0:00:00 > 0:00:03Some viewers may find these images upsetting.
0:00:07 > 0:00:0916-year-old Jonah is about to have electroconvulsive therapy, ECT,
0:00:09 > 0:00:14today, in America.
0:00:14 > 0:00:18We are doing bilateral electro placement at 20%.
0:00:19 > 0:00:22Our cameras have been invited for the first time to film this
0:00:22 > 0:00:28controversial treatment on a child.
0:00:28 > 0:00:30Modern ECT is a very simple, quick, safe procedure.
0:00:30 > 0:00:36Some call for a total ban on ECT for children.
0:00:36 > 0:00:39It's traumatic brain injury, very much like somebody who's just
0:00:39 > 0:00:46endured a severe concussion.
0:00:46 > 0:00:48But Jonah's mother, Amy, is campaigning to allow
0:00:48 > 0:00:50more children like him to have the procedure.
0:00:50 > 0:00:54There is no doubt that ECT is the only reason that Jonah has
0:00:54 > 0:00:56any quality of life whatsoever.
0:00:56 > 0:00:59Jonah is autistic, and before the treatment, he used to
0:00:59 > 0:01:04lash out and punch himself.
0:01:04 > 0:01:06Her nose is busted and she was bleeding.
0:01:07 > 0:01:10She was constantly punching herself.
0:01:10 > 0:01:14I was convinced that our love would heal her.
0:01:14 > 0:01:17ECT is ready used in these cases, but some families feel
0:01:17 > 0:01:21it is their only option.
0:01:21 > 0:01:24I have to have hope that it will be a miracle for Sofija
0:01:24 > 0:01:27because we need a miracle.
0:01:34 > 0:01:37So those were the first pictures we ever got of her.
0:01:37 > 0:01:39So this was Sofija in the orphanage?
0:01:39 > 0:01:46Yes, she was probably two years old in those.
0:01:51 > 0:01:58Hold on!
0:01:58 > 0:02:01In 2009, US Army intelligence officer Chad Calvaresi and his wife
0:02:01 > 0:02:06Kaci travelled to Serbia to adopt five-year-old Sofija.
0:02:06 > 0:02:09Sofija had spent much of her short life suffering neglect and abuse
0:02:09 > 0:02:10in Serbian orphanages.
0:02:10 > 0:02:15And she was autistic.
0:02:15 > 0:02:17Hold on, hold on!
0:02:17 > 0:02:19Sofija is one of the most charming little girls.
0:02:19 > 0:02:24We fell in love with her.
0:02:24 > 0:02:29Chad and Kaci already had three children.
0:02:29 > 0:02:32Their youngest, nine-year-old Seth, was also autistic.
0:02:33 > 0:02:35They wanted to use their experience to help a child unlikely
0:02:36 > 0:02:41to find adoptive parents.
0:02:41 > 0:02:45The first day we were with her she hit us all and bit us
0:02:45 > 0:02:49all and pulled my hair and punched our youngest son.
0:02:49 > 0:02:51Determined to give Sofija a better life,
0:02:51 > 0:02:54they brought her back to America.
0:02:54 > 0:02:56That first Christmas she was writing and reading,
0:02:56 > 0:02:57it was just amazing.
0:02:57 > 0:03:05Jesus loves me, Nessa loves...
0:03:05 > 0:03:11We had great hope.
0:03:11 > 0:03:17I'm gonna try not to cry...
0:03:17 > 0:03:21We had great hope and we kept saying, I can't wait to see
0:03:21 > 0:03:24where she will be in five years, because at that point,
0:03:24 > 0:03:26I was convinced that our love would heal her.
0:03:26 > 0:03:29But over the next few years, Sofija became increasingly
0:03:29 > 0:03:31violent and uncontrollable.
0:03:31 > 0:03:35The fall of 2013, she had an incident on a school bus
0:03:35 > 0:03:38where she agressed towards another student on the bus and got out
0:03:38 > 0:03:42of her seat and jumped on the bus driver, and within a week or two
0:03:42 > 0:03:49we were seeing it at home.
0:03:49 > 0:03:53It just increased and increased and increased, to the point
0:03:53 > 0:04:01that we weren't even sure how to keep her safe.
0:04:01 > 0:04:03It was the worst case scenario.
0:04:03 > 0:04:05We had to bring her to the ER twice.
