:59 > 0:21:06Do you still believe in God?
0:21:06 > 0:21:09Not in the same way that I did before.
0:21:09 > 0:21:12I wonder if you had religion before in a different way,
0:21:12 > 0:21:16or whether you believe there is an afterlife?
0:21:16 > 0:21:19I don't know.
0:21:19 > 0:21:21I go back and forth on that.
0:21:21 > 0:21:23If there is, you will see Dylan again.
0:21:23 > 0:21:24That's really what I'm asking.
0:21:25 > 0:21:28That is the one thing I have hoped for, again and again,
0:21:28 > 0:21:31that at some moment, either in this present life
0:21:31 > 0:21:36or in the transition or in the afterlife,
0:21:36 > 0:21:38that I must see him again.
0:21:38 > 0:21:45I'm hoping that I will see him again.
0:21:45 > 0:21:51If you believe in good and evil, you might be in a different place.
0:21:51 > 0:21:52I know, I know.
0:21:52 > 0:21:53I know.
0:21:53 > 0:21:58A lot of people will read this book and read it in a lot of different
0:21:58 > 0:22:00ways, because it will mean a lot to different groups.
0:22:00 > 0:22:04It will mean a lot to the victims' families, to the survivors,
0:22:04 > 0:22:08some of whom are still, two, in a wheelchair.
0:22:08 > 0:22:10What would you say to them?
0:22:10 > 0:22:16What do you say to them now?
0:22:16 > 0:22:23I have this feeling of wanting to say over and over again,
0:22:23 > 0:22:26"I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry".
0:22:26 > 0:22:30And I know that such a thing is so completely inadequate,
0:22:30 > 0:22:37but I don't know what else to say besides I'm sorry.
0:22:37 > 0:22:41I'm just so sorry for what Dylan did, and I wouldn't even know
0:22:41 > 0:22:50what else to say.
0:23:13 > 0:23:16Not as much fog around England and Wales as Friday begins
0:23:16 > 0:23:19but still the potential for some dense patches.
0:23:19 > 0:23:22Do not drop your guard just yet.