0:04:05 > 0:04:11Oh, my gosh.
0:04:11 > 0:04:15The last time, where she had beat herself so bad,
0:04:15 > 0:04:17so her nose was busted and bleeding, her lips
0:04:17 > 0:04:23were busted open and bleeding, she gave herself black eyes
0:04:23 > 0:04:26and then this is her cleaned up all the blood.
0:04:26 > 0:04:29But she had blood all over her face.
0:04:29 > 0:04:32It is estimated one in ten autistic children seriously self harm.
0:04:32 > 0:04:33No one really knows why.
0:04:33 > 0:04:36Some theories link it to anxiety, caused by an overload
0:04:36 > 0:04:37of sensory signals.
0:04:37 > 0:04:38Others to frustration.
0:04:38 > 0:04:46Autistic children can struggle to communicate.
0:04:46 > 0:04:49Behavioural disturbances is very common in children with autism,
0:04:49 > 0:04:55and oftentimes is readily amendable to treatments, but sometimes
0:04:55 > 0:04:57behaviours just can't be easily curtailed and sometimes become quite
0:04:57 > 0:04:58dangerous to the child.
0:04:58 > 0:05:01Is she aware that she is doing this to herself?
0:05:01 > 0:05:06She is.
0:05:06 > 0:05:12It's like she is caught in the fight or flight mode.
0:05:12 > 0:05:14So she's fighting, but she is fighting herself.
0:05:14 > 0:05:18Afterwards, she is dealing with pain from the injury she caused herself,
0:05:18 > 0:05:21but she's also dealing with the sadness because you can
0:05:21 > 0:05:24tell she realises that she lost control and she is upset
0:05:24 > 0:05:25that she hurt herself.
0:05:25 > 0:05:28When she was aggressive towards me, my instinct was, as a mum,
0:05:28 > 0:05:32I just wanted to grab her and hold her and hug her and wait.
0:05:32 > 0:05:36And she got so big and strong that I couldn't do that.
0:05:36 > 0:05:39In early 2016, for her own safety, Sofija had to leave home and go
0:05:39 > 0:05:42to a secure unit at the renowned Kennedy Krieger Institute
0:05:42 > 0:05:46for brain disorders.
0:05:46 > 0:05:49It often took three highly trained care staff,
0:05:49 > 0:05:50using special techniques, to prevent Sofija injuring
0:05:51 > 0:05:58herself and others.
0:05:58 > 0:06:04We've tried years of behavioural therapy, years of medication
0:06:04 > 0:06:07and we have proven time and time again that,
0:06:07 > 0:06:13for Sofija, these don't really work.
0:06:13 > 0:06:18So, you know, like every other mum dealing with any problem
0:06:18 > 0:06:22with their kids, I went to Google and said -
0:06:22 > 0:06:24right, Dr Google, autism self injury treatment.
0:06:24 > 0:06:26And I started finding some articles on ECT.
0:06:26 > 0:06:29Kaci came across author and campaigner Amy Lutz,
0:06:29 > 0:06:39whose own violently autistic son Jonah has had ECT for five years.
0:06:39 > 0:06:4314 is always blue, 13's always green.
0:06:43 > 0:06:49Well, ECT has been transformative for Jonah's life and our life.
0:06:49 > 0:06:53We went for a period of time, for years and years,
0:06:53 > 0:06:55where Jonah was raging often multiple times a day.
0:06:55 > 0:07:01Ferociously.
0:07:01 > 0:07:05And the only reason he is able to be at home, that he is able to be
0:07:06 > 0:07:09with us here in Atlantic City, he is only able to do that
0:07:09 > 0:07:10because of ECG.
0:07:10 > 0:07:13Amy runs a charity offering advice to parents in a similar position.
0:07:13 > 0:07:15And Kaci has arranged to meet her.
0:07:15 > 0:07:18Nothing else that we've tried has given her enough
0:07:18 > 0:07:24improvement to keep her safe, so how can we not take that chance?
0:07:24 > 0:07:27Right, I think that's why for us ECT was not a hard decision.
0:07:28 > 0:07:30So many people asked us about when we sent Jonah
0:07:30 > 0:07:35to Kennedy Krieger when he was nine, and when we ended up
0:07:35 > 0:07:43getting ECT later, wasn't that such a hard, hard decision,
0:07:43 > 0:07:46and for me, it was, no, it was the only decision.
0:07:46 > 0:07:48We went into it very enthusiastically because it provided
0:07:48 > 0:07:51some hope that we would be able to provide something
0:07:51 > 0:07:54which might actually work, after all these failed attempts.
0:07:54 > 0:07:55Many are far less enthusiastic.
0:07:55 > 0:07:58This hard-hitting campaign video is made by the Citizens Commission
0:07:58 > 0:08:01on Human Rights, a group founded by the Church of Scientology,
0:08:01 > 0:08:05who oppose most psychiatric treatment.
0:08:05 > 0:08:09Some human rights organisations call for a total ban,
0:08:09 > 0:08:18especially for children.
0:08:18 > 0:08:21Leading the fight against ECT is Dr Peter Breggin,
0:08:21 > 0:08:24who has long campaigned against the psychiatric establishment.
0:08:24 > 0:08:26After seeing for myself the desperation of Sofija's
0:08:26 > 0:08:29situation, I want to know why he thinks ECT should
0:08:29 > 0:08:32never be an option.
0:08:32 > 0:08:35It's traumatic brain injury, TBI.
0:08:35 > 0:08:41The electricity not only travels through the frontal lobes,
0:08:41 > 0:08:43because that's where the electrodes are, and that's the seat
0:08:43 > 0:08:47of intelligence and thoughtfulness and creativity and judgment,
0:08:47 > 0:08:52it also goes through the temporal lobes, the tip of the temporal lobes
0:08:52 > 0:08:57a little further back, and that's the seat of memory.
0:08:57 > 0:09:00So you're lasting with an electric current the seat of memory.
0:09:00 > 0:09:05You're damaging the very expression of the personality,
0:09:06 > 0:09:08the character, the individuality and even, if you believe,
0:09:08 > 0:09:10the expression of the soul.
0:09:10 > 0:09:15Jonah is heading into New York for his latest ECT session.
0:09:15 > 0:09:18He is one of just a few hundred self-injuring children
0:09:18 > 0:09:20to have the treatment since it was introduced
0:09:20 > 0:09:27a decade ago.
0:09:27 > 0:09:30With the long-term effects not known, its use on children
0:09:30 > 0:09:32is blocked in some countries and a handful
0:09:32 > 0:09:33of US states.
0:09:33 > 0:09:36But Jonah's doctor is so convinced it's effective and safe,
0:09:36 > 0:09:39for the first time he's allowing Amy and our cameras to witness it.
0:09:39 > 0:09:44I think almost all of the problem with ECT is misinformation,
0:09:44 > 0:09:49misunderstanding about what modern ECT is, and continued perpetuation
0:09:49 > 0:09:53of the sensationalist portrayals of the past.
0:09:53 > 0:09:55That's the problem.
0:09:55 > 0:10:02Nervous, Amy, about seeing ECT?
0:10:02 > 0:10:06I am, yeah, curious because I have wondered about it, but it is clearly
0:10:06 > 0:10:07not aversive to Jonah.
0:10:07 > 0:10:08He doesn't fight it?
0:10:08 > 0:10:12No, not at all.
0:10:15 > 0:10:21Jonah, are you able to lie down on the bed?
0:10:21 > 0:10:23Lie down, Jonah.
0:10:23 > 0:10:27Jonah, I'm going to start putting some of these sticky pads on you,
0:10:27 > 0:10:29if that's OK?
0:10:29 > 0:10:33I'm going to clip this to your shirt here.
0:10:33 > 0:10:38OK.
0:10:38 > 0:10:39Jonah, what's your name?
0:10:39 > 0:10:39Jonah Lutz.
0:10:40 > 0:10:43When is your birthday?
0:10:43 > 0:10:46January.
0:10:46 > 0:10:48Jonah has had around 260 ECT sessions.
0:10:48 > 0:10:51The modern treatment is carried out under general anaesthetic,
0:10:51 > 0:10:56with muscle relaxants to prevent violent convulsions.
0:10:56 > 0:10:59And we're doing bilateral electrode placement at 20%.
0:11:02 > 0:11:06Doctors admit they don't know exactly how ECT works.
0:11:06 > 0:11:11There is a lot of interesting new neuro imaging research showing
0:11:11 > 0:11:14that ECT actually reverses some of the brain problems in the major
0:11:14 > 0:11:21psychiatric illnesses.
0:11:21 > 0:11:24We don't know exactly why it works in people with autism
0:11:24 > 0:11:26and superimposed mood disorders, but we think it probably
0:11:27 > 0:11:32re-regulates the circuits in the brain that are disregulated.
0:11:32 > 0:11:35Dr Kellner will administer just under an amp of electric current
0:11:35 > 0:11:38in a series of very short pulses.
0:11:38 > 0:11:43Treating at 20%.
0:11:47 > 0:11:55The currant induces a seizure.
0:11:55 > 0:11:57ECT specialists believe this, in some way, resets
0:11:57 > 0:12:00the malfunctioning brain.
0:12:00 > 0:12:03Any thoughts, Amy, now you have seen it?
0:12:03 > 0:12:06I mean, it's not scary.
0:12:06 > 0:12:10You know, there is a little bit of movement.
0:12:10 > 0:12:13I've seen Jonah have a real grand mal seizure before
0:12:13 > 0:12:15and that's way, way scarier.
0:12:15 > 0:12:18It's kind of what I was expecting.
0:12:18 > 0:12:19The ECT alleviates Jonah's self-injuring behaviour
0:12:20 > 0:12:23for up to ten days.
0:12:24 > 0:12:27But it's not a cure.
0:12:27 > 0:12:32It's generally a very simple, safe, easy procedure like that.
0:12:32 > 0:12:40There are still medical experts that are very sceptical that ECT does
0:12:40 > 0:12:43anything particularly for children like Jonah,
0:12:43 > 0:12:45and that think it's cruel as well.
0:12:45 > 0:12:48I think those are uneducated criticisms and the way to counter
0:12:48 > 0:12:52them is to show people what modern ECT is really like and show
0:12:52 > 0:12:55them the results with patients like Jonah.
0:12:55 > 0:12:56What about long-term?
0:12:56 > 0:13:00Some doctors say there can be memory loss.
0:13:00 > 0:13:03Well, we know about long-term effects because there are patients
0:13:03 > 0:13:07with more typical indications for ECT who have
0:13:07 > 0:13:10been getting maintenance ECT for many years,
0:13:10 > 0:13:13some for decades, and there really are no cumulative adverse effects
0:13:13 > 0:13:16for the treatment, so it seems to be very safe,
0:13:16 > 0:13:18even to continue it for long periods.
0:13:18 > 0:13:21Worldwide, about a million people have ECT each year.
0:13:21 > 0:13:24Most for severe, often life-threatening depression.
0:13:24 > 0:13:28Around 1% are under 18.
0:13:28 > 0:13:31Memory loss is the main side effect, though the severity and even
0:13:31 > 0:13:36the definition is hotly disputed.
0:13:36 > 0:13:42Studies by ECT doctors suggest most memory lapses are very short term,
0:13:42 > 0:13:47with memory function soon returning to normal.
0:13:47 > 0:13:49Those against ECT have produced surveys showing more
0:13:49 > 0:13:58than half of patients suffer long-term memory loss.
0:13:58 > 0:14:02My life has lots of black holes, which represent memories restored...
0:14:02 > 0:14:04I don't remember my wedding day, I don't remember my husband
0:14:04 > 0:14:06putting a ring on my finger.
0:14:06 > 0:14:10When the person wakes up, they have all the signs, if they can speak,
0:14:10 > 0:14:11of traumatic brain injury.
0:14:11 > 0:14:14They may not know who they are or where they are all
0:14:14 > 0:14:18what has happened to them.
0:14:18 > 0:14:22A referee would stop a boxing match if the boxer got hit and looked
0:14:22 > 0:14:26like something coming out of ECT, because they come out concussed.
0:14:26 > 0:14:29In Baltimore, Sofija has been in the Kennedy Krieger
0:14:29 > 0:14:31neurobehavioural unit for seven months, and there has
0:14:31 > 0:14:37been little improvement.
0:14:37 > 0:14:40Parents Chad and Kaci are desperate to go ahead with ECT.
0:14:40 > 0:14:48But Dr Wachtel wants to exhaust all other options first.
0:14:48 > 0:14:51Most of our kids who come here do not need ECT and people
0:14:51 > 0:14:53are rightfully cautious when it comes to children
0:14:53 > 0:15:03and children with special needs.
0:15:03 > 0:15:06Beyond that, ECT is very much a treatment, rather than a cure.
0:15:06 > 0:15:10You get to the issue of needing ongoing ECT which can become
0:15:10 > 0:15:11inconvenient and expensive.
0:15:11 > 0:15:14If we can avoid that then we would certainly like to offer
0:15:14 > 0:15:20something that is more manageable.
0:15:20 > 0:15:24We are not allowed to film in the secure unit, so I catch up
0:15:24 > 0:15:25with Kaci after she visits Sofija.
0:15:25 > 0:15:26How was it?
0:15:26 > 0:15:27It was a rough day.
0:15:27 > 0:15:28A rough day?
0:15:28 > 0:15:32Yeah.
0:15:32 > 0:15:34When I got there, she had been...
0:15:34 > 0:15:38I did even know what triggered it, she was in a big burst of behaviour.
0:15:38 > 0:15:41It is heartbreaking and it scares me, because I want to be
0:15:41 > 0:15:42able to bring her home.
0:15:42 > 0:15:45I have cried a lot today because I don't know how
0:15:45 > 0:15:55we can bring her home.
0:15:55 > 0:15:58When I told people I was coming to America to make a film
0:15:58 > 0:16:01about children that get ECT, people are shocked.
0:16:01 > 0:16:03They say that is barbaric, that is crazy.
0:16:03 > 0:16:06I wish that people who don't understand the need for ECT
0:16:06 > 0:16:08could spend a couple of days with Sofija.
0:16:08 > 0:16:11This is where we are.
0:16:11 > 0:16:14We need ECT and I have to have hope that it will be
0:16:14 > 0:16:26a miracle for Sofija, because we need a miracle.
0:16:26 > 0:16:35A month later, Sofija's doctors give the go-ahead for ECT.
0:16:35 > 0:16:38Probably after the third or fourth treatment we started to see a marked
0:16:39 > 0:16:41improvement in her mood, and an additional 30 to 40%
0:16:41 > 0:16:43reduction, just in the sheer number of behaviours.
0:16:43 > 0:16:46And in September, having been in the unit all year,
0:16:46 > 0:16:49Sofija is allowed home to live with her family.
0:16:49 > 0:16:52Sofija has been receiving intensive ECT for six months now.
0:16:52 > 0:17:02The family have relocated to Florida.
0:17:02 > 0:17:04The last time I visited the family I couldn't go
0:17:04 > 0:17:07near Sofija for my safety, and for her safety.
0:17:07 > 0:17:25Tonight will be quite an eye-opener.
0:17:25 > 0:17:25Hello!
0:17:25 > 0:17:26Hello, fellas!
0:17:26 > 0:17:26Hi, Sofija!
0:17:26 > 0:17:29I'm Chris.
0:17:29 > 0:17:32Hi.
0:17:32 > 0:17:33Hello!
0:17:33 > 0:17:35Great to finally meet you.
0:17:35 > 0:17:37I have come a long way.
0:17:37 > 0:17:44What's his name, do you remember?
0:17:44 > 0:17:45Mr Chris.
0:17:45 > 0:17:46You remember.
0:17:46 > 0:17:47I have a good eye!
0:17:47 > 0:17:51Are you happy?
0:17:51 > 0:17:53Are you excited?
0:17:53 > 0:17:55Sofija has had 33 sessions of ECT so far.
0:17:55 > 0:18:09The family say they have seen huge improvement.
0:18:09 > 0:18:11Can I have my headphones, right now?
0:18:11 > 0:18:13Look at me, take a deep breath.
0:18:13 > 0:18:14I am excited!
0:18:14 > 0:18:16When she has behaviours, they are much shorter, less intense.
0:18:16 > 0:18:19She used to have bursts of behaviour where she was agressing
0:18:19 > 0:18:21and hurting herself for hours.
0:18:21 > 0:18:25Now it will be a matter of a few minutes and then she will calm down.
0:18:25 > 0:18:27Mother, I need you right now.
0:18:27 > 0:18:28You got me, girl.
0:18:28 > 0:18:34When I return the next morning, there is quite a surprise.
0:18:35 > 0:18:36One, two, three, four, five, six...
0:18:36 > 0:18:38Yeah, girl, you got it.
0:18:38 > 0:18:41One, two, six.
0:18:41 > 0:18:43There you go.
0:18:43 > 0:18:45Each weekday, Sofija has school lessons with
0:18:45 > 0:18:51a specially trained carer.
0:18:51 > 0:18:54My biggest concern was that she was going to lose quality of life,
0:18:54 > 0:18:57that she would have brain damage.
0:18:57 > 0:19:00Now she is back to loving doing multiplication and division.
0:19:00 > 0:19:02Who is that?
0:19:02 > 0:19:04A dog.
0:19:04 > 0:19:07Yeah.
0:19:07 > 0:19:10When she started ECT, she was doing zero academic work at all.
0:19:10 > 0:19:14Good job!
0:19:14 > 0:19:16But later that afternoon, six days after her last ECT,
0:19:16 > 0:19:27Sofija's behaviour deteriorates.
0:19:27 > 0:19:30Chad and her carer have to use approved restraint techniques
0:19:30 > 0:19:31to stop her injuring herself.
0:19:31 > 0:19:33Can I go to the beach?
0:19:33 > 0:19:34You know the answer to that.
0:19:34 > 0:19:38You said yes.
0:19:38 > 0:19:41No.
0:19:41 > 0:19:42What has sparked this?
0:19:42 > 0:19:46I couldn't tell you!
0:19:46 > 0:19:49I've taken any type of aggression, usually for one or two days prior
0:19:49 > 0:19:51to her usual schedule of ECT.
0:19:51 > 0:20:05This is usually what we see.
0:20:05 > 0:20:17Every Friday, Sofija leaves home at 6am for her weekly ECT session.
0:20:17 > 0:20:19I'm going to be...
0:20:19 > 0:20:26Safe.
0:20:26 > 0:20:28At first, Sofija's doctors were happy for us to film
0:20:29 > 0:20:31the ECT procedure today, but then there was
0:20:31 > 0:20:33a change of heart.
0:20:33 > 0:20:36The reason they have given us is they are worried
0:20:36 > 0:20:38about how the procedure comes across on camera,
0:20:38 > 0:20:41particularly with Sofija, so that is it, we can't film
0:20:41 > 0:20:42inside the hospital.
0:20:42 > 0:20:53Two hours later, Sofija is on her way home.
0:20:53 > 0:20:56We got there within 45 minutes of treatment actually happening,
0:20:56 > 0:20:59and she was sitting up in bed talking to two nurses,
0:20:59 > 0:21:01asking for Starburst Chapstick for her lips.
0:21:01 > 0:21:04The only memory loss Sofija has had from ECT is she forgets
0:21:04 > 0:21:18that the procedure happened.
0:21:18 > 0:21:18Keep going.
0:21:18 > 0:21:21Stop, stop.
0:21:21 > 0:21:30OK, you've got to look that part.
0:21:30 > 0:21:30It's pretty dramatic.
0:21:31 > 0:21:32She is sharp as a tack.
0:21:32 > 0:21:46She's absolutely sharp as attack.
0:21:46 > 0:21:48ECT for severely self injuring autistic children like Sofija
0:21:48 > 0:21:50is still in very limited use.
0:21:50 > 0:21:52And without a long-term scientific study, it remains
0:21:52 > 0:21:53highly controversial.
0:21:53 > 0:21:59Sofija, do you want to hold this?
0:21:59 > 0:22:00Now, Sofija's parents have no regrets.
0:22:00 > 0:22:02They have their daughter back home.
0:22:02 > 0:22:03She is a joy.
0:22:03 > 0:22:05She brings us joy and she loves life.
0:22:05 > 0:22:09She had zero quality of life.
0:22:09 > 0:22:11What about the thought of ECT every single week
0:22:11 > 0:22:13for the rest of her life?
0:22:13 > 0:22:16It is overwhelming if I think about it but what future does
0:22:16 > 0:22:25she have without it?
0:22:25 > 0:22:28My hope is she does not need it for the rest of her life.
0:22:28 > 0:22:32But at this point, I see it as a diabetic needing insulin.
0:22:32 > 0:22:33It keeps her alive.
0:22:33 > 0:22:34Literally, it keeps her alive.
0:22:34 > 0:22:38It makes it possible for us to be able to have her in our home living
0:22:39 > 0:22:43life with our family, and enjoying Sofija.
0:22:43 > 0:23:00I love the way she pops back in, that is great